[02:26] <wgrant> Have I missed the downtime announcement?
[02:27] <spm> err what?
[02:27] <wgrant> There's meant to be a Launchpad release some time tomorrow.
[02:28] <wgrant> But we haven't been told when.
[02:28] <wgrant> AFAICS
[02:28] <spm> oh. that'll be our thursday morning. so ~ 44 hours awayish.
[02:28] <wgrant> Ah.
[02:28] <wgrant> It would be nice if the announcement went out more than a day in advance.
[02:29] <wgrant> So we can plan rollouts that generally involve Launchpad-hosted branches.
[02:30] <spm> nah. more than 15 seconds notice is over-planned. living on the bleeding edge is good for your blood pressure!
[02:31] <spm> ... says he who has been known to schedule outages 2 months in advance... ;-)
[02:32] <spm> seriously tho. I haven't heard it's off, so assume it's still on. no idea (yet) how last weeks fun may/not impact.
[02:32] <wgrant> I suppose I need to complain to mrevell.
[02:33] <spm> ask nicely might work better :-)
[02:34] <wgrant> Probably.
[02:34] <mwhudson> this rollout should be almost downtime free aiui
[02:34] <mwhudson> (but launchpad will be read-only for a while)
[02:34] <mwhudson> of course this means a new procedure etc, so things could potentially fall down in flames :)
[02:35] <wgrant> I saw that read-only-launchpad was landed this cycle, but thought that would only affect the rollout after.
[02:35] <mwhudson> ah, maybe
[02:37] <wgrant> But having it read-only is also not entirely good in case last-minute fixes are needed. So more notice would still be good.
[02:37] <mwhudson> yes
[02:37] <mwhudson> not disputing that
[05:25] <ScottK> Is the publisher crashing?  I see some builds sitting accepted for over an hour.  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-runtime/4:4.2.2-0ubuntu1~intrepid1/+build/961586 is an example.
[06:13] <ScottK> Nevermind.  Seems find now.
[06:55] <gspr> Is the PPA size estimate still off?
[06:55] <gspr> my PPA (https://launchpad.net/~gspreemann/+archive/ppa) is estimated at 935 MB, but it doesn't seem right at all
[06:56] <spm> gspr: is showing 560Mb for me. you may have hit a mid update or something?
[06:57] <wgrant> It was bigger this morning.
[06:57] <wgrant> The files probably hadn't been removed yet.
[06:57] <gspr> ah, thank you guys
[06:57] <gspr> I just hadn't refreshed it from last night :)
[06:57] <spm> one way to solve the discussion - time to drag du out. brb.
[06:58] <gspr> 560 makes a lot more sense :)
[06:58] <wgrant> gspr: Packages aren't actually removed from the archive disk for around a day after you delete them.
[06:58] <spm> gspr: yup. 564 on disk according to du. you're in the clear.
[06:58] <wgrant> They are removed from the indices, but not the disk, within 20 minutes.
[07:00] <gspr> yeah, I was just a bit confused yesterday, because the size estimate seemed to be way off. Then I deleted some stuff I didn't need anymore, and only after I did that did I realize that maybe that stuff could actually account for the huge size ;)
[07:00] <gspr> thanks again
[07:03] <spm> gspr: be aware that you can request more space if you really need it. just ask in a question via the Questions/Answers part of launchpad.
[07:06] <gspr> spm: Yeah, I know. I just thought I would make sure I wasn't keeping crap around before asking
[07:07] <spm> gspr: now THAT's the attitude we like to see! :-D
[07:08] <gspr> I gotta run... If you have anything to do with the PPAs, spm, I'd like to thank you for a great service. The PPA system is brilliant :)
[07:09] <spm> gspr: thanks, I'll pass that on to the developers!
[09:57] <rowinggolfer> morning folks.
[09:57] <rowinggolfer> I have a couple of newbie questions again.
[09:57] <rowinggolfer> my project is http://launchpad.net/openmolar
[09:58] <rowinggolfer> and last night, I successfully built my first deb!
[09:58] <rowinggolfer> however, I am a crap coder, and I keep breaking the app.
[09:59] <rowinggolfer> so I have 2 questions.
[09:59] <rowinggolfer> 1. how to make a dev branch?
[09:59] <rowinggolfer> 2. how to use my ppa to automate the deb builds.
[09:59]  * rowinggolfer needs a mentor
[10:03] <noodles775> Hi rowinggolfer :), congrats on creating your first deb!
[10:03] <noodles775> I'm sure I'm a crap dentist too, so good thing I'm not working on your teeth ;)
[10:04] <noodles775> Have you read the help instructions for PPAs yet?
[10:06] <noodles775> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA
[10:11] <rowinggolfer> noodles I have, but am a little confused.
[10:12] <rowinggolfer> the PPA would be _my_ PPA, ? linked to my profile?
[10:12] <rowinggolfer> so independent of the project??
[10:13] <noodles775> rowinggolfer: that's correct. But you can also create a team for your development work, and then use the team's PPA.
[10:14] <rowinggolfer> a one man team?
[10:14] <noodles775> rowinggolfer: yeah, it's not worth it unless you later get some other people helping... for now I'd just use your own PPA.
[10:14] <rowinggolfer> ok.
[10:15] <rowinggolfer> looking at the link you kindly provide, I seem to have ticked most of the boxes
[10:15] <noodles775> Great work!
[10:16] <rowinggolfer> well the howtos are well written
[10:16] <rowinggolfer> but I am often a little nervous making the final steps
[10:16] <noodles775> rowinggolfer: yeah, mrevell is pretty good with words ;)
[10:18] <mrevell> Oh thanks -- if there's anything that needs changing in the guides then make sure to let me know or just file a bug against LP :)
[10:19] <rowinggolfer> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rowinggolfer/openmolar/trunk/files/head%3A/dist/
[10:19] <rowinggolfer> mrevell: their is one typo is the python packaging page.
[10:19] <rowinggolfer> I will report that
[10:19] <rowinggolfer> ok...so I have a deb within that link....
[10:20] <rowinggolfer> (which works.. but the program id useless without a suitable database)
[10:20] <rowinggolfer> so that's what needs to go into my ppa?
[11:29] <noodles> rowinggolfer: sorry, I lost my connection earlier, I had replied to your question, but it didn't get through:
 rowinggolfer: yes, the deb source package is what you'll upload to your ppa, and the binary packages will be built from that.
 rowinggolfer: but it's independent of your code... you upload it from your local machine (using dput - see Uploading section on the above help link)
 (I could be wrong, but normally you wouldn't commit your deb source package as part of your source tree)
[11:30]  * noodles has been limited to web app development, and hasn't done much packaging.
[11:31] <wgrant> mrevell: Can we please have more notice for future downtime?
[11:32] <mrevell> Hi there wgrant -- do you have a recent down-time in mind?
[11:32] <wgrant> mrevell: The one in a day or two.
[11:33] <mrevell> wgrant: Aha, well there'll be virtually no down-time for this next roll-out :)
[11:33] <wgrant> mrevell: Will it be read-only, or just really short?
[11:34] <mrevell> wgrant: This will be the first roll-out for read-only. Hence I'm sending an email today detailing what's going to happen and how it'll be different.
[11:34] <mrevell> wgrant: So, it's a limited service
[11:34] <mrevell> but still available to get data out
[11:34] <mrevell> and use the OpenID to get into other services
[11:34] <mrevell> such as the Ubuntu wiki
[11:34] <rowinggolfer> noodles - thanks.
[11:35] <mrevell> wgrant: I could send the notification on the Friday before the roll-out, though, as we still need to let people to know about read-only.
[11:35] <wgrant> mrevell: I'm aware of the functionality and reasoning for the read-onlyness. But more than a couple of days of notice would be good, given that you probably know weeks before.
[11:35] <wgrant> And some of us need to plan rollouts of our own, and it's not good to have LP down around that time.
[11:37] <mrevell> wgrant: fair point. The full calendar, as we have it,  is here -- https://dev.launchpad.net/Releases/2009Calendar
[11:38] <mrevell> hey wgrant, what's your t-shirt size?
[11:39] <wgrant> mrevell: From the UDS ones, L seems to have been best.
[11:39] <mrevell> wgrant: message me your postal address and I'll get a Launchpad shirt in the mail for you.
[11:39] <mrevell> wgrant: that's assuming you want one, heh
[11:40] <wgrant> mrevell: Knowing the date helps, but sometimes LP will be down for several times longer than usual, or at a different time. You would hopefully know that more than two days before, except in exceptional circumstances.
[11:40] <wgrant> mrevell: Thanks!
[11:40] <mrevell> wgrant: Length of down-time isn't something we generally know until quite close to the date, hence one of the reasons for leaving the mail till later on.
[11:41] <wgrant> mrevell: Hrm, OK...
[11:46] <lifeless> mrevell: two mails perhaps :P
[11:47] <mrevell> lifeless: Heh, it's an option but I bet most recipients would prefer not to have two emails :) I'll make it clearer in the next email that the release calendar is public and available for everyone.
[12:00] <t0mppa> hello, can anyone help me with importing an openpgp key to my launchpad account or did I stumble to the wrong place?
[12:02] <rowinggolfer> hey t0mppa
[12:03] <rowinggolfer> have you read https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ImportingYourPGPKey
[12:03] <rowinggolfer> an excellent how to I followed last week
[12:03] <rowinggolfer> if I can do it... anyone can!
[12:08] <t0mppa> ah now I see it, was trying to use the uid instead of pub to send it and it refused to send
[12:10] <t0mppa> that settled it, thanks!
[12:11] <t0mppa> the import page was just talking about key-id and that was a bit confusing
[12:11] <rowinggolfer> t0mppa: direct your comments at mrevell-lunch - don't let him enjoy his free time ;)
[12:13] <t0mppa> i'm not that evil, problem was more of silly me not finding the help page really :)
[14:56] <eagles0513875> is launchpad on the fritz today on the sluggish side
[19:56] <MagicFab> weird in this bug, upstream status appears as "UPSTREAM CLOSED" and in LP is shows as "FIX RELEASED":
[19:56] <MagicFab> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virt-manager/+bug/220825
[21:06] <dgt84> Hey, I'm trying to push a release on launchpad for my project but I'm not sure I understand how this is done... anybody around that could help?
[21:08] <beuno> dtchen, sure
[21:08] <beuno> you want to upload a tarball?
[21:08] <beuno> or a branch?
[21:15] <beuno> dgt84,
[21:15] <beuno> sorry
[21:15] <beuno> misspinged
[21:15] <beuno> ^
[21:16] <dgt84> beuno, I have a branch in bzr that I tagged and created a tarball of. I'd like to upload the tarball if possible but I can't figure out where that can be done. I created a new series called 'stable' but there is nothing on the page about releases.
[21:19] <beuno> dgt84, right, it's a bug in the UI that's being fixed
[21:20] <dgt84> beuno, so what can I do to make a release?
[21:21] <dgt84> beuno, seems I can do it on edge.launchpad.net, will try that
[21:23] <beuno> you need to create a milestone
[21:23] <beuno> and then you can create a release off of it
[21:23] <beuno> dgt84, create a milestone off the new series
[21:23] <beuno> and then a release off of that milestone
[21:23] <dgt84> beuno, k
[21:25] <dgt84> beuno, that all seems to work now, thakns a lot for you help!
[21:25] <beuno> dgt84, you're welcome
[21:25] <beuno> and sorry about the pain
[21:25] <beuno> we're making it awesome
[21:25] <beuno> just had to break things a bit  :)
[21:25] <dgt84> beuno, no worries, I'm pretty new to Launchpad but very impressed so far.
[22:38] <geser> cprov: shouldn't the source packages copied from jaunty to karmic which FTBFS get a new build attempt in karmic?