| kwwii | we don't want to overwrite anyones settings | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| Skiessi | and adding a link would just duplicate it... | 00:00 |
| Skiessi | in the background menu | 00:01 |
| kwwii | anyway, time for sleep...anything else? | 00:11 |
| Skiessi | yeah | 00:11 |
| Skiessi | http://skiessi.users.sourceforge.net/simple-ubuntu.png I removed the unused alpha channel and ran it through advpng | 00:12 |
| Skiessi | about 15% smaller | 00:12 |
| Skiessi | if it's any use | 00:12 |
| kwwii | wow, that is a bit smaller than what we accomplished for the release, or? | 00:17 |
| Skiessi | yes | 00:17 |
| kwwii | we worked on it a bit at the end to reduce the size | 00:17 |
| kwwii | thanks, I'll see what I can do | 00:18 |
| Skiessi | okay | 00:18 |
| kwwii | for now, sleep | 00:18 |
| kwwii | see you | 00:18 |
| Skiessi | night | 00:18 |
| SiDi | Night | 02:50 |
| RPG_Master | The Breathe Icons are beautiful!!! | 04:36 |
| RPG_Master | That is all. | 04:36 |
| SiDi | Hi | 09:52 |
| SiDi | hi thorwil | 16:43 |
| thorwil | hi SiDi | 16:43 |
| SiDi | how are you ? | 16:43 |
| thorwil | i just learned that i have an SVG that kills Nautilus if i open the folder it is in | 16:43 |
| SiDi | Nice :P | 16:44 |
| thorwil | and that inkscape will use the wrong gradients if you import stuff that has gradients with the same IDs | 16:44 |
| * SiDi suggests you report a private security bug against Nautilus before any windows fanboy spy claims this is a "super virus" svg :p | 16:44 | |
| thorwil | boom, half and hour if not more wasted instead of being prodcutive | 16:45 |
| SiDi | You know, i've been wasting the last two weeks in debugging, if that can make you feel better, 1h30 isnt that much :D | 16:45 |
| thorwil | SiDi, what are you debugging? | 16:46 |
| SiDi | My BitTorrent client | 16:47 |
| SiDi | i'm happy, it received 2 pieces out of 2725 today (fast, isnt it ?) | 16:47 |
| thorwil | heh | 16:48 |
| SiDi | hey dashua | 16:52 |
| SiDi | Do you still have the latest version of rust on your PC (the one posted on the ML) ? it's not on LP anymore and you didnt update it in gnome-look | 16:53 |
| dashua | SiDi: bzr branch lp:~dashua/+junk/Karmic-Themes. Moved it. | 17:44 |
| SiDi | dashua, okey thanks | 17:46 |
| dashua | Should be the latest version. Two themes in that branch, but mostly similar | 17:46 |
| dashua | Np :) | 17:47 |
| SiDi | Aw, looks like is the one i already had | 17:57 |
| SiDi | or my panel didnt get updated | 17:57 |
| dashua | I didn't push that fix yet you discovered. | 18:05 |
| SiDi | well, my theme didnt get updated | 18:10 |
| SiDi | i'll see what it gives later and add it back | 18:10 |
| SiDi | i hope i kept the mail i sent you :D | 18:10 |
| dashua | I still have it. | 18:10 |
| dashua | Oh my. That 15 minutes of Windows 7 was painful. No easy way to go from beta - rc? | 20:39 |
| SiDi | dashua, i respect your courage. | 20:41 |
| ryanprior | SiDi: Do not confuse courage with foolery. | 20:42 |
| ryanprior | dashua: I trust you have learned your lesson. ;-) | 20:42 |
| SiDi | ryanprior, :D | 20:42 |
| dashua | Ha, well I already had it this laptop since beta, but have not booted into in months. | 20:42 |
| dashua | Wanted to try a quick update to RC, no go. So damn slow too. | 20:43 |
| dashua | I guess I'm just spoiled. | 20:43 |
| SiDi | dashua, the price to pay for daring ! | 20:43 |
| dashua | I can't live without my wobbly windows. It's really become a part of me ;p | 20:44 |
| * SiDi suicides. | 20:44 | |
| thorwil | arg. audio skips when switching workspaces or opening/closing windows now | 20:44 |
| SiDi | Twice. | 20:44 |
| dashua | thorwil: Jaunty? | 20:45 |
| thorwil | yeah | 20:45 |
| dashua | Damn, my experience has been pretty flawless since Alpha 3, but pulse was giving some trouble. | 20:45 |
| thorwil | i already switched everything in sound prefs to alsa. do i have to rip out pulse audio, or something? | 20:45 |
| SiDi | dashua, same | 20:45 |
| SiDi | alphas were perfect | 20:45 |
| SiDi | now my max volume is much lower than under intrepid | 20:46 |
| SiDi | and yeh, i did remove pulse ! | 20:46 |
| dashua | I don't think you have to purge pulse just switch every over to alsa. | 20:46 |
| SiDi | dashua, it was already set to alsa | 20:46 |
| SiDi | yet pulse was launching itself | 20:46 |
| SiDi | and i had no sound on my OS | 20:46 |
| dashua | Damn | 20:46 |
| ryanprior | thorwil: I'm going to be working on a CSS-based theme engine this summer but want to do a brainstorm / input session with artists in the community so that I have an idea going in of what themers need. Can you help me organize that? | 20:46 |
| SiDi | i removed it (reinstalled a little after due to dependencies :x) | 20:47 |
| SiDi | im on xfce/alsa anyways | 20:47 |
| SiDi | ryanprior, css 2.1 or 3 ? | 20:47 |
| ryanprior | SiDi: neither precisely, because some web-centric css concepts don't really map to GUI windows and some GUI concepts aren't represented in CSS at present. I think it will be close to CSS3, though. | 20:48 |
| SiDi | okey :) | 20:48 |
| thorwil | ryanprior, guess i might. but are you aware of Robert Staudingers gtk-css-engine? | 20:48 |
| dashua | I'm convinced the only to way to get a modern decent theme is to either a) develop a completely new engine b) mix engines. | 20:48 |
| dashua | I'm running out of ideas. | 20:48 |
| SiDi | i was in fear that themers would have to use float:right everywhere for right-aligning blocks :D | 20:48 |
| ryanprior | thorwil: I am, but I'm not writing an engine for gtk, so there's potential for a little more flexibility. | 20:49 |
| SiDi | dashua, yeh after reading some gtkrc i noticed most of the stuff was actually about chosing the good engine option, thus we need new engines for really *new* UIs :/ | 20:49 |
| dashua | SiDi: I agree. | 20:49 |
| thorwil | ryanprior, for qt? | 20:50 |
| ryanprior | thorwil: Nope, not any engine that people are using much. It's called ecere and a basic version is available now, but this summer we're hoping to beef it up significantly and make it a more attractive platform. | 20:51 |
| dashua | SiDi: http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/13038/screenshot_009_1PIg2m.png . Few mods, trying different bg colors | 20:51 |
| SiDi | dashua, the windows 7 folder hurts my eyes too much | 20:52 |
| SiDi | i cant see the theme | 20:52 |
| SiDi | :< | 20:52 |
| dashua | Ha, me too. It's taking up 3 gig of space as well =/ | 20:53 |
| SiDi | about my point of view, i globally like it | 20:54 |
| SiDi | the metacity is sexy | 20:54 |
| SiDi | but i'd really like you to make a screenshot of this with a flat toolbar instead of gradient one :) | 20:54 |
| ryanprior | I must say, breathe is gearing up to be pretty sexy, moreso than I thought early on. Confidence is gaining. | 20:55 |
| dashua | Alright, I will make another version. | 20:55 |
| dashua | ryanprior: Very much so. I've been using it for quite some time. | 20:56 |
| thorwil | ryanprior, the shortcomings of gtk i found so far are: lack of prelight on menus, no depressed state on entries (debatable), compound widgets like SpinButtons are handled like 2 widgets, so you can't draw a focus rectangle around the whole widget (without tricks, at least) | 20:56 |
| SiDi | dashua, <3 | 20:57 |
| thorwil | ryanprior, be sure to talk with dilomo (Anton Kerezov) and whoever else you can get a hold on, who managed to deliver a solid theme | 20:58 |
| ryanprior | thorwil: What I'm hoping to do is build a list of shortcomings with other gui toolkits and facilitate some discussion on what best practices should be for gui building going forward. Should I post a request for comments to the mail list? | 21:00 |
| thorwil | ryanprior, sure. consider to also target lists for gtk and kde/qt. maybe also windows and mac theming | 21:02 |
| ryanprior | thorwil: ecere aims to be a cross-platform toolkit; themes should look the same across platforms. | 21:03 |
| ryanprior | thorwil: Where can I find gtk and qt target lists? | 21:04 |
| thorwil | ryanprior, gnome-themes-list@gnome.org | 21:06 |
| thorwil | perhaps the plain gtk list http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-list | 21:06 |
| ryanprior | Ah, I misread what you wrote. I thought you meant target lists as in targets for future development or something. | 21:07 |
| ryanprior | You mean to send my request for comments also to gtk- and qt-related lists. | 21:07 |
| thorwil | yeah | 21:07 |
| * thorwil feels better after ripping pulse out of his system | 21:09 | |
| thorwil | good night! | 21:11 |
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