[00:14] <j1mc> mdke: would the "draft" watermark issue on the serverguide be modified in the jaunty branch?
[00:28] <mdke> j1mc: I think we're going to need to do a SRU for that, yes
[00:32] <j1mc> ah, ok
[00:32] <mdke> it's a bit of a silly bug :(
[00:33] <mdke> I shouldn't have missed that
[00:33] <j1mc> in those cases, how would that work in terms of when we push to the branch, and when the package gets updated?
[00:33] <j1mc> yeah - :/ I think I missed that in the last set of Xubuntu docs I worked on.
[00:33] <j1mc> I guess I'll have to look at SRU procedures.
[00:33] <mdke> j1mc: for something like that, in theory it is easy because it has no impact on translations; we could just upload it and do the regular SRU procedure
[00:33] <j1mc> We'll need that for Xubuntu
[00:34] <mdke> however, in practice, I think it makes sense to bundle it with any other bugs that we think are worth fixing in jaunty
[00:34] <j1mc> right - the Xubuntu change affects translators, so we'll need to do things a little differently.
[00:34] <j1mc> ok
[00:35] <mdke> I'd like to draft up a scheme we can follow for these situations
[00:35] <mdke> Phil gave it a go here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/ServicePacks
[00:35] <mdke> but we haven't followed it yet
[00:35] <j1mc> The Xubuntu team was just talking yesterday about release procedures. Maybe we could write up the same for Ubuntu-docs.
[00:35] <mdke> launchpad has a good way we can target bugs to releases to remember them, so we can use that effectively, I think
[00:36] <mdke> I don't know whether we should stick to the "3 month" idea on that page
[00:37] <Rocket2DMn> hmm service packs
[00:37] <mdke> for a bug like the draft thing, we might want to fix that quickly, whereas we could wait for other bugs
[00:37] <j1mc> right
[00:37] <mdke> here I am, advocating flexibility again, ugh
[00:37] <mdke> :p
[00:37] <j1mc> :)
[00:37] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: the name reminds you of Windows, eh?
[00:38]  * Rocket2DMn shudders
[00:38] <mdke> hehe
[00:38] <mdke> perhaps we could change that name
[00:38] <j1mc> didn't Suse start using the phrase Service Packs? :)
[00:38] <mdke> I don't know
[00:39] <mdke> I bought a netbook for a friend recently, with Suse on it
[00:39] <Rocket2DMn> i would think of a service pack as a dot release of an ubuntu version, not something for a specific package
[00:39] <mdke> it was totally unusable
[00:41] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: yes, that makes sense
[00:41] <dsas_> one of my friends had one, installed windows xp within a day and hasn't looked back
[00:42] <mdke> that's the fear I had, that it gives Linux a bad name
[00:42] <mdke> I couldn't install anything, couldn't type proper sentences without SCIM coming in and blocking me, couldn't do anything
[00:43] <mdke> thank goodness for UBuntu
[00:43]  * dsas_ nods
[00:44] <j1mc> what type of netbook was it?
[00:44] <dsas_> HP
[00:44] <mdke> yes, 2133
[00:45] <Rocket2DMn> is bug 357389 fix committed now?
[00:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 357389 in ubuntu-docs "Typo in internet" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/357389
[00:45] <Rocket2DMn> i see it fixed in the karmic branch
[00:45] <dsas_> Service pack is just a name, really it'd just be a SRU of ubuntu-docs.2009.04.10 or whatever
[00:46] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: unclear from the bug, feel free to post there if it's fixed
[00:46] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: I haven't seen any commits from Dougie on the karmic branch though
[00:46] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, im looking in buntu-doc/internet/C/connecting.xml and it is correct
[00:47] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: ok
[00:47] <Rocket2DMn> do typos like this qualify for SRU?
[00:48] <Rocket2DMn> it appears that the same patch should apply to the jaunty branch
[00:50] <dsas_> Rocket2DMn: the guidelines for SRU aren't great, the intro says "hi impact bugs" but a bullet point says 'obviously safe patches to applications'
[00:50] <Rocket2DMn> dsas_, i agree, it should fit the latter
[00:51] <Rocket2DMn> doesnt affect translations
[00:51] <mdke> sure it does
[00:51] <mdke> any change to a string affects translations
[00:51] <Rocket2DMn> its a mispelling
[00:51] <Rocket2DMn> how does that affect translation?
[00:51] <mdke> when you change a string, the translations for every language have to retranslate it, because it shows up as a new string for them
[00:51] <Rocket2DMn> "concfigured" -> "configured"
[00:52] <mdke> otherwise, it will show in English in their locale
[00:52] <Rocket2DMn> oh, i wasnt aware that it worked like that
[00:52] <mdke> yeah, fraid so
[00:53] <Rocket2DMn> ok, thanks
[00:53] <mdke> we should expand the documentation of this aspect too
[00:53] <mdke> it's not so clear from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationStringFreeze
[00:54] <mdke> and it's also part of the "service pack" (or whatever we call it) idea so we could have a single clear page explaining these issues
[00:54] <Rocket2DMn> ok, should i mark that bug as fix committed though, since it appears fixed in the karmic branch?
[00:54] <mdke> yes please
[00:55] <dsas_>  we could possibly get an SRU exception granted if we didn't meet the criteria anyway,
[00:56] <mdke> absolutely, but we need a system that allows for translation
[00:56] <mdke> I don't know if it's worth it for typos
[00:56] <mdke> definitely for actual errors in instructions thoguh
[00:56] <Rocket2DMn> I would say its worth typos for LTS releases at least, not sure about regular versions though
[00:57] <mdke> we could adapt the process for LTS releases
[00:58] <j1mc> is it only because of the xml that we get typos? we get too many of them - wish we had better spell-checking.
[00:58] <mdke> hmm, I wonder if we could get some spell checking
[00:58] <dsas_> j1mc: use an editor that has a spell check?
[00:59] <mdke> are there any services that could notify us of typos from (say) doc.ubuntu.com?
[00:59] <mdke> like a spider spellchecking service
[01:01] <dsas_> spellingbot.com
[01:01] <Rocket2DMn> could be difficult to get valid spellchecking with all the strange terms that float around
[01:01] <Rocket2DMn> package names, directories, etc
[01:02] <dsas_> "Ubuntu"
[01:02] <j1mc> :)
[01:02] <j1mc> i do not use an editor that has a spellcheck
[01:03] <dsas_> j1mc: Really? What do you use?
[01:04] <j1mc> i used geany during the last cycle
[01:04] <dsas_> hmm, looks like most spelling mistakes spellingbot.com finds are valid technical terms,
[01:05] <j1mc> i am going to check out oxygen-xml editor. it's proprietary, but works on linux and seems to offer some great features.
[01:05] <j1mc> it is not even free as in beer tho
[01:06] <j1mc> i'm also going to start using a great new tool called, "get someone else to help me with xubuntu docs." :)
[01:06] <dsas_> j1mc: You can't call fresh blood "tools"!
[01:07] <j1mc> didn't mean it in that way. :)
[01:08]  * j1mc goes to take a brief nap
[01:09] <dsas_> I don't think it's worth the translation effort fixing typos in stable releases. Not unless we're going to change that string anyway or the typo has bad consequences.
[01:15] <mdke> I agree
[01:17] <mdke> a nap sounds like a pretty good idea
[01:17] <Rocket2DMn> hehe i napped earlier, and i never do that
[01:17] <Rocket2DMn> +1
[01:18] <mdke> it's been a long week
[01:18] <mdke> cya all :)
[04:05] <skierpage> Should I use bugs.launchpad.net to report bugs about the generally-excellent ubuntu.com web site?
[04:06] <skierpage> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam doesn't say, it only mentions System Documentation and Wiki Documentation.
[04:08] <Flannel> !launchpad
[04:08] <ubot4> Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[04:08] <Flannel> oh
[04:08] <Flannel> um
[04:08] <Flannel> !bugs
[04:08] <ubot4> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[04:08] <Flannel> bother.
[04:08] <Flannel> skierpage: http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-website
[04:08] <Flannel> file bugs against that
[04:09] <Flannel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website
[04:09] <Flannel> obviously.
[12:50] <Hattory> Hi all.... there is a page in help.ubuntu.com/community/ where I can do some style-test? If not, can I make a new one?
[14:48] <popey> Hattory: you could use wiki.ubuntu.com as that runs the same engine
[14:54] <Hattory> popey: I know, but the help layout is a bit better :D I'm working for a new type of "menu", and I would try it on help.ubuntu.com.... something like this http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/NaldiniPaolo/Prove0
[14:54] <Hattory> popey: anyway it's only a personal experiment ;)
[14:55] <popey> I dont think thats a problem
[15:10] <Rocket2DMn> Isn't there supposed to be a meeting or something going on right now?
[15:11] <DougieRichardson> Tommorow I thought
[15:23] <Rocket2DMn> ah i guess you're right
[15:23] <Rocket2DMn> the email did come in today
[17:19] <philip_> DougieRichardson: i am unsure what this means "Back on Launchpad, post your patch, let us know what it amends and we'll push it! " -- makes me think a form exists there that'll send to the mailing list
[17:20] <philip_> duh, i just realized this is specific to bugs
[17:23] <DougieRichardson> Sorry was away from the keyboard, is this line still accurate if its just for bugs?
[17:36] <philip_> yeah, it's fine... but i guess it could specify like "Find the bug back on launchpad" and/or use the actual lingo from launchpad which appears to be "Add a comment/attachment"
[17:38] <philip_> fine line between writing a simple guide and ending up with a wordy 30 page document i suppose  :)
[17:42] <DougieRichardson> You're telling me
[20:34] <xboy908> hi
[20:35] <xboy908> I'd like to take part in the documentation
[20:35] <xboy908> process
[20:36] <philip_> sounds like a good idea :)
[20:37] <xboy908> @philip: thanks, are you part of the process too?
[20:38] <philip_> not really, well, i've made one patch
[20:40] <xboy908> about what?
[20:41] <philip_> fixed a simple typo
[20:42] <philip_> are you looking for something to write or how to write or ... ?
[20:43] <xboy908> for something to right, i'm basically interested the whole idea of open-source
[20:43] <xboy908> i mean to write, sorry mis-spelled that
[20:43] <philip_> this was posted today, maybe you would be a good test subject: http://www.lynxworks.eu/files/BugsPlaybook.pdf
[20:47] <xboy908> thnx
[20:47] <xboy908> but who do i start?
[20:48] <philip_> wherever you want
[20:48] <philip_> do you look foo? write about. do you like bar? write about it...
[20:49] <philip_> do you think foo could use a better example or description? write about it
[20:49] <xboy908> sorry, but what is foo and what is bar?
[20:50] <philip_> oh, foo and bar are typical words people use that can mean anything
[20:50] <xboy908> umm, i get it, u mean x or y
[20:51] <philip_> yeah
[20:52] <xboy908> so, who reviews what i write
[20:52] <xboy908> ?
[20:53] <philip_> people like you, except they've been here a little longer so now commit directly
[20:53] <xboy908> alright
[20:53] <xboy908> how long have u bean here?
[20:54] <philip_> open source is heavily based on peer review... a lot of eye balls
[20:54] <philip_> not long, i mainly work on the php project but like ubuntu too so am lurking here for now
[20:56] <xboy908> what do u on in the php project?
[20:56] <philip_> mostly work on the manual but dabble in most everything
[20:57] <xboy908> umm, u're into programming then?
[20:57] <philip_> sure
[21:02] <xboy908> have u written any open-source application?