[00:58] <bokey> ScottK: the bug report was filed yesterday.
[00:58] <ScottK> bokey: What bug?
[00:58] <bokey> ScottK: for inclusion of libical0
[00:58] <ScottK> bokey: I mean what bug number?
[00:59] <bokey> ScottK: sure hang on a sec
[00:59] <bokey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/intrepid-backports/+bug/367131
[00:59] <bokey> ScottK: ^^^^
[00:59] <ScottK> Looking
[01:00] <bokey> Demn you told me to file it lol
[01:00] <bokey> :>
[01:00] <bokey> The calendar plasmoid's chewing up CPU.
[01:00] <bokey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/352673
[01:01] <bokey> other than that its pretty decent
[01:02] <ScottK> Riddell: I just approved ^^^ backport.  I'd appreciate it if you'd take care of it (it's a pre-req for 4.2.2 backport)
[01:02] <ScottK> bokey: Thanks.
[01:02] <ScottK> Gotta run
[01:03] <bokey> ScottK: Sure now worries.
[01:47]  * Gon salio: Ausente por el momento
[01:53]  * Gon ha vuelto.
[02:09] <Riddell> ScottK: that bug asks for libical 0.43-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1
[02:09] <Riddell> jaunty has 0.43-2
[02:09] <Riddell> you want the 0.43-2 version?
[02:13] <Gon> ScottK
[02:13] <Gon> i take an screenshot with my plasma issue
[02:13] <Gon> now
[02:13] <Gon> D:
[02:14] <Gon> https://dl.getdropbox.com/u/164329/instantanea8.png
[02:25] <neversfelde> Gon: what plasma theme is this?
[02:32] <ScottK> Gon: That looks similar to what happens to me.
[02:39] <Gon> neversfelde: oxyglass more
[02:40] <Gon> FAIL! my plasmoids looks horrible XD
[02:42] <Gon> https://dl.getdropbox.com/u/164329/instantanea9.png
[03:23] <lex79> I have same issue with plasma, also with qt 4.5.1
[03:30] <ScottK> Someone with more patience than me needs to write a good bug report.
[03:33] <lex79> ScottK: I think there isn't a steps to reproduce it, so seems difficult to write a bug report :)
[03:35] <ScottK> Yes, that's why I haven't, but at least describe the  problem.
[03:47] <lex79> ScottK: I asked in #plasma and the answer is:
[03:47] <lex79> lex79: as far as i can tell, there is no such problem in kde 4.2.2 (i am running it). you should bother the kubuntu guys to get working graphics drivers
[03:48] <lex79> hmmmm :)
[03:48] <ScottK> OK.
[03:49] <ScottK> lex79: Then I'd ask tomorrow in #ubuntu-x about what would need to be in a useful bug report.
[03:52] <lex79> ok, as you want, btw I think is not driver issue, I tried different versions of nvidia driver.
[04:02] <ScottK> And it happens to me with Intel
[04:02] <ScottK> So if it's an X thing, it may not be a driver, but something else.
[04:03] <lex79> sure
[09:52] <mvo> Riddell: what should we do with bugs like bug #366482 - its caused by the problem that there is no debconf frontend for qt4 and therefore sun java does not instal (pre-inst failure). we could refuse to upgrade packages with known problem like sun-java here? or switch to terminal debconf (ugly)?
[10:06] <eagles0513875> mvo: is that being installed using kubuntu-restriced-extras or just the java package. cuz for me java installed fine in the kubuntu-restricted-extras package
[10:07] <ghostcube> mvo i updated with update-manager -d on kubuntu and all worked fine :)
[10:07] <ghostcube> and sun is 6.13.1
[10:07] <eagles0513875> and i installed with kubuntu-restricted-extras and it installed fine
[10:07] <mvo> ghostcube: did you use the gtk or the kde frontend? its only a problem with the kde frontend because there is no debconf qt4 frontend
[10:08] <ghostcube> the only strange thing i have is installing mysql5 will now autoremove akonadi-server- and akonadi-kde
[10:08] <ghostcube> mvo, i think i used the gtk frontend
[10:08] <mvo> ghostcube: thanks
[10:08] <ghostcube> update-manager is gtk in generall from konsole or ?
[10:08] <mvo> eagles0513875: its a user bugreport, I don't know how he installed it. but I'm pretty certain the problem is the missing debconf support
[10:09] <eagles0513875> gotcha
[10:09] <mvo> ghostcube: yeah, update-manager is gtk (but the release upgrader component is also available for text and kde)
[10:09] <ghostcube> mvo, i had this problem too for an kde 3.x to 4.x update with the kde own installer a time ago
[10:09]  * mvo nods
[11:19] <Riddell> mvo: we should probably look into writing a debconf frontend for karmic?
[11:19] <Riddell> mvo: for jaunty just refusing to upgrade would be acceptable if you think that's possible as a SRU
[12:30] <ScottK> Riddell: Would you please do the backport in bug 367131?  It's a blocker for 4.2.2 and I'd like to get started on that while the buildds are still not very busy.
[12:34] <Riddell> ScottK: version number was the query
[12:35] <Riddell> 02:09 < Riddell> ScottK: that bug asks for libical 0.43-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1
[12:35] <Riddell> 02:09 < Riddell> jaunty has 0.43-2
[12:35] <Riddell> 02:09 < Riddell> you want the 0.43-2 version?
[12:35] <ScottK> Riddell: I missed that.
[12:35] <ScottK> Let me  see.
[12:39] <ScottK> Riddell: 0.43-2.  There is no ubuntu1, the versioning in the PPA is just unfortunate.
[12:51] <Riddell> groovy, backported
[13:04] <ScottK> OK.  Here we go then.
[13:25]  * Riddell keeps hands inside the carrage
[13:25]  * seele sighs
[13:26] <seele> kpackagekit has some problems, doesn't it
[13:26] <seele> and theyre different problems from adept so it is impossible to figure out if switching was a good idea or not
[13:26]  * seele pokes her eye with a stick
[13:27] <Riddell> ouch!
[13:27] <eagles0513875> compared to adept its much better organized
[13:28] <seele> yes, but barfing a forking error every time you update is unreasonable
[13:29]  * eagles0513875 swears at having to try and revoke his gpg key oon launcpad
[13:33] <Riddell> seele: is that the timeout error?
[13:40] <Riddell> I've uploaded a version with a raised timeout to my PPA
[13:41] <seele> Riddell: yeah
[13:42] <Riddell> mm, 4.2.3 in two days time
[13:51] <Riddell> seele: try packagekit from my ppa  deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/jr/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main
[13:51] <Riddell> see if that helps
[14:02] <neversfelde> there is a "© 2005-2008 Canonical Ltd" on kubuntu.org, should be 2009?
[14:04] <Riddell> I suspect that applies to the theme (stolen from ubuntu.com) rather than the content (which is community made)
[14:07] <neversfelde> sure, should be changed in the theme, but maybe this is not a high priority bug :)
[14:07] <seele> kpackagekit is written in c++, right?
[14:11] <JontheEchidna> correct
[14:16] <txwikinger_work> finally Kubuntu at work :)
[14:22] <neversfelde> :)
[14:22] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: do you have any kdelibs insight?
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> a|wen: in regards to what?
[14:25] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: is the file /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/designer/kdewidgets.so placed correctly, or shouldn't that be /usr/lib/kde4/plugins/designer/kdewidgets.so ?
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> hm
[14:25] <Riddell> it's a plugin for a qt app
[14:26] <a|wen> Riddell: so location is correct?
[14:26] <Riddell> I'd say so
[14:26] <Riddell> but check it works still
[14:27] <a|wen> milian: /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/designer/kdewidgets.so should be the right placement ... what exactly caused you trouble regarding it?
[14:36] <Riddell> seele: I can't recreate that packagekit issue today.  have you had any luck with the package in the PPA?
[14:38] <seele> Riddell: haven't restarted kde yet.. i will after my meeting (20 minutes)
[14:38] <eagles0513875> Riddell: i am noticing another bug but its probably not related to seele's but i have noticed after changing the sources it refuses to reload them
[14:41] <Riddell> refuses?
[14:41] <Riddell> what sort of changes?
[14:42] <eagles0513875> Riddell: any kinda whether it be adding source code repos pre release switching which repos are used
[14:42] <eagles0513875> i hit reload and the same box comes back up asking me to reload or close
[14:42] <eagles0513875> i end up updating my repos via command line
[14:42] <Riddell> rollocks
[14:43] <eagles0513875> what do you mean
[14:45] <Riddell> just annoyed at what sounds like a significant problem
[14:46] <eagles0513875> do you recommend filing a bug against the new package manager
[14:46] <Riddell> yeah I guess so
[14:46] <Riddell> kpackagekit
[14:46] <Riddell> there may well already be one
[14:46] <eagles0513875> ill look and if need be confirm it
[14:47] <eagles0513875> uck is giving me grief as well
[14:50] <ScottK> Riddell: Would you please accept the kde4libs in Intrepid (backports).  The LP U/I is giving me fits right now.
[14:51] <Riddell> k
[14:52] <Riddell> ScottK: done
[14:53] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[14:55] <Riddell> I wonder if we should organise a meeting to discuss UDS plans
[14:55] <Riddell> I wonder who's even going to UDS
[14:56] <eagles0513875> Riddell: not sur if you would like to confirm this bug
[14:56] <eagles0513875> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kpackagekit/+bug/367972
[14:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: wasn't that supposed to be decided months ago?
[14:59] <a|wen> Riddell: +1 for your PPA scheme! that looks very sane to me
[15:00] <Riddell> Hobbsee: which?
[15:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: who's going to UDS
[15:01] <Riddell> maybe, doesn't mean I know about it
[15:01]  * ScottK probably ought to make some travel arrangements.  
[15:01] <Hobbsee> ah
[15:02] <seele> Riddell: didn't have any problems updating a few things from your ppa, so hopefully it's fixed
[15:06]  * jussi01 wishes he was going....
[15:21] <txwikinger_work> Does anybody have problems using firefox on jaunty Kubuntu?
[15:22] <eagles0513875> what kind of problem
[15:22] <txwikinger_work> I can't retrieve websites anymore
[15:22] <txwikinger_work> I can enter the url into the address field, but I can not start it to download it
[15:23] <eagles0513875> you probably have it set to working offline
[15:24] <txwikinger_work> No
[15:24] <txwikinger_work> I tried that
[15:25] <Riddell> rm -r ~/.mozilla  :)
[15:27] <eagles0513875> there was another nasty bug i found on launch pad that i found in regards to firefox
[15:27] <eagles0513875> it some how was causing this persons pc to use 90% of processor
[15:30] <txwikinger_work> Riddell: same difference
[15:30] <Riddell> txwikinger_work: using network manager?
[15:30] <txwikinger_work> no don't think so
[15:31] <Riddell> you aren't?
[15:31] <Riddell> maybe firefox expects you to use network manager
[15:31] <txwikinger_work> it is not really the downloading.. it does not seem to get the event
[15:31] <txwikinger_work> it does?
[15:31] <txwikinger_work> At home I don't use it either
[15:31] <txwikinger_work> and firefox works
[15:31] <Riddell> dunno, just a thought, this isn't really the place for firefox problems, not my area
[15:32] <txwikinger_work> :D
[15:32] <txwikinger_work> I only need it because of firebug.. maybe we need to have something like that in Konqui
[15:34] <ScottK> Way to veer back on topic.
[15:34] <eagles0513875> lol
[15:38]  * seele grumbles about openoffice STILL not supporting transparent pngs
[15:40] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UDSKarmic/Attendees is lacking any Kubuntu types
[15:42] <ScottK> The sarcastic reply is we figure there's no point in going since Ayatana is just going to design it for us anyway.
[15:42] <ScottK> The true reply is I figured I'd add myself after I get travel plans.
[15:44]  * txwikinger_work has not gotten any response
[15:46] <Riddell> txwikinger_work: response from what?
[15:46] <txwikinger_work> canonical
[15:46] <Riddell> txwikinger_work: about what?
[15:46] <txwikinger_work> if I get sponsored
[15:47] <Riddell> let me ask
[15:47] <sebas> Who is packaging the networkmanager plasmoid?
[15:48] <sebas> Riddell: I'm planning to attend UDS, but canot find the invitation email anymore
[15:48] <sebas> Needed to clear some things up before I could say that I can attend, but that's happened now
[15:52] <Riddell> sebas: jcastro says he'll resend
[15:52] <sebas> Riddell: ah cool, thanks
[15:52] <Riddell> txwikinger_work: ask jcastro (he says he e-mailed you at the time)
[15:53] <txwikinger_work> ok.. I will
[15:53] <sebas> As to the networkmanager plasmoid, in the archives there's a pretty outdated snapshot
[15:53] <sebas> The most critical issues are fixed in current svn, so an update would make a lot of sense
[15:53] <sebas> Will has also fixed the build on top of 4.2, if that was the reason
[15:54] <Riddell> sebas: there's no paticular person tasked to packaging it.  me and others looked at svn versions about three and one week before release and it seemed to be more buggy
[15:54] <Riddell> sebas: but if now is a good time to do a package an update would indeed make a lot of sense
[15:54] <sebas> last week fixed quite some bugs
[15:54] <eagles0513875> Riddell: the only problem which seems to still be around is static ip issue
[15:55] <sebas> eagles0513875: filed a bug?
[15:55] <sebas> preferably on bugs.kde.org
[15:55] <Riddell> eagles0513875: WPA is said to be broken, got told of problems with WEP today
[15:55] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/bugs/339313
[15:55] <sebas> I'm using it with WPA, and I'm connected
[15:55] <sebas> so it's at least not totally borked
[15:56] <sebas> I doubt it's overall more broken than that snapshot though
[15:56] <a|wen> sebas: i think it was WPA2 that had some problems, whereas WPA1 did work okay
[15:56] <eagles0513875> Riddell: im connected to wpa as we speak  as well as at home
[15:57] <sebas> a|wen: I can't test that unfortunately
[15:57] <eagles0513875> sebas: no i have not yet in regards to the static ip issue
[15:57]  * a|wen can't test that either
[16:01] <Riddell> open week starting in #ubuntu-classroom
[16:04] <Riddell> hmm and I'm down to do a talk today, what should I say?
[16:05] <Sput> sebas: I had a problem with nm-applet keeping to ask for my password, and refusing to connect... though it worked once
[16:05] <Sput> sebas: haven't properly investigated though :/
[16:05] <Riddell> nm-applet not really sebas's concern :)
[16:06] <sebas> Sput: that's the GNOME applet, I don't know its code
[16:06] <Sput> sebas: can't networkmanager connect to wireless pre-login, btw?
[16:06] <Sput> sebas: I meant networkmanager-applet :)
[16:06] <sebas> That one's fixed, Sput :)
[16:06] <sebas> update from svn
[16:06] <Sput> nm-applet fails similarly though, it stores the password in its keyring and then prompts me again... displaying the password *hash*
[16:06] <Sput> sebas: ah ok, very recently? I thought I tested with some version last week
[16:07] <Sput> ooooh. intel guys fixed KMS compeltely broken for my card.
[16:09] <sebas> Sput: yeah, very recently
[16:09] <sebas> iirc that is
[16:11] <Sput> sebas: ok, I can try again :)
[16:11] <Sput> currently I keep switching between wicd and networkmanager *g*
[16:12] <sebas> yeah, networkmanager in kde4 is not quite ready for prime time
[16:12] <sebas> but constantly getting closer
[16:12] <sebas> One of the more visibly lacking things is proper artwork
[16:15] <Riddell> hugs to sebas and will for working on it
[16:16]  * |eagles051387| hugs all the dev's for creating the best distro around
[16:17] <Riddell> yay!
[16:19] <Sput> sebas: ah yes, I see a lot of commits since I last updated
[16:19] <Sput> will try again :)
[16:21] <ScottK> Riddell: Reading the backscroll I'm glad we left KNetworkManager on the DvD.
[16:21] <Riddell> ScottK: mm, totally
[16:25] <|eagles051387|> if anyone needs me to test something let me know
[16:34] <Sput> sebas: fun, after upgrading to current drm-intel-next kernel, I can't suspend/resume via commandline (hibernate-ram) script anymore, but PowerDevil has stopped kicking me out of X and can actually resume now :D
[16:35] <Sput> except that it locks the screen after resuming now :)
[16:36] <ScottK> Suspend/resume works fine here on my Intel laptop with my release based distro ....
[16:37] <seele> anyone know what plasma files you have to rm to get a clean desktop? i've still got old theme files and images
[16:37] <seele> e.g. the logout image is still skewed when in a new user it is fixed
[16:42] <Riddell> seele:  rm -r  ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* ~/.kde/share/apps/plasma*  I'd say
[16:42] <sebas> It's probably pixmapcachages though, not config files
[16:46] <Riddell> oh why does my todo list keep getting longer today instead of shorter
[16:48] <seele> sebas: are those cached somewhere?
[16:50] <sebas> yeah, but I dunno where right now :o
[16:50] <Sput> sebas: clicking any of the wireless connections doesn't do anything
[16:52] <sebas> seele: <alediaferia> sebas: ~/.kde4/cache-hostname/kpc?
[16:52] <sebas> Sput: any output in the console?
[16:53] <sebas> (plasmoidviewer networkmanagement to test)
[16:53]  * sebas << dinner
[16:54] <Riddell> dinner is strictly greater than sebas, that's a large dinner!
[16:54] <ryanakca> hehe :)
[17:02] <seele> damnit, my plasma bar still isn't transparent
[17:02] <seele> and the logout menu is still skewed
[17:02] <seele> hmm
[17:03] <a|wen> seele: what desktop style do you use?
[17:05] <seele> a|wen: default
[17:05] <seele> so whatever that is
[17:06] <seele> it's supposed to have a transparent panel or something. i created a new user and all this stuff is fixed, it's just my old account that has weird stuff
[17:06] <seele> and i can't just rm -rf .kde/ either.. too much important stuff
[17:10] <a|wen> delete everythin plasma-related in .kde and delete you kde-cache + kde-tmp while logged out, and the login again ... that would be my best guess
[17:11]  * a|wen goes hunting for the missing letters in his sentences
[17:12] <seele> a|wen: i did
[17:12] <seele> that's why i'm confused
[17:12] <seele> is there anything outside .kde i should be removing?
[17:13] <JontheEchidna> I turned compositing off, removed ~/.kde/cache-hostname/kpc/*, then turned desktop effects back on
[17:13] <JontheEchidna> and now my panel is transparent
[17:14] <seele> hmm.. what/where is the compositing option?
[17:14] <JontheEchidna> desktop effects == compostiing
[17:15] <seele> JontheEchidna: when you log out is the Moon image skewed like in intrepid or is it fixed?
[17:16] <JontheEchidna> Only if I had compositing on, then turn it off
[17:16] <JontheEchidna> the dialog gets a weird border, and the moon is stretched
[17:16] <seele> wow
[17:16] <seele> yeah.. i got it now.. thanks :)
[17:17] <JontheEchidna> :)
[17:33] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: do you have any impressive stats on how many bugs you've triaged?
[17:33] <JontheEchidna> I haven't really been keeping track
[17:34] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: any impressive numbers I can wow an audience with?
[17:34] <eagles0513875> can i ask a question in regards to triaging bugs or should i ask elsewhere
[17:35] <Riddell> you may
[17:35] <eagles0513875> is triaging a bug one where a bug cannot be reproduced?
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> According to Launchpad, I have over 5,000 bugs related to me: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INVALID&field.status%3Alist=WONTFIX&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status%3Alist=FIXRELEASED&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_supervisor=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_cve.used=&field.tag=&field.tags_combinator=ANY
[17:36]  * JontheEchidna really hates the size of launchpad search urls
[17:36] <eagles0513875> lol
[17:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do we have a minion again?
[17:37] <JontheEchidna> we need minions
[17:37]  * apachelogger remembers saying something that everyone who applies for mofu must first get in a new minion
[17:37] <eagles0513875> well im working on confirming bugs
[17:38] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: are you capable of doing proper bug forwarding as well? ;-)
[17:38] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: im willing ot learn
[17:38] <eagles0513875> *to
[17:39] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: take bug 333528 and get eagles0513875 filled in on the finer points of upstreaming please :)
[17:39] <eagles0513875> im currently fixedmy pgp key on launchpad which im currently trying to sign ubuntu code of conduct which isnt working for some reason but thats besides the point
[17:39] <eagles0513875> :)
[17:40]  * eagles0513875 still waiting
[17:42] <JontheEchidna> sorry
[17:42] <JontheEchidna> Ok, so basically forwarding bugs means filing a bug with KDE
[17:42] <eagles0513875> its ok JontheEchidna i understand your busy
[17:43] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: ok
[17:43] <JontheEchidna> actually I was watching yotube :P
[17:43] <eagles0513875> so much for work
[17:43] <JontheEchidna> anyway, we need to give the kde developers as much info as possible
[17:43] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: can i pm ya with something offtopic
[17:43] <JontheEchidna> so once we get enough info we file bugs at bugs.kde.org
[17:43] <JontheEchidna> eagles0513875: sure
[17:44]  * eagles0513875 love the name for 9.10
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> let me see if I can find a good example...
[17:45] <eagles0513875> ok
[17:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: can I assign a bug to you, so that it gets taken care of for karmic? .... it's about a main inclusion
[17:46] <apachelogger> bug 333528
[17:46] <apachelogger> bug 66362 rather :)
[17:46] <JontheEchidna> sure
[17:47] <eagles0513875> is the new konversation4 gonna be included in karmic
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> I think it's pretty safe to say that we'll upgrade konversation to its KDE4 version in Karmic
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> I've been using it for a month or so and it's pretty good as it is
[17:48] <eagles0513875> someone was talking bout i think there is no newer package or something of it in the ppa's
[17:48] <eagles0513875> im willing to package it if need be
[17:49] <JontheEchidna> ok, so here's an example of a bug I forwarded: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=185061
[17:49] <JontheEchidna> Actually, I forgot to include the link to the bug at launchpad
[17:49] <JontheEchidna> but it's bug 332187
[17:49] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: question when you backtrace. you need the dbg package installed right
[17:50] <JontheEchidna> eagles0513875: yes
[17:50] <eagles0513875> ok :)
[17:50] <apachelogger> Nightrose: bug 316256
[17:50] <Nightrose> apachelogger: looking
[17:51] <JontheEchidna> eagles0513875: so in the case of bug 33528 you'd file an upstream bug saying "This bug was originally reported at https://launchpad.net/bugs/332187" and then give the reproduction steps and backtrace
[17:51] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: gotcha
[17:52] <Nightrose> apachelogger: will poke Daniel about it again
[17:52] <apachelogger> Nightrose: kthx
[17:52] <JontheEchidna> eagles0513875: then you'd go back to the launchpad bug, open up the "KDE Educational Application" task, and put that url in
[17:53] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: just link back to the bug filed upstream
[17:53] <JontheEchidna> you see on the bug where it says "KDE Educational Applications"?
[17:53] <eagles0513875> give me a sec
[17:55] <eagles0513875> Riddell: can i pm ya with a quick question
[17:56] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: i see what your saying under assigned to you put the link to the upstream bug report
[17:56] <JontheEchidna> exactly
[17:56] <Riddell> eagles0513875: try it and see :)
[17:56] <eagles0513875> lol :( you got me scared now Riddell
[17:56] <Nightrose> apachelogger: Daniel says he dosn't think anything was done there
[17:57] <apachelogger> Nightrose: upstream bug should be confirmed I guess :)
[17:57] <Nightrose> hmmm
[17:58] <Arminius> hey
[17:58] <Arminius> for asking for an update of the package list, shall I write to the mail list?
[17:58] <Arminius> the kubuntu package that is on the package list of Adept, is not the up to date version...
[17:59] <JontheEchidna> Arminius: you should file a reports at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[18:00] <Arminius> ok thx ;)
[18:00] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: didn't we have a bug like bug 367164 before?
[18:00]  * JontheEchidna is having a hard time finding it
[18:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: about rooting not working?
[18:04] <eagles0513875> i just want some feedback for you guys. i end up stripping kde back to command line then installing only kdebase would it be possible to include a 3rd version where kubuntu comes with nothing but base kde to allow for installing of what ever the end user wants. i am not sure if it is just me or not but it is a million times faster
[18:04] <apachelogger> that one is in kdesudo and hopefully fixed
[18:05] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah, it was a kdesudo issue
[18:05] <apachelogger> no cookies for tonio :P
[18:05] <eagles0513875> this is a rather nasty and annoying bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-network-manager/+bug/349445
[18:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, eagles0513875: bug 357511 needs forwarding
[18:06] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: poke sebas with it
[18:06] <eagles0513875> sebas: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-network-manager/+bug/349445
[18:06]  * eagles0513875 feels really good helping improve kubuntu
[18:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: maybe you should bump https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18373
[18:40] <txwikinger_work> can software updates authenticate against ldap?
[18:43] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: did you post a bug upstream yet bug # 357511 or would you like me to do that
[18:44] <JontheEchidna> eagles0513875: I was going to let you do it
[18:44] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: i was going to just wanted to make sure you did do it while i was eating dinner
[18:45] <JontheEchidna> ok, that's cool
[18:46] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: bugs.kde.org
[18:46] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[18:49]  * eagles0513875 forgot my bugs.kde.org password lol
[18:50] <sebas> eagles0513875: please update to the latest version in SVN, I'm almost sure it's fixed
[18:50] <sebas> Or poke someone to update the package in the archive
[18:50] <eagles0513875> sebas: apachelogger told me to poke you about it
[18:50] <sebas> I saw that, doesn't change anything wrt the above :)
[18:50] <eagles0513875> sebas: what repos is it in
[18:51] <sebas> Wait ... poke apachelogger to update the packages :)
[18:51] <sebas> main, I guess
[18:51] <sebas> I just installed the package today and saw that it's way outdated
[18:51] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: can you update the package for network manager re the bug i linked earlier
[18:51] <sebas> So bugreports right now aren't useful unless you're running svn
[18:51] <apachelogger> it tends to become that way after release :P
[18:52] <sebas> conclusion: don't ship code that's in playground?
[18:52] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: can't, too little time ... ask JontheEchidna or Tonio_
[18:52] <sebas> It has up and downsides
[18:52] <apachelogger> sebas: I would have shipped nm-applet to be honest :D
[18:52] <eagles0513875> sebas: this is much better then knetworkmanager
[18:52] <sebas> Keeps us on the toes, but also yields a lot of fixed-already-bugreports
[18:52] <eagles0513875> hey JontheEchidna
[18:53] <sebas> apachelogger: I would have called that a smart move, tbh :)
[18:53] <eagles0513875> sebas: why not have it added karmic
[18:53] <apachelogger> anyway, I suppose we could just push a more recent snapshot to jaunty-backports
[18:53] <sebas> eagles0513875: don't ask me, I'm just a developer but haven't been involved with that decision
[18:53] <sebas> Probably because we *tried* to get  it in shape in time, but that didn't happen yet
[18:54] <a|wen> eagles0513875: karmic is not open for uploads yet
[18:54] <sebas> apachelogger: well, no one wants that ancient SVN snapshot in main, so updating that makes way more sense
[18:54] <eagles0513875> a|wen: is there a wishlist for stuff to be added to karmic
[18:54] <sebas> Assuming it actually is in main
[18:55] <sebas> eagles0513875: it's called your personal TODO list :)
[18:55] <a|wen> eagles0513875: well; updated packages of everything ;)
[18:55] <eagles0513875> ya lol
[18:56] <apachelogger> sebas: you should drop a mail to the list ... indeed it makes sense, then again we wouldn't want to risk regression so it shoudl go through a prelonged testing stage and stuff, which then again makes it outdated once it is in jaunty-updates ... but in theory it would make a lot of sense :)
[18:56] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: how many people do you think there are looking out for Kubuntu bugs?
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[18:58] <JontheEchidna> lex79 does some work on bugs
[18:58] <sebas> apachelogger: tbh, I'm quite extremely busy this week, and I don't even use the package
[18:58] <sebas> running trunk makes more sense since I often end up fixing the bugs
[18:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 47133 needs uberforwarding
[18:59] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: what was that bug that you linked earlier trying to consolidate open browsers and accidentally closed the bug
[18:59] <apachelogger> sebas: oh dear, that sounds like "nah, you do it" :P
[18:59] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: apachelogger was the other big triager, until his employment
[18:59] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: dunno, read backlog
[18:59] <lex79> JontheEchidna: yes a bit :)
[19:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you need to go recruit em nasty triagers
[19:00]  * a|wen tries to care for kubuntu packages in universe
[19:00] <eagles0513875> well im helping confirm bugs when i can
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> yeah, the MOTUs do a good job looking after universe
[19:01] <a|wen> if you have any packages in that category that i'm totally overlooking, just give me a hint
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> Lure does a good job with digikam
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> a|wen likes kile
[19:02] <a|wen> i need to have it work, for the next time i have to write one of those big reports :)
[19:03]  * apachelogger thinks digikam should go main
[19:03]  * eagles0513875 likes kile 2
[19:03]  * apachelogger even more thinks digikam should go CD
[19:03] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: basically i copy the problem as well as how to reproduce the bug right
[19:04] <JontheEchidna> eagles0513875: The problem, steps to reproduce, the backtrace
[19:04] <sebas> apachelogger: exactly :)
[19:04] <a|wen> eagles0513875: i have an sru on the way for you to test when it gets accepted in main
[19:04] <JontheEchidna> also linking to the launchpad bug report is good too
[19:04] <a|wen> in -proposed
[19:04] <eagles0513875> a|wen: sweet :) im a latex addict
[19:04] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: there is no back trace https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeedu/+bug/357511
[19:04] <apachelogger> sebas: man, now I gotta find someone else to do it
[19:04] <apachelogger> delegation < work at times
[19:04] <Riddell> Mamarok: what does "Ubuntu Forums Beginners Team Education Focus Group" do?
[19:04] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: do what
[19:05] <Riddell> for that matter what does "Harald Sitter's Groupies" do?
[19:05] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: write a mail
[19:05] <sebas> Riddell: lol :D
[19:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: send me flowers once a month
[19:05] <JontheEchidna> eagles0513875: oh, I thought we were talking about bug 333528
[19:05] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: nope
[19:05] <eagles0513875> i thought you did that one JontheEchidna
[19:06] <JontheEchidna> I could do it
[19:07] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: ill do that bug you just linked what bout that other bug. what do i do since there isnt a backtrace
[19:07] <JontheEchidna> backtraces are only useful in crashes anyways
[19:07] <JontheEchidna> so just give the problem, steps to reproduce, link to the bug
[19:07] <JontheEchidna> adding a copy of the attached picture to the KDE bug wouldn't hurt
[19:08] <eagles0513875> you want i do both bugs
[19:08] <JontheEchidna> that's fine
[19:10] <apachelogger> huh
[19:10] <apachelogger> it's openweek again
[19:10] <apachelogger> huh
[19:10] <apachelogger> master Riddell is doing a session
[19:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you get that mp3-support bug forward
[19:11] <apachelogger> that one was rotting for far too long
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> doing it now ;-)
[19:11] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: noob question the bug reporting wizard is asking what kde version and distribution method am i off to a good start
[19:11] <apachelogger> \o/
[19:11] <apachelogger> ~order cookie for JontheEchidna
[19:11]  * kubotu slides one of world's finest cookies down the bar to JontheEchidna.
[19:12] <JontheEchidna> eagles0513875: I guess, yeah
[19:12]  * eagles0513875 gives the room a gigantic cookie fore the best distro around
[19:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: I hope you  don't mind if I use you as an example of a model Kubuntu contributor
[19:12] <JontheEchidna> give it the version that the reporter reported with or the most recent version that it's reproducible in
[19:12] <a|wen> Riddell / ryanakca: the link to "KDE 4.2 announcement" on http://www.kubuntu.org/news/9.04-release doesn't work ... it should be updated to http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.2/ (or the 4.2.2 announcement?)
[19:12] <ryanakca> a|wen: Sure.
[19:13] <apachelogger> Riddell:  not at all, I have the biggest .... ego anyway :)
[19:13] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: it doesnt say what version  of kde that is being used
[19:13] <Riddell> Mamarok: you're not a kubuntu member?  we should change that
[19:14] <a|wen> eagles0513875: new upstream snapshot of the network-manager-widget uploaded to https://launchpad.net/~andreas-wenning/+archive/ppa ... cross fingers and hope that it builds ;)
[19:14] <eagles0513875> thanks im guessing it uses cmake a|wen
[19:15] <apachelogger> claydoh: bleeding-edge is too clumsy IMHO
[19:15] <ryanakca> a|wen: kde.org/announcements/announce-4.2.2.php or kde.org/announcements/4.2/guide.php ?
[19:15] <apachelogger> claydoh: experimental fits the usecase best ... as that includes any kind of unstable software and/or packaging
[19:15] <claydoh> apachelogger: yes, I agree after looking at it, its just a word anyway :)
[19:16] <a|wen> Riddell: what do you think? which kde 4.2 / 4.2.2 announcement?
[19:16] <Riddell> a|wen: 4.2
[19:16] <Riddell> people are interested in the main release not the bugfixes
[19:17] <a|wen> ryanakca: number two, please :)
[19:17] <ryanakca> OK, thanks
[19:17] <claydoh> apachelogger: but I do see people getting a little confused by too may repos, and normal backports as wel
[19:18] <claydoh> or rather any overlap
[19:18] <claydoh> but that most likely wouldn't be a problem in most cases I assume
[19:20] <ryanakca> a|wen: fixed
[19:20] <a|wen> ryanakca: thx!
[19:21] <apachelogger> claydoh: those people that would get confused, wouldn't know what updates and backports are for anyway ;-)
[19:21] <apachelogger> it however raises a support problem
[19:21] <claydoh> apachelogger: won't stop 'em though :)
[19:21] <apachelogger> like that dood comes along and says "after latest amarok update from backports it is crashing at startup"
[19:21] <apachelogger> does he mean ubuntu's backports or kubuntu's
[19:21] <ScottK> Those should be supported if they are from actual backports.
[19:22] <ScottK> apachelogger: There's only one backports repo and both use it.
[19:22] <apachelogger> ScottK: see ppa thread on the list
[19:22] <claydoh> so we use -updates ppa as we have historically done, then -experimental, then -ninja
[19:22]  * ScottK looks for updates on the topic.
[19:23] <apachelogger> claydoh: not sure, but the naming might be a problem
[19:23] <apachelogger> then again .... how many users do actually know what name a certain ppa actually has?
[19:24] <Riddell> ScottK: do you process New queue?
[19:24] <ScottK> Sometimes.
[19:24] <Riddell> ScottK: what other archive admin tasks do you do?
[19:25] <Riddell> I'm planning on using you as another model developer in my talk
[19:25] <claydoh> apachelogger: well the naming is not important, really
[19:25] <ScottK> I can accept/reject into frozen pockets.  This means -backports and -proposed (although I only do that for Unvierse/Multivers).
[19:26] <ScottK> Also accept into -release with the development version is frozen (I also just do this for Universe/Multiverse)
[19:26] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: did i do this right https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=190860
[19:27] <ScottK> Riddell: I can also prepare sync/backports for the syncbugbot, but because i don't work for Canonical, I need someone with data center access to actually run it for me.
[19:27] <JontheEchidna> eagles0513875: looks good
[19:27] <eagles0513875> :)
[19:27] <eagles0513875> im having trouble changing the assigned to on the bug for some reason
[19:28] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: nm its working slight lag spike
[19:28] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks to pitti's sru-accept.py, when I do accept and SRU via LP gui, all the bug changing magic gets done just like if I had data center access.
[19:28] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: does this look good as well
[19:29] <eagles0513875> a|wen: question what do you recommend in regards to network widget the one from source or prepackaged
[19:30] <ScottK> Riddell: Since I'm also the motu-release team, I'm one stop shopping to get stuff in for Universe/Multiverse during release freezes (I can both approve and do it) and I found the new queuediff (pitti again) really useful for that.
[19:30] <ScottK> Riddell: Does that answer your question?
[19:31] <Riddell> super, thanks ScottK
[19:31]  * txwikinger_work has figured out the firefox problem
[19:31] <Riddell> although you're missing a photo in your launchpad profile
[19:31] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: is it better to request syncs after karmic is open? That's what I was thinking
[19:31] <a|wen> eagles0513875: it should be the same ... the only thing we have changed in the source is a category in the .desktop file
[19:31] <eagles0513875> txwikinger_work: was going to ask you about that
[19:31] <txwikinger_work> Do you have the same problem?
[19:31] <ScottK> Riddell: Missing would imply it's by accident.
[19:31] <txwikinger_work> It is an sqlite problem
[19:31] <eagles0513875> a|wen: if i opt to compile from source im guess its cmake or the normal make make clean make install all that
[19:32] <Riddell> ScottK: :)
[19:32] <txwikinger_work> since the update to jaunty, sqlite does not work anymore on nfs
[19:32] <eagles0513875> txwikinger_work: no i dont have that and im using firefox as we speak
[19:32] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: doesn't really matter, you can open bugs, or you can poke me at the time with what needs done
[19:32] <JontheEchidna> ok
[19:32] <a|wen> eagles0513875: probably ... i personally always find it easier to make things as proper .deb packages :)
[19:33] <eagles0513875> a|wen: well ill download the package :)
[19:33] <eagles0513875> whose in charge of kpackagekit
[19:36] <Riddell> anyone who wants to be
[19:36] <Riddell> we don't have package maintainers
[19:37] <eagles0513875> that bug that i mentioned earlier of the dialogue box when you hit reload it doesnt reload it brings back the dialoge box asking reload or close
[19:38] <Mamarok> Riddell: of course, I fully agree with you :)
[19:38] <eagles0513875> i guess i can get a hold of the source code and try and find the issue
[19:39] <Mamarok> Riddell: is there already a meetin scheduled?
[19:39] <Riddell> Mamarok: you're going to be another of my model KDE dudes
[19:39] <Riddell> Mamarok: no there's not, we should schedule one
[19:39] <Riddell> what's the website called for scheduling meetings again?
[19:39]  * apachelogger thinks Mamarok would be perfectly fitted for scheduling one :P
[19:39]  * eagles0513875 is ready to go ape on kpackagekit
[19:39] <apachelogger> doodle.ch I think
[19:39] <apachelogger> *cough*
[19:40] <apachelogger> I might have catched a cold
[19:40] <Mamarok> apachelogger: usually yes, but not tonight, I have to run to work now, I'm already late
[19:40] <apachelogger> ugh, night shifts
[19:40] <Mamarok> apachelogger: but if your pateince extends to tomorrow I would be happy to do so :)
[19:40] <apachelogger> Mamarok: have fun ... I suppose
[19:40] <ScottK> apachelogger: I've read the ML now.
[19:41]  * apachelogger is on duty tomorrow and the day after tomorrow and probably all the way to saturday
[19:41] <Mamarok> I'll try to, at least it brings some money to the household, we have two very hungry cats here...
[19:41] <apachelogger> so my pateince extens a lot :D
[19:41] <ScottK> I still say there's only one -backports and it's the same as Ubuntu's.
[19:41] <Mamarok> ok, off for tonight
[19:41] <eagles0513875> a|wen: i seem to have another snap shot of the network manager form svn O_o how will i know that i got the one from your ppa
[19:42] <apachelogger> ScottK: read descriptions in Riddell's last mail
[19:42]  * ScottK will (again)
[19:42] <apachelogger> it is meant as a QA level before ubuntu's backports
[19:42] <ScottK> That's as we've done before.
[19:43] <ghostcube> ehlo humans
[19:43] <ScottK> With my backports dude hat on I'd never approve such a complex backport otherwise
[19:43] <ghostcube> :)
[19:43] <apachelogger> ScottK: lol, would you rather have broken backports :P
[19:43] <ScottK> apachelogger: I suspect we are mis-communicating.  Let me go read up.
[19:44] <a|wen> eagles0513875: look at the version numbers and go for the newest ;)
[19:44] <a|wen> eagles0513875: the one i just uploaded is 0.0+svn959985-0ubuntu1~ppa1
[19:45] <apachelogger> ScottK: we upload to ninjas, do initial QA, copy to backports for immediate access at release day, resolve upgrade issues we didn't catch before, then copy to official backports
[19:45] <apachelogger> i.e. what we did for 4.2
[19:46] <ScottK> Except we didn't copy for 4.2, we re-uploaded.
[19:47] <apachelogger> well, yeah, whatever seems better :)
[19:47] <Riddell> I think copying to backports is better
[19:47] <Riddell> backports takes so long to build it's unusable
[19:47] <apachelogger> good point
[19:47] <ghostcube> someone have a minute
[19:48] <apachelogger> nah, gotta look for some cough medicine
[19:48] <ghostcube> -_-
[19:48] <ghostcube> go smoke a blunt
[19:48] <ghostcube> but back to topic
[19:48] <ghostcube> :D
[19:49] <ghostcube> hmm i mentioned yesterday peoples if you install mysqlserver akonadi-server and akonadi-kde wents to apt-get autoremove
[19:49] <ghostcube> this is not wanted or ?
[19:50] <ghostcube> on 9.04
[19:50] <ScottK> Riddell: I can see that in some cases.  Right now we're building right along.
[19:51] <ScottK> Riddell: When we copied 4.1.3 to -proposed there wase some breakaged in LP that caused failure to upload in non-ppa archs.
[19:51] <ScottK> Hopefully that doens't happen any more.
[19:53] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think your point (I think it was you) about more restricted upload rights is good.
[19:55] <Riddell> ghostcube: doesn't happen here, probably asomething got removed which was keeping those packaged installed
[19:59] <|eagles0513875|> hey guys i think i found a nasty bug
[19:59] <|eagles0513875|> i just installed another version of network manager which i got out of the kubuntu experimental ppa and im now without a wireless and wired connection O_o
[19:59] <ghostcube> hmm Riddell i just did an system upgrade and then installed mysql hmm
[19:59] <|eagles0513875|> shouldnt one still be able to have an internet connection with or without a network manager?
[19:59] <apachelogger> not if the implementation is broken
[20:00] <apachelogger> which seems to be the case with what you got from experimental
[20:00] <|eagles0513875|> apachelogger: how can i remedy the situation or is a reinstall required
[20:01] <apachelogger> well
[20:01] <apachelogger> go to packages.ubuntu.com and get the official verson
[20:01]  * ScottK notes he did exactly 100 excess uploads in Jaunty.
[20:01] <apachelogger> or run apt-cache policy $PACKAGE to find out what precise version the official version is and then run apt-get install $PACKAGE=$VERSION
[20:01] <|eagles0513875|> i was going to use the one that a|wen has in his ppa
[20:02] <apachelogger> or you create /etc/apt/preferences containing something like
[20:02] <apachelogger> Package: $PACKAGENAME
[20:02] <apachelogger> Pin: releaes o=Ubuntu
[20:02] <|eagles0513875|> apachelogger: i lost connection after uninstalling so i cant download anything onto machine in question
[20:02] <apachelogger> Pin-Priority=1001
[20:02] <apachelogger> that should force dist-upgrade to downgrade
[20:02] <ScottK> Going back through Gutsy/Hardy/Intrepid I was always #15 on UTU.  I had 100 to many uploads for that this time.
[20:02] <apachelogger> |eagles0513875|: well, use a usb stick :P
[20:03] <apachelogger> get the package form packages.ubuntu.com and voila
[20:03] <|eagles0513875|> O_o lol have to get rid of me bootable usb :(
[20:03] <|eagles0513875|> then again i dont know whats worse having to strip kubuntu and build it back up again
[20:03] <|eagles0513875|> or doing what you suggested
[20:03] <JontheEchidna> We aren't shipping a default konq profile anymore, correct?
[20:03] <a|wen> |eagles0513875|: don't you have a cable to plug in?
[20:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, KDE does, so do we
[20:04] <|eagles0513875|> a|wen: tried that as well
[20:04] <|eagles0513875|> it didnt work
[20:04] <apachelogger> one of the fatal flaws of Konqueror are it's profiles
[20:04] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: ah, I meant that we aren't shipping a custom one
[20:04] <JontheEchidna> we're using the upstream one
[20:04] <|eagles0513875|> apachelogger: i would take konqueror over dolphin any day
[20:04] <JontheEchidna> correct?
[20:04] <a|wen> |eagles0513875|: plug in cable ... "sudo ifup eth0" if that works "sudo dhclient eth0"
[20:04] <|eagles0513875|> to be honest dolphin is too sluggish to use with remote shares
[20:04] <apachelogger> ScottK: where am I this time?
[20:04] <|eagles0513875|> a|wen: will try with my wifi
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> dolphin and konq use the same thing to connect to remote shares
[20:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: no custom ones, no
[20:05] <ScottK> apachelogger: #9, right behind me.
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: ok, thanks. That should fix bug 137091
[20:05] <apachelogger> cool
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> *should mean that bug 137091 is fixed
[20:05] <apachelogger> that is cool as well
[20:06] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yep.  Even with having to vanish for long stretches you were still the #3 non-canonical uploader in the cycle.
[20:06] <|eagles0513875|> a|wen:  i tried first command it says ignoring device. it seems like when i remove the other svn version of network manager it rmoved the device modules in the kernel
[20:07] <|eagles0513875|> it removed the modules from the kernel
[20:07] <a|wen> |eagles0513875|: it's probably because it is not in your interfaces file
[20:07] <apachelogger> ScottK: that is quite lovely actually :)
[20:07] <|eagles0513875|> thing is even on a clean install all i would find is the loopback device a|wen
[20:07] <apachelogger> ubuntu does not create the others due to networkmanager
[20:07] <apachelogger> well... it would in a ubuntu server install
[20:07] <apachelogger> not the desktop ones though
[20:07] <a|wen> |eagles0513875|: i know ;) ... they rely on the network-managers nowadays
[20:08] <|eagles0513875|> would me going in and adding fix the issue
[20:08] <a|wen> |eagles0513875|: add this line to /etc/network/interfaces "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
[20:08] <|eagles0513875|> a|wen: can i use my wifi instead
[20:08] <a|wen> |eagles0513875|: after that try the "sudo ifup eth0"
[20:09] <a|wen> |eagles0513875|: you can try ... if it is unencrypted you should manage with a 4-5 shell-commands to do it
[20:09] <|eagles0513875|> its encrypted
[20:09] <|eagles0513875|> :(
[20:09] <apachelogger> actually you can do via interfaces as well
[20:09] <apachelogger> just read up on the manpage
[20:09] <apachelogger> getting encryption to work properly is a PITA though
[20:10] <a|wen> |eagles0513875|: go with the cable, until you get a network-manager back again
[20:10] <apachelogger> man, kdemm is filled with crappy kmix bugs
[20:10] <|eagles0513875|> ok a|wen
[20:10] <|eagles0513875|> speaking of kmix i have noticed a peculiarity with it
[20:11] <a|wen> |eagles0513875|: add that line to the interfaces file and do a ifup and you should hopefully get network again
[20:12] <|eagles0513875|> i got network
[20:12] <|eagles0513875|> question becomes how do i know im getting the network manager from your ppa a|wen
[20:12] <a|wen> |eagles0513875|: plasma-widget-network-manager version 0.0+svn959985-0ubuntu1~ppa1
[20:13] <|eagles0513875|> cuz there is also another svn version in kubuntu-experimental
[20:13] <|eagles0513875|> it would be nice to have yours in there 2
[20:13] <a|wen> |eagles0513875|: that is old as hell
[20:13] <|eagles0513875|> a|wen: im suprised yours hasnt taken its place
[20:14] <a|wen> |eagles0513875|: well, it could get there ... but right now you are the first one to install it; so you're todays smoke-tester :)
[20:14] <a|wen> |eagles0513875|: i386?
[20:14] <|eagles0513875|> a|wen: you building another one
[20:14] <|eagles0513875|> it looks like its currently building still
[20:14] <apachelogger> clearly neon needs a brother for kubuntu specific nightlies
[20:14] <a|wen> |eagles0513875|: hehe; exactly ;)
[20:15] <|eagles0513875|> a|wen: how much longer cuz i need the cable my desktop
[20:15] <|eagles0513875|> lol
[20:15] <a|wen> |eagles0513875|: which architecture?
[20:16] <|eagles0513875|> im on 64bit jaunty
[20:16] <|eagles0513875|> a|wen: any eta on completion
[20:17]  * a|wen is trying to get launchpad to give him the answer ...  but it is sloooow
[20:18] <|eagles0513875|> im having issues loading your page now
[20:18] <|eagles0513875|> let me get on irc from the laptop in question
[20:18] <|eagles0513875|> get of my old laptop server lol
[20:19] <a|wen> eagles0513875: around an hour ... amd64 has a backlog; it says buildstart in ~43 minutes
[20:19] <eagles0513875> O_O
[20:19] <eagles0513875> would the 386 version work as a temporary solution
[20:20] <a|wen> not on amd64
[20:20] <eagles0513875> i think bug 365632 is in desperate need of a look at. it seems there is a nasty bug on firefox and the nvidia drivers
[20:21] <eagles0513875> had the person downgrade the drivers it seems to be the same issue. funnily enough im on an nvidia chipset and dont experience this issue
[20:23] <ScottK> eagles0513875: Firefox is OT for this channel.
[20:24] <eagles0513875> its linked to bug
[20:25] <ScottK> Yes, but not ours.
[20:25] <eagles0513875> ok
[20:26] <eagles0513875> ScottK: would that need to also be filed at firefox site if they have a bug filing system
[20:26] <ScottK> For firefox sutt #ubuntu-mozillateam is what you want.
[20:26] <ScottK> sutt/stuff
[20:26] <eagles0513875> ok thanks scott
[20:26] <ScottK> Not quite sure how I did that.
[20:29] <eagles0513875> a|wen: ill install whats in current repos then tomorrow ill upgrade to the new 64bit network manager
[20:29]  * eagles0513875 goes back to network-manager rc
[20:30] <a|wen> eagles0513875: okay, was merely a service, as i had done the ppa svn snapshot before, so had everything ready
[20:31] <eagles0513875> a|wen: i really wanna help ya out but i kinda have to help my dad with a problem and hes back in usa and im in central europe and need to get my desktop back online so i can remotly connect to his pc. at least then i can use wifi
[20:32] <a|wen> eagles0513875: no problem :)
[20:32] <eagles0513875> interesting now i cant find the rc of network-manager widget
[20:33] <Riddell> ~twitter update Kubuntu Intro talk in 30 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[20:33] <kubotu> status updated
[20:34] <eagles0513875> Riddell: whats the topic
[20:34] <Riddell> Kubuntu
[20:34] <eagles0513875> is it a close deal
[20:34] <Riddell> and the kick arse community
[20:34] <eagles0513875> cough cough language :p
[20:36] <Riddell> ach you're allowed to say that on children's telly now
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> I don't think that applies that strictly in here, since it's not a user support channel
[20:37] <eagles0513875> im joking
[20:37] <eagles0513875> blah
[20:37] <eagles0513875> darn network-manager causing plasma to sigsev 11
[20:39] <eagles0513875> a|wen: current version in ppa1 of 64bit is borked
[20:40] <a|wen> eagles0513875: it is still building?
[20:41] <eagles0513875> the version 94 something
[20:41] <eagles0513875> 946101 which is in ppa1 of main
[20:42] <eagles0513875> a|wen: did that pull the package you are currently building
[20:43] <a|wen> eagles0513875: it is still not finished building... patience my friend :)
[20:44] <eagles0513875> a|wen: i know im justwondering what i pulled cuz i seem to have a partial install of the plasma widget
[20:44] <a|wen> could be the old version in my ppa
[20:45] <eagles0513875> yours is newer then whats in the ppa1 main
[20:46] <a|wen> eagles0513875: not impossible
[20:46] <a|wen> eagles0513875: is has finished building now ... should be able to find it in ~10 minutes
[20:47] <eagles0513875> ok
[20:52] <eagles0513875> :) i think its up a|wen
[20:52] <a|wen> cool
[20:52] <eagles0513875> this is messed up its still picking up the version i had
[20:52]  * a|wen hates that a hal restart kills all sound :(
[20:53] <eagles0513875> version 946106
[20:53] <eagles0513875> a|wen: try unloading all alsal modules to fix flash that is stuttering
[20:54] <a|wen> well, i have no sound at all in kde ... even the test-button gives an error messagesound
[20:54] <a|wen> eagles0513875: should be 959985
[20:54] <eagles0513875> when i do apt-cache policy its still showing the previous version
[20:54] <eagles0513875> hi Ahadiel
[20:54] <eagles0513875> mt hi android
[20:55] <Riddell> anyone want to forward questions for me?
[20:55] <a|wen> eagles0513875: the PPA's are not instant in that regard ... there is from 5-10 minutes delay after build is finished
[20:55] <eagles0513875> questions for what
[20:55] <Riddell> the talk
[20:56] <eagles0513875> ahhhh ok  well its been about 10 min already a|wen
[20:56] <eagles0513875> if you want i can
[20:56] <a|wen> eagles0513875: complain to the launchpad folks ;P
[20:57] <eagles0513875> a|wen: im not bothered
[20:57] <eagles0513875> but funny thing im trying to download it form the site nothing is listed there 64bit wise
[20:57] <a|wen> eagles0513875: yeah, it takes a little while before it is listed on the site as well
[20:57] <eagles0513875> ahhhh ok
[20:58] <eagles0513875> so it has to replicate itself accross the network
[20:59] <a|wen> eagles0513875: jup ... it seems that everything happen at fixed times every 5/10 minutes; so depending on your luck it takes a short or long time
[20:59] <eagles0513875> bah ok lol
[21:03] <eagles0513875> a|wen: its there lol needed to run sudo apt-get update
[21:06] <a|wen> :)
[21:06] <eagles0513875> removed the experimental repos
[21:07] <a|wen> sounds like a good security measure
[21:07] <eagles0513875> its still not displaying right
[21:08] <eagles0513875> the widget isnt showing up
[21:08] <eagles0513875> its a blank spot on the bar
[21:08] <eagles0513875> and i think if i try to right click on it its gonna crash plasma workspace for me
[21:08] <a|wen> eagles0513875: also after a re-login ... or maybe a remove/re-add og the widget
[21:09] <eagles0513875> i already removed it and am readding it
[21:09] <a|wen> s/og/of/
[21:09] <a|wen> it shows fine here for me
[21:11] <a|wen> and even picks up some wireless AP's in the area
[21:12] <eagles0513875> hummm
[21:17] <eagles0513875> hey a|wen sry for being such an annoyance tonight but is there an init.d script to restart plasma workspace
[21:18] <a|wen> eagles0513875: nope ... you need to kquitapp plasma and then start it again
[21:22] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: https://edge.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+archive/kde-l10n I still need to make the version actually work (currently it is < ubuntu) + the repo will probably change, so just take that as a proof of concept ;-)
[21:22] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: great
[21:22] <mgraesslin> and thanks
[21:22] <eagles0513875> a|wen: i killed with sig 15 and yet it still not showing up right for me
[21:23]  * eagles0513875 slides a gigant mug of kubuntu brew to a|wen for all his patience with me
[21:24] <a|wen> eagles0513875: might be some cache-foo ... or there might be a problem on amd64 only
[21:25] <a|wen> though the cache should have little to say here when thinking twice
[21:26] <eagles0513875> a|wen: ill reboot to see if its the same issue
[21:26] <a|wen> eagles0513875: okay ... i'll cross fingers :)
[21:26] <eagles0513875> thanks i need it
[21:27] <eagles0513875> ill be back
[21:35] <eagles0513875> a|wen: :) party it worked
[21:35] <eagles0513875> a|wen: would it be possible to make it where the user can just restart plasma to have the icon of the widget display without it restarting
[21:37] <a|wen> eagles0513875: well, for me it worked without even restarting plasma ... but some things with plasma is still a bit fragile (at least while we still deal with alpha widgets)
[21:37] <eagles0513875> well for me i had to reboot im wondering if its a 64bit thing
[21:38] <a|wen> good question
[21:39] <a|wen> but at least it looks to work ... i'll just check that the packaging is up-to-date tomorrow, and then put it in kubuntu-experimental
[21:39] <a|wen> eagles0513875: if anything is failing utterly please let me know ... cause then there is no idea in throwing it at -experimental
[21:40] <eagles0513875> ya
[21:40] <eagles0513875> so far the only issue is that first thign i mentioned
[21:42] <a|wen> okay, thx
[21:47] <ScottK> Apparently the issue with notification persistence not being honored got fixed in the last week or so in KDE trunk.  Dunno if we want to fix that for KPackageKit or not at this point, but there may be a patch.
[21:47] <eagles0513875> a|wen: question have you tested static ip's
[21:48] <a|wen> eagles0513875: nope
[21:48] <a|wen> right now the network manager can't recognice my ethernet card at all (never could)
[21:49] <eagles0513875> strange it recognizes mine
[21:50] <a|wen> haven't looked much into ot yet ... my laptop is used as a stationary, so don't relly use it atm
[21:50] <eagles0513875> thing im afraid of putting kubuntu desktop on my old laptop is i am using a static ip for shoutcast on it and that seems to be the only way to get a static ip
[21:51] <ikonia> eagles0513875: just set it in the interfaces file
[21:54] <eagles0513875> ikonia: i know but its not that it bothers me im thinking bout the community as a whole those that like using gui's i know it has been an issue with the previous knetworkmanager
[21:58] <nixternal> thanks Riddell, you totally rocked it!
[21:59] <ikonia> eagles0513875: so why does that stop YOU putting it on your old laptop ?
[21:59] <ikonia> eagles0513875: putting it on YOUR laptop won't effect the community in anyway
[21:59] <ScottK> Riddell: Would you please accept kdebase-workspace for intrepid-backports.  LP U/I is flaky again.
[22:00] <eagles0513875> ikonia: reason being was the issue after rebooting loosing that static ip
[22:00] <eagles0513875> anyway im using ubuntu server with kdebase
[22:04] <Riddell> ScottK: done
[22:04] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.  That was the last of the "must be done in this order" packages.
[22:05] <Riddell> nixternal: awooga!
[22:06] <Riddell> nixternal: and you wouldn't have guessed my laptop died just before the talk started and I did the whole thing on my knees with the server in my back cupboard
[22:06] <nixternal> lol
[22:06] <nixternal> that is dedicated
[22:07]  * claydoh wants a hot tub party and to be beatifull :)
[22:07]  * claydoh will take the hot tub in preference to looking good
[22:08] <nixternal> claydoh: that is why I didn't get in the hot tub, I would have scared people out of the water
[22:08] <nixternal> like NCommander did :p
[22:08] <claydoh> naw, you are better looking than I by far
[22:08] <NCommander> nixternal, I wasn't naked :-P
[22:08] <NCommander> nixternal, or in just swim trunks
[22:09] <nixternal> NCommander: that's even worse! you were fully clothed and still scared them away :D
[22:09] <eagles0513875> lol Riddell a|wen new svn version of network-manager widget is looking promising
[22:09] <NCommander> nixternal, not really, Riddell didn't run.
[22:09] <Riddell> claydoh: you are good looking, all Kubuntu people are good looking!
[22:09] <eagles0513875> im the description of person you mentioned one who wears a bowtie lol
[22:12] <eagles0513875> anyone else on a 64bit system willing to test something for me
[22:14] <nixternal> eagles0513875: what's up?
[22:14] <nixternal> 64bit here
[22:15] <eagles0513875> nixternal: can you help me test out the svn wifi widget in a|wen's ppa
[22:15] <eagles0513875> i need to see if you have the same issue where to get the widget icon to display right i had to reboot my machine
[22:16] <nixternal> I am running the nm plasmoid from trunk already
[22:17] <nixternal> the icon displays fine for me, though it still has the same exact problem I had in 4.2 with it and some wifi spots showing up below the panel
[22:18] <eagles0513875> im running in one that a|wen packaged earlier
[22:18] <eagles0513875> that i noticed as well
[22:21] <ikonia> eagles0513875: yes, but you said that you knew how to fix the static ip so it wasn't a problem
[22:22] <eagles0513875> ikonia: on ubuntu server i did as you said by adding the necessary stuff to the interfaces file
[22:22] <ikonia> eagles0513875: it doesn't matter if it's a server or a desktop
[22:22] <ikonia> eagles0513875: I don't understand why you're running server anyway
[22:23] <sebas> nixternal: that's actually a bug in QGraphicsLayout :/
[22:23] <eagles0513875> ikonia: im hosting a shoutcast server for a friend the only thing i added kde base for was kmyfirewall
[22:23] <sebas> it doesn't always update the size, so the applet's popup doesn't resize
[22:23] <ikonia> eagles0513875: you don't need a server install to host a service
[22:23] <eagles0513875> i know but it gives me practice with command line stuff
[22:24] <ikonia> eagles0513875: you can use the command line on any desktop install, or disable X on any desktop
[22:25] <eagles0513875> ikonia: also when i was setting this up i wanted to test out the server version of jaunty
[22:25] <ikonia> I'm sure
[22:25] <ghostcube> quassel drive me nuts
[22:26] <ghostcube> how to get it play a sound for nick higjlighting
[22:26] <ghostcube> :D
[22:27] <Sput> Settings -> Configure Notifications, ghostcube
[22:28] <ghostcube> hmm yeah but it doesnt play it when i get highlighted
[22:28] <ghostcube> it only popsup notify
[22:43] <Riddell> ~twitter update ooh, STV bought the rights to south park, it's actually quite amusing
[22:43] <kubotu> status updated
[22:45] <eagles0513875> ?
[22:46] <ghostcube> can anyone may test quassel notification and sound on 9.04
[22:47] <neversfelde> ghostcube: highlight me
[22:47] <ghostcube> neversfelde, ping
[22:47] <neversfelde> works :)
[22:47] <ghostcube> hmm ok why not here
[22:47] <ghostcube> oO
[22:49] <ghostcube> neversfelde, what have you set to get a sound on ping
[22:49] <neversfelde> default settings
[22:49] <neversfelde> ghostcube: but this is probably a question for #kubuntu?
[22:50] <ghostcube> yeah
[22:50] <ghostcube> thought it is a bug
[22:50] <ghostcube> i will ask in kubuntu sorry
[23:16] <eagles0513875> can anyone take a look at bug 38538 i think parts of the bug have been fixed and just need to be pushed forward as updates
[23:18] <ScottK> eagles0513875: Not a KDE package, so off topic here.
[23:19] <eagles0513875> ScottK: eenlightenme here. dpkg falls under kde
[23:19] <ScottK> eagles0513875: No, that's part of Ubuntu Foundations used by all Ubuntu types.
[23:19] <ScottK> Here we just do the Kubuntu unique parts.
[23:20] <eagles0513875> so would that be recommended for upstream
[23:21] <ScottK> No, #ubuntu-devel.
[23:25]  * eagles0513875 night room
[23:26] <eagles0513875> well i cant do anythign wiht that bug since im still abnned :( from that channel
[23:26] <ikonia> eagles0513875: yes you can
[23:26] <ikonia> eagles0513875: what do you expect/want to do with that bug ?
[23:26] <ScottK> ikonia: Please take it to PM then since it's OT here.
[23:26] <ikonia> ScottK: no sweat
[23:26] <ikonia> just fed up of hearing being banned as weak excuse
[23:27] <ScottK> Certainly.
[23:31] <bokey> hey ScottK g'day :)
[23:31]  * bokey waves to people
[23:31]  * eagles0513875 wave goodnight to room
[23:32] <Riddell> claydoh: stalker :)
[23:32] <bokey> Riddell: g'day
[23:32] <bokey> ikonia: howdy
[23:32] <bokey> :D
[23:33]  * bokey sips early morn coffee
[23:34]  * eagles0513875 makes bokey fresh pot of java
[23:34] <EagleScreen> can I make a pbuilder chroot for hardy under Debian testing?
[23:35] <bokey> nice thanks eagles0513875!
[23:35] <eagles0513875> night bokey
[23:35] <ScottK> bokey: Hello
[23:35] <bokey> laterz eagles0513875
[23:36] <bokey> have a g'day folks
[23:36] <ScottK> EagleScreen: I'm pretty sure you can.  Look at the version of debchroot in Hardy and the one in Lenny.  If Lenny > Hardy then you can.
[23:36] <ScottK> bokey: They backport is in progress.
[23:37] <bokey> ScottK: yep read the bug report. thanks :)
[23:37] <bokey> wohoo!
[23:37] <bokey> bbl
[23:37] <EagleScreen> watch my error please http://pastebin.com/d55f4c5c1
[23:39] <EagleScreen> what is debchroot? it does not seem a package and it is not a command
[23:41] <EagleScreen> the problem seems to be with the keyring
[23:53] <ScottK> Yes
[23:53] <ScottK> I always remember that package name wrong anyway
[23:55] <ScottK> EagleScreen: http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/ubuntu-keyring
[23:55] <EagleScreen> is it debootstrap?
[23:55] <ScottK> Yes.  Thats the one
[23:55] <EagleScreen> do I need ubuntu version to can build for ubuntu releases?
[23:56] <EagleScreen> can Debian debootstrap recognise Ubuntu releases existence?
[23:56] <ScottK> The Debian one has Ubuntu releases in it.
[23:56] <ScottK> It just won't know about later releases and so that's why the version check I mentioned earlier
[23:59] <EagleScreen> i am currently using Debian Sid version of debootstrap which is 1.0.13 and look this: http://pastebin.com/d55d796a7