[00:39] <jStefan> Hi, i'm having problems reporting a bug, i started apport and i have the crash file, but it says i dont have enough memory to process it.
[00:42] <jStefan> my system has 2gb of physical memory and 1.5gb of swap
[00:43] <jStefan> all of swap is free atm and 1495544 of mem is free
[00:48] <jStefan> 'Sorry, the program "brasero" closed unexpectedly'
[00:48] <jStefan> 'Your computer does not have enough free memery to automatically analyze the problem and send a report to the developers.'
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[00:49] <jStefan> what can i do?
[01:24] <vocx> Ubuntu 9.04, System > Administration > Software Sources seems like it's not using modern widgets, it looks like it is using plain old GTK 1.0 widgets, everything seems very square, and not smooth, there are other windows like this too.
[01:41] <vocx> USB Startup Disk Creator, Synaptic, Software Sources, Login Window, Computer Janitor, they all default to the ugly raleigh or redmond controls' theme, but maybe because I was using a theme called SnowIsh, still don't know why they don't accept it... so it may be a false alarm, maybe it's the theme...
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[10:17] <slee> Hi I have found a bug with upgrade to jaunty
[10:17] <slee> but it's not clear to be where the bug tracker is
[10:17] <slee> *me
[10:17] <slee> how should I procede?
[10:19]  * slee sees the channel header 'reporting bugs' and goes to read - why could I not find that on web site?
[10:20] <BUGabundo> guud morning
[10:20] <BUGabundo> slee: need help?
[10:21] <slee> hey yes I wanted to search and raise a bug but could not find how form website
[10:21] <slee> only found forums and triage
[10:21] <slee> any way the problem is after upgrade the gdm theme file Human/ubuntu.png is missing
[10:21] <slee> causing error at startup
[10:22] <slee> have same on 2 machines
[10:22] <slee> BUGabundo: ^
[10:22] <slee> I copied from HumanFeisty
[10:23] <BUGabundo> strange
[10:23] <slee> is that a reported bug?
[10:23] <BUGabundo> what theme engine are you using ?
[10:23] <BUGabundo> slee: check http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu to see if it is there.
[10:23] <slee> dunno so must be dfault
[10:24] <slee> ah launchpad
[10:25] <BUGabundo>  !launchpad
[10:25] <BUGabundo>  !ping
[10:25] <BUGabundo> humm bot is dead?
[10:26] <slee> BUGabundo: no sign of it so will use ubuntu-bug
[10:27] <BUGabundo> okay
[10:33] <slee> BUGabundo: : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/366622
[10:33] <slee> thks
[10:34]  * BUGabundo kicks bot
[10:34]  * Elbrus too
[10:34] <jpds> BUGabundo: It's gone.
[10:35] <BUGabundo> they all are
[10:35] <Elbrus> but the question is: whereto?
[10:35] <Elbrus> logbot isn't
[10:36] <Flannel> Elbrus: vacation.
[10:36] <BUGabundo> there isn't a single one on #ubuntu-bots
[10:36] <Flannel> Elbrus: So much work due to Jaunty, we decided to give her the day off.
[10:36] <Elbrus> I see ubuntulog
[10:36] <Elbrus> aha, I see
[10:36]  * slee grins at though of sunbathing bots
[10:36]  * Elbrus would be interested to see them too
[10:37]  * Elbrus wonders how bits look like
[10:37]  * slee thinks sunburnt
[10:37]  * slee waves
[10:57] <afflux> bug 366535 is about kubuntu creating wrong entries in grub's menu.lst. What package should I assign it to?
[10:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 366535 in grub-choose-default "Kubuntu registers itself in /boot/grub/menu.lst as Ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/366535
[10:58] <jpds> Erm, that's not a bug.
[10:58] <jpds> Kubuntu base is Ubuntu.
[11:04] <BUGabundo> can some one triage bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/366629
[11:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 366629 in grub "grub wont accept vga=360" [Undecided,New]
[11:04] <BUGabundo> thanks
[11:05] <afflux> jpds: I do know that. However, I think I remember kubuntu adding "Kubuntu" entries to menu.lst
[11:06] <jpds> afflux: Try asking in #kubuntu-devel.
[11:06]  * BUGabundo changes nick to BUG-a-bot LOL
[11:08] <afflux> jpds: will do that, thanks
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[11:36] <BUGabundo> stupid question: doesn't find expand results from .bashrc?
[11:45] <danage> gvfsd-smb timeouts in jaunty, is that a known issue? i need to end the process and restart, then mount the share again to make it work
[12:03] <BUGabundo> how do I send a bug to upstream GNU?
[12:03] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/366665
[12:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 366665 in findutils "find wont use .bashrc alias" [Undecided,New]
[12:05] <maxb> BUGabundo: I think that behaviour, whilst counter-intuitive, is not a bug
[12:06] <BUGabundo> maxb: oh no?
[12:06] <BUGabundo> why?
[12:06] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: I'm not sure if it's a bug and not a limitation.
[12:06] <BUGabundo> isn't find running in my bash?
[12:06] <kklimonda> no
[12:06] <kklimonda> it's a program
[12:06] <BUGabundo> it *should* read my .bashrc
[12:06] <kklimonda> and what if you don't use zsh?
[12:06] <maxb> An alias is inherently a text processing filter solely within your shell. So it's definitely not available when executing a program from something else
[12:07] <kklimonda> s/zsh/bash/
[12:08] <BUGabundo> maxb: but doesnt it set Variables for session?
[12:08]  * BUGabundo welcomes kimus
[12:08] <maxb> bash execs find, which execs mp3gain. There is no shell in between find and what it execs
[12:09] <BUGabundo> ahh
[12:09] <BUGabundo> right
[12:09] <BUGabundo> so it's the new shell from exec that lost .bashrc settings
[12:09] <maxb> no!
[12:09] <maxb> there is no new shell
[12:10]  * BUGabundo is learning a lot
[12:10] <maxb> find execs mp3gain totally without the involvement of any shel
[12:10] <maxb> l
[12:10] <BUGabundo> but that's is too far
[12:10] <BUGabundo> the bug is in between
[12:11] <BUGabundo> when bash starts find
[12:11] <BUGabundo> find should have the info from .bashrc
[12:11] <BUGabundo> and expand the existing alias
[12:11] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: i don't think that aliases are, like env vars, passed to program
[12:11] <BUGabundo> so, replacing mp3gainB with mp3gain -bla -foo
[12:12] <maxb> erm. You want bash to know the command line syntax of every program that it will ever invokes so that it can deduce which bits of it might be commands? Impossible.
[12:12] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: so for it to work find would have to manually parse all ~/.*shrc files..
[12:13] <kimus> how alias work in first place?
[12:13] <BUGabundo> I though the shell would expand alias in runtime
[12:14] <BUGabundo> so calling find -exec command/alias
[12:14] <maxb> kimus: Purely within your shell, doing a search/replace on the beginning of every command you type
[12:14] <BUGabundo> should be same thing
[12:14] <maxb> No, they are implemented very differently
[12:14] <BUGabundo> so the prob here is that -exec new command doesnt parse .bashrc
[12:14] <maxb> No
[12:14] <BUGabundo> not bug, but feature
[12:15] <maxb> Having find try to mess around parsing any shell's files is very definitely not the right way to do it
[12:15] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: bash would have to magically know that an argument you pass to a program is an alias you wan't it to expand.
[12:15] <kimus> maxb: let's start on that... the -exec command ... the command should be on PATH right?
[12:15] <kklimonda> want*
[12:16] <maxb> kimus: precisely - and an alias is just an entry in the memory of your shell, not a file on PATH
[12:16] <kimus> but If I change the PATH on an bashrc... the find knows right?
[12:17] <maxb> yes
[12:17] <kklimonda> kimus: because PATH is explicitly passed to find
[12:17] <kklimonda> as a environment variable
[12:17] <maxb> PATH is an environment variable. environment variables inherit from process to child process
[12:17] <BUGabundo> but .bashrc alias are not in the env variables?
[12:18] <maxb> no, they aren't
[12:18] <kklimonda> no
[12:18] <BUGabundo> ok
[12:18] <kimus> you can obtain the alias :-)
[12:19] <mrooney> Where might I file a bug if a package doesn't exist for a certain arch? In that package?
[12:19] <maxb> mrooney: probably yes. Do you know why it's arch-restricted?
[12:20] <mrooney> maxb: sun-java6-bin is the issue, I was attempting to get java running on my arm server
[12:20] <maxb> erm
[12:20] <maxb> sun-java6 is closed-source and produced by Sun
[12:20] <mrooney> are you sure it is closed source?
[12:21] <mrooney> It seems something is available: http://download.java.net/jdk6/source/
[12:21] <maxb> ok, not exactly closed source, but "source available under restricted license for research purposes"
[12:22] <maxb> But the point being that Ubuntu just repackages binaries built by Snu
[12:22] <maxb> * Sun
[12:22] <mrooney> Well, I don't specifically need sun java
[12:22] <BUGabundo> openjdk
[12:22] <BUGabundo> that would solve it, no?
[12:23] <mrooney> BUGabundo: I thought I tried that once before but, let me try it again :)
[12:24] <kimus> BUGabundo: openjdk != sun-java ... does not work sometimes :-p
[12:24] <mrooney> I will give openjdk-6-jre-headless a shot
[12:24] <maxb> openjdk-6 is trying to build on armel, but it seems to be failing to build: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/25470876/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-armel.openjdk-6_6b14-1.4.1-0ubuntu7_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[12:25] <maxb> oh, though the previous version built
[12:25] <mrooney> yeah
[12:25] <maxb> still, that looks like it still has reliability issues
[12:26] <mrooney> Okay well I can java -version, that's a start
[12:33] <mrooney> BUGabundo: wow, that worked, thanks so much! I swear I tried that but I guess not
[12:35] <BUGabundo> oh don't thank me. I had nothing to do with it
[12:35] <BUGabundo> I just mentioned the app LOL
[12:59] <Rafik_> hi, can anyone look at bug 364866 please
[12:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 364866 in ubuntu "9.04: ABSOLUTELY INACEPTABLE / URGENT: Desktop freezes !" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/364866
[13:03] <james_w> Is it me or is there not a graphics card in the lspci output?
[13:05] <james_w> anyway, reassign to xserver-xorg, and have the reporter run "apport-collect 364866" to gather some more information
[13:05] <james_w> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Reporting has some good information on what to request for X bugs
[13:06] <kklimonda> james_w: there is "Radeon Mobility X1800"
[13:06] <james_w> ah, thanks
[13:07] <james_w> so it's not the bug Matt pointed to
[13:20] <Rafik_> james_w> I do or you will ? (assign and ask for apport-collect)
[13:22] <Rafik_> maybe someone (with better English than mine) want to do and add some words as the reporter is upset ^^
[13:31] <james_w> Rafik_: go ahead, you are doing a good job
[13:32] <Rafik_> thanks
[14:05] <porthose> Would someone please set #366702 to triaged for me please.
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[15:15] <hggdh> bug 366702
[15:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 366702 in computer-janitor "computer-janitor manpage typo" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/366702
[15:15] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 366702 in computer-janitor "computer-janitor manpage typo" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/366702
[15:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 366702 in computer-janitor "computer-janitor manpage typo" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/366702
[15:15] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 366702 in computer-janitor "computer-janitor manpage typo" [Low,Triaged]
[15:15] <ubot4> Ubuntu bug 366702 in computer-janitor "computer-janitor manpage typo" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/366702
[15:15] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 366702 in computer-janitor "computer-janitor manpage typo" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/366702
[15:16] <hggdh> who is ubot4 (meaning do we need TWO bots here)?
[15:19] <Kangarooo> Hello
[15:20] <Kangarooo> hello https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/362569 :) copy paste not working  :)
[15:20] <Kangarooo> and i wanted to add feature to quicksynergy- auto start and auto login :) synergy can be made like that but quick synergy also needs that :)
[15:20] <Kangarooo> This is big one --> In xubuntu there is no guest account logging button.. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/gdm-guest-login   how to add tihs to wishlist for xubuntu also?
[15:20] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 362569 in quicksynergy "Copy Paste Not Working" [Undecided,New]
[15:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 362569 in quicksynergy "Copy Paste Not Working" [Undecided,New]
[15:20] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 362569 in quicksynergy "Copy Paste Not Working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/362569
[15:20] <ubot4> Ubuntu bug 362569 in quicksynergy "Copy Paste Not Working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/362569
[15:21] <Ampelbein> hggdh: don't know who ubot4 is. but that's definitely more irritating than useful
[15:21] <Ampelbein> !ops
[15:21] <ubot4> Help! Seveas, Hobbsee, gnomefreak, coleSLAW, or dholbach
[15:21] <ubottu> Help! Seveas, Hobbsee, gnomefreak, coleSLAW, or dholbach
[15:21] <hggdh> Ampelbein, I think it came from -testing
[15:22] <hggdh> heh
[15:22] <hggdh> at least the ops get two help requests...
[15:22] <Ampelbein> hggdh: but he's only in #ubuntu-irc and here...
[15:22] <Ampelbein> I'll join #-irc and ask there
[15:25] <hggdh> Ampelbein, ubottu has gone away
[15:25] <hggdh> bug 362569
[15:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 362569 in quicksynergy "Copy Paste Not Working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/362569
[15:25] <hggdh> yay
[15:26] <Ampelbein> woohoo ;-)
[15:29] <hggdh> Kangarooo, open a bug against Xubuntu, and ask for a guest account button as in the blueprint you show
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[18:22] <atempu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-app-install/+bug/366414
[18:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 366414 in gnome-app-install "Add/Remove application doesn't display applications properly" [Undecided,New]
[18:22] <atempu> Anyone else facing the same bug?
[18:24] <hggdh> atempu, there is a bug on g-a-i on failing to clean up after a search that returns no hits
[18:27] <hggdh> atempu, see bug 354563
[18:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 354563 in gnome-app-install "gnome-app-install has problems with searching" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/354563
[18:29] <atempu> Ah.
[18:31] <hggdh> although your scenario is not quite the same, if I correctly understood your description
[18:34] <atempu> Yeah but the core problem is the same from the looks of it
[18:34] <hggdh> I though so -- it may be different symptoms of the same core bug, but I am not sure
[18:36] <hggdh> atempu, in any of these searches, did you get at least one "no hits"?
[18:36] <hggdh> then it would be the same thing
[18:36] <atempu> That's the thing, I got 0 hits with one thing I'm sure was there
[18:37] <atempu> It was a clean install so I was searching and checking/selecting a bunch of applications to install at once
[18:39] <hggdh> atempu, I updated the bug
[20:05] <jpds> Ampelbein,, hggdh: ubot4 is mine.
[20:05] <jpds> Ampelbein, hggdh: I put it here cos ubottu was AWOL earlier on today.
[20:09] <jpds> Ampelbein: And it is NOT only on -irc - it has the invisible mode set.
[20:33] <hggdh> jpds, thanks, I was wondering about it
[20:33] <hggdh> jpds, right now ubot4 is the official bot ;-)
[20:54] <emil_s> Hi all! I think #344847 should be set to "Wishlist". Or am I wrong?
[20:54] <emil_s> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-network-manager/+bug/344847
[20:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 344847 in plasma-widget-network-manager "Impossible to add routes for NM using plasma-widget-network-manager" [Undecided,New]
[21:01] <hggdh> emil_s, it seems it could. But the bug is still in NEW status. What have you done to verify it to be a valid, er, wish?
[22:12] <emil_s> hggdh: Whopps. Forgot this. Sorry. Well, I can confirm that there is no way to add a route. But I don't know if it's a bug or a feature request. But since the route-option isn't implanted, it should be a missing feature, right?
[22:13] <emil_s> But if it's a feature request, should I set the status to confirmed, or invalid? (since it's not a bug)
[22:15] <dtchen> wishlist/confirmed
[22:17] <emil_s> dtchen: Ok, thanks
[22:28] <emil_s> Ok, confirmed it now... So now someone just have to set it as "whichlist"
[22:28] <emil_s> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-network-manager/+bug/344847
[22:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 344847 in plasma-widget-network-manager "Impossible to add routes for NM using plasma-widget-network-manager" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[22:31] <dtchen> done.
[22:35] <hggdh> emil_s, sorry, got busy
[22:46] <emil_s> And for this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-network-manager/+bug/325592, I found the upstream report here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=188318
[22:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 325592 in plasma-widget-network-manager "Wireless networks overlap in new knetworkmanager applet" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[22:46] <emil_s> But how do I "link" them to each other in Launchpad?
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[22:48] <Ampelbein> emil_s: click the "also affects project" link and add the url of the bugtracker there. that way, launchpad will auto-update the remote bug status.
[22:50] <emil_s> Ampelbein: Tried that, but I get "There is no project in Launchpad named "https://bugs.kde.org/......"
[22:50] <emil_s> Or ah... You mean only "https://bugs.kde.org"?
[22:52] <dtchen> emil_s: it's generally easier.
[22:52] <dtchen> emil_s: see the comment i just made
[22:52] <dtchen> emil_s: LP will parse the URL and add it as a remote bug watch; see the trailing vertical edge (right, probably)
[22:52] <Yassine1> Hello !
[22:54] <emil_s> dtchen: Ah, ok. Thanks! :)
[22:54] <Yassine1> Hi, I am new. I like Ubuntu, and I am willing to track bugs a few hours a week. No one to welcome me ?
[22:54] <dtchen> Yassine1: welcome. please see the topic.
[22:55] <Yassine1> HI. I am a little bit LOST. that's my first IRC.
[22:55] <Yassine1> Please be gentle ; )
[22:55] <Yassine1> Where is the topic :-D ?
[22:56] <emil_s> Yassine1: Probably above/belove this window. Try /topic :)
[22:57] <Yassine1> Le sujet courant est : Ubuntu BugSquad | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad | Documentation: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | If you have been triaging bugs for a while, please apply to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/ | Want to report a bug? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs | User support (not related to triage) is in #ubuntu
[22:57] <Yassine1> Thank you.
[22:57] <Yassine1> I know I am on bugsquad channel.
[22:57] <Yassine1> Of which bug are you talking right now ?
[22:59] <hggdh> Yassine1, right now, none (last doubt had just been set)
[22:59] <Yassine1> emil_s, are you still here ? if yes, I would like to aks you 2/3 questions.
[23:00] <Yassine1> OK, hggdh.
[23:00] <Yassine1> Thank you.
[23:00] <Yassine1> Are we (bug-squad  ) supposed to be programmers ... "apprentices" or something like that ?
[23:00] <hggdh> Yassine1, no, we are not expected to be programmers
[23:01] <Yassine1> Well, can I suggest a bug, then .
[23:01] <hggdh> but you can learn programming, if this is something you (would) like to do
[23:01] <Yassine1> It should be of very LOW priority, yet it is a bug.
[23:01] <hggdh> shoot
[23:01] <Yassine1> I am 17. I am leraning c++ and Pascal (PAscal @ school)
[23:02] <Yassine1> Well, I shut the hell up and listen to you guys, please continue !
[23:02] <hggdh> Yassine1, go ahead -- you said you had a bug
[23:02] <Yassine1> Well. When you burn many disks with Brasero for instance,
[23:03] <Yassine1> and when it has burned one disk and is waiting for the next one,
[23:03] <Yassine1> when you put a blank cd,
[23:04] <Yassine1> you have the pop up windows that asks you wich program should be run, ecen though braser is running.
[23:04] <hggdh> ah OK.
[23:04] <Yassine1> I suggest to create some /temp/brasero_running file.
[23:04] <Ryan52> that's a security risk.
[23:04] <Yassine1> like the .kde file
[23:04] <Yassine1> (23:04:40) Ryan52: that's a security risk.
[23:04] <Ryan52> but ya, that's besides the point ;)
[23:05] <Yassine1> hey be gentle, that's my first trial !
[23:05] <hggdh> no matter.
[23:05] <hggdh> Yassine1, did you open a bug for this?
[23:05] <Yassine1> No,
[23:05] <kklimonda> it probably should be done by dbus..
[23:05] <Yassine1> I know there are thousands of bugs
[23:05] <Ryan52> Yassine1: I'm being stupid, ignore me right now. ;)
[23:05] <Yassine1> So I would like to discuss with you guys,
[23:05] <hggdh> heh. Please do. There will be thousands plus one
[23:05] <Yassine1> find some "easy" bug,
[23:06] <kklimonda> Yassine1: using files isn't really the way.
[23:06] <Yassine1> and find a solution, or at least a "work-around"
[23:06] <afflux> anyone knows why the libgcj-dev packages don't contain static files (libgcj.a)?
[23:06] <Yassine1> and publish it
[23:06] <Ryan52> maybe it would be better in brainstorm than as a bug?
[23:06] <Ryan52> or would it not?
[23:06] <Yassine1> Yes.
[23:06] <hggdh> I *do* see that as a bug, or (at least) incorrect behaviour
[23:07] <Yassine1> Ok.
[23:07] <Yassine1> I think hggdh is right, though.
[23:07] <kklimonda> hggdh: it is a bug - but fixing it requires a brainstorm to find the right solution.. ;)
[23:07] <hggdh> no, fixing it requires a change upstream
[23:07] <Yassine1> Eu ...
[23:07] <Yassine1> what's a change upstream :-D
[23:08] <kklimonda> hggdh: well - yes, but it is bigger problem than just fixing this one application.
[23:08] <Yassine1> I see.
[23:08] <kklimonda> Yassine1: upstream is where all development of applications happens.
[23:08] <Yassine1> Do you know other applications behaving that way ?
[23:09] <hggdh> Yassine1, brasero is a gnome application, and we, get it from there.
[23:09] <Yassine1> I mean, other burning programs,
[23:09] <Yassine1> or media players ,
[23:09] <Yassine1> who have this problem ???
[23:09] <Yassine1> I see !
[23:09] <kklimonda> Yassine1: i guess it happens with all writing applications.
[23:10] <Yassine1> Well, can't Ubuntu folks write some fixes / patches for other open source soft. and give it to its publisher ?
[23:10] <hggdh> yes we can, and do. But we would rather use patches that have been approved upstream
[23:10] <Yassine1> Ok.
[23:10] <hggdh> so we try to send the patches upstream
[23:11] <Yassine1> Another question.
[23:11] <Yassine1> Ok, hggdh.
[23:11] <Yassine1> Another question,
[23:11] <Yassine1> If I, as Yassine, send a patch to the gnome team,
[23:11] <Yassine1> and have Mark Shuttlworf send the same patch,
[23:12] <Yassine1> is his request going to be considered as "prior" or more important than the one of a simple end-user ?
[23:12] <kklimonda> if both patches are fixing the same issue then I guess the better one would be included.
[23:13]  * hggdh agrees
[23:13] <afflux> Yassine1: could you please try to not spread your sentences over more than one line? :-)
[23:13] <Yassine1> I think I didn't explain enough.
[23:14] <Yassine1> Never mind.
[23:14] <afflux> Makes it a little bit difficult to follow
[23:14] <Yassine1> Well, about the Brasero Isue ?
[23:14] <Yassine1> Can anyone of you guys request a fix to the gnome team/community ?
[23:14] <kklimonda> Yassine1: you can do it yourself at http://bugs.gnome.org/
[23:14] <Yassine1> OK, afflux. i am sorry.
[23:15] <hggdh> Yassine1, not until we have a bug, or you open one upstream
[23:15] <Yassine1> :hggdh All righty, I will do it.
[23:16] <hggdh> although... I agree with kklimonda in that this is probably not a brasero bug... it is not brasero that is asking what you want to do with the new blank CD
[23:17] <Yassine1> Yes, but I said I thought brasero sould create some /temp/Braser_is_running file to tell everybidy he is running, no ?
[23:17] <kklimonda> Yassine1: it isn't the way
[23:17] <hggdh> Yassine1, not really
[23:17] <kklimonda> Yassine1: communication between applications should be done by using dbus
[23:17] <Yassine1> dbus ?
[23:17] <hggdh> first, creating this file will not do anything unless other applications know about it
[23:17] <Yassine1> Ok, I will google it.
[23:18] <Yassine1> :hggdg I know,
[23:18] <hggdh> second, (as kklimonda stated) dbus would probably be better
[23:18] <kklimonda> i guess that the application which is responsible for displaying this dialog should check if any dvd burner is running at the moment. The all different dvd burners should be patched to provide this information over dbus.
[23:18] <Yassine1> But , ... yes, my idea semms silly,
[23:18] <hggdh> third -- again -- it is not brasero that is opening the dialog
[23:19] <afflux> btw., this issue is a little bit more complicated: a user could have 10 cd-writers and he wanted to use the running brasero for writing to drive #1. So he still may expect the dialog from nautilus asking what to do with the newly inserted disk in drive #5
[23:19] <hggdh> correct
[23:19] <Yassine1> correct
[23:20] <Yassine1> Well, let's talk of some really ANNOYING bug. You guys talk, and I learn. Continue please !
[23:20] <Ryan52> Yassine1: this channel is usually pretty quiet, so don't expect much ;)
[23:21] <afflux> yup. unless someone wants to reveal why we don't ship any static libgcj :)
[23:21] <hggdh> Yassine1, BTW, a detail: we usually discuss bug triaging here (i.e., how to), not actual bugs.
[23:21] <Yassine1> Oh ! I am pretty disappointed. To which #ubuntu-channel do you advise me to go ?
[23:21] <Yassine1> bug triaging
[23:21] <Yassine1> What does it mean :-D ???
[23:22] <afflux> Yassine1: the "channel" for bug reporting is actually https://launchpad.net/ubuntu ;)
[23:22] <kklimonda> Yassine1: where to go depends on what you want to do ;)
[23:22] <hggdh> Yassine1, bug triaging is the process of finding out what the bug reporter actually meant, and gathering enough data to validate or reject a bug
[23:22] <Yassine1> Oh ! Well, sone publish a bug at launchpad, and you guys check if the bug really exists, and if it does, you send some message to developers ?
[23:23] <Yassine1> OK, hggdh, thanks.
[23:23] <afflux> Yassine1: or we are developers and fix it ourselves.
[23:23] <Yassine1> Ok.
[23:23] <afflux> which is the case for quite a lot of people using lp, but not for me :(
[23:23] <hggdh> heh
[23:24] <Yassine1> Can anyone pick a bug and I (for instance) will devote one or two hours testing what he said ? Let's do it !
[23:24] <afflux> Yassine1: you can see new bugs appearing in #ubuntu-bugs-announce
[23:24] <hggdh> Yassine1, the best way is to list the current bugs, and *you* select one you think you can deal with.
[23:25] <Yassine1> !kklimonda I want to go to some channel like that : "Genius 1 says : There is a bug in Yassine Application"
[23:25] <ubot4> Yassine1: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[23:25] <hggdh> Yassine1, then... you can ask here the what/why/how/when of doing it
[23:25] <Yassine1> "Genius 2 :" let's try this, Yassine, you do the testing !
[23:26] <porthose> Yassine1: have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad ;-)
[23:26] <hggdh> Yassine1, you really should start by reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase
[23:26] <Yassine1> Ok you guys, but read the first link.
[23:27] <Yassine1> Thanks. I will "mature" a little and be back later on.
[23:27] <Yassine1> Bye !
[23:27] <hggdh> Yassine1, thnak you for helping
[23:27] <hggdh> merci beaucoup
[23:27] <Yassine1> (23:27:35) hggdh: Yassine1, thnak you for helping --> that's humour.
[23:28] <Yassine1> You noticed my IRC client speaks french !
[23:28] <Yassine1> De rien ;-D.
[23:28] <hggdh> no, it is not: you are *willing* to help, and that is good.
[23:28]  * porthose agrees with hggdh
[23:28] <Yassine1> Ok, bonne nuit !
[23:28] <hggdh> bonne nuit a toi, et merci
[23:29] <Yassine1> Hey, hggdh, on se reparlera, ça fait plaisir !
[23:29] <hggdh> bien sur
[23:29] <Yassine1> A bientôt.