| j1mc | mdke: would the "draft" watermark issue on the serverguide be modified in the jaunty branch? | 00:14 |
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| mdke | j1mc: I think we're going to need to do a SRU for that, yes | 00:28 |
| j1mc | ah, ok | 00:32 |
| mdke | it's a bit of a silly bug :( | 00:32 |
| mdke | I shouldn't have missed that | 00:33 |
| j1mc | in those cases, how would that work in terms of when we push to the branch, and when the package gets updated? | 00:33 |
| j1mc | yeah - :/ I think I missed that in the last set of Xubuntu docs I worked on. | 00:33 |
| j1mc | I guess I'll have to look at SRU procedures. | 00:33 |
| mdke | j1mc: for something like that, in theory it is easy because it has no impact on translations; we could just upload it and do the regular SRU procedure | 00:33 |
| j1mc | We'll need that for Xubuntu | 00:33 |
| mdke | however, in practice, I think it makes sense to bundle it with any other bugs that we think are worth fixing in jaunty | 00:34 |
| j1mc | right - the Xubuntu change affects translators, so we'll need to do things a little differently. | 00:34 |
| j1mc | ok | 00:34 |
| mdke | I'd like to draft up a scheme we can follow for these situations | 00:35 |
| mdke | Phil gave it a go here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/ServicePacks | 00:35 |
| mdke | but we haven't followed it yet | 00:35 |
| j1mc | The Xubuntu team was just talking yesterday about release procedures. Maybe we could write up the same for Ubuntu-docs. | 00:35 |
| mdke | launchpad has a good way we can target bugs to releases to remember them, so we can use that effectively, I think | 00:35 |
| mdke | I don't know whether we should stick to the "3 month" idea on that page | 00:36 |
| Rocket2DMn | hmm service packs | 00:37 |
| mdke | for a bug like the draft thing, we might want to fix that quickly, whereas we could wait for other bugs | 00:37 |
| j1mc | right | 00:37 |
| mdke | here I am, advocating flexibility again, ugh | 00:37 |
| mdke | :p | 00:37 |
| j1mc | :) | 00:37 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: the name reminds you of Windows, eh? | 00:37 |
| * Rocket2DMn shudders | 00:38 | |
| mdke | hehe | 00:38 |
| mdke | perhaps we could change that name | 00:38 |
| j1mc | didn't Suse start using the phrase Service Packs? :) | 00:38 |
| mdke | I don't know | 00:38 |
| mdke | I bought a netbook for a friend recently, with Suse on it | 00:39 |
| Rocket2DMn | i would think of a service pack as a dot release of an ubuntu version, not something for a specific package | 00:39 |
| mdke | it was totally unusable | 00:39 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: yes, that makes sense | 00:41 |
| dsas_ | one of my friends had one, installed windows xp within a day and hasn't looked back | 00:41 |
| mdke | that's the fear I had, that it gives Linux a bad name | 00:42 |
| mdke | I couldn't install anything, couldn't type proper sentences without SCIM coming in and blocking me, couldn't do anything | 00:42 |
| mdke | thank goodness for UBuntu | 00:43 |
| * dsas_ nods | 00:43 | |
| j1mc | what type of netbook was it? | 00:44 |
| dsas_ | HP | 00:44 |
| mdke | yes, 2133 | 00:44 |
| Rocket2DMn | is bug 357389 fix committed now? | 00:45 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 357389 in ubuntu-docs "Typo in internet" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/357389 | 00:45 |
| Rocket2DMn | i see it fixed in the karmic branch | 00:45 |
| dsas_ | Service pack is just a name, really it'd just be a SRU of ubuntu-docs.2009.04.10 or whatever | 00:45 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: unclear from the bug, feel free to post there if it's fixed | 00:46 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: I haven't seen any commits from Dougie on the karmic branch though | 00:46 |
| Rocket2DMn | mdke, im looking in buntu-doc/internet/C/connecting.xml and it is correct | 00:46 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: ok | 00:47 |
| Rocket2DMn | do typos like this qualify for SRU? | 00:47 |
| Rocket2DMn | it appears that the same patch should apply to the jaunty branch | 00:48 |
| dsas_ | Rocket2DMn: the guidelines for SRU aren't great, the intro says "hi impact bugs" but a bullet point says 'obviously safe patches to applications' | 00:50 |
| Rocket2DMn | dsas_, i agree, it should fit the latter | 00:50 |
| Rocket2DMn | doesnt affect translations | 00:51 |
| mdke | sure it does | 00:51 |
| mdke | any change to a string affects translations | 00:51 |
| Rocket2DMn | its a mispelling | 00:51 |
| Rocket2DMn | how does that affect translation? | 00:51 |
| mdke | when you change a string, the translations for every language have to retranslate it, because it shows up as a new string for them | 00:51 |
| Rocket2DMn | "concfigured" -> "configured" | 00:51 |
| mdke | otherwise, it will show in English in their locale | 00:52 |
| Rocket2DMn | oh, i wasnt aware that it worked like that | 00:52 |
| mdke | yeah, fraid so | 00:52 |
| Rocket2DMn | ok, thanks | 00:53 |
| mdke | we should expand the documentation of this aspect too | 00:53 |
| mdke | it's not so clear from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationStringFreeze | 00:53 |
| mdke | and it's also part of the "service pack" (or whatever we call it) idea so we could have a single clear page explaining these issues | 00:54 |
| Rocket2DMn | ok, should i mark that bug as fix committed though, since it appears fixed in the karmic branch? | 00:54 |
| mdke | yes please | 00:54 |
| dsas_ | we could possibly get an SRU exception granted if we didn't meet the criteria anyway, | 00:55 |
| mdke | absolutely, but we need a system that allows for translation | 00:56 |
| mdke | I don't know if it's worth it for typos | 00:56 |
| mdke | definitely for actual errors in instructions thoguh | 00:56 |
| Rocket2DMn | I would say its worth typos for LTS releases at least, not sure about regular versions though | 00:56 |
| mdke | we could adapt the process for LTS releases | 00:57 |
| j1mc | is it only because of the xml that we get typos? we get too many of them - wish we had better spell-checking. | 00:58 |
| mdke | hmm, I wonder if we could get some spell checking | 00:58 |
| dsas_ | j1mc: use an editor that has a spell check? | 00:58 |
| mdke | are there any services that could notify us of typos from (say) doc.ubuntu.com? | 00:59 |
| mdke | like a spider spellchecking service | 00:59 |
| dsas_ | spellingbot.com | 01:01 |
| Rocket2DMn | could be difficult to get valid spellchecking with all the strange terms that float around | 01:01 |
| Rocket2DMn | package names, directories, etc | 01:01 |
| dsas_ | "Ubuntu" | 01:02 |
| j1mc | :) | 01:02 |
| j1mc | i do not use an editor that has a spellcheck | 01:02 |
| dsas_ | j1mc: Really? What do you use? | 01:03 |
| j1mc | i used geany during the last cycle | 01:04 |
| dsas_ | hmm, looks like most spelling mistakes spellingbot.com finds are valid technical terms, | 01:04 |
| j1mc | i am going to check out oxygen-xml editor. it's proprietary, but works on linux and seems to offer some great features. | 01:05 |
| j1mc | it is not even free as in beer tho | 01:05 |
| j1mc | i'm also going to start using a great new tool called, "get someone else to help me with xubuntu docs." :) | 01:06 |
| dsas_ | j1mc: You can't call fresh blood "tools"! | 01:06 |
| j1mc | didn't mean it in that way. :) | 01:07 |
| * j1mc goes to take a brief nap | 01:08 | |
| dsas_ | I don't think it's worth the translation effort fixing typos in stable releases. Not unless we're going to change that string anyway or the typo has bad consequences. | 01:09 |
| mdke | I agree | 01:15 |
| mdke | a nap sounds like a pretty good idea | 01:17 |
| Rocket2DMn | hehe i napped earlier, and i never do that | 01:17 |
| Rocket2DMn | +1 | 01:17 |
| mdke | it's been a long week | 01:18 |
| mdke | cya all :) | 01:18 |
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| skierpage | Should I use bugs.launchpad.net to report bugs about the generally-excellent ubuntu.com web site? | 04:05 |
| skierpage | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam doesn't say, it only mentions System Documentation and Wiki Documentation. | 04:06 |
| Flannel | !launchpad | 04:08 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/ | 04:08 |
| Flannel | oh | 04:08 |
| Flannel | um | 04:08 |
| Flannel | !bugs | 04:08 |
| ubot4 | If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots | 04:08 |
| Flannel | bother. | 04:08 |
| Flannel | skierpage: http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-website | 04:08 |
| Flannel | file bugs against that | 04:08 |
| Flannel | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website | 04:09 |
| Flannel | obviously. | 04:09 |
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| Hattory | Hi all.... there is a page in help.ubuntu.com/community/ where I can do some style-test? If not, can I make a new one? | 12:50 |
| popey | Hattory: you could use wiki.ubuntu.com as that runs the same engine | 14:48 |
| Hattory | popey: I know, but the help layout is a bit better :D I'm working for a new type of "menu", and I would try it on help.ubuntu.com.... something like this http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/NaldiniPaolo/Prove0 | 14:54 |
| Hattory | popey: anyway it's only a personal experiment ;) | 14:54 |
| popey | I dont think thats a problem | 14:55 |
| Rocket2DMn | Isn't there supposed to be a meeting or something going on right now? | 15:10 |
| DougieRichardson | Tommorow I thought | 15:11 |
| Rocket2DMn | ah i guess you're right | 15:23 |
| Rocket2DMn | the email did come in today | 15:23 |
| philip_ | DougieRichardson: i am unsure what this means "Back on Launchpad, post your patch, let us know what it amends and we'll push it! " -- makes me think a form exists there that'll send to the mailing list | 17:19 |
| philip_ | duh, i just realized this is specific to bugs | 17:20 |
| DougieRichardson | Sorry was away from the keyboard, is this line still accurate if its just for bugs? | 17:23 |
| philip_ | yeah, it's fine... but i guess it could specify like "Find the bug back on launchpad" and/or use the actual lingo from launchpad which appears to be "Add a comment/attachment" | 17:36 |
| philip_ | fine line between writing a simple guide and ending up with a wordy 30 page document i suppose :) | 17:38 |
| DougieRichardson | You're telling me | 17:42 |
| xboy908 | hi | 20:34 |
| xboy908 | I'd like to take part in the documentation | 20:35 |
| xboy908 | process | 20:35 |
| philip_ | sounds like a good idea :) | 20:36 |
| xboy908 | @philip: thanks, are you part of the process too? | 20:37 |
| philip_ | not really, well, i've made one patch | 20:38 |
| xboy908 | about what? | 20:40 |
| philip_ | fixed a simple typo | 20:41 |
| philip_ | are you looking for something to write or how to write or ... ? | 20:42 |
| xboy908 | for something to right, i'm basically interested the whole idea of open-source | 20:43 |
| xboy908 | i mean to write, sorry mis-spelled that | 20:43 |
| philip_ | this was posted today, maybe you would be a good test subject: http://www.lynxworks.eu/files/BugsPlaybook.pdf | 20:43 |
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| xboy908 | thnx | 20:47 |
| xboy908 | but who do i start? | 20:47 |
| philip_ | wherever you want | 20:48 |
| philip_ | do you look foo? write about. do you like bar? write about it... | 20:48 |
| philip_ | do you think foo could use a better example or description? write about it | 20:49 |
| xboy908 | sorry, but what is foo and what is bar? | 20:49 |
| philip_ | oh, foo and bar are typical words people use that can mean anything | 20:50 |
| xboy908 | umm, i get it, u mean x or y | 20:50 |
| philip_ | yeah | 20:51 |
| xboy908 | so, who reviews what i write | 20:52 |
| xboy908 | ? | 20:52 |
| philip_ | people like you, except they've been here a little longer so now commit directly | 20:53 |
| xboy908 | alright | 20:53 |
| xboy908 | how long have u bean here? | 20:53 |
| philip_ | open source is heavily based on peer review... a lot of eye balls | 20:54 |
| philip_ | not long, i mainly work on the php project but like ubuntu too so am lurking here for now | 20:54 |
| xboy908 | what do u on in the php project? | 20:56 |
| philip_ | mostly work on the manual but dabble in most everything | 20:56 |
| xboy908 | umm, u're into programming then? | 20:57 |
| philip_ | sure | 20:57 |
| xboy908 | have u written any open-source application? | 21:02 |
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