=== jcastro changed the topic of #ubuntu-classroom to: Welcome to Open Week || Session: 2300 UTC: Ubuntu Community Learning Project || https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek || All questions to #ubuntu-classroom-chat [00:02] sorry everyone, I'm an idiot [00:02] ok cprofitt, take it away! [00:02] alright... lets begin... [00:02] Welcome everyone. I am Charles Profitt and the current lead of the Ubuntu Forums Beginners Team Education Focus Group. I am here today to shed some light on a new project just in the seedling phase. [00:02] the LP page is at - https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-learning [00:03] We would like to eventually build a site comparable to - http://tinyurl.com/dm6y8p - with people being able to come to the site for free 'courses' that help them learn how to use Ubuntu and the applications that come with Ubuntu. That teach them how to contribute to the community - wiki, doc team, translations, etc. That help them become developers that contribute to Ubuntu. To do this we will work with existing material as well as c [00:03] reate new material. brainbench.com also has some examples of what I am talking about. [00:03] I would like to take some time to explain what we are going to do to 'augment' the existing material. [00:03] Moodle allows for courses to be built that have 'activities' including: quizzes, lessons, glossaries, surveys and other components that make it more similar to what you would have in an on-line course. [00:04] Moodle is considered a Learning Management System [00:04] and the team evaluated several options before choosing Moodle [00:04] If you would like to learn more about Moodle you can go to their site - http://moodle.org/ [00:05] For an anology - existing material is like the text book. Moodle adds exercises that ask people to put the knowledge gained from the material in to practice. It also adds the ability for people to self-evaluate. Unlike school there are no grades planned. It also allows an 'instructor' to decide which material should be covered first through last; to make sure the student builds on material piece by piece. [00:05] * cprofitt smiles [00:05] The plan is to provide self-paced courses that allow users to go through the material themselves and to provide instructor lead courses that will have scheduled meeting times (using #ubuntu-classroom) and an instructor that will host question and answer time. [00:07] There is a great deal of very valuable content that is 'out there' in the form of wiki how-tos, forum guides, help articles, etc... [00:07] and this project aims to make use of those in 'building' a course. [00:08] the team includes pleia2 from the classroom project [00:08] * pleia2 waves [00:08] and we have also spoken to Canonical and gotten approval to use learn.ubuntu.com as the site URL [00:08] yay [00:09] bodhi_zazen, will be hosting a server that the URL will be pointed at [00:09] From our conversations with Billy Cina and dinda the sabdfl is aware of and excited about the project. [00:10] pwnguin> QUESTION: will this be self-hosted, or be using the moodlerooms service? [00:10] this will be hosted by bodhi_zazen who has purchased the server with his own funds [00:11] txwikinger, we are looking for people who want to contribute... we have not determined the process for that yet [00:11] We still have to work through licensing discussions though we are in the realm of CC - its just a matter of which one [00:11] setting up server now :) [00:12] There are two sets of goals [00:12] 1) Build a community based learning platform / set of courseware that will allow organizations to move forward with adoption Uubntu [00:13] 2) Assist individual motivate users to become contributors to the community [00:13] zhurai> QUESTION: for: " that will have scheduled meeting times (using #ubuntu-classroom) ", would those be logged too (just as this OpenWeek's #ubuntu-classroom logs are put into those pages)? [00:13] Yes, the instructor lead courses that use #ubuntu-classroom would be logged [00:13] and the logs added to the course record [00:14] QUESTION: have you had any success in working with the doc team? they are looking at ways to improve new member training/mentoring. [00:14] from my understanding dinda we have... though I am not 100% on the level of involvement currently [00:14] the Doc team will be an integral part of the project... of that much I am sure [00:14] greg-g> cprofitt_monitor: if you have any questions regarding CC licensing, I can answer them for you. I currently work for CC. [00:14] I see DougieRichardson is on your membership list - that is a good start [00:15] * cprofitt writes down his greg-g's name [00:15] :) [00:15] The issue with CC greg-g is we are unsure of what level of restriction we want... [00:16] Do we want to limit a training center from charging for an on-site course using our material or not? [00:16] Can a school district or company use the training material internally... [00:17] all valid questions, and I can relate experiences from others who have done similar things. [00:17] cprofitt: Have you heard about the Mozilla Education (http://education.mozilla.org) or Teaching Open Source (http://teachingopensource.com/) projects? Although they're more focused on "Open Source as curriculum" I think that there is some overlap in the projects. [00:17] I had not heard of those... so I will take a hard long look at them [00:17] * cprofitt thanks for those resources [00:18] st33med> QUESTION: Wouldn't it be better for the instructors to choose the licensing? [00:18] I do not think so. I do not want there to be confusion over what courseware is offered through the project [00:18] Probably GNU compliant? [00:19] I would think that having a sep. CC license for each course would cause confusion... [00:19] while that may make some contributors shy away, I would hope not. [00:20] one license (sp) for everything less confusion i beleive [00:21] QUESTION: where are the next meetings listed? is there a wiki page for the group? [00:21] The wiki page will be created over the next few days... [00:21] there is a beginning on the page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning [00:22] on the topic of the doc team Vantrax just told me the following [00:22] Vantrax> ive been speaking with dougie, most of the doc team isnt interested, but enough are to make it work [00:22] the next meeting is scheduled for May 2nd (this weekend) [00:22] at 21:00 UTC I believe [00:22] Hi all, sorry I havent been around to give more info [00:24] cprofitt, yep [00:26] Yes, SCROM and LAMS are the two formats that Moodle uses other than Moodle itself. [00:26] We are currently only looking at SCORM to my knowledge [00:27] SCORM is the standard being pushed by the US government as a standard but no decisions have been made at that level yet. Any informed opinions would be welcome. [00:27] Any other questions? [00:28] buenas [00:30] pwnguin> QUESTION: how do you get a reasonable cohort on a self-paced course? [00:30] cohort... is not a word I am familiar with in this context... I only know Roman legion cohorts... [00:30] could you expand on that term? [00:30] i think it means the student body [00:30] ie your peers [00:30] ok... [00:30] its more a university term [00:31] people you can bounce ideas off of [00:31] with a self-paced you would not really have a concurrent group of students... you may or may not... [00:31] the instructor lead courses would have a defined start and end time for the course [00:32] dinda> QUESTION: can you post the link to the Forums Beginners Team? [00:32] At this stage the plan is to have IRC time available either scheduled or as required depending on numbers for the self paced courses, basically as a Q&A time [00:32] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam [00:32] pwnguin> QUESTION: do i need to be active in the forums to participate? [00:33] No, there is no need to be active on the forums... [00:33] we may use material from some of the how-to guides posted there, but you will not need to be active [00:33] unless an instructor wants to use the forums as an activity [00:34] any material used from how-to guides will be used only with the original author's permission [00:36] pwnguin> question: will the service be able to host videos? [00:37] I believe it can... [00:37] Moodle can also host flash animations... [00:37] though I would like to find a FOSS alternative to flash [00:37] QUESTIONS: what about screencasts? are you working with that team too? [00:38] I am not aware of us doing that yet, but we certainly would want too. [00:40] pwnguin> question: would a refresher course on new features every release be a reasonable project? [00:40] I think we would focus on LTS courses... [00:41] doing courses every 6 months would be difficult [00:41] we would try to keep courses up-to-date if possible [00:41] pwnguin> QUESTION: if you offer courseware via Creative Commons, aren't you basically required to disclose test and quiz answers to anyone who asks for them ahead of time? [00:41] Sure... [00:41] just like any workbook you buy the answers are in that section... [00:42] but if a person wants to get value out of it.. they likely will try to do the work [00:42] since there are no grades I am not sure why anyone would want to 'abuse' having the answers [00:43] imagine a community college course borrowing the courseware [00:43] for an intro to UNIX course or some such [00:43] also there is no certification, that is canonicals baby [00:43] pwnguin, that would be a good thing, long as its attributed [00:45] Now... [00:45] I am currently recruiting EDU curriculum writers to assist us with writing the first course... [00:45] and the first course will be a course on - How to Build A Moodle Course - [00:46] that will help other contributors build solid courses [00:46] if you know of an educator who has Moodle (or other LMS experience) we are interested in talking to them [00:50] Thank you for attending everyone... [00:50] have a good evening === pleia2 changed the topic of #ubuntu-classroom to: Welcome to Open Week || Next session starts @ 15:00 UTC || https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek || All questions to #ubuntu-classroom-chat [00:53] * ausimage remarks all logs for today are up !!! 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[14:46] 1 hour, 15 minutes until the Mark Shuttleworth Q+A session folks! [14:57] * thegrieve cheers our SABDFL [14:58] * artir thinks sabdfl isn't here yet [14:58] thegrieve, one hour. [15:05] * thegrieve is aware of the fact but likes to express himself [15:05] * artir proposes thegrieve and everyone to say WELCOME MARK in capital letters when he enters the chat [15:07] * thegrieve thinks that might create a somewhat creepy village-of-the-damned-esque atmosphere..... naturally he approves === yusuf_ is now known as yusuf === jcastro changed the topic of #ubuntu-classroom to: Welcome to Open Week || Session: 1500 UTC: Mark Shuttleworth Q+A || https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek || All questions to #ubuntu-classroom-chat [15:37] testing === c is now known as Guest56243 [15:57] Just a few more minutes everyone! [16:01] Just a quick reminder before mark gets here [16:02] questions go in #ubuntu-classroom-chat [16:02] and I will paste them here [16:02] we always get a ton of questions, so if your question is easily google-able I'll probably skip it [16:02] so try not asking when the next ubuntu comes out or something. :) [16:03] howdy all [16:03] Welcome Mark! [16:03] fingers all warmed up, let's get cracking [16:03] Thanks everyone for showing up, all 324 of you! [16:04] start with questions or do you have something to say first? [16:04] well [16:04] only thanks to everyone who helped make 9.04 our BEST RELEASE EVER :-) [16:04] on that note, fire away [16:04] QUESTION: Issues with drivers tend to plague Ubuntu with with nasty bugs very close to release time, is there any reconsiderations with release schedules to give more time for beta testing? [16:05] effie_jayx: thorny problem, and not one that the release cycle itself can solve [16:05] the more time we spend on beta testing, the more new hardware is emerging that won't work with that release [16:05] there is a conversation ongoing about the LTS's [16:05] www.markshuttleworth.com needs comments, hint hint ;-) [16:05] but there's no strong movement to re-evaluate 6 month releases [16:06] next? [16:06] QUESTION: Recently a translation coordinator was appointed at Canonical, I am glad that this aspect of cooperation between Ubuntu and various upstream projects is in focus. Are there already plans and ideas on what should be improved, may be even there particular targets have been defined already? [16:06] you'd be best asking (David) ? [16:06] His session is 1500UTC on friday [16:06] coolio [16:06] QUESTION: Does canonical provides Internships or Entry Level positions for sysadmins/developers? [16:06] we spent a lot of time building a translation framework that could coordinate between ubuntu and upstream [16:07] and then realised we had nobody actually focused on that flow [16:07] so hopefully this will be a big improvement [16:07] RoAkSoAx: yes, we do, best to chat with someone on the canonical platform (ubuntu) team, or one of the sysadmins if that's your focus area [16:07] next? [16:07] QUESTION: Mark, are there plans to do more work with existing partners like IBM to increase official product (WebSphere, Eclipse, TeamConcert etc.) support for Ubuntu Server as an enterprise platform? http://www.ubuntu.com/partners/ibm [16:08] oldman: yes, very much so. we need to be able to demonstrate critical mass, i have no doubt we will get there [16:09] key thing is to demonstrate large organisations deploying ubuntu in production, underneath services which they expect to pay to keep healthy and innovative [16:09] so, if you have case studies, or users, that will help [16:09] as best i can tell, ubuntu is the #1 platform for evaluations, now [16:09] need to translate that into production deployments [16:09] next? [16:09] QUESITON: What factors are you juding 9.04 as the best release ever from ? [16:09] nice combination of desktop and server features, plus [16:10] no major subsystem issues, plus [16:10] some unique features we are contributing to upstream, plus [16:10] 105 release parties, plus [16:10] it's named after a mythical horned rabbit. [16:10] next? [16:10] QUESTION: Recently, the idea of replacing Rhythmbox for Banshee in Karmic has resparked the Mono debate in the Ubuntu community. As the SABDFL, what is your view on Mono? Is it safe to build a distribution that depends on it? [16:11] yes, i believe mono is a reasonable runtime to include in a distribution like ubuntu [16:11] i don't expect microsoft to launch any IP assaults based on mono adoption, they have said they will not do that [16:11] next? [16:11] QUESTION: Where do you think we are concerning the bug #1? do you see it being closed in the (more or less distant) future? [16:11] interesting times [16:12] linux (and to a certain extent ubuntu) is now a major force in the PC industry [16:12] microsoft was able to do a diving catch to save market share in netbooks only by giving XP away at very, very low prices [16:12] a product they wanted to kill 18 months ago [16:12] now, things will get more interesting [16:13] we will see Windows 7 Starter Edition in major western markets, which is new (it was designed for emerging markets to address piracy) [16:13] and we'll see if that model works for users [16:13] i think we can compete [16:13] ubuntu with full office capability competes nicely with uncrippled windows and office on price, stability and functionality [16:13] so, game on [16:14] we will know a lot more in 18 months - can we actually carve out territory that is defensible? [16:14] next? [16:14] QUESTION: what are the plans for GNOME3 and the LTS. Will you release 10.04 with it or defer it to 10.10? [16:14] we'll support GNOME3 in the best way we can [16:15] it's too early to say what that will be - it depends on what our users want, what the development community wants, and what the code looks like [16:15] i suspect it will be best to get GNOME3 onto as many *developer* desktops as possible as soon as possible [16:15] but that it will not be a good service to our users to suggest they upgrade direct to 3.0, perhaps more 3.2 [16:15] the experience with KDE was very useful [16:16] if GNOME 3 is 2.30, then I expect we would make available packages in universe or a PPA with easy tools for people to get it in one click or one command [16:16] while delivering an LTS based on more established code [16:17] next? [16:17] QUESTION: Now that Ubuntu is diving into the "Cloud" space, how does Canonical see this evolution of Ubuntu server - does it involve providing a server stack or more modular building blocks for enterprise apps? === ssd7 is now known as Guest98068 [16:18] the Ubuntu server is already fantastic for highly virtualised and large-scale deployments, thanks to it's awesome heritage in Debian combined with the predictability of the Ubuntu cycle and service backup of Canonical [16:18] the debian way is highly modular, which is great for large deployments because you only install the bits you need, meaning you only have security updates for the bits you need [16:18] it's also great for virtualisation, because you have leaner, more efficient images [16:18] so far so good [16:19] next, i think the focus will shift to finding and deploying appliances rather than packages [16:19] but, your crystal ball is likely as good as mine :-) [16:19] in 9.10, i think we'll show progress in how you design and build collections of virtual appliances for deployment on a UEC (Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud) substrate [16:19] next? [16:19] QUESTION: Mark, How do you see the Oracle-Sun deal, do you think it is going to affect Open source projects like Java, OpenOffice, etc? Is it going to affect in some way ubuntu? [16:20] it will definitely affect them, but it's too soon to know for sure how [16:20] we'll have to see whether Oracle makes any big initial moves (selling off or shutting down any projects) [16:20] then we'll need to see if the people who were engaged there are changed [16:20] and then we'll need to see how the dust settles [16:20] that will take three months, a year, three years respectively [16:21] the code is still free software, that cannot be taken back [16:21] if you're passionate about those projects the best thing to do is to participate, imo [16:21] i'm not worried about any of those [16:21] next? [16:21] QUESTION: Can you give us more intel on Ubuntuone, please? ( /sad kitten face=1) [16:22] ubuntu one is a framework for building online services that plug right into the desktop [16:22] so, you can build a service which has data in the cloud and a front-end on the desktop [16:22] Canonical provides some of the core infrastructure you can hook into [16:22] but your service is your business [16:22] next? [16:22] QUESTION:considering a recently map on open source activity worldwide, what do you think could help african people to use more open source products ? [16:23] ongolaBoy: it takes a lot of confidence to deploy open source [16:23] so, how can we build the IT skills confidence in the continent? [16:23] better education, better experience with open source [16:24] i think it's up to the IT leaders in countries, government and private sector, to decide which way they want to go [16:24] i'm pretty sure africa will be a major beneficiary, but i'm not sure africa will be an effective leader of the move to open source [16:24] next? [16:24] QUESTION: Will we finaly have a promised "New look" in next release, and is it gonna be something good, something different or something like Human-Clearlooks. :) [16:25] Milos_SD: it has taken a long, long time to pull together a design team [16:25] i had hoped to have that team in place six months ago, but it's still forming [16:25] i think we will make good progress in the next cycle [16:25] you can already see a few things that have borne fruit from that team [16:25] notifications, time zone selector in installer, etc [16:25] but it's fragmentary [16:26] i'm pretty darn confident we'll have a new look for 10.04 [16:26] but i think only pieces of that will emerge for 9.10 [16:26] next? [16:26] QUESTION: Canonical have a design ethic that's (IMO) ahead of the rest of the free software community, and I'd love to buy hardware with that design ethic; any chance of Canonical making that happen somehow? [16:26] some other questions about canonical getting into hardware as well [16:27] aquarius: appreciate the compliment - for the moment i think we have to focus our efforts on the software piece and work with a diversity of hardware partners to help you get the device you need and want! [16:27] next? [16:27] QUESTION: brick and mortar stores rely on the sales of software along with PCs. Many local-to-me shops refuse to carry free OS computers because they lose the related software sales. Do you have suggestions on how we can support our local shops AND Ubuntu? [16:27] it's a great question [16:27] essentially - is industry addicted to software margins, and can we safely treat the addiction? [16:28] one answer is that computers will increasingly be sold in non-specialised stores [16:28] both online and offline [16:28] Tesco's, and Amazon [16:28] or Dell.com [16:28] that's not a great answer for your local-to-you specialised store, though [16:29] i don't have better ideas other than that, if we continue to improve the experience, usefulness, robustness and capabilities of the free software alternative [16:29] industry will reconfigure itself around that [16:29] next? [16:29] QUESTION: Do you see value in assisting LoCo groups who want to advocate for Ubuntu at computer shows such as the annual NYSCATE show (http://www.nyscate.org/) where Microsoft and Apple have dominated mind share in US schools [16:30] i do, but i also know the difficulty of engaging with thousands of such initiatives [16:30] we have programs like shipit, where we have specific processes to identify and support those sorts of events [16:30] but we are a small team spread thin worldwide [16:30] do you have a specific request or suggestion? [16:30] if so, please mail jorge, and feel free to cc me [16:30] next? [16:31] QUESTION: If suddenly the majority of computer users were on Ubuntu machines instead of Windows, do you think Ubuntu would be ready? Are there any key developments that need to be made before Ubuntu could be an excellent mainstream product? (Is it even desirable to be so mainstream?) [16:31] great question [16:31] yes, it's desireable, and yes, there would be issues [16:31] i think we will grow into the role [16:31] there's a LOT going on at the hardware level, as we engage with the PC industry to work out how to enable them best on linux generally and Ubuntu specifically [16:32] if the world suddenly wanted Ubuntu everywhere tomorrow, we'd blow a fuse [16:32] but over time it could be done [16:32] and i think we shouldn't shy away from a mainstream role [16:33] folks spending weekends making X better, or GiMP better, or Abiword better, or OO.o better, will have more satisfaction if they know that work will reach 100m people rather than 10m people [16:33] next? [16:33] Question : regarding the computer distribution, I ofen been told linux is for geeks/specialists only, my ubuntu experiences shows me the inverse, how can we change the way stores sales man see linux ? [16:34] jarens: only with patience, time, and commitment to making it even better every six months [16:34] thank you for the compliments though :-) [16:34] next? [16:34] QUESTION: I hear your in support of the new Ubuntu Learning group, do you think it's important for LoCo groups to be involved in Education Events, classes and so on? [16:34] yes, very much so [16:34] in part to help jarens with those salesmen :-) [16:34] we have very precious knowledge, those of us who are early on the free software adoption curve [16:34] and finding effective ways to share it is essential [16:35] so, kudos and thanks to all who are involved in that effort [16:35] next? [16:35] Question:am from India and i can see real participation coming from all corners of the society for ubuntu but they need real volunteers/certifications/motivation.what is the roadmap for that? [16:35] koolhead17: participating is a social process [16:35] so one thing is to make sure that those who join are made welcome and find constructive things to do [16:36] it's also professional, so we have been working for some time on qualifications that certify one's skills [16:36] the most important thing, imo, is convincing Indian companies to deploy free software, and hire people who know how to make it work [16:36] i saw news today about India buying 250k OLPC's, which is great [16:37] I also saw news about Indian IT companies letting their employees spend time on open source software during the recession, also brilliant [16:37] because it will let them build their reputation and skills for the post-recession time [16:37] next? [16:37] TheOpenSourcerer: QUESTION: A *good while* ago announcements were made regarding the packaging of Alfresco and Zimbra in the repos. Where are they? [16:37] i don't know, offhand, i'm afraid [16:38] best would be to email john.pugh@canonical.com [16:38] next? [16:38] QUESTION: with Canonical settling on virtualization support around KVM, is there going to be development of a Ubuntu KVM baremetal install similar to what Redhat is working on? [16:38] you mean, a thins hypervisor layer? [16:38] yes [16:39] if so, we are already much thinner in a default install than Redhat [16:39] so it's less of a priority [16:39] next? [16:39] QUESTION: As a maintainer of Ubuntu systems, I find it disappointing when many (non-security) bugs are closed with a comment saying "this is fixed for the $current-version-in-dev". Can LTS-es please start getting more meaningful long term support, ie, not just security fixes? [16:39] carthik: every update carries risk [16:40] if we fixed a bug for one user, but broke thousands of systems, we would be abusing our responsibilities [16:40] so, we are conservative in that regard [16:40] the SRU process is there specifically to ensure we maintain predictability for users [16:41] sometimes the bug you know is better than the fix you don't [16:41] if you think it can be done better i would encourage you to join the team that evaluates SRU's [16:41] put more fixed packages in PPA's [16:41] next? [16:41] Some ayatana questions! QUESTION: Mark, as part of project ayatana, will we see Canonical's design team raising usability bugs and feeding suggested improvements into key desktop apps bug trackers for Karmic? https://launchpad.net/ayatana [16:41] yes [16:42] (also: QUESTION: What will come next in the Ayatana project? What part of the experience will you try to enhance next?) [16:42] Ayatana is an initiative that spans desktop environments (there are folks there from KDE and GNOME at least, possibly XFCE et al) [16:42] and I expect us to engage directly with individual upstreams as well as the broader DE's [16:43] notifications will see an evolutionary improvement in 9.10 that is under discussion on the Ayatana list [16:43] as will the messaging menu [16:43] those discussions are all public so please join in [16:43] there are some other new features that we are working on for partners, they will be open source when they release and go into the next version of ubuntu [16:43] more on those in the announcements in due course :-) [16:43] next? [16:43] QUESTION: What heuristic do you use to determine which parts of Launchpad will be open sourced, and which will remain proprietary? [16:44] launchpad.net is a front end, all of that code is being released [16:44] there are a variety of other services and things that talk to it [16:44] and we'll release some of those [16:45] in some cases, licensing of components may preclude release [16:45] in others, i may want to create competitive advantage for canonical [16:45] but everything that an upstream uses through the web will be released [16:45] next? [16:45] QUESTION: dear mister Mark. What kind of poems do you like? Flight to space what rhyme gives? [16:46] Poems that distract from crashy landings :-) [16:47] it's a long time since i read poetry, but thanks for the reminder i'll go dig some up! [16:47] saw Oliver recently, was a lot of fun, i was the Artful Dodger in a school performance of it years ago [16:47] next? [16:47] QUESTION: Why does Canonical refuse to provide a 32bit desktop kernel that supports more than 4GB of RAM? [16:47] Shock: because it's not worth the performance, stability and complexity tradeoffs for 10m users [16:47] next? [16:48] QUESTION: Have you seen gnome-shell what do you think? [16:48] i was there when it was being designed in Boston [16:48] i think there are cool ideas, and it will evolve into something fantastic given time [16:48] next? [16:48] QUESTION: Are there any plans to develop Beta/RC specific packages which are able to test hardware configurations and report more possible failures? [16:49] the whole arena of QA is coming on in leaps and bounds [16:49] we *nearly* go kerneloops integrated in 9.04, but it slipped [16:49] apport has come along hugely [16:49] all the bug reporting tools are improved [16:50] we are now at about 50% of bugs reported being done with tools rather than the web, which is great [16:50] we get much clearer data from tools, of course [16:50] for more, i would suggest you chat to henrik omma [16:50] next? [16:50] QUESTION: Mark, what is your all-time favorite comfort food ? [16:50] peanut butter and jam on toast [16:50] next? [16:51] QUESTION: Has there been any dialog with Apple on bringing official iTunes/iPod support to Linux? This has been another stumbling block to linux adoption... [16:51] (i also have a killer weakness for by-weight sweets at the movies) [16:51] miles2: none of which i'm aware [16:51] next? [16:51] QUESTION: In Ubuntu 9.04 there is a new system notifications (notify-osd) When the ability to customize them? If so, what emerges more than two messages? [16:51] A4Tech1: serialising the messages is by design behaviour for notify-osd [16:52] in other words, if three different apps send you messages, you see them one at a time [16:52] that lets us bound the area devoted to this on the screen [16:52] we also created the ability for apps to append to existing messages [16:52] which is useful for sequential messages from the same app, often [16:52] like, messages from a friend on IM [16:52] pidgin supports that, and a few others do too [16:53] we have no immediate plans for theming [16:53] nexct? [16:53] QUESTION: What do you think is the importance of FOSS gaming for the adoption of Ubuntu? [16:53] vensign: i don't have any good ideas for how to drive FOSS gaming forward [16:53]