[21:04] <hallowname> anyone know if karmic's kubuntu will be starring firefox? or just K apps?
[21:06] <hallowname> i mean the regular cd version. its sorely missed by kubuntu users. great work on jaunty btw. flawless. ;]
[21:23] <AlienX_> is there a good repo of nightly builds for pidgin by chance?
[21:28] <ikonia> AlienX_: no
[21:29] <AlienX_> ikonia: sad. It'd be nice to have gtalk working again in pidgin :-\
[21:31] <mrwes> wow...that didn't take long to make the switch over
[21:41] <wlodi> Hi lads. Do you know if there is a solution for video freezing in jaunty?
[21:43] <ikonia> wlodi: jaunty support is now in #ubuntu
[21:44] <wlodi> ikonia: sorry, whats this channel for?
[21:44] <ikonia> wlodi: /topic will give you a hint ;)
[21:44] <wlodi> ikonia: now its perfectly clear:) thx
[21:45] <ikonia> wlodi: not a problem
[22:01] <ienorand> Is there any way to actually test Karmic atm? Doesn't the lives start to pop up after the 30th?
[22:02] <ikonia> not really
[22:02] <ikonia> empty repos, and a base tool chain from what I've read
[22:03] <ienorand> nice.
[22:05] <ienorand> so I can't easily start broking for a while then... When does the daily's normally start?, is it in confunction with alpha 1 or toolchain upload?
[22:06] <ikonia> be a while yet
[22:08] <calc> ienorand: probably won't be much before alpha 1
[22:09] <kklimonda> first alpha's release is planned for 14th may..
[22:10] <calc> karmic is still frozen at the moment so really not much to test
[22:11] <ienorand> fair enuf, I should maybe stay off the crack a while now when jaunty is running reasonably well, after a niceo trip through alpha...
[22:12] <calc> i'm hoping to get OOo 3.1.0~rc2 uploaded later this week if karmic opens by then
[22:35] <BUGabundo> omg we are back to +1 !
[22:35] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: indeed :)
[22:35] <mefisto__> I want to try pulseaudio and was looking at this page: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PulseAudio but it seems it might be outdated for jaunty. will the info on that page work for jaunty? or is there a jaunty-specific howto anyone knows of?
[22:35]  * BUGabundo sends out kiss and [[]]
[22:36] <BUGabundo> guess I'll need to distupgrade to KK
[22:36] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: i've just restarted xchat and got a nice surprise :)
[22:36] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: sure ;)
[22:36] <BUGabundo> who is using it already?
[22:36] <ikonia> BUGabundo: there is nothing to use
[22:36] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: I've create pbuilder chroot so far ;)
[22:37] <kklimonda> ikonia: there is a new gcc
[22:37] <kklimonda> and binutils! ;)
[22:37] <ikonia> kklimonda: but what do you use it with ?
[22:37] <kklimonda> ikonia: gcc or chroot in general?
[22:38] <mefisto__> oh is this channel now for 9.10? has jaunty been officially released?
[22:38] <kklimonda> mefisto__: ;D
[22:38] <BUGabundo> mefisto__: Yes
[22:39] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: can you check if UM -d will upgrade to it?
[22:40] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: nope
[22:40] <BUGabundo> other wise, I'll have to do what I always tell users not to: sed sources and dist-upgrade
[22:41] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: it is way to early - i don't even upgrade a vm i've prepared just for it ;)
[22:41] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: at this point it will be like running jj with proposed
[22:41] <maxb> karmic hasn't shown up in http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-development, hence update-manager not offering it
[22:41] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: i don't think that they have even updated toolchain completely.
[22:42] <maxb> Just have a look at the karmic-changes ML archives - barely any packages have been uploaded so far
[22:42] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: please, tell me you are doing it in VM ;}
[22:42] <BUGabundo> maxb: I saw a bunch of them on the archive
[22:42] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: do you think I'm that crazy?
[22:42] <BUGabundo> I ran it bare metal!
[22:42] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:43] <kklimonda> ;)
[22:43] <BUGabundo> I've been doing it since 6.10 beta
[22:43] <maxb> Well, define a bunch. a non-trivial number, yes, but nothing other than utter core or toolchain stuff
[22:43] <BUGabundo> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/
[22:45] <maxb> Sources that have been uploaded to karmic so far: base-files binutils cdbs debhelper debootstrap ecj flex gcc-4.3 gcc-4.4 gcc-defaults gcj-4.4 gjdoc java-common lpia-wrapper
[22:46] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: you said few days ago that karmic is switching to swap files. Do you have some links to discussion or something I could check?
[22:46] <BUGabundo> so I won't even notice it eheh
[22:46] <maxb> So, only 14 source packages, and none that are likely to bring significant behaviour changes to the vast majority of people
[22:46] <ikonia> switching to swap files ?
[22:46] <BUGabundo> the prob will be, that ill have to run both pockets
[22:46] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: well - gcc -v returns 4.4 ;)
[22:46] <BUGabundo> and that will eventually cause me trouble
[22:46] <BUGabundo> as usually
[22:46] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: devel-discuss ML I think
[22:47] <BUGabundo> let me get my email archive and tell you the subject and ML
[22:48] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: and does it mean that we could expect hibernation to work without swap partition in karmir or karmic+1? ;)
[22:48] <kklimonda> (not that hibernation works at all with my nvidia but I'm still interested)
[22:48] <BUGabundo> maybe
[22:49] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: works for me
[22:49] <BUGabundo> with closed driver
[22:49] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: last time I've tried it didn't resume from hibernation..
[22:49] <kklimonda> but it was some time ago
[22:49] <BUGabundo> with open driver X fails, know bug, thought fixed
[22:49] <kklimonda> i'll check it right now :)
[22:49] <BUGabundo> with NV it even fails to boot
[22:50] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: sorry, can't file the email
[22:50] <BUGabundo> maybe just ask to cjcolin ?
[22:50] <BUGabundo> I think it was an email from hime
[22:50] <BUGabundo> *him
[22:53]  * kklimonda_ writes memo to himself: "hibernation doesn't work without a swap partition, you idiot. Don't forget that."
[22:53] <kklimonda_> but it still shouldn't lock up my computer..
[22:53] <ienorand> Anyone knows if there are there any plans to update gnumeric in Karmic? looking at lp it seems not to have a lot of activity goin on...
[22:54] <kklimonda> ienorand: what version is in debian unstable?
[22:54] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: aaahaha
[22:54] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: file a bug???
[22:54] <BUGabundo> here $ ubuntu-bug gnome-power-manager
[22:55] <kklimonda> ya, it shouldn't give me an option to hibernate at all
[22:55] <ienorand> kklimonda: Ah, yea, 1.9.6 is in sid... so guessing this will be the one in Karmic?
[22:56] <kklimonda> ienorand: it will have to be upgraded manually as there are some ubuntu-specific changes.
[22:56] <kklimonda> ienorand: you will have to request merge
[22:57] <ienorand> kklimonda: ok, well first I'm going to test it and see if it rides reasonably stable.
[22:57] <kklimonda> ienorand: also you should check what changes were made in ubuntu and if they still apply to newer version.
[22:58] <BUGabundo> ienorand: maybe put it on your PPA to test, and then help with debdiff
[23:00] <ienorand> Heh, I don't even have a ppa yet :) , and I'm not sure how much I'll be able to dig down an mess with things, but I'll see what I can do.
[23:01] <kklimonda> ienorand: you will have to apply changes that were made in ubuntu1 release.
[23:02] <kklimonda> a patch from ubuntu2 should be already in debian package.
[23:02] <BUGabundo> ienorand: I guess you are a great candidate for the next #classroom session then
[23:03] <ienorand> BUGabundo: Looking up the schedule...
[23:06] <ienorand> BUGabundo: Ah, that's a good suggestion, I'll see if I can make that session, 6 in the morning, ah, shouldn't be too bad...
[23:07] <kklimonda> :D
[23:07] <kklimonda> ienorand: 6AM isn't that bad - One session I was really interested in was at 2AM ;)
[23:08] <ienorand> One goog thing about irc, no one sees if you look lie a zombie :D
[23:08] <kklimonda> i was even able to ask few questions.. but the following day was a horror ;)
[23:08] <ienorand> kklimonda: Heh, that's not that late :P
[23:08] <kklimonda> ienorand: sure - it lasted until 3AM
[23:09] <kklimonda> ienorand: and I had to wake up at 7 ;)
[23:09] <ienorand> If you just take a brisk run around  ~4pm you can manage to become completely nocturnal :-|
[23:10] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: 2am is not bad. at weekend s I'm up at that time
[23:10] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: it was a thursday if I remember correctly ;)
[23:10] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:23] <BUGabundo> this went quiet!
[23:25]  * ienorand is messing with debian repos
[23:33] <FFForever> is the repo open?
[23:34] <kklimonda> FFForever: yes - but there are almost no changes so far
[23:34] <FFForever> ahhh
[23:34] <FFForever> anyone know how i can get my internal mic working?
[23:34] <kklimonda> FFForever: only new gcc and binutils was uploaded so far
[23:34] <ikonia> blindly hitting repos, it is a mistake opening this channel
[23:34] <ikonia> FFForever: support is in #ubuntu
[23:34] <BUGabundo> ikonia: hehe
[23:34] <kklimonda> FFForever: it isn't really topic for this channel - support is on #ubuntu
[23:34] <FFForever> ikonia, =( ubuntu is overan but idiots who cant/won't help me =(
[23:35] <FFForever> ive tried 8 times in there 2day...
[23:35] <BUGabundo> FFForever: its usual! :(
[23:35] <kklimonda> FFForever: try ubuntuforums.org
[23:35] <BUGabundo> but still lots of ppl eager to help, there
[23:35] <ikonia> FFForever: no more/less than idiots blindly asking about KK repos
[23:35] <kklimonda> FFForever:  there might be a better chance of someone noticing your question there.
[23:36] <FFForever> kklimonda, true but after no resonances after asking 8 times gets old...
[23:36] <kklimonda> I think that ubottu should get a !repo flag ;)
[23:37] <ikonia> FFForever: I can't see you asking once in the logs in #ubuntu
[23:38] <kklimonda> FFForever: fast answer is that you should check your mixer and set input sources to ``Internal Mic''
[23:39] <kklimonda> FFForever:  but I don't remember if that is enough to fix it.
[23:40] <BUGabundo> FFForever: also try alsamixer and try to mute/unmute the mic
[23:40] <BUGabundo> also what apps are you using to test it?
[23:40] <BUGabundo> and increase BOOST/Gain
[23:41] <FFForever> audacity and sound recorder i am trying
[23:41] <FFForever> and skype...
[23:42] <BUGabundo> forget skype
[23:42] <BUGabundo> known bug, won't work, for most users
[23:43] <FFForever> ahhh but i need it for cs:s lol
[23:43] <FFForever> external mic is said to work but not the internal one
[23:43] <FFForever> the sound dude in here during the alpha said it had to do with the kernel and he would fix it but he never did =\
[23:46] <maxb> 23:33 < FFForever> is the repo open?
[23:46] <maxb> 23:34 < kklimonda> FFForever: yes - but there are almost no changes so far
[23:47] <maxb> It's not really open - 23:33 < FFForever> is the repo open?
[23:47] <maxb> 23:34 < kklimonda> FFForever: yes - but there are almost no changes so far
[23:47] <maxb> oops
[23:47] <maxb> It's not really open - it's still frozen
[23:47] <BUGabundo> maxb: bad boy
[23:47] <maxb> Second time I was *trying* to paste: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[23:47] <FFForever> maxb, ahh so when does it thaw-out?
[23:47] <BUGabundo> FFForever: you mean dtchen? he is not even here! guess still stuck on #ubuntu until he re-login
[23:48] <FFForever> yeah dtchen :D
[23:48] <BUGabundo> FFForever: and NO, he did not yet SRU his fixeds
[23:48] <FFForever> SRU?
[23:48] <maxb> I assume it gets thawed when the core-devs working on the toolchain uploads say its ready
[23:49] <FFForever> ahhh
[23:55] <ienorand> FFForever: Does switching analog/digital inputs (deep down in the misty alsa mountatin...) give you anything?
[23:57] <BUGabundo>  !sru | FFForever
[23:57] <BUGabundo> is the bot still on holiday?