[00:02] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: think you could put on your archive admin hat and remove pykdeextensions? it's only for the kde3 version and debian has removed it
[00:05] <Riddell> can do
[00:06] <Riddell> done
[00:06] <JontheEchidna> rock on!
[00:07] <Riddell> for a chroot you can make a jaunty one and dist-upgrade, until deboostrap gets updated
[00:08] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: what's in kdiff3-qt ?
[00:08] <Riddell> evening Sime_
[00:08] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: apparently a qt3-only version of kdiff3
[00:10] <JontheEchidna> *Qt4
[00:11] <lex79> bug 194438
[00:11] <lex79> uhm
[00:11] <lex79> launchpad bug 194438
[00:12] <JontheEchidna> lex79: looking
[00:12] <lex79> ok
[00:16] <JontheEchidna> lex79: it's not exactly clear why you dropped the libmagick++dev build-dep
[00:17] <lex79> read changelog in description bug
[00:17] <lex79> btw build fine, libmagick is no need in this new upstreame release
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> ok, I see
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> testbuilding now
[00:21] <nixternal> grrr, xorg sucks
[00:21] <lex79> :)
[00:22] <nixternal> out of nowhere, even after reboot, xorg is using 50% cpu
[00:26] <JontheEchidna> why must pbuilder be so slow
[00:28] <blizzz> how can i suspend to ram via konsole (or dbus) without root priviliges?
[00:29]  * JontheEchidna updates plasma-widget-translatoid while he waits
[00:30] <lex79> launchpad bug 368929
[00:30] <lex79> :P
[00:42] <Riddell> this annoys me https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=190913
[00:45] <ScottK> Riddell: Instead of repacking to add messages.sh, repack to remove all the translations.
[00:45] <ScottK> Slap a dfsg on it and point complaints upstream.
[00:46] <JontheEchidna> bonus: get debian to do the same
[00:50] <JontheEchidna> come to think of it, ktorrent is already dfsg
[00:50] <Riddell> true
[00:53] <JontheEchidna> we could make language-pack-*-nonfree, lulz
[00:53] <JontheEchidna> then have update-notifier-kde offer them for install when someone installs ktorrent
[00:53] <JontheEchidna> telling the user to file all complaints with ktorrent ;P
[00:56] <lex79> JontheEchidna: in debian/control for plasmoid, the field Replaces: plasmoid-* is need in karmic?
[00:56] <JontheEchidna> lex79: yeah
[00:56] <JontheEchidna> lex79: also there are a few docbooks you need to delete for kmediafactory
[00:56] <JontheEchidna> kmediafactoryplayer and kmf_dbg_edit.sh
[00:56] <JontheEchidna> since those executables are no longer distributed
[00:57] <JontheEchidna> I can remove them for you and upload
[00:57] <lex79> JontheEchidna: ok ;)
[01:00] <JontheEchidna> lex79: which plasmoid are you doing?
[01:00] <lex79> JontheEchidna: plasma-widget-windowslist was renamed in plasma-widget-windowlist (without 's'). I must add plasma-widget-windowslist in Replace field?
[01:00] <lex79> this :)
[01:00] <JontheEchidna> lol
[01:01] <JontheEchidna> lex79: as long as we never released a plasma-widget-windowlist then we dont' need to
[01:02] <JontheEchidna> oh
[01:02] <JontheEchidna> yeah, you need to add a replace
[01:02] <lex79> Replaces: plasmoid-windowslist, plasma-widget-windowslist
[01:02] <lex79> is ok?
[01:02] <JontheEchidna> yup
[01:03] <JontheEchidna> lex79: I'll do runcommand
[01:03] <lex79> JontheEchidna: ok
[01:04] <JontheEchidna> while you're doing windowlist
[01:05] <JontheEchidna> the thinkpad plugin is also testbuilding
[01:06] <lex79> well, launchpad bug 368936
[01:07] <lex79> now I will do adjustableclock
[01:08] <JontheEchidna> I think we're on a roll :)
[01:08] <lex79> yeahhhh
[01:11] <JontheEchidna> It takes longer to set up pbuilder than to build kopete-plugin-thinklight :(
[01:11] <lex79> oh, I forgot close bug in changelog for windowlist
[01:11] <lex79> I will close manually, ok?
[01:11] <JontheEchidna> ok, that's fine
[01:11] <JontheEchidna> I could just add it for you though
[01:12] <JontheEchidna> since I haven't started testbuilding it yet
[01:12] <lex79> as you want
[01:13] <JontheEchidna> lex79: thinklight looks great, I'll upload in just a bit
[01:14] <lex79> good
[01:15] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Did you see there are patches in KDE for Kopete notification bustage?
[01:16] <JontheEchidna> actions not working?
[01:16] <JontheEchidna> or other bustage?
[01:17] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I think it was actions.
[01:17]  * ScottK looks around for the bug #
[01:17] <JontheEchidna> I think I saw those, but I haven't done anything about it yet
[01:17] <ScottK> Debian bug 525728
[01:18] <ScottK> That was the one I saw
[01:18] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I think we just need to remember it and see if it's not in 4.2.3 we see if we can grab it.
[01:18]  * JontheEchidna nods
[01:24] <lex79> launchpad bug 368943
[01:27]  * JontheEchidna is just now getting windowslist
[01:27] <lex79> JontheEchidna: windowlist, not windowSlist :D
[01:32]  * JontheEchidna wonders how bug 368916 happened...
[01:32] <JontheEchidna> lol
[01:32] <ScottK> Got the 4.2.2 backport done just in time.  The first autosync run just started.
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> Nice
[01:37] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: So we can upload your patch (and we should, but it'll be a week before it gets built now.
[01:37] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: BTW, debdiff?
[01:38] <JontheEchidna> for kopete notifications? I haven't actually done that yet
[01:38] <ScottK> No, the one for the notifications leaking through the screensaver
[01:39] <JontheEchidna> oh, that
[01:43] <JontheEchidna> lex79: plasma-widget-windowlist uploaded, thanks for your contribution to Kubuntu
[01:45] <lex79> thank you
[01:58] <JontheEchidna> lex79: adjustableclock uploaded
[01:58] <lex79> I will do lastmoid later
[01:59] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I think http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdelibs/ubuntu/revision/46 is of interest
[02:04]  * ScottK was hoping for a nice debdiff
[02:12] <JontheEchidna> I could make a patch for backports, I suppose...
[02:21] <ScottK> Remember I'm old and forgetful and can't quite be trusted with such responsibility ....
[02:24] <JontheEchidna> just about done
[02:32] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/160351/
[02:35]  * JontheEchidna grabs yakuake and merged
[02:38] <lex79> launchpad bug 368979
[02:44] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: You're quick.  Got to the bluetooth guy faster than i did.
[02:44] <ScottK> Probably nicer too.
[02:45] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[02:47] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Did you test build against intrepid-backports?
[02:48] <JontheEchidna> I didn't
[02:49] <ScottK> Urgh.
[02:53] <lex79> launchpad bug 368984
[03:00] <ScottK> OK.  Building then.  Off to do laundry ...
[03:08] <JontheEchidna> lex79: drop2ftp uploaded, thanks
[03:09] <lex79> JontheEchidna: lastmoid?
[03:09]  * JontheEchidna hasn't seen a lastmoid bug yet
[03:10] <lex79> JontheEchidna: Launchpad bug 368979
[03:11] <JontheEchidna> sillly launchpad
[03:12] <lex79> ehehe
[03:22] <a|wen> ScottK: http://awen.dk/packages/kde4libs_4.2.2-0ubuntu1~intrepid2.debdiff
[03:23] <ScottK> a|wen: Is that the same as the one JontheEchidna gave me already?
[03:23] <ScottK> Yeah, it is ....
[03:23] <a|wen> ScottK: yeah; and i send it to you ~12h before ;)
[03:23]  * a|wen thinks he got lost in a backlog, he
[03:24] <a|wen> i didn't get to click all the links while reading the log yet
[03:25] <JontheEchidna> maybe ScottK confused me for you? I though it strange that I  forgot that I was asked to fix a kde4libs bug....
[03:25] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Probably.  a|wen: sorry about that.
[03:26] <ScottK> So many helpful people.  Easy for old folks to get confused.
[03:26] <a|wen> he, i think so ... well, as long as it gets fixed :)
[03:27] <JontheEchidna> lex79: lastmoid uploaded
[03:27] <lex79> I saw in ML ;)
[03:28]  * a|wen wonders why he has both grab-merge and grab-merge.sh
[03:34] <nixternal> hrmm, how did I install kubuntu-restricted-extras, but it didn't grab firefox or sun-java6-plugin?
[03:38] <ScottK> Firefox isn't a restricted extra.
[03:38] <a|wen> and neither is sun-java6-plugin
[03:39] <ScottK> So that would be how.
[03:50] <vorian> yo
[03:50] <JontheEchidna> \o
[03:50]  * a|wen waves to vorian
[03:51] <vorian> hola
[03:51]  * a|wen updates basket
[04:46] <ScottK> a|wen and JontheEchidna: kde4libs for intrepid-backports is uploaded.  Thanks.
[04:46] <a|wen> yay :)
[05:08]  * a|wen wonders when it is going to be built
[05:11] <ScottK> Wonder when it will get accepted first.  LP is being difficult
[05:12] <a|wen> he, that is a pre-requisite for building
[05:14] <ScottK> It's not like there's a rush as backports get built after all development stuff.
[05:14] <ScottK> Riddell: Would you please accept the kde4libs in intrepid-backports.  LP isn't doing it for me.
[05:15] <a|wen> then it wont get built anytime soon
[05:15] <ScottK> Yep
[05:16] <nhandler> a|wen: To answer your question from earlier, grab-merge is now in ubuntu-dev-tools. grab-merge.sh you probably downloaded from either MoM or DaD
[05:17] <ScottK> Good night all.
[05:17] <a|wen> nhandler: jup, i figured that grab-merge had actually been added to a real package now
[05:17] <a|wen> nn ScottK
[05:18] <nhandler> a|wen: They were waiting to add it to u-d-t until MoM and DaD merged because prior to that, there were 2 different grab-merge.sh scripts
[05:18]  * nhandler -> bed
[05:19] <a|wen> makes sense
[05:19] <a|wen> nn nhandler
[06:31] <apachelogger> clearly there is a bug in the dontzap stuff
[06:32] <a|wen> apachelogger: how so?
[06:34] <apachelogger> a|wen: say you change the display size ... then the kcm will apply that setting and ask whether you want to keep the new size or revert to the previous one ... if you click apply all is good ... but if you click revert kdesudo will popup for dontzap
[06:34] <apachelogger> a|wen: I suppose you are going to fix this now? :D
[06:34] <apachelogger> it should be using polkit anywway
[06:34] <apachelogger> IMHO
[06:35] <a|wen> that is a strange/fun bug :)
[06:42] <apachelogger> a|wen: aye, on the other hand your nm package is quite an improvement on my machine
[06:42] <apachelogger> now connect automagically works even
[06:42] <apachelogger> though!!!
[06:42] <apachelogger> my kded4 crashed
[06:43] <apachelogger> was like: upgrade -> logout -> delete all configs -> login -> try to connect -> kded4 goes down
[06:43] <apachelogger> after that it worked, after restarted it worked as well, so we should be looking into that
[06:44] <a|wen> there has indeed been great improvement; but it still has some rough edges ... which seems to move around a bit
[06:44] <apachelogger> well, we need to take a revision and squash the regression edges so it can go to updates
[06:45] <apachelogger> a|wen: we probably need a set of testcases to ensure the most critical stuff didn't regress
[06:47] <a|wen> apachelogger: very true ... i'm kind of an off person for that, as i can test exactly wired networking and that's it
[06:48] <apachelogger> we need loads of tests on different machcines as well
[06:48] <apachelogger> + wired networking is critical stuff IMHO :D
[06:48] <apachelogger> so, who knows how to use qa.ubuntu.com?
[06:50]  * a|wen has no idea how that one works
[06:51] <a|wen> well, currently wired network does not work at all for me using the plasmoid ... it totally ignores my network card
[06:52] <apachelogger> a|wen: and the nu snapshot doesn't improve that
[06:52] <a|wen> no change at all
[06:52] <apachelogger> maybe it's a network-manager issue all along? did you try with nm-applet?
[06:53] <a|wen> i suspect it is ... haven't looked at it much yet
[07:03] <a|wen> exactly the same for nm-applet
[07:06] <apachelogger> you probably should report a bug against nm then :D
[07:08] <a|wen> might be on purpose as i have the eth0 with ppp+ipv6 tunnel overlays ... nm-applet reports it as unmanaged
[07:09] <a|wen> that will be a test for another day
[07:09] <freeflying> C/win 25
[07:11] <a|wen> my network = encapsulation hell
[07:13] <eagles0513875> morning
[07:17] <eagles0513875> a|wen: hows things this am
[07:17] <a|wen> well, they turned pm, heh
[07:57] <eagles0513875> morning dpm
[07:57] <dpm> good morning eagles0513875
[08:01] <eagles0513875> dpm: translation into maltese looks promising
[08:02] <dpm> eagles0513875: I'm glad, did you have a good response from the maltese mailing lists? Did you try to contact the KDE maltese translation team as well?
[08:03] <eagles0513875> dpm: should have one today
[08:03] <eagles0513875> but i talked to a friend who was kinda working on it he has an ubuntu group of facebook which he made me kubuntu specialist lol and i posted on there too so hopefully i get a response soon but it looks super promising
[08:04] <dpm> eagles0513875: I haven't had the chance to answer your e-mail on ubuntu-translators, but I think we already talked about the most important things on #ubuntu-translators the other day
[08:04] <eagles0513875> ya we did
[08:05] <dpm> sounds good
[08:06] <eagles0513875> also uploaded a number of knetwork bugs upstream last night
[08:14] <eagles0513875> dpm: can you take a look at something for me because i dont know how to respond to it
[08:14] <eagles0513875> not to mention i dont understand the bug
[08:14] <dpm> I can try, what is it?
[08:14] <Mamarok> dpm: he didn't asnwer the second part of your question....
[08:14] <eagles0513875> bug 144756
[08:15] <eagles0513875> i posted that upstream last night and i got a response to file a wish report do i just copy what was in the bug that i filed upstream to the wishlist?
[08:18] <dpm> eagles0513875: I think you should ask someone more knowledgeable on KDE/Kubuntu development than me, maybe a dev
[08:19] <eagles0513875> ok dpm ill ask later cuz seems like everyone is asleep
[08:19] <dpm> but as far as I can tell, the Kubuntu bug already links to the upstream bug
[08:20] <eagles0513875> dpm: take a look at the upstream bug there was a response to put it on upstream wishlist
[08:20] <eagles0513875> do i take wahts in the upstream bug and post it to the wishlist then relink the url to the wishlist bug and change it to wish list
[08:26] <nixternal> hrmm, I don't think that bug should have gone upstream to be honest...seeing as the two apps mentioned in the report are not KDE apps, and that the proxy settings in KDE are for KIO enabled apps only, I think those apps should get the report if anything
[08:26] <nixternal> I scoured fd.o and there isn't a damn thing on proxy stuff
[08:26] <eagles0513875> nixternal: that was under the https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+upstreamreport knetwork
[08:26] <nixternal> note that this is the same action in pretty much everything our there, whether it is windows, mac, or linux, the system's proxy settings may/may not effect 3rd party applications
[08:27] <nixternal> it shouldn't have been, but it looks like it was tagged that way
[08:27] <eagles0513875> gotcha what do i do re putting that on the upstream wishlist
[08:27] <apachelogger> should
[08:27] <nixternal> that isn't an upstream issue though
[08:27] <apachelogger> nixternal: there is no environment with only kde apps
[08:27] <nixternal> right, and you get that same result on windows, os x, gnome, whatever
[08:28] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: i put it upstream and it was request to be put on wish list do i put what i put in the upstream bug on the wish list and relink it on the proper bug
[08:28] <nixternal> if the app isn't written to utilize the system's proxy settings, then it isn't going to work as one would want it to
[08:28] <eagles0513875> let me know what you guys determine
[08:28] <nixternal> kde can't fix the issue for adept or apt, it isn't their issue to begin with
[08:28] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: no, read what dario requested
[08:29] <apachelogger> nixternal: I am more thinking of a freedesktop level here
[08:29] <nixternal> you can wishlist it, but that just means in 10 years from now, you can go point it out to your grand children that you really did contribute to free software
[08:29] <apachelogger> why would my kde proxy settings not apply to firefox?
[08:29] <apachelogger> or openoffice
[08:29] <nixternal> apachelogger: it would be great, and if it were to ever happen, linux would be the first
[08:29] <eagles0513875> what would you guys like me to do
[08:29] <nixternal> but even on the freedesktop level, that means we need to share a common proxy system, and then have every application that utilizes proxy, to be rewritten in order to support it
[08:29] <eagles0513875> wishlist it
[08:30] <nixternal> apachelogger: because firefox and oo.o have their own proxy implementations
[08:30] <apachelogger> nixternal: there are existing frameworks for poxies, so you'd just need to modify the frameworks
[08:30] <apachelogger> nixternal: well, those were just two examples
[08:30] <nixternal> adept and apt
[08:30] <apachelogger> first stage would be to get kde and gnome apps share the proxy setting
[08:31] <nixternal> same deal, though I don't know why one would write a kde based app that utilizes a proxy without doing it the kde way
[08:31] <eagles0513875> then that would have to go upstream both ways
[08:31] <apachelogger> nixternal: that is not what I said
[08:31] <apachelogger> they should share the setting
[08:31] <apachelogger> not the implementation
[08:31] <apachelogger> kde just would need to read the fd.o config rather than the kde one
[08:31] <apachelogger> same probably applies for gnome
[08:31] <nixternal> right, so you mean that firefox and oo.o should become even more bloatware so they can support every proxy imp out there
[08:32] <apachelogger> dude
[08:32] <apachelogger> you need sleep
[08:32] <apachelogger> nixternal: it's not about the implementation
[08:32] <nixternal> until a single proxy imp is written, which I find it hard to believe it ever will be, there isn't much you can do
[08:32]  * eagles0513875 holds my tongue bout Oo
[08:32] <apachelogger> you need a common place to store the setting
[08:32] <apachelogger> that is all
[08:32] <apachelogger> KDE stores the setting somewhere, GNOME stores the setting somewhere, Firefox stores the setting somewhere....
[08:32] <nixternal> right, kde has that common place, but unless the app is utilizing the proxy kio, it doesn't get the settings
[08:33] <eagles0513875> nixternal: what hes saying have something universal for storing the settings for both gnome and kde programs
[08:33] <nixternal> right, I know what he is saying...it is a wishlist bug, it is something that needs to go to fd.o before it goes to kde or gnome, imho
[08:34] <apachelogger> nixternal: it needs to go there via KDE, if we suggest that it is going to get no attention at all
[08:34] <eagles0513875> well the launchpad bug number is  144756
[08:34] <apachelogger> like that inprecision in the desktop file spec that JontheEchidna filed a bug about half a year ago or something
[08:35] <nixternal> right, and you file it as a wishlist in kde and gnome, it isn't going anywhere either
[08:35] <nixternal> unless you get some solid backing behind it
[08:35] <apachelogger> ah well
[08:35] <nixternal> I know, pass it on to jcastro :)  he can wrangle up all of the upstream devs :)
[08:35]  * apachelogger thinks nixternal should write a spec at uds and get someone to sponsor development :P
[08:36]  * nixternal could care less as he doesn't use a proxy nor ever has used a proxy
[08:36] <nixternal> I always had non-proxy backdoors somewhere
[08:36] <nixternal> it is all about scratching my itches now :p
[08:36]  * eagles0513875 apologizes to room for starting a fight
[08:36] <nixternal> pfft, that wasn't a fight :)
[08:37] <eagles0513875> nixternal: lol let him do that lol
[08:37] <eagles0513875> im just doing what i was given to do
[08:38]  * eagles0513875 thinks dolphin needs to be stripped from karmic
[08:38] <nixternal> go figure...firefox stores proxy crap in their sql files
[08:38] <eagles0513875> dolphin is a pita when it comes to accessing remote shares super slow
[08:39] <nixternal> I am actually starting to like dolphin...as I only use it to when viewing images
[08:39] <apachelogger> nixternal: so they need 5 lines of code to read it from the fd.o location on $linux :P
[08:39] <nixternal> I was just thinking that same thing apachelogger :)
[08:39] <apachelogger> though, I think they will go for interfacing with gnome's proxy magic and just use that
[08:39] <eagles0513875> nixternal: try access a samba mounted share thats mounted using smbfs
[08:39] <apachelogger> like they always do :D
[08:39] <nixternal> or, better yet, creating a proxy aggregator
[08:39] <apachelogger> wooohooo \o/
[08:40] <nixternal> hahaha, that is how it goes
[08:40] <nixternal> so, I got my first taste of pygtk programming, and I have to say, I don't think it could be any easier
[08:40] <apachelogger> nixternal: bug 345776
[08:41] <apachelogger> do you think kdesudo pre-depending kdebase-runtime would solve that?
[08:41] <nixternal> no, because wouldn't kdesudo then fail trying to overwrite that same file?
[08:42] <apachelogger> no, kdesudo does alter it
[08:42] <apachelogger> move kdesu to kdesu.orig or something
[08:42] <nixternal> ya, that would work
[08:42] <apachelogger> cool, now I just need a minion to fix that
[08:42] <nixternal> though isn't that the RPM way?
[08:42] <nixternal> ie. a hack :)
[08:43] <apachelogger> nixternal: aye
[08:43] <nixternal> hrmm, though how else could you get around that?
[08:43] <eagles0513875> a|wen: seems like you getting killer response in regards to your plasma network manager widget :)
[08:43] <apachelogger> nixternal: package kdesu in an own package
[08:43] <apachelogger> make runtime depend on kdesu|kdesudo
[08:44] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: whats the difference between kdesu and kdesudo
[08:44] <nixternal> there's a good idea
[08:44] <nixternal> one works :)
[08:44] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: kdesu's sudo support is rather broken
[08:44] <eagles0513875> so it was replaced with kdesudo
[08:44] <apachelogger> nixternal: still that would cause a diff to debian ... we should talk to master tonio I suppose
[08:44] <nixternal> apachelogger: in that case, why even install it in the first place then?
[08:44] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: aye
[08:45] <apachelogger> nixternal: kdesu?
[08:45] <nixternal> or better yet, fix kdesu :p
[08:45] <nixternal> apachelogger: ya
[08:45] <apachelogger> it works perfectly fine for su and mostly for sudo, it just ain't got no password caching and all the loves
[08:45] <eagles0513875> i still cant get over how a beta of an irc program made it into jaunty. dunno what the beta version has that the stable version didnt
[08:45] <nixternal> pretty soon we will have so many of the same type of wheel, that our choice will be clouded
[08:46] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: beta?
[08:46]  * apachelogger can't follow
[08:46] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: kvirc
[08:46] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: stable was horribly horribly broken due to KDE 3
[08:46] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: gotcha
[08:47] <eagles0513875> well im gonna figure out at some point how to package a newer snapshot
[08:47] <apachelogger> or use a decent irc client :P
[08:47] <eagles0513875> i like kvirc lol
[08:47] <eagles0513875> i like being able to put up a theme of a porn star in the background :P
[08:47] <nixternal> it reminds me to much of mIRC
[08:47]  * apachelogger shudders
[08:47] <nixternal> irssi ftw!
[08:47] <eagles0513875> its different
[08:48] <eagles0513875> lol apachelogger btw thanks for packaging 2.1 of amarok
[08:48] <apachelogger> mhhhh ... irssi
[08:48] <apachelogger> if only it was written in ruby :P
[08:48] <nixternal> actually, kvirc in jaunty isn't even beta
[08:48] <nixternal> svn snapshot, better yet :)
[08:48] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: was only kind of a PITA :D
[08:48] <eagles0513875> well hell
[08:48] <apachelogger> nixternal: while I was amarok's release dude I had a saying ... was something like "releases are eventually just svn snapshots"
[08:49] <eagles0513875> it just sigseved on me
[08:49] <imbrando_> apachelogger: limechat == ruby ftw :)
[08:49] <apachelogger> ruby \o/
[08:49] <nixternal> imbrandon: go to bed already!
[08:49] <nixternal> and stop drinking bud light dude!
[08:49] <imbrandon> nixternal: i napped , i'm good :)
[08:49] <apachelogger> rubycocoa
[08:49] <nixternal> ruby, eww
[08:49] <apachelogger> ok, that name is just tooo uberawesome
[08:49] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: who should i poke re that bug regarding proxy
[08:50] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: jonny
[08:50] <nixternal> lol
[08:50] <imbrandon> apachelogger: 02:49 <Freenode> CTCP-reply VERSION from imbrandon : LimeChat for OSX 0.20
[08:50] <imbrandon> :)
[08:50] <imbrandon> on rubycoca
[08:51] <nixternal> I wonder if DHH uses LimeChat
[08:51] <imbrandon> dhh ?
[08:51] <nixternal> ya, the guy who created ruby on fails
[08:51] <nixternal> oh, I mean rails
[08:51] <imbrandon> ahh
[08:51] <nixternal> my new drinking buddy to be exact
[08:51] <nixternal> I was just on an open source panel with him a few weeks back
[08:51] <imbrandon> cool
[08:52] <nixternal> people wanted us to either a) fight, or b) arm wrestle
[08:52] <imbrandon> haha
[08:52] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: the echidna
[08:52] <nixternal> quite funny...nobody likes him because of his attitude, but damn we are similar, and he is cool to drink with
[08:52]  * apachelogger notes that nixternal doesn't work half the time because he is always out drinking
[08:52] <nixternal> plus he is rich and buys the beer :p
[08:52] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: of course
[08:52] <eagles0513875> lol
[08:52] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: ping
[08:52]  * nixternal notes he doesn't work anytime because he is unemployed
[08:52]  * eagles0513875 multitasks
[08:53] <apachelogger> nixternal: hm, loads of ruby I suppose
[08:53]  * eagles0513875 studies and helps post bugs upstream
[08:53] <apachelogger> nixternal: get a job over at canonical's
[08:53]  * emonkey loves nixternal because he loves beer and is willing to pay for it ... :)
[08:53] <nixternal> i can be the gourmet chef
[08:53] <apachelogger> chief drinking dude
[08:53] <imbrandon> nixternal: or come work for my company :)
[08:53] <nixternal> mmm beer
[08:53] <nixternal> I can't leave Chicago, though I always say I want to...it is just way to awesome of a city
[08:54]  * eagles0513875 wonders isnt this OT
[08:54] <nixternal> I have lived many other places, but this is sweet home chicago :)
[08:54] <imbrandon> eagles0513875: anytime imbrandon speaks its OT, you'll learn :)
[08:54] <nixternal> imbrandon: if I can work from home, then I am down
[08:54] <nixternal> hahaha
[08:55] <nixternal> imbrandon: lets go back, way back!
[08:55] <nixternal> https://edge.launchpad.net/~cutiecoder
[08:55] <imbrandon> i did get amarok 2.1 to compile on osx today though, now *working* i dunno
[08:55] <nixternal> muhahahaha
[08:55] <aplg> hm
[08:55]  * eagles0513875 hugs all devs for best distro around
[08:55] <imbrandon> zOMGBBQ
[08:55] <nixternal> hahahahahaha
[08:55] <imbrandon> what ever happened to her ?
[08:55] <nixternal> how many people in here can say that had a stalker on IRC?
[08:55] <aplg> my japanese could use some improvements
[08:55] <nixternal> I have no clue dude
[08:56] <aplg> nixternal: Nightrose and I had
[08:56] <nixternal> damn, guess I am no longer alone
[08:56] <aplg> actually the same person at the same time which was kinda creepy
[08:56] <nixternal> aplg: did they send dirty pictures?
[08:56] <nixternal> hahahah
[08:56] <emonkey> lol
[08:56] <eagles0513875> O-O
[08:56]  * eagles0513875 goes back to studying
[08:56] <aplg> nixternal: Nightrose?
[08:56] <nixternal> no
[08:56] <aplg> sure, she usually sends some twice a week
[08:56] <nixternal> your stalker
[08:56] <nixternal> hahahahahahaha
[08:56] <imbrandon> aplg: lol
[08:56] <nixternal> you ass
[08:56]  * Nightrose kicks aplg hard :D
[08:56] <nixternal> rofl
[08:57] <aplg> jeez
[08:57] <nixternal> I was waiting for that
[08:57] <Nightrose> you're not supposed to tell!
[08:57] <emonkey> *g* hi Nightrose
[08:57] <aplg> there goes the spanking again
[08:57] <Nightrose> heya emonkey  :)
[08:57] <imbrandon> heya Nightrose
[08:57] <Nightrose> hi imbrandon
[08:57] <Nightrose> and everyone else
[08:57] <eagles0513875> hell  i always knew i could kill a channel but never knew i could wake one up
[08:57] <emonkey> Nightrose: how's life in the north? sadly rainy here ...
[08:57] <eagles0513875> first with nixternal and apachelogger re a bug lol
[08:57] <imbrandon> lol
[08:57] <eagles0513875> then the rest cascading on its own
[08:58] <Nightrose> emonkey: good good - should get my ass up and ready for university
[08:58] <Nightrose> sleeeeeepy
[08:58] <eagles0513875> hehehehe Nightrose
[08:58] <aplg> <= sick
[08:58] <eagles0513875> thank god today is my study day with no lectures
[08:58] <emonkey> Nightrose: ou yeah, should be there since 8 ... ^^
[08:58] <eagles0513875> <---has exams starting 11th may
[08:58] <aplg> ~twitter swine flu
[08:58] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help twitter'
[08:58] <aplg> ~twitter update swine flu
[08:58] <kubotu> you must identify using 'twitter identify [username] [password]'
[08:58] <aplg> oh dear
[08:58] <nixternal> hahaha
[08:58] <imbrandon> hahahaha
[08:58] <eagles0513875> lol
[08:58] <nixternal> make sure you msg the bot first
[08:58] <eagles0513875> ~twitter swine flu
[08:58] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help twitter'
[08:59] <nixternal> unlike someone in here who just let everyone know their business
[08:59] <eagles0513875> ~twitter update swine flu
[08:59] <kubotu> you must identify using 'twitter identify [username] [password]'
[08:59] <apachelogger> I better use identica
[08:59] <eagles0513875> nixternal: ? who you talking bout
[08:59] <apachelogger> or I could port that darn plugin to identica
[08:59] <nixternal> I used to sit behind this guy in class, and would watch him log into IRC, and then I would hop on to IRC, use his username and password, and then kick him for ghosting
[08:59] <apachelogger> then again my ruby is in worse shape than my japanese
[08:59] <nixternal> it was so much fun to watch him scratch his head for 3 hours in class
[08:59]  * eagles0513875 cheers at apachelogger for trying to bring the room back on topic
[08:59] <emonkey> Nightrose, aplg, long ago since we skyped ... would be cool,to do that again soonly
[09:00] <apachelogger> nixternal: you are an evil person
[09:00] <apachelogger> emonkey: sure
[09:00] <nixternal> ~twitter update @apachelogger has swine flue
[09:00] <kubotu> status updated
[09:00] <nixternal> hahaha, I can't spell
[09:00] <nixternal> shit, I spelt it wrong and it worked
[09:00] <emonkey> lol
[09:00] <imbrandon> lol
[09:00] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: random thought that im not sure would go to well but using teamspeak in conjunction with this channel for devs
[09:00] <apachelogger> oh my
[09:01] <apachelogger> mumble > teamspeak
[09:01] <nixternal> ~twitter update FLU FLU FLU no flue like blue cuz I am gonna sue
[09:01] <eagles0513875> mumble != teamspeak
[09:01] <kubotu> could not update status
[09:01] <nixternal> lol
[09:01] <eagles0513875> mumble = opensource i have tried it on windows
[09:01] <nixternal> that bot sucks
[09:01] <apachelogger> kubotu: you suck!
[09:01] <nixternal> ~twitter update FLU FLU FLU no flue like blue cuz I am gonna sue
[09:01] <kubotu> status updated
[09:02] <apachelogger> emonkey: so, how are the drugs?
[09:02] <nixternal> let me guess, kubotu is built on ruby ;p
[09:02] <Nightrose> nixternal: damn... - that page is scary
[09:02] <nixternal> mmm drugs
[09:02] <nixternal> Nightrose: what page?
[09:02] <apachelogger> .ch got loads of drugs
[09:02] <Nightrose> cutiecoder
[09:02] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: mumble would be kool to have as well for this channel in conjunction with irc
[09:02] <nixternal> oh, my stalker's launchpad page :p
[09:02] <nixternal> err, x-stalker
[09:02] <imbrandon> Nightrose: hahah she was even more scary on IRC
[09:02] <emonkey> apachelogger: no drugs before the Hockey match this afternoon ...
[09:02] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: doesn't work out
[09:02] <Nightrose> imbrandon: Oo
[09:02] <apachelogger> it creates a closed society
[09:02]  * nixternal still thinks imbrandon gave her my phone number
[09:02] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: would be too chaotic
[09:03] <imbrandon> hahahaha i did, shhh
[09:03] <apachelogger> we had that for some time in amarok
[09:03] <apachelogger> those that ain't have no equitment would use IRC
[09:03] <nixternal> dude, she just showed up at o'hare airport and called me to come pick her up
[09:03] <apachelogger> the others not, but follow IRC
[09:03] <apachelogger> all in all leading to one big mess
[09:03] <nixternal> I was like "I am in mexico right now"
[09:03] <emonkey> apachelogger: speak2text engine ... ^^
[09:03] <apachelogger> nixternal: swine flu?
[09:03] <apachelogger> Oo
[09:03] <Nightrose> haha nixternal
[09:03] <eagles0513875> emonkey: :) me like sometimes too lazy to type
[09:03] <Nightrose> damn
[09:03] <Nightrose> rofl apachelogger
[09:04] <nixternal> my old man has the swine flu
[09:04] <apachelogger> emonkey: it is $broken
[09:04] <apachelogger> I tried it the other day
[09:04] <nixternal> he has been sick since he got back from his trip
[09:04] <apachelogger> a) the ktts kcm is crashing all the time
[09:04] <imbrandon> not only that you can talk and code at the same time with skype :)
[09:04] <apachelogger> b) default setup is horribly
[09:04] <emonkey> oh not nice
[09:04] <eagles0513875> nixternal: you being serious bro
[09:04] <apachelogger> c) quality is horrible
[09:04] <apachelogger> d) getting all that stuff to work takes about an hour and loads of binary-only apps
[09:04] <nixternal> nah, it isn't swin flu, but it is some sort of flu
[09:05] <eagles0513875> :( i would have him go to hospital to make sure
[09:05] <apachelogger> imbrandon: that is clearly impossible for men
[09:05]  * emonkey should go on cleaning the flat, new girlfriend is visiting tomorrow ...
[09:05] <nixternal> OMG! I actually witnessed people buying the medical masks today...to bad they don't cover the eyes and ears, which are easy points of entry for viri
[09:05] <apachelogger> imbrandon: we just ain't got the multitasking
[09:05] <nixternal> lol, new gf is visiting
[09:05] <apachelogger> rofl
[09:05] <imbrandon> apachelogger: lol
[09:05] <nixternal> emonkey: leave it a mess, if she leaves it wasn't meant to be
[09:05]  * eagles0513875 iis jealous that emonkey has a gf and im single
[09:05] <nixternal> that is how we work packages on REVU
[09:06] <apachelogger> *nod*
[09:06] <emonkey> nixternal: *g* yeah you're right, but it's a good motivation to do it
[09:06]  * imbrandon is glad to be single again
[09:06] <nixternal> shoot, I never cleaned the house for my x-wife...probably the reason for the x
[09:07]  * eagles0513875 hates the single life
[09:07]  * emonkey was happy to be single till I met her
[09:07] <apachelogger> hm
[09:07] <bokey> hey eagles0513875
[09:07]  * imbrandon is holding out for seele to be his 3rd ex-wife ( just playin seele , dont kick me :P , lol )
[09:07] <eagles0513875> hey bokey
[09:07] <nixternal> funny thing is, KDE 3 pre-alpha killed my marriage...you know how much time I spent on Slackware building it?
[09:08] <eagles0513875> lol
[09:08] <imbrandon> lol
[09:08] <nixternal> it would take me well over a full day
[09:08] <apachelogger> emonkey: so she caused an overall depression? ... not sure that is exactly good relationship material :P
[09:08] <imbrandon> and you just HAd to watch it compile :)
[09:08] <apachelogger> imbrandon: of course it ain't had gotten those fancy progress indicators, so he wouldn't know when it's going to finish
[09:09] <imbrandon> heh
[09:09] <apachelogger> uh
[09:09] <apachelogger> \o/
[09:09] <apachelogger> kde-nightly is on a roll
[09:09] <apachelogger> kinda
[09:09] <emonkey> apachelogger: rofl, trust me she's great, big sense of humor, smart and sweet. I'm incredibly happy!
[09:09]  * eagles0513875 thinks that me packaging new kvirc snapshot from svn is gonnna be hell
[09:09] <nixternal> imbrandon: of course...I was building 2.0 stable on Debian, and building trunk on Slackware...multitasking
[09:10]  * eagles0513875 smacks emonkey around a bit after making me jealous
[09:10] <apachelogger> emonkey: sounds like Nightrose
[09:10] <apachelogger> well, except for the humor of course
[09:10] <imbrandon> haha
[09:10]  * apachelogger waits for spanking
[09:10] <imbrandon> apachelogger: run
[09:10] <Nightrose> awwwwwwwwwww
[09:10]  * Nightrose spanks and hugs apachelogger 
[09:10] <emonkey> apachelogger: she's taller ;)
[09:10] <apachelogger> harrr
[09:10] <Nightrose> :D
[09:11] <apachelogger> emonkey: it's not about the size
[09:11] <eagles0513875> how tall is she emonkey
[09:11] <eagles0513875> im 5'11
[09:11] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: depends on what size we talking bout :P
[09:11] <emonkey> She's a bit smaller then I and I'm 173cm
[09:11] <apachelogger> "decorate your body with a huge instrument"
[09:11] <Nightrose> emonkey: impossible!!!!1111eleven
[09:11] <Nightrose> apachelogger: welllllllll :D
[09:11] <apachelogger> alphorn advertisement I got earlier
[09:12] <nixternal> slackware was a dual p3 1ghz machine, and the debian box was the lower end athlon, forgot the name, 900mhz
[09:12] <Nightrose> rofl
[09:12] <eagles0513875> emonkey: how much is that in feet
[09:12] <emonkey> eagles0513875: no idea
[09:12] <Nightrose> eagles0513875: google knows
[09:12] <apachelogger> aye
[09:12] <eagles0513875> nixternal: im kinda pissed cuz i got windows on my monster quad machine
[09:12] <apachelogger> google
[09:12] <imbrandon> nixternal:  thunderbird
[09:12] <eagles0513875> damn me and gaming
[09:12] <nixternal> thunderbird? I thought that was the good one
[09:12] <eagles0513875> now if you guys want a rig go for an intel i7 proc
[09:13] <eagles0513875> i got the core 2 quad before the i7s came out the q9550
[09:13] <eagles0513875> i went overboard on my rig building
[09:13] <eagles0513875> 8gb of ddr2 800mhz ram q9550 core 2 quad with 12mb l2
[09:14] <nixternal> ya, the t-bird was a good cpu, I had a 1ghz axia (still remember the chip model) that I had overclocked up to 1.8ghz (which is still one of the tops in the overclockers database)
[09:14] <emonkey> Nightrose: I insist it's possible, trust me. :)
[09:14]  * apachelogger ain't got no clue what all that means but it certainly sounds fancy :P
[09:14] <eagles0513875> nixternal: lol nice
[09:14] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: what i was saying those are the specs of my rig my rpocesser and ram
[09:14]  * imbrandon runs a leveno t61 , a imac g4 , a macbook pro 15.4 in ( typing on now ) and a BYO rig ( core 2 quad , 8gb ram, 1TB HDD, etc etc etc )
[09:14] <eagles0513875> would love to be packaging and compiling on here but my downside is im a gamer
[09:15] <emonkey> imbrandon: I've got an t61p ... nice notebook
[09:15] <imbrandon> eagles0513875: dual boot it
[09:15] <apachelogger> hm
[09:15] <apachelogger> that reminds me
[09:15] <imbrandon> emonkey: yea i loved it untill i got my mbpro
[09:15] <eagles0513875> i also have 2 laptops one my older athlon 64 3200 2ghz is running ubuntu server gonna setup some other stuff other the shoutcast on it and this tablet has turion x2 and running kubuntu jaunty 64bit
[09:15] <apachelogger> hm, rick got lost it seems
[09:15] <eagles0513875> imbrandon: i would but i would wanna backup my data before i do anything
[09:15] <eagles0513875> imbrandon: almost have a full 500gb hdd
[09:16] <apachelogger> mirroring > backup
[09:16] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: dont have any other hard drive atm
[09:16] <eagles0513875> if i backup i backup to external drive
[09:16] <imbrandon> eagles0513875: preachin to the chior, i have tons of pr0n^W data too, prob about 3TB of actual use
[09:16] <emonkey> ou I really should go on cleaning ... afk, nice day kubuntu heroes
[09:16] <apachelogger> kdegraphics is building \o/
[09:16] <apachelogger> neon script exploded \o/
[09:17] <nixternal> imbrandon: duron
[09:17] <imbrandon> but it all sits on a home "server" :)
[09:17] <nixternal> that's what it was
[09:17] <imbrandon> nixternal: yea duron's
[09:17] <imbrandon> :)
[09:17] <eagles0513875> imbrandon: lol
[09:17] <nixternal> imbrandon: that machine is still my print server
[09:17] <eagles0513875> imbrandon: 1tb drive are not that expensive so its all good
[09:17] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: need anything tested?
[09:17] <nixternal> the only time it has ever gone down was for an upgrade or power failure
[09:17] <eagles0513875> i think we drove hobbsee crazy
[09:18] <nixternal> as a matter of fact, it is running dapper and I haven't touched it in over 2 years
[09:18] <eagles0513875> anyone beat the world record for up time with linux which si 18 yrs
[09:18] <imbrandon> eagles0513875: yea my server has 8 ( striped and mirrored ) 1TB drives, for 4TB of useable space
[09:18] <eagles0513875> holy s***
[09:18] <eagles0513875> your nuts imbrandon
[09:18] <eagles0513875> imbrandon: if i do anything im gonna get 4 1tb drives
[09:18] <nixternal> ok, time for bed
[09:18] <nixternal> g'nite
[09:18] <imbrandon> nah, i just rely on my data alot :)
[09:18] <eagles0513875> what si the best raid to use though
[09:18] <eagles0513875> night nixternal
[09:18] <imbrandon> gnight nix
[09:19] <eagles0513875> imbrandon: i heard though with anything over 1tb there are issues with linux and raid
[09:19] <eagles0513875> at least that si what i have seen in clustering environment
[09:19] <eagles0513875> !packaging
[09:19] <imbrandon> eagles0513875: raid 5 is what i would recommend
[09:19] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: here goes nothign with packaging an updated kvirc snapshot
[09:19] <eagles0513875> imbrandon: k
[09:19] <imbrandon> eagles0513875: nah, maybe software, but anyone software raiding that much data isnt all there anyhow
[09:20] <imbrandon> at work i have much larger arrays than my home 4tb
[09:20] <imbrandon> with no issues
[09:20] <eagles0513875> imbrandon: i have raid on my motherboard
[09:20] <eagles0513875> interesting imbrandon could be something in the clustering relam
[09:21] <imbrandon> eagles0513875: make sure its true hardware raid and not a "hybrid" most mb's have
[09:21] <imbrandon> that require a driver
[09:21] <eagles0513875> imbrandon: the motherboard i have is an asus p5n-d
[09:21] <eagles0513875> which i think it does :(
[09:21] <imbrandon> if your os dosent see it as one drive at partitioning time ( with no drivers loaded ) then its not true hardware raid
[09:21] <eagles0513875> this is vista im on
[09:22] <eagles0513875> lol
[09:22] <eagles0513875> only god knows what that will do
[09:22] <imbrandon> any os
[09:22] <eagles0513875> welll right now  dont have time to screw around with anything
[09:22] <eagles0513875> i have exams
[09:22] <imbrandon> :)
[09:22] <imbrandon> speaking of, i have some real work to do too, and some packin i need to finish up on the new apt-mirror
[09:23]  * imbrandon egst back to work
[09:23] <eagles0513875> imbrandon:
[09:23] <imbrandon> gets*
[09:23] <eagles0513875> imbrandon:  is it easy to setup apt-mirror
[09:23] <eagles0513875> was gonna set one up on my laptop server lol
[09:23] <imbrandon> sure ( i'm kinda bias though as i'm one of 2 upstream devs for it )
[09:23] <eagles0513875> lol
[09:23] <eagles0513875> well now i know now who i can turn to for help
[09:24] <imbrandon> seriously though, if you can edit a sources.list file then you can setup a mirror
[09:24] <eagles0513875> i need to download the rest of the packages i had bout 50gb of stuff to download lol
[09:24] <eagles0513875> imbrandon: nice
[09:24] <imbrandon> its pretty simple
[09:24] <eagles0513875> bout another 20gb to download
[09:25] <imbrandon> you can guine pig 0.4.6 out of svn if ya want :)
[09:25] <eagles0513875> ?
[09:26] <eagles0513875> im avoiding pigs right now lest i get swine flu
[09:26] <eagles0513875> hahah
[09:26] <imbrandon> lol
[09:32]  * eagles0513875 trying to figure out where to start packaging
[09:33] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: sry to interrupt what you are doing would pbuilder be the best to use for compiling from svn source
[09:40] <eagles0513875> wb dpm
[09:42] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: if you mean compiling a package, then yes, pbuilder is generally a good choice for any kind of package building
[09:44] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: ok :) thanks will follow that how to
[09:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 345776
[10:11] <apachelogger> hm
[10:11] <apachelogger> that is actually fun
[10:14] <apachelogger> nixternal: I am wondering how kdesudo from hardy can actually upgrade to jaunty, seing as there was a path change in the dpkg-diversion and jaunty's kdesudo only treats install calls but not upgrade calls in postinst
[10:16] <apachelogger> nixternal: oh another fun option to get rid of the diversion: make kdesu a link to alternatives/kdesu and install the actual binary with some other name
[10:46] <Tonio_> hi there
[10:48] <apachelogger> hey Tonio_
[10:48] <apachelogger> Tonio_: earlier we were talkign a bit about kdesudo and were wondering why you use dpkg-divert... any special reason for that?
[10:49] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yeah, just to avoid to patch kde for all desktop files that go root
[10:49] <apachelogger> well
[10:49] <apachelogger> there are other more reliable options
[10:49] <Tonio_> apachelogger: maybe there is another way
[10:49] <apachelogger> bug bug 345776
[10:49] <apachelogger> Tonio_: actually I can think of 2
[10:49] <Tonio_> apachelogger: huml that shouldn't happen...
[10:50] <apachelogger> a) move kdesu to a seperate package and make -runtime depend kdesudo|kdesu
[10:50] <Tonio_> apachelogger: how can dpkg-divert fail on that bug ?
[10:50] <apachelogger> Tonio_: I am not sure
[10:50] <apachelogger> actually I was wondering how upgrading from 8.04 is working at all
[10:51] <Tonio_> apachelogger: hum....... weird....
[10:51] <Tonio_> apachelogger: that's probably due to some manuall dpkg-divert usage
[10:51] <apachelogger> since the diversion path changed (due to kde4) and the preinst doesn't handle upgrade calls ... so in theory it should not divert
[10:51] <Tonio_> apachelogger: if you manually remove the divert and kdesudo is still installed, then the upgrade might cause a conflict indeed
[10:52] <apachelogger> well, nixternal and I think that pre-depends: kdebase-runtime should take care of this particular issue
[10:52] <apachelogger> I am going to conduct some upgrade testing though, since this all appears rather odd
[10:52] <Tonio_> apachelogger: another way :create an alternative, then patch kde to use the alternative
[10:52] <apachelogger> yep
[10:52] <Tonio_> apachelogger: that's a lot more work, but would avoids any problem I suspect
[10:52] <apachelogger> well, not a lot more work
[10:53] <Tonio_> apachelogger: kde patches to maintain is always bad :)
[10:53] <apachelogger> aye
[10:53] <Tonio_> espacially for something as sensitive
[10:53] <apachelogger> that is why creating a seperate package might be the way to go
[10:53] <Tonio_> apachelogger: and a conflict between the 2 packages then .
[10:53] <Tonio_> ?
[10:53] <apachelogger> yep
[10:53] <Tonio_> yeah, that makes sense, indeed
[10:54] <Tonio_> so that I just have to link, that's not bad
[10:54] <apachelogger> we could also carry this change to debian since they also have kdesudo and kdesu and kdesudo target to provide the very same functionality
[10:54] <Tonio_> yupyupyup
[10:54] <Tonio_> apachelogger: another thing I've been working on recently is synchronize kde and firefox mimetypes
[10:54] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I wrote a little binary that dumps kde prefs
[10:55]  * apachelogger thinks that something should be done upstream though :D
[10:55] <apachelogger> gksu can, why shouldn't kdesu
[10:55] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I'm currently writting a firefox extension that parses the output and then resets the prefs for each mimetype
[10:55] <Tonio_> seems to work pretty well :)
[10:55] <apachelogger> hm
[10:55] <apachelogger> wouldn't that drain a lot of resource?
[10:56] <Tonio_> apachelogger: not that much since the kde binary runs 1/2 sec at startup
[10:56] <Tonio_> and then the extension only resets the mimetypes if the dump content changed
[10:56] <apachelogger> that is quite a lot IMHO
[10:57] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yes it is
[10:57] <Tonio_> apachelogger: but there is no better way, and mozilla will *never* do that kde integration
[10:57] <Tonio_> apachelogger: they don't give a sh*t at linux anyway
[10:57] <apachelogger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DefaultApplicationsFirefox
[10:57] <Tonio_> apachelogger: and this way to do things has one very advantage : it won't require to patch anything
[10:58] <apachelogger> Tonio_: they don't have to do it for KDE
[10:58] <apachelogger> they have to do it for XDG
[10:58] <apachelogger> JeffWaugh: Red Hat have patches, which may be upstream in the 1.5 branch, to integrate with the xdg-mime standard (instead of mailcap). On top of that, we may want to do some mailcap/xdg-mime synchronisation, so that other apps (such as mutt) can take advantage of the xdg-mime information.
[10:58] <Tonio_> apachelogger: redhat patches don't work as expected
[10:58] <apachelogger> how so?
[10:58] <Tonio_> apachelogger: you have no idea how crap is it in firefox :)
[10:59] <apachelogger> firefox itself is :P
[10:59] <Tonio_> apachelogger: cause firefox deals with 3 different ways
[10:59] <Tonio_> mailcap, rdf files, mimetypes, and in some cases protocols
[10:59] <Tonio_> depending the dialog in use
[10:59] <Tonio_> the only way to make it to work without any upstream patch is to write in the rdf
[11:00] <Tonio_> apachelogger: as I said : without a patch
[11:00] <Tonio_> apachelogger: sure the sources can be patched or xdg-open or so, but that's not my goal
[11:00] <apachelogger> yeah, that only can be short-term though
[11:00] <Riddell> 3/top
[11:00] <Riddell> dohg
[11:00] <Riddell> doh
[11:00] <Tonio_> hey Riddell
[11:00] <apachelogger> long-term solution is that firefox actually does desktop integration in a more useful sense than using gnome icons
[11:00] <Tonio_> apachelogger: it doesn't even respect the mailcap standard :)
[11:01] <Tonio_> apachelogger: we have qtcurve for that :)
[11:01] <apachelogger> just saying since they advertised 3.0 as integrating with your desktop :P
[11:02] <Tonio_> apachelogger: on windows, probably :)
[11:02] <apachelogger> nah, also on linux through gtk :P
[11:02] <Tonio_> apachelogger: it worked better with 2 afaik
[11:03] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I think they integrate with gconf
[11:03] <Tonio_> apachelogger: but really, upstream stuff to deal with kde is something they will never do
[11:03] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I don't claim what I'm doing is good
[11:03] <apachelogger> never say never :P
[11:03] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I know some guys at mozilla :) they just don't care at linux
[11:03] <apachelogger> Tonio_: it's a workaround, so by definition it can't be good :P
[11:04] <Tonio_> apachelogger: they're just interested in market share, and breaking IE monopolistic position
[11:04] <Tonio_> apachelogger: hum, I wouldn't call that a workarround
[11:04] <Tonio_> apachelogger: let's call that "integration" :)
[11:05] <apachelogger> integration would be making firefox use xdg's mime database
[11:05] <Tonio_> apachelogger: but it's not as crap as forcing xdg-open, really :)
[11:05] <apachelogger> TRUE
[11:05] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yeah, I agree on that point
[11:05] <apachelogger> that again would be a workaround as well
[11:05] <Tonio_> apachelogger: but also is xdg limited at some points
[11:05] <Tonio_> apachelogger: what if you have gnome and kde and want different "prefered" application for each desktop ?
[11:05] <apachelogger> the idea is that you don't want
[11:06] <apachelogger> besides, there is no real usecase to that, because unless you actually set a preferred application it will autodetermine it, won't it?
[11:07] <Tonio_> apachelogger: well, workarround or not, lots of people are concerned by this, so if I can come up with something that "just works", without any crap source patches, I'm happy ;)
[11:07] <apachelogger> drop firefox from the archive :P
[11:07] <apachelogger> or fork firefox... :P
[11:07] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yes it will, but there is no way to just say "prefer kde apps for kde desktop and gnome apps for gnome by default"
[11:07] <Tonio_> apachelogger: it should be able to use Categories for that
[11:08] <Tonio_> there is a KDE and a Gnome one....
[11:08] <apachelogger> Tonio_: I am quite sure it does do that
[11:08] <Tonio_> apachelogger: not afaik.... maybe I'm wrong :)
[11:08] <Tonio_> apachelogger: anyway, I have to go :)
[11:08] <apachelogger> just install ubuntu-desktop and check :P
[11:08] <apachelogger> nautlius always uses totem here, while dolphin always goes with dragon
[11:08] <Tonio_> apachelogger: we'll discuss this kdesudo during the UDS, cause you're right, we have to make this packaging nicer
[11:08] <apachelogger> aye aye
[11:09] <Tonio_> apachelogger: my wrong then :) you got me :)
[11:29] <Riddell> the lack of debian support on kde bug 190913 is surprising
[11:33] <eagles0513875> Riddell: wouldnt that be more of a kde upstream bug
[12:24] <eagles0513875> anyone seen jon or he still afk
[12:48] <apachelogger> hm
[12:49] <apachelogger> hm
[12:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am really not sure that complaint is valid though
[12:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: just thinking ... .pot is source of the .po + .pot is markup code = .pot is source code ... but script generates .pot = script generates source code ... using that theory one would have to ship qt-designer etc. within the source of apps using .ui files
[12:52] <apachelogger> though I find the removal rather crude and unnecessary (speaking as former release dude)
[12:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: designer comes under "anything that is normally distributed with the operating system"
[12:57] <Riddell> it's a separate tool which needs to be available
[12:57] <Riddell> build scripts though clearly need to be included
[12:58] <Riddell> and GPL terminology is secondary to just having the complete sources
[13:03] <apachelogger> *nod*
[13:05] <eagles0513875> question the bugs im sending upstream if its a wishlist i post it as a wishlist not a bug right
[13:11] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks for taking care of kde4libs in intrepid-backports.
[13:11] <ScottK> Looks like it'll get built sometime in the next several weeks
[13:19] <Riddell> poke NCommander to raise the build priority?
[13:19] <Riddell> a|wen: nasty problem with new network plasmoid http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/nm2.png
[13:20] <Riddell> after a suspend/resume
[13:24] <Riddell> I wonder what this says http://www.dominik-scholz.de/2009/04/21/kubuntu-904-interview-mit-jonathan-riddell/
[13:26] <Nightrose> Riddell: says that kubuntu 9.04 was released and that you answered some questions
[13:26] <Nightrose> don't remember him interviewqing you?  ;-)
[13:27] <Riddell> I don't remember my German being that good anyway
[13:27] <Nightrose> haha
[13:39] <apachelogger> m
[13:39] <apachelogger> hm
[13:39] <apachelogger> that is interesting
[13:39] <apachelogger> Nightrose: why does the release script fetch the po directories rather than the files themselfs?
[13:39] <Nightrose> apachelogger: *lol* you seriously ask me? :D
[13:39] <apachelogger> ah, well, you know, I prefer telling you rather than documenting my code :P
[13:40] <Nightrose> hihi
[13:41] <apachelogger> maybe because of stuff like amarokcollectionscanner_qt.po
[13:41] <apachelogger> hums
[13:41] <apachelogger> though I think it originated with the addition of kipi
[13:42] <apachelogger> since that one got like a million po files
[13:43] <freinhard> is there a need for kipi-plugins to depend on libgpod4 and not on libgpod4-nogtk?
[13:44] <apachelogger> maybe, maybe not
[13:44] <apachelogger> it certainly would prevent kipi from entering the CD though
[13:44] <apachelogger> freinhard: feel free to test with -nogtk
[13:44] <apachelogger> that said
[13:44] <ScottK> freinhard: According to people who tested in during the Jaunty development cycle there was.
[13:44] <apachelogger> Nightrose: did you people fix amarok building with nogtk yet?
[13:44] <apachelogger> ohhhhh!
[13:45] <apachelogger> freinhard, ScottK: IIRC for image transfer you need gtk
[13:45] <Nightrose> apachelogger: no idea sorry
[13:45] <ScottK> Right.  That was it.
[13:45] <apachelogger> that's also why our stock amarok can't do that
[13:45] <apachelogger> Nightrose: should be fixed before next release or neversfelde will have to commit suicide because he can't use ipod with all shiny 2.1 pre-releases :D
[13:46] <apachelogger> Nightrose: on that release part: maybe it would make sense to run svn ls on the dir and invoke svn co for every file that matches the regexp
[13:47] <apachelogger> though I am not sure that would be much faster since getting connected to SVN is what takes longest anyway
[13:48] <apachelogger> so it would probably slow down fetching of kipi while giving a very minor advantage to amarok
[13:51] <Nightrose> *nod*
[13:51] <apachelogger> need to profile that
[13:51] <Nightrose> apachelogger: is there a bug or something I can poke people with?
[13:52] <apachelogger> Nightrose: yeah, I think there is a missing include
[13:52] <apachelogger> just try to build beta1 with libgpod-nogtk-dev on ubuntu
[13:52] <Nightrose> so something to poke xevix about?
[14:08]  * neversfelde is clever, because he has two computers with different Amarok versions installed :)
[14:08] <neversfelde> so no suicide here^^
[14:14] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I think I did already, dunno if he saw that, and whether he fixed it though
[14:14] <apachelogger> oh
[14:14] <apachelogger> ah
[14:14] <apachelogger> hrrr
[14:15] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I just profiled the whole sequence for svn co $DIR vs. svn export $FILES
[14:15] <apachelogger> the latter is for amarok (i.e. 2 files) at least as slow as the former
[14:15] <apachelogger> at times even slower
[14:15] <eagles0513875> there is a nasty bug in the shutdown sequence
[14:16] <apachelogger> on average I'd say it takes about 1ms longer
[14:16] <eagles0513875> it keeps getting cancelled by some weird jibberish letter
[14:16] <apachelogger> now I don't want to imagine how that looks for kipi
[14:16]  * Riddell spots txwikinger_work breaking umbrello
[14:16]  * txwikinger_work is not breaking it, he is finding things that are broken :p
[14:17]  * eagles0513875 cant shutdown his laptop
[14:17] <apachelogger> ehh
[14:17] <apachelogger> Nightrose: 1s not ms ;-)
[14:17]  * Riddell gets down to 21 unread e-mails
[14:17]  * txwikinger_work can change that Riddell ;)
[14:17] <eagles0513875> Riddell: think the acipd fixed the issue bout it just shutting down ones pc but not its broken the shutdown for some reason something keeps cancelling the logout
[14:20] <apachelogger> .....
[14:20] <apachelogger> ..........
[14:20] <apachelogger> oh dear
[14:20] <apachelogger> rofl
[14:21] <eagles0513875> something keeps canceling the shutdown sequence not sure if its related to the new acpid fix that was released
[14:21] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ok, I'll stick with directory checkout ... kipis testcase looks like this: average out of 5 trials with current code: 9.409 seconds per run, first trial with modified code: 53.229 seconds ;-)
[14:21] <eagles0513875> it was in jaunty before that but was intermittent apachelogger
[14:21] <apachelogger> I am writing uber fast code without knowing it \o/
[14:22] <eagles0513875> lol
[14:24] <apachelogger> neversfelde: is choqok in core KDE nowadays?
[14:26] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I did not look into it since 0.5 release, but I do not think so
[14:26]  * txwikinger_work thinks he should start fixing bugs in umbrello
[14:26] <apachelogger> neversfelde: go find out :P
[14:26]  * apachelogger gets another cup of tea
[14:26] <neversfelde> on my way
[14:27] <neversfelde> ah indeed, extragear/network/choqok
[14:27]  * txwikinger_work needs more hours in the day
[14:27]  * neversfelde sends txwikinger_work 5 minutes
[14:27] <Riddell> txwikinger_work: there's plenty to be fixed
[14:27] <txwikinger_work> neversfelde: *hours* not minutes ;)
[14:28] <neversfelde> nothing left ;)
[14:28] <txwikinger_work> Riddell: I know
[14:28] <txwikinger_work> Those things start in interfere in my work
[14:29] <txwikinger_work> umbrello is still the best tool I have found so far in this area
[14:30] <Riddell> shame it has no developers
[14:31] <Riddell> although we have a season of KDE guy starting
[14:31]  * txwikinger_work wonders if that is a subtle poke to take over 
[14:31]  * apachelogger thinks neversfelde would be a perfect minion
[14:31]  * txwikinger_work things neversfelde has more important stuff to do
[14:32] <txwikinger_work> s/things/thinks/
[14:32]  * neversfelde thinks that too :)
[14:32] <apachelogger> pfft
[14:33] <apachelogger> neversfelde: then at least go find some minion
[14:33] <neversfelde> and I will get back to that things now
[14:33] <neversfelde> apachelogger: :) I will kee pmy eyes open
[14:34] <apachelogger> even when you are sleeping? :O
[14:34] <neversfelde> no sleep for me :/
[14:34] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i poke Alejandro again - let's see what he has to say
[14:34] <Nightrose> and *lol* @ tests
[14:34] <apachelogger> wooohooo my l10nstat code is flawed \o/
[14:34] <apachelogger> {"zh_TW"=>NaN, "uk"=>NaN, "nn"=>NaN, "ka"=>NaN, "it"=>NaN, "ja"=>NaN, "hi"=>NaN, "fr"=>NaN, "de"=>NaN, "sk"=>NaN, "km"=>NaN, "sv"=>NaN, "ru"=>NaN,"es"=>NaN, "be"=>NaN, "pt_BR"=>NaN, "pt"=>NaN, "ga"=>NaN, "et"=>NaN, "gl"=>NaN, "eu"=>NaN, "cs"=>NaN, "br"=>NaN, "bg"=>NaN, "pl"=>NaN, "pa"=>NaN, "ms"=>NaN, "ar"=>NaN, "ro"=>NaN, "nds"=>NaN, "el"=>NaN, "da"=>NaN, "zh_CN"=>NaN, "tr"=>NaN, "nl"=>NaN, "lt"=>NaN, "th"=>NaN, "oc"=>NaN, "nb
[14:34] <apachelogger>  "hne"=>NaN, "lv"=>NaN, "en_GB"=>NaN}
[14:34] <Nightrose> neversfelde: that's the spirit!
[14:34] <apachelogger> looks broken, doesn't it
[14:34] <apachelogger> muahaha
[14:35] <Nightrose> Oo
[14:37] <apachelogger> oh
[14:37] <apachelogger> I think I know why
[15:00] <eagles0513875> hey guys im back
[15:02] <eagles0513875> Riddell: did you see my message earlier bout shutdown getting cancelled
[15:02] <eagles0513875> not sure if its a bug with teh acpid or something the acpid fix messed up somewhere else down the line
[15:25]  * Riddell hugs rdieter 
[15:26] <Riddell> eagles0513875: hmm
[15:26] <eagles0513875> Riddell: prior to install the updated acpid it was doing it
[15:26] <eagles0513875> but not constantly it does it both for shutdown and logout restart seems unaffected by the change
[15:26] <eagles0513875> could the new acpid have messed something up in the shutdown script
[15:28] <eagles0513875> Riddell: thing is i cant tell ya whats cancelling it its a bunch of symbols
[15:28] <a|wen> Riddell: that looks like a bit to many networks in the widget after a suspend/resume ... i should look at some upstreaming of the issues found
[15:29] <eagles0513875> hi a|wen can you take a look at a bug i posted upstream maybe you can make heads or tails of it
[15:30] <a|wen> eagles0513875: i'm on my way out of the door again in 10 minutes ... so will not be before later
[15:30] <eagles0513875> ok just ping me when ya get back
[15:30] <eagles0513875> a|wen: question for upstream bugs anything thats wishlisted gets filed as a wishlist correct
[15:30] <apachelogger> hm
[15:30] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I am close
[15:32] <a|wen> eagles0513875: well; mostly yes ... in the cases where it makes sense of upstreaming it
[15:32] <eagles0513875> jon gave me a link to a list of bugs for upstream
[15:33] <eagles0513875> now can i also post the non kde bugs upstream to help out or would i have to take that to what channel or is it dependent on the bug
[15:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: good news, all KDE trunk stuff I built so far is actually building on all 3 main arches
[15:34] <a|wen> eagles0513875: take the list as a rough "needs upstreaming" list ... and i apply some commen sense when using at it
[15:34] <eagles0513875> ok a|wen
[15:34] <a|wen> eagles0513875: the list is only accurate as far as the tagging etc. is done correctly
[15:34] <eagles0513875> ok
[15:35] <eagles0513875> what happens then if there is no upstream contact should i try find the upstream contact to fill in the gaps on the particular page
[15:40] <a|wen> that's a possibility
[15:43]  * a|wen is out again for now
[15:49] <freeflying>  why kde4 heavily depends on pulseaudio?
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> it doesnt' depend on pulseaudio at all
[15:50] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: i have a bug i would like you to take a look at which i posted upstream last night
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> which one?
[15:51] <apachelogger> well
[15:51] <freeflying> JontheEchidna: when I try to purge pulseaudio, seems all kde pacakge will be purged either
[15:51] <apachelogger> it depends on the pulseaudio library
[15:51] <apachelogger> due to phonon having support for pulse
[15:51] <apachelogger> I am actually wondering if we could move that to a seperate package
[15:51] <eagles0513875> well my i have 2 audio channels analog and digital when the analog crashes i end up falling back to pulseaudio and it works since the digital doesnt work.
[15:52] <Nightrose> apachelogger: yes please - we get so many people with problems with PA
[15:52] <Nightrose> not funny
[15:52] <Nightrose> getting rid of it would be grand
[15:52] <Riddell> wiki.kubuntu.org down?
[15:52] <apachelogger> that is unrelated
[15:52] <Riddell> oh no, working now
[15:52] <apachelogger> Nightrose: we only pull in the lib
[15:52] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: when you get a chance can you look at bug 144756 the upstream portion of it
[15:52] <apachelogger> and that will have no effect without the daemon
[15:52] <Nightrose> hmmmok
[15:52] <apachelogger> and the daemon doesn't get pulled in unless you install ubuntu
[15:52] <eagles0513875> Riddell: was getting something of the sort with launchpad but i managed to get on it
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> bugs.kde.org is still broken for me
[15:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: nixternal thinks we should poke jcastro with it, since we need to get gnome and kde at the same time to work on that
[15:53] <eagles0513875> O_O
[15:53] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: im on it just fine
[15:54] <apachelogger> if we submit it to fd.o it will just get lost as everything that is not coming from @kde or @gnome
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> I found the bug on a mailing list though
[15:55]  * apachelogger was unclear on the upstreaming triage
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> eagles0513875: what about his response?
[15:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: please check backlog for information on that bug
[15:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: upstream rejects because of rather unprecise description ;-)
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> oh
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> right
[15:55] <apachelogger> thinks that implementing env var setting is a good target though
[15:55] <apachelogger> which indeed it is
[15:58] <eagles0513875> what is worse on that bug the person is now using a different distro :(
[15:59] <eagles0513875> no wait that is a different bug
[15:59] <apachelogger> does anyone get bug 364888?
[16:00] <apachelogger> ligature is font dependent isn't it?
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I have no clue what that's talking about
[16:00] <apachelogger> or are they actually chars themself?
[16:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 351038 seems upstreamable, doesn't it?
[16:02] <apachelogger> the bt includes just what I think is the source of the crash
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> looks like a kdelibs bug
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> and yeah, definitely upstreamable
[16:03] <eagles0513875> ill make note of the bug number
[16:03] <apachelogger> ok
[16:03]  * apachelogger triages
[16:04]  * apachelogger thinks eagles0513875 needs to become minion of the lord bug triagers
[16:04] <eagles0513875> lol
[16:04] <eagles0513875> im minion of upstreamers and testers actually
[16:05] <eagles0513875> ill upstream the bug right now
[16:06] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: thats interesting i searched for the bug but its not showing that you triaged it
[16:08] <apachelogger> oh dear
[16:08] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I would appreciate that you don't move bugs while I am commenting
[16:08] <apachelogger> and I would also appreciated if malone would not throw a stupid error at me but just tell me that the bug was moved while I was writing a comment
[16:08] <apachelogger> man
[16:10] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: now it is triaged
[16:11] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: well its almost upstremed anyway lol
[16:11] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: soz, I moved it before you said you were triaging
[16:11] <apachelogger> I was not triaged :P
[16:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: wells, if you poke jcastro about the proxy issue ... also ask him to get someone take a look at bug 217654
[16:12] <eagles0513875> well that was nicely orchestarted 3 way lol
[16:13] <eagles0513875> that has been posted upstream
[16:14] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: please check if bug 342553 is somewhere in a similar version on bko
[16:15] <seele> Riddell: ergh, the packagekit update in your ppa doesnt solve the forking problem afterall
[16:15] <apachelogger> I am not sure how to trace that issue and having 2 people complain about it seems a bit worrying
[16:15] <eagles0513875> you lost me  apachelogger
[16:15] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: just try if you can find a similar bug over at bugs.kde.org
[16:16] <eagles0513875> ahhh ok
[16:16] <Riddell> seele: meh, really, you still get the problem?
[16:16] <eagles0513875> launch pad i think has died on me in konqueror
[16:17] <seele> Riddell: yeah, just did a few updates :(
[16:19] <Riddell> humph
[16:20] <Riddell> seele: glatzor has a rewrite of the code which will fix it but I don't think it'll be SRU-able
[16:20] <Riddell> seele: are you going disk usage with some other app?
[16:21] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: doesnt seem like that bug has been reported would you like me to report upstream
[16:22]  * apachelogger doesn't know what this is about but in general thinks that much more critical stuff should be considered for SRU even if very intrusive 
[16:23] <seele> Riddell: was i using the disk with some other app while updater was running? no
[16:23] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: well, we can give it a try
[16:24] <apachelogger> oh
[16:24] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: hold on
[16:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 342553
[16:24] <apachelogger> what do you think?
[16:24] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: ok standing by
[16:24] <apachelogger> compiz?
[16:24] <apachelogger> especially note last comment
[16:24] <JontheEchidna> It has caused similar problems in the past
[16:24] <apachelogger> having it affect that many apps seems more than coincidental
[16:25] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: no upstreaming for now
[16:25]  * apachelogger requests testing with metacity
[16:25] <eagles0513875> if you look earlier in the reoprt could it be the app itself confusing maximizing with full screen
[16:25] <eagles0513875> you asking me to do that apachelogger
[16:26]  * JontheEchidna testbuilds a merged Qt 4.5.1
[16:28] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: well, no, the app just stores its size
[16:28] <apachelogger> compiz possibly doesn't like this
[16:28] <eagles0513875> ahhh ok
[16:28] <apachelogger> either the size can't be handled and compiz assumes it is in fact fullscreen fullscreen (which would be windodeco-less) or there is some rather weird bug within compiz
[16:29] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: you're merging qt4?
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: yeah
[16:30] <apachelogger> oh dear
[16:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: good luck with that :P
[16:32] <eagles0513875> hey apachelogger just wondering if you ahve this issue but wiht amarok after a period of time listening to a stream it stops playing entierly like cuts off. does that happen to you
[16:33] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: and actually if I could get somebody to testbuild it that'd be great; it'll take around 5 hours to testbuild here
[16:33] <eagles0513875> lol JontheEchidna ill do it if you can walk me through how to do it
[16:34] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: can do
[16:34] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: cool, I'll post a bug and attach the diffs
[16:34]  * eagles0513875 wishes his quad core desktop had linux and not winblows
[16:34] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: it's a new upstream version so I don't think the normal current-to-merged diffs are very useful
[16:34] <JontheEchidna> I was thinking debian-to-merged
[16:35] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: that's useful yes
[16:35] <JontheEchidna> and maybe a diff -Nru of the debian dirs of our packages
[16:35] <Riddell> yep
[16:35] <JontheEchidna> otherwise the diff would be 42 MB, I tested
[16:35] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: no, but I don't listen to streams
[16:35] <eagles0513875> ok thanks anyway apachelogger
[16:36] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: also, why not install kubloato on your desktop alongside winblows?
[16:36] <eagles0513875> i have too much data i dont wanna risk loosing it all
[16:36] <eagles0513875> i wont duel boot till i can back up my data
[16:37] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: i have a secret to make it kubuntu not kubloato
[16:37] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: wubi doesn't reparition your hardrive
[16:38] <eagles0513875> wubi after installing even if i tell it to boot it takes me back to windows for some reason
[16:38] <apachelogger> buying a seperate harddrive for kubloato is also an option
[16:38] <apachelogger> those thingies are way to cheap anyway
[16:38] <apachelogger> if only SSDs were as well :)
[16:38] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: ya might get a terabyte backup drive
[16:38] <eagles0513875> right now almost 500gb of stuff full most probably with games
[16:40] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: your tempting me to install using wubi again but then how does one know or look for linux apps that wubi installed
[16:40] <apachelogger> wubi installs Kubuntu inside your windows partition
[16:40] <apachelogger> at least that is how I understand it
[16:40] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: where do i look for the apps in program files or what not
[16:40] <apachelogger> so you should get a Kubuntu option at the vista bootloader
[16:40] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: there ain't any
[16:41] <eagles0513875> O_O
[16:41] <apachelogger> read what I wrote :P
[16:41] <eagles0513875> i get it but the funny thing is i get it after uninstalling wubi
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: bug 369329
[16:41] <apachelogger> wubi is not installing apps on windows it is installing kubuntu inside your windows partition
[16:41] <apachelogger> those are 2 different things
[16:41] <eagles0513875> ill try when i get home
[16:41]  * eagles0513875 enjoys watching bug ping pong
[16:43] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: bug 360430 needs upstreaming
[16:44] <eagles0513875> on it
[16:44] <apachelogger> though
[16:44] <eagles0513875> wtf is up with launch pad it refused my connection when trying to view the bug
[16:44] <apachelogger> it seems kdelibsish
[16:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: can you take a look at that backtrace?
[16:46] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: can you make note of that bug for me to do later cuz i soon have to leave to head home
[16:46] <eagles0513875> it might be of interest to all launchpad is having some issues atm with connectivity  which they might have identified and working to fix
[16:46] <apachelogger> or might not :P
[16:46] <eagles0513875> lol
[16:47] <eagles0513875> well wehn i get on later just let me know if you have an bugs that need upstreaming i gotta head home in 10 min
[16:47]  * eagles0513875 thinks it would be nice if launch pad had a to do list
[16:48] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: there are a billion bugs that need upstreaming
[16:48] <apachelogger> for most of them you will have to read through the comments and find the essential data though
[16:48] <eagles0513875> im working on https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+upstreamreport
[16:49] <eagles0513875> thats what im working on
[16:51] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=kde&orderby=-importance&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_supervisor=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.component-empty-marker=1&field.status_upstream=pending_bugwatch&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_cve.used=&field.tag=&field
[16:51] <apachelogger> .tags_combinator=ANY&field.has_no_package.used=&search=Search
[16:51] <eagles0513875> ?
[16:52] <apachelogger> kde related bug reports that need upstreaming
[16:52] <eagles0513875> well i will work on them
[16:52] <eagles0513875> :)
[16:52]  * eagles0513875 is the upstream minion
[16:52]  * eagles0513875 upstream minion and tester
[16:53] <apachelogger> upstream minion == important minion
[16:53] <eagles0513875> i know
[16:53] <eagles0513875> and if anyone has anything for testing let me know
[16:56] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: im heading home will continue upstreaming when i get back
[17:00] <EagleScreen> i nreported some of these bugs
[17:00] <EagleScreen> if a bug is still present in KDE3 but is fixed in KDE4, should it be marked as fixed?
[17:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: kdelibs or Qt, or some combination
[17:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: thx
[17:04] <apachelogger> EagleScreen: if it doesn't qualify for SRU if we don't want to SRU ... best is to let a dev look at it
[17:05] <EagleScreen> !SRU
[17:05] <EagleScreen> the only distro with KDE3 is hardy
[17:14] <tsimpson> !upstreambugs
[17:23] <Riddell> -- mark --
[17:29] <a|wen> sebas: ping
[18:14] <a|wen> oh my firefox doesn't like being updated behind it's back
[18:15] <a|wen> whereas doing a major kde-upgrade desn't seem to bother konqueror much :)
[18:19] <smarter> it does sometimes
[18:20] <smarter> especially if you restart it without restarting KDE first
[18:21] <a|wen> keep it running, then it usually goes good
[18:21] <a|wen> firefox kind of explodes ... gave me an assertion failure and disintegrated into 3 windows
[18:22] <Sput> konqueror likes losing it's http capability :)
[18:22] <Sput> always happens when KDE's version number changes
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> yeah, konq died on my when I upgraded to intrepid
[18:23] <a|wen> from kde3 to kde4 is forgiven i think ;)
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> kiconloader also was trying its best to choose kde3 icons from hicolor since the kde4 ones moved
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> things got weird
[18:25] <a|wen> your desktop can end up looking rather strange ... but i'm normally able to carry on working
[18:34] <eagles0513875> a|wen: ping
[18:34] <a|wen> eagles0513875: pong
[18:34] <eagles0513875> a|wen: think we have a serious problem wiht the network manager im unable to connect to my wifi
[18:34] <a|wen> WPA?
[18:34] <eagles0513875> its stuck on trying to connect to it and it also reverted to asking for the password twice
[18:34] <eagles0513875> ya
[18:34] <eagles0513875> wpa-psk
[18:35] <eagles0513875> what is even more messed up is it was working just fine this am
[18:35] <eagles0513875> i was connectede
[18:35] <a|wen> eagles0513875: sounds like you confirmed a bug on the mailing-list there
[18:35] <eagles0513875> i think i have it on one of my subscribed bugs on lp if im not mistaken
[18:36] <eagles0513875> a|wen: let me try something else here
[18:36] <eagles0513875> Riddell: btw it never did that cancellation of logout again when i was on here so it must not be related to the apcid
[18:37]  * a|wen patiently waits for build-depends to download
[18:40]  * eagles0513875 starts swearing
[18:40] <eagles0513875> thank god for my windows rig i can upstream some bugs on here
[18:42] <eagles0513875> a|wen: im wondering if this issue of wifi is related to something causing my shutdown or logout scripts to be cancelled
[18:42]  * eagles0513875 wonders if fsck will fix the wifi issue
[18:43] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: qt build sits there waiting for a keypress after ./configure
[18:43] <Riddell> fabo: did you manage to work around that?
[18:44] <JontheEchidna> o.O
[18:44] <a|wen> eagles0513875: i'm pretty confident they're unrelated
[18:44] <eagles0513875> i have no idea what could be causing my system to randomly cancel shutdowns or restarts
[18:46] <ScottK> eagles0513875: That would be a #kubuntu question.
[18:47] <eagles0513875> ScottK: ok
[18:48] <eagles0513875> a|wen: running fsck fixed it
[18:48] <eagles0513875> im back on wifi again
[18:48] <ScottK> eagles0513875: I recognize that you are attempting to contribute, but the level of chatter you engage in on the channel is extremely out of proportion to your contribution and so I'd caution you again to focus.
[18:48] <eagles0513875> i can now that i have wifi access back on my laptop
[18:49]  * eagles0513875 goes back to upstreaming bugs
[18:52] <Riddell> a|wen: you know there's also discussion about your n-m update on bug 339313 ?
[18:52] <Riddell> although looking at the last comment it seems to be degrading in quality (the discussion)
[18:55] <ScottK> That's pretty much always what happens.
[18:55] <a|wen> Riddell: okay; so we definitely have some improvements ... but also a few confirmed regressions
[18:56] <eagles0513875> a|wen: managed to fix not being able to connect with wpa by running fsck
[18:56] <eagles0513875> will mention that on the bug
[18:56] <ScottK> eagles0513875: Please don't.  It's almost certainly coincidental.
[18:56] <Riddell> a|wen: yep, and this long list of repeated access points is getting worse for me
[18:56] <Riddell> a|wen: have we reported anything upstream?
[18:56] <eagles0513875> ScottK: im wondering if now its related to what Riddell just mentioned
[18:57] <ScottK> eagles0513875: I've no idea.  I just know that fsck'ing a hard drive and network access are unrelated.
[18:57] <a|wen> Riddell: it's next item on my todo to start upstreaming some of the new things found
[18:57] <eagles0513875> a|wen: let me know when you do and i can help ya out
[18:59] <Riddell> nixternal: what's all this about Q&A in an hour?
[19:00] <a|wen> eagles0513875: no worries, if you stick to those you already have going it's fine ... less chance of ending up duplicating things, when people are not working simultanously :)
[19:00] <nixternal> like we did for last open week, where we will open it up to people who want to ask questions about Kubuntu and/or KDE
[19:00] <eagles0513875> well apache gave me a 2nd list of stuff to go through
[19:00] <nixternal> I have an interview in like...0 minutes...waiting for the phone call now
[19:01] <eagles0513875> does this still need to head upstream https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-runtime/+bug/299902
[19:01] <eagles0513875> granted  a fix has been commited for it
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> eagles0513875: nope, fixed upstream
[19:03] <eagles0513875> ok thanks jon
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> you can close the upstream task by setting it to invalid
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> or fix released in this case I guesss
[19:04] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: there is nothing linked to an upstream bug report
[19:05] <JontheEchidna> yeah, so set it to fixed
[19:07] <eagles0513875> they are already that way one has fix released and other package has fix committed
[19:07] <JontheEchidna> oh, ok
[19:18] <mvo> Riddell: if you have a moment, I would like to talk about bug #368459 - I have a fix in u-m, but I need help writing a SRU test case for it (or let me know if you think its not sru worth)
[19:21] <ScottK> mvo: My thought on that is that people who installed KDE4 in Hardy are the ones most likely to have upgraded to Intrepid and not need the 8.04 -> 9.04 upgrade path.
[19:21] <Riddell> mvo: isn't the test case just "install hardy kde 4 remix and upgrade" ?
[19:22] <mvo> Riddell: pretty much, make sure that kubuntu-desktop is not installed too
[19:23] <mvo> Riddell: and details in how to enable a upgrade from the --proposed meta-release file
[19:23] <apachelogger> well, in the default setup of the kde4 remix there is no kubuntu-desktop anyway :)
[19:24] <mvo> ScottK: I'm fine with that too, I have no strong opinion either way, but the fix is relatively easy I think
[19:24] <ScottK> I guess whatever Riddell says, but my thought is not to bother.  Plenty of other more important things to spend time on.
[19:27] <Riddell> hmm, dunno, we didn't really make clear if it's a supported upgrade path or not
[19:27] <Riddell> it would be better to have it fixed that not and if it's a simple fix I don't mind checking it
[19:28] <mvo> Riddell: ok, if you could add the instructions on how to get a upgrade from meta-release-proposed with the hardy kubuntu-kde4-desktop, then I will do the rest :)
[19:29] <a|wen> Riddell: your layout issue is upstreamed ... and I've added a -dbg package for the network widget to the PPA for getting some useful backtraces
[19:30] <Riddell> thanks a|wen
[19:31]  * a|wen wishes for an "build -dbgsym" button in the PPA ... would make it so much easier
[19:33] <a|wen> Riddell: kde bug 191066 if you wish to follow along and have some comments
[19:34] <ScottK> NCommander: kde4libs 4:4.2.2-0ubuntu1~intrepid2 Estimated build start:
[19:34] <ScottK> 2009-05-03
[19:34] <ScottK> NCommander: Would you rescore please?
[19:39] <a|wen> Riddell: did you test to connect to an encrypted network?
[19:41] <Riddell> a|wen: yes WEP using hex key
[19:41] <Riddell> but that always worked
[19:42] <a|wen> okay ...
[19:45] <Riddell> **  Kubuntu Q & A session in 15 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom (questions to #ubuntu-classroom-chat)
[19:45] <nixternal> Riddell: you going to go along with the Q&A? looks like my interview isn't going to happen, as I didn't receive the phone call...pretty sloppy on the company I was supposed to interview with
[19:46] <nixternal> that answers my question :p
[19:46] <Riddell> quick, everything think up some interesting questions!
[19:46] <nixternal> Is Kubuntu a blue headed step child?
[19:46] <nixternal> ;p
[19:46] <Riddell> no no no
[19:46] <nixternal> lol
[19:47] <nixternal> ya, don't ask that question, seems people get their panties in a bunch
[19:47] <Nightrose> I can haz KDE 3?
[19:47] <nixternal> yes you can!
[19:47] <Nightrose> \o/
[19:47] <nixternal> hehe
[19:47] <nixternal> our kde3 hero isn't around right now though
[19:48] <nixternal> did we get an official PPA setup for that Riddell ?
[19:48] <nixternal> kde3 that is
[19:48] <Riddell> no
[19:48] <ScottK> nixternal: There is a KDE3 remix of Jaunty, but it's a remix.
[19:49] <Riddell> best not to call it official, people will expect us to support it
[19:49] <nixternal> right
[19:49] <ScottK> I was slightly suprised we mentioned it on kubuntu.org for that reason.
[19:53] <a|wen> ScottK: you need to be brave to be in kubuntu ... just look at all the svn snapshots we have in the repos
[19:54] <ScottK> a|wen: Sure, but mentioning the KDE3 remix is bound to make people think it's official and supported somehow.
[19:55] <a|wen> you're right ... and no big warning signs as part of the news item either
[19:57] <a|wen> and the wiki-page contains the wording semi-official
[19:57]  * ScottK notes that at Riddell and consider he might want to address it somehow.
[19:57] <Riddell> we didn't even mention the final remix on the website yet
[19:58] <Riddell> the guy has worked hard on something that there's obviously some demand for, I don't want to make him feel totally unthanked
[19:58] <Riddell> but yeah, an "unofficial" and "unsupported" would probably be a good idea
[19:59] <ScottK> Certainly.  There's a balance here.
[19:59] <ScottK> And he did listen to advice he got here to make it better than his first attempt too.
[19:59] <Riddell> right
[20:00] <a|wen> it is really an amazing pull-off
[20:00] <a|wen> we still need to be clear about the officiality (is that a word?)
[20:01] <smarter> officialness? :]
[20:01] <ScottK> Unfortunately Ubuntu Netbook Remix 9.04 kind of dilutes the notion that remixes are unofficial.
[20:42] <fabo> Riddell: add -opensource , there's a bug in configure script
[20:42] <fabo> JontheEchidna: ^^^
[20:55]  * eagles0513875 has updated kvirc 4.0 svn snapshot that i need to build to do still
[20:56] <apachelogger> hooray, we are not in the readahead for desktop \o/
[20:57] <apachelogger> someone go shoot someone else
[20:57] <claydoh> omg the kde3 die hards won't , um, die :(
[20:57]  * apachelogger can't even be sick without noticing bugs
[20:58] <a|wen> oh my; then that's why a "profile" changes the list so much
[20:59] <ScottK> apachelogger: I remember a random irc comment from keybuck that the Ubuntu readahead is just built with whatever packages he happens to have installed when he does it, so no suprise.
[20:59] <apachelogger> well
[20:59] <apachelogger> according to $wiki
[20:59] <a|wen> well done Riddell and nixternal!
[20:59] <apachelogger> he downloads $image to VM and profiles that one
[20:59] <apachelogger> which is also no wonder
[20:59] <JontheEchidna> fabo: what would I add -opensource to?
[21:00] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Whatever makes it work.
[21:00] <ScottK> I hope that helped.
[21:01] <apachelogger> hm
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> lol
[21:01] <apachelogger> I don't even have a 9.04 image
[21:01] <apachelogger> what a shame
[21:01]  * ScottK neither.  The only current release image I have on my hard drive is Lenny
[21:02]  * a|wen has an alternate disk which probably was the one that ended as $release
[21:02] <apachelogger> hm
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> ah, debian/rules build target
[21:02] <apachelogger> readahead also got libnss
[21:02] <apachelogger> /usr/lib/gconv/gconv-modules.cache
[21:02] <apachelogger> what is gconv?
[21:03] <nixternal> thanks a|wen ...now I can get something to eat
[21:03] <Riddell> sounds gnomey
[21:03] <rickspencer3> Riddell: someone popped into #ubuntu-desktop with a support question
[21:03] <rickspencer3> should I send them here, or is there a better place?
[21:03] <ScottK> rickspencer3: Usually #kubuntu
[21:04] <rickspencer3> Thanks ScottK
[21:04] <eagles0513875> night guys
[21:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: it seems to be gnuy
[21:05] <apachelogger> lib/gconv/ comes from libc6
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: source-building a new package
[21:06] <ScottK> Would one of you please highlite me in a few seconds?
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> this will only take about 20 minutes :/
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: sure
[21:06] <ScottK> Thanks
[21:06] <fabo> JontheEchidna: to qt4 configure script
[21:07] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: what's new?
[21:07] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: qt 4 made me run out of disk space
[21:07] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: oh, I did it wrong
[21:08] <Riddell> what did you do wrong?
[21:08] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I was playing about with having phonon build from qt 4 too
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> I didn't understand what fabo meant and did the wrong thing
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> all I really need is for somebody with bigger bandwidth than me to upload Qt to a PPA or something
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> oh
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> maybe I did understand the fix
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> fabo: just add -opensource to the config target in debian/rules, correct?
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/?op=comp&compare[]=%2Ftrunk%2Fpackages%2Fqt4-x11%2Fdebian%2Frules@14487&compare[]=%2Ftrunk%2Fpackages%2Fqt4-x11%2Fdebian%2Frules@14499
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> I don't have to patch the configure file itself or anything, right?
[21:13] <ScottK> NCommander: Thanks (I assume that was you)
[21:13] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Without looking, I'd say yes.  That's usually the case.
[21:15] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: ok, so the problem was that Qt's configure script had a bug, and we needed to pass the -configure flag to make it work
[21:15] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: so I added that flag in debian/rules along with the rest of the config flags
[21:18] <fabo> JontheEchidna: that's right
[21:18] <JontheEchidna> Thanks a lot, I just got a bit confused. :)
[21:19] <fabo> np :)
[21:27] <apachelogger> mcas: how is l10n progressing?
[21:28] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 369506
[21:52] <NCommander> ScottK, yeah
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I've updated the diffs in the bug
[23:05] <claydoh> woo I locked a thread in KFN before I get all worked up
[23:05] <claydoh> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3103296.msg178495#msg178495
[23:06] <claydoh> Riddell: notice I mentioned beautiful people :)
[23:08] <Riddell> :)
[23:10] <NCommander> ScottK, you around? I need an ACK for a main sync request
[23:10] <NCommander> (or Riddell :-))
[23:12] <Riddell> abend
[23:13]  * claydoh must take the mantle of Kubuntu KDE4 Kult Kommander and wear it proudly and loudly, he guesses
[23:15] <NCommander> Riddell, why'd you abnormally end?!
[23:19] <kb9vqf> claydoh: Well, I've kinda forked it in that I am adding features and bugfixes to the codebase...
[23:19] <kb9vqf> ;-)
[23:19] <rmrfslash> Is the xorg-driver-fglrx known to be buggy w/ 9.04.... esp. with opengl composting and resume?
[23:21] <rmrfslash> I'm not getting a single hit on this topic on #kubuntu. I can only achieve a  working resume (from suspend or hibernate) when I have compositing type set to xrender or toggling off  desktop effects altogether.
[23:22] <rmrfslash> Just hoping someone here can confirm that fglrx is indeed a known bug in 9.04
[23:22] <kb9vqf> It breaks resume on my older Toshiba...
[23:22] <rmrfslash> I gots a ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3670
[23:22] <kb9vqf> Well, I'm on an old 300M
[23:23] <kb9vqf> Not sure if it's a known bug though
[23:23] <kb9vqf> That laptop has always had problems with Linux
[23:23] <claydoh> kb9vqf: yes, i guess but its the incessant kde3-or-die of a few
[23:23] <rmrfslash> OpenGL works awesome.... and if I only had a desktop machine, I prolly wouldn't complain. But on my laptop it is hell.
[23:23] <rmrfslash> hell = disables one of the key features of a laptop
[23:24] <claydoh> kb9vqf: and i mean that with no disrespect for your effort here! I am seeding your torrents , for example
[23:24] <rmrfslash> laptop is a fairly new Dell Studio XPS 16
[23:24] <kb9vqf> claydoh: No offense taken!  Maybe the problem is with those who rant and rave and do nothing to actually *fix* the problem? ;-)
[23:26] <kb9vqf> BTW, thanks for the seeding--it helps a lot
[23:26] <rmrfslash> I won't play the "two wrongs don't make a right" game, but it would be working or would be a well known fact that it is indeed not working if I was the developer (and I am a sw developer)
[23:26]  * kb9vqf wonders why his server is under DoS attak from Cuba
[23:27] <claydoh> kb9vqf: my point exactly!