[00:00] charlie-tca that did the trick, thanks :) [00:00] but no vnc working :( [00:00] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=367663 was that been fixed? [00:01] friartuck: there are many. [00:01] !evolution [00:01] Sorry, I don't know anything about evolution [00:01] !info evolution [00:01] evolution (source: evolution): groupware suite with mail client and organizer. In component main, is optional. Version 2.26.1-0ubuntu1 (jaunty), package size 2138 kB, installed size 6424 kB [00:02] charlie-tca yes, there's some obvious ones in suggested, but I don't think I need all suggested [00:02] IKm8ghasHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHTQA 4HHMMMMC7808PP[/8777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777788*u444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444445TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT,PDHFNB ,M060/6* [00:02] STUPID PIGGIE [00:02] and caps :? [00:02] lol, answer accepted [00:03] not a good idea [00:03] lukinfore: according to that report, yes [00:03] J_Litewski: you let a pig walk on the keyboard? [00:03] disregard that guinea pig post [00:03] well according to recent post it raising again [00:03] *last post [00:04] at least he didn't end my kernel compile :) [00:04] and according to mine current gdmap state [00:04] now, to wait 2 hours for it to finish [00:05] I wouldn't let that one type anymore ;) [00:05] He ain't even as good as the cat! [00:14] is there any firewall after fresh xubuntu install? [00:15] shouldn't be, since no ports are opened [00:16] how do i open? [00:16] Usually automatic as you install apps that need them. [00:16] When you set up email, it opens ports 110 and 25 [00:16] firefox will open 80 [00:17] just installed ftp server to test if thats why i cant vnc to it [00:17] and i cant connect to the ftpserver either [00:17] is there any gui thing for it or do i need to do it manually with iptables? [00:18] I do it manually with an old script I wrote [00:19] hello [00:20] I have a problem with wine [00:20] in the new 9.04 [00:20] charlie-tca, did you mean input policy should be drop by default? [00:20] and , should i create a bug about gdmap? [00:21] someone can test that? [00:21] no, I mean there is no input policy since there are no iptables by default [00:21] well, then all ports shold be opened [00:22] Yes, you probably should create a bug about gdmap, and please include the debian bug number. [00:22] k, just want someone to proove this [00:22] All ports are closed by default. You have to specifically open the ones you want [00:22] opend it all, still dosent work [00:23] uhm, if policy is accept, then port is open, isn't it? [00:25] There is no accept / drop policy in place. the ports are not open [00:25] accept/drop is iptables. They don't exist by default, so there are no policies [00:27] !ufw [00:27] Sorry, I don't know anything about ufw [00:27] !info ufw [00:27] ufw (source: ufw): program for managing a netfilter firewall. In component main, is standard. Version 0.27-0ubuntu2 (jaunty), package size 61 kB, installed size 436 kB [00:27] !iptables [00:27] Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'ufw' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Uncomplicated_Firewall_ufw), or 'iptables' (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo). GUI applications such as Firestarter/Gufw (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE) also exist [00:29] charlie-tca i ran iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -j ACCEPT [00:29] and for outputaswel [00:29] I don't know enough about using vnc to help anymore. [00:30] Someone else will come along, I'm sure. [00:34] saluton [00:39] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdmap/+bug/368302 [00:39] here we are [00:40] Thank you [00:40] charlie-tca, so you mean iptables had to mot be installed by default? [00:40] *not [00:40] * lukinfore in doubt [00:40] !iptables [00:40] Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'ufw' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Uncomplicated_Firewall_ufw), or 'iptables' (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo). GUI applications such as Firestarter/Gufw (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE) also exist [00:41] See what this stuff says [00:52] Iptables is a firewall, installed by default on all official Ubuntu distributions (Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu). When you install Ubuntu, iptables is there, but it allows all traffic by default. [00:52] but, thanks for usefuk links anyway [00:52] Okay, I was wrong [00:52] So which ports did it open by default? [00:52] every. [00:53] "all traffic" == "all ports" [00:54] Strange, when I use nmap to check them on a fresh install, nothing is open [00:54] hmmh. [00:54] * knome wonders what to do next [00:54] Go to sleep? [00:54] nah, it's only 3am [00:55] I am leaving now. Gotta take a break, myself. [00:55] hehe [00:55] see you [01:07] hello, I'm wondering why banshee's icon is not showing up in the notification area. known bug (sry if it is) [01:07] ? [01:23] hopefully this kernel works [01:33] I have a laptop with xubuntu installed and a Intel 82830 CGC card, and I am having a huge number of artifacts. How can I fix this? [01:42] wich xubuntu version? [01:42] forces: 9.04 [01:43] http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904#Performance%20regressions%20on%20Intel%20graphics%20cards [01:45] forces: there is no xorg.conf [02:02] has anyone heard of problems with jaunty not wanting to come out of suspend mode? [02:05] forces: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=945271 [02:23] would file permissions cause my wifi card to only connect at only 1mbps [02:23] i can barely access my http router config === freego is now known as forces [03:22] Firefox 3.0.9 on Linux kernel 2.6.24-23 generic on Xubuntu 8.04.1 Hardy Heron will not quit loading pages. We have a decently fast connection so the page is loaded, but the little loading circle up in the left corner of the tab just keeps going around on any webpage I visit [04:30] is there any way to disable screen savers without going to settings manager->screensavers ? every time my screensaver comes on it turns off the monitor and locks me out of my system :( when i try to turn it off through the settings manager it previews the screensaver and locks me out :( [04:34] fresh jaunty upgrade, cheese doesn't find my webcam, camorama doesn't find /dev/video0 (I have no /dev/vid* anything). lsbusb reports a "Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0545:800c Xirlink, Inc. Veo StingRay" [04:35] os[Linux 2.6.28-11-generic i686] distro[Ubuntu "karmic" 9.10] cpu[2 x Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2400 @ 1.83GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1000MHz] mem[Physical: 2.0GB, 81.2% free] disk[Total: 206.0GB, 67.1% free] video[Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA Intel] [04:36] * forces is using karmic [04:36] :P [04:37] :P? whats the emoticon for 'krazy'? [04:41] anyone know where xorg.conf is for xubuntu? [04:41] or the equivalent? [04:41] I've got a laptop stuck in 800x600 resolution [04:42] xorg.conf is in /ext/X11/, unless something reall weird was done. but xorg.conf is nearly obsolete now anyhow. have you tried xrandr ? [04:43] sorry /etc/x11/ [04:44] hi all, just wondering if xubuntu 9.04 uses the new ubuntu notification system ... [04:45] thismamacooks200> no I haven't tried xrandr [04:45] googling... [04:46] somthing like "xrander --output VGA --mode 1024x768" but instead of "VGA" you'll have to use the name of your output. and "1024x768" might be different also. use "xrandr -q" to find out your output names and modes [04:48] on a laptop, you may have "LDVS" also. Generally the "VGA" varient is merely a copy of it and you should try the VGA first. [04:48] is there any way to disable screen savers without going to settings manager->screensavers ? every time my screensaver comes on it turns off the monitor and locks me out of my system :( when i try to turn it off through the settings manager it previews the screensaver and locks me out :( [04:49] oh, use "xrander --output VGA --mode 800x600" first. that way, if the second command-line leaves you blind you can press the and to get you display back [04:50] will give that a whirl thismamacooks200> and report back! [04:50] Thanks! [04:51] * thismamacooks200 afk [05:04] * thismamacooks200 bak === Anon is now known as Dab202 [06:51] I am trying to install Xubuntu to a volume which is not the main ATA hard drive. The installation fails when Grub fails to execute. I tried solving this problem, but I have no reason to believe Grub exists at all in my system. How can I install Grub, then? [07:18] need some assistance getting a t40 with the cisco card talking wpa - if anyone's around TIA [07:19] um... since changing to 9.04 xfce gets quite slow when enabling display compositing. wasn't the case with 8.10. is this a known problem? [07:20] i think they're all asleep ;) [07:20] hi hi [07:20] Mat-Cauthon: check your drivers [07:20] esp if you have an intel/sis card [07:20] There's a new x.org version with 9.04, so if your GPU manufacturer didnt make new drivers that'd explain why it's slow [07:21] * SiDi goes to shower now :O [07:22] it's an intel 4500mhd onboard thingy, actually [07:27] so how would i go about checking the driver? :p [07:43] Mat-Cauthon: Applications -> System -> Hardware Drivers [07:43] might be what you are looking for [07:43] nothing in there [07:43] and wasn't before ;) [07:46] MrNaz: fix your client please [07:47] Mat-Cauthon: intel cards are having trouble [07:47] Afaik, it's being investigated by Intel [07:47] The best is to disable composite transparency by the meanwhile [07:48] well yea, i've done that already, since it was quite annoying ^^ [07:48] so if a fix was released by intel, how would i get it? [07:49] wait until it's implemented into the kernel, which will then eventually make it to the ubuntu repo? [07:49] http://www.geekosophical.net/?p=263 [07:49] Mat-Cauthon: via automatic updates [07:49] If the drivers are fixed there will be an update [07:50] Anyways you should wait for either Intel devs / Ubuntu devs / Debian devs to have an official fix. [07:50] I can't recommand you any workaround for GPU drivers. [07:50] It's too critical :P [07:51] fair enough [07:51] i suppose i can do without transparent windows for a couple of days ;) [07:51] well, thanks for the advice [07:51] i just upgraded to 9.04 and trying to get nautilus as my default file manager. i came across an article telling me to edit menu.xml but it seems this is obsolete in the new xfce version. how can i do this? [07:52] You're welcome Mat-Cauthon [07:53] cr4z3d: i don't know if its possible to make it completely default [07:53] for instance, we use thunar-volman for the usb keys and such stuff, and this will relay on thunar [07:54] but you can add a "nautilus --no-desktop" launcher on your panel, for instance [07:54] as for the menu, edit it with alacarte (i don't guarantee the changes will make it to the xfce menu, you may then have to tweak your .desktop files in ~/.local/share/applications/) [07:58] SiDi: thanks for the information [08:03] hello!! how to set screen resolution to 1280x1024? Intel 945G Chipset. Driver "intel". Maximum - 1360x768 :( [08:05] hi div0 [08:06] SiDi, hi :) [08:06] Are you under jaunty ? [08:06] yes [08:06] then i don't know :P [08:06] oh [08:06] Jaunty Intel drivers are not very good at the moment, and i don't have any intel card, so i can't help [08:06] feel free to try #ubuntu though [08:06] !xorg [08:06] The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution [08:06] already did ;P [08:07] Check this also [08:07] SiDi, thanks :) [08:07] but i'm not sure wether it'll work or not [08:09] I tested it [08:53] in many sites i visit (github is a good example) the text is smashed and unreadable. only hovering with the mouse 'cleans' it. any ideas? [08:59] change resolution [09:05] R1coch3t: interesting. it only happends with some sites though. [09:53] <_Pete_> rehi [09:53] <_Pete_> after latest updates my favourite sysmonitor gkrellm decided to double it's width and now looks bad [09:53] <_Pete_> anyidea what might be causing that? Already tried to change fonts smaller but no effect to widht [10:09] hi all [10:09] wondering how I can autostart applications in xfce, as per "sessions" in gnome [10:21] guys, i'm using 8.10... why is it that when i minimize an application, the application doesn't show in my panel so i can click on it to restore the app? [10:24] guys, i've installed xubuntu-desktop on top of my ubuntu... i've noticed that when i minimize an application, the application icon doesn't show on the panel/taskbar so that i could just click on it to restore... how do i fix this? [10:34] how to change the number of workspaces to 4? [11:15] i have been following this guide http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2006/12/xubuntu-remote-desktop-with-vnc4server.html to install vncserver on my xubuntu machine, but when i connect to the machine i just get the screen here the mouse is a X and so forth, anyone know what could possibly be wrong? [11:18] WikiZ, it doesnt start a desktop manager session [11:19] WikiZ, if you get a normal gdm, look at the session button [11:19] session button? [11:19] there is no button at all [11:20] oh you dont even get a login screen [11:20] nope [11:20] just gray bg and the cross [11:20] WikiZ, tehn look at the gdm part again [11:21] i think it might be on this part: RemoteGreeter=/usr/lib/gdm/gdmlogin". not sure though, cant test it myself [11:21] thats already fixed [11:22] nothing wrong in that config [11:22] double checked that 100 times already [11:32] seems like there is a known bug [11:32] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/vnc4/+bug/78282 [11:53] can anyone help, i try to play audio cds with mcdp and it always says "Sorry, can't open cd-device "/dev/cdrom1" !" [11:53] doesnt matter what dev i try to start [12:25] guys, i've installed xubuntu-desktop on my ubuntu... and now i want to completely uninstall it... how do it remove it completely? [12:26] sudo apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get autoremove [12:28] how do i change the keyboard layout from UK to US? [12:28] !layout | wtv [12:28] wtv: To switch your keyboard layout on GNOME: System -> Preferences -> Keyboard (GNOME) - KDE: K -> System Settings -> Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layout (KDE) - Xfce: see https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts [12:29] !shortcuts [12:29] Keyboard shortcuts can be set in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at http://keytouch.sourceforge.net - See !Keyboard for changing layouts [12:39] TheSheep: that didn't help === keffie_jayx is now known as effie_jayx [12:40] i edited the xorg.conf file but the layout is still uk, which i want to change to us [12:41] <_Pete_> btw, what's different between uk/us layouts? [12:42] wtv: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810#X.Org%20Input%20Devices [12:42] _Pete_: some keys are in differnet places, there is a £ and no ` [12:46] if i use sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup, will it be applicable to all DEs on my system? [12:46] i have 4 [14:08] hi all [14:19] so since disk manager disapeared with 9.04, what app is able to mount my ntfs drives on boot? [14:23] nano and /etc/fstab [14:33] Hi all [14:34] Hey, Ruadh [14:35] Okay, so I goofed and installed desktop forgetting that it does not seem to allow setting a static IP. Has anyone seen improvement with Network Manager and static IPs for 9.04? [14:44] does anyone know of a music player for linux of the likes of foobar2000? === WikiZ is now known as Whisper [14:45] i have been following this guide http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2006/12/xubuntu-remote-desktop-with-vnc4server.html to install vncserver on my xubuntu machine, but when i connect to the machine i just get the screen here the mouse is a X and so forth, anyone know what could possibly be wrong? [14:47] Whisper, in your ~/.vnc/xstartup should be something which starts 'client' programs to your vnc session [14:47] window manager etc [14:48] like this: [14:48] dont have that file at [14:48] at all [14:48] #!/bin/sh [14:48] xrdb $HOME/.Xresources [14:48] x-window-manager & [14:48] !pastebin [14:48] pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [14:49] charlie-tca, is even 3 lines too much? [14:49] No, I thought it was much longer [14:49] I just filed my first Xubuntu bug [14:49] you're fine [14:49] charlie-tca noone else is talking right now, if there was several discussions going on youre right [14:49] ...I wonder what happens next [14:49] ball, what is the bug number? [14:49] tavasti well, how come i dont even have that file? [14:49] 368614 [14:50] I bugsquad member will look at it and see if you have enough information for the developers to work it. [14:50] bug 368614 [14:50] * charlie-tca kicks the robot! [14:50] Whisper, I suppose that has to be created by hand [14:50] is those lines all i need? [14:51] chmod 755 ~/.vnc/xstartup [14:51] charlie-tca: can you think of any additional information that I should include? [14:51] that should be enough [14:51] (that will help them) [14:51] I am looking now [14:52] IMHO, it would be nice if default xstartup file would be created automatically :-( [14:52] tavasti still the same [14:53] add the /var/xorg.0.log using "add a comment/attachment" line [14:53] Whisper, you have to kill your vncserver, and start new [14:53] like 'vncserver -kill :1' [14:53] also going to need the output of lspci -vvnn as a text file [14:54] its running via xinetd [14:54] tavasti restarted xinetd, still no go [14:55] ps ax | grep vnc [14:55] kill that process [14:55] i have no such process [14:55] BTW, how is that configured to run from xinetd, by what user, etc? [14:56] user whisper [14:56] I don't have a /var/xorg.0.log [14:56] do you have any log files in ~/.vnc ? [14:56] Ah, it's in /var/log [14:57] and pid file? [14:57] nope [14:57] hmm, which vnc variant you have installed? [14:57] I have tightvnc, that may behave differently [14:58] http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2006/12/xubuntu-remote-desktop-with-vnc4server.html [14:58] used that guide [14:58] vnc4server [14:59] charlie-tca: thanks a lot for that. [14:59] You are welcome [14:59] tavasti tightvnc server you say? [15:00] i guess i could try that one, know any good howto? [15:00] no, don't bother [15:00] -query localhost [15:01] It tries to connect local gdm/xdm/kdm, which ever you have installed [15:01] 1) do you have any of those running [15:02] yeah, im logged in at the computer [15:02] 2) does it service xdmcp request [15:02] in xfce [15:03] yepp [15:03] but i read something about a bug causing this in the latest version [15:04] do you have xnest installed? [15:04] try ' Xnest -query localhost :1 ' [15:05] nope, have to apt it [15:05] at least in my system I get normal, grey X, since I haven't turned xdmcp on [15:05] apt-get install xnest [15:07] tavasti you want me to run that in the vnc session or what? [15:07] No, run that locally [15:07] okay [15:07] gave me a black window === mogul218_ is now known as mogul218 [15:08] black? [15:08] yeah [15:08] had some error in terminal. gimme a sec and ill pastebin it [15:08] anyway, gdm is not serving you, configuring gdm needed [15:09] * genii suspects "no usable screens found" [15:09] gdmsetup may do the trick, or configuring /etc/gdm/* [15:10] sorry, gotta go -> [15:10] no http://pastebay.com/12308 [15:12] does anyone know of a music player for linux of the likes of foobar2000? [15:13] songbird? [15:13] Hi there, i have a little problem: it seems that my notification-area and my notes-plugin doesn't save options like "no border" or "always on top". any suggestions? [15:14] Hello to all [15:14] i've tried songbird and didn't like it... too clustered [15:15] !hi | dojero [15:15] dojero: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! [15:15] und too uncomfortable/slow i guess [15:15] I'm currently using Xubuntu 8.10 and just tried out the live CD of 9.04. Ran into some problems I thought someone here might be able to help me with. [15:15] !question | dojero [15:15] dojero: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [15:16] Sorry... [15:16] The CTRL-Escape key didn't work for invoking the menu. Is there a way to implement that? [15:18] settings->keyboard->app shortcuts->add xfce4-popup-menu on ctrl+esc [15:18] Great...what about the hotkeys on my keyboard for volume up/down/mute (FN-F10, Fn-F11, FN-f12)? [15:19] that one i'd be interested in, too - fn-left/right here, worked in 8.10, doesn't work now [15:19] though fn-up/down for setting the brightness does still work [15:19] You have to add them in the same place [15:20] charlie-tca: add them using aumix definitions? [15:20] Yes [15:21] well, that's possible, but i wonder why they don't work by default anymore, with the lovely (not obtrusive) hud and all [15:21] Hi, after having installed Jaunty, XFCE seems broken. It's acting as if the "Allow XFCE to manage this desktop" option is disabled, but I can't see the option in Settings -> Desktop to enable it. [15:21] Too many combinations to try and define them in advance. It depends on the keyboard. [15:21] Great...thanks to Mat-Cauthon and charlie-tca [15:21] Also, on the login page it says, "Would you like to make XFCE.desktop your default session? XFCE Session is not installed on this computer" [15:22] but fn-left just sends XF86AudioLowerVolume on my laptop, why doesn't it catch that? [15:23] It is not defined, is it? [15:23] The command has to be amixer set Master 2- [15:23] Or whatever your main volume is and however much lower you want it to go. [15:23] no, but neither are the shortcuts for setting the display brightness, and neither were they in 8.10 [15:24] Xfce 4.6 changed a lot of configurations things. It is not the same as 8.10 [15:25] ollie_: telling it yes allows it to set the correct options to manage the desktop now. [15:25] The last problem was weird...I went to a video site and my Syntek webcam turned on by itself...and I couldn't turn it off...it's the built in camera on my Asus laptop [15:26] 5:25:05 < charlie-tca> ollie_: telling it yes allows it to set the correct options to manage the desktop now. [15:26] I can't see the option though [15:26] In settings manager -> Desktop, it looks like the GNOME desktop settings ;c [15:26] and there is no option to allow it [15:26] it was working fine up until the jaunty update [15:27] what command would i set a shortcut for if i wanted to get the hud feedback when changing my volume? [15:27] The Syntek webcam has never gotten along with Xubuntu (or Kubuntu before that, for that matter), but I was hoping things might improve in 9.4 [15:27] It is automatic when you let it be the default session. If xfce-session is not running, it won't manage the desktop [15:28] charlie-tca: I am using xfce at the moment [15:28] the option isn't there in Desktop settings [15:29] no, it is not in 9.04 [15:29] Also, on the login page it says, "Would you like to make XFCE.desktop your default session? XFCE Session is not installed on this computer" [15:29] tell it yes [15:30] I did [15:30] just now [15:30] still not working [15:31] how do i play files with amarok? [15:34] charlie-tca: any idea? [15:35] I'm guessing that no one has any ideas about the Syntek camera problem? [15:39] ollie_: try ctrl+Alt+F2 and run xfce4-session [15:40] ok [15:42] charlie-tca: Gtk warning, cannot open display [15:45] can someone tell me where the script is that tells mono to start at login? [15:45] I am out of ideas, ollie_ [15:46] ;[ [15:46] very annoying [15:46] I tried going into GNOME a minute ago [15:46] and I can't right click the desktop [15:46] heh [15:46] but everything else appears OK [15:46] although tehre are no desktop icons on gnome either [15:46] ;c [15:47] gonna try booting into intripid again [15:47] charlie-tca, any idea why /usr/bin/mono runs whenever I log in? [15:47] nope [15:48] Something you added that needs it. [15:48] ugh. uses all the CPU for some reason. It's almost worth uninstalling Tomboy [15:48] It is not default for jaunty [15:48] yeah I had to install it for Tomboy [15:49] i can't find ANYTHING that's telling it to run [15:49] It starts then because Tomboy requires it just to run. Does Tomboy show up in the panel? [15:49] ;c [15:49] broken on this kernel too [15:49] if I do apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop, will that remove GNOME [15:49] Yeah, i have tomboy running in the panel, but Tomboy runs fine without it after I kill it in htop [15:49] but leave xfce? [15:49] -.- [15:50] ollie_: sounds like maybe the user config files might have wrong permissions [15:50] where are they located? [15:50] ~/home/USER_NAME/.??? [15:51] If you do ls -lA in a terminal, you can see who owns the files. Root should not be owner [15:52] gorgut: I don't know why it should work without mono. If Tomboy runs in the panel on startup, mono will start. [15:52] ollie@ollie-ubuntu:~$ ls -lah | grep root|more [15:52] drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4.0K 2008-04-01 11:00 .. [15:52] -rw------- 1 root root 1.0K 2008-07-09 10:52 .rnd [15:52] -rw------- 1 root root 653 2009-03-06 12:31 .Xauthority [15:52] don't think they're important? [15:53] gonna see if logging in as root makes a difference [15:53] Mark Shuttleworth answers your questions few minutes (15-17UTC) on #ubuntu-classroom. Questions on #ubuntu-classroom-chat. [15:54] owner should be ollie, not root, of all files in /home/ollie [15:54] what about in /home/ollie/.config ? [15:54] drwxr-xr-x 19 ollie ollie 4.0K 2009-04-28 15:33 .config [15:55] You can use chown -r to change owner to ollie of all your home files. That might be what is wrong. [15:56] Is your intrepid install using the same /home? [15:58] yeah [15:58] it's not actually a seperate isntall [15:58] heh [15:58] I meant the kernel intrepid was using [15:58] not that it would make much of a difference [15:59] seems something in the update broke it anyway [16:00] charlie-tca: if I remove xubuntu-desktop and reinstall it, I won't lose any data, rite? [16:00] The config files from intrepid to jaunty changed too much. They can't use a common /home/ollie/.config at least [16:01]