[00:07] whoa jnels returned [00:33] night - it seems to be a stupid response to sensible question hour so I'm out [00:38] night [01:06] you cant see me [01:07] oh quit it, imbecile [01:07] LjL, you cant see me ethier [01:07] i wish i couldn't [01:07] what weird sort of comcast host is that by the way [01:07] what [01:08] rgibmerrial? [01:08] i have no idea [01:08] prob my new router [01:08] my old dlink died [01:08] anyways you cant see me [01:08] MRToilet: How can we help you today? [01:09] just do you usual [01:09] MRToilet: And that is? [01:10] what ljl does best [01:10] play globulation? [01:10] /ban MRTOILET [01:10] duh [01:10] it's /b [01:10] w/e [01:10] or /be, depending on which part of the mask i want to ban [01:11] MRToilet: If there's nothing we can help you with today, please don't idle here. [01:11] you're talkative for someone who can't be seen, by the way [01:11] how the hell did my ip get rgibmerrill [01:11] MRToilet: is there something we can help you with? [01:11] nah [01:11] just kick me [01:11] banning me would make my day [01:11] i think you know how to /part channels [01:12] nah i am jus gonna idle here [01:12] as you wish [01:12] k-lineing me would be the best [01:13] only kicked lol [01:17] finally [01:17] hi njan [01:17] just kline me and get it done with [01:18] how's about we debate the merits of NTFS vs FAT12 instead [01:18] jnels? [01:18] yup thats me [01:18] no, NTFS [01:18] well, yes [01:18] same difference [01:18] pottytheshitter too [01:18] aww [01:19] don't you love self-enablers? [01:19] hehe [01:20] In #ubuntu-offtopic, Lenin_Cat said: !smack is OCH! that hurt! [01:20] I don't understand why he was here for so long [03:11] * jussi01 wonders what that was all about... [03:13] what what was? [03:13] Seeker`: the aptly named MRToilet [03:13] * jussi01 grumbles at being awake at 5am [03:17] :( [03:44] I think almost 4am may be bedtime [04:57] incoming [04:58] hrm, my forward alias is borked... must fix that... [05:00] * jussi01 is assuming no one but me is alive atm... [05:28] * mneptok rises from the grave [05:28] braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaains [06:51] * nalioth tips mneptok back in and calls in the backhoe [09:00] the -x team has a PPA for the intel driver issues, among others. See jcastros planet post [10:15] Flannel, it was posted to -devel. unless there's been updates overnight, it does *nothing* for eeepc701s [10:15] * elky checks [10:16] nope, nothing [10:17] apparently we need a .30 kernel before it'll fix or something [10:22] i also find it amusing that the proprietary wifi driver b0rks the wifi on the eeepc now. the libre one is required [10:48] 28 [10:48] bah [10:54] <|_ocke> i can always chat [10:55] <|_ocke> i'm just trying to provide some relevant help on a program that i teach for a living [10:55] and we just want to make sure you're not going to relapse [10:55] <|_ocke> no, i'm not [10:55] <|_ocke> i know i've done some stupid stuff in the past [10:55] |_ocke: I thought we agreed last time you would stay off IRC after drinking? [10:55] <|_ocke> but [10:56] <|_ocke> i've only had about 4 beers, i'm not drunk at all tonight [10:56] <|_ocke> and i quit doing all other drugs as well [10:56] <|_ocke> if you'll give me a chance, you'll see i'm a completely different person now [10:57] <|_ocke> i have 2 entirely different personalities [10:57] <|_ocke> one when i'm sober [10:57] <|_ocke> and one when i'm gone [10:57] <|_ocke> not just on alcohol, but other things as well [10:58] <|_ocke> but i quit doing all other things except for beer [10:58] |_ocke: you just blamed your swearing on the alcohol.. [10:58] <|_ocke> that was a slip and i apologize for that [10:58] <|_ocke> but i will not under any circumstances end up talking about the kind of stuff that i got banned for several times before because i was inebriated [10:59] |_ocke: I suggest for your own good you take a short break from #ubuntu-offtopic - I wont enforce it, but its a suggestion [10:59] also [10:59] <|_ocke> i really value being a part of this network and these channels, and i feel very rewarded when i can help somebody get something working in linux that they didnt have working before [10:59] !enter | |_ocke [10:59] |_ocke: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! [11:00] <|_ocke> that one is hard for me, i hit enter when i'm done with a sentence [11:00] try to not do it before 'and' [11:01] |_ocke: that one comes a little more naturally if you read the sentence back before sending it - which also helps with content management ;) [11:01] <|_ocke> but, i'm a teacher as my profession, and i teach computer programs, and also hardware, i teach an A+ cert class and network+ class, and security+ class (all compTIA certs) and i take great pride in teaching people something that they can actually use and that will be of value to them for the rest of their lives, or at least until the technology becomes obsolete [11:02] <|_ocke> it makes me feel good to impart useful knowledge on others, especially when it is knowledge that they are seeking [11:03] |_ocke: Im just trying to make sure you dont get banned again. You can discuss that stuff if you feel like. [11:03] <|_ocke> at work, the people who i teach are seeking general knowledge on the specific program they're taking a class on. but in here, people are seeking specific knowledge on the individual item or problem they're having a problem with [11:03] <|_ocke> jussi01, i hope that you will see if you keep talking to me, that I'm a different person than i was before [11:04] |_ocke: you are very verbal, I dont need to know all that. just try behave ok? :) [11:04] <|_ocke> i've completely sworn off of the drugs that i was on before, and now i only drink beer. not even hard alcohol [11:04] <|_ocke> jussi01, i like to explain myself [11:04] <|_ocke> once again, i'm a teacher by profession, my job is to talk for 8 hours every day [11:05] <|_ocke> so i am used to that, and i explain everything regardless of whether i'm at work or not [11:06] <|_ocke> i totally understand why you guys banned me before, what i said back then was totally inappropriate and i deserved to be banned [11:06] <|_ocke> i don't want to offend anybody, i just had bad judgement [11:08] |_ocke, did you see jussi01's last message? [11:09] <|_ocke> and while my life still happens, and i still have several things going on irl that are at least as crazy if not crazier than the things that i talked about before, i am now sober enough to know what is appropriate to talk about in these channels and what is not [11:09] clearly not. [11:09] <|_ocke> yes i did, i just feel the need to justify myself [11:10] <|_ocke> and demonstrate that i can do it without being inappropriate [11:10] |_ocke, you still need to work on respecting others. We did not want your life story, no matter how much you feel the need to justify. [11:10] when you're asked to stop, as you have been, you need to stop. [11:10] <|_ocke> ok, i'm sorry [11:10] that's the common denominator to your problems with us, the inability to stop. [11:10] <|_ocke> i didn't intend it to be like that [11:11] <|_ocke> i feel bad about the things that i've said before in these channels [11:11] now, you were only asked here to be warned, and you've been warned. you may now return to what you were doing before, and keep what was said here in mind. [11:11] <|_ocke> i felt like i needed to prove that i'm not doing what i did before.. sorry.. i'm done [11:23] |_ocke, you dont need to stay here. [11:24] <|_ocke> ok [11:24] <|_ocke> later [11:40] @bansearch sidewalk [11:40] No matches found for sidewalk!i=sidewalk@shell.glassbilen.net in any channel [12:09] floodbot, once about 10 months ago [12:15] yep [13:06] panarchy is back online [13:06] yes [13:07] he was a jerk yesterday telling the channel to type /clear and other such issues [13:07] he has not changed at all [13:07] ikonia, you'll note that i brought him here to discuss it. [13:07] yup [13:08] ahh he signed out [13:08] watch out for pseudo then [13:08] yup, he's back anywawy [13:13] cross posting again [13:13] what a fool [13:15] just hit ##windows ##windows-server ##c ##c++ to ask about desktop colours ??? [13:22] he didnt cross post into #u though. [13:22] nope [13:22] which means he didnt break our rules in our channels. [13:22] didn't say he did [13:22] just said he was behaving like a jerk [13:23] except you banned him for it? [13:23] nope [13:23] I banned him for not removing the auto join "/me panarchy says hi script" [13:23] ah [13:23] I asked him 3 times - kicked him as a warning and he did it 2 more times [13:23] greetings [13:23] Panarchy, how many times have you been asked to stop the "/me says hi" thing? [13:23] Did I do anything wrong on the #ubuntu channel? If not, why was I banned? [13:24] ah [13:24] Panarchy: how many times in 3 minutes did I ask you to stop [13:24] sorry, started using a different client [13:24] Panarchy: I kicked you - you still did it [13:24] Panarchy: I asked you again - you did it again , and I kicked you [13:24] you did it again [13:24] 3 times ! [13:24] won't happen again [13:24] Panarchy: correct - it wont, you are still unable to follow requests to modify you behaviour [13:24] ever. [13:25] the same way you have not grasped the stop cross posting behaviour [13:25] and the offtopic behaviour [13:25] I seemed to be ontopic on the #ubuntu channel [13:25] yes, you where [13:25] no agrument [13:26] and helped out quite a few people without getting any of my problems solved [13:26] last night [13:26] no - you where an issue last night [13:26] and had to be talked to [13:26] and you contiued that this morning [13:26] Panarchy, we cannot commit the time you seem to require for babysitting. [13:26] and I'll be honest, your behaviour in other channels with this cross-posting rubbish AGAIN, makes me further think you cannot grasp the rules of ANY channels or freenode in general [13:27] ikonia: how about your behavious? Going right for me from the get-go? [13:27] Panarchy, dont even try. [13:27] I'm not going to cut you any slack - you know the rules [13:28] I'm %100 open about that [13:28] Panarchy: you can't write in c++ as you've told us many times [13:28] Panarchy: please stop with these lies [13:28] Panarchy: yes, [13:29] ? [13:29] ikonia: http://pastebin.com/m72f62add [13:29] so ? [13:29] so, you were wrong [13:29] panarchy what does STARTUPINFO si = {0}; ? [13:29] I'm no professional, but I did get create that [13:30] anyway - if you can / cannot - doesn't matter, [13:30] In fact, I'm no where near professional standard, however by reading various tutorials and getting information from various professionals I was able to create that program [13:30] Panarchy: I don't care if you're the best coder in the world [13:30] ikonia: In that case, unban me [13:30] !hello-world [13:30] Panarchy: your ban has nothing to do with being a good coder [13:30] Sorry, I don't know anything about hello-world [13:31] ikonia: Unban me [13:31] no, I'm sorry, you are too much effort [13:32] ikonia: Unban me, please. Thank you [13:32] Panarchy, no. [13:32] Panarchy, i gave you a chance last night, and you blew it. twice. [13:32] Panarchy: repeating the same thing over and over - is one of your problems [13:33] elky: How about the ppl I helped out last-night? [13:33] so ??? [13:33] Panarchy, telling #ubuntu to type /clear is not helping [13:33] elky: And the people I was about to help, until I checked my tabs and saw that I was no longer connected to the #ubuntu channel. [13:33] Panarchy: I helped them [13:33] elky: I explain that. [13:33] Panarchy: don't worry - I fixed the issues [13:33] ikonia: good to hear [13:34] ikonia: You live in a different time-zone to me, right? [13:34] that's not your concern [13:34] Panarchy, i know. then you repeatedly ignored ikonia asking you to stop "/me says hi" today, despite being well aware you had been asked to stop it previously. [13:34] I didn't see ikonia saying that to me [13:35] I had quite a few tabs open at the time, and was working out other things [13:35] But now that I know, it won't happen again [13:35] Panarchy: it was on screen with the people you where helping [13:35] Panarchy: so if you saw that the people you where helping needed help - you saw one of the 3 messages [13:35] Am I allowed to send non "/me" greetings to the #ubuntu channel? [13:35] you already knew it was not welcome. today is not the first day you've been asked to cease it. [13:35] ikonia elky no I dind't. [13:36] *didn;t [13:36] yes you did [13:36] its been said MANY times to you [13:36] Nope [13:36] Missed it [13:36] As I told you, I'm just getting used to the tabs [13:36] Panarchy, no. 1000 people saying 'hi' is not something we want in #ubuntu [13:36] ok - well this dissucssion is over for me then if you don't know that - or your pretending you don't know [13:36] and using Windows 7, so still a little confused [13:36] windows 7 has NOTHING to do with it [13:36] yes [13:36] Windowing system [13:36] switching back and forth [13:36] the rules don't change due to the OS you're on [13:36] Panarchy, you have outstayed your welcome. [13:37] elky, ikonia: I didn't know that ikonia was telling me not to post with /me. ikonia & elky, please allow me one last entry to the #ubuntu channel in order to redeem myself [13:38] Panarchy, that 'one last entry' was the ban lifting i did last night. you already used that chance up. [13:38] elky: The reason I'm banned from #ubuntu now is for the /me stuff. [13:39] it's for the action of insolence that the /me stuff constituted. [13:39] I didn't know/had forgotten that I wasn't meant to do that. Ikonia (apparently) was telling me so, however because I was a little confused with the multitude of tabs, the different windowing system and the multiple servers I was connected to (also constantly typing in /clear) I was unable to cede from /me. Now that I know, it won't happen again [13:40] always an excuse [13:40] you cannot claim innocence. you have been warned dozens of times to stop. [13:40] I missed it [13:40] you ruined the chance i gave you. [13:40] no, please give me another [13:40] no. [13:40] What'll it take? [13:40] i dont accept bribes. [13:41] I wasn't speaking money terms [13:41] What'll it take? [13:41] bribes are rarely financial. [13:41] In order to be unbanned from #ubuntu, what would you like me to do? [13:41] Panarchy: nothing - you can't be trusted [13:41] Panarchy: you are too much of a constant disruption to every channel you are in [13:42] Panarchy, you have to change your behaviour *everywhere* before i'll even try to put a criteria on it. [13:42] starting today, 26/4/2009 at 10:42PM I will no longer be a disruption on any channel within the FreeNode network. [13:42] Panarchy: you've said that many times before [13:42] Panarchy: it carrys no weight with me at all [13:42] starting today, 26/4/2009 at 10:42PM I will no longer knowingly be a disruption on any channel within the FreeNode network. [13:42] Panarchy: you've just said that same thing again - which is one of the things you where told to stop [13:42] I can type this on a channel with a log if you liek [13:42] *like [13:42] you can't even stop that [13:43] Panarchy: you really don't get it, it is pointless discussing it [13:43] Panarchy: do you really think every channel wants to see that ? [13:43] no, it's not [13:43] ikonia: No, I don't think so [13:43] Panarchy: do you not think that saying that in every channel is a disuption ? [13:43] lol [13:43] touche [13:43] Is this channel logged? [13:43] yes [13:43] (officially) [13:43] yes [13:43] problem solved then [13:43] ? [13:43] Panarchy, then please leave. [13:43] Thanks to the aforementioned post, you have written proof [13:44] that I will no longer knowlingly be a disruption within any channel on the FreeNode network [13:44] Panarchy, no, the proof we need comes from you actually doing it. [13:44] Which will come if you let me [13:44] see you in a month then, [13:44] is there really a point to persist with this dance [13:45] elky: Can we make it a week? [13:45] i dont want to see you, or discuss this, any time within the next MONTH. [13:45] Panarchy, no. [13:45] elky: how can we make this a perm ban [13:45] I see no point to waste time with this on a regular basis [13:45] ikonia, he wont keep it up for a whole month. [13:45] Well in that case, my previous contract is void until such a time as this meeting reconvenes. [13:46] "contract" :) [13:46] that's a threat if ever i've seen one. [13:46] can we please just make this a perm ban [13:46] it's a joke to let it continue [13:46] ikonia, he just did. [13:46] ahhh [13:46] ikonia, note, *he* just did. [13:47] * elky cuts the piece of rope and waits for the next one. [13:48] time for a work out [13:48] laters all, === evilGary is now known as Gary [14:29] LjL called the ops in #ubuntu (Guest28642) [14:29] Seeker` called the ops in #ubuntu (Guest28642) [14:30] gah, LjL just beat me [14:31] by so little that i'm pretty sure some servers would show the opposite sequences... [14:31] LjL: mine did [14:32] Seeker`: that was probably just your client, not the server, though [14:32] does the RFC say that the message you send to a channel is sent back toyou? [14:35] i believe no response = success [14:36] pieman35@pool-173-52-216-92.nycmny.fios.verizon.net <-- does that ident look familiar to anyone? [14:39] Seeker`: yes, that's true, but the client (at least, all clients i've ever dealt with) ignore that, and instead just print your message as soon as you hit Enter [14:39] Seeker`: wait, no it's not even true, it's not sent back === Pricey is now known as Prickey [14:41] fair enough [14:43] elky: my logs confirm he's trolled several times using "pieman" as either nick or ident. [14:44] thought so. BT disagreed. [14:46] has had nicks "pieman", "pieman22" and "adam" [14:46] connected from comcast, bethere, verizon and cox [14:46] well, seems he always leaves before he gets a ban [14:46] has anyone with the nick pieman ever contributed anyhthing worthy? [14:46] not in my logs [14:47] good enough for me [14:47] wait, yes [14:47] wait, no [14:47] heh [14:47] i mean - "yes", there's something that looks like a genuine request for help [14:47] but i can see it's still him from the host [14:47] so he was just preparing to say nonsense [14:47] elky: maybe he always leaves before he gets a ban because the ops were too slow :P [14:48] Seeker`, well it's a shame the ops need to crap occasionally. [14:48] overshare [14:48] anyway this is what my logs say about him http://paste.ubuntu.com/158576/ [14:49] pffft, the ops should have the internet wired directly into their brain! :P [14:49] consider it punishment for seeker's comment. express any discontent in his direction. [14:49] Seeker`, oh really now? [14:49] Seeker`: that's clearly impossible. [14:49] Seeker`, mneptok is an op. [14:49] * LjL hopes nobody gets that [14:50] some things should remain un-wired. mneptok's brain is one of them. [14:50] haha [14:51] he has a brain? [14:53] yes, it's... ok, wiring is ok, just not the data-passing type. [15:08] the restraint type ? [15:13] the behavioural adjustment type. [15:19] look at kronix in #ubuntu please thanks [15:29] i need to go sleep. [15:36] Fujisan is the known troll, right, not fujitsu (that still confuses me) [15:37] @btlogin [15:37] popey: now how come fujisan knows about kronix? [15:37] Mez: fujitsu is a bit of a fool too [15:37] at least imo [15:45] popey i am sorry ok [15:45] can we talk about it please [15:45] you come in the channel and take the piss out of us as a group then me individually [15:45] what on earth makes you think I want you in that channel [15:46] it wasnt something i said about the breakfast [15:46] someone else did [15:46] but you brought it to the channel [15:46] it wasnt meant for trolling though [15:47] i am not a bad person [15:47] I don't actually think -ops is the right channel for this discussion, sorry other ops [15:48] yes it is [15:48] -irc would be better [15:48] indeed [15:48] Fujisan: you decide that? [15:48] it happend in a ubuntu channel and your conduct wasnt good either popey [15:48] you said to me you didnt ban me in PM [15:48] Fujisan: have you checked the /topic for this channel? [15:48] and then banned me the minute after i apologized to you already in PM [15:48] very mean [15:48] :( [15:48] LjL? [15:49] Fujisan: this channel is not the right place to discuss something that happened in #ubuntu-uk, contrary to what you claim. and it's pretty arrogant of you to think you know better than this channel's actual users. check the /topic, it will explain things for you. [15:50] English isnt my first language sorry [15:50] what is this channel for then? [15:50] what its topic says. [15:51] like, read it. [15:51] i think popey abused his ops by misleading me [15:51] i saved the logs [15:51] Fujisan, /join #ubuntu-irc [15:51] so i want it reported at least [15:51] Fujisan, please part this channel. [15:52] Piero_Scaruffi, hi how may we help you [15:53] popey: mind, for all i was concerned the discussion could have taken place here... just his way of saying "yes this is the right channel" got me off [15:53] brb bazhang need to go to the toilet [15:53] sorry [15:53] how come i know that nickname [15:54] oh, that's why. [16:00] piero_scaruffi == fujisan [16:07] I thought Fujisan was perm banned on site anyway ? [16:07] I didt know that [16:08] I "thought" - that doesn't mean I'm right [16:08] hoping someone in the know will clarify [16:08] :) [16:09] you are however blessed with more clue in this dept than I. [16:09] maybe not..... [16:21] bah, lots of new people arriving in -uk, doubtless from #defocus or wherever the oddballs hang out [16:22] popey: I thought this WAS where the oddballs hung out? [16:22] popey: are you getting an influx of unusual people ? [16:23] just seeing a few new names in succession === Prickey is now known as Pricey [16:46] -uk is actually getting quite big now [16:46] prickey ??? [16:46] Seeker`: yes, I thought that just before the release [16:46] what is the biggest loco? [16:50] must be a usa one [16:53] define $biggest [16:53] * popey recalls Myrtti saying -fi was busiser than -uk [16:54] where biggest is largest number of people on irc [16:54] yeah, 165 in -fi, 122 in -uk [16:55] hmm [16:55] 122 quality guys though ;) [16:56] well 121, I forgot popey was in there [16:58] meh. -se is 118 :-P [16:58] but considering London have more people than the whole of Sweden... ;-) [17:05] I remember when 30 people was a busy day for -uk [17:46] In #ubuntu-offtopic, admin_masu3701 said: ubottu: but ssh is not GUI...i want to be able to see his pc graphically [17:46] webcam? [17:46] god knows [17:55] 555555555555555555 [17:55] oops [19:35] sigh, -fi-ot is pretty foulmouthed again [19:43] bang some heads [19:45] heh, i only have whining powers there [19:45] prod Myrtti [19:51] they are Finnish. what did you expect? ;-) [20:01] fist fights and stabbings, sure. but no swearing on irc! [20:08] loloololol called the ops in #ubuntu () [20:09] Fool. [20:42] just stopping in, I'm not really here now [20:42] Pici: everything cool ? [20:43] ikonia: actually, its really hot, 91F/33C here [20:44] lucky [20:44] but thats not what I meant ;) [20:44] nono, I'm fine. [20:44] Stopped by the office to fix something they called me about, was checking on IRC while I waited for something to reboot. [20:44] ahh that old trap [20:45] Well, I didn't remember how to fix it, so I wasn't going to randomly tell the helpdesk instructions to fix it if I didn't know if it was going to work [20:45] Oh hi Pici :) [20:45] I'm only 10 minutes away from the office anyway. [20:45] Hi mr. sppon [20:45] spoon rather,. [20:46] Pici: Scranton PA? [20:46]