[00:00] <WikiZ> charlie-tca that did the trick, thanks :)
[00:00] <WikiZ> but no vnc working :(
[00:00] <lukinfore> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=367663 was that been fixed?
[00:01] <charlie-tca> friartuck: there are many.
[00:01] <charlie-tca> !evolution
[00:01] <charlie-tca> !info evolution
[00:02] <friartuck> charlie-tca yes, there's some obvious ones in suggested, but I don't think I need all suggested
[00:02] <J_Litewski> IKm8ghasHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHTQA  4HHMMMMC7808PP[/8777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777788*u444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444445TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT,PDHFNB ,M060/6*
[00:02] <J_Litewski> STUPID PIGGIE
[00:02] <J_Litewski> and caps :?
[00:02] <lukinfore> lol, answer accepted
[00:03] <J_Litewski> not a good idea
[00:03] <charlie-tca> lukinfore: according to that report, yes
[00:03] <charlie-tca> J_Litewski: you let a pig walk on the keyboard?
[00:03] <J_Litewski> disregard that guinea pig post
[00:03] <lukinfore> well according to recent post it raising again
[00:03] <lukinfore> *last post
[00:04] <J_Litewski> at least he didn't end my kernel compile :)
[00:04] <lukinfore> and according to mine current gdmap state
[00:04] <J_Litewski> now, to wait 2 hours for it to finish
[00:05] <charlie-tca> I wouldn't let that one type anymore ;)
[00:05] <charlie-tca> He ain't even as good as the cat!
[00:14] <WikiZ> is there any firewall after fresh xubuntu install?
[00:15] <charlie-tca> shouldn't be, since no ports are opened
[00:16] <WikiZ> how do i open?
[00:16] <charlie-tca> Usually automatic as you install apps that need them.
[00:16] <charlie-tca> When you set up email, it opens ports 110 and 25
[00:16] <charlie-tca> firefox will open 80
[00:17] <WikiZ> just installed ftp server to test if thats why i cant vnc to it
[00:17] <WikiZ> and i cant connect to the ftpserver either
[00:17] <WikiZ> is there any gui thing for it or do i need to do it manually with iptables?
[00:18] <charlie-tca> I do it manually with an old script I wrote
[00:19] <Digit0> hello
[00:20] <Digit0> I have a problem with wine
[00:20] <Digit0> in the new 9.04
[00:20] <lukinfore> charlie-tca, did you mean input policy should be drop by default?
[00:20] <lukinfore> and , should i create a bug about gdmap?
[00:21] <lukinfore> someone can test that?
[00:21] <charlie-tca> no, I mean there is no input policy since there are no iptables by default
[00:21] <lukinfore> well, then all ports shold be opened
[00:22] <charlie-tca> Yes, you probably should create a bug about gdmap, and please include the debian bug number.
[00:22] <lukinfore> k, just want someone to proove this
[00:22] <charlie-tca> All ports are closed by default. You have to specifically open the ones you want
[00:22] <WikiZ> opend it all, still dosent work
[00:23] <lukinfore> uhm, if policy is accept, then port is open, isn't it?
[00:25] <charlie-tca> There is no accept / drop policy in place. the ports are not open
[00:25] <charlie-tca> accept/drop is iptables. They don't exist by default, so there are no policies
[00:27] <charlie-tca> !ufw
[00:27] <charlie-tca> !info ufw
[00:27] <charlie-tca> !iptables
[00:29] <WikiZ> charlie-tca i ran iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -j ACCEPT
[00:29] <WikiZ> and for outputaswel
[00:29] <charlie-tca> I don't know enough about using vnc to help anymore.
[00:30] <charlie-tca> Someone else will come along, I'm sure.
[00:34] <forces> saluton
[00:39] <lukinfore> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdmap/+bug/368302
[00:39] <lukinfore> here we are
[00:40] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[00:40] <lukinfore> charlie-tca, so you mean iptables had to mot be installed by default?
[00:40] <lukinfore> *not
[00:40]  * lukinfore in doubt
[00:40] <charlie-tca> !iptables
[00:41] <charlie-tca> See what this stuff says
[00:52] <lukinfore> Iptables is a firewall, installed by default on all official Ubuntu distributions (Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu). When you install Ubuntu, iptables is there, but it allows all traffic by default.
[00:52] <lukinfore> but, thanks for usefuk links anyway
[00:52] <charlie-tca> Okay, I was wrong
[00:52] <charlie-tca> So which ports did it open by default?
[00:52] <knome> every.
[00:53] <knome> "all traffic" == "all ports"
[00:54] <charlie-tca> Strange, when I use nmap to check them on a fresh install, nothing is open
[00:54] <knome> hmmh.
[00:54]  * knome wonders what to do next
[00:54] <charlie-tca> Go to sleep?
[00:54] <knome> nah, it's only 3am
[00:55] <charlie-tca> I am leaving now. Gotta take a break, myself.
[00:55] <knome> hehe
[00:55] <knome> see you
[01:07] <tmurase> hello, I'm wondering why banshee's icon is not showing up in the notification area.  known bug (sry if it is)
[01:07] <tmurase> ?
[01:23] <J_Litewski> hopefully this kernel works
[01:33] <BCM43> I have a laptop with xubuntu installed and a Intel 82830 CGC card, and I am having a huge number of artifacts. How can I fix this?
[01:42] <forces> wich xubuntu version?
[01:42] <BCM43> forces: 9.04
[01:43] <forces> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904#Performance%20regressions%20on%20Intel%20graphics%20cards
[01:45] <BCM43> forces: there is no xorg.conf
[02:02] <mykevelli> has anyone heard of problems with jaunty not wanting to come out of suspend mode?
[02:05] <BCM43> forces: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=945271
[02:23] <MTec007> would file permissions cause my wifi card to only connect at only 1mbps
[02:23] <MTec007> i can barely access my http router config
[03:22] <mn> Firefox 3.0.9 on Linux kernel 2.6.24-23 generic on Xubuntu 8.04.1 Hardy Heron will not quit loading pages.  We have a decently fast connection so the page is loaded, but the little loading circle up in the left corner of the tab just keeps going around on any webpage I visit
[04:30] <noobsoup> is there any way to disable screen savers without going to settings manager->screensavers ? every time my screensaver comes on it turns off the monitor and locks me out of my system :( when i try to turn it off through the settings manager it previews the screensaver and locks me out :(
[04:34] <thismamacooks200> fresh jaunty upgrade, cheese doesn't find my webcam, camorama doesn't find /dev/video0 (I have no /dev/vid* anything). lsbusb reports a "Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0545:800c Xirlink, Inc. Veo StingRay"
[04:35] <forces> os[Linux 2.6.28-11-generic i686] distro[Ubuntu "karmic" 9.10] cpu[2 x Genuine Intel(R) CPU           T2400  @ 1.83GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1000MHz] mem[Physical: 2.0GB, 81.2% free] disk[Total: 206.0GB, 67.1% free] video[Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA Intel]
[04:36]  * forces is using karmic
[04:36] <forces> :P
[04:37] <thismamacooks200> :P? whats the emoticon for 'krazy'?
[04:41] <fregoMT> anyone know where xorg.conf is for xubuntu?
[04:41] <fregoMT> or the equivalent?
[04:41] <fregoMT> I've got a laptop stuck in 800x600 resolution
[04:42] <thismamacooks200> xorg.conf is in /ext/X11/, unless something reall weird was done. but xorg.conf is nearly obsolete now anyhow. have you tried xrandr ?
[04:43] <thismamacooks200> sorry /etc/x11/
[04:44] <tyko> hi all, just wondering if xubuntu 9.04 uses the new ubuntu notification system ...
[04:45] <fregoMT> thismamacooks200>  no I haven't tried xrandr
[04:45] <fregoMT> googling...
[04:46] <thismamacooks200> somthing like "xrander --output  VGA --mode 1024x768" but instead of "VGA" you'll have to use the name of your output. and "1024x768" might be different also. use "xrandr -q" to find out your output names and modes
[04:48] <thismamacooks200> on a laptop, you may have "LDVS" also. Generally the "VGA" varient is merely a copy of it and you should try the VGA first.
[04:48] <noobsoup> is there any way to disable screen savers without going to settings manager->screensavers ? every time my screensaver comes on it turns off the monitor and locks me out of my system :( when i try to turn it off through the settings manager it previews the screensaver and locks me out :(
[04:49] <thismamacooks200> oh, use "xrander --output  VGA --mode 800x600" first. that way, if the second command-line leaves you blind you can press the <up arrow> and <return> to get you display back
[04:50] <fregoMT> will give that a whirl thismamacooks200> and report back!
[04:50] <fregoMT> Thanks!
[04:51]  * thismamacooks200 afk
[05:04]  * thismamacooks200 bak
[06:51] <harej> I am trying to install Xubuntu to a volume which is not the main ATA hard drive. The installation fails when Grub fails to execute. I tried solving this problem, but I have no reason to believe Grub exists at all in my system. How can I install Grub, then?
[07:18] <brandon_> need some assistance getting a t40 with the cisco card talking wpa - if anyone's around TIA
[07:19] <Mat-Cauthon> um... since changing to 9.04 xfce gets quite slow when enabling display compositing. wasn't the case with 8.10. is this a known problem?
[07:20] <brandon_> i think they're all asleep ;)
[07:20] <SiDi> hi hi
[07:20] <SiDi> Mat-Cauthon: check your drivers
[07:20] <SiDi> esp if you have an intel/sis card
[07:20] <SiDi> There's a new x.org version with 9.04, so if your GPU manufacturer didnt make new drivers that'd explain why it's slow
[07:21]  * SiDi goes to shower now :O
[07:22] <Mat-Cauthon> it's an intel 4500mhd onboard thingy, actually
[07:27] <Mat-Cauthon> so how would i go about checking the driver? :p
[07:43] <gabkdlly> Mat-Cauthon: Applications -> System -> Hardware Drivers
[07:43] <gabkdlly> might be what you are looking for
[07:43] <Mat-Cauthon> nothing in there
[07:43] <Mat-Cauthon> and wasn't before ;)
[07:46] <SiDi> MrNaz: fix your client please
[07:47] <SiDi> Mat-Cauthon: intel cards are having trouble
[07:47] <SiDi> Afaik, it's being investigated by Intel
[07:47] <SiDi> The best is to disable composite transparency by the meanwhile
[07:48] <Mat-Cauthon> well yea, i've done that already, since it was quite annoying ^^
[07:48] <Mat-Cauthon> so if a fix was released by intel, how would i get it?
[07:49] <Mat-Cauthon> wait until it's implemented into the kernel, which will then eventually make it to the ubuntu repo?
[07:49] <SiDi> http://www.geekosophical.net/?p=263
[07:49] <SiDi> Mat-Cauthon: via automatic updates
[07:49] <SiDi> If the drivers are fixed there will be an update
[07:50] <SiDi> Anyways you should wait for either Intel devs / Ubuntu devs / Debian devs to have an official fix.
[07:50] <SiDi> I can't recommand you any workaround for GPU drivers.
[07:50] <SiDi> It's too critical :P
[07:51] <Mat-Cauthon> fair enough
[07:51] <Mat-Cauthon> i suppose i can do without transparent windows for a couple of days ;)
[07:51] <Mat-Cauthon> well, thanks for the advice
[07:51] <cr4z3d> i just upgraded to 9.04 and trying to get nautilus as my default file manager. i came across an article telling me to edit menu.xml but it seems this is obsolete in the new xfce version. how can i do this?
[07:52] <SiDi> You're welcome Mat-Cauthon
[07:53] <SiDi> cr4z3d: i don't know if its possible to make it completely default
[07:53] <SiDi> for instance, we use thunar-volman for the usb keys and such stuff, and this will relay on thunar
[07:54] <SiDi> but you can add a "nautilus --no-desktop" launcher on your panel, for instance
[07:54] <SiDi> as for the menu, edit it with alacarte (i don't guarantee the changes will make it to the xfce menu, you may then have to tweak your .desktop files in ~/.local/share/applications/)
[07:58] <cr4z3d> SiDi: thanks for the information
[08:03] <div0> hello!! how to set screen resolution to 1280x1024? Intel 945G Chipset. Driver "intel". Maximum - 1360x768 :(
[08:05] <SiDi> hi div0
[08:06] <div0> SiDi, hi :)
[08:06] <SiDi> Are you under jaunty ?
[08:06] <div0> yes
[08:06] <SiDi> then i don't know :P
[08:06] <div0> oh
[08:06] <SiDi> Jaunty Intel drivers are not very good at the moment, and i don't have any intel card, so i can't help
[08:06] <SiDi> feel free to try #ubuntu though
[08:06] <SiDi> !xorg
[08:06] <FlyOnThe1all> already did ;P
[08:07] <SiDi> Check this also
[08:07] <div0> SiDi, thanks :)
[08:07] <SiDi> but i'm not sure wether it'll work or not
[08:09] <div0> I tested it
[08:53] <owen1> in many sites i visit (github is a good example) the text is smashed and unreadable. only hovering with the mouse 'cleans' it. any ideas?
[08:59] <R1coch3t> change resolution
[09:05] <owen1> R1coch3t: interesting. it only happends with some sites though.
[09:53] <_Pete_> rehi
[09:53] <_Pete_> after latest updates my favourite sysmonitor gkrellm decided to double it's width and now looks bad
[09:53] <_Pete_> anyidea what might be causing that? Already tried to change fonts smaller but no effect to widht
[10:09] <Rapachooie> hi all
[10:09] <Rapachooie> wondering how I can autostart applications in xfce, as per "sessions" in gnome
[10:21] <gharz> guys, i'm using 8.10... why is it that when i minimize an application, the application doesn't show in my panel so i can click on it to restore the app?
[10:24] <gharz> guys, i've installed xubuntu-desktop on top of my ubuntu... i've noticed that when i minimize an application, the application icon doesn't show on the panel/taskbar so that i could just click on it to restore... how do i fix this?
[10:34] <wtv> how to change the number of workspaces to 4?
[11:15] <WikiZ> i have been following this guide http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2006/12/xubuntu-remote-desktop-with-vnc4server.html to install vncserver on my xubuntu machine, but when i connect to the machine i just get the screen here the mouse is a X and so forth, anyone know what could possibly be wrong?
[11:18] <ablomen> WikiZ, it doesnt start a desktop manager session
[11:19] <ablomen> WikiZ, if you get a normal gdm, look at the session button
[11:19] <WikiZ> session button?
[11:19] <WikiZ> there is no button at all
[11:20] <ablomen> oh you dont even get a login screen
[11:20] <WikiZ> nope
[11:20] <WikiZ> just gray bg and the cross
[11:20] <ablomen> WikiZ, tehn look at the gdm part again
[11:21] <ablomen> i think it might be on this part: RemoteGreeter=/usr/lib/gdm/gdmlogin". not sure though, cant test it myself
[11:21] <WikiZ> thats already fixed
[11:22] <WikiZ> nothing wrong in that config
[11:22] <WikiZ> double checked that 100 times already
[11:32] <WikiZ> seems like there is a known bug
[11:32] <WikiZ> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/vnc4/+bug/78282
[11:53] <ramrod> can anyone help, i try to play audio cds with mcdp and it always says "Sorry, can't open cd-device "/dev/cdrom1" !"
[11:53] <ramrod> doesnt matter what dev i try to start
[12:25] <gharz> guys, i've installed xubuntu-desktop on my ubuntu... and now i want to completely uninstall it... how do it remove it completely?
[12:26] <TheSheep> sudo apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get autoremove
[12:28] <wtv> how do i change the keyboard layout from UK to US?
[12:28] <TheSheep> !layout | wtv
[12:29] <wtv> !shortcuts
[12:39] <wtv> TheSheep: that didn't help
[12:40] <wtv> i edited the xorg.conf file but the layout is still uk, which i want to change to us
[12:41] <_Pete_> btw, what's different between uk/us layouts?
[12:42] <TheSheep> wtv: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810#X.Org%20Input%20Devices
[12:42] <TheSheep> _Pete_: some keys are in differnet places, there is a £ and no `
[12:46] <wtv> if i use sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup, will it be applicable to all DEs on my system?
[12:46] <wtv> i have 4
[14:08] <basajaun> hi all
[14:19] <kromar1> so since disk manager disapeared with 9.04, what app is able to mount my ntfs drives on boot?
[14:23] <forces> nano and /etc/fstab
[14:33] <Ruadh> Hi all
[14:34] <Pres-Gas> Hey, Ruadh
[14:35] <Pres-Gas> Okay, so I goofed and installed desktop forgetting that it does not seem to allow setting a static IP.  Has anyone seen improvement with Network Manager and static IPs for 9.04?
[14:44] <Mat-Cauthon> does anyone know of a music player for linux of the likes of foobar2000?
[14:45] <Whisper> i have been following this guide http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2006/12/xubuntu-remote-desktop-with-vnc4server.html to install vncserver on my xubuntu machine, but when i connect to the machine i just get the screen here the mouse is a X and so forth, anyone know what could possibly be wrong?
[14:47] <tavasti> Whisper, in your ~/.vnc/xstartup should be something which starts 'client' programs to your vnc session
[14:47] <tavasti> window manager etc
[14:48] <tavasti> like this:
[14:48] <Whisper> dont have that file at
[14:48] <Whisper> at all
[14:48] <tavasti> #!/bin/sh
[14:48] <tavasti> xrdb $HOME/.Xresources
[14:48] <tavasti> x-window-manager &
[14:48] <charlie-tca> !pastebin
[14:49] <tavasti> charlie-tca, is even 3 lines too much?
[14:49] <charlie-tca> No, I thought it was much longer
[14:49] <ball> I just filed my first Xubuntu bug
[14:49] <charlie-tca> you're fine
[14:49] <Whisper> charlie-tca noone else is talking right now, if there was several discussions going on youre right
[14:49] <ball> ...I wonder what happens next
[14:49] <charlie-tca> ball, what is the bug number?
[14:49] <Whisper> tavasti well, how come i dont even have that file?
[14:49] <ball> 368614
[14:50] <charlie-tca> I bugsquad member will look at it and see if you have enough information for the developers to work it.
[14:50] <charlie-tca> bug 368614
[14:50]  * charlie-tca kicks the robot!
[14:50] <tavasti> Whisper, I suppose that has to be created by hand
[14:50] <Whisper> is those lines all i need?
[14:51] <tavasti> chmod 755  ~/.vnc/xstartup
[14:51] <ball> charlie-tca: can you think of any additional information that I should include?
[14:51] <tavasti> that should be enough
[14:51] <ball> (that will help them)
[14:51] <charlie-tca> I am looking now
[14:52] <tavasti> IMHO, it would be nice if default xstartup file would be created automatically :-(
[14:52] <Whisper> tavasti still the same
[14:53] <charlie-tca> add the /var/xorg.0.log using "add a comment/attachment" line
[14:53] <tavasti> Whisper, you have to kill your vncserver, and start new
[14:53] <tavasti> like 'vncserver -kill :1'
[14:53] <charlie-tca> also going to need the output of lspci -vvnn as a text file
[14:54] <Whisper> its running via xinetd
[14:54] <Whisper> tavasti restarted xinetd, still no go
[14:55] <tavasti> ps ax | grep vnc
[14:55] <tavasti> kill that process
[14:55] <Whisper> i have no such process
[14:55] <tavasti> BTW, how is that configured to run from xinetd, by what user, etc?
[14:56] <Whisper> user whisper
[14:56] <ball> I don't have a /var/xorg.0.log
[14:56] <tavasti> do you have any log files in ~/.vnc ?
[14:56] <ball> Ah, it's in /var/log
[14:57] <tavasti> and pid file?
[14:57] <Whisper> nope
[14:57] <tavasti> hmm, which vnc variant you have installed?
[14:57] <tavasti> I have tightvnc, that may behave differently
[14:58] <Whisper> http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2006/12/xubuntu-remote-desktop-with-vnc4server.html
[14:58] <Whisper> used that guide
[14:58] <Whisper> vnc4server
[14:59] <ball> charlie-tca: thanks a lot for that.
[14:59] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[14:59] <Whisper> tavasti tightvnc server you say?
[15:00] <Whisper> i guess i could try that one, know any good howto?
[15:00] <tavasti> no, don't bother
[15:00] <tavasti> -query localhost
[15:01] <tavasti> It tries to connect local gdm/xdm/kdm, which ever you have installed
[15:01] <tavasti> 1) do you have any of those running
[15:02] <Whisper> yeah, im logged in at the computer
[15:02] <tavasti> 2) does it service xdmcp request
[15:02] <Whisper> in xfce
[15:03] <Whisper> yepp
[15:03] <Whisper> but i read something about a bug causing this in the latest version
[15:04] <tavasti> do you have xnest installed?
[15:04] <tavasti> try ' Xnest -query localhost  :1 '
[15:05] <Whisper> nope, have to apt it
[15:05] <tavasti> at least in my system I get normal, grey X, since I haven't turned xdmcp on
[15:05] <tavasti> apt-get install xnest
[15:07] <Whisper> tavasti you want me to run that in the vnc session or what?
[15:07] <tavasti> No, run that locally
[15:07] <Whisper> okay
[15:07] <Whisper> gave me a black window
[15:08] <tavasti> black?
[15:08] <Whisper> yeah
[15:08] <Whisper> had some error in terminal. gimme a sec and ill pastebin it
[15:08] <tavasti> anyway, gdm is not serving you, configuring gdm needed
[15:09]  * genii suspects "no usable screens found"
[15:09] <tavasti> gdmsetup may do the trick, or configuring /etc/gdm/*
[15:10] <tavasti> sorry, gotta go ->
[15:10] <Whisper> no http://pastebay.com/12308
[15:12] <Mat-Cauthon> does anyone know of a music player for linux of the likes of foobar2000?
[15:13] <Whisper> songbird?
[15:13] <ladanz> Hi there, i have a little problem: it seems that my notification-area and my notes-plugin doesn't save options like "no border" or "always on top". any suggestions?
[15:14] <dojero> Hello to all
[15:14] <Mat-Cauthon> i've tried songbird and didn't like it... too clustered
[15:15] <charlie-tca> !hi | dojero
[15:15] <Mat-Cauthon> und too uncomfortable/slow i guess
[15:15] <dojero> I'm currently using Xubuntu 8.10 and just tried out the live CD of 9.04.  Ran into some problems I thought someone here might be able to help me with.
[15:15] <charlie-tca> !question | dojero
[15:16] <dojero> Sorry...
[15:16] <dojero> The CTRL-Escape key didn't work for invoking the menu.  Is there a way to implement that?
[15:18] <Mat-Cauthon> settings->keyboard->app shortcuts->add xfce4-popup-menu on ctrl+esc
[15:18] <dojero> Great...what about the hotkeys on my keyboard for volume up/down/mute (FN-F10, Fn-F11, FN-f12)?
[15:19] <Mat-Cauthon> that one i'd be interested in, too - fn-left/right here, worked in 8.10, doesn't work now
[15:19] <Mat-Cauthon> though fn-up/down for setting the brightness does still work
[15:19] <charlie-tca> You have to add them in the same place
[15:20] <dojero> charlie-tca: add them using aumix definitions?
[15:20] <charlie-tca> Yes
[15:21] <Mat-Cauthon> well, that's possible, but i wonder why they don't work by default anymore, with the lovely (not obtrusive) hud and all
[15:21] <ollie_> Hi, after having installed Jaunty, XFCE seems broken. It's acting as if the "Allow XFCE to manage this desktop" option is disabled, but I can't see the option in Settings -> Desktop to enable it.
[15:21] <charlie-tca> Too many combinations to try and define them in advance. It depends on the keyboard.
[15:21] <dojero> Great...thanks to Mat-Cauthon and charlie-tca
[15:21] <ollie_> Also, on the login page it says, "Would you like to make XFCE.desktop your default session? XFCE Session is not installed on this computer"
[15:22] <Mat-Cauthon> but fn-left just sends XF86AudioLowerVolume on my laptop, why doesn't it catch that?
[15:23] <charlie-tca> It is not defined, is it?
[15:23] <dojero> The command has to be amixer set Master 2-
[15:23] <dojero> Or whatever your main volume is and however much lower you want it to go.
[15:23] <Mat-Cauthon> no, but neither are the shortcuts for setting the display brightness, and neither were they in 8.10
[15:24] <charlie-tca> Xfce 4.6 changed a lot of configurations things. It is not the same as 8.10
[15:25] <charlie-tca> ollie_: telling it yes allows it to set the correct options to manage the desktop now.
[15:25] <dojero> The last problem was weird...I went to a video site and my Syntek webcam turned on by itself...and I couldn't turn it off...it's the built in camera on my Asus laptop
[15:26] <ollie_> 5:25:05 < charlie-tca> ollie_: telling it yes allows it to set the correct  options to manage the desktop now.
[15:26] <ollie_> I can't see the option though
[15:26] <ollie_> In settings manager -> Desktop, it looks like the GNOME desktop settings ;c
[15:26] <ollie_> and there is no option to allow it
[15:26] <ollie_> it was working fine up until the jaunty update
[15:27] <Mat-Cauthon> what command would i set a shortcut for if i wanted to get the hud feedback when changing my volume?
[15:27] <dojero> The Syntek webcam has never gotten along with Xubuntu (or Kubuntu before that, for that matter), but I was hoping things might improve in 9.4
[15:27] <charlie-tca> It is automatic when you let it be the default session. If xfce-session is not running, it won't manage the desktop
[15:28] <ollie_> charlie-tca: I am using xfce at the moment
[15:28] <ollie_> the option isn't there in Desktop settings
[15:29] <charlie-tca> no, it is not in 9.04
 Also, on the login page it says, "Would you like to make XFCE.desktop your default session? XFCE Session is not installed on this computer"
[15:29] <charlie-tca> tell it yes
[15:30] <ollie_> I did
[15:30] <ollie_> just now
[15:30] <ollie_> still not working
[15:31] <kromar> how do i play files with amarok?
[15:34] <ollie_> charlie-tca: any idea?
[15:35] <dojero> I'm guessing that no one has any ideas about the Syntek camera problem?
[15:39] <charlie-tca> ollie_: try ctrl+Alt+F2 and run xfce4-session
[15:40] <ollie_> ok
[15:42] <ollie_> charlie-tca: Gtk warning, cannot open display
[15:45] <gorgut> can someone tell me where the script is that tells mono to start at login?
[15:45] <charlie-tca> I am out of ideas, ollie_
[15:46] <ollie_> ;[
[15:46] <ollie_> very annoying
[15:46] <ollie_> I tried going into GNOME a minute ago
[15:46] <ollie_> and I can't right click the desktop
[15:46] <ollie_> heh
[15:46] <ollie_> but everything else appears OK
[15:46] <ollie_> although tehre are no desktop icons on gnome either
[15:46] <ollie_> ;c
[15:47] <ollie_> gonna try booting into intripid again
[15:47] <gorgut> charlie-tca, any idea why /usr/bin/mono runs whenever I log in?
[15:47] <charlie-tca> nope
[15:48] <charlie-tca> Something you added that needs it.
[15:48] <gorgut> ugh. uses all the CPU for some reason. It's almost worth uninstalling Tomboy
[15:48] <charlie-tca> It is not default for jaunty
[15:48] <gorgut> yeah I had to install it for Tomboy
[15:49] <gorgut> i can't find ANYTHING that's telling it to run
[15:49] <charlie-tca> It starts then because Tomboy requires it just to run. Does Tomboy show up in the panel?
[15:49] <ollie_> ;c
[15:49] <ollie_> broken on this kernel too
[15:49] <ollie_> if I do apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop, will that remove GNOME
[15:49] <gorgut> Yeah, i have tomboy running in the panel, but Tomboy runs fine without it after I kill it in htop
[15:49] <ollie_> but leave xfce?
[15:49] <ollie_> -.-
[15:50] <charlie-tca> ollie_: sounds like maybe the user config files might have wrong permissions
[15:50] <ollie_> where are they located?
[15:50] <charlie-tca> ~/home/USER_NAME/.???
[15:51] <charlie-tca> If you do ls -lA in a terminal, you can see who owns the files. Root should not be owner
[15:52] <charlie-tca> gorgut: I don't know why it should work without mono. If Tomboy runs in the panel on startup, mono will start.
[15:52] <ollie_> ollie@ollie-ubuntu:~$ ls -lah | grep root|more
[15:52] <ollie_> drwxr-xr-x  5 root  root   4.0K 2008-04-01 11:00 ..
[15:52] <ollie_> -rw-------  1 root  root   1.0K 2008-07-09 10:52 .rnd
[15:52] <ollie_> -rw-------  1 root  root    653 2009-03-06 12:31 .Xauthority
[15:52] <ollie_> don't think they're important?
[15:53] <ollie_> gonna see if logging in as root makes a difference
[15:53] <knome> Mark Shuttleworth answers your questions few minutes (15-17UTC) on #ubuntu-classroom. Questions on #ubuntu-classroom-chat.
[15:54] <charlie-tca> owner should be ollie, not root, of all files in /home/ollie
[15:54] <charlie-tca> what about in /home/ollie/.config ?
[15:54] <ollie_> drwxr-xr-x 19 ollie ollie  4.0K 2009-04-28 15:33 .config
[15:55] <charlie-tca> You can use chown -r to change owner to ollie of all your home files. That might be what is wrong.
[15:56] <charlie-tca> Is your intrepid install using the same /home?
[15:58] <ollie_> yeah
[15:58] <ollie_> it's not actually a seperate isntall
[15:58] <ollie_> heh
[15:58] <ollie_> I meant the kernel intrepid was using
[15:58] <ollie_> not that it would make much of a difference
[15:59] <ollie_> seems something in the update broke it anyway
[16:00] <ollie_> charlie-tca: if I remove xubuntu-desktop and reinstall it, I won't lose any data, rite?
[16:00] <charlie-tca> The config files from intrepid to jaunty changed too much. They can't use a common /home/ollie/.config at least
[16:01] <charlie-tca> When jaunty changes the files, intrepid can't use them anymore.
[16:04]  * ollie_ grumbles
[16:04] <ollie_> it works if I login as root
[16:05] <charlie-tca> Then chown -r ollie:ollie /home/ollie
[16:05] <ollie_> oot@ollie-ubuntu:/home# chown ollie.ollie -R ollie/
[16:05] <ollie_> doing it nao
[16:05] <ollie_> chown: cannot access `ollie/.gvfs': Permission denied
[16:05] <ollie_> o
[16:05] <charlie-tca> normal
[16:05] <ollie_> mk
[16:05] <ollie_> well brb
[16:05] <charlie-tca> oh, gotta use sudo
[16:06] <ollie_> \o/
[16:06] <ollie_> still broken
[16:06] <ollie_> ;p
[16:07] <charlie-tca> did it with sudo, to change the owner from root?
[16:07] <charlie-tca> then log out/log in
[16:09] <ollie_> 16:07:18 < charlie-tca> did it with sudo, to change the owner from root?
[16:09] <ollie_> 16:07:27 < charlie-tca> then log out/log in
[16:09] <ollie_> I already su'd to root
[16:09] <ollie_> works when I create a new user though
[16:09] <ollie_> so w/e
[16:10] <ollie_> I'll just delete that user and recreate it
[16:10] <charlie-tca> Because if you su'd to root, it kept ownership
[16:10] <ollie_> why would su'ing to root keep my users ownership o.O
[16:10] <charlie-tca> Using sudo keeps you the owner
[16:10] <charlie-tca> sudo chown -r is different than becoming root
[16:11] <charlie-tca> I don't understand it, I just have fought with it
[16:11] <ollie_> uh huh
[16:11] <ollie_> don't worry
[16:11] <ollie_> i'll just delete the user and recreate
[16:12] <charlie-tca> okay
[16:14] <Mat-Cauthon> hmpf, how do i get back the volume osd i had with 8.10?
[16:15] <charlie-tca> Not sure what you mean, Mat-Cauthon
[16:15] <charlie-tca> In the panel?
[16:16] <ollie_> meh
[16:16] <ollie_> well
[16:16] <ollie_> this works
[16:16] <Mat-Cauthon> no, i used to get an osd when using the fn-keys on my laptop for changing volume
[16:16] <Mat-Cauthon> i still get that osd when changing the brightness via fn-keys, but not for the volume anymore
[16:17] <Mat-Cauthon> well, using my fn-keys for changing the volume now doesn't work in the first place, unless i manually add a shortcut, as i've mentioned before, so..
[16:34] <Mat-Cauthon> is it possible to get a mouse cursor in inverted colors (i.e. the colors should change according to where the mouse pointer rests)?
[16:40] <TheSheep> Mat-Cauthon: I don't think so, even if you could, I would advise against
[16:41] <Whisper> what package is the make tools in?
[16:41] <charlie-tca> build-essential ?
[16:41] <TheSheep> Whisper: install build-essential package, it will give you a whole set of tools
[16:43] <Whisper> thanks :)
[16:44] <Mat-Cauthon> why would you do that TheSheep?
[16:45] <Besogon> I bought Wireless LAN Adapter and installed it. There haven't Wifi internet else (I hope I going tocreate it). OK. When I typed "ifconfig" I have apperaed to interfaces: wlan0 and wmaster0... What are they mean??????? I only whant to know.
[16:46] <TheSheep> Mat-Cauthon: it's hard to spot and tiring for the eyes
[16:46] <Mat-Cauthon> err, no, the point is that it is _easier_ to see
[16:47] <Mat-Cauthon> since the colors are always opposite to those of the background
[16:47] <charlie-tca> Besogon: wlan0 is the wireless adapter, wlan is used instead of eth
[16:48] <Besogon> charlie-tca, And what does mean wmaster?
[16:48] <Besogon> wmaster0
[16:48] <charlie-tca> I don't know.
[16:48] <charlie-tca> !wireless
[16:48] <Besogon> wlan0     Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:22:15:71:21:89
[16:48] <Besogon> wmaster0  Link encap:UNSPEC  HWaddr 00-22-15-71-21-89-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00
[16:49] <charlie-tca> Is it a wireless router?
[16:50] <Besogon> It is Asus WL-138g v2 (It can translate internet and receive)
[16:51] <Besogon> PCI card
[16:53] <charlie-tca> Maybe that is what the wmaster0 is for, I don't know.
[16:55] <Besogon> Like said in my country: dick knows, but it is working
[16:57] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that's it!
[17:49] <genii> the wmaster0 is the USB  bridge to the wlan0
[17:49] <J_Litewski1> really?
[17:49] <J_Litewski1> i got a wmaster0 for my PCMIA card
[17:50] <J_Litewski1> wmaster1 is for my USB dongle
[17:51] <J_Litewski1> anyways, is there a way to change where lib-notify pop-ups show up?
[17:52] <J_Litewski1> it's kind of annoying having them pop up at the bottom right-hand corner
[18:04] <binskipy2u> hey everyone.. is XFCE that much faster then Gnome/Kde , is it "that" much lighter then each?
[18:04] <binskipy2u> i mean that noticeable
[18:04] <charlie-tca> lighter
[18:05] <charlie-tca> If you don't install all the software of gnome and kde.
[18:06] <binskipy2u> proberly only install k3b
[18:06] <binskipy2u> cause i like it better then brassero
[18:07] <J_Litewski1> charlie-tca, is there any way to change where libnotify popups appear?
[18:07] <binskipy2u> is the speed differences.. etc. worth it to go from ubuntu 9.04 to xubuntu 9.04
[18:07] <charlie-tca> J_Litewski1: Not to my knowledge
[18:09] <charlie-tca> binskipy2u: depends on your hardware
[18:09] <binskipy2u> its a triplecore 64bit processor w/4gigs ram
[18:09] <charlie-tca> My old PII 400Mhz won't work hardly with Ubuntu
[18:09] <binskipy2u> dont care about compiz, or wobbly windows
[18:10] <zoredache> you probably won't notice much of a difference given that your system is so fast
[18:10] <kromar> you have a phenom II x3?
[18:12] <binskipy2u> just a 9 month old triplecore 8450
[18:12] <binskipy2u> phenom plain
[18:13] <kromar> any idea how i can increase the volume on my system? since 9.04 the volume seems very limited
[18:15] <cyberfree> motd
[18:15] <tmurase> kromar: how are you trying to raise the volume?
[18:16] <tmurase> I find that most of my memory still goes to firefox ;)
[18:16] <kromar> tmurase: well i added a mixer to the taskbar and there is everything maxed out
[18:17] <tmurase> kromar: under properties which "sound card" is selected?
[18:17] <kromar> properties?
[18:17] <kromar> in the mixer or where?
[18:17] <tmurase> er, in the mixer
[18:18] <SiDi> tmurase: feel free to try opera./midori  ;)
[18:18] <kromar> Realtek ALC8B9A (OSS Mixer)
[18:18] <tmurase> SiDi: I'm a noscript diehard :)
[18:18] <SiDi> wee, i'm not the only one with volume decreased since jaunty !
[18:18] <SiDi> (actually i think i ran into all the known bugs at a time :d)
[18:18] <tmurase> kromar: no alsa or pulseaudio "sound cards" available in the mixer?
[18:18] <kromar> nope
[18:19] <tmurase> huh
[18:19] <knome> SiDi, you definitely should be on our bug squad! ;)
[18:19] <kromar> in 8.10 i had a app in the settings to set the sound but now its gone, maybe thats the problem?
[18:19]  * charlie-tca thinks SiDi is special, found every known bug at one go
[18:20] <charlie-tca> Other people only get to find one or two at a time, SiDi
[18:20] <knome> totally!
[18:20] <knome> that is true talent
[18:20] <charlie-tca> tmurase: should not be pulseaudio in Xubuntu
[18:20] <kromar> ok i installed GNOME ALSA mixer and there i can turn the volume higher
[18:21] <SiDi> charlie-tca: i wrote a bug report for keyboard shortcuts
[18:21] <tmurase> charlie-tca: but oss only?
[18:21] <SiDi> and 3/4 guys came with same bug and a fix
[18:21] <SiDi> it worked
[18:21] <SiDi> for them
[18:21] <knome> bigger than the ugly lady on the britains talent ;>
[18:21] <charlie-tca> I saw it, SiDi. Got two or three confirming it, but it is hard to tell if they are seeing the same thing
[18:21] <SiDi> Yeh
[18:22] <SiDi> anyways the default keyboard shortcuts file is broken for me
[18:22] <charlie-tca> tmurase: no, alsa should have been there
[18:22] <SiDi> since i resetted it to default
[18:22] <SiDi> and i'm on 4.6.1 now, still same problem
[18:22] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that makes me think they don't have the same bug
[18:24] <SiDi> charlie-tca: i noticed some weird error messages from scim today
[18:24] <SiDi> so i'll just kick scim's butt later and see if my keyboard goes better
[18:24] <SiDi> whats weird tho is that xfwm4's shortcuts and gnome-keybinding-properties' ones just work
[18:24] <charlie-tca> scim, too?
[18:26] <SiDi> charlie-tca: you'll be at the UDS, right ?
[18:26] <charlie-tca> no
[18:26] <SiDi> aw
[18:27] <charlie-tca> medical condition
[18:27] <SiDi> ew
[18:27] <charlie-tca> I will be there in spirit
[18:27] <SiDi> Okey :)
[18:27] <SiDi> in video, too ?
[18:27] <charlie-tca> no
[18:28] <SiDi> in irc, at least ? :o
[18:28] <charlie-tca> irc, gobby, icecast
[18:30] <tmurase> I have to say, I'm not missing gnome at all now with the latest xubuntu
[18:31] <charlie-tca> :-)
[18:31] <tmurase> I'm sure that will make Jorge cry ;)
[18:38] <Idespnnr> tmurase: what differences have you noticed between xfce and gnome?
[18:40] <tmurase> Not a whole lot, but that's probably due to the fact I moved from vanilla ubuntu
[18:40] <tmurase> I can see in comparing with my sole remaining gnome box that the overall xfce environment is lighter in terms of resources
[19:06] <daftdasplat> smile
[19:06] <daftdasplat> bye
[19:07] <SiDi> do we have any ISO image below 250 MB available via torrent ?
[19:28] <zoredache> SiDi: you can download the mini.iso of the web site (~12mb)
[19:28] <zoredache> you must have working network access to install
[19:29] <Besogon> SiDi, Puppy linux ISO 100Mb about
[19:30] <SiDi> Besogon: thanks
[19:30] <SiDi> zoredache: i wanna download some torrent stuff ;)
[19:50] <J_Litewski> http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=14819787 <-- my dream computer
[20:02] <Mood> is there a bug with the new xubuntu/xfce clock?
[20:03] <Mood> when i hover over it, it still shows Apr 24 Friday, but the display is correct
[20:32] <jeidson> anyone have advice on how to connect to a windows vpn server that is using pptp. I'm using xubuntu 8.04. and have tried suggestions from internet
[20:33] <jeidson> So far I tried using networkmanager-pptp but the only option I get is manual setup.
[20:34] <jeidson> I have been unable to get a connection with kvpnc either.
[20:36] <Besogon> jeidson, I did it year ago
[20:37] <jeidson> Besogon, Do you remember how you got it to work, or have things changed too much?
[20:38] <Besogon> OK. See routes. (May be easer way for you it install new Network manager).
[20:40] <jeidson> Besogon, OK. I will try that.
[20:41] <Besogon> When you connect to VPN server, ypur host will change and Your computer cant find DNS servers. For resolve that you must write routes in script for pptp-up or somewere else
[20:41] <J_Litewski> how do i change my wired connection settings?
[20:41] <J_Litewski> the Edit button is grayed out when i go into Edit Connections
[20:44] <Besogon> J_Litewski, https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/internet/C/troubleshooting.html (Did you try that?)
[21:14] <J_Litewski> where is libnotify/notify.h?
[21:17] <SiDi>  /usr/include/
[21:17] <SiDi> looking for something in particular with libnotify ?
[21:19] <chewit> Just out of interest, is there any speed tweaks I can use in Xfce or Xubuntu (as a whole)?
[21:19] <J_Litewski> i'm screwing around with making C programs
[21:19] <J_Litewski> and thinking about writing a plugin for the xfce4 terminal if something happens
[21:22] <genii> chewit: For load time you can put in the kernel load line for 1 time the option "profile"
[21:23] <J_Litewski> there is no libnotify folder in /usr/include/
[21:24] <chewit> genii, where would i change the kernel load time?
[21:24] <chewit> oh i know what u mean
[21:24] <chewit> i have already done that
[21:25] <genii> chewit: How much RAM on the system?
[21:26] <Haris_> hi all
[21:26] <chewit> 256MB
[21:27] <chewit> i am after speed tweaks on the desktop, not bothered about boot time
[21:27] <Haris_> does anyone know where can i find a list of laptops supported by xubuntu?
[21:27] <genii> chewit: If you had a larger amount of ram, you could make a ramdisk and run some part of your fs from it.
[21:29] <chewit> oh
[21:31] <cody-somerville> Haris_, Xubuntu should run just fine on most laptops
[21:31] <Haris_> thnx cody... i was thinking about installing ubuntu
[21:32] <Haris_> but seems like it doesnt really go well on hp 530, the lptp i have
[21:34] <tweaksource> the hp530 is about the same specs as my gateway mx8530 and i have no problems with ubuntu.
[21:34] <Haris_> so there is hope for me :)
[21:34] <tweaksource> In the past, I had to tweak drivers for IPW2200 and /or ATI divers, but not for the last few releases
[21:35] <J_Litewski> SiDi, /usr/include/ doesn't have a libnotify folder
[21:35] <tweaksource> Xubuntu may run smoother for you. Try both live discs!
[21:35] <SiDi> J_Litewski: it does here
[21:35] <SiDi> install libnotify-dev
[21:35] <J_Litewski> ah
[21:36] <tweaksource> Is there a boot code to run 'buntu live from ram?
[21:36] <genii> chewit: If you feel brave you can also use apt-build on the apps you most often are using. With an apt-build.conf file specifying compiler options which will build those apps tailored to your specific machine. But the gains overall are marginal.
[21:37] <artistxe> tweaksource, you mean like Puppy ?
[21:37] <Haris_> @tweaksource: thnx... will try both of them
[21:37] <tweaksource> Or , mandriva, etc.
[21:37] <chewit> ok genii, thanks
[21:37] <genii> chewit: np
[21:38] <tweaksource> MCNLive runs GREAT from ram. Ubuntu would smoke!
[21:38] <artistxe> not that I am aware of. that would be a plus that would not go unmentioned
[21:38] <artistxe> MCNLive ?
[21:39] <tweaksource> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mcnlive
[21:39] <tweaksource> Mandriva has improved a lot.
[21:39] <artistxe> KDE running from ram ?
[21:39] <tweaksource> Ubuntu still rules.
[21:39] <tweaksource> Yes, KDE from ram.
[21:39] <tweaksource> From usb flashdrive, no less.
[21:40] <J_Litewski> heh, Xubuntu would fly running from RAM
[21:40] <artistxe> not really a KDE fan here. check the name of this room ;)
[21:40] <J_Litewski> plus a SSD = epic
[21:40] <tweaksource> I agree, J_Litewski.
[21:41] <artistxe> J_Litewski, pfft. check out one of the many Puppy distros
[21:41] <tweaksource> Is puppy rpm-based?
[21:42] <J_Litewski> i mean, when i get my dream computer, Xubuntu will fly (since most of it will be run from RAM/GPU/NPU)
[21:42] <tweaksource> Quad-core netbook = dream-PC
[21:43] <tweaksource> What's NPU?
[21:43] <artistxe> tweaksource, no. but there is a way to get rpm and deb packages I have heard
[21:44] <J_Litewski> NPU = Network Processing Unit
[21:44] <J_Litewski> tweaksource: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=14819787
[21:46] <tweaksource> artistxe: so no package manager at all?
[21:47] <tweaksource> thanks, J_Litewski
[21:48] <artistxe> tweaksource, yes. PupGet from the Puppy repos
[21:51] <artistxe> tweaksource, mind you. I only use it when I need to really need to bang my keyboard and fast switching between apps. I rolled my own version which I appropriately nickname " SlutPuppy"
[21:52] <zerothis> how often has this happened? <http://digg.com/linux_unix/Proprietary_Software_Can_Kill_You?FC=PRCK4>
[21:53] <tweaksource> Copy that. I've rolled a couple of custom distros. I'll check out the Puppy, too.
[21:53] <tweaksource> Remastersys works for me in ubuntu.
[21:54] <tweaksource> Peace out!
[21:54] <artistxe> later
[22:14] <J_Litewski> 51 packages need to be installed to use libnotify-dev
[22:16] <charlie-tca> heh, sounds like gnome again?
[22:17] <J_Litewski> heh
[22:17] <J_Litewski> i'm going to remove wine and most bluetooth support
[22:21]  * SiDi cries.
[22:22] <J_Litewski> since my lappy doesn't have bluetooth support, it's useless
[22:35] <MarcPV> hi there
[22:49] <BSE> SiDi: dont cry, little one.. it will be ok, uncle Tux will help you
[22:50] <SiDi> meh ! :P
[23:09] <tobi> I have a problem with acpi events
[23:09] <tobi> I've added a file to /etc/acpi/events
[23:09] <tobi>  and the event is fired
[23:09] <tobi> I can see it with acpi_listen
[23:09] <tobi> but the script isn't started
[23:13] <JPohlmann> Is the script marked executable?
[23:13] <JPohlmann> How does it look like?
[23:14] <tobi> /etc/acpi/events/thinkpad-swivel-down
[23:14] <tobi> event=ibm/hotkey HKEY 00000080 00005009
[23:14] <tobi> action=/etc/acpi/thinkpad-swivel-down.sh
[23:14] <tobi> and i can run thinkpad-swivel-down.shfrom the bash
[23:16] <JPohlmann> As root or whatever user runs acpid?
[23:17] <tobi> how can I check?
[23:18] <JPohlmann> ls -la /etc/acpi/thinkpad-swivel-down.sh
[23:18] <JPohlmann> Is the file in /etc/acpi/events executable as well?
[23:18] <JPohlmann> I'm not sure it has to be but you never know ...
[23:18] <tobi> no, no file in /etc/acpi/events is executable
[23:18] <JPohlmann> Hm, ok.