[00:05] <shtylman_> lex79: link?
[00:05] <shtylman_> and will qt 4.5.1 be backported?
[00:06] <lex79> https://edge.launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/ppa
[00:17] <JontheEchidna> Oooh, edge.launchpad.net got ajax goodness for setting bug privacy
[00:42] <bokey> hi guys trying to load up kwin manually on 8.10 gives me kwin: error while loading shared libraries: libkephal.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[00:42] <bokey> where is this libkephal?
[00:42] <nixternal> need to make a note to add xz-utils into the repo for karmic otherwise kdelibs won't build :)
[00:42]  * nixternal should probably get started on that
[00:43] <nixternal> let me take that back, it will build, just w/o lzma support, and we don't want to do that to people who love lzma :)
[00:44] <bokey> gotcha
[00:47] <neversfelde> doing an lzma package is difficult
[00:48] <neversfelde> do I only have to compress it and give a special debian /rules?
[00:56] <Riddell> you need to set a variable in debian/rules as I mind, that's about it
[00:56] <Riddell> or pass the relevant argument to dpkg-thing directly
[00:56] <Riddell> also pre-depend on the dpkg version with lzma support
[00:58] <JontheEchidna> you don't need to pre-depend anymore
[00:58] <JontheEchidna> soyuz dropped that requirement recently
[00:58] <neversfelde> ha, not easy. I am packaging rekonq, MOTUs will have fun with it, I hope
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> is rekonq that big?
[00:59] <neversfelde> my first package without cdbs
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> Usually we only bother with lzma if the generated packages are huge, in which case we can save a few MB of space
[01:00] <neversfelde> mhh, so small package are not allowed to use lzma
[01:00] <neversfelde> ?
[01:00] <JontheEchidna> well, it's not that they aren't allowed
[01:00] <JontheEchidna> but usually it's not worth it for small ones
[01:01] <JontheEchidna> in some cases debs can actually increase in size when using lzma
[01:01] <JontheEchidna> (usually when they are less than 1MB)
[01:01] <neversfelde> it is a practice for me
[01:02] <neversfelde> so I think I can upload a version without it
[01:02] <neversfelde> to revu
[01:03] <JontheEchidna> Oh, yeah. Practice it by all means :)
[01:03] <neversfelde> hehe
[01:05] <JontheEchidna> oh, also lzma is more cpu intensive to extract/compress
[01:06] <JontheEchidna> so while lzma is definitely useful, it's not the right choice for all situations
[01:07] <JontheEchidna> also I've found that packages that are mainly images (wallpapers, icons, etc) don't really compress better with lzma :(
[01:07] <neversfelde> mhhh, I will use it for this package and if it is not so good I will revert
[02:11]  * txwikinger is wondering where quanta-kde4 is
[02:17] <Daskreech> seele: plasma focus group was today?
[02:39] <neversfelde> nixternal: are you able to publish to the fridge?
[03:36] <ScottK> shtylman_: Qt affects a lot of packages and a lot of people beyond core KDE.  It'd take a lot of testing to convince me it was a reasonable backport.
[04:23] <shtylman_> ScottK: makes sense :)
[05:07] <bokey> where should i ask question about backports?
[05:08] <bokey> http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid-backports/konqueror has 4.2.0. can we have the 4.2.2 in it instead (that'd imply having KDE4.2.2 as well). thanks
[05:09] <bokey> (and i thought backports had bleeding edge :P)
[05:17] <ScottK> bokey: It takes someone willing to test it.
[05:17] <bokey> ScottK: what exactly is involved in testing?
[05:17] <bokey> !testing > bokey
[05:18] <bokey> :s
[05:18] <ScottK> Are you running the 4.2.0 version on Intrepid now?
[05:18] <bokey> ScottK: yes
[05:19] <ScottK> What I really need is for someone to use the kubuntu-experimental PPA to upgrade to 4.2.2 and take careful notes on any errors in the upgrade.
[05:19] <bokey> i think i can do that.
[05:20] <ScottK> These are generally going to be package conflict errors.
[05:20] <ScottK> We can fix those and then I think it'd be OK to update backports.
[05:21] <ScottK> The problem is all the devs are running Jaunty now, so no one to test for Intrepid backporting.
[05:32] <bokey> ScottK: the dl has commenced.. PPAs are a bit slower than my mirror. will take some time.
[05:32] <bokey> thanks
[05:32] <ScottK> It's past midnight here, so take careful notes and we can discuss it tomorrow or Sunday.
[05:32] <bokey> yep.
[08:28] <kb9vqf> Final KDE3 LiveCDs are now up!
[08:28]  * kb9vqf breathes a very large sigh of relief
[08:29] <daskreech> Whoot
[08:30] <kb9vqf> daskreech: If you want to help seed, I think there's going to be a huge demand tomorrow... :-)
[08:30] <Quintasan> kb9vqf: count me in also :P
[08:31] <kb9vqf> Sounds good!
[08:31] <kb9vqf>  Hopefully my Internet connection will stay up with the storms coming in tomorrow
[08:31]  * kb9vqf crosses his fingers
[08:33] <kb9vqf> The patch files are not yet available; bsdiff is still processing the ISOs (using 14GB of RAM in the process!)
[08:33] <kb9vqf> I'll have those up tomorrow
[08:34] <Quintasan> argh why those guys at Opera can't make a Qt4 build for amd64?
[08:38] <daskreech> kb9vqf: Shoot me the torrent when ready
[08:41] <kb9vqf> daskreech: http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/cdimages/kubuntu-9.04-kde3-desktop-i386.torrent
[08:41] <kb9vqf> daskreech: and http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/cdimages/kubuntu-9.04-kde3-desktop-amd64.torrent
[08:42]  * daskreech sighs
[08:42] <daskreech> KDE is so much nicer than GNome
[08:42]  * kb9vqf agrees
[08:43] <Mamarok> ditto
[08:43] <kb9vqf> FYI, several people found the torrent two minutes after I published it, so the speed isn't terrible
[08:43] <daskreech> Yeah I'm seing quite a few peers
[08:43] <kb9vqf> This is probably the highest traffic site I have ever had ;-)
[08:44] <kb9vqf> Thanks again for seeding; I do appreciate the help with bandwidth
[08:45]  * kb9vqf stumbles off to bed...2:45AM local time
[08:45] <daskreech> Same here :)
[08:45] <Quintasan> kb9vqf: night
[10:43] <Quintasan> Hmm, Will we use Shaman in Karmic if it's stable *and* usable?
[10:58] <milian> what package do I need so I can use kde-widgets inside designer?
[11:04] <milian> or where are they stored?
[11:07] <Quintasan> a|wen: hiho, got a second?
[11:07] <a|wen> hey Quintasan
[11:07] <Mamarok> Quintasan: the fglrx driver in Jaunty is not the problem, it's Xorg, read dfaure's blog on planetkde...
[11:07] <a|wen> how's it going?
[11:07] <afflux> hi there. Someone complained about kubuntu not identifying itself as kubuntu in grub's menu.lst (bug 366535). Any hints on what package I should assign it to?
[11:08] <Quintasan> Mamarok: thanks, It doesn't works anyways :P
[11:09] <a|wen> Quintasan: go ahead?
[11:09] <Quintasan> a|wen: Are we going to include Shaman as a package manager in Karmic if it's usable *and* stable? There was a small discussion but I don't know what was the result :P
[11:11] <milian> Narf why are the ___KDE___ widgets installed to /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/designer?!!!
[11:11] <milian> they belong to /usr/lib/kde4/plugins/designer
[11:11] <a|wen> Quintasan: i don't think any conclusions were made ... i think a spec for it and a UDS discussion is the right way to go; preferably with pros/cons of the different package managers and their state
[11:12] <a|wen> afflux: what does it identify itself as? ubuntu, right?
[11:12] <afflux> yep
[11:13] <Quintasan> a|wen: okay, I added it to wiki, I'm going to monitor upstream for now :)
[11:13] <afflux> a|wen: not entirely sure it's a valid bug - but somehow I remember seeing a "kubuntu" entry somewhere. Could have changed that manually though.
[11:13] <a|wen> afflux: not surprising as we use all the same packages at "that level" of the system ... it will in any case be a wishlist bug i would say; but i'm actually not sure where the grub-updater/grub gets the info from
[11:14] <afflux> a|wen: is it okay if I just remove the package info and set it to wishlist?
[11:14] <a|wen> Quintasan: okay :) ... at least we need to get a package manager that rocks a bit more as soon as possible
[11:16] <a|wen> afflux: then rather have it against grub for now until we know where it actually belongs
[11:16] <afflux> alright, thanks
[11:16] <Quintasan> w00t inital packagekit support?
[11:54] <Quintasan> ok, it' woking but it's not working as expected
[11:54] <Quintasan> s/woking/working
[15:34] <Oceanwatcher> Anyone here that can tell me about the dual monitor interface in Kubuntu? Seems some buttons are missing compared to the standard KDE 4.2.2 ...
[15:45] <a|wen> Oceanwatcher: jaunty or intrepid?
[15:48] <a|wen> milian: i take that you were talking about /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/designer/kdewidgets.so ?
[15:49] <seele> ScottK: you going to fudruckers?
[15:49] <ScottK> seele: No.  Way too much going on today.
[15:50] <ScottK> Plus last night was prom night and so I was up @ midnight to chauffeur from the prom to the after prom party and then up again to pick up at 4am.
[15:51] <Oceanwatcher> Jaunty
[15:52] <seele> ScottK: hah.. sounds like fun :P
[15:52] <a|wen> Oceanwatcher: afaik it should be the upstream tool ... with an added checkbox for ctrl-alt-backspace behaviour; what is missing?
[15:52] <ScottK> Yeah.  That's one word for it.
[15:52] <milian> a|wen: yes
[15:52] <eagles0513875> what has become of ctrl-alt-backspace in jaunty
[15:53] <ScottK> eagles0513875: Support questions in #kubuntu.
[15:53] <ScottK> eagles0513875: Alternatively I suspect Google has a lot to say on the matter.
[15:53] <Oceanwatcher> a | wen: Take a look at the screenshots in this link: http://forum.kde.org/ati-radeon-9550-dual-monitor-setup-not-working-kde-4-2-2-t-47263.html
[15:53] <eagles0513875> ScottK: will look on google
[15:54] <ghostcube> hmm is there anything about the anjuta dist-upgrade problem known ?
[15:54] <Oceanwatcher> a | wen: The conclusion there is pretty much that some buttons must have been removed by Kubuntu.
[15:54] <ScottK> eagles0513875: This is your third off topic support request on this channel in the day or two since you got unbanned.  You've already got three strikes.  Don't get a fourth.
[15:54] <a|wen> milian: we don't move around with the file; so it is installed where the upstream cmake-files wants it ... that might be wrong though; but i'm no kdelibs expert in that regard
[15:54] <ScottK> Oceanwatcher: Not on purpose.
[15:55] <milian> a|wen: so why is there kde4/plugins/designer at all? and at least it would be an upstream bug
[15:58] <a|wen> milian: i have a few files in that folder as well, and you're probably right that it is places wrong ... i think Riddell or JontheEchidna would be the persons to settle that
[15:58] <milian> imo kdewidgets.so needs to be moved to kde4/plugins/designer
[15:59] <ScottK> ghostcube: I'd look for bugs and if not, file one.
[15:59] <ghostcube> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/anjuta/+bug/343076
[15:59] <ghostcube> iuts this one ScottK #
[16:00] <ScottK> Is that what happened to you?
[16:00] <ghostcube> yep
[16:00] <ghostcube> its kept back for dist-upgrade
[16:00] <ghostcube> and then its not installable for the overwrite problem
[16:00] <ScottK> ghostcube: This is more of a #ubuntu-motu topic in any case.
[16:01] <ghostcube> ok no prob :) just thought anything is planned i dont really need it i only noticed, thx ScottK
[16:02] <ScottK> Yeah, well this probably isn't the best channel for a Gnome based IDE.
[16:02] <ghostcube> yeah thats right hehe but i must say qt 4.5 is smooth till now and faster with 180.44 drivers for nvidia
[16:03] <ghostcube> and the update from 8.10 to 9.04 worked much better then from 8.04 to 8.10 :)
[16:15] <Oceanwatcher> ScottK: Yeah, I did not think so. Would be good though to get hold of a person involved in that project to find out what is going on. At the moment, dual monitors in Kubuntu 9.04 is a total no-no if you are not using proprietary drivers.
[16:15] <Oceanwatcher> Have to go out for a little while
[16:18] <ScottK> Oceanwatcher: Please file bugs if you haven't.
[16:20] <Oceanwatcher> ScottK: Have not done yet. Will do.
[16:24] <a|wen> Oceanwatcher: the "multiple monitors" tab is for configuring xinerama ... and from the upstream code it is set to only be there when it makes sense
[16:25] <ScottK> a|wen: Oh dear.  Does that even make sense anymore?
[16:26] <ScottK> I thought that was nearly completely deprecated even in Hardy.
[16:26] <a|wen> ScottK: i think some of the old old drivers does still support it ... but luckily it is "hidden" most of the time that tab
[16:30] <metellius> bad bug: kubuntu just auto-installed a packaged from the xorg-edgers ppa, with "security only" enabled in system settings. I am usually very careful about what I install from xorg-edgers, so this is not good
[16:31] <a|wen> metellius: if you add the a ppa to your sources.list it will use those packages if they have a newer version ... if you don't want that you should download the individual .deb files and install them
[16:32] <a|wen> metellius: if you look under "third-party" you can see it there
[16:33] <metellius> what do you mean third-party?
[16:34] <metellius> and I disagree, I was told earlier here that kpackagekit set to "security only" will only install official jaunty packages, and that's why I reacted when it installed this package from the ppa
[16:35] <metellius> whether I mistakenly upgrade the packages outside kpackagekit is definitely my own problem
[16:35] <a|wen> metellius: if it is set to security-only it will only install the security-updates from the official software channels ... but any extra/3rd-party repositories added will be checked as well
[16:36] <metellius> can you elaborate what you mean by "will be checked as well"?
[16:36] <metellius> will they be installed, or just refreshed and their presence notified?
[16:36] <a|wen> metellius: it will check if a newer version exist, and if you apply all updates those will be installed as well
[16:38] <metellius> a|wen: I think that's another path than what I am describing, I am talking about the "automatically install" feature in kpackagekit
[16:38] <metellius> which, when set to "security only", I would certainly not expect to install 3rd party packages
[16:39] <ScottK> metellius: Security only is about which Ubuntu repos are enabled.
[16:40] <a|wen> metellius: so under "automatic updates" it is set to security only? and it installed a new version from a PPA in the background?
[16:40] <metellius> a|wen: yes, I doublechecked it in dpkg's log even
[16:42] <metellius> ScottK: I'm afraid I don't understand how the "automatically install" setting changes which ubuntu repos are enabled... could you explain? I really want to get to the bottom of this
[16:43] <ScottK> metellius: It may be that I'm thinking of a different setting that you were describing.
[16:43] <a|wen> metellius: there should be a log in /var/log/ from the automatic updates IIRC
[16:44] <ScottK> There is one (IIRC) for which Ubuntu updates you want (-security, -updates, -backports).  That's what I thought we were discussing.
[16:44] <metellius> a|wen: wouldn't that we dpkg.log then?
[16:47] <a|wen> metellius: there should be another one ... but i'm wondering if kpackagekit has it's own infrastructure to do those updates
[16:50] <metellius> ScottK: that sounds different then, yes.
[16:52] <a|wen> metellius: hmm, the one i'm sure would know that is not here ... can you file a bug-report and give as much info as possible; also attach a screenshot and mark the setting you're referring to
[16:55] <metellius> yep
[16:55] <metellius> will do
[17:03] <metellius> a|wen: where should I post it?
[17:03] <metellius> launchpad? bugs.kde.org?
[17:04] <ScottK> metellius: Launchpad.
[17:05] <a|wen> metellius: running "ubuntu-bug kpackagekit" should get you started
[17:05] <a|wen> metellius: it will collect a lot of information automatically and your bug will end up in launchpad
[17:06] <metellius> cool
[17:08] <metellius> an Idea would be to add a shortcut somewhere (for rexample the default desktop) for report bug, showing alist of installed packages and executing ubuntu-bug theselectedpackage
[17:10] <a|wen> metellius: in many applications a "report bug" menu-entry that does that has been added ... but i can see that kpackagekit isn't one of them though
[17:12] <a|wen> but adding the option in the help-area or something might not be a bad idea
[17:14] <jefferai> apachelogger: halp
[17:14] <jefferai> timely halp
[17:14] <jefferai> running kubuntu, going to be giving a demo in a few hours
[17:15] <jefferai> and mysqle is apparently broken
[17:16] <jefferai> I have amarok-common installed as well as amarok-mysql-data
[17:16] <jefferai> and the files are created fine in the mysqle directory
[17:16] <jefferai> wait, no they aren't
[17:16] <jefferai> this is 32bit
[17:17] <Oceanwatcher> a | wen: Ok, makes sense. But there are more buttons missing. notice the placement buttons on each monitor on one screentshot?
[17:18] <metellius> why are most buttons in system settings in Title Case?
[17:19] <a|wen> Oceanwatcher: you mean the "Position"?
[17:23] <Oceanwatcher> Yes
[17:23] <a|wen> Oceanwatcher: i have those here
[17:25] <Oceanwatcher> a | wen: At the moment, on a pc with ATI Radeon 9550 and open drivers, no xorg.conf, both monitors are working, but mirrored. And there are no ways to get it out of mirror mode. Have been working a whole day (literally) editing xorg.conf manually to no avail.
[17:26] <Oceanwatcher> a|wen: Also worth mentioning: The displays need different resolutions.
[17:27] <Oceanwatcher> But I can not see why something that works so easily in MSWin should not work at least as well in Kubuntu...
[17:27] <a|wen> Oceanwatcher: it should be possible ... at least i have it working on my desktop with radeon 9600
[17:27] <Oceanwatcher> Exactly!
[17:28] <Oceanwatcher> Do you have an xorg.con that you could put in the before mentioned thread? I might be able to use it as the two cards are very close.
[17:29] <a|wen> Oceanwatcher: i'm not really able to tell you how i did it, as my desktop computer is 6000 km away atm
[17:30] <Oceanwatcher> a|wen: Ah - ok :-) I suggested something in KDE brainstorming on that. A way to connect two computers even if both are behind firewalls. Would make a HUGE difference for me when I help friends install Kubuntu. And to access your own stuff from far away...
[17:32] <a|wen> Oceanwatcher: you have increased the "virtual desktop size" in your xorg.conf to be large enough for both monitors ... if you don't do that you have no chance of getting it to work
[17:33] <a|wen> Oceanwatcher: and if you want to set it up using xorg.conf so the settings are there for all users debian has _the_ guide to it http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
[17:34] <Oceanwatcher> a|wen: Is it ok to discuss this here? I am a little afraid someone will get mad if I go to deep and it becomes more like a support disussion.... I tried setting up virtual desktop, but every time I did, X would not even start...
[17:35] <Oceanwatcher> Ok. I will take a look at it. Could not hurt. Feel like I have been trying all other tutorials on the net, so one more is fine :-) Thanks for the tip!
[17:36] <Oceanwatcher> One question: As the card has two heads, VGA and DVI, I set up two devices, two monitors and two screens. Is this correct? And do I then have to have virtual desktop option for both?
[17:37] <a|wen> Oceanwatcher: only the monitor part needs to be duplicate ... both device and screen should only be there once
[17:38] <Oceanwatcher> Thanks! Will try it today :-)
[17:38] <a|wen> Oceanwatcher: we at least know, that it's not because kubuntu has disabled anything now :) ... but you should probably move the "making it work for me" discussion to #kubuntu
[17:39] <a|wen> Oceanwatcher: the "III.6. Example of modern configuration" part in the guide gives a good overview of approximately what you should have
[17:42] <Oceanwatcher> a|wen: Hmm... well, if the buttons suddenly appear, it is ok, I guess. But they should have appeared when I removed xorg.conf? Anyway - I will check the guide and hopefully get things to work. Thank you very much for the help. Have a nice day!
[17:46] <a|wen> Oceanwatcher: i think it is dependent on the driver that is loaded, if virtual size is set, and some other stuff ... there are some checks in the code at lease
[17:50] <Oceanwatcher> Ok. Thanks again :-)
[17:51] <a|wen> np, hope you get it to work
[17:57] <apachelogger> jefferai: ping
[18:08] <jefferai> apachelogger: pong
[18:09] <apachelogger> jefferai: what version of kubuntu?
[18:09] <jefferai> jaunty
[18:10] <apachelogger> hmmmmm
[18:10] <apachelogger> jefferai: amarok-mysql-data is from intrepid
[18:10] <apachelogger> that is weird
[18:11] <apachelogger> jefferai: sudo apt-get purge amarok* && sudo apt-get install amarok
[18:11] <jefferai> so what do I use on jaunty?
[18:11] <apachelogger> none, the data should be shipped within amarok-common
[18:12] <jefferai> boo, but installing amarok-common installs amarok
[18:12]  * jefferai uinstalls
[18:15] <apachelogger> jefferai: jsut run the command I told you :P
[18:15] <jefferai> yeah, I di
[18:15] <jefferai> then uninstalled amarok
[18:15] <apachelogger> the command should install everything amarokish and reinstall amarok
[18:16] <jefferai> yes
[18:16] <jefferai> right
[18:16] <jefferai> apachelogger: still same issue
[18:16] <apachelogger> hm
[18:17] <apachelogger> jefferai: run kdebugdialog and select all
[18:17] <jefferai> ok
[18:17] <apachelogger> that should make it easier to find the problem
[18:18] <jefferai> apachelogger: ok, using the ubuntu package worked
[18:18] <jefferai> using svn did not
[18:18]  * jefferai retries, cleaned out cruft
[18:19] <apachelogger> uhhhh
[18:19] <apachelogger> for svn it's a whole different story
[18:19] <jefferai> why?
[18:19] <jefferai> it's been working
[18:19] <jefferai> although I haven't used it on this computer in a bit
[18:20] <apachelogger> oh
[18:20] <jefferai> but it worked a month or so ago
[18:20] <apachelogger> jefferai: you built mysql yourself?
[18:20] <jefferai> maybe two months
[18:20] <jefferai> no
[18:20] <apachelogger> well, then you need to install the mysql 5.1 stack
[18:20] <apachelogger> libmysqlclient16-dev and alikes
[18:20] <jefferai> oh
[18:20] <jefferai> doing so
[18:21] <apachelogger> jefferai: also, why don't you just use the beta1?
[18:21] <jefferai> cause a lot has been fixed in trunk since
[18:21] <apachelogger> ic
[18:22] <apachelogger> jefferai: for runtime you'll need mysql-server-data-5.1
[18:22] <apachelogger> that shoudl be about it
[18:27] <jefferai> ok
[18:27] <jefferai> hmm
[18:27] <jefferai> apachelogger:
[18:27] <jefferai> root@macncheese:/usr/local# apt-get install mysql-server-data-5.1
[18:27] <jefferai> Reading package lists... Done
[18:27] <jefferai> Building dependency tree
[18:27] <jefferai> Reading state information... Done
[18:27] <jefferai> Package mysql-server-data-5.1 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[18:27] <jefferai> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[18:27] <jefferai> is only available from another source
[18:27] <jefferai> However the following packages replace it:
[18:27] <jefferai>   amarok-common
[18:27] <jefferai> E: Package mysql-server-data-5.1 has no installation candidate
[18:29] <apachelogger> oh well
[18:29]  * apachelogger looks
[18:30] <apachelogger> hm
[18:33] <jefferai> apachelogger: should amarok-common work?
[18:33] <apachelogger> trying to find out right now
[18:33] <apachelogger> it is possible
[18:33] <jefferai> ok
[18:34] <jefferai> apachelogger: nope :-(
[18:34] <jefferai> doesn't work
[18:34] <apachelogger> oi vei
[18:34] <apachelogger> they crippled the package again :P
[18:34] <jefferai> ugh
[18:34] <apachelogger> jefferai: you need mysql-server-5.1
[18:34] <jefferai> doing so
[18:56] <jefferai> apachelogger: success!
[18:56]  * jefferai hugs and kisses apachelogger
[18:56]  * apachelogger blushes
[19:00] <markey> could there be a problem with the packaging of Amarok's scripting bindings?
[19:00] <markey> we get many crash reports related to scripts now
[19:01] <markey> and that's really bad, as for some users amarok doesn't even start - tries to load a script on startup, crashes
[19:02] <jefferai> markey: I may end up giving an Amarok talk at LFNW here
[19:02] <ScottK> apachelogger: That wasn't supposed to needed anymore, IIRC.
[19:03] <markey> jefferai: awesome :) will there be a video?
[19:03] <jefferai> doubt it :-(
[19:03] <markey> ok
[19:47] <Mamarok> apachelogger: we keep getting reports about that last.fm scrobbling not working in 2.0.2
[19:47] <Mamarok> wasn't that fixed already?
[19:57] <neversfelde> Mamarok: kast change was "Add kubuntu_07_lastfm_scrobble.diff from upstream to fix Last.fm
[19:57] <neversfelde>     scrobbling (LP: #355308)
[19:57] <neversfelde> s/kast/last
[20:17] <yao_ziyuan> http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/2963/s56.png
[20:29] <Mamarok> neversfelde: well, it says fix released a week ago, but we continue getting reports for it being not working :(
[20:29] <Mamarok> so either those 30+ reporters are all dumb or the package doesn't fix anything
[20:40] <a|wen> Mamarok: we'll need to know if they use the version with the fix
[20:45] <Mamarok> a|wen: seems so, if I understand the reports after the released fix...
[20:46] <Mamarok> btw, does luanchpad subscribe automaticaly al posters to a bug?
[20:46] <Mamarok> all*
[20:47] <a|wen> Mamarok: then there is most likely a problem ... nope; there is a "please subscribe me" checkbox when posting a comment; you'll only be subscribed if you check that
[20:49] <Mamarok> well, it should subscribe by default, else you will never get the required feedback if the poster is not subscribed...
[20:51] <a|wen> the original creater of the bug is of course subscribed ... but random posters has a choice
[20:53] <Mamarok> hm, I like the default subscribing in Bugzilla
[20:56] <a|wen> i have the fealing that most commenters do subscribe as well
[20:58] <Mamarok> I hope so, else it would be tricky to get feedback, as sometimes the feedback should come from commenters too
[21:01] <a|wen> indeed; luckily you can take a look at the direct subscribers list ... but might make sense to have the checkbox checked as default
[21:05] <Mamarok> I would say so, yes
[22:37] <neversfelde> shaman is a frontend for pacman, isn't it?
[22:41] <DreadKnight> hey guys
[22:41] <DreadKnight> where the heck can i get kubuntu 8.10 from the website?
[22:42] <Quintasan> neversfelde: yes it is, but Shaman2 is in development it will be shipped with PackageKit frontend
[22:42] <DreadKnight> because i don't want 8.04 and kde3... and i don't want 9.04 as well since it only brings regressions for most people (jaunty is friking awful, bad video card support for intel/ati)
[22:42] <neversfelde> Quintasan: ah ok, thanks for that info
[22:43]  * Quintasan wonders if he's the only one with no problems on jaunty
[22:43] <neversfelde> no problems here, only bad localisation
[22:43] <DreadKnight> me and lots of people are downgrading, worse release ever...
[22:43] <neversfelde> huuu :(
[22:43]  * claydoh has no probs on 2 machines, both ati
[22:44] <Quintasan> neversfelde: np :D The packagekit plugins works, but not as it should work so frankly speaking it's useless in it's current state
[22:44] <neversfelde> In german forum we got positive feedback
[22:44] <DreadKnight> and the kubuntu website doesn't seem to allow me to get 8.10.. that's the issue i'm here for
[22:44] <claydoh> cdimage.ubuntu.com
[22:44] <DreadKnight> or im just confused
[22:44] <DreadKnight> ok, thank claydoh
[22:44] <Quintasan> I got some positive and negative feedback but mostly on Ubuntu :P
[22:45] <claydoh> yeah, esp notifications
[22:45] <DreadKnight> my tablet pc has support ouf of the box.. except the button on the stylus doesn't right clicks.. and i can't do anything about it... lame
[22:45] <DreadKnight> so it's a regression for me
[22:46] <Quintasan> hmm that reminds me that I should try pluging mah wacom tablet
[22:46] <DreadKnight> i investigated launchpad... but i'll have to wait longer... too bad i'll miss kpackagekit in 8.10 i guess
[22:46] <Quintasan> omg it's alive :D
[22:47] <DreadKnight> Quintasan: does the stylus button right clicks for you?
[22:47] <Quintasan> DreadKnight: yeah
[22:47] <DreadKnight> adept 3 was so awful, it's good the dev killed it with fire
[22:47] <DreadKnight> Quintasan: nice :) if it would only be working for me as well... heh
[22:48] <claydoh> kpackagekit has its own issues tho
[22:48] <DreadKnight> yep
[22:48] <Quintasan> DreadKnight: KPackageKit is not better IMO
[22:48] <DreadKnight> but has nicer GUI
[22:48] <DreadKnight> i wonder if it's going to be replaced with shaman2 at some point
[22:48] <DreadKnight> linux is so strange... lots of applications will get replaced with time... i hope things will settle down
[22:48] <Quintasan> DreadKnight: I submitted this idea to be talked about at UDS
[22:49] <DreadKnight> Quintasan: good :) shaman2 looked very nice; a bit too 'bloated' compared to kpackagekit, but at least it was good enough and has nice development progress and better name
[22:50] <Quintasan> DreadKnight: In it's current state Shaman2 is useless, I will take a look at svn from time to time
[22:50] <neversfelde> I think it is not a good idea to change the package manager each release :)
[22:51] <Quintasan> neversfelde: It wouldn't hurt to change shitty package manager to a better one
[22:51] <Quintasan> ;)
[22:51] <neversfelde> kpackagekit is good imo
[22:51] <neversfelde> or will be good
[22:51]  * Quintasan uses aptitude
[22:52]  * claydoh uses whatever is handy
[22:52] <claydoh> kpackagekit just needs some more love
[22:52] <claydoh> plus it fits the look and feel nicelly
[22:53] <DreadKnight> claydoh: i agree... but i have the 'k' krap naming on stuff
[22:53] <DreadKnight> hate*
[22:53] <Quintasan> What I miss is a category view like aptitude has.
[22:53] <claydoh> thats the easiest thing to change
[22:54] <DreadKnight> it sort of has dropdowns..
[22:54] <DreadKnight> the packagekit in latest fedora (11 perhaps, the one in development) is just perfect
[22:54] <Quintasan> DreadKnight: So I herd u lieK mudKipz? :3
[22:54] <DreadKnight> xD
[22:55] <Quintasan> dunno why but I think new apps will be named - Paladin, Warlock, Death Knigh and so on :D
[22:56] <Quintasan> s/Knigh/Knight
[22:56] <DreadKnight> yeah... adept.. shaman... etc
[22:56] <Monika|K> Gaming names? Why?
[22:57] <Quintasan> what DreadKnight said
[22:58] <Quintasan> ok I'm starting a new project - WarlocK
[23:00] <Quintasan> oh well, It's Sunday here :P
[23:00] <Quintasan> I'm going to get some sleep
[23:00] <Quintasan> night
[23:01]  * a|wen hates when people hi-jack a bug; and then doesn't even subscribe to it so it is worth giving them some advice
[23:01] <DreadKnight> Quintasan: night
[23:03] <DreadKnight> phail... could only find kubuntu 8.10 as dvd... WTF
[23:10] <Monika|K> if torrent is okay: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/_attachment?target=Downloads%2FIntrepid_Ibex%2Fkubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[23:10] <Monika|K> 8.10 Desktop 32bit Kubuntu
[23:11] <DreadKnight> want 64 bits, thanks anyway
[23:11] <Monika|K> here http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/_attachment?target=Downloads%2FIntrepid_Ibex%2Fkubuntu-8.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[23:11] <DreadKnight> is there any difference between 32 and 64 bits anymore?
[23:12] <Monika|K> there sure is
[23:12] <DreadKnight> heard 32 arhitectures just support 64 stuff as well
[23:12] <Monika|K> http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/intrepid/kubuntu-8.10-desktop-amd64.iso or without Torrent
[23:12] <DreadKnight> and they're more stable and better supported as well
[23:12] <DreadKnight> Monika|K: nice :) ty ^^
[23:12] <Monika|K> well, if you have a 64bit PC, you can use 32bit of course
[23:12] <Monika|K> and it's indeed easier to use
[23:13] <Monika|K> some stuff like Flash is still not so easy on 64bit
[23:13] <DreadKnight> Monika|K: yes, but what about performance? 32 bit OS on a 64 bit machine will have same performances overall?
[23:14] <Monika|K> not much difference
[23:14] <DreadKnight> yeah, flash or skype official binaries... or google docs... are only provided for 32 bit from official websites
[23:14] <DreadKnight> Monika|K: oh ok
[23:15] <Monika|K> so far only people who do much video-editing have reported that 64bits was better for them
[23:15] <Monika|K> and of course if you have (and need) more than 4 gigs of RAM
[23:16] <DreadKnight> well i have 4 gigs of ram.. and don't do that much video editing
[23:16] <DreadKnight> been using 64 bit for quite a while now...
[23:29] <Sput> flash works fine and natively on 64 bits.
[23:31] <Sput> and in my humble experience, amd64 systems feel notably more responsive than 32 bit installs on the same hardware...
[23:31] <Sput> having a bunch of extra registers and optimized commands in the CPU makes everything benefit, not just video editing :)
[23:32] <DreadKnight> erm
[23:59] <Monika|K> well, it might be getting better, maybe more programs are able to use it