[00:00] <Monika|K> but so far what people reported on kubuntu-de.org after trying it was that it didn't make a difference for them
[00:01] <DreadKnight> i'm an artist...into design/graphics and such
[00:01] <DreadKnight> blender/gimp/inkscape and all that stuff
[00:01] <Monika|K> with really large or detailed graphics that require lots of RAM for editing?
[00:01] <Monika|K> then it might make a difference
[00:01] <DreadKnight> for checking mail and watching movies or chatting i think it won't make a difference anyway
[00:02] <Monika|K> yeah
[00:02] <Monika|K> for that one can use one's netbook ^^
[00:02] <DreadKnight> yeah
[00:04] <Monika|K> I <3 my Netbook ... it fits into my handback ... it's red and pretty ... :)
[00:06] <DreadKnight> hehe
[00:06] <DreadKnight> have pics?
[00:07] <Monika|K> http://www.cyberport.de/default/9095/9000/0/0/default.html?showAllManufacturers=0&HERSTELLER=47 scroll down till you see a red one
[00:08] <Monika|K> s/handback/handbag
[00:08] <Monika|K> I can't spell past midnight
[00:09] <DreadKnight> no worries
[00:09] <DreadKnight> Monika|K: that looks very nice; so it's not only apple producing nice hardware after all :P
[00:10] <DreadKnight> did the white parts got yellowish or dirty so far i wonder
[00:10] <Monika|K> no, not at all
[00:11] <DreadKnight> ^^
[00:11] <Monika|K> well, some keys
[00:11] <Monika|K> food <--> computing
[00:11] <DreadKnight> haha
[00:11] <DreadKnight> i really have audio jacks in the front on my tablet pc
[00:11] <DreadKnight> pushes me into the belly when watching movies in bed and ruins the headphone jack...
[00:11] <DreadKnight> seems yours has them on the right side.. nice
[00:12] <Monika|K> and one USB left and one right
[00:12] <Monika|K> not over each other like on my laptop
[00:12] <Monika|K> where they get into each other's way
[00:13] <DreadKnight> mhm
[00:13] <DreadKnight> i have 2 on left side and one on the back side
[00:13] <DreadKnight> but i see your point
[00:45] <ScottK-palm> o/
[00:53] <bokey> ScottK: ping
[00:55] <ScottK-palm> bokey: pong.
[00:55] <bokey> ScottK-palm: oh sorry. yeah the upgrade went smoothly yesterday. do you want the log i saved?
[00:56] <bokey> 4.2.0 -> 4.2.2
[00:56] <ScottK-palm> Yes.  Please.
[00:56] <bokey> ScottK-palm: hang on a sec
[00:56] <ScottK-palm> Please mail it to scott at kitterman dot com
[00:58] <bokey> ScottK-palm: sure
[01:00] <ScottK-palm> Riddell: After I review bokey's report, I'm planning to push 4.2.2 to intrepid-backports.
[01:02] <DreadKnight> yey, one more reason to downgrade to intrepid
[01:36] <joshjtl> joshjtl: hey folks where can i get an older ubuntu official kernell? I want 2.6.27
[01:42] <ScottK> bokey: Got it.  Haven't looked at it yet.
[01:55] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: So i herd u liek adept, so I put adept in your kpackagekit so that you can install while you install
[01:57] <JontheEchidna> oh, I forgot to start it with "sup dawg"
[01:57] <ScottK> bokey: One complication ....
[01:58] <ScottK> KDE 4.2.2 needs a newer libical0 than we have in Intrepid.  To backport that, we need to test it with the other rdepends.
[01:58] <ScottK> bokey: Up for some more testing?
[02:21] <bokey> ScottK: sorry was detached. what do i need to do?
[02:27] <bokey> i have libical0 (0.43-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1) installed
[02:33] <ScottK-desktop> Right, so if you look at apt-cache rdepends libical0 we need to see if those packages work with your libical0
[02:33] <ScottK-desktop> There's a few.
[02:34] <bokey> yep
[02:35] <ScottK-desktop> Your log looked good.  I think this is the only blocker.
[02:36] <bokey> ScottK: so you want the output?
[02:40] <ScottK-desktop> bokey: I'm good with a bug against intrepid-backports asking for a backport of libical from Jaunty and listing which ones you tested and that they work.
[02:41] <bokey> ScottK-desktop: ok just pulled osmo which uses libical0 (0.43-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1). works fine
[02:42] <bokey> osmo's ver - 0.2.0-1ubuntu0.1
[02:42] <ScottK-desktop> bokey: Just work through the list and put it in the bug.
[02:42] <bokey> ScottK-desktop: how about i mail it to ya?
[02:43] <ScottK-desktop> bokey: From a process perspective I need the bug.  It's really better if I don't file it myself since I have to approve it.
[02:51] <bokey> ScottK-desktop: url?
[02:51] <ScottK-desktop> SUre.
[02:51] <ScottK-desktop> bokey: https://launchpad.net/intrepid-backports/+filebug
[02:53] <bokey> ScottK-desktop: so basically you want me to work through list of rdepends of libical0 and then file a bug report for?
[02:54] <ScottK-desktop> Saying Please backport libical (insert exact version) from Jaunty to Intrepid.
[02:54] <bokey> kewl
[02:54] <ScottK-desktop> Then in  the body of the bug say it builds, installs, runs and you tested the following rdepends ....
[02:55] <bokey> yep
[02:55] <bokey> will do that in an couple of hours (gtg for now)
[02:55] <bokey> see ya
[02:55] <ScottK-desktop> OK.
[03:09] <JontheEchidna> whoa, nice. Our automoc delta with debian is just debian/changelog and the Maintainer: field
[03:10] <ScottK-desktop> \o/
[03:12] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I'm looking at merges already :P
[03:12] <JontheEchidna> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KarmicKDEMerges
[03:13] <JontheEchidna> not for KDE or anything, but for stuff that is'nt likely to change soon
[03:14] <JontheEchidna> 4.2.3 is tagged in four days
[09:33] <_Sime> that's a pleasant surprise. KDE4'ed kdiff3.
[10:04] <markey> You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has
[10:04] <markey> been automatically rejected.  If you think that your messages are
[10:04] <markey> being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at
[10:04] <markey> kubuntu-devel-owner@lists.ubuntu.com.
[10:04] <markey> hum
[10:04] <markey> my mail was pretty important, yep ;)
[10:05]  * markey subscribes
[10:31] <markey> Nightrose: tried to CC kubuntu-devel, but the mail got rejected
[10:32] <markey> so I'm subscribing, and will try to send again
[10:32] <Nightrose> ok
[10:32] <Nightrose> man I should go packing my stuff and get the next train
[10:32] <Nightrose> meh
[10:32] <markey> :)
[11:41] <Quintasan> Hiho
[12:16] <Mamarok> I just managed to crash SystemSettings twice in a row:
[12:17] <Mamarok> SystemSettings -> keyboard&Mouse -> click on Mouse and it hangs
[12:21] <ghostcube> Mamarok, works fine here so far oO
[12:22] <Mamarok> hm, what is wrong on my system then
[12:22] <Mamarok> 4 times in a row now, so reproducible every time for me
[12:27] <usr> hi
[12:42] <ghostcube> hmm update problem from the experimental ppa and the network-manager-kde package
[12:42] <ghostcube> wants to kick plasma-widget-network-manager
[12:45] <Riddell> ScottK-desktop: excellent (4.2.2 to backports)
[12:49] <Riddell> markey: I can whitelist you if you don't want to subscribe
[12:49] <Riddell> infact I could whitelist *amarok* if that might be useful
[12:52] <ghostcube> hmm should i just remove the plasma widget
[12:52] <ghostcube> and install network-manager-kde
[13:15] <a|wen> ghostcube: do you want to have the widget or the knetworkmanager?
[13:20] <markey> Riddell: thanks, but subscribing is fine, gmail can handle many filters ;) anyway, could you accept my subscription request?
[13:24] <Riddell> hmm? I shouldn't need to accept anything
[13:24] <Riddell> you just need to confirm it when the confirm e-mail arrives
[13:25] <markey> I never got one. it said the submission request is gonna be evaluated, I think
[13:26] <markey> maybe someone changed the settings recently?
[13:26] <markey> anyway, in that case you should have got an admin request
[13:26] <markey> s/submission/subscription
[13:27] <Quintasan> anyone compiled new amarok?
[13:29] <Quintasan> oh my, looks like I was missing build deps :/
[13:31] <Riddell> markey: just spam in the moderation queue
[13:31] <Riddell> markey: what's your address?  I can subscribe you manually
[13:31] <markey> strange, maybe I mistyped my email address then, it's possible
[13:31] <markey> kretschmann@kde.org
[13:32] <Riddell> Successfully subscribed:
[13:32] <Riddell> kretschmann@kde.org
[13:32] <markey> cheers :)
[13:32] <markey> ok, gonna resend my mail
[13:32]  * Riddell whitelists @kde.org for good measure
[13:34] <Quintasan> Riddell: who should I poke for having mask on irc?
[13:37] <ikonia> Quintasan: #freenode
[13:37] <Quintasan> ikonia: hmm, ok thanks
[14:10] <e-jat> anyone successfully play 3gp file in jaunty ?
[14:10] <e-jat> video+sound ?
[14:22] <neversfelde> e-jat: Support is in #kubuntu
[14:22] <e-jat> neversfelde: k thanks ..
[15:29] <ghostcube> a|wen, have been away sorry
[15:29] <ghostcube> you cant decide what you want if you have the ppa opened it will say its conflicting with plasma
[15:29] <ghostcube> if you do dist-upgrade
[15:32] <a|wen> are we on intrepid or jaunty?
[15:33] <a|wen> which ppa? and i take that you are trying to install the plasma-widget-network-manager?
[15:36] <ghostcube> a|wen, the experimental ppa moment iam searching
[15:36] <ghostcube> and i just do dist-upgrade
[15:36] <a|wen> on intrepid?
[15:36] <ghostcube> jaunty sorry
[15:36] <ghostcube> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu jaunty main
[15:38] <a|wen> ghostcube: can you pastebin the error you get from the dist-upgrade?
[15:38] <ghostcube> yep moment pls
[15:39] <Gon> it is advisable to use kubuntu-experimental jaunty?
[15:40] <Gon> I have some issues with plasma
[15:40] <ghostcube> http://pastie.org/458647  a|wen sorry its german
[15:41] <ghostcube> its claiming only about an desktop file
[15:41] <ghostcube> i think this isnt very hard to fix
[15:41] <Gon> After a while of use, the icons disappear and are drawn down the desktop
[15:43] <ghostcube> Gon, on jaunty ? i dont have any probs so far except two updates dont want to work one is ubuntu related so i mentioned it in ubuntu#motu i hope it will be fixed
[15:43] <ghostcube> :D
[15:44] <a|wen> ghostcube: that file probably got moved around ... it's an old upload don't even know if it is relevant anymore
[15:44] <a|wen> Gon: there is nothing in the experimental PPA that will do any difference to that
[15:44] <ghostcube> a|wen, oh ok no prob then i deactivate the repo for now
[15:45] <Gon> Plasma is still the only problematic, but unfortunately is the most visible
[15:45] <a|wen> ghostcube: there doesn't seem to be anything "good" in it for jaunty atm
[15:45] <ghostcube> a|wen, ok thx for respond :) i will just comment it till something "good" is back ;)
[15:46] <a|wen> Gon: sounds like a strange issue ... the first time i hear about something like that
[15:46] <ghostcube> Gon, maybe driver related for the video card ?
[15:47] <Gon> maybe
[15:47] <Gon> i have intel xD
[15:47] <ghostcube> what card is this
[15:47] <ghostcube> oh
[15:47] <ghostcube> hmm on nvidia my probs are gone for now
[15:47] <ghostcube> qt 4.5 and 180.44 helped
[15:47] <Gon> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[15:49] <Gon> I going to take a screenshot when it occurs
[15:50] <Gon> occurs with and without compositing
[16:24] <ScottK> Gon: Look at the Jaunty release notes on Intel video problems.
[16:26] <Gon> link?
[16:28] <ScottK> Gon: Look on the web site.  User support questions really belong in #kubuntu and if you aren't interested enough in solving your problem to look up the release notes, I'm certainly not interested enough in it to look it up for you.
[16:28] <Gon> O_O
[16:29] <Gon> if I had no interest would not have asked
[16:29] <Gon> :/
[16:30] <ScottK> Sorry if that seemed harsh, but I'd have to look up the URL and it's approximately as much work for me to look it up as it is for you.
[16:32] <Gon> I had suggested to add Option "AccelMethod" "UXA"
[16:32] <Gon> in my xorg.conf
[16:32] <Gon> D:
[16:32] <Gon> :s
[16:32] <ScottK> UXA is one option that works for some.  I found it unstable.
[16:33]  * Gon restarting and testing
[16:59] <shtylman> Gon: ScottK: same problem I was taking about two days aggo
[16:59] <shtylman> *ago
[16:59] <shtylman> happens on my nvidial with dual screen
[16:59] <shtylman> but havn't seen it happen on another comp with nvidia single screen
[16:59] <Gon> !
[17:00] <ScottK> shtylman: Yes, but he was also talking about artifacts and stuff which has some Intel specific suckage on Jaunty.
[17:01] <shtylman> Gon: the quick fix to get icons and stuff back is to restart plasma: $> kquitapp plasma && sleep 1 && plasma
[17:01] <Gon> yes
[17:01]  * Gon kills plasma and restart again
[17:01] <shtylman> ScottK: I see...well, it seemed like the problem he described (loosing icons) is exactly what I am seeing
[17:01] <shtylman> might be more severe for intel...dunno
[17:02] <shtylman> it really is the weirdest bug though...
[17:02] <ScottK> It may be I read too quickly, but if you're using the stock config for Intel on Jaunty, life will suck, so solving that is the first thing, IMO.
[17:02] <shtylman> cause plasma is still there...just starge like decomposing itself :)
[17:03] <Gon> I add Option "DRI" "off"
[17:03] <Gon> but i can activate compositing :|
[17:04] <Gon> how this can be possible? D:
[17:04] <shtylman> ScottK: is there a better config than stock? ive always run with stock on my laptop (has intel) and seemed fine...
[17:04] <shtylman> Gon: software rendering?
[17:04] <ScottK> shtylman: For Intel you either want UXA or EXA with the Greedy migration heuristic for almost all systems.
[17:05] <Gon> doesn't look slow like software rendering, but... maybe
[17:05] <ScottK> The problem is that both of those are unstable on some systems, so neither is suitable for default.
[17:05] <Gon> Compositing type: OpenGL
[17:05] <Gon> D:
[17:06] <shtylman> gotcha
[18:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 345076 is really not kde4libs is it?
[19:16] <hunger> Will there be qt 4.5.1 and qtcreator updates for jaunty?
[19:19] <smarter> Qt 4.5.1 won't be in Jaunty soon, due to regressions and the fact that a lot of people use -backports
[19:19] <smarter> but it might appears in a PPA
[19:19] <smarter> no idea for Qt Creator
[19:20] <smarter> *appear
[19:42] <hunger> Damn... jaunty isen't even out for a week now and I already need to upgrade to klumpsy kakadu (or whatever it will be called):-/
[19:43] <apachelogger> smarter: is there ever gonna be a new kepas?
[19:45] <hunger> debian already has qt 4.5.1 and the new qtcreator.
[19:45] <smarter> not in their stable repository.
[19:46] <smarter> apachelogger: no idea
[19:46] <smarter> that whole sharing stuff needs to be done at a more general level anyway
[19:47] <hunger> smarter: Well, I usually do not run stable releases of ubuntu either:-)
[19:57] <apachelogger> Quintasan: wanna update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/KDE
[20:15] <apachelogger> !info codeine
[20:15] <apachelogger> hihi
[20:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: codeine needs removal request
[20:20] <ScottK> apachelogger: Why?  It only uses kdelibs, so it should still be installable, working, etc.
[20:20] <apachelogger> ScottK: unmaintained upstream
[20:20] <apachelogger> superseded by dragonplayer
[20:22] <ScottK> Does it still work?
[20:22] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[20:23] <apachelogger> ScottK: there is no point in keeping it around, dragonplayer is featuring the same basic interface with more functionality
[20:24] <ScottK> OK.  Should we add a replaces to dragonplayer then?
[20:24] <apachelogger> yup
[20:24] <apachelogger> if there is not already one
[20:31] <Sput> what about kaffeine?
[20:31] <Sput> last time I tested the kde4 version, it looked quite decent
[20:31]  * ScottK looks around for someone who cares about it enough to do the paperwork.
[20:32] <ScottK> Sput: We'll upgrade that at some point.
[20:32] <Sput> (and I have tons of trouble with dragonplayer, which *still* can't properly skip in files)
[20:32] <Sput> I see :)
[20:39] <seele> hmm.. major fail on upgrading a hardy box to jaunty
[20:40] <ScottK> Really.  I did one and it was without problems.
[20:40] <ScottK> What was the problem?
[20:40] <seele> i dont know what's broken.. screen just goes blank after booting, but i can't kill X or use Ctrl F2 to get to a terminal
[20:40] <seele> i dunno yet.. rebooting
[20:41] <apachelogger> Sput: poke eean and vir with it :P
[20:43] <seele> hmm.. looks like a kernel problem
[20:43] <seele> older kernel worked
[20:44] <ScottK> Proprietary video driver that needs updating maybe?
[20:46] <seele> uhm.. do i use jockey for that?
[20:47] <seele> argh, have an angry fiance yelling about his broken computer
[20:51] <seele> where is the log for when the system is spitting out messages after the intial boot? when stuff goes [OK] [OK] [Failed]?
[20:52] <ScottK> Probably /var/log/syslog if no where else.
[20:54] <ScottK> seele: If it is a kernel issue you can probably boot into the old kernel and have it ~work.
[20:54] <seele> ScottK: yeah, that's what i've done for now.. but that's not good enough apparently
[20:54]  * ScottK really needs to go find the 6 year old, so hopes apachelogger can help.
[20:54] <seele> justin wants it *working*, not broken
[20:55] <seele> ballet? hehe
[20:55] <ScottK> No, just not where I can hear her anymore.
[21:18] <ghostcube> question since i installed mysqlserver 5.0 akonadi-server is on the autoremove packages
[21:19] <ghostcube> normal or bug to mention ?
[21:20] <ghostcube> and akonadi-kde
[22:55] <claydoh> any way to determine what is causing this bug: 367495
[22:55] <claydoh> bug 367495
[23:02] <Riddell> claydoh: check what's in /etc/lsb_release ?
[23:03] <claydoh> ok, mailing list user can't upgrade a vanilla intrepid to jaunty
[23:18] <lex79> claydoh: /etc/lsb-release not /etc/lsb_release
[23:19] <claydoh> sure?
[23:19] <lex79> yes
[23:19] <claydoh> well the command argument is lsb_release -a, so it is easy to mung up :)
[23:20] <lex79> in Jaunty is lsb-release, I don't remember if in intrepid is lsb_release, strange :)
[23:21] <claydoh> well her in jaunty land, the command is lsb_release -a, the other does not work ;)