| Monika|K | but so far what people reported on kubuntu-de.org after trying it was that it didn't make a difference for them | 00:00 |
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| DreadKnight | i'm an artist...into design/graphics and such | 00:01 |
| DreadKnight | blender/gimp/inkscape and all that stuff | 00:01 |
| Monika|K | with really large or detailed graphics that require lots of RAM for editing? | 00:01 |
| Monika|K | then it might make a difference | 00:01 |
| DreadKnight | for checking mail and watching movies or chatting i think it won't make a difference anyway | 00:01 |
| Monika|K | yeah | 00:02 |
| Monika|K | for that one can use one's netbook ^^ | 00:02 |
| DreadKnight | yeah | 00:02 |
| Monika|K | I <3 my Netbook ... it fits into my handback ... it's red and pretty ... :) | 00:04 |
| DreadKnight | hehe | 00:06 |
| DreadKnight | have pics? | 00:06 |
| Monika|K | http://www.cyberport.de/default/9095/9000/0/0/default.html?showAllManufacturers=0&HERSTELLER=47 scroll down till you see a red one | 00:07 |
| Monika|K | s/handback/handbag | 00:08 |
| Monika|K | I can't spell past midnight | 00:08 |
| DreadKnight | no worries | 00:09 |
| DreadKnight | Monika|K: that looks very nice; so it's not only apple producing nice hardware after all :P | 00:09 |
| DreadKnight | did the white parts got yellowish or dirty so far i wonder | 00:10 |
| Monika|K | no, not at all | 00:10 |
| DreadKnight | ^^ | 00:11 |
| Monika|K | well, some keys | 00:11 |
| Monika|K | food <--> computing | 00:11 |
| DreadKnight | haha | 00:11 |
| DreadKnight | i really have audio jacks in the front on my tablet pc | 00:11 |
| DreadKnight | pushes me into the belly when watching movies in bed and ruins the headphone jack... | 00:11 |
| DreadKnight | seems yours has them on the right side.. nice | 00:11 |
| Monika|K | and one USB left and one right | 00:12 |
| Monika|K | not over each other like on my laptop | 00:12 |
| Monika|K | where they get into each other's way | 00:12 |
| DreadKnight | mhm | 00:13 |
| DreadKnight | i have 2 on left side and one on the back side | 00:13 |
| DreadKnight | but i see your point | 00:13 |
| ScottK-palm | o/ | 00:45 |
| bokey | ScottK: ping | 00:53 |
| ScottK-palm | bokey: pong. | 00:55 |
| bokey | ScottK-palm: oh sorry. yeah the upgrade went smoothly yesterday. do you want the log i saved? | 00:55 |
| bokey | 4.2.0 -> 4.2.2 | 00:56 |
| ScottK-palm | Yes. Please. | 00:56 |
| bokey | ScottK-palm: hang on a sec | 00:56 |
| ScottK-palm | Please mail it to scott at kitterman dot com | 00:56 |
| bokey | ScottK-palm: sure | 00:58 |
| ScottK-palm | Riddell: After I review bokey's report, I'm planning to push 4.2.2 to intrepid-backports. | 01:00 |
| DreadKnight | yey, one more reason to downgrade to intrepid | 01:02 |
| joshjtl | joshjtl: hey folks where can i get an older ubuntu official kernell? I want 2.6.27 | 01:36 |
| ScottK | bokey: Got it. Haven't looked at it yet. | 01:42 |
| JontheEchidna | Quintasan: So i herd u liek adept, so I put adept in your kpackagekit so that you can install while you install | 01:55 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, I forgot to start it with "sup dawg" | 01:57 |
| ScottK | bokey: One complication .... | 01:57 |
| ScottK | KDE 4.2.2 needs a newer libical0 than we have in Intrepid. To backport that, we need to test it with the other rdepends. | 01:58 |
| ScottK | bokey: Up for some more testing? | 01:58 |
| bokey | ScottK: sorry was detached. what do i need to do? | 02:21 |
| bokey | i have libical0 (0.43-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1) installed | 02:27 |
| ScottK-desktop | Right, so if you look at apt-cache rdepends libical0 we need to see if those packages work with your libical0 | 02:33 |
| ScottK-desktop | There's a few. | 02:33 |
| bokey | yep | 02:34 |
| ScottK-desktop | Your log looked good. I think this is the only blocker. | 02:35 |
| bokey | ScottK: so you want the output? | 02:36 |
| ScottK-desktop | bokey: I'm good with a bug against intrepid-backports asking for a backport of libical from Jaunty and listing which ones you tested and that they work. | 02:40 |
| bokey | ScottK-desktop: ok just pulled osmo which uses libical0 (0.43-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1). works fine | 02:41 |
| bokey | osmo's ver - 0.2.0-1ubuntu0.1 | 02:42 |
| ScottK-desktop | bokey: Just work through the list and put it in the bug. | 02:42 |
| bokey | ScottK-desktop: how about i mail it to ya? | 02:42 |
| ScottK-desktop | bokey: From a process perspective I need the bug. It's really better if I don't file it myself since I have to approve it. | 02:43 |
| bokey | ScottK-desktop: url? | 02:51 |
| ScottK-desktop | SUre. | 02:51 |
| ScottK-desktop | bokey: https://launchpad.net/intrepid-backports/+filebug | 02:51 |
| bokey | ScottK-desktop: so basically you want me to work through list of rdepends of libical0 and then file a bug report for? | 02:53 |
| ScottK-desktop | Saying Please backport libical (insert exact version) from Jaunty to Intrepid. | 02:54 |
| bokey | kewl | 02:54 |
| ScottK-desktop | Then in the body of the bug say it builds, installs, runs and you tested the following rdepends .... | 02:54 |
| bokey | yep | 02:55 |
| bokey | will do that in an couple of hours (gtg for now) | 02:55 |
| bokey | see ya | 02:55 |
| ScottK-desktop | OK. | 02:55 |
| JontheEchidna | whoa, nice. Our automoc delta with debian is just debian/changelog and the Maintainer: field | 03:09 |
| ScottK-desktop | \o/ | 03:10 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, I'm looking at merges already :P | 03:12 |
| JontheEchidna | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KarmicKDEMerges | 03:12 |
| JontheEchidna | not for KDE or anything, but for stuff that is'nt likely to change soon | 03:13 |
| JontheEchidna | 4.2.3 is tagged in four days | 03:14 |
| _Sime | that's a pleasant surprise. KDE4'ed kdiff3. | 09:33 |
| markey | You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has | 10:04 |
| markey | been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are | 10:04 |
| markey | being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at | 10:04 |
| markey | kubuntu-devel-owner@lists.ubuntu.com. | 10:04 |
| markey | hum | 10:04 |
| markey | my mail was pretty important, yep ;) | 10:04 |
| * markey subscribes | 10:05 | |
| markey | Nightrose: tried to CC kubuntu-devel, but the mail got rejected | 10:31 |
| markey | so I'm subscribing, and will try to send again | 10:32 |
| Nightrose | ok | 10:32 |
| Nightrose | man I should go packing my stuff and get the next train | 10:32 |
| Nightrose | meh | 10:32 |
| markey | :) | 10:32 |
| Quintasan | Hiho | 11:41 |
| Mamarok | I just managed to crash SystemSettings twice in a row: | 12:16 |
| Mamarok | SystemSettings -> keyboard&Mouse -> click on Mouse and it hangs | 12:17 |
| ghostcube | Mamarok, works fine here so far oO | 12:21 |
| Mamarok | hm, what is wrong on my system then | 12:22 |
| Mamarok | 4 times in a row now, so reproducible every time for me | 12:22 |
| usr | hi | 12:27 |
| ghostcube | hmm update problem from the experimental ppa and the network-manager-kde package | 12:42 |
| ghostcube | wants to kick plasma-widget-network-manager | 12:42 |
| Riddell | ScottK-desktop: excellent (4.2.2 to backports) | 12:45 |
| Riddell | markey: I can whitelist you if you don't want to subscribe | 12:49 |
| Riddell | infact I could whitelist *amarok* if that might be useful | 12:49 |
| ghostcube | hmm should i just remove the plasma widget | 12:52 |
| ghostcube | and install network-manager-kde | 12:52 |
| a|wen | ghostcube: do you want to have the widget or the knetworkmanager? | 13:15 |
| markey | Riddell: thanks, but subscribing is fine, gmail can handle many filters ;) anyway, could you accept my subscription request? | 13:20 |
| Riddell | hmm? I shouldn't need to accept anything | 13:24 |
| Riddell | you just need to confirm it when the confirm e-mail arrives | 13:24 |
| markey | I never got one. it said the submission request is gonna be evaluated, I think | 13:25 |
| markey | maybe someone changed the settings recently? | 13:26 |
| markey | anyway, in that case you should have got an admin request | 13:26 |
| markey | s/submission/subscription | 13:26 |
| Quintasan | anyone compiled new amarok? | 13:27 |
| Quintasan | oh my, looks like I was missing build deps :/ | 13:29 |
| Riddell | markey: just spam in the moderation queue | 13:31 |
| Riddell | markey: what's your address? I can subscribe you manually | 13:31 |
| markey | strange, maybe I mistyped my email address then, it's possible | 13:31 |
| markey | kretschmann@kde.org | 13:31 |
| Riddell | Successfully subscribed: | 13:32 |
| Riddell | kretschmann@kde.org | 13:32 |
| markey | cheers :) | 13:32 |
| markey | ok, gonna resend my mail | 13:32 |
| * Riddell whitelists @kde.org for good measure | 13:32 | |
| Quintasan | Riddell: who should I poke for having mask on irc? | 13:34 |
| ikonia | Quintasan: #freenode | 13:37 |
| Quintasan | ikonia: hmm, ok thanks | 13:37 |
| e-jat | anyone successfully play 3gp file in jaunty ? | 14:10 |
| e-jat | video+sound ? | 14:10 |
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| neversfelde | e-jat: Support is in #kubuntu | 14:22 |
| e-jat | neversfelde: k thanks .. | 14:22 |
| ghostcube | a|wen, have been away sorry | 15:29 |
| ghostcube | you cant decide what you want if you have the ppa opened it will say its conflicting with plasma | 15:29 |
| ghostcube | if you do dist-upgrade | 15:29 |
| a|wen | are we on intrepid or jaunty? | 15:32 |
| a|wen | which ppa? and i take that you are trying to install the plasma-widget-network-manager? | 15:33 |
| ghostcube | a|wen, the experimental ppa moment iam searching | 15:36 |
| ghostcube | and i just do dist-upgrade | 15:36 |
| a|wen | on intrepid? | 15:36 |
| ghostcube | jaunty sorry | 15:36 |
| ghostcube | deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu jaunty main | 15:36 |
| a|wen | ghostcube: can you pastebin the error you get from the dist-upgrade? | 15:38 |
| ghostcube | yep moment pls | 15:38 |
| Gon | it is advisable to use kubuntu-experimental jaunty? | 15:39 |
| Gon | I have some issues with plasma | 15:40 |
| ghostcube | http://pastie.org/458647 a|wen sorry its german | 15:40 |
| ghostcube | its claiming only about an desktop file | 15:41 |
| ghostcube | i think this isnt very hard to fix | 15:41 |
| Gon | After a while of use, the icons disappear and are drawn down the desktop | 15:41 |
| ghostcube | Gon, on jaunty ? i dont have any probs so far except two updates dont want to work one is ubuntu related so i mentioned it in ubuntu#motu i hope it will be fixed | 15:43 |
| ghostcube | :D | 15:43 |
| a|wen | ghostcube: that file probably got moved around ... it's an old upload don't even know if it is relevant anymore | 15:44 |
| a|wen | Gon: there is nothing in the experimental PPA that will do any difference to that | 15:44 |
| ghostcube | a|wen, oh ok no prob then i deactivate the repo for now | 15:44 |
| Gon | Plasma is still the only problematic, but unfortunately is the most visible | 15:45 |
| a|wen | ghostcube: there doesn't seem to be anything "good" in it for jaunty atm | 15:45 |
| ghostcube | a|wen, ok thx for respond :) i will just comment it till something "good" is back ;) | 15:45 |
| a|wen | Gon: sounds like a strange issue ... the first time i hear about something like that | 15:46 |
| ghostcube | Gon, maybe driver related for the video card ? | 15:46 |
| Gon | maybe | 15:47 |
| Gon | i have intel xD | 15:47 |
| ghostcube | what card is this | 15:47 |
| ghostcube | oh | 15:47 |
| ghostcube | hmm on nvidia my probs are gone for now | 15:47 |
| ghostcube | qt 4.5 and 180.44 helped | 15:47 |
| Gon | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) | 15:47 |
| ubottu | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=3&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 3 | Source imported | 15:47 |
| Gon | I going to take a screenshot when it occurs | 15:49 |
| Gon | occurs with and without compositing | 15:50 |
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| === magickdrums is now known as Gon | ||
| ScottK | Gon: Look at the Jaunty release notes on Intel video problems. | 16:24 |
| Gon | link? | 16:26 |
| ScottK | Gon: Look on the web site. User support questions really belong in #kubuntu and if you aren't interested enough in solving your problem to look up the release notes, I'm certainly not interested enough in it to look it up for you. | 16:28 |
| Gon | O_O | 16:28 |
| Gon | if I had no interest would not have asked | 16:29 |
| Gon | :/ | 16:29 |
| ScottK | Sorry if that seemed harsh, but I'd have to look up the URL and it's approximately as much work for me to look it up as it is for you. | 16:30 |
| Gon | I had suggested to add Option "AccelMethod" "UXA" | 16:32 |
| Gon | in my xorg.conf | 16:32 |
| Gon | D: | 16:32 |
| Gon | :s | 16:32 |
| ScottK | UXA is one option that works for some. I found it unstable. | 16:32 |
| * Gon restarting and testing | 16:33 | |
| shtylman | Gon: ScottK: same problem I was taking about two days aggo | 16:59 |
| shtylman | *ago | 16:59 |
| shtylman | happens on my nvidial with dual screen | 16:59 |
| shtylman | but havn't seen it happen on another comp with nvidia single screen | 16:59 |
| Gon | ! | 16:59 |
| ScottK | shtylman: Yes, but he was also talking about artifacts and stuff which has some Intel specific suckage on Jaunty. | 17:00 |
| shtylman | Gon: the quick fix to get icons and stuff back is to restart plasma: $> kquitapp plasma && sleep 1 && plasma | 17:01 |
| Gon | yes | 17:01 |
| * Gon kills plasma and restart again | 17:01 | |
| shtylman | ScottK: I see...well, it seemed like the problem he described (loosing icons) is exactly what I am seeing | 17:01 |
| shtylman | might be more severe for intel...dunno | 17:01 |
| shtylman | it really is the weirdest bug though... | 17:02 |
| ScottK | It may be I read too quickly, but if you're using the stock config for Intel on Jaunty, life will suck, so solving that is the first thing, IMO. | 17:02 |
| shtylman | cause plasma is still there...just starge like decomposing itself :) | 17:02 |
| Gon | I add Option "DRI" "off" | 17:03 |
| Gon | but i can activate compositing :| | 17:03 |
| Gon | how this can be possible? D: | 17:04 |
| shtylman | ScottK: is there a better config than stock? ive always run with stock on my laptop (has intel) and seemed fine... | 17:04 |
| shtylman | Gon: software rendering? | 17:04 |
| ScottK | shtylman: For Intel you either want UXA or EXA with the Greedy migration heuristic for almost all systems. | 17:04 |
| Gon | doesn't look slow like software rendering, but... maybe | 17:05 |
| ScottK | The problem is that both of those are unstable on some systems, so neither is suitable for default. | 17:05 |
| Gon | Compositing type: OpenGL | 17:05 |
| Gon | D: | 17:05 |
| shtylman | gotcha | 17:06 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: bug 345076 is really not kde4libs is it? | 18:57 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/345076/+text) | 18:57 |
| hunger | Will there be qt 4.5.1 and qtcreator updates for jaunty? | 19:16 |
| smarter | Qt 4.5.1 won't be in Jaunty soon, due to regressions and the fact that a lot of people use -backports | 19:19 |
| smarter | but it might appears in a PPA | 19:19 |
| smarter | no idea for Qt Creator | 19:19 |
| smarter | *appear | 19:20 |
| hunger | Damn... jaunty isen't even out for a week now and I already need to upgrade to klumpsy kakadu (or whatever it will be called):-/ | 19:42 |
| apachelogger | smarter: is there ever gonna be a new kepas? | 19:43 |
| hunger | debian already has qt 4.5.1 and the new qtcreator. | 19:45 |
| smarter | not in their stable repository. | 19:45 |
| smarter | apachelogger: no idea | 19:46 |
| smarter | that whole sharing stuff needs to be done at a more general level anyway | 19:46 |
| hunger | smarter: Well, I usually do not run stable releases of ubuntu either:-) | 19:47 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: wanna update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/KDE | 19:57 |
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| apachelogger | !info codeine | 20:15 |
| ubottu | codeine (source: codeine): Simple KDE video player. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-3.dfsg-3 (jaunty), package size 169 kB, installed size 584 kB | 20:15 |
| apachelogger | hihi | 20:15 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: codeine needs removal request | 20:15 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Why? It only uses kdelibs, so it should still be installable, working, etc. | 20:20 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: unmaintained upstream | 20:20 |
| apachelogger | superseded by dragonplayer | 20:20 |
| ScottK | Does it still work? | 20:22 |
| apachelogger | *shrug* | 20:22 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: there is no point in keeping it around, dragonplayer is featuring the same basic interface with more functionality | 20:23 |
| ScottK | OK. Should we add a replaces to dragonplayer then? | 20:24 |
| apachelogger | yup | 20:24 |
| apachelogger | if there is not already one | 20:24 |
| Sput | what about kaffeine? | 20:31 |
| Sput | last time I tested the kde4 version, it looked quite decent | 20:31 |
| * ScottK looks around for someone who cares about it enough to do the paperwork. | 20:31 | |
| ScottK | Sput: We'll upgrade that at some point. | 20:32 |
| Sput | (and I have tons of trouble with dragonplayer, which *still* can't properly skip in files) | 20:32 |
| Sput | I see :) | 20:32 |
| seele | hmm.. major fail on upgrading a hardy box to jaunty | 20:39 |
| ScottK | Really. I did one and it was without problems. | 20:40 |
| ScottK | What was the problem? | 20:40 |
| seele | i dont know what's broken.. screen just goes blank after booting, but i can't kill X or use Ctrl F2 to get to a terminal | 20:40 |
| seele | i dunno yet.. rebooting | 20:40 |
| apachelogger | Sput: poke eean and vir with it :P | 20:41 |
| seele | hmm.. looks like a kernel problem | 20:43 |
| seele | older kernel worked | 20:43 |
| ScottK | Proprietary video driver that needs updating maybe? | 20:44 |
| seele | uhm.. do i use jockey for that? | 20:46 |
| seele | argh, have an angry fiance yelling about his broken computer | 20:47 |
| seele | where is the log for when the system is spitting out messages after the intial boot? when stuff goes [OK] [OK] [Failed]? | 20:51 |
| ScottK | Probably /var/log/syslog if no where else. | 20:52 |
| ScottK | seele: If it is a kernel issue you can probably boot into the old kernel and have it ~work. | 20:54 |
| seele | ScottK: yeah, that's what i've done for now.. but that's not good enough apparently | 20:54 |
| * ScottK really needs to go find the 6 year old, so hopes apachelogger can help. | 20:54 | |
| seele | justin wants it *working*, not broken | 20:54 |
| seele | ballet? hehe | 20:55 |
| ScottK | No, just not where I can hear her anymore. | 20:55 |
| ghostcube | question since i installed mysqlserver 5.0 akonadi-server is on the autoremove packages | 21:18 |
| ghostcube | normal or bug to mention ? | 21:19 |
| ghostcube | and akonadi-kde | 21:20 |
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| claydoh | any way to determine what is causing this bug: 367495 | 22:55 |
| claydoh | bug 367495 | 22:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 367495 in ubuntu "[intrepid]: no upgrade notification for jaunty received, manual attempt says nothing to upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/367495 | 22:55 |
| Riddell | claydoh: check what's in /etc/lsb_release ? | 23:02 |
| claydoh | ok, mailing list user can't upgrade a vanilla intrepid to jaunty | 23:03 |
| lex79 | claydoh: /etc/lsb-release not /etc/lsb_release | 23:18 |
| claydoh | sure? | 23:19 |
| lex79 | yes | 23:19 |
| claydoh | well the command argument is lsb_release -a, so it is easy to mung up :) | 23:19 |
| lex79 | in Jaunty is lsb-release, I don't remember if in intrepid is lsb_release, strange :) | 23:20 |
| claydoh | well her in jaunty land, the command is lsb_release -a, the other does not work ;) | 23:21 |
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