[00:02] Riddell: think you could put on your archive admin hat and remove pykdeextensions? it's only for the kde3 version and debian has removed it [00:05] can do [00:06] done [00:06] rock on! [00:07] for a chroot you can make a jaunty one and dist-upgrade, until deboostrap gets updated [00:08] JontheEchidna: what's in kdiff3-qt ? [00:08] evening Sime_ [00:08] Riddell: apparently a qt3-only version of kdiff3 [00:10] *Qt4 [00:11] bug 194438 [00:11] Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/194438/+text) [00:11] uhm [00:11] launchpad bug 194438 [00:11] Launchpad bug 194438 in kmediafactory "8.04: Update to new KMediaFactory 0.6.0 for KDE4" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194438 [00:12] lex79: looking [00:12] ok [00:16] lex79: it's not exactly clear why you dropped the libmagick++dev build-dep [00:17] read changelog in description bug [00:17] btw build fine, libmagick is no need in this new upstreame release [00:19] ok, I see [00:19] testbuilding now [00:21] grrr, xorg sucks [00:21] :) [00:22] out of nowhere, even after reboot, xorg is using 50% cpu [00:26] why must pbuilder be so slow [00:28] how can i suspend to ram via konsole (or dbus) without root priviliges? [00:29] * JontheEchidna updates plasma-widget-translatoid while he waits [00:30] launchpad bug 368929 [00:30] Launchpad bug 368929 in kopete-plugin-thinklight "New upstream release" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/368929 [00:30] :P [00:42] this annoys me https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=190913 [00:42] KDE bug 190913 in general "ktorrent tar missing Messages sh" [Normal,Resolved: invalid] [00:45] Riddell: Instead of repacking to add messages.sh, repack to remove all the translations. [00:45] Slap a dfsg on it and point complaints upstream. [00:46] bonus: get debian to do the same [00:50] come to think of it, ktorrent is already dfsg [00:50] true [00:53] we could make language-pack-*-nonfree, lulz [00:53] then have update-notifier-kde offer them for install when someone installs ktorrent [00:53] telling the user to file all complaints with ktorrent ;P [00:56] JontheEchidna: in debian/control for plasmoid, the field Replaces: plasmoid-* is need in karmic? [00:56] lex79: yeah [00:56] lex79: also there are a few docbooks you need to delete for kmediafactory [00:56] kmediafactoryplayer and kmf_dbg_edit.sh [00:56] since those executables are no longer distributed [00:57] I can remove them for you and upload [00:57] JontheEchidna: ok ;) [01:00] lex79: which plasmoid are you doing? [01:00] JontheEchidna: plasma-widget-windowslist was renamed in plasma-widget-windowlist (without 's'). I must add plasma-widget-windowslist in Replace field? [01:00] this :) [01:00] lol [01:01] lex79: as long as we never released a plasma-widget-windowlist then we dont' need to [01:02] oh [01:02] yeah, you need to add a replace [01:02] Replaces: plasmoid-windowslist, plasma-widget-windowslist [01:02] is ok? [01:02] yup [01:03] lex79: I'll do runcommand [01:03] JontheEchidna: ok [01:04] while you're doing windowlist [01:05] the thinkpad plugin is also testbuilding [01:06] well, launchpad bug 368936 [01:06] Launchpad bug 368936 in plasma-widget-windowslist "New upstream release" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/368936 [01:07] now I will do adjustableclock [01:08] I think we're on a roll :) [01:08] yeahhhh [01:11] It takes longer to set up pbuilder than to build kopete-plugin-thinklight :( [01:11] oh, I forgot close bug in changelog for windowlist [01:11] I will close manually, ok? [01:11] ok, that's fine [01:11] I could just add it for you though [01:12] since I haven't started testbuilding it yet [01:12] as you want [01:13] lex79: thinklight looks great, I'll upload in just a bit [01:14] good [01:15] JontheEchidna: Did you see there are patches in KDE for Kopete notification bustage? [01:16] actions not working? [01:16] or other bustage? [01:17] JontheEchidna: I think it was actions. [01:17] * ScottK looks around for the bug # [01:17] I think I saw those, but I haven't done anything about it yet [01:17] Debian bug 525728 [01:18] Debian bug 525728 in kopete "kopete: Kopete individual and group notifications doesn't work" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/525728 [01:18] That was the one I saw [01:18] JontheEchidna: I think we just need to remember it and see if it's not in 4.2.3 we see if we can grab it. [01:18] * JontheEchidna nods [01:24] launchpad bug 368943 [01:24] Launchpad bug 368943 in plasma-widget-adjustableclock "New upstream release" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/368943 [01:27] * JontheEchidna is just now getting windowslist [01:27] JontheEchidna: windowlist, not windowSlist :D [01:32] * JontheEchidna wonders how bug 368916 happened... [01:32] Launchpad bug 368916 in kubuntu-default-settings "kubuntu 9.04: default kickoffrc has an extra "k" at the end" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/368916 [01:32] lol [01:32] Got the 4.2.2 backport done just in time. The first autosync run just started. [01:33] Nice [01:37] JontheEchidna: So we can upload your patch (and we should, but it'll be a week before it gets built now. [01:37] JontheEchidna: BTW, debdiff? [01:38] for kopete notifications? I haven't actually done that yet [01:38] No, the one for the notifications leaking through the screensaver [01:39] oh, that [01:43] lex79: plasma-widget-windowlist uploaded, thanks for your contribution to Kubuntu [01:45] thank you [01:58] lex79: adjustableclock uploaded [01:58] I will do lastmoid later [01:59] ScottK: I think http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdelibs/ubuntu/revision/46 is of interest [02:04] * ScottK was hoping for a nice debdiff [02:12] I could make a patch for backports, I suppose... [02:21] Remember I'm old and forgetful and can't quite be trusted with such responsibility .... [02:24] just about done [02:32] ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/160351/ [02:35] * JontheEchidna grabs yakuake and merged [02:38] launchpad bug 368979 [02:38] Launchpad bug 368979 in plasma-widget-lastmoid "New upstream release" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/368979 [02:44] JontheEchidna: You're quick. Got to the bluetooth guy faster than i did. [02:44] Probably nicer too. [02:45] hehe [02:47] JontheEchidna: Did you test build against intrepid-backports? [02:48] I didn't [02:49] Urgh. [02:53] launchpad bug 368984 [02:53] Launchpad bug 368984 in plasma-widget-drop2ftp "New upstream release" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/368984 [03:00] OK. Building then. Off to do laundry ... [03:08] lex79: drop2ftp uploaded, thanks [03:09] JontheEchidna: lastmoid? [03:09] * JontheEchidna hasn't seen a lastmoid bug yet [03:10] JontheEchidna: Launchpad bug 368979 [03:10] Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/368979/+text) [03:11] sillly launchpad [03:12] ehehe [03:22] ScottK: http://awen.dk/packages/kde4libs_4.2.2-0ubuntu1~intrepid2.debdiff === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [03:23] a|wen: Is that the same as the one JontheEchidna gave me already? [03:23] Yeah, it is .... [03:23] ScottK: yeah; and i send it to you ~12h before ;) [03:23] * a|wen thinks he got lost in a backlog, he [03:24] i didn't get to click all the links while reading the log yet [03:25] maybe ScottK confused me for you? I though it strange that I forgot that I was asked to fix a kde4libs bug.... [03:25] JontheEchidna: Probably. a|wen: sorry about that. [03:26] So many helpful people. Easy for old folks to get confused. [03:26] he, i think so ... well, as long as it gets fixed :) [03:27] lex79: lastmoid uploaded [03:27] I saw in ML ;) [03:28] * a|wen wonders why he has both grab-merge and grab-merge.sh [03:34] hrmm, how did I install kubuntu-restricted-extras, but it didn't grab firefox or sun-java6-plugin? [03:38] Firefox isn't a restricted extra. [03:38] and neither is sun-java6-plugin [03:39] So that would be how. [03:50] yo [03:50] \o [03:50] * a|wen waves to vorian [03:51] hola [03:51] * a|wen updates basket [04:46] a|wen and JontheEchidna: kde4libs for intrepid-backports is uploaded. Thanks. [04:46] yay :) [05:08] * a|wen wonders when it is going to be built [05:11] Wonder when it will get accepted first. LP is being difficult [05:12] he, that is a pre-requisite for building [05:14] It's not like there's a rush as backports get built after all development stuff. [05:14] Riddell: Would you please accept the kde4libs in intrepid-backports. LP isn't doing it for me. [05:15] then it wont get built anytime soon [05:15] Yep [05:16] a|wen: To answer your question from earlier, grab-merge is now in ubuntu-dev-tools. grab-merge.sh you probably downloaded from either MoM or DaD [05:17] Good night all. [05:17] nhandler: jup, i figured that grab-merge had actually been added to a real package now [05:17] nn ScottK [05:18] a|wen: They were waiting to add it to u-d-t until MoM and DaD merged because prior to that, there were 2 different grab-merge.sh scripts [05:18] * nhandler -> bed [05:19] makes sense [05:19] nn nhandler [06:31] clearly there is a bug in the dontzap stuff [06:32] apachelogger: how so? [06:34] a|wen: say you change the display size ... then the kcm will apply that setting and ask whether you want to keep the new size or revert to the previous one ... if you click apply all is good ... but if you click revert kdesudo will popup for dontzap [06:34] a|wen: I suppose you are going to fix this now? :D [06:34] it should be using polkit anywway [06:34] IMHO [06:35] that is a strange/fun bug :) [06:42] a|wen: aye, on the other hand your nm package is quite an improvement on my machine [06:42] now connect automagically works even [06:42] though!!! [06:42] my kded4 crashed [06:43] was like: upgrade -> logout -> delete all configs -> login -> try to connect -> kded4 goes down [06:43] after that it worked, after restarted it worked as well, so we should be looking into that [06:44] there has indeed been great improvement; but it still has some rough edges ... which seems to move around a bit [06:44] well, we need to take a revision and squash the regression edges so it can go to updates [06:45] a|wen: we probably need a set of testcases to ensure the most critical stuff didn't regress [06:47] apachelogger: very true ... i'm kind of an off person for that, as i can test exactly wired networking and that's it [06:48] we need loads of tests on different machcines as well [06:48] + wired networking is critical stuff IMHO :D [06:48] so, who knows how to use qa.ubuntu.com? [06:50] * a|wen has no idea how that one works [06:51] well, currently wired network does not work at all for me using the plasmoid ... it totally ignores my network card [06:52] a|wen: and the nu snapshot doesn't improve that [06:52] no change at all [06:52] maybe it's a network-manager issue all along? did you try with nm-applet? [06:53] i suspect it is ... haven't looked at it much yet [07:03] exactly the same for nm-applet [07:06] you probably should report a bug against nm then :D [07:08] might be on purpose as i have the eth0 with ppp+ipv6 tunnel overlays ... nm-applet reports it as unmanaged [07:09] that will be a test for another day [07:09] C/win 25 [07:11] my network = encapsulation hell [07:13] morning [07:17] a|wen: hows things this am [07:17] well, they turned pm, heh [07:57] morning dpm [07:57] good morning eagles0513875 [08:01] dpm: translation into maltese looks promising [08:02] eagles0513875: I'm glad, did you have a good response from the maltese mailing lists? Did you try to contact the KDE maltese translation team as well? [08:03] dpm: should have one today [08:03] but i talked to a friend who was kinda working on it he has an ubuntu group of facebook which he made me kubuntu specialist lol and i posted on there too so hopefully i get a response soon but it looks super promising [08:04] eagles0513875: I haven't had the chance to answer your e-mail on ubuntu-translators, but I think we already talked about the most important things on #ubuntu-translators the other day [08:04] ya we did [08:05] sounds good [08:06] also uploaded a number of knetwork bugs upstream last night [08:14] dpm: can you take a look at something for me because i dont know how to respond to it [08:14] not to mention i dont understand the bug [08:14] I can try, what is it? [08:14] dpm: he didn't asnwer the second part of your question.... [08:14] bug 144756 [08:14] Launchpad bug 144756 in kdenetwork "proxy settings don't affect" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144756 [08:15] i posted that upstream last night and i got a response to file a wish report do i just copy what was in the bug that i filed upstream to the wishlist? [08:18] eagles0513875: I think you should ask someone more knowledgeable on KDE/Kubuntu development than me, maybe a dev [08:19] ok dpm ill ask later cuz seems like everyone is asleep [08:19] but as far as I can tell, the Kubuntu bug already links to the upstream bug [08:20] dpm: take a look at the upstream bug there was a response to put it on upstream wishlist [08:20] do i take wahts in the upstream bug and post it to the wishlist then relink the url to the wishlist bug and change it to wish list [08:26] hrmm, I don't think that bug should have gone upstream to be honest...seeing as the two apps mentioned in the report are not KDE apps, and that the proxy settings in KDE are for KIO enabled apps only, I think those apps should get the report if anything [08:26] I scoured fd.o and there isn't a damn thing on proxy stuff [08:26] nixternal: that was under the https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+upstreamreport knetwork [08:26] note that this is the same action in pretty much everything our there, whether it is windows, mac, or linux, the system's proxy settings may/may not effect 3rd party applications [08:27] it shouldn't have been, but it looks like it was tagged that way [08:27] gotcha what do i do re putting that on the upstream wishlist [08:27] should [08:27] that isn't an upstream issue though [08:27] nixternal: there is no environment with only kde apps [08:27] right, and you get that same result on windows, os x, gnome, whatever [08:28] apachelogger: i put it upstream and it was request to be put on wish list do i put what i put in the upstream bug on the wish list and relink it on the proper bug [08:28] if the app isn't written to utilize the system's proxy settings, then it isn't going to work as one would want it to [08:28] let me know what you guys determine [08:28] kde can't fix the issue for adept or apt, it isn't their issue to begin with [08:28] eagles0513875: no, read what dario requested [08:29] nixternal: I am more thinking of a freedesktop level here [08:29] you can wishlist it, but that just means in 10 years from now, you can go point it out to your grand children that you really did contribute to free software [08:29] why would my kde proxy settings not apply to firefox? [08:29] or openoffice [08:29] apachelogger: it would be great, and if it were to ever happen, linux would be the first [08:29] what would you guys like me to do [08:29] but even on the freedesktop level, that means we need to share a common proxy system, and then have every application that utilizes proxy, to be rewritten in order to support it [08:29] wishlist it [08:30] apachelogger: because firefox and oo.o have their own proxy implementations [08:30] nixternal: there are existing frameworks for poxies, so you'd just need to modify the frameworks [08:30] nixternal: well, those were just two examples [08:30] adept and apt [08:30] first stage would be to get kde and gnome apps share the proxy setting [08:31] same deal, though I don't know why one would write a kde based app that utilizes a proxy without doing it the kde way [08:31] then that would have to go upstream both ways [08:31] nixternal: that is not what I said [08:31] they should share the setting [08:31] not the implementation [08:31] kde just would need to read the fd.o config rather than the kde one [08:31] same probably applies for gnome [08:31] right, so you mean that firefox and oo.o should become even more bloatware so they can support every proxy imp out there [08:32] dude [08:32] you need sleep [08:32] nixternal: it's not about the implementation [08:32] until a single proxy imp is written, which I find it hard to believe it ever will be, there isn't much you can do [08:32] * eagles0513875 holds my tongue bout Oo [08:32] you need a common place to store the setting [08:32] that is all [08:32] KDE stores the setting somewhere, GNOME stores the setting somewhere, Firefox stores the setting somewhere.... [08:32] right, kde has that common place, but unless the app is utilizing the proxy kio, it doesn't get the settings [08:33] nixternal: what hes saying have something universal for storing the settings for both gnome and kde programs [08:33] right, I know what he is saying...it is a wishlist bug, it is something that needs to go to fd.o before it goes to kde or gnome, imho [08:34] nixternal: it needs to go there via KDE, if we suggest that it is going to get no attention at all [08:34] well the launchpad bug number is 144756 [08:34] like that inprecision in the desktop file spec that JontheEchidna filed a bug about half a year ago or something [08:35] right, and you file it as a wishlist in kde and gnome, it isn't going anywhere either [08:35] unless you get some solid backing behind it [08:35] ah well [08:35] I know, pass it on to jcastro :) he can wrangle up all of the upstream devs :) [08:35] * apachelogger thinks nixternal should write a spec at uds and get someone to sponsor development :P [08:36] * nixternal could care less as he doesn't use a proxy nor ever has used a proxy [08:36] I always had non-proxy backdoors somewhere [08:36] it is all about scratching my itches now :p [08:36] * eagles0513875 apologizes to room for starting a fight [08:36] pfft, that wasn't a fight :) [08:37] nixternal: lol let him do that lol [08:37] im just doing what i was given to do [08:38] * eagles0513875 thinks dolphin needs to be stripped from karmic [08:38] go figure...firefox stores proxy crap in their sql files [08:38] dolphin is a pita when it comes to accessing remote shares super slow [08:39] I am actually starting to like dolphin...as I only use it to when viewing images [08:39] nixternal: so they need 5 lines of code to read it from the fd.o location on $linux :P [08:39] I was just thinking that same thing apachelogger :) [08:39] though, I think they will go for interfacing with gnome's proxy magic and just use that [08:39] nixternal: try access a samba mounted share thats mounted using smbfs [08:39] like they always do :D [08:39] or, better yet, creating a proxy aggregator [08:39] wooohooo \o/ [08:40] hahaha, that is how it goes [08:40] so, I got my first taste of pygtk programming, and I have to say, I don't think it could be any easier [08:40] nixternal: bug 345776 [08:40] Launchpad bug 345776 in kdesudo "package kdebase-runtime 4:4.2.1-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: conflicts with kdesudo (it tries to owerwrite file /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/345776 [08:41] do you think kdesudo pre-depending kdebase-runtime would solve that? [08:41] no, because wouldn't kdesudo then fail trying to overwrite that same file? [08:42] no, kdesudo does alter it [08:42] move kdesu to kdesu.orig or something [08:42] ya, that would work [08:42] cool, now I just need a minion to fix that [08:42] though isn't that the RPM way? [08:42] ie. a hack :) [08:43] nixternal: aye [08:43] hrmm, though how else could you get around that? [08:43] a|wen: seems like you getting killer response in regards to your plasma network manager widget :) [08:43] nixternal: package kdesu in an own package [08:43] make runtime depend on kdesu|kdesudo [08:44] apachelogger: whats the difference between kdesu and kdesudo [08:44] there's a good idea [08:44] one works :) [08:44] eagles0513875: kdesu's sudo support is rather broken [08:44] so it was replaced with kdesudo [08:44] nixternal: still that would cause a diff to debian ... we should talk to master tonio I suppose [08:44] apachelogger: in that case, why even install it in the first place then? [08:44] eagles0513875: aye [08:45] nixternal: kdesu? [08:45] or better yet, fix kdesu :p [08:45] apachelogger: ya [08:45] it works perfectly fine for su and mostly for sudo, it just ain't got no password caching and all the loves [08:45] i still cant get over how a beta of an irc program made it into jaunty. dunno what the beta version has that the stable version didnt [08:45] pretty soon we will have so many of the same type of wheel, that our choice will be clouded [08:46] eagles0513875: beta? [08:46] * apachelogger can't follow [08:46] apachelogger: kvirc [08:46] eagles0513875: stable was horribly horribly broken due to KDE 3 [08:46] apachelogger: gotcha [08:47] well im gonna figure out at some point how to package a newer snapshot [08:47] or use a decent irc client :P [08:47] i like kvirc lol [08:47] i like being able to put up a theme of a porn star in the background :P [08:47] it reminds me to much of mIRC [08:47] * apachelogger shudders [08:47] irssi ftw! [08:47] its different [08:48] lol apachelogger btw thanks for packaging 2.1 of amarok [08:48] mhhhh ... irssi [08:48] if only it was written in ruby :P [08:48] actually, kvirc in jaunty isn't even beta [08:48] svn snapshot, better yet :) [08:48] eagles0513875: was only kind of a PITA :D [08:48] well hell [08:48] nixternal: while I was amarok's release dude I had a saying ... was something like "releases are eventually just svn snapshots" [08:49] it just sigseved on me [08:49] apachelogger: limechat == ruby ftw :) [08:49] ruby \o/ === imbrando_ is now known as imbrandon [08:49] imbrandon: go to bed already! [08:49] and stop drinking bud light dude! [08:49] nixternal: i napped , i'm good :) [08:49] rubycocoa [08:49] ruby, eww [08:49] ok, that name is just tooo uberawesome [08:49] apachelogger: who should i poke re that bug regarding proxy [08:50] eagles0513875: jonny [08:50] lol [08:50] apachelogger: 02:49 CTCP-reply VERSION from imbrandon : LimeChat for OSX 0.20 [08:50] :) [08:50] on rubycoca [08:51] I wonder if DHH uses LimeChat [08:51] dhh ? [08:51] ya, the guy who created ruby on fails [08:51] oh, I mean rails [08:51] ahh [08:51] my new drinking buddy to be exact [08:51] I was just on an open source panel with him a few weeks back [08:51] cool [08:52] people wanted us to either a) fight, or b) arm wrestle [08:52] haha [08:52] apachelogger: the echidna [08:52] quite funny...nobody likes him because of his attitude, but damn we are similar, and he is cool to drink with [08:52] * apachelogger notes that nixternal doesn't work half the time because he is always out drinking [08:52] plus he is rich and buys the beer :p [08:52] eagles0513875: of course [08:52] lol [08:52] JontheEchidna: ping [08:52] * nixternal notes he doesn't work anytime because he is unemployed [08:52] * eagles0513875 multitasks [08:53] nixternal: hm, loads of ruby I suppose [08:53] * eagles0513875 studies and helps post bugs upstream [08:53] nixternal: get a job over at canonical's [08:53] * emonkey loves nixternal because he loves beer and is willing to pay for it ... :) [08:53] i can be the gourmet chef [08:53] chief drinking dude [08:53] nixternal: or come work for my company :) [08:53] mmm beer [08:53] I can't leave Chicago, though I always say I want to...it is just way to awesome of a city [08:54] * eagles0513875 wonders isnt this OT [08:54] I have lived many other places, but this is sweet home chicago :) [08:54] eagles0513875: anytime imbrandon speaks its OT, you'll learn :) [08:54] imbrandon: if I can work from home, then I am down [08:54] hahaha [08:55] imbrandon: lets go back, way back! [08:55] https://edge.launchpad.net/~cutiecoder [08:55] i did get amarok 2.1 to compile on osx today though, now *working* i dunno [08:55] muhahahaha [08:55] hm [08:55] * eagles0513875 hugs all devs for best distro around [08:55] zOMGBBQ [08:55] hahahahahaha [08:55] what ever happened to her ? [08:55] how many people in here can say that had a stalker on IRC? [08:55] my japanese could use some improvements [08:55] I have no clue dude [08:56] nixternal: Nightrose and I had [08:56] damn, guess I am no longer alone [08:56] actually the same person at the same time which was kinda creepy [08:56] aplg: did they send dirty pictures? [08:56] hahahah [08:56] lol [08:56] O-O [08:56] * eagles0513875 goes back to studying [08:56] nixternal: Nightrose? [08:56] no [08:56] sure, she usually sends some twice a week [08:56] your stalker [08:56] hahahahahahaha [08:56] aplg: lol [08:56] you ass [08:56] * Nightrose kicks aplg hard :D [08:56] rofl [08:57] jeez [08:57] I was waiting for that [08:57] you're not supposed to tell! [08:57]