[00:01] <EagleScreen> karlic version is 1.0.12
[00:01] <EagleScreen> *karmic
[00:03] <ScottK> If you're using the sid version, hardy should be no problem at all.
[00:03] <ScottK> I think 1.0.13 knows about karmic even
[00:09] <EagleScreen> so I am obteining this problem http://pastebin.com/d55d796a7
[00:12] <EagleScreen> UBUNTU_MIRROR="fr.archive.ubuntu.com"             is it right?
[00:13] <ScottK> EagleScreen: You probably would get better help on this sort of thing in #ubuntu-motu
[00:14] <EagleScreen> thanks
[00:49] <ScottK> KDE 4.2.2 all uploaded to intrepid-backports, now it's just waiting for the build.
[01:10] <quassel208> where does kubuntu install icons to ?
[01:16] <JontheEchidna> /usr/share/icons
[01:24] <claydoh> Riddell: was that a ping :)
[01:26] <quassel208> jontheechida why dont my kde icons that i updated with svn, dont show up in my taskbar
[01:27] <ScottK> vorian: Are you planning on coordinating 4.2.3?
[01:37] <JontheEchidna> I could coordinate if vorian wants a break, if someone would provide a batcave
[01:37] <JontheEchidna> oh wait, I'll be gone over the weekend
[01:37] <JontheEchidna> nevermind then
[01:38] <lex79> JontheEchidna: when 4.2.3?
[01:38] <JontheEchidna> It'll be tagged in two days
[01:38] <ScottK> Yep.
[01:38] <JontheEchidna> meaning we'll probably start working on it in three days
[01:38] <lex79> \o/
[01:39] <ScottK> Got 4.2.2 done into intrepid-backports just in time.
[01:39] <ScottK> Riddell: We really ought to bake a plan for 4.2.3 here pretty quick.
[01:41] <ScottK> Next week I'm working 2000 - 0600 UTC in a facility with no internet access and will be stuck with hotel wifi.  I don't think I'm they right person.
[01:41] <lex79> JontheEchidna: I have become kubuntu member before starting to work?
[01:42] <JontheEchidna> I don't think that you have to be one, no.
[01:45] <ScottK> seele: Nice discussion on amarok usability
[01:46] <ScottK> Dear Launchpad: Please peddle faster.
[01:48] <seele> ScottK: thanks, i hope they find it useful
[01:49] <ScottK> seele: You're welcome.  Thanks to the action on my Quassel notification it only took one click to get here to reply ....
[01:49] <ScottK> Speaking of usablility ...
[01:52] <seele> lol
[02:27] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks again for Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph (and a written procedure on how to keep it up to date).  As always it made getting the KDE builds in the right order a lot easier.
[02:50] <ScottK> ryanakca: I'm just finishing up with adding KDE 4.2.2 to intrepid-backports.  Once it's done on i386/lpia/amd64 I'm going to remove it from the kubuntu-experimental PPA.  It does occur to me that the upgrade instructions in kubuntu.org may need updating ...
[02:54] <lex79> Kubuntu-dev keep up-to-date kde packages with kubuntu-dev-tools? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment
[04:18] <vorian> :o
[04:18] <vorian> the batcave
[05:46] <shtylman> something needs to be done about the not connected ethernet "plug" on the network widget
[05:47] <shtylman> it doesn't look like anything network related...had several users give that feedback
[05:47] <shtylman> and these are people that have been using linux for quite a while :)
[05:48] <ScottK> sebas was here earlier and agreed the icons need work.
[05:49] <shtylman> indeed
[05:49] <shtylman> and the wifi icon works poorly on lighter backgrounds...
[05:52] <shtylman> oh and ScottK you might be interested...I couldn't get too much info before my friend just formatted, but he tried the update app from intrepid to Jaunty and it didn't work.
[05:52] <shtylman> said it never really got past the first step
[05:52] <shtylman> this was over wireless though, but still...kinda an unpleasant experience if someone was just trying it and did'nt know better
[05:53] <shtylman> I think part of the problem is the sheer number of packages to update
[05:53] <ScottK> I upgraded my laptop over wireless and it was no problem.
[05:53] <shtylman> ScottK: oh...I am sure it works...just sharing alternate stories and such
[05:53] <ScottK> Sure.
[05:54] <shtylman> I think part of the problem was that it failed once and had to be killed manually cause it was just hanging
[05:54] <shtylman> that I am sure had some very bad side effects
[06:19] <ScottK-laptop> ScottK: Ping
[07:33] <eagles0513875> morning
[09:39] <Riddell> that'll be Karmic open
[09:40] <Tm_T> Riddell: hooray (:
[09:40] <Tm_T> Riddell: would it be 4.3 series straight away?
[09:41] <Riddell> I'd rather merge then go to 4.3 when the beta is out, too much possibility for error doing two two at once
[09:41] <Tm_T> Riddell: ah, yes, from beta and forward I meant
[09:42] <Tm_T> I'm still trying to get funding so I could get more involved on KDE and its working in Ubuntu (edu)
[10:01] <Riddell> Tm_T: going for that finnish summer of code  again?
[10:02] <Tm_T> Riddell: nope, too old, I got some "expert/advocate" gigs for summer but that's not enough
[10:02] <Tm_T> glad I got my health getting better still
[10:20] <a|wen> any preferences for where to upload a new shapshot on the network manager widget? kubuntu-experimental is fine?
[10:25] <Mamarok> Morning all
[10:26] <Mamarok> we have problems with the backtraces from Jaunty: the amarok-dbg package is useless:
[10:26] <Mamarok> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/368470
[10:27] <a|wen> Mamarok: is the amarok-dbgsym package any better? (might be a chance that, that one works instead)
[10:29] <Mamarok> I can't test, I have Amarok-SVN here only, will ask some folks over at #amarok
[10:30] <Mamarok> a|wen: and that package would be in the repos?
[10:31] <a|wen> Mamarok: they have their own repository; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[10:31] <Mamarok> thanks, will have a look
[10:33] <Riddell> a|wen: -experimental is fine yes
[10:34]  * a|wen starts uploading
[10:56] <eagles0513875> morning guys
[11:06] <a|wen> morning eagles0513875
[11:07] <a|wen> ScottK: regarding the kdelibs 4.2.2 backport ... it might be worth adding kubuntu_69_do_not_show_plasma_popups_over_screensaver.diff to it; that was one of the very big annoyances with 4.2.2
[11:08] <ScottK> a|wen: Yes.  I agree.  Give me a package and I'll upload it.
[11:08]  * Riddell uploads his first package to karmic
[11:09] <eagles0513875> a|wen:  :) morning
[11:09]  * eagles0513875 cheers at Riddell
[11:10] <eagles0513875> amarok 2.1 is looking rather promising as well :) i have it currently installed no issues here
[11:11] <eagles0513875> any bugs for upstream that anyone has come across this am
[11:14] <ghostcube> hi :)
[11:15] <eagles0513875> morning :)
[11:21] <a|wen> ScottK: i have set it to testbuild while i'm out for a few hours ... you'll get a debdiff when i'm back
[11:22]  * a|wen adds two merges to his to-do list for tonight as well
[11:23] <ScottK> Thanks.
[11:23] <eagles0513875> can i ask a slightly offtopic question about a channel
[11:24] <Nightrose> a|wen: nice sig ;-)
[11:25] <Riddell> I noticed that too
[11:25] <eagles0513875> is there a translations channel
[11:25] <dpm> eagles0513875: #ubuntu-translators on this same server
[11:26] <eagles0513875> thanks dpm
[11:26] <dpm> np
[11:26] <Riddell> dpm: you have hilights working I take it :)
[11:26] <dpm> Riddell: I'm just super quick ;)
[11:26] <dpm> haha
[11:27] <eagles0513875> dpm: does taht channel also go for kubuntu translations as well
[11:28] <dpm> eagles0513875: yes, of course!
[11:28] <eagles0513875> ok dpm just checking
[11:28] <eagles0513875> seems dead in there though :(
[11:29] <dpm> eagles0513875: you mean dead in the sense that it only took two minutes for your question to be answered ;)
[11:29] <eagles0513875> lol dpm didnt notice you were in there
[11:30] <dpm> eagles0513875: np :)
[11:51] <eagles0513875> anyone got any thing that needs testing
[12:00] <Riddell> eagles0513875: bug 368497  (not sure if it's in the archive yet)
[12:01] <eagles0513875> Riddell: that means apt-cache search or apt-cache policy it and see what repo its in
[12:02] <Riddell> yes, it'll be in jaunty-proposed if it's available
[12:02] <tsimpson> what do we do about bugs in the kde3 remix?
[12:02] <tsimpson> specifically bug #368331
[12:08] <eagles0513875> Riddell: i have subscribed to that bug and will get to testing in a few hours time
[12:12] <eagles0513875> Riddell: question re the bug you gave me whats in the repos is 1.0.6-9ubuntu4 im guessing ubuntu 5 is still in the pipline is that my correct understanding
[12:13] <Riddell> tsimpson: close them, we don't support it
[12:13] <tsimpson> ok, just wanted confirmation
[12:13] <Riddell> tsimpson: maybe he'll want to make a product in launchpad for it if he wants bugs but he hasn't yet
[12:13] <tsimpson> yeah, I looked for one but could not find it
[12:17]  * eagles0513875 waits to test the new acpid package that Riddell pointed the bug to
[12:20] <eagles0513875> oouch
[12:38] <sebas> Riddell: in case Jorge has re-sent the invitation already ... I didn't receive it
[12:40] <eagles0513875> would anyone like me to package a newer version of kvirc 4.0 which is still in svn
[12:41] <Riddell> sebas: re-poked him
[12:42] <eagles0513875> Riddell: you think i should package a newer version of kvirc 4.0 which is still in svn
[12:43] <Riddell> eagles0513875: can do if there's new stuff we would want and it's a good time to package (no notable bugs)
[12:43] <Riddell> there's plenty merges to be done if you're in a packaging mood
[12:44] <eagles0513875> well currently kvirc in jaunty repos seems to be 4.0 which is still in th ekvirc testing trunk
[12:44] <eagles0513875> !packaging
[12:45] <eagles0513875> Riddell: must commend you on your work for kde. alot of the bugs i see are with gnome
[12:49] <eagles0513875> Riddell: can i ask you another question re kubuntu and clustering. would we want more packages for clustering or clustering isnt a big thing for ubuntu
[12:54] <sebas> Riddell: thx
[12:55] <Riddell> eagles0513875: that's something the server team will care about
[12:56] <eagles0513875> Riddell: just wondering since im gonna be packaging i would also package cluster related stuff if there is any new things that are not in repos
[12:56] <eagles0513875> Riddell: is there a server devel channel
[12:57] <Riddell> I expect so
[12:58] <eagles0513875> Riddell: just want an opinion how would you feel about merging apt-get and apt-build
[13:06] <ghostcube> merging what ?
[13:10] <ScottK> eagles0513875: You really need to stay on topic.
[13:26]  * eagles0513875 bbl guys
[13:27] <Mamarok> ghostcube: beware with that fjallagyldir chap, he is a Gentoo user and has been trolling around this morning...
[13:36] <Sput> always them gentoo users!
[13:41] <ghostcube> Mamarok: oh
[13:41] <ghostcube> Mamarok: thx i havent known this
[13:48] <Mamarok> Sput: exactly
[14:02] <eagles0513875> !packaging
[14:29] <eagles0513875> Riddell: are you around bro i have a question regarding the acpid bug you want me to test from earlier
[14:32] <Riddell> eagles0513875: mm?
[14:33] <eagles0513875> Riddell: i did an apt-cache policy after adding the proposed repo and the current version that is out. is the 64bit version still being built of ubuntu5 version that is going into karmic
[14:34] <Riddell> you want 1.0.6-9ubuntu4.9.04.3 from jaunty-proposed
[14:34] <eagles0513875> ok just checking
[14:34] <eagles0513875> and adding that repo all of a sudden makes kpackagekit not let me open my source list
[14:35] <Riddell> software-properties-kde doesn't start?
[14:36] <eagles0513875> Riddell: it doesnt open teh sources.lst from package manager
[14:37] <eagles0513875> the button goes grey like its opening something then nothing comes up
[14:37] <Riddell> what happens when you start software-properties-kde manually?
[14:38] <eagles0513875> Riddell: it works that way but not through kpackagekit
[14:38] <eagles0513875> its strange how that repo breaks software-properties-kde from loading through kpackagekit
[14:41] <eagles0513875> brb gonna test acpid
[14:46] <eagles0513875> Riddell: that acpid fix has worked :)
[14:47] <Riddell> groovy
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> Yay, karmic's open
[14:48] <eagles0513875> afternoon JontheEchidna
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> morning here :)
[14:49] <eagles0513875> Riddell: should i mention that on the bug report. also thing is i tested this on a 64bit system not sure if the same outcome will occur on 32bit
[14:49] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: automoc can definitely be synced, the delta is just debian/changelog and the maintainer field
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I think cmake can be synced to. The delta is your quickie cmake-gui packaging, debian now has a more permanent solution
[14:51] <Riddell> eagles0513875: yes mention it on the bug report please.  it's the same code, just shell scripting so same on all platforms
[14:52] <eagles0513875> Riddell: ok will do.
[14:52] <eagles0513875> Riddell: is there a way if we have konqueror as default webbrowser when clicking on links it opens up a new tab instead of a new window
[14:53] <Riddell> yes, is user question, tickbox somewhere in config options
[14:55] <eagles0513875> Riddell: got it :)
[14:57] <eagles0513875> Riddell: if there is anything else that needs testing let me know
[15:05] <Riddell> agateau: are you guys registering specs for UDS?
[15:06] <agateau> Riddell: not that I am aware
[15:06]  * eagles0513875 is ready to kill kpackagekit
[15:06] <agateau> Riddell: better ask on #ayatana
[15:22] <Riddell> I sorted https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicSpecs into some categories for specs
[15:22] <eagles0513875> nice
[15:23] <Riddell> sebas: I'm told to tell you to book travel toot sweet
[15:23] <eagles0513875> Riddell: if i take on some issues with kpackagekit would you be willing to mentor me as how to fix them or are you busy
[15:23] <Nightrose> Riddell: amarok 2.1 beta 1 packages for jaunty are in the experimental ppa right?
[15:24] <eagles0513875> Nightrose: ya the are
[15:24] <Riddell> eagles0513875: can you code?  kpacakgekit is fairly complex, I don't know much about how its internals work
[15:24] <eagles0513875> Nightrose: have it on here already and that is something to consider for karmic as well
[15:24] <Nightrose> Riddell: we get a lot of negative feedback since the jaunty release with 2.0.2 and I am trying to write a carefully worded article so at least some of them know where to get a newer improved version
[15:24] <Riddell> Nightrose: dunno let me look
[15:24] <eagles0513875> Riddell: i would love to learn
[15:25] <neversfelde> reminds me of that amarok ipod stuff :/
[15:25] <Nightrose> neversfelde: ?
[15:25] <Riddell> Nightrose: amarok - 2:2.0.90mysql5.1.30-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1
[15:25] <Riddell> is in there
[15:25] <Nightrose> excellent
[15:25] <Nightrose> thanks
[15:25] <neversfelde> Nightrose: I wnated to have a look at 2.1 beta to make it work with ipods
[15:26] <Nightrose> neversfelde: go go go! :D
[15:26] <neversfelde> :)
[15:26] <eagles0513875> i have 2.1 on here as we speak no issues so far knock on wood
[15:27] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: cor, what's that?
[15:27] <neversfelde> Nightrose: I kow amarok devs will never tell when a release is planned, but that would be to much work, if beta2 is release tomorrow?
[15:27] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: it shows the rdepends of kubuntu-dekstop and their versions in $DEV VERSION and sid
[15:28] <JontheEchidna> it's quite nifty
[15:28] <Nightrose> neversfelde: we announce tagging on our packagers list
[15:28] <eagles0513875> neversfelde: they mentioed for 2.1 in about a month or so
[15:28] <Nightrose> neversfelde: and beta 2/final is at least two weeks away still i'd say
[15:28] <neversfelde> Nightrose: k, than I will try it
[15:28] <Nightrose> thanks :)
[15:29] <neversfelde> after I have fixed my girlfriends vista laptop :(
[15:33]  * JontheEchidna steps out for a bit
[15:47] <Nightrose> Riddell: JontheEchidna: ScottK: http://pastebin.com/d16ee771f <- comments on getting that to planet kde and ubuntu? any additions?
[15:48] <eagles0513875> Nightrose: Jon has stepped out
[15:48] <eagles0513875> Riddell: do you want me to give you the link for the acpid bug i tested
[15:48] <Nightrose> we are honestly a little suprised by the amount of negative feedback since the jaunty release - we hoped we had finished with that :(
[15:49] <eagles0513875> negative feed back of amarok or the release as a whole
[15:49] <Nightrose> amarok 2.0.2
[15:49] <Nightrose> which is kinda understandable - after all we got it back then as well
[15:49] <Riddell> Nightrose: "consider downloading packages from the website and installing them with dpkg."  I'd say  "deactivate the repository after you have installed amarok"
[15:49] <Nightrose> ok
[15:50] <eagles0513875> Nightrose: what kinda negativity are we talking about though cuz in all honesty i havent had any issues with 2.0.2
[15:50] <Riddell> Nightrose: good otherwise
[15:50] <Nightrose> otoh it shows that kubuntu is quite sucessful and probably the most widely used distro among our users ;-)
[15:50] <Nightrose> Riddell: thanks :)
[15:50] <eagles0513875> :)
[15:50] <Nightrose> eagles0513875: people missing features mostly
[15:50] <Nightrose> not liking the look
[15:50] <Nightrose> the usual stuff
[15:51] <eagles0513875> Nightrose: i cant go back to version 1
[15:52] <Riddell> rgreening, shtylman: I e-mailed you, gmail sometimes thinks I'm spam so let me know if it gets through
[15:52] <eagles0513875> a|wen: ping
[15:56] <eagles0513875> Riddell: i think we should really push a|wen's plasma network manager widget forward as an update. i have someone complaining bout entering the password twice. once for the wallet then 2nd password to connect to the wifi after opening the wallet which has the stored password
[15:57] <Riddell> yes, but it goes against the normal SRU procedure (tagetted minimal patches only) so it would  need lots of testing to even be considered
[15:58] <ghostcube> anyone owning an ipod and running amarok 2.0.9 from ppa jaunty
[15:58] <ghostcube> and likes to test something
[15:58] <ghostcube> :D
[15:58] <eagles0513875> ghostcube: i think neversfelde might have one he was in here talking bout it earlier
[15:58] <eagles0513875> i have a zune but that is no help
[15:59] <ghostcube> hmm, ok thx will ask him
[15:59] <ghostcube> neversfelde: ping
[15:59] <eagles0513875> ghostcube: i think hes off fixing his gf's vista laptop :(
[16:00] <ghostcube> uff
[16:00] <ghostcube> :D
[16:00] <eagles0513875> patience young grasshopper lol
[16:00] <ghostcube> virus inside switch to anything else
[16:00] <ghostcube> oO
[16:00] <a|wen> Nightrose: thx ... you need a good sig :) ... i even use it when replying to ubuntu-lists ;)
[16:00] <eagles0513875> Riddell: testing like what static ips etc
[16:01] <Nightrose> a|wen: ;-) i like my sig!
[16:01] <eagles0513875> a|wen: can i give your ppa so someone else can download the plasma widget you repackaged last ngiht
[16:02] <a|wen> eagles0513875: a new version was uploaded (or actually 99,9% the same as the one you have) was uploaded to kubuntu-experimental
[16:02] <eagles0513875> oh really
[16:02]  * eagles0513875 goes looking for the memo
[16:02] <a|wen> eagles0513875: so just have them test that one
[16:02] <eagles0513875> whats the .1 percent that is different
[16:02] <a|wen> a changelog entry
[16:03] <eagles0513875> meh
[16:03] <eagles0513875> a|wen: ill test static ip when i get home see if there are any issues with that
[16:04] <a|wen> eagles0513875: okay; cool
[16:05] <eagles0513875> a|wen: dunno why i have a hunch that is still a problem with the new network management system
[16:06] <a|wen> a hunch?
[16:06] <a|wen> ScottK: http://awen.dk/packages/kde4libs_4.2.2-0ubuntu1~intrepid2.debdiff
[16:06] <eagles0513875> a|wen: the old network manager for some reason they couldnt fix the static ip issue with the gui. im hoping that isnt the same thing this time around
[16:07]  * a|wen will try an intrepid 4.1.4 to 4.2.2 upgrade on his netbook later tonight :)
[16:07] <eagles0513875> good luck a|wen
[16:07] <ghostcube> hmm 4.1.4 to 4.2 worked fine
[16:07] <ghostcube> as i did it last time
[16:07] <a|wen> eagles0513875: well i have no idea what has been fixed or not in the svn snapshot
[16:08]  * eagles0513875 needs to figure out how to package an updated svn version of kvirc 4 since its still in testing
[16:08] <a|wen> ghostcube: i'm pretty sure it is going amazingly smooth :) ... and if not, then i'll just need to fix the packages
[16:09] <eagles0513875> a|wen: will you be willing to mentor me in packaging something
[16:11] <a|wen> eagles0513875: i can try; but in any case, the collaborative knowledge in this channel when just asking around is pretty amazing :) ... it's hopefully kde related ;P
[16:12] <a|wen> i'm back in a bit ... need to get my sound working again (every time an update includes a hal restart my sound dies!)
[16:12] <eagles0513875> well the current kvirc 4.0 is still in beta
[16:12] <eagles0513875> im suprised it made it to jaunty
[16:19] <eagles0513875> wb a|wen
[16:19] <a|wen> ahh, much better
[16:20] <eagles0513875> have no idea how but my default audio device always dies on me and i end up use the pulseaudio driver
[16:23] <eagles0513875> be back on from home
[16:51] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: top quality merging there
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: thanks :)
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> So I heard about an archive reorganization for karmic
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> in regards to main/universe
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> got any info on that?
[16:52] <Riddell> I don't really, I expect we'll hear more at UDS
[16:52] <Riddell> but hopefully we'll be able to open up Kubuntu uploads to people easier
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> nice, sponsorship is getting old fast
[16:53] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: maybe time you went for core-dev then :)
[16:53] <jpds> JontheEchidna: Last I was told (last Thursday) - it's not going to happen any time soon.
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> ok, so then going for core-dev would make sense
[16:54] <JontheEchidna> Speaking of sponsorship... could someone take a look at bug 368657 please?
[16:56] <JontheEchidna> eek, akonadi got rejected
[16:59] <Riddell> oh I got the tar from debian, bad idea
[16:59] <Riddell> is there no bug for the kpackagekit "failed to fork" issue?
[17:00] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: there is, just a second
[17:00] <JontheEchidna> bug 272410
[17:01] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: anything for upstream
[17:02] <JontheEchidna> eagles0513875: you might find this useful: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+upstreamreport
[17:02] <JontheEchidna> the column at the very end shows a list of bugs that need forwarding
[17:02] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: quickaccess uploaded
[17:02] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[17:03] <shtylman> Riddell: got it... (and yea...for some reason it was in spam)
[17:05] <eagles0513875> !packaging
[17:05] <Riddell> shtylman: fooey, guess gmail still doesn't like my server
[17:05] <eagles0513875> a|wen: going to test out the widget with a static ip
[17:06] <JontheEchidna> oh, cool. kdetoys is in universe so that means I could upload the merge myself...
[17:06] <JontheEchidna> but probably best to wait until after 4.2.3
[17:06] <a|wen> Nightrose: so where was the sig you was so proud of :)
[17:08] <Nightrose> a|wen: heh nothing special - just saying "Lydia Pintscher - amarok community manager" andlinking to my claimid profile and amarok, kde and kubuntu ;-)
[17:09] <eagles0513875> a|wen: this looks promising
[17:09] <claydoh> Riddell: so am I the stalker or are you :)
[17:10] <eagles0513875> a|wen: its ignoring the static ip all together
[17:10]  * a|wen thinks it sounds like Nightrose has a lot of hats
[17:10] <a|wen> eagles0513875: so nothing new i guess?
[17:10] <eagles0513875> nope
[17:11] <eagles0513875> also a|wen it seems to revert the subnet mask to 0 instead of what i put in
[17:11] <eagles0513875> and it ignores the static ip all together
[17:12] <a|wen> well at least it recognices that you have a network card
[17:12] <Nightrose> a|wen: heh maaaaaaaaaybe
[17:12] <a|wen> :)
[17:13] <eagles0513875> a|wen: if it wasnt for the awesome kubuntu team adding the patches for my wifi  card to the kernel i would be swearing to patch the kernel
[17:13]  * eagles0513875 gets to filing bugs upstream
[17:13] <eagles0513875> :)
[17:14]  * a|wen better secretly send the credit on to the kernel team ,)
[17:15] <Nightrose> http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2009/04/28/amarok-2-in-kubuntu-jaunty/ <- can someone answer that comment?
[17:16] <shtylman> Riddell: I think it doesn't much like the fact that from is different from the actual sender :/
[17:17] <eagles0513875> a|wen: my other laptop had a bcm4311 card this laptop has rev2 which uses same fwcutter
[17:19] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: sry to interrupt you but that link you gave me the last column do those bugs all have to go upstream
[17:19] <JontheEchidna> the last column is a list of bugs that should go upstream, yes
[17:20] <eagles0513875> ok just making sure cuz i see some bugs triaged and wishlists just making sure
[17:21]  * eagles0513875 runs to stationer
[17:21] <shtylman> Riddell: should any installer topics go on that page (of ideas)?
[17:23] <nixternal> jeesh, I am disappointed with you all...nobody has been poking KDE/Kubuntu questions at Mark during OpenWeek yet :p
[17:24] <Riddell> shtylman: yes
[17:26] <Riddell> Nightrose: no idea, maybe he could do pinning, but really easiest just to install then deactive
[17:26] <Nightrose> Riddell: thought so
[17:26] <Nightrose> thx
[17:32] <a|wen> Nightrose: it is not really possible that way; apt-preferences will always stick with the lowest pinning it seems ... but I've added a slight alternative
[17:33] <Nightrose> a|wen: thanks :)
[17:33]  * Riddell bops Nightrose 
[17:33] <Riddell> oh wait, wrong bop!
[17:33]  * Riddell bops nixternal 
[17:33] <Nightrose> *lol*
[17:34] <a|wen> Nightrose: no problem ... I started learning quite a bit of apt-preferences after loosing my kubuntu installation ~20-30% to debian unstable
[17:36] <Nightrose> heh
[17:37] <Riddell> freeflyi1g: are you coming to UDS?
[17:38] <nixternal> what is wrong with asking the QA question..the first question was done in fun...if there is no sense of humor damnit, then I don't know....the 2nd Q was serious, as the Ubuntu QA side is doing amazing work
[17:38] <nixternal> tired of people boohooing today....
[17:42]  * Riddell hugs nixternal 
[17:42] <nixternal> silly screen-profiles
[17:43] <nixternal> I always fat finger some key combo that just messes it all up...I can't reproduce it because I don't know what combo I hit :)
[17:44] <a|wen> yay, Amarok news on the local open source planet again ... new fancy stuff for amarok 2.2
[17:45] <Nightrose> heh
[17:45] <Nightrose> by nikolaj?
[17:45] <Nightrose> nixternal: same here - and I don't have fat fingers :(
[17:45] <nixternal> oh I do
[17:45] <Nightrose> ;-)
[17:46] <a|wen> Nightrose: exactly ;)
[17:48]  * JontheEchidna testbuilds kdesvn 1.3.0
[17:49] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: akonadi failed to build on amd64?
[17:49] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: all archs it seems
[17:49] <JontheEchidna> failed to link mysqld to akonadi-mysqld
[17:50] <JontheEchidna> investigating
[17:50] <Riddell> thanks
[17:50] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: do you merge with debian?
[17:50] <JontheEchidna> a|wen: yeah
[17:51] <JontheEchidna> oh, I probably should have asked if you were doing so first... hope I'm not duplicating effort/stepping on your toes
[17:52] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: never made it further than my todo-list ... so i'll just cross it out :)
[17:52] <JontheEchidna> :)
[17:52] <eagles0513875> im back
[17:56] <nixternal> sabdfl: I appologize if I upset or made you sad with my Kubuntu question...it was done in good spirit and to be fun, not be an ass
[17:57] <seele> ?
[17:58] <nixternal> I was having fun during his Q&A and he got sad, and then the world fell apart with people messaging like I just broke their little glass house
[17:58]  * seele rolls her eyes
[17:58] <txwikinger_work> nixternal: ROFL
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> ugh, I don't understand this akonadi build failure
[18:03] <rickspencer3> nixternal: I think there's a good chance that sabdfl can take it :)
[18:07] <lkraider> hello, I'm trying to modify a kubuntu live-cd, and want to setup some programs to autostart when kde loads
[18:08] <lkraider> I tried adding some scripts on .kde/autostart but they don't start when the kde session loads
[18:08] <lkraider> (it's kde 3.5.10)
[18:09] <Riddell> .desktop files in /usr/share/autostart/ should work
[18:09] <lkraider> so .sh scripts don't work?
[18:13] <lkraider> just tried a .desktop file and it works, yey :)
[18:13] <lkraider> tried a bash script and it didn't
[18:13] <lkraider> thanks :)
[18:14] <nixternal> lkraider: the bash script is executable right? I have plenty of bash scripts in .kde/autostart that work fine
[18:14] <lkraider> they work on an installed system, but I couldn't make it work on a remastered live cd
[18:14] <nixternal> ahh
[18:30] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: got a problem. I can't testbuild the fix without a pbuilder, and debootstrap doesnt' know about karmic
[18:31] <JontheEchidna> maybe if I change debian/changelog to jaunty temporarily....
[18:33] <freeflyi1g> Riddell: yes
[18:41] <eagles0513875> do we have an upstream contact for xorg-server
[18:44]  * eagles0513875 getting upset with phonon crashing constantly
[18:45] <nixternal> anyone else have problems installing from the iso's provided by bittorrent?
[18:45] <nixternal> every single one of them has yet to work for me..the Kubuntu one gets the furthest though before it tanks
[18:48] <Mamarok> nixternal: the amd64 worked like a charm here
[18:49] <eagles0513875> a|wen: pping
[18:49] <a|wen> eagles0513875: pong
[18:50] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: dist-upgrade a jaunty chroot until debootstrap with karmic arrives
[18:50] <eagles0513875> a|wen: had someone install the new widget from ppa seems like that first issue i had last night is only unique to 64bit linux
[18:51] <a|wen> eagles0513875: okay ... strange; well i have heard of it before, so not a new thing
[18:51] <eagles0513875> ok a|wen just thought i would let you know
[18:51] <a|wen> eagles0513875: jup, thx
[18:52] <eagles0513875> wait a|wen take that back seems like person is on a 64bit laptop as well and it didnt happen to him
[18:52] <eagles0513875> im not sure it could be that i have a rather customized kubuntu
[18:52] <nixternal> Mamarok: hrmm, that is the one I am using...I get the Red Screen Of Death for "Select and install software"
[18:53] <a|wen> eagles0513875: okay ... not impossible; it's hard to know what it is really
[18:53] <eagles0513875> the static ip issue is something that goes way back to knetwork manager if there is anything i can do to help you wiht that let me know
[18:53] <Mamarok> nixternal: actually, didn't use the torrent, but downloaded it from the Swiss server
[18:54] <nixternal> ya, I am downloading from a server now
[18:54] <nixternal> hey Riddell, have you checked out the Network Manager from Pardus? It looks really good
[18:57] <a|wen> eagles0513875: it has been there for a long time ... does it work for the nm-applet or whatever the ubuntu one is called?
[18:57] <eagles0513875> the widget that is in the ppa
[18:59] <eagles0513875> where upstream does thsi bug need to be reported https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/33106
[19:00] <a|wen> eagles0513875: that one looks like a very old one ... sure that it is still relevant?
[19:01] <eagles0513875> a|wen:  if you look near bottom it reoccured in 8.10
[19:04] <a|wen> eagles0513875: okay ... well; lower-level stuff, we're not really experts in that here
[19:04] <eagles0513875> a|wen: jon gave me that to report upstream so he didnt really specify what to focus on
[19:04] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: may i pm ya
[19:04] <a|wen> ok
[19:05] <JontheEchidna> eagles0513875: just focus on the kde stuff
[19:06] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: doesnt look like much on there kde wise
[19:06] <eagles0513875> found something
[19:06] <JontheEchidna> there's kdebase
[19:06] <JontheEchidna> kdebase-workspace
[19:06] <JontheEchidna> kdepim
[19:06] <eagles0513875> kde4libs
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> ...
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> the akonadi failure was due to a missing comma
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> ~order brain
[19:20]  * kubotu shouts: OMG!!!!! RED ALERT! We lost a brain. Get me a medic, NOW!
[19:20]  * eagles0513875 yells nooooo JontheEchidna
[19:20]  * eagles0513875 transplants my brain into hisbody
[19:26]  * a|wen starts merging kile with debian
[19:27] <JontheEchidna> oh
[19:27] <JontheEchidna> kdesvn uploaded if anyone was interested
[19:27] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: cool
[19:27]  * JontheEchidna does a final testbuild of fixed akonadi
[19:27] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: question regarding kdesvn does it follow compilation procedures of the kde techbase
[19:27] <JontheEchidna> dunno
[19:28] <nixternal> seele: excellent review of amarok...funny thing, everything you brought up in it, I have experienced, and from time-to-tie still experience
[19:29] <a|wen> damn, things are going slow from here
[19:29] <a|wen> ~order internet
[19:29]  * kubotu slides internet down the bar to a|wen
[19:29] <eagles0513875> ~order kubuntu
[19:29]  * kubotu tells eagles0513875 to better use http://shipit.kubuntu.org
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> rofl
[19:30] <eagles0513875> a|wen:  you aint the only one with a slow net 10mbps cable and yet slow as hell due to bandwithcaps
[19:30] <eagles0513875> that and bandwith throtelling from 7am to 11pm
[19:31] <a|wen> eagles0513875: mine has roughtly been equal to 56 kbit/s modem most of tonight
[19:31]  * nixternal pets his 18MB down 6MB up, non-throttling internet
[19:33] <a|wen> yay! karmic chroot, eta. 20 minutes
[19:34]  * JontheEchidna merges kwin-style-dekorator
[19:36] <vorian> dekorator!
[19:37]  * a|wen notes it should be spelled "dekoratør" :P
[19:38] <eagles0513875> a|wen:  you  busy building stuff
[19:39] <a|wen> rather multitasking ... reading mail, in a meeting and merging stuff
[19:39] <eagles0513875> lol
[19:39] <eagles0513875> multitasking as well here
[19:39] <eagles0513875> probably more then you are a|wen
[19:41] <seele> nixternal: yeah, that seems to be the feeling i'm getting from a lot of people
[19:42] <seele> nixternal: so far the devs have been receptive, so hopefully some good will come from it
[19:43] <nixternal> oh rock on
[19:43] <eagles0513875> im digging 2.1
[19:43] <seele> they also have a project in the season of usability, so maybe one of the students will continue working on the playlist, or run another study
[19:43] <nixternal> ya, I miss the KDE 3 version to be honest with this latest one, but I have to admit, once they iron it out, I don't think there will be a player any better or even close to be as good
[19:45] <eagles0513875> anyone have any idea how kvirc 4.0 which is still beta how it made it into jaunty
[19:46] <nixternal> eagles0513875: I would suggest you search lp, as I am sure someone filed a packaging report for it
[19:47] <eagles0513875> strange cuz there are features in the version in jaunty that are not working such as themes. im gonna be working on packaging a more uptodate svn package of it
[19:47]  * JontheEchidna facepalms
[19:47] <JontheEchidna> the debian packaging for dekorator has direct modifications to the source :/
[19:48] <JontheEchidna> ...and a .svn directory
[19:52]  * eagles0513875 face palms :( amarok stopped playing this stream for me
[19:52]  * eagles0513875 takes that back there we go :)
[19:57] <JontheEchidna> oh, wait. The direct changes were in our package
[19:59] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/160156/
[20:10]  * JontheEchidna uploads dekorator and grabs kdiff3
[20:10]  * eagles0513875 cheers at JontheEchidna and myself
[20:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: pong
[20:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: https://edge.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+archive/kde-l10n
[20:12] <apachelogger> should we move that to some other location? ... I would go for kubuntu-ppa, but since that is not existing yet
[20:13]  * a|wen is klimbing with the koala "pbuilder-aw karmic kile_2.1.0~svn958896-0ubuntu1.dsc" there we go :)
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> just wondering, what's the difference from the l10n packages in the archive?
[20:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the ones in the archive don't have .mo as they were stripped
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> oh, right
[20:13] <apachelogger> so those pacakges provide the most original l10n experience
[20:13] <apachelogger> so I hope at least :D
[20:14] <apachelogger> woohoo, now systemsetings is speaking german all over the place
[20:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: so, should we use some other ppa?
[20:14] <JontheEchidna> prolly
[20:14]  * apachelogger just needs to change the dput config
[20:15] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: thanks for packaging amarok 2.1 btw for the ppa :)
[20:20] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: can you have a look at the last comment at http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2009/04/28/amarok-2-in-kubuntu-jaunty/ please?
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[20:21] <ghostcube> is 2.1 2.09 ppa
[20:21] <ghostcube> heh seems to have a ipod bug
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> bug 368470
[20:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: so, what ppa to use?
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> uuuh
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> I suppose we can always copy them over to the kubuntu-ppa once we create it, so kubuntu-members-kde4?
[20:23]  * apachelogger thinks one should be able to copy a whole ppa :D
[20:24] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: "amarok-dbgsym 2:2.0.2mysql5.1.30-0ubuntu3 [79,7MB]" ... i suppose that one works instead?
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> that one would work
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> doesn't help for the ppa packages though
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> ugh, why would the dbg packages be empty?
[20:25] <a|wen> true
[20:25] <apachelogger> build with DH_VERBOSE=1
[20:25] <apachelogger> probably will tell you why
[20:25]  * JontheEchidna really, really hopes we can drop the whole mysql shit from the amarok packaging in karmic
[20:26] <apachelogger> a|wen: what do you think?
[20:26] <apachelogger> kde-l10n ppa in kubuntu-memers-kde4?
[20:27] <a|wen> apachelogger: i vote for everything that provides better translations
[20:27] <apachelogger> good thing I am not admin there  :S
[20:27] <apachelogger> ah screw it
[20:27] <apachelogger> someone promote https://edge.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+archive/kde-l10n
[20:27] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: ^ now superseds stock jaunty packages
[20:28] <apachelogger> once we have a more suited ppa, drop me a mail so I can reupload to that instead
[20:28]  * mgraesslin has to test :-)
[20:28] <apachelogger> but until then ... I am $sick, so I should be in $bed
[20:29] <a|wen> apachelogger: i think Riddell was going to make the new setup very shortly
[20:29] <ghostcube> schweinegrippe  Oo
[20:29] <apachelogger> ghostcube: as a matter of fact one of my co-workers actually was to mexico recently
[20:30] <ghostcube> heh good viruuses cant use dsl
[20:30] <ghostcube> heh
[20:30] <ghostcube> but go to doctor#
[20:30] <ghostcube> this isnt funny
[20:31] <apachelogger> I was, nothing to worry about for now
[20:35] <eagles0513875> hey apachelogger im trying to link the upstream bug report to bug 269428 but its not letting me for some reason
[20:42]  * eagles0513875 knocked 2 bugs of that list
[21:32] <a|wen> eh, the doc-dir is still /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML right?
[21:36] <JontheEchidna> yep
[21:37] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: :) thanks for that link that will keep me busy for a while almost got all the knetwork bugs reported upstream
[21:38] <a|wen> shouldn't we change that in our version of /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/makefiles/1/variables.mk then?
[21:39]  * a|wen guesses that would break syncs :/
[21:40] <eagles0513875> dont mean to interrupt i got an email back on 2 of the bugs i just reported upstream can i forward the emails to someone to possibly  confirm the issue as fixed and on the other file a possible wish list as i am not understanding what the other bug is
[21:41] <JontheEchidna> a|wen: then we'd have to patch all of our kde3 apps to use kde4, which would be somewhat wrong
[21:42] <JontheEchidna> (otherwise khelpcenter wouldn't pick up their help pages)
[21:42] <JontheEchidna> the better approach would be to lobby to get the change in debian
[21:42] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: the long-term solution is to lobby then ... but does khelpcenter pick-up things in the kde4 dir?
[21:43] <JontheEchidna> nope, we changed all of our kde4 apps to use kde/
[21:43] <JontheEchidna> and patched khelpcenter to look in kde
[21:44] <a|wen> okay; so everything that uses pkg-kde-tools will not work currently with khelpcenter
[21:44] <JontheEchidna> wha?
[21:45] <JontheEchidna> it should all work
[21:45] <a|wen> well, /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/makefiles/1/variables.mk says to place the docs in kde4
[21:46] <a|wen> -DHTML_INSTALL_DIR=/usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML
[21:46] <JontheEchidna> then every KDE app should ftbfs
[21:47] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: do we build against pkg-kde-tools at all?
[21:47] <JontheEchidna> oh
[21:47] <JontheEchidna> we don't use that .mk file
[21:47] <JontheEchidna> that's what it is :)
[21:48] <JontheEchidna> we use kde4.mk
[21:48]  * a|wen increases the diff and decreases the size of debian/rules again
[21:49] <eagles0513875> can i forward some responses to 2 of the bugs i posted upstream
[21:49] <eagles0513875> since i dont know how to respond
[21:50] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: can i forward them to ya
[21:50] <JontheEchidna> sure
[21:51] <eagles0513875> bug 144756 the upstream respons needs an answer
[21:51] <eagles0513875> as well as bug 269428 the upstream response needs answering if this bug has already been solved or not
[21:52] <eagles0513875> if you dont mind JontheEchidna
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> huh, for some reason bugs.kde.org isn't working for me
[21:53] <eagles0513875> O_O
[21:53] <eagles0513875> you broke something lol
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> well, you could see if its still a problem I suppose
[21:54] <eagles0513875> how so
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> by testing?
[21:55] <eagles0513875> ok
[21:56]  * JontheEchidna goes to eat
[21:56] <eagles0513875> ill test that out in the morning late here
[22:04] <neversfelde> ghostcube: what should I test?
[22:04] <ghostcube>  if ipod is usable in amarok 2.0.9 if you have one
[22:06] <neversfelde> ghostcube: nope, it is not usable atm
[22:07] <ghostcube> thx
[22:07] <neversfelde> ghostcube: it is a known issue
[22:07] <ghostcube> yep i told to some in amarok
[22:07] <ghostcube> need fix
[22:08] <neversfelde> yes :)
[22:18]  * a|wen is looking for someone who is 64-bit capable
[22:18] <a|wen> plasma-widget-network-manager in kubuntu-experimental; is https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2009-April/002810.html reproducable on 64-bit?
[22:22] <a|wen> eagles0513875: for you, when you have the time ^^
[22:23] <eagles0513875> a|wen: on the to do list for tomorrow
[22:24] <a|wen> ok
[22:26] <eagles0513875> a|wen:  i havent had that happen to me to be honest
[22:26] <eagles0513875> i have removed like the widget of vp and what not no crashes
[22:27] <a|wen> eagles0513875: okay, hmm
[22:40]  * eagles0513875 cheers got all the network bugs upstream :)
[22:42] <eagles0513875> night a|wen :) got all the knetwork bugs for upstream done :)
[22:44] <a|wen> nn eagles0513875
[22:44]  * a|wen is out as well
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> So, debian's kdewebdev is kde4
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> should we follow?
[23:30] <seele> $2m a year on kubuntu and kde, huh?
[23:31] <lex79> JontheEchidna: standards version for karmic is 3.8.1 ?
[23:32] <JontheEchidna> lex79: yeah, if it's not it will be once the proper package is synced/merged
[23:33] <JontheEchidna> a good policy is to always stay with what debian has
[23:33] <lex79> JontheEchidna: ok, but if the packege is not in debian?
[23:33] <JontheEchidna> use the latest
[23:33] <lex79> Can i bump standards-version?
[23:33] <JontheEchidna> in non-debian packages, yes
[23:34] <lex79> yes, ok thanks
[23:34] <JontheEchidna> oh, and I see now that it is 3.8.1 since devscripts got uploaded this morning
[23:35] <lex79> good
[23:37] <lex79> uhm kdelibs5-dev not yet in karmic
[23:37] <lex79> pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: kdelibs5-dev (>= 4:4.4.2) but it is not installable
[23:38] <JontheEchidna> not necessarily, it just says its uninstallable
[23:42] <lex79> JontheEchidna: this means that I can't build a package with pbuilder but I can attach debdiff in LP ? :P
[23:42] <JontheEchidna> sure
[23:42] <lex79> very good :)
[23:43] <JontheEchidna> I'll see if I can testbuild it
[23:43] <JontheEchidna> this early on karmic is still similar enough to jaunty that it shouldn't make too much of a difference what it is testbuilt on
[23:44] <lex79> so I can testbuild it with pbuilder-jaunty?
[23:45] <lex79> before attach in LP
[23:45] <JontheEchidna> probably, though once pbuilder-karmic starts to work you really should use it
[23:45] <lex79> ok
[23:46] <JontheEchidna> and if it fails now in pbuilder it'll probably fail in the archive, so uploading before it is fixed would be a bad idea
[23:46] <JontheEchidna> but maybe we can see what the problem is if you post the debdiff
[23:47] <lex79> JontheEchidna: good lesson, thanks :)
[23:47] <JontheEchidna> actually, I take that back. you really should be testing on karmic
[23:48] <JontheEchidna> if it fails in karmic but not in jaunty it probably means that the archive has changed enough that you need to test in jaunty
[23:48] <JontheEchidna> but post the debdiff and I'll see if I can find the problem :)
[23:53] <lex79> uhm it fails because I'm stupid :) kdelibs5-dev (>= 4:4.4.2)
[23:53] <lex79> 4.4.2 ?
[23:53] <lex79> LoL
[23:55] <JontheEchidna> lol