=== pace_t_zulu_ is now known as pace_t_zulu === MaWaLe1 is now known as MaWaLe === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn [10:57] * persia peers about [10:57] hoi [10:58] hi [10:58] hi [10:58] hi [10:58] lifeless: persia: elky: Hi [10:59] oh, it's that day... [10:59] hi! [11:00] elky: hi [11:00] TheMuso? [11:00] persia: there? [11:00] TheMuso may not be around: there was mail to the ubuntustudio list that implied being away. [11:01] okie [11:01] he mailed the meeting list too [11:01] we are four here now [11:01] rather more explicitly than implied [11:01] lets begin [11:02] beltz: zakame: TheMuso: missing [11:02] this one time, at the asia pac membership board [11:04] lifeless: persia: elky: lets begin [11:04] Sounds good. [11:04] so here is the agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania [11:04] let me call one after other [11:04] hemanth: Hi [11:04] are you there? [11:04] amachu: hi [11:05] amachu: yes I am here [11:05] Please go ahead [11:05] Hi I am Hemanth H.M [11:05] sharing your contributions to Ubuntu [11:05] Am from India [11:06] ok :) [11:06] hi [11:06] Doing my final year of graduation in computer science [11:06] Started using Ubuntu from 2004 , got active in launchpad and brainstrom after my friend Bhavani Shankar's suggestion [11:06] hi [11:06] In launchpad : I do answer tracking , bug management , specification tracking and translations [11:07] My mother tongue is kannada , i do translations in kannada with a help of my professor who has vast experience in the same [11:07] hemanth: which language you contribute to? [11:07] kannada [11:08] south India language [11:08] In brainstrom , i have submitted many ideas and solutions listed here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/hemanth_brainstrom [11:08] I am active on IRC more , as i feel it would be easy to troubleshoot and exchange information instantly . [11:09] Offline , i help many people near my place to switch to ubuntu , i go to there place and teach them how to install and spread the awareness of ubuntu and teach them to pass it on [11:09] I have given many public demonstrations , in schools and universities near my place about how to on ubuntu , will not hesitate to go and speak on even bigger stage , so that i can share more ideas and thoughts [11:09] hemanth, why is none of this on your wikipage? [11:10] I thought I should write only technical aspect and ubuntu contribution [11:10] hemanth: when did you start doing answers ? [11:10] 2007 [11:11] To support the same , i made a very trivial website www.h3manth.com ,there are few post on common questions , people ask me while installing and when they are using ubuntu [11:11] hemanth: public demostrations - have you logged about them some where? [11:11] no [11:11] it was made in schools near my place [11:12] *place [11:12] video recording couldn't be made [11:12] where do you live in India? [11:12] Bangalore [11:14] okie [11:14] So, I'm a little fuzzy on the direct contribution of brainstorm. I see lots of ideas. Is there also a coordination element to realise those ideas? [11:14] I will take recording from next time , it's a nice idea :) [11:15] persia: yes [11:15] I'm +1 [11:15] the answers stuff is very long term and consistent [11:15] https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/%7Ehemanth-hm/+questions [11:15] thank you :) [11:16] While I think your documentation of what you're doing could be better to make our job easier; our job is to assess *you*, not the docs. [11:16] ok ... [11:17] Bother. [11:17] I'd like to encourage you to get involved in more technical things too though, your background is excellent for direct contribution - taking some of the concrete ideas in brainstorm and help make them happen [11:17] I'm +1 on answers as well, but I wanted to understand brainstorm contributions more (as much for future applications as this). [11:17] [things smaller than the IDE perhaps :P) [11:17] Unfortunately, I can't keep my browser up, so I'll just be impressed with the votes from others. [11:18] ok :) [11:18] persia: have you tried talking to it softly? [11:18] persia: perhaps some light music, candles... [11:18] lifeless, hrm. reverse philosophy. I'll try that. [11:19] hemanth: would have made it easy if you could have logged these in detail at wiki.. +1 from my end [11:19] But regardless of my browser problems >1400 positive vs. ~150 negative is very nice to see next to the answers data. [11:19] i'm still waiting for pages to load. [11:20] amachu: thanks :) , I will take your suggestions [11:20] persia: thanks :) [11:20] elky: your opinion? [11:20] elky: there? [11:21] yes, i'm still trying to review stuff [11:22] elky: take you time, will wait [11:22] take your time... [11:23] hemanth, i'm seeing in your brainstorm that you're suggesting things for stuff in launchpad... have you submitted bugs to be wishlisted at all? [11:23] no I haven't yet [11:23] on the same [11:23] why? [11:24] I thought it's an idea , and never thought of reporting a bug [11:24] reporting it as abug [11:24] also, i'm not familiar with brainstorm. I can only see like 3 days worth of ideas... 1-4 march. am i missing some? [11:25] yes [11:25] ah, the text is tiny, it's a month's worth, not 3 days [11:25] ok === GunbladeIV-- is now known as GunbladeIV [11:26] hemanth, is it only a month of suggestions, or are there more? [11:26] http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/contributor/hemanth.hm/ideas/ [11:27] hemanth: something needs to take ideas from brainstorm and get them into the work queue for people, or do them [11:27] so only the 2 pages? [11:27] hemanth: you don't *need* to file bugs elsewhere, but doing so when a lot of people support your idea is a good way to help move the ideas along [11:27] ok [11:28] elky: yes , I was seeing ideas in sandbox , I was trying to storm more [11:29] I'm +0. while the past few months of answers and they are nice, it's the only evidence of activity i see, and most are only the past few months. while it's a good start, i'm not convinced of the sustained nature of contribution [11:29] s/answers/answers and brainstorm/ [11:30] elky: there are years of answers [11:30] amachu, What's your call? [11:30] lifeless, how many for 2008 and 2007? [11:30] elky: click on the 'last' link on the answers page [11:30] persia: I would give +1, as said the wiki should have been better [11:30] elky: 5-6 a month sustained [11:30] hi all [11:31] goodluck [11:31] persia: yours? [11:31] elky: I'm not saying you're wrong, just that the evidence you're quoting appears inconsistent with what I see [11:31] https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/%7Ehemanth-hm/+questions?start=100&batch=50 is the beginning of time [11:33] specifically, 137 answers, spotty before the start of 2008, so say 134 across 16 months [11:34] which is close to 9 a month in fact [11:34] lifeless, 1 for 2005, 2 for 2007, 2 for the first half of 2008, and the rest until now. it's just not my idea of 'sustained and significant'. [11:35] elky: so, 132 in 10 months? [11:35] lifeless, one comment on a launchpad question every 3 days [11:36] In my book thats pretty sustained; we're talking volunteer time, and the questions I popped into seemed to have solid answers [11:36] persia: lost in between [11:37] lifeless, you might as well invite every forum regular here then. [11:37] elky: thats a good idea ;) [11:37] all how many thousand of them? [11:38] if they are contributing to the community, thats what we're here to recognise and assess [11:38] Hum. Lots of activity, but only 14 considered "answered". [11:38] persia, yeah, i noted that too. [11:39] answers is a bit odd in that regard [11:39] anyhow, we're a board to get an aggregate opinion [11:39] exactly [11:40] all I'm saying is that we should remember our focus :) we've been a bit myopic recently I feel [11:40] persia: what was your vote, when I asked for it? I lost in between [11:40] and i think there's a difference between a random regular and a significant impact. [11:40] but that's just me, it seems. [11:41] Well, I'm all for considering answers, or even forum activity, but I think that it's a good point as to whether it's considered "significant" and "sustained". [11:41] amachu, I'm confident of sustained. I'm less sure of significant. [11:41] i think he's doing good, yes. and i thank him wholeheartedly for it. i just dont match it to the criteria we're given to judge against. [11:42] I still can't get my browser to show me the brainstorm stuff, but of the answers I'm sampling, I'm seeing many not completely answered. [11:42] persia: overall is it +1 or +0? [11:42] elky: we're not asked to assess impact so much as contribution; people don't need to be rock stars to be members [11:42] lifeless, Well, what else is "signfiicant"? [11:42] lifeless, significance is an impact whether you want it to be or not. [11:42] I don't mean it requires "rock star" status, but it does imply something more than just being there. [11:43] it's like comparing an aquaintance to a friend, imho. [11:43] power fail I ups is down :( [11:43] * persia tries to look at brainstorm harder [11:43] elky: thats a good analogy - you can't say what makes someone one or the other but you can tell which is which [11:43] :) [11:43] lifeless, exactly. [11:44] btw https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/~hemanth-hm/+answeredquestions is totally bong [11:44] its like some of the bug summary pages that lp just fails on [11:44] amachu, I'm going to vote +0 finally. I still can't get to brainstorm to see the impact there, but based on the comments above about lack of bugs or specs developed from brainstorm, I think it's not quite there yet. [11:45] ok fine.. [11:45] persia, amachu is supposed to be the one with the shonky network! :P [11:46] hemanth: as you should have noticed, its 2 in favour out of 4 members present here.. [11:46] and elky persia would like to see more out of you.. [11:46] hemanth, And it may be that if I could see brainstorm, it would be enough: it's just a bit more of the same, plus helping get your solutions into Ubuntu (to avoidn future questions) that needs doing. [11:47] you have done god job.. keep up the good work.. and looking forward to see you soon.. [11:47] hemanth: there? [11:47] he said something about a UPS failure [11:48] elky: yes [11:48] ok.. linuxmalaysia: are you there? [11:48] yes [11:48] Im here [11:48] hi [11:48] go go linuxmalaysia !! [11:49] is the meeting under going? [11:49] Please go ahead [11:49] ok tq [11:49] Im Harisfazillah Jamel [11:49] Im from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia [11:49] Im now working with project Open Source Competency Centre (OSCC), MAMPU as RnD Team Lead. [11:49] elky, It's not a network issue: entirely software. [11:49] OSCC Promoting and providing OSS policy in Malaysia public sector. [11:50] http://opensource.mampu.gov.my/ [11:50] Linux user since 1998 [11:50] Ubuntu user since 2006 [11:50] Wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/linuxmalaysia [11:50] Lauchpad Profile : https://launchpad.net/~linuxmalaysia [11:50] linuxmalaysia, you came to us last meeting, yes? [11:50] yes but im stuck with other management meeting [11:51] linuxmalaysia: in mysig, was that every weekend you did classes? [11:51] ok, it's not dejavu then :D [11:51] Yes. We do our classes every weekend since 2001 till 2004. Later I continue with classess in OSCC. [11:52] is that still every weekend? [11:52] or some less hectic schedule? === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson [11:52] linuxmalaysia: would like to know more on your Ubuntu contributions.. [11:52] This group dormant since 2004. But It our main Agenda now to active back MySIG [11:52] Ubuntu LOCO Team is involved with this [11:53] linuxmalaysia, what have you done since we last spoke to you? [11:53] linuxmalaysia: with OSCC, how often do you do classes? [11:53] Im the adminstrator for Ubuntu Mirror [11:53] http://mirror.oscc.org.my/ubuntu/ [11:54] In oscc it all depand on training unit. Usual training desktop may occur once a month [11:54] ok, thats part of your job now? [11:54] Im also involved with Ubuntu Malay Translation [11:54] for Ubuntu [11:55] Ive create this page to promote the Malay translation [11:55] http://knowledge.oscc.org.my/practice-areas/rnd/projek-terjemahan-bahasa-melayu [11:55] I notice a bit of a gap in your recent translations, from January through April. What happened? [11:55] lifeless: amachu1: persia:sorry I was offline [11:55] lifeless: amachu1: persia:power fail [11:55] hemanth, I'll copy you log in a /query [11:55] hemanth1: that end vote was +2, from 4 votes [11:56] Im in management team for OSCC. beginning of the years Im involved with meeting related to policy decision [11:56] lifeless: what does it imply [11:56] hemanth1: we're onto another applicant now - please read persia's log, and we can chat briefly with you after the current applicant [11:56] Im going to continue that after MSC OSCONF 2009 this june. [11:56] ok [11:58] another my contribution is by pushing OSCC products to used lauchpad [11:58] we start with MyMeeting [11:58] https://launchpad.net/mymeeting [11:58] how is that an Ubuntu contribution? [11:59] We would like the agencies to used Ubuntu as its easy to install and most of the IT personnels know ubuntu then any other distro [11:59] MyMeeting is a online meeting management for Malaysian government build and support by OSCC MAMPU [11:59] https://edge.launchpad.net/~oscc/+archive/ppa [12:00] I'm +0.5 [12:00] i understand you're doing alot for Linux, but i'm failing to see how many of these things are contributions to Ubuntu *specifically* [12:00] my reasons are: you've shown solid and committed (wow, years of weekly volunteer weekend classes) contributions in the past, but current contributions seem sketchy and perhaps somewhat limited to what your job needs [12:01] elky. [12:01] I'm using Ubuntu for more than 3 years now. I've also suggest and implement the used of Ubuntu Desktop in OSCC MAMPU. All solution related to office environment in OSCC MAMPU is base on Ubuntu. Every thing is Ubuntu in our office. [12:01] elky, linuxmalaysia always be a speaker .. especially using ubuntu in government agencies [12:01] * GunbladeIV here as one of linuxmalaysia fans :D [12:01] My attention is to put our office environment as all out Open Source office example for government agencies in Malaysia. Ubuntu is the key to promote and tools to change the Desktop of each computers in Malaysian Government to used Open Source Software and solutions. [12:01] linuxmalaysia: are there people supporting you here? [12:01] amachu1, me [12:01] amachu1: e-jat and GunbladeIV are [12:01] It's harder than it's look, users rejection and attack from vendor but I believe we can do that. We have prove ourself Ubuntu Desktop can work in office environment and we want to duplicate it around Malaysia. [12:01] amachu1. me [12:01] amachu1, yeah me too... [12:01] linuxmalaysia, Yes, but the stuff you're referencing is about promoting all of open source, which is where the question is raised. [12:02] and the wiki too lacks testimonials [12:02] promoting launchpad is not really an Ubuntu contribution. Launchpad != Ubuntu [12:02] * ApOgEE- is here to support linuxmalaysia [12:02] /me support linuxmalaysia [12:02] persia : Ubuntu is part of Open Source and I believe by promoting Open Source we are also promoting Ubuntu [12:02] persia: he is promoting all of open source due to work policy, but Ubuntu is the main OS being promoted. [12:03] elky, he developes MyMeeting on top of Ubuntu, hence promoting Ubuntu as it's base [12:03] because each time Im doing my talks in conference I'll will show ubuntu when I present [12:03] linuxmalaysia: certainly.. the OSCC MAMPU seminars you have referred dates back to June 2008.. [12:04] In our exbition we always sjowcase ubuntu to the visitors and participant [12:04] elky, most of the government people in Malaysia know Ubuntu via OSCC ... [12:04] distibuted free Ubuntu [12:04] you have done good job in the past.. [12:04] + to ApOgEE- 's point [12:04] we print ourself more than 1000 Ubuntu CD for this purpose [12:05] raising my vote to +1 [12:05] amachu1: and in the future too.. please look for http://mscoscon.my [12:05] I think linuxmalaysia falls in the 'hard to quantify' category [12:05] amachu1: generally linuxmalaysia help a lot ubuntu-my community to help promoting ubuntu during the conference [12:05] linuxmalaysia n me also having meeting with canonical for desktop project in malaysia schools [12:05] It is not easy to get the buy in from the management. but believe me by promoting OSS and making Ubuntu the main example nad show them it works. [12:06] GunbladeIV: thats Open Source.. comprising all.. [12:06] lifeless, indeed, i'm mostly seeing pure coincidence [12:07] elky yes. Promoting OSS need examples. A good one and I believe Ubuntu has done that. [12:07] i do understand linuxmalaysia is taking Ubuntu wherever he can as his priority, over others [12:08] amachu1, Ubuntu-my got a big slot at classroom and hands-on tutorial at MSCOSCON.my [12:08] amachu: Thanks Ubuntu always the main disto for me and the others in OSCC to promote OSS [12:08] elky: governments have a tendancy to be allergic to single supplier products; so folk tendering/suggesting tools often have to position things more generically even when only one product is what they want to put in [12:08] elky: see all the fuss about open documentation standards for instance [12:09] amachu1, indeed. however i'm mildly annoyed that i asked for specific things, and got vagueness back. [12:09] lifeless : yes I agreed. But if you can show to them Ubuntu is better than the others thjat should be not a problem [12:09] amachu1: indeed - but we need to promote ubuntu through this kind of events due to awareness level in my is low atm. and he is the one making it happen. [12:09] http://tinyurl.com/cbcazs <-- linuxmalaysia actively join ubuntu-my meetup [12:09] linuxmalaysia, So, to repeat a question from above, there seems to have been a gap in your translations activity this spring. What happened? [12:09] persia: ITYM this autumn [12:09] GunbladeIV, e-jat We'd really prefer to have linuxmalaysia answer the questions. [12:10] * e-jat sorry .. [12:10] lifeless, Hrm, perhaps. [12:10] persia: roger :) - unplug my keyboard [12:10] persia: Im involved with management meeting that related to planning of OSCC early each years [12:10] persia: as much as autumn/spring apply to malaysia :) [12:10] usualy Im more active after mid years [12:10] lifeless, No, I mean sprint [12:10] s/sprint/spring/ [12:10] lifeless, i understand that. and i'm trying to decide what number to vote since i got cryptic answers to everything i asked. [12:10] elky: kk [12:11] persia: hmm, just north of the equator...ok ;) [12:11] It not easy to balance between jobs, family and contribution to Ubuntu [12:11] lifeless, By the smallest amount: I had to check. [12:11] :) [12:12] but I want to make the best of my time to contribute to Ubuntu mostly malay translation [12:13] we have gap for many years since last translation projects [12:13] Ive make a page for this to promote ubuntu translation [12:13] http://knowledge.oscc.org.my/practice-areas/rnd/projek-terjemahan-bahasa-melayu [12:13] linuxmalaysia, /rnd/ meaning random? [12:14] RnD = Research and Development [12:14] ah [12:14] Im also in talk with Gen Kanai from Mozilla to get the po from Ubuntu transaltion to commit Malay po to main branch [12:15] i think i'll go +0.5. but i'm still quite confused at what is actually a conscious contribution to ubuntu and what is mere coincidence. [12:16] Elky: Im promoting OSS by using Ubuntu [12:16] by making OSCC office to used Ubuntu [12:16] by making all the managers to used ubuntu [12:16] by making all our talk in seminars to used Ubuntu [12:17] http://blog.mozilla.com/gen/2009/04/01/bahasa-malaysia-mozilla-firefox/ [12:17] We have create interest in government agencies to used ubuntu as their desktop solutions [12:18] and 2 of agencies already used ubuntu as total ubuntu in theire office that can be total up to 200 users [12:18] amachu1, persia? did you two vote yet? [12:18] We are now pushing more agencies to change to Linux desktop aka Ubuntu desktop [12:18] linuxmalaysia: are you the person who is going to handle the talk on Ubuntu at http://www.mscmalaysia.my/osconf [12:18] I'm +1. I'm not convinced just from the MyOSS stuff, as from what I can see it's very generic, but when so many recognisable names from ubuntu-my speak in favour, that's enough to tip the balance. [12:19] linuxmalaysia: hearing me? [12:20] hes still in the channel [12:20] linuxmalaysia: 21:13 < amachu1> linuxmalaysia: are you the person who is going to handle the talk on Ubuntu at http://www.mscmalaysia.my/osconf [12:20] Nope it will be handle by Ubuntu-my loco [12:20] linuxmalaysia: who is presenting the talk [12:20] but the slot, installfest and booth is manage by me [12:21] lifeless, beluz n maybe prakash advani from canonical [12:21] lifeless, im inviting belutz to be one of the speaker for ubuntu slot in MSC OSCONF 2009 [12:21] so ive busy time with handling all that === nhandler is now known as Guest21024 [12:21] beluz and parkash will be handling the talk [12:21] linuxmalaysia: thats the confusion.. more generic stuff onto the wiki which is supposed to give a clear info on your sustained contribution to Ubuntu [12:22] our idea is to get 3 persons from ubuntu on the stages, beluz, parkash and one from loco to present on the talk [12:23] amachu1: Yes I believe I should write more on my contribute in term of Ubuntu [12:23] by Im myself not easy to brag abour oneself [12:23] talk less work more [12:23] linuxmalaysia, get your teammates to write down what they know you've done, then you bulk it out. [12:24] elky ok will do that [12:24] Nature of a Malaysian: We don't brag....much! haha [12:24] elky: I would give +1, based on proof of contributions for almost few years now and the presence of Loco team members supporting linuxmalaysia [12:24] itiknila, he's done plenty of bragging tonight. just none with clear links [12:25] thanks amachu [12:25] so 3 out of 4 for linuxmalaysia, right? [12:25] elky this one of them http://blog.harisfazillah.info/2008/06/trip-to-miri-sarawak-malaysia.html [12:26] answering questions != bragging [12:26] we bring along Ubuntu CD to all OSCC seminars and ditribute to participant [12:26] *participants [12:26] persia: lifeless: elky: I welcome linuxmalaysia! [12:27] is that fine? [12:27] amachu1, i was and still am +0.5, so 3.5 [12:27] Thank you amachu [12:27] elky: cool.. [12:27] elky. Still thanks for me. Im will brag more about ubuntu [12:27] *from me [12:27] linuxmalaysia: Welcome! keep up the good work.. [12:27] linuxmalaysia: congrats === bizkut_ is now known as bizkut [12:28] Thanks amachu [12:28] congrats linuxmalaysia :) [12:28] linuxmalaysia: Congrat!s! [12:28] tnks hemanth [12:28] raywang? [12:28] amachu1, yeah :) [12:28] rawang: its your turn [12:28] is it my turn? [12:28] ok [12:28] amachu1, so linuxmalaysia in ? [12:28] e-jat: yes [12:29] tq all. tq to Malaysian LOCO team [12:29] congrats linuxmalaysia [12:29] linuxmalaysia, to be pedantic i am going to point out that it's LoCo :P [12:29] thanks lifeless [12:30] elky, :) [12:30] thanks elky. By loco supports Im accepted [12:31] couldn't i become the membership if my contribution is less then linuxmalaysia? :P [12:31] ok, should i start or wait for you ask? [12:32] rawang, Please introduce yourself. [12:32] ok [12:32] I'm from China, and I'm Ubuntuer [12:32] I like it since i first use it. [12:32] my first ubuntu distribution is Breezy, so i use ubuntu for near 3.5 years, [12:32] rawang: Please go ahead [12:33] i have engaged people to use Ubuntu and help them out.for years. [12:33] and answered questions on http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/ [12:34] the url is the ubuntu China website, i'm not sure it is official or not. [12:34] I'm also a Ubuntu LoCo Enthusiast [12:35] and i participated in Ubuntu LoCo Enthusiasts and Ubuntu Simplified Chinese Translators group [12:35] i'm a mono a11y engineer, and currently i'm working on build mono a11y stuff on my ppa, next step, i'm like to be a MOTU, and core developer is my future goal. [12:35] my wiki is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RayWang [12:36] and launchpad is https://launchpad.net/~raywang [12:36] rawang, Did you bring anyone to support you? [12:36] i did translation both on launchpad and gnome.org, promote Ubuntu on the OSS meeting, you could look at the photo in my lauchpad page :) [12:37] yeah, freeflying is my friend, but seems like he is not available now. :( [12:37] Well, I'm +0. [12:38] likewise. He sounds like a perfect recruit to the MOTU stables though [12:38] Insufficient documented advocacy with the LoCo team (which could be improved with updates to the wiki page), no supporters, and karma of 4. [12:38] rawang: would like to see more on the wiki, with suitable references [12:38] That said, I do think that there's a good path towards working with the developers, and going that route. I'd recommend asking freeflying to introduce you around #ubuntu-motu. [12:39] yeah but to be a MOTU, [12:39] keep up good work and +0 from me, this time around [12:39] i'd should be a ubuntu member, right? [12:39] rawang: not necessary.. [12:39] lifeless: your thoughts? [12:39] rawang, Yes, but if you're seeking membership based entirely on development activities, you should seek membership from the MOTU Council. [12:40] rawang: I concur with the other board members; you sound like you're doing a bunch of open source things (which is good), but few are solid Ubuntu *community* contributions, and this is the community board. [12:40] rawang: MOTU grant memberships too [12:40] amachu1, It's a rare developer that becomes MOTU without first being a member (although it does happen). === keffie_jayx is now known as effie_jayx [12:40] persia: actually, I think its rather common, but my measurements may be skewed. [12:40] lifeless, Well, I'd argue we could grant membership for a developer, as long as they also had other involvements. I'd be less confident in the case of a pure-developer. [12:41] motu is like a combination of the two processes in the end. [12:41] persia: I agree with the sentiment [12:41] persia: i agree [12:41] yep [12:41] So this is the community contribution board? [12:41] yes [12:42] rawang, Well, no. This is the regional membership board, for all sorts of contributions. [12:42] it is one of them. [12:42] persia, ok :) [12:42] There are two others (for the other regions). [12:42] s/the/a/ [12:42] rawang: you can still be here.. but today for me the wiki lacks suitable references and would like to see more clarity [12:42] But I'd like to contribute to our packages on Ubuntu, and I do like Ubuntu very much [12:42] and this is our stuff http://www.mono-project.com/Accessibility:_Team [12:43] amachu1, understand [12:43]