[00:00] but so far what people reported on kubuntu-de.org after trying it was that it didn't make a difference for them [00:01] i'm an artist...into design/graphics and such [00:01] blender/gimp/inkscape and all that stuff [00:01] with really large or detailed graphics that require lots of RAM for editing? [00:01] then it might make a difference [00:01] for checking mail and watching movies or chatting i think it won't make a difference anyway [00:02] yeah [00:02] for that one can use one's netbook ^^ [00:02] yeah [00:04] I <3 my Netbook ... it fits into my handback ... it's red and pretty ... :) [00:06] hehe [00:06] have pics? [00:07] http://www.cyberport.de/default/9095/9000/0/0/default.html?showAllManufacturers=0&HERSTELLER=47 scroll down till you see a red one [00:08] s/handback/handbag [00:08] I can't spell past midnight [00:09] no worries [00:09] Monika|K: that looks very nice; so it's not only apple producing nice hardware after all :P [00:10] did the white parts got yellowish or dirty so far i wonder [00:10] no, not at all [00:11] ^^ [00:11] well, some keys [00:11] food <--> computing [00:11] haha [00:11] i really have audio jacks in the front on my tablet pc [00:11] pushes me into the belly when watching movies in bed and ruins the headphone jack... [00:11] seems yours has them on the right side.. nice [00:12] and one USB left and one right [00:12] not over each other like on my laptop [00:12] where they get into each other's way [00:13] mhm [00:13] i have 2 on left side and one on the back side [00:13] but i see your point [00:45] o/ [00:53] ScottK: ping [00:55] bokey: pong. [00:55] ScottK-palm: oh sorry. yeah the upgrade went smoothly yesterday. do you want the log i saved? [00:56] 4.2.0 -> 4.2.2 [00:56] Yes. Please. [00:56] ScottK-palm: hang on a sec [00:56] Please mail it to scott at kitterman dot com [00:58] ScottK-palm: sure [01:00] Riddell: After I review bokey's report, I'm planning to push 4.2.2 to intrepid-backports. [01:02] yey, one more reason to downgrade to intrepid [01:36] joshjtl: hey folks where can i get an older ubuntu official kernell? I want 2.6.27 [01:42] bokey: Got it. Haven't looked at it yet. [01:55] Quintasan: So i herd u liek adept, so I put adept in your kpackagekit so that you can install while you install [01:57] oh, I forgot to start it with "sup dawg" [01:57] bokey: One complication .... [01:58] KDE 4.2.2 needs a newer libical0 than we have in Intrepid. To backport that, we need to test it with the other rdepends. [01:58] bokey: Up for some more testing? [02:21] ScottK: sorry was detached. what do i need to do? [02:27] i have libical0 (0.43-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1) installed [02:33] Right, so if you look at apt-cache rdepends libical0 we need to see if those packages work with your libical0 [02:33] There's a few. [02:34] yep [02:35] Your log looked good. I think this is the only blocker. [02:36] ScottK: so you want the output? [02:40] bokey: I'm good with a bug against intrepid-backports asking for a backport of libical from Jaunty and listing which ones you tested and that they work. [02:41] ScottK-desktop: ok just pulled osmo which uses libical0 (0.43-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1). works fine [02:42] osmo's ver - 0.2.0-1ubuntu0.1 [02:42] bokey: Just work through the list and put it in the bug. [02:42] ScottK-desktop: how about i mail it to ya? [02:43] bokey: From a process perspective I need the bug. It's really better if I don't file it myself since I have to approve it. [02:51] ScottK-desktop: url? [02:51] SUre. [02:51] bokey: https://launchpad.net/intrepid-backports/+filebug [02:53] ScottK-desktop: so basically you want me to work through list of rdepends of libical0 and then file a bug report for? [02:54] Saying Please backport libical (insert exact version) from Jaunty to Intrepid. [02:54] kewl [02:54] Then in the body of the bug say it builds, installs, runs and you tested the following rdepends .... [02:55] yep [02:55] will do that in an couple of hours (gtg for now) [02:55] see ya [02:55] OK. [03:09] whoa, nice. Our automoc delta with debian is just debian/changelog and the Maintainer: field [03:10] \o/ [03:12] yeah, I'm looking at merges already :P [03:12] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KarmicKDEMerges [03:13] not for KDE or anything, but for stuff that is'nt likely to change soon [03:14] 4.2.3 is tagged in four days [09:33] <_Sime> that's a pleasant surprise. KDE4'ed kdiff3. 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[10:04] hum [10:04] my mail was pretty important, yep ;) [10:05] * markey subscribes [10:31] Nightrose: tried to CC kubuntu-devel, but the mail got rejected [10:32] so I'm subscribing, and will try to send again [10:32] ok [10:32] man I should go packing my stuff and get the next train [10:32] meh [10:32] :) [11:41] Hiho [12:16] I just managed to crash SystemSettings twice in a row: [12:17] SystemSettings -> keyboard&Mouse -> click on Mouse and it hangs [12:21] Mamarok, works fine here so far oO [12:22] hm, what is wrong on my system then [12:22] 4 times in a row now, so reproducible every time for me [12:27] hi [12:42] hmm update problem from the experimental ppa and the network-manager-kde package [12:42] wants to kick plasma-widget-network-manager [12:45] ScottK-desktop: excellent (4.2.2 to backports) [12:49] markey: I can whitelist you if you don't want to subscribe [12:49] infact I could whitelist *amarok* if that might be useful [12:52] hmm should i just remove the plasma widget [12:52] and install network-manager-kde [13:15] ghostcube: do you want to have the widget or the knetworkmanager? [13:20] Riddell: thanks, but subscribing is fine, gmail can handle many filters ;) anyway, could you accept my subscription request? [13:24] hmm? I shouldn't need to accept anything [13:24] you just need to confirm it when the confirm e-mail arrives [13:25] I never got one. it said the submission request is gonna be evaluated, I think [13:26] maybe someone changed the settings recently? [13:26] anyway, in that case you should have got an admin request [13:26] s/submission/subscription [13:27] anyone compiled new amarok? [13:29] oh my, looks like I was missing build deps :/ [13:31] markey: just spam in the moderation queue [13:31] markey: what's your address? I can subscribe you manually [13:31] strange, maybe I mistyped my email address then, it's possible [13:31] kretschmann@kde.org [13:32] Successfully subscribed: [13:32] kretschmann@kde.org [13:32] cheers :) [13:32] ok, gonna resend my mail [13:32] * Riddell whitelists @kde.org for good measure [13:34] Riddell: who should I poke for having mask on irc? [13:37] Quintasan: #freenode [13:37] ikonia: hmm, ok thanks [14:10] anyone successfully play 3gp file in jaunty ? [14:10] video+sound ? === barteqx is now known as siekacz [14:22] e-jat: Support is in #kubuntu [14:22] neversfelde: k thanks .. [15:29] a|wen, have been away sorry [15:29] you cant decide what you want if you have the ppa opened it will say its conflicting with plasma [15:29] if you do dist-upgrade [15:32] are we on intrepid or jaunty? [15:33] which ppa? and i take that you are trying to install the plasma-widget-network-manager? [15:36] a|wen, the experimental ppa moment iam searching [15:36] and i just do dist-upgrade [15:36] on intrepid? [15:36] jaunty sorry [15:36] deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu jaunty main [15:38] ghostcube: can you pastebin the error you get from the dist-upgrade? [15:38] yep moment pls [15:39] it is advisable to use kubuntu-experimental jaunty? [15:40] I have some issues with plasma [15:40] http://pastie.org/458647 a|wen sorry its german [15:41] its claiming only about an desktop file [15:41] i think this isnt very hard to fix [15:41] After a while of use, the icons disappear and are drawn down the desktop [15:43] Gon, on jaunty ? i dont have any probs so far except two updates dont want to work one is ubuntu related so i mentioned it in ubuntu#motu i hope it will be fixed [15:43] :D [15:44] ghostcube: that file probably got moved around ... it's an old upload don't even know if it is relevant anymore [15:44] Gon: there is nothing in the experimental PPA that will do any difference to that [15:44] a|wen, oh ok no prob then i deactivate the repo for now [15:45] Plasma is still the only problematic, but unfortunately is the most visible [15:45] ghostcube: there doesn't seem to be anything "good" in it for jaunty atm [15:45] a|wen, ok thx for respond :) i will just comment it till something "good" is back ;) [15:46] Gon: sounds like a strange issue ... the first time i hear about something like that [15:46] Gon, maybe driver related for the video card ? [15:47] maybe [15:47] i have intel xD [15:47] what card is this [15:47] oh [15:47] hmm on nvidia my probs are gone for now [15:47] qt 4.5 and 180.44 helped [15:47] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) [15:47] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=3&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 3 | Source imported [15:49] I going to take a screenshot when it occurs [15:50] occurs with and without compositing === Gon is now known as magickdrums === magickdrums is now known as Gon [16:24] Gon: Look at the Jaunty release notes on Intel video problems. [16:26] link? [16:28] Gon: Look on the web site. User support questions really belong in #kubuntu and if you aren't interested enough in solving your problem to look up the release notes, I'm certainly not interested enough in it to look it up for you. [16:28] O_O [16:29] if I had no interest would not have asked [16:29] :/ [16:30] Sorry if that seemed harsh, but I'd have to look up the URL and it's approximately as much work for me to look it up as it is for you. [16:32] I had suggested to add Option "AccelMethod" "UXA" [16:32] in my xorg.conf [16:32] D: [16:32] :s [16:32] UXA is one option that works for some. I found it unstable. [16:33] * Gon restarting and testing [16:59] Gon: ScottK: same problem I was taking about two days aggo [16:59] *ago [16:59] happens on my nvidial with dual screen [16:59] but havn't seen it happen on another comp with nvidia single screen [16:59] ! [17:00] shtylman: Yes, but he was also talking about artifacts and stuff which has some Intel specific suckage on Jaunty. [17:01] Gon: the quick fix to get icons and stuff back is to restart plasma: $> kquitapp plasma && sleep 1 && plasma [17:01] yes [17:01] * Gon kills plasma and restart again [17:01] ScottK: I see...well, it seemed like the problem he described (loosing icons) is exactly what I am seeing [17:01] might be more severe for intel...dunno [17:02] it really is the weirdest bug though... [17:02] It may be I read too quickly, but if you're using the stock config for Intel on Jaunty, life will suck, so solving that is the first thing, IMO. [17:02] cause plasma is still there...just starge like decomposing itself :) [17:03] I add Option "DRI" "off" [17:03] but i can activate compositing :| [17:04] how this can be possible? D: [17:04] ScottK: is there a better config than stock? ive always run with stock on my laptop (has intel) and seemed fine... [17:04] Gon: software rendering? [17:04] shtylman: For Intel you either want UXA or EXA with the Greedy migration heuristic for almost all systems. [17:05] doesn't look slow like software rendering, but... maybe [17:05] The problem is that both of those are unstable on some systems, so neither is suitable for default. [17:05] Compositing type: OpenGL [17:05] D: [17:06] gotcha [18:57] JontheEchidna: bug 345076 is really not kde4libs is it? [18:57] Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/345076/+text) [19:16] Will there be qt 4.5.1 and qtcreator updates for jaunty? [19:19] Qt 4.5.1 won't be in Jaunty soon, due to regressions and the fact that a lot of people use -backports [19:19] but it might appears in a PPA [19:19] no idea for Qt Creator [19:20] *appear [19:42] Damn... jaunty isen't even out for a week now and I already need to upgrade to klumpsy kakadu (or whatever it will be called):-/ [19:43] smarter: is there ever gonna be a new kepas? [19:45] debian already has qt 4.5.1 and the new qtcreator. [19:45] not in their stable repository. [19:46] apachelogger: no idea [19:46] that whole sharing stuff needs to be done at a more general level anyway [19:47] smarter: Well, I usually do not run stable releases of ubuntu either:-) [19:57] Quintasan: wanna update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/KDE === barteqx is now known as siekacz [20:15] !info codeine [20:15] codeine (source: codeine): Simple KDE video player. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-3.dfsg-3 (jaunty), package size 169 kB, installed size 584 kB [20:15] hihi [20:15] JontheEchidna: codeine needs removal request [20:20] apachelogger: Why? It only uses kdelibs, so it should still be installable, working, etc. [20:20] ScottK: unmaintained upstream [20:20] superseded by dragonplayer [20:22] Does it still work? [20:22] *shrug* [20:23] ScottK: there is no point in keeping it around, dragonplayer is featuring the same basic interface with more functionality [20:24] OK. Should we add a replaces to dragonplayer then? [20:24] yup [20:24] if there is not already one [20:31] what about kaffeine? [20:31] last time I tested the kde4 version, it looked quite decent [20:31] * ScottK looks around for someone who cares about it enough to do the paperwork. [20:32] Sput: We'll upgrade that at some point. [20:32] (and I have tons of trouble with dragonplayer, which *still* can't properly skip in files) [20:32] I see :) [20:39] hmm.. major fail on upgrading a hardy box to jaunty [20:40] Really. I did one and it was without problems. [20:40] What was the problem? [20:40] i dont know what's broken.. screen just goes blank after booting, but i can't kill X or use Ctrl F2 to get to a terminal [20:40] i dunno yet.. rebooting [20:41] Sput: poke eean and vir with it :P [20:43] hmm.. looks like a kernel problem [20:43] older kernel worked [20:44] Proprietary video driver that needs updating maybe? [20:46] uhm.. do i use jockey for that? [20:47] argh, have an angry fiance yelling about his broken computer [20:51] where is the log for when the system is spitting out messages after the intial boot? when stuff goes [OK] [OK] [Failed]? [20:52] Probably /var/log/syslog if no where else. [20:54] seele: If it is a kernel issue you can probably boot into the old kernel and have it ~work. [20:54] ScottK: yeah, that's what i've done for now.. but that's not good enough apparently [20:54] * ScottK really needs to go find the 6 year old, so hopes apachelogger can help. [20:54] justin wants it *working*, not broken [20:55] ballet? hehe [20:55] No, just not where I can hear her anymore. [21:18] question since i installed mysqlserver 5.0 akonadi-server is on the autoremove packages [21:19] normal or bug to mention ? [21:20] and akonadi-kde === kozz_ is now known as kozz [22:55] any way to determine what is causing this bug: 367495 [22:55] bug 367495 [22:55] Launchpad bug 367495 in ubuntu "[intrepid]: no upgrade notification for jaunty received, manual attempt says nothing to upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/367495 [23:02] claydoh: check what's in /etc/lsb_release ? [23:03] ok, mailing list user can't upgrade a vanilla intrepid to jaunty [23:18] claydoh: /etc/lsb-release not /etc/lsb_release [23:19] sure? [23:19] yes [23:19] well the command argument is lsb_release -a, so it is easy to mung up :) [23:20] in Jaunty is lsb-release, I don't remember if in intrepid is lsb_release, strange :) [23:21] well her in jaunty land, the command is lsb_release -a, the other does not work ;)