[00:00] <kwwii> we don't want to overwrite anyones settings
[00:00] <Skiessi> and adding a link would just duplicate it...
[00:01] <Skiessi> in the background menu
[00:11] <kwwii> anyway, time for sleep...anything else?
[00:11] <Skiessi> yeah
[00:12] <Skiessi> http://skiessi.users.sourceforge.net/simple-ubuntu.png I removed the unused alpha channel and ran it through advpng
[00:12] <Skiessi> about 15% smaller
[00:12] <Skiessi> if it's any use
[00:17] <kwwii> wow, that is a bit smaller than what we accomplished for the release, or?
[00:17] <Skiessi> yes
[00:17] <kwwii> we worked on it a bit at the end to reduce the size
[00:18] <kwwii> thanks, I'll see what I can do
[00:18] <Skiessi> okay
[00:18] <kwwii> for now, sleep
[00:18] <kwwii> see you
[00:18] <Skiessi> night
[02:50] <SiDi> Night
[04:36] <RPG_Master> The Breathe Icons are beautiful!!!
[04:36] <RPG_Master> That is all.
[09:52] <SiDi> Hi
[16:43] <SiDi> hi thorwil
[16:43] <thorwil> hi SiDi
[16:43] <SiDi> how are you ?
[16:43] <thorwil> i just learned that i have an SVG that kills Nautilus if i open the folder it is in
[16:44] <SiDi> Nice :P
[16:44] <thorwil> and that inkscape will use the wrong gradients if you import stuff that has gradients with the same IDs
[16:44]  * SiDi suggests you report a private security bug against Nautilus before any windows fanboy spy claims this is a "super virus" svg :p
[16:45] <thorwil> boom, half and hour if not more wasted instead of being prodcutive
[16:45] <SiDi> You know, i've been wasting the last two weeks in debugging, if that can make you feel better, 1h30 isnt that much :D
[16:46] <thorwil> SiDi, what are you debugging?
[16:47] <SiDi> My BitTorrent client
[16:47] <SiDi> i'm happy, it received 2 pieces out of 2725 today (fast, isnt it ?)
[16:48] <thorwil> heh
[16:52] <SiDi> hey dashua
[16:53] <SiDi> Do you still have the latest version of rust on your PC (the one posted on the ML) ? it's not on LP anymore and you didnt update it in gnome-look
[17:44] <dashua> SiDi: bzr branch lp:~dashua/+junk/Karmic-Themes.  Moved it.
[17:46] <SiDi> dashua, okey thanks
[17:46] <dashua> Should be the latest version.  Two themes in that branch, but mostly similar
[17:47] <dashua> Np :)
[17:57] <SiDi> Aw, looks like is the one i already had
[17:57] <SiDi> or my panel didnt get updated
[18:05] <dashua> I didn't push that fix yet you discovered.
[18:10] <SiDi> well, my theme didnt get updated
[18:10] <SiDi> i'll see what it gives later and add it back
[18:10] <SiDi> i hope i kept the mail i sent you :D
[18:10] <dashua> I still have it.
[20:39] <dashua> Oh my.  That 15 minutes of Windows 7 was painful.  No easy way to go from beta - rc?
[20:41] <SiDi> dashua, i respect your courage.
[20:42] <ryanprior> SiDi: Do not confuse courage with foolery.
[20:42] <ryanprior> dashua: I trust you have learned your lesson. ;-)
[20:42] <SiDi> ryanprior, :D
[20:42] <dashua> Ha, well I already had it this laptop since beta, but have not booted into in months.
[20:43] <dashua> Wanted to try a quick update to RC, no go.  So damn slow too.
[20:43] <dashua> I guess I'm just spoiled.
[20:43] <SiDi> dashua, the price to pay for daring !
[20:44] <dashua> I can't live without my wobbly windows.  It's really become a part of me ;p
[20:44]  * SiDi suicides.
[20:44] <thorwil> arg. audio skips when switching workspaces or opening/closing windows now
[20:44] <SiDi> Twice.
[20:45] <dashua> thorwil: Jaunty?
[20:45] <thorwil> yeah
[20:45] <dashua> Damn, my experience has been pretty flawless since Alpha 3, but pulse was giving some trouble.
[20:45] <thorwil> i already switched everything in sound prefs to alsa. do i have to rip out pulse audio, or something?
[20:45] <SiDi> dashua, same
[20:45] <SiDi> alphas were perfect
[20:46] <SiDi> now my max volume is much lower than under intrepid
[20:46] <SiDi> and yeh, i did remove pulse !
[20:46] <dashua> I don't think you have to purge pulse just switch every over to alsa.
[20:46] <SiDi> dashua, it was already set to alsa
[20:46] <SiDi> yet pulse was launching itself
[20:46] <SiDi> and i had no sound on my OS
[20:46] <dashua> Damn
[20:46] <ryanprior> thorwil: I'm going to be working on a CSS-based theme engine this summer but want to do a brainstorm / input session with artists in the community so that I have an idea going in of what themers need. Can you help me organize that?
[20:47] <SiDi> i removed it (reinstalled a little after due to dependencies :x)
[20:47] <SiDi> im on xfce/alsa anyways
[20:47] <SiDi> ryanprior, css 2.1 or 3 ?
[20:48] <ryanprior> SiDi: neither precisely, because some web-centric css concepts don't really map to GUI windows and some GUI concepts aren't represented in CSS at present. I think it will be close to CSS3, though.
[20:48] <SiDi> okey :)
[20:48] <thorwil> ryanprior, guess i might. but are you aware of Robert Staudingers gtk-css-engine?
[20:48] <dashua> I'm convinced the only to way to get a modern decent theme is to either a) develop a completely new engine b) mix engines.
[20:48] <dashua> I'm running out of ideas.
[20:48] <SiDi> i was in fear that themers would have to use float:right everywhere for right-aligning blocks :D
[20:49] <ryanprior> thorwil: I am, but I'm not writing an engine for gtk, so there's potential for a little more flexibility.
[20:49] <SiDi> dashua, yeh after reading some gtkrc i noticed most of the stuff was actually about chosing the good engine option, thus we need new engines for really *new* UIs :/
[20:49] <dashua> SiDi: I agree.
[20:50] <thorwil> ryanprior, for qt?
[20:51] <ryanprior> thorwil: Nope, not any engine that people are using much. It's called ecere and a basic version is available now, but this summer we're hoping to beef it up significantly and make it a more attractive platform.
[20:51] <dashua> SiDi: http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/13038/screenshot_009_1PIg2m.png . Few mods, trying different bg colors
[20:52] <SiDi> dashua, the windows 7 folder hurts my eyes too much
[20:52] <SiDi> i cant see the theme
[20:52] <SiDi> :<
[20:53] <dashua> Ha, me too.  It's taking up 3 gig of space as well =/
[20:54] <SiDi> about my point of view, i globally like it
[20:54] <SiDi> the metacity is sexy
[20:54] <SiDi> but i'd really like you to make a screenshot of this with a flat toolbar instead of gradient one :)
[20:55] <ryanprior> I must say, breathe is gearing up to be pretty sexy, moreso than I thought early on. Confidence is gaining.
[20:55] <dashua> Alright,  I will make another version.
[20:56] <dashua> ryanprior: Very much so.  I've been using it for quite some time.
[20:56] <thorwil> ryanprior, the shortcomings of gtk i found so far are: lack of prelight on menus, no depressed state on entries (debatable), compound widgets like SpinButtons are handled like 2 widgets, so you can't draw a focus rectangle around the whole widget (without tricks, at least)
[20:57] <SiDi> dashua, <3
[20:58] <thorwil> ryanprior, be sure to talk with dilomo (Anton Kerezov) and whoever else you can get a hold on, who managed to deliver a solid theme
[21:00] <ryanprior> thorwil: What I'm hoping to do is build a list of shortcomings with other gui toolkits and facilitate some discussion on what best practices should be for gui building going forward. Should I post a request for comments to the mail list?
[21:02] <thorwil> ryanprior, sure. consider to also target lists for gtk and kde/qt. maybe also windows and mac theming
[21:03] <ryanprior> thorwil: ecere aims to be a cross-platform toolkit; themes should look the same across platforms.
[21:04] <ryanprior> thorwil: Where can I find gtk and qt target lists?
[21:06] <thorwil> ryanprior, gnome-themes-list@gnome.org
[21:06] <thorwil> perhaps the plain gtk list http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-list
[21:07] <ryanprior> Ah, I misread what you wrote. I thought you meant target lists as in targets for future development or something.
[21:07] <ryanprior> You mean to send my request for comments also to gtk- and qt-related lists.
[21:07] <thorwil> yeah
[21:09]  * thorwil feels better after ripping pulse out of his system
[21:11] <thorwil> good night!