| marcelo_ | I have installed Ubuntu 9.04 and have notice the slowness of graphics!!! Xorg is taking up 30% of my cpu and beagle-helper is taking up 15% to 20% of my cpu... thats on avarage 50% of my cpu!!! can anyone please help me before i have to back to vista witch ran just fine.... I am a nuwbie to linux and have liked it so far but now I am stuck with this problem. | 05:46 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 06:43 |
| didrocks | hi pitti | 07:35 |
| pitti | hey didrocks | 07:38 |
| didrocks | pitti: still reviewing SRUs? :) | 07:38 |
| pitti | every day after a release :) | 07:38 |
| didrocks | good luck ;) | 07:39 |
| pitti | I spent the morning packaging the new g-p-m, though | 07:39 |
| pitti | still has some rough edges, though, so I'd like to get some more work onto that | 07:39 |
| didrocks | is it working great? | 07:39 |
| didrocks | oki | 07:39 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: oh, FYI, in case you are interested in g-p-m, I have a branch with 2.26.1 (to avoid double work) | 07:39 |
| pitti | didrocks: yay devicekit :) | 07:40 |
| didrocks | pitti: oh, didn't know they integrated devicekit. I will have a look to it :) | 07:40 |
| pitti | didrocks: I blogged about it a while ago | 07:41 |
| didrocks | found http://martinpitt.wordpress.com/2009/03/11/wanna-touch-devicekit/, remember now :) | 07:42 |
| robert_ancell | pitti: g-p-m = gnome-power-manager? Don't think I've ever looked at it... | 07:42 |
| didrocks | pitti: I will try it when you will make it available. I'm bored that my suspend to ram works so well :) | 07:43 |
| robert_ancell | Who is the local Firefox expert? I've been looking at bug 368252 and I don't have the know-how to trace how the totem plugin is invoked. Clues are making it look like Firefox+javascript may be causing the problem.. | 07:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 368252 in totem "Totem firefox plugin can't launch apple HD trailers" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/368252 | 07:46 |
| pitti | ok, I'm off for an hour or two for a doctor appointment | 07:47 |
| didrocks | see you | 07:47 |
| robert_ancell | later | 07:47 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: asac IIRC | 07:47 |
| robert_ancell | didrocks: cheers | 07:48 |
| didrocks | y/w | 07:48 |
| === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter | ||
| pitti | re | 08:43 |
| didrocks | re pitti | 08:43 |
| seb128 | hello pitti didrocks | 08:47 |
| pitti | hey seb128 | 08:47 |
| didrocks | Hi seb128 | 08:48 |
| robert_ancell | seb128: hey seb | 08:48 |
| seb128 | hello robert_ancell | 08:48 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell: how was your day? did you manage to squash some bugs? ;-) | 08:49 |
| robert_ancell | seb128: hard going today. I worked on the totem-mozilla bug but I think it's a firefox issue? Some more work on the SSH bug, I can repeat it but I don't get what is going on | 08:51 |
| * robert_ancell has been pushing all his work upstream today :) | 08:51 | |
| seb128 | robert_ancell: could be for totem, it's weird that the non-hd things are working and firefox is calling totem by looking to .xsession-errors | 08:51 |
| pitti | hm, this U1 thing doesn't really seem to like me :/ | 08:52 |
| robert_ancell | seb128: well it seems to be due to the way the page is crafted. I was hacking it apart to find what HTML/JS code is making the difference | 08:52 |
| crevette | hello | 08:52 |
| didrocks | hey crevette | 08:52 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell: I see | 08:52 |
| seb128 | lut crevette | 08:53 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell: don't spend too much time on it, reassign to firefox if the bug is there | 08:53 |
| robert_ancell | pitti: I was wondering if it didn't work 'cause it was shut down when I was awake - it hardly never works! | 08:53 |
| crevette | hello frenchies | 08:53 |
| pitti | well, I set it up, and I see my files again which I uploaded two months ago | 08:54 |
| pitti | but it never syncs | 08:54 |
| robert_ancell | seb128: that's my guess - I'll do that and they can reassign it back if they can say why its invoking the plugin in different ways | 08:54 |
| * crevette is interested by what is this U1 project | 08:54 | |
| crevette | :) | 08:54 |
| crevette | I guess today we just know mere mortal | 08:54 |
| crevette | +s | 08:54 |
| pitti | crevette: wait until May 7 :) then the public beta will start | 08:54 |
| pitti | ECHANNEL, sorry | 08:54 |
| pitti | but well, we talked about it in the meeting yesterday | 08:55 |
| pitti | crevette: can you see http://ubuntuone.com ? | 08:55 |
| asac | robert_ancell: ? | 08:55 |
| asac | robert_ancell: what have you found so far? | 08:55 |
| crevette | pitti, no, I don't permission to see it :) | 08:55 |
| robert_ancell | asac: can you look at bug 368252 - I'm a bit lost on the divide between firefox and the totem plugin | 08:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 368252 in totem "Totem firefox plugin can't launch apple HD trailers" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/368252 | 08:56 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell: the rhythmbox issue, are you waiting on an another example? | 08:57 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell: I think the current case is already worth fixing, what do you think | 08:57 |
| robert_ancell | seb128: I agree. I was diving into the source but I got lost. I'm not sure if it's a gstreamer or rhythmbox issue. I was looking at the diffs but couldn't see anything. | 08:58 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell: I would expect rather a gstreamer one | 08:59 |
| seb128 | but I'm not sure either | 08:59 |
| seb128 | it's just a random guess ;-) | 08:59 |
| robert_ancell | seb128: I also tried the Intrepid rb but it occurs for that too - this is why I think it is probably in gstreamer | 08:59 |
| asac | robert_ancell: what is supposed to happen when you left click? | 09:00 |
| robert_ancell | It should open the video in fullscreen afaik | 09:01 |
| robert_ancell | (it's just a standard link) | 09:01 |
| robert_ancell | asac: the interesting thing that stood out in the log is "width 1" and "height 1" for the failed cases | 09:02 |
| asac | robert_ancell: onclick="s_objectID="http://movies.apple.com/movies/paramount/star_trek/startrek-clip_480p.mov_1";return this.s_oc?this.s_oc(e):true" | 09:10 |
| asac | thats what happens "on click" | 09:10 |
| asac | doesnt look right | 09:10 |
| robert_ancell | asac: yeah, do you think they've changed the page? | 09:11 |
| robert_ancell | asac: how did you get that? I was playing around with the web developer plugin but couldn't find out how to get what a link would resolve to | 09:12 |
| asac | robert_ancell: can you check what "this.s_oc function does? | 09:12 |
| asac | robert_ancell: install firefox-3.0-dom-inspector | 09:12 |
| asac | robert_ancell: then you can click on elements and see the HTML element in the inspector | 09:13 |
| seb128 | tseliot: hi, did you read the xrandr capplet bug about virtual settings questions? | 09:15 |
| tseliot | seb128: what bug? | 09:15 |
| * seb128 grrr at people not reading their bug emails | 09:15 | |
| seb128 | let me get the number, I assigned the bug to you | 09:16 |
| seb128 | tseliot: bug #365210 | 09:16 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 365210 in gnome-control-center "gnome-display-properties mistakenly requires logout to increase resolution" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365210 | 09:16 |
| tseliot | seb128: I might have read that but I would like to know what bug you're referring to | 09:16 |
| asac | robert_ancell: it seems to do something ... so figure out what this.s_oc function does | 09:16 |
| asac | robert_ancell: and so on | 09:16 |
| asac | have to get coffee now ;) | 09:16 |
| robert_ancell | asac: ok, cheers | 09:17 |
| seb128 | tseliot: I get it every time on several boxes | 09:17 |
| seb128 | tseliot: it's quite annoying and would be nice to fix in a sru | 09:17 |
| tseliot | seb128: I think I missed this report. I'll try to reproduce the problem here and work on a fix | 09:18 |
| seb128 | tseliot: thanks | 09:18 |
| tseliot | np | 09:18 |
| seb128 | tseliot: it's easy, start the capplet, try a lower resolution and back to your normal one | 09:19 |
| seb128 | it will not go back until you restart the capplet | 09:19 |
| seb128 | and it wants to add virtual settings when not required | 09:19 |
| seb128 | ie just to go back to the normal value you were using for example | 09:19 |
| tseliot | seb128: and does this happen when the virtual resolution is already set in xorg.conf? | 09:19 |
| seb128 | pitti: how do you deal with sync-source -a errors? | 09:19 |
| pitti | seb128: one by one, I'm afraid | 09:20 |
| seb128 | tseliot: I've not tried, I'm using one screen | 09:20 |
| pitti | seb128: often we need to remove packages first, because they got renamed | 09:20 |
| seb128 | pitti: is there a way to skip the broken entry or resume from there instead of redoing the whole -a ? | 09:20 |
| pitti | seb128: or binaries moved around (then -F helps) | 09:20 |
| pitti | seb128: or different orig | 09:20 |
| tseliot | seb128: ah, ok, so in your case it wasn't set | 09:20 |
| seb128 | pitti: could you look to the libdca error and tell me what you would do? | 09:21 |
| pitti | seb128: resuming isn't possible, I'm afraid | 09:21 |
| pitti | seb128: you have to temporarily blacklist it, -a again, rinse and repeat until it succeeds | 09:21 |
| pitti | and then resolve the temporary blacklisted ones | 09:21 |
| seb128 | tseliot: I'm using one screen on ati and no, I've no virtual on this box | 09:21 |
| pitti | seb128: looking | 09:21 |
| tseliot | ok | 09:21 |
| seb128 | tseliot: but virtual is not required since that the normal resolution | 09:22 |
| seb128 | I just start the capplet | 09:22 |
| seb128 | change to 800x600 for example | 09:22 |
| seb128 | ack the choice | 09:22 |
| seb128 | and then try to change back to the normal value | 09:22 |
| seb128 | I get the error | 09:22 |
| seb128 | restart the capplet and it works | 09:22 |
| tseliot | ok, thanks for the info | 09:22 |
| seb128 | you're welcome, thanks for looking into it! | 09:22 |
| seb128 | pitti: thanks | 09:23 |
| seb128 | pitti: I've been fixing some overwritte issues yesterday by using -f for those | 09:23 |
| pitti | seb128: right, what I said; our current libdts-dev is built from the libdts source | 09:23 |
| seb128 | binaries which are built by new sources | 09:23 |
| pitti | seb128: so this one should just be --force'd, I think | 09:23 |
| seb128 | ok, so -f, flush, wait for publishing and -a again? | 09:23 |
| seb128 | pitti: ok, can you do it while you have it locally? thanks! | 09:24 |
| pitti | seb128: or just skil flush and publisher, and immediately run -a again | 09:24 |
| seb128 | pitti: oh, no need to wait for publisher? | 09:24 |
| pitti | seb128: no, just don't flush | 09:24 |
| pitti | and let it sync all over again | 09:24 |
| seb128 | pitti: I was not sure where it was getting versions to compare | 09:24 |
| pitti | that should be faster | 09:24 |
| seb128 | pitti: it breaks again on the same case then | 09:24 |
| seb128 | even if I -f ed it | 09:25 |
| pitti | seb128: not if you temporarily blacklist it | 09:25 |
| seb128 | ah ok | 09:25 |
| seb128 | ok, makes sense | 09:25 |
| seb128 | I will do that next time, thanks! | 09:25 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, hang on | 09:25 |
| pitti | seb128: no, I won't sync that | 09:25 |
| pitti | seb128: our libtds-dev is ubuntu modified | 09:25 |
| pitti | it won't scribble over that | 09:25 |
| pitti | it needs to be merged | 09:25 |
| pitti | (or at least checked if the changes can go) | 09:26 |
| seb128 | pitti: so just blacklist it for now? | 09:26 |
| pitti | seb128: yes | 09:26 |
| robert_ancell | I'm off, see you guys tomorrow | 09:26 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell: have a nice evening see you tomorrow | 09:26 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: good night! | 09:26 |
| seb128 | pitti: can you do that while you are at it? | 09:26 |
| robert_ancell | bye | 09:26 |
| pitti | well, I'm not "at it", but *shrug* | 09:26 |
| seb128 | pitti: I'll continue on sync when I'm done with what I'm doing right now | 09:26 |
| pitti | sure | 09:26 |
| seb128 | pitti: ok don't bother, I though you were already sshing on the box | 09:26 |
| seb128 | I will do that in a bit | 09:27 |
| pitti | seb128: doing now, don't worry | 09:27 |
| seb128 | I stopped on that this night and didn't resume yet | 09:27 |
| seb128 | I just kept the question for this morning ;-) | 09:27 |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 09:27 | |
| pitti | seb128: ah, that's an ancient package (gutsy) | 09:28 |
| pitti | seb128: I'll just remove the libdts source, then it should just sync | 09:28 |
| chrisccoulson | is anyone intereted in taking bug 337441 for karmic? | 09:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 337441 in gnome-settings-daemon "Low disk space warning "Cancel" and "OK" buttons do the same thing" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/337441 | 09:29 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: you? ;-) | 09:29 |
| pitti | seb128: it'd probably be better to do a full process-removals run, I'll do that one | 09:29 |
| seb128 | pitti: you rock! | 09:29 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - i was going to offer if noone else wanted to do it already:) | 09:29 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: go for it, I expect we will find enough to do to not get bored without that one ;-) | 09:30 |
| chrisccoulson | i'll take that one then. thanks | 09:30 |
| seb128 | thank you | 09:30 |
| pitti | seb128: right, process-removals duefully caught it | 09:30 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - did you see my response in bug 360399? I don't think we're going to get an SRU-worthy fix to resolve this issue | 09:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 360399 in tracker "Tracker Evolution Eplug missing" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/360399 | 09:31 |
| chrisccoulson | upstream identified some issues with the plugin but when they fixed it it caused a big regression, and so they've just disabled it completely in 0.6.9x which we have in jaunty | 09:32 |
| chrisccoulson | and they're not planning any more work on that | 09:32 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: right, I saw it; nevermind about it | 09:33 |
| chrisccoulson | you can probably unsubscribe the sponsors team and ubuntu-sru team from that if you like | 09:33 |
| pitti | at least the sponsors, yes | 09:33 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: thanks | 09:34 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks:) | 09:34 |
| * pitti finally removes gtk+1.2 | 09:41 | |
| seb128 | pitti: waouh! | 09:42 |
| pitti | seems that nobody ran process-removals for some time | 09:42 |
| pitti | seb128: hmm, eel2 got removed in Debian | 09:44 |
| pitti | ROM; obsolete, no rdeps, now in nautilus | 09:45 |
| seb128 | pitti: right, we got it off the CD in jaunty | 09:45 |
| pitti | still being used by g-c-c and libnautilus-burn | 09:45 |
| seb128 | g-c-c ?! | 09:45 |
| pitti | and three universe packages | 09:45 |
| pitti | -- karmic/main build deps on libeel2-dev: | 09:45 |
| pitti | gnome-control-center | 09:45 |
| seb128 | that's a mistake | 09:45 |
| pitti | seb128: anyway, I'll keep it for now | 09:46 |
| seb128 | rdpends lists n-c-b too but that's a mistake too | 09:46 |
| pitti | we'll do another process-removal run | 09:46 |
| seb128 | ok | 09:46 |
| pitti | seb128: or want me to kill it now as a kind of reminder? :-) | 09:46 |
| seb128 | I would not mind you doing that | 09:47 |
| pitti | "oops", it's gone :) | 09:47 |
| seb128 | I've karmic sources there and there is only 3 rdepends | 09:47 |
| pitti | yay cruft cleanup | 09:47 |
| seb128 | and I expect 2 of those to be fixed when syncing the second half of the archive | 09:47 |
| pitti | absolutely | 09:47 |
| pitti | they must have fixed it in debian | 09:47 |
| pitti | let's create some breakage | 09:48 |
| seb128 | and g-c-c is just a cruft left in the build-depends | 09:48 |
| pitti | karmic works waaaaay too well right now | 09:48 |
| seb128 | yeah, karmic is boring | 09:48 |
| pitti | well, new kernel+uxa is quite nice, though :) | 09:48 |
| pitti | seb128: okay, process-removals done; I suggest to let that publish (12:00 CEST) and then do a sync run | 09:49 |
| pitti | should get a little further now | 09:49 |
| seb128 | pitti: ok thanks | 09:49 |
| seb128 | pitti: no hurry I expect the buildds are busy for the day | 09:50 |
| pitti | hehe | 09:50 |
| seb128 | the first sync runs yesterday did quite some work | 09:50 |
| pitti | it also cut quite a dent into MoM main.html | 09:50 |
| pitti | ok, so I'll get back to fixing g-p-m 2.26.1 | 09:50 |
| pitti | and then I'll look into DK-disks and gnome-disk-tool | 09:51 |
| * pitti is in crack & breakage mood today | 09:51 | |
| crevette | yeah | 09:52 |
| chrisccoulson | we're getting g-p-m 2.26.1 this cycle are we? | 09:52 |
| * crevette wants to have a broken distro | 09:53 | |
| * chrisccoulson gives crevette a large hammer | 09:53 | |
| pitti | crevette: that's my plan anyway | 09:53 |
| crevette | :) | 09:53 |
| pitti | crevette: likewise, gnome-mount/hal -> gnome-disk-tool/dk-disks | 09:53 |
| crevette | I didn't switch to karmic yet | 09:53 |
| crevette | gnome-mount is superseded by gnome-disk-tool | 09:54 |
| pitti | erm, chrisccoulson: that's my plan anyway | 09:54 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - nice:) | 09:54 |
| * crevette is lagging behind for new gnome technology | 09:54 | |
| pitti | I'm running gpm/dk-power here, but it has some small problems | 09:54 |
| chrisccoulson | what sort of problems? i know the newer g-p-m has proper consolekit support so doesn't try to do actions on the inactive VT | 09:55 |
| chrisccoulson | should fix an annoying bug i have where i press the power button on my machine and the shutdown dialog appears on all user sessions | 09:55 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: it doesn't suspend when I close the lid | 09:57 |
| pitti | other than that, it seems to work fine | 09:57 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: weird, I thought that problem was gone ages ago | 09:57 |
| seb128 | pitti: gnome bug #573826 | 09:58 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - my power button produces a HAL event on the system bus rather than going through X, so all running instances of g-p-m get the event and respond to it | 09:58 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 573826 in general "gdu volume monitor" [Normal,Assigned] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573826 | 09:58 |
| seb128 | too | 09:58 |
| seb128 | pitti: I expect they will land it upstream in 2.27 | 09:58 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - what sort of event does your lid button produce? | 09:58 |
| pitti | seb128: you are a bug machine | 09:58 |
| seb128 | lol | 09:58 |
| seb128 | I spend too much time working on bugs indeed ;-) | 09:59 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, for that; thanks (I thought you referred to the lid issue) | 09:59 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: what kind of events? I'll watch g-p-m in debug mode | 09:59 |
| seb128 | pitti: no, sorry for the confusion | 09:59 |
| pitti | seb128: your's is for gvfs hal->dk, isn't it? | 10:00 |
| seb128 | pitti: yes, it was a reply to your dk-disks comment | 10:00 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - if your lid button produces a hal event, then it won't work in g-p-m 2.26.x unless you built it with --enable-legacy-buttons | 10:04 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: indeed, pressing the power button doesn't do anything either | 10:07 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I just get hal events, but nothing in g-p-m | 10:08 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - i just get HAL events too. the new g-p-m doesn't support those unless you enable the support explicitly. that should probably be enabled in karmic until all hotkey support has gone from HAL | 10:26 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: ah, I'll have a look at this | 10:31 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - the stuff you're interested in is in src/gpm-button.c | 10:32 |
| chrisccoulson | all the hal stuff is conditionally compiled with #ifdef HAVE_LEGACY_BUTTONS | 10:33 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: right, so that would require a DK-acpi or something such | 10:33 |
| crevette | so to understand the big picture hal is being deprecated to DeviceKit? | 10:34 |
| chrisccoulson | the comments in there suggest that hotkey support is being removed from HAL and they will all produce keypress events through X | 10:34 |
| seb128 | pitti: CEST is european time right? | 10:35 |
| seb128 | pitti: ie still half an hour to wait for this publisher run? | 10:35 |
| pitti | seb128: right | 10:36 |
| seb128 | thanks | 10:36 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: many thanks, testing now | 10:36 |
| crevette | CEST is our time | 10:39 |
| crevette | mere frenchies | 10:39 |
| crevette | and all the countries around (to not appear selfish) | 10:40 |
| crevette | :) | 10:40 |
| seb128 | crevette: right, what I though and has been confirmed, "european time" | 10:42 |
| crevette | sorry I'm lagging | 10:43 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: hm, doesn't seem to help :/ | 10:44 |
| seb128 | mvo: ok, I've update-notifier buggy again | 10:44 |
| seb128 | mvo: it opens update-manager every time I do an apt-get install | 10:44 |
| mvo | seb128: please keep it in that state | 10:46 |
| seb128 | mvo: ok | 10:46 |
| mvo | seb128: I need to for for lunch, after afterwards I would love to diagnose it | 10:46 |
| seb128 | mvo: ok, I'm not touching the box until after lunch | 10:46 |
| seb128 | or rather letting that in state ;-) | 10:46 |
| seb128 | I will do bug triage now | 10:46 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: ah, nevermind, working perfectly; was just my docking station going mad at me | 10:49 |
| seb128 | pitti: I know you already did SRU yesterday but it would be nice if you could review libical today | 10:49 |
| seb128 | pitti: we have quite some users annoyed by evolution hanging or crashing | 10:49 |
| seb128 | the change should be easy enough to review | 10:50 |
| pitti | seb128: I will (I need to do SRU daily these times anyway) | 10:50 |
| seb128 | thanks! | 10:50 |
| pitti | well, I do it right now; g-p-m isn't that urgent | 10:50 |
| pitti | seb128: can you please dupe some real bug reports to bug 368508, to get some affected users subscribed, and to underline the necessity for SRU? | 10:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 368508 in libical "don't crash on incorrect values or errors" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/368508 | 10:55 |
| seb128 | pitti: I plan to add comments on the stack of evo bugs when it's accepted | 10:56 |
| seb128 | to ask people to try this change | 10:56 |
| pitti | okay | 10:56 |
| seb128 | I don't want to dup since the other ones a still bugs | 10:56 |
| seb128 | they will not lead to crashes but should still be fixed | 10:56 |
| seb128 | a -> are | 10:56 |
| pitti | if you ask them to give feedback on this one, that's okay | 10:56 |
| pitti | (accepted) | 10:57 |
| seb128 | ok, commenting now | 10:58 |
| pitti | seb128: since bug 363169 is not a regression, I'm nervous about it for SRU; it might uncover other bugs in the new functionality | 10:58 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 363169 in libxklavier "libxklavier is built without XInput support" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/363169 | 10:58 |
| seb128 | pitti: the bug submitter is upstream and the code path different is some 7-8 lines | 10:58 |
| seb128 | pitti: it's just a callback called on new device detection | 10:59 |
| pitti | right, but that hasn't been tested properly? | 10:59 |
| seb128 | pitti: and it has been tested in other distros | 10:59 |
| seb128 | pitti: well, I don't feel strongly about it, just upstream has been pushy to get it sru-ed | 10:59 |
| pitti | well, it's not a regression, and not at all a major bug, so it needs some more convincing to become an SRU | 11:00 |
| seb128 | and we have some user complaining about keyboard settings being dropped after suspend etc | 11:00 |
| seb128 | it's a "annoying bug" | 11:00 |
| seb128 | it reset your keyboard settings in some cases where xorg redetect the device | 11:00 |
| seb128 | but I'm fine waiting a bit to have karmic feedback or debian one | 11:00 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - it's good that works now:) | 11:01 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: now I just need to find out how to repair the notify-osd patch, then it's all good | 11:03 |
| chrisccoulson | i've not seen that patch. is it quite big? | 11:03 |
| pitti | it's in the bzr tree | 11:03 |
| pitti | shouldn't be too hard to port | 11:04 |
| seb128 | re | 11:05 |
| seb128 | pitti: I would not have sru-ed to fix the issue only since I think it's a minor one too, I'm trying to not make manage upstream there but if want to put it on hold fine with me too | 11:06 |
| pitti | mvo: lots of people still have trouble in bug 257639 | 11:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 257639 in packagekit "E: The package cache file is corrupted E: _cache->open() failed, please report." [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/257639 | 11:35 |
| glatzor | servus pitti and mvo, as a work around we could disable the update cache of packagekit | 11:40 |
| glatzor | this would require a backport of f876a76737e504fca161f075bd0d1b8ba386cb75 and setting the corresponding configuration option | 11:40 |
| glatzor | if we disable the internal update cache of packagekit there would be no need for the apt post-update script anymore | 11:41 |
| pitti | hey glatzor, wie gehts? | 11:42 |
| glatzor | pitti, oh, work time consumes a lot of my life currently - so could be better. and yourself? | 11:43 |
| pitti | glatzor: pretty good, thanks; looking forward to karmic breakage :) | 11:43 |
| asac | mvo: are "restart required" notifications still done in tray or by a pop up in jaunty? | 11:50 |
| seb128 | asac: dialog auto opening | 11:51 |
| asac | ah ... so thats why users complain about getting that without seeing the in-firefox notification | 11:51 |
| james_w | asac: if I have an empty .mozilla/extensions/\{ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384\}/ does that mean ubufox is disabled? | 11:55 |
| asac | mvo: i have http://paste.ubuntu.com/160607/ in /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/firefox-3.0-restart-required ... nothing happens at all | 11:55 |
| asac | james_w: check in tools -> addons ... search for "Ubuntu Firefox ..." | 11:55 |
| glatzor | pitti, mvo: sorry for not thinking about this. but we could delay the packagekit statehaschanged action quite easily | 11:55 |
| james_w | asac: that's my old profile | 11:55 |
| * pitti merges the 73177 line diff of g-p-m dk branch to the ubuntu branch, *ugh* | 11:55 | |
| james_w | asac: going back to that might lose my tabs again :-) | 11:56 |
| mvo | glatzor: do you have a diff to look at? | 11:56 |
| glatzor | pitti, mvo: we could raise PK_ENGINE_STATE_CHANGED_PRIORITY_TIMEOUT in src/pk-engine.c | 11:57 |
| mvo | asac: have yu touched /var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp ? | 11:57 |
| asac | james_w: not sure that i get what you mean ;) | 11:57 |
| james_w | asac: it claims to be enabled | 11:57 |
| asac | james_w: and touching the file doesnt display the in-firefox notification ? | 11:57 |
| asac | mvo: since when do i need to do that? | 11:58 |
| mvo | asac: its done automatically by apt if you install the package | 11:58 |
| mvo | asac: but if you just do local testing, then its needed | 11:58 |
| asac | mvo: i just raun --reinstall firefox-3.0 | 11:58 |
| james_w | asac: it does this time | 11:58 |
| mvo | asac: hm, that should work, give me a sec to check | 11:58 |
| asac | mvo: touched both a few times ... nothing changes. | 11:59 |
| asac | james_w: so maybe you didnt see that when it happened? | 11:59 |
| james_w | asac: what happened was that I installed today's upgrades, and firefox stopped working properly in the middle as usual. After a while I noticed the update-notifier dialog, closed that, went to firefox, and there was no banner. So I just hit the X in the top right and then started firefox again. | 12:00 |
| asac | james_w: anyway. there are still bugs with upgrading even with this in-firefox notification ... so with some bad luck you might loose tabs on upgrade - unfortunately | 12:00 |
| mvo | asac: hm, seems to work for me, could you please run "update-notifier --debug-hooks" ? it will spit out quite a bit of output | 12:00 |
| asac | omg | 12:00 |
| asac | lol | 12:00 |
| asac | mvo: update-notifier --debug-hooks | 12:00 |
| asac | The program 'update-notifier' can be found in the following packages: * update-notifier | 12:00 |
| mvo | glatzor: if that is not used for other stuff, I'm fine with changing that timeout. but I wonder why the other fix does not help, it should have the same effect | 12:01 |
| mvo | asac: ;) | 12:01 |
| mvo | seb128: could it be that you have pending security updates? | 12:02 |
| seb128 | mvo: how do I check that? | 12:02 |
| mvo | seb128: u-m should display those on top of the updates list | 12:03 |
| seb128 | mvo: no I don't then | 12:03 |
| asac | oh goodness. thats really bad (popping up the window :)) | 12:04 |
| mvo | pitti: sorry if that is a stupid question, but if I sru compiz-fusion-plugins-unsupported to jaunty-proposed, will it be poket copied or something like this? | 12:04 |
| seb128 | asac: talk to mpt but I think some people complained already ;-) | 12:04 |
| mvo | asac: ... | 12:04 |
| mvo | asac: you are just not the target user | 12:04 |
| asac | maybe that was the reason i didnt have update-notifier installed anymore ;)? | 12:04 |
| asac | damn | 12:05 |
| mvo | there is a gconf key to get the previous behavior back | 12:05 |
| asac | well. we have a notification in firefox if you have ubufox | 12:05 |
| asac | so that shouldnt be displayed at all on default installs | 12:05 |
| asac | guess i have to make the DisplayIf: smarter | 12:05 |
| asac | mvo: how is the kapturl going? i still cannot require kubuntu to install ubufox due to that dependency ;) | 12:06 |
| mvo | seb128: hm, hm. what is the value of /apps/update-manager/launch-time for you (in gconf)? | 12:06 |
| mvo | asac: I don't know :) hacking a bit qt would be fun I guess | 12:06 |
| seb128 | mvo: | 12:06 |
| seb128 | $ LC_ALL=C gconftool -g /apps/update-manager/launch-time | 12:06 |
| seb128 | No value set for `/apps/update-manager/launch-time' | 12:07 |
| mvo | asac: the code is nicely seperated now | 12:07 |
| mvo | launch_time (sorry) | 12:07 |
| asac | mvo: the idea would be to not use synaptic | 12:07 |
| seb128 | mvo: launch_time = 1241003015 | 12:07 |
| seb128 | if that's what you meant | 12:07 |
| asac | mvo: could apturl just not use synaptic? | 12:07 |
| mvo | asac: it does, but it still needs a little bit of frontend cod | 12:07 |
| mvo | e | 12:07 |
| asac | mvo: well. if thats just gtk it would be ok i guess | 12:08 |
| asac | firefox requires gtk anyway | 12:08 |
| asac | gnome-app-install, | 12:09 |
| asac | gnome-icon-theme | 12:09 |
| asac | why does apturl depend on that icon theme? | 12:09 |
| asac | synaptic | 12:09 |
| mvo | seb128: hm, that time looks very valid | 12:11 |
| seb128 | ** (update-notifier:4981): DEBUG: /usr/lib/update-notifier/apt-check returned 116 (security: 2) | 12:12 |
| seb128 | (update-notifier:4981): update-DEBUG: is_package_system_locked: 0 | 12:12 |
| seb128 | (update-notifier:4981): update-DEBUG: update_apt_is_running: 0 | 12:12 |
| seb128 | (update-notifier:4981): inotify-DEBUG: apt_get_running=TRUE | 12:12 |
| seb128 | (update-notifier:4981): inotify-DEBUG: apt_get_running=TRUE | 12:12 |
| seb128 | (update-notifier:4981): inotify-DEBUG: dpkg_was_run=TRUE | 12:12 |
| seb128 | (update-notifier:4981): inotify-DEBUG: dpkg_was_run=TRUE | 12:12 |
| mvo | seb128: what does /usr/lib/update-notifier/apt-check print ? | 12:12 |
| seb128 | (update-notifier:4981): update-DEBUG: update_check() | 12:12 |
| seb128 | mvo: that's the debug log | 12:12 |
| seb128 | so it says security 2 | 12:12 |
| seb128 | but there is none listed in update-manager | 12:12 |
| seb128 | and still I would not expect it to auto open after each install | 12:12 |
| mvo | seb128: yes the security ones would explain it | 12:13 |
| mvo | seb128: well, yeah, that sucks | 12:13 |
| seb128 | what is the code logic for security = 2? | 12:13 |
| seb128 | ie how can I get those 2 names ? | 12:14 |
| seb128 | update-manager lists none | 12:14 |
| mvo | seb128: the logic is in /usr/lib/update-notifier/apt-check | 12:14 |
| mvo | seb128: try adding a print into isSecurityUpgrade() before the "return True" please | 12:15 |
| seb128 | let me add debug print there | 12:15 |
| seb128 | ok | 12:17 |
| seb128 | it's freetype | 12:17 |
| seb128 | 2.3.9-4.1 0 | 12:17 |
| seb128 | 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com karmic/main Packages | 12:17 |
| seb128 | 2.3.9-4ubuntu0.1 0 | 12:17 |
| seb128 | 500 http://security.ubuntu.com jaunty-security/main Packages | 12:17 |
| seb128 | 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com jaunty-updates/main Packages | 12:17 |
| seb128 | *** 2.3.9-4build1 0 | 12:17 |
| seb128 | 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status | 12:17 |
| seb128 | so update-manager lists the karmic version | 12:17 |
| seb128 | which is a standard upgrade | 12:17 |
| seb128 | but update-notifier still count the security one | 12:17 |
| pitti | mvo: we can, but it would clash with the version number in Debian | 12:18 |
| pitti | mvo: so we won't | 12:18 |
| mvo | pitti: I mean the new one with -1ubuntu1 (sorry for the version number bogus) | 12:18 |
| mvo | seb128: let me check if I can reproduce it | 12:19 |
| pitti | mvo: we can do that, yes | 12:19 |
| mvo | pitti: thanks, I update the bugreport and ask for this then | 12:19 |
| seb128 | mvo: still my issue is that security upgrade or not it should stop auto open at each apt command | 12:20 |
| seb128 | mvo: didn't we decide that manual apt run would tell it that user want to do things manually? | 12:20 |
| seb128 | ie that it should not autostart at all? | 12:21 |
| mvo | seb128: well, the spec says it should auto-open on security updates | 12:22 |
| seb128 | every time I use apt? | 12:23 |
| mvo | seb128: yeah, it sucks, I'm not sure what is the right answer, maybe have a minimal nag interval | 12:23 |
| seb128 | that's ridiculous ... | 12:23 |
| mvo | seb128: every time there is a security update | 12:23 |
| seb128 | well, there is a security update, I know about it | 12:23 |
| seb128 | but I'm using apt to do some work | 12:23 |
| mvo | I'm not defending this behavior, just saying why its there | 12:23 |
| mvo | and I want it changed too | 12:23 |
| seb128 | well I though the timestamp thing was to not to that | 12:23 |
| seb128 | ie not auto-open if users are using apt manually? | 12:24 |
| mvo | I'm just not sure yet how | 12:24 |
| seb128 | I though we said that auto-opening was for luser who don't use the package manager and should be doing their upgrades | 12:24 |
| mvo | the apt timestamp stuff is only used for non-security updates, security updates are handled special | 12:24 |
| seb128 | but that we would not annoy people who are using command line tools | 12:24 |
| seb128 | hum, k | 12:24 |
| mvo | IMO its already way too much magic | 12:25 |
| seb128 | is that a design team issue? | 12:25 |
| seb128 | ie should I talk to mpt? | 12:25 |
| seb128 | or is that a code bug? | 12:25 |
| mvo | please file a bug | 12:25 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure what would be right | 12:25 |
| mvo | I think I still need to tlak to mpt what he thinks should be done | 12:25 |
| seb128 | but auto-opening update-manager every 5 minutes while I'm working is not right ;-) | 12:25 |
| seb128 | ok will do | 12:25 |
| seb128 | thanks | 12:26 |
| mvo | seb128: just install those two security updates ;) | 12:26 |
| mvo | seb128: I agree | 12:26 |
| seb128 | I guess that one is really a corner case | 12:26 |
| seb128 | right, I would have if they were listed as security updates :-p | 12:26 |
| seb128 | I did enable karmic | 12:26 |
| mvo | seb128: it is, u-m should still display them as security updates, I'm checking now why it does not | 12:26 |
| seb128 | and I don't want to upgrade the hundred packages there | 12:26 |
| mvo | seb128: it shoudl be clever enough to get it right | 12:26 |
| seb128 | mvo: it displays the karmic version which is never | 12:26 |
| seb128 | newer | 12:26 |
| seb128 | which makes sense | 12:27 |
| mvo | seb128: i.e. to detect that its karmic but there is a security thing in between, so there is a bug somewhere | 12:27 |
| seb128 | well it's just that update-manager lists the most recent version | 12:27 |
| seb128 | which makes sense | 12:27 |
| mvo | seb128: one obvous solution would be to only auto-start on new security updates, but that would require some persistant knowledge in u-n that it currently does not have (and until now not needed) | 12:27 |
| seb128 | but maybe update-notifier should not count the security update in that case | 12:28 |
| mvo | seb128: yeah, I will fix this bug now, the other too when I got some input from the designers | 12:28 |
| asac | who could copy xulrunner-1.9 from jaunty-security (1.9.0.10+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.9.04.1) to karmic? just pitti or all archive admins? | 12:36 |
| mvo | seb128: aha, I know why it does not list freetype as a security update, give me a min and I fix it in karmic (only affects people with karmic sources) | 12:37 |
| pitti | asac: any archive admin | 12:40 |
| pitti | asac: done | 12:41 |
| asac | pitti: thanks. | 12:44 |
| asac | (oops.. didnt mean to include nick) | 12:44 |
| mvo | seb128: do you have a bugnumber yet? | 13:04 |
| mvo | seb128: or should I file it | 13:04 |
| seb128 | mvo: bug #369198 | 13:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 369198 in update-notifier "update-manager auto-opened after each apt use when security updates available" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/369198 | 13:07 |
| mvo | thanks seb128 | 13:07 |
| seb128 | grr, managed to open twice by reclicking on launchpad being slow | 13:07 |
| seb128 | closing dup | 13:07 |
| seb128 | mvo: you're welcome | 13:07 |
| === crevette__ is now known as crevette | ||
| pitti | kenvandine_wk: hm, I now put some 5 MB of data into ~/u1; the icon keeps spinning (i. e. syncing) for almost half an hour now; that's the slow performance you already noticed/reported? | 14:36 |
| kenvandine_wk | not quite that bad | 14:37 |
| kenvandine_wk | look at the log, ~/.cache/ubuntuone/logs/ | 14:37 |
| pitti | kenvandine_wk: I reported some 5 bugs today, but it's mostly working now | 14:37 |
| kenvandine_wk | good | 14:37 |
| kenvandine_wk | thx | 14:37 |
| kenvandine_wk | i uploaded 2.4G since last night :) | 14:37 |
| pitti | kenvandine_wk: lots of "called nothign"/"starting" cycles | 14:37 |
| kenvandine_wk | only reported one bug today | 14:37 |
| kenvandine_wk | how many files? | 14:38 |
| pitti | kenvandine_wk: oh, I thought we had something like a 2MB quota | 14:38 |
| pitti | well, it's my entire latex folder | 14:38 |
| kenvandine_wk | 2G | 14:38 |
| pitti | $ find ~/latex -type f| wc -l | 14:38 |
| pitti | 310 | 14:38 |
| pitti | that shouldn't be too bad | 14:38 |
| kenvandine_wk | i have done 1248 files since last night | 14:39 |
| kenvandine_wk | 13 hours | 14:39 |
| kenvandine_wk | 2.4G | 14:39 |
| pitti | so I think it's rather a question of numbers of files than total size | 14:39 |
| ember | pitti: sorry about brasero SRU, the bugfix fixed quite a lot of lp bugs and sj ones. | 14:44 |
| pitti | ember: np, I didn't complain :) | 14:44 |
| mpt | mvo, using apt is supposed to *suppress* the updates window, not make it come up instantly :-) | 14:44 |
| tseliot | seb128: is there going to be a 2.26.2 release of gnome? | 14:45 |
| seb128 | tseliot: yes but I doubt we will get everything in jaunty | 14:46 |
| seb128 | it's not a lts | 14:46 |
| seb128 | there is a .2 and .3 | 14:46 |
| ember | pitti: cool, i have one more bugfix left with already verification done bug #345166 | 14:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 345166 in tomboy "Tomboy tries to load fuse module in Jaunty...and can't" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/345166 | 14:46 |
| tseliot | seb128: ok then I think we can include my patch with an SRU while upstream can include it in either .2 or .3 | 14:47 |
| seb128 | tseliot: right | 14:47 |
| seb128 | tseliot: the bug is an upstream one? | 14:48 |
| tseliot | seb128: yes, it is, I caused it. A 5 lines patch should solve it | 14:48 |
| * tseliot is recompiling gnome-desktop | 14:49 | |
| seb128 | tseliot: ok thanks | 14:49 |
| mvo | mpt: I changed update-notifier now to show security updates at most once every N hours (current N is set to 12h, but any value will do) | 14:49 |
| tseliot | seb128: BTW I have a gnome account now, which means that I can upload to the gnome svn (or is it git now?) but I think I'll need my changes to be approved first, right? | 14:50 |
| seb128 | tseliot: correct | 14:50 |
| pitti | tseliot: wow, congrats | 14:50 |
| seb128 | tseliot: you need to have a maintainer setting your patch "accept-commit" | 14:50 |
| mpt | mvo, thanks | 14:50 |
| tseliot | pitti: thanks :-) | 14:51 |
| seb128 | you could technical commit but that would bad taste ;-) | 14:51 |
| seb128 | +be | 14:51 |
| seb128 | ie better to wait for a review and ack | 14:51 |
| mvo | mpt: should this be a SRU? its currently only available in karmic? | 14:51 |
| tseliot | seb128: yes, of course. I think I can bug federico about it ;) | 14:51 |
| mpt | mvo, I don't know. How many people use apt outside of synaptic/g-a-i/update-manager, and how often? | 14:52 |
| * dobey uses apt a lot | 14:52 | |
| dobey | :) | 14:52 |
| mvo | mpt: I suspect its a bit of a corner case, it only happens if there are pending security updates that have not been installed | 14:53 |
| mvo | mpt: so its currently a over agressive nag | 14:53 |
| mpt | yeah | 14:53 |
| seb128 | mpt: the people who use apt often are the people you don't want to annoy too much | 14:53 |
| mvo | I will mointor the bugs and decide based on that I think | 14:53 |
| mpt | seb128, I was just about to say exactly the same thing :-) | 14:54 |
| Ampelbein | seb128: regarding gnome-vfs: why did we drop the quilt build-dependency? | 14:54 |
| seb128 | Ampelbein: probably because I don't like to use quilt but you can keep it while doing the merge I don't expect active work on gnome-vfs | 14:55 |
| Ampelbein | seb128: how can one not like quilt? ;-) | 14:56 |
| seb128 | Ampelbein: cdbs-edit-patch autoreconf; autoreconf; rm cache; exit | 14:56 |
| pitti | Ampelbein: ever tried to do a 99autoreconf.patch with quilt? | 14:56 |
| Ampelbein | find * | xargs quilt add ? | 14:57 |
| seb128 | Ampelbein: export QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches; quilt push otherchange; quilt new autoreconf; find . -name | xargs add ...; autoreconf; quilt refresh; quilt pop; debuild | 14:57 |
| seb128 | Ampelbein: see which one is easier? ;-) | 14:57 |
| seb128 | Ampelbein: same with "drop a svn diff in the patches directory" | 14:57 |
| tseliot | seb128: my patch works :-) | 14:58 |
| pitti | quilt add sucks rocks through a needle, in general it's quite okay | 14:58 |
| seb128 | not to mention the "ups I forgot to quilt add something, how to I undo ... remove directory start from scratch" | 14:58 |
| pitti | bzr looms are better for that | 14:58 |
| Ampelbein | seb128, pitti ok, i see your point. | 14:58 |
| seb128 | tseliot: you rock! | 14:58 |
| pitti | Ampelbein: I'm quite okay with quilt, but this particular bit drives me mad :) | 14:59 |
| asac | dropping the change to not create patches link on top level was a fault imo | 15:01 |
| asac | adding the change ;) | 15:01 |
| asac | it was done in debian because of new source format ... which i never understood :) | 15:01 |
| asac | (all about quilt ;)) | 15:02 |
| pitti | $ devkit-disks --mount /devices/sdb1 | 15:17 |
| pitti | Mounted /devices/sdb1 at /media/Pitti USB | 15:17 |
| pitti | yohoo | 15:17 |
| mvo | glatzor: is PK acting on more than the update-list signal? is it also monitoring other files. I wonder why the fix for #257639 is not working | 15:18 |
| pitti | dobey: out of interest, what does U1 use hal for? | 15:23 |
| dobey | hal? | 15:23 |
| pitti | dobey: ubuntuone-storage-protocol and -client depend on it | 15:24 |
| dobey | oh, the apport hook used it, but it doesn't any more, so we could remove that explicit dep i guess | 15:24 |
| pitti | ah, splendid | 15:24 |
| pitti | dobey: I'll file a bug | 15:24 |
| pitti | dobey: thanks | 15:25 |
| dobey | sure | 15:25 |
| glatzor | mvo, no. there is only one further trigger which also emits the StatusHasChagned signal after resuming the computer | 15:31 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine_wk: I have the U1 client working, how do I share stuff and what not? | 15:46 |
| pitti | hey rickspencer3 | 15:46 |
| rickspencer3 | hi pitti | 15:46 |
| rickspencer3 | nice to see you guys | 15:46 |
| * pitti didn't figure out sharing yet either, the "share" button is grayed out for me in the web ui | 15:46 | |
| seb128 | hello rickspencer3 | 15:48 |
| rickspencer3 | hi seb128 | 15:48 |
| * rickspencer3 copying all my work documents into my U1 folder | 15:49 | |
| kenvandine_wk | rickspencer3: i think you can only share a top level | 15:49 |
| kenvandine_wk | that is all i have done so far | 15:49 |
| kenvandine_wk | i am syncing a load of crap now... so don't want to mess with it until it is done | 15:50 |
| kenvandine_wk | i have been syncing photos all night :) | 15:50 |
| kenvandine_wk | and not a single traceback! | 15:50 |
| kenvandine_wk | but it is saturating my uplink... sp my internets are slow :/ | 15:50 |
| rickspencer3 | hey! | 15:51 |
| kenvandine_wk | hopefully that will be done by the time i finish my openweek session... which starts in 9m | 15:51 |
| rickspencer3 | someone shared files with me, and it's not pr0n! | 15:51 |
| kenvandine_wk | haha | 15:51 |
| kenvandine_wk | rickspencer3: disappointed? | 15:51 |
| kenvandine_wk | :) | 15:51 |
| rickspencer3 | actually, there is a folder called "spanky" in there in | 15:52 |
| * rickspencer3 afraid to look | 15:52 | |
| kenvandine_wk | hehe | 15:52 |
| seb128 | mvo: could you look at bug #369282? | 15:53 |
| pitti | -rwxr-xr-x root/root 161368 2009-04-29 16:50 ./usr/bin/palimpsest | 15:53 |
| pitti | WTH | 15:53 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 369282 in gnome-games "gnome-games gives an error while upgrading" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/369282 | 15:53 |
| pitti | to your native English speakers, how would you denote "palimsest"? | 15:53 |
| mclasen | ...psest | 16:00 |
| mclasen | missing a p there | 16:00 |
| pitti | right, sorry | 16:01 |
| pitti | never heard the term before, and dict.leo.org is quite useless | 16:01 |
| Amaranth | pitti: Isn't it a made up word? | 16:02 |
| mclasen | its a bit medieval... | 16:02 |
| mclasen | its a name for a document that has been written over several times | 16:03 |
| mclasen | like monks used to do | 16:03 |
| mpt | It's not a common word | 16:03 |
| * Amaranth wonders what that has to do with audio mixing | 16:03 | |
| mclasen | Amaranth: nothing. but disk (re-)formatting is in some sense analogous to what those monks used to do | 16:07 |
| Amaranth | oh, I thought that was the name of the pulseaudio mixer | 16:07 |
| Amaranth | is that the gnome-disk-utility thing using devicekit? | 16:07 |
| mclasen | yes | 16:08 |
| pitbullthe1st_ | whats this channel for? (Sorry for being dumb) | 16:09 |
| mpt | pitbullthe1st_, discussing the development of most of the graphical bits in Ubuntu | 16:11 |
| tseliot | seb128: my patch is in the gnome bugzilla: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=580754 | 16:11 |
| glatzor | mvo, have you found a way to reproduce the error? | 16:12 |
| pitbullthe1st_ | O ok so not for non coders like me then | 16:12 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 580754 in libgnome-desktop "Gnome desktop should re-use the previous screen size when needs_reprobe=FALSE" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 16:12 |
| pitbullthe1st_ | thanks | 16:12 |
| seb128 | tseliot: thanks | 16:12 |
| mpt | pitbullthe1st_, for the non-graphical bits, see #ubuntu-devel. For Kubuntu, see #kubuntu-devel. For user suppport, see #ubuntu. | 16:12 |
| pitbullthe1st_ | ok thanks | 16:12 |
| mclasen | tseliot: federico and I fixed exactly that bug last night... | 16:13 |
| glatzor | mvo, a simple "os.fork() | 16:14 |
| glatzor | c = apt.Cache()" seems to work without any problems | 16:14 |
| mvo | glatzor: I have not :/ I was even doing a "while True: c = apt.Cache()" in parallel with a few tasks without luck | 16:14 |
| mvo | seb128: woah, that bug is pretty impressive | 16:15 |
| seb128 | mvo: you think so? ;-) | 16:16 |
| tseliot | mclasen: do you refer to this? http://git.gnome.org/cgit/gnome-desktop/commit/?id=3f811a611185a3bdbb6b6d4c19590bd26ae1dc82 | 16:16 |
| mclasen | tseliot: yes | 16:16 |
| tseliot | mclasen: it's not enough. Because you still don't have the information that you need and you'll get a screen size which is 0 x 0 | 16:17 |
| tseliot | mclasen: believe me, I caused the bug and I know how to fix it ;) | 16:18 |
| mclasen | tseliot: well, what I committed certainly fixed my symptoms | 16:18 |
| seb128 | mclasen: do you have your change applied? | 16:19 |
| seb128 | mclasen: can you try to change to a lower resolution, ack the change, and try to change back to higher one | 16:19 |
| seb128 | without closing the capplet between the changes | 16:19 |
| dobey | mvo: i am having some weird behavior with apturl... | 16:19 |
| mclasen | no, my laptop claims to only support one resolution... | 16:19 |
| tseliot | mclasen: how can you get the right information without calling XRRGetScreenSizeRange() ? | 16:19 |
| seb128 | mclasen: ok, I will try later thanks anyway ;-) | 16:20 |
| mclasen | tseliot: the right ranges are already in the GnomeRRScreen struct | 16:20 |
| dobey | mvo: if i add a ppa in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/foo.list or something, and then do xdg-open "apt://package-in-new-ppa?refresh=yes" it doesn't work, but if i immediately do the xdg-open a second time, it works... like it's not re-reading the cache properly or something | 16:21 |
| mclasen | tseliot: but federico thought that some other fixes might be necessary; so it is probably best to discuss that with him | 16:21 |
| mvo | seb128: I wonder if its something like a wubi install or an other strange FS | 16:21 |
| tseliot | mclasen: no, they are no longer there because screen_info_new() calls fill_out_screen_info() with a half-empty GnomeRRScreen struct | 16:21 |
| tseliot | mclasen: sure, I'll bug him ;) | 16:22 |
| mclasen | not in my case... | 16:22 |
| seb128 | mvo: feel free to ask on the bug ;-) | 16:22 |
| mvo | dobey: oh, let me check the code. that might be possible that there is a bug there | 16:22 |
| mvo | seb128: I did and reassigned to you as its cleary a gtk bug | 16:22 |
| * seb128 hugs mvo | 16:22 | |
| mvo | seb128: :P no, reassigned to dpkg | 16:22 |
| dobey | mvo: yeah i'm looking at the code, but i don't really understand it :) | 16:22 |
| seb128 | did I say that we need an installation issues component? ;-) | 16:22 |
| seb128 | mvo: danke | 16:23 |
| mvo | its called "dpkg" | 16:23 |
| * mvo hides | 16:23 | |
| mvo | and we really need someone deeply faimilar with it | 16:23 |
| seb128 | let's make Keybuk be responsive for this one and all the bugs there ;-) | 16:23 |
| mvo | dobey: yep, thanks for the report, fixing it now | 16:24 |
| * Keybuk looks forward to how you intend to make him responsive <g> | 16:24 | |
| * mvo gets some popcorn | 16:24 | |
| dobey | mvo: great! any chance we can get a release/update too? :) | 16:25 |
| mvo | dobey: yes, I just need a bug about it | 16:25 |
| dobey | mvo: ok, will file | 16:25 |
| mvo | dobey: the fix is pretty trivial | 16:25 |
| * seb128 sends the german mafia to convince Keybuk | 16:25 | |
| seb128 | mvo: you are in charge of that now ;-) | 16:26 |
| * mvo starts making weeping noises | 16:26 | |
| dobey | Wenn ist das Nunstruck git und Slotermeyer? | 16:30 |
| Keybuk | dobey: Ja! .. Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput. | 16:31 |
| mvo | lol | 16:32 |
| dobey | heh | 16:33 |
| dobey | mvo: bug #369324 | 16:34 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/369324/+text) | 16:35 |
| mvo | dobey: thanks | 16:38 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, I have posted a new SRU for system-config-printer, bug 365329. Can you approve it? Thanks. | 16:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 365329 in system-config-printer "HP LaserJet P1005 (using hplip) fails to print in 8.04 and 9.04" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365329 | 16:54 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: does it really need to be fixed in three packages, or are the other package tasks invalid? | 17:14 |
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| crevette | seb128, would you be interested with gnome-bluetooth 2.27.x ? | 17:39 |
| seb128 | crevette: for karmic yes | 17:40 |
| crevette | seb128, of course, how should I do to replace bluez-gnome in the package ? | 17:41 |
| crevette | just Replace ? | 17:41 |
| seb128 | Replaces is for when there is file conflicts | 17:41 |
| seb128 | I though they were parallel installable? | 17:41 |
| asac | Conflicts/Replaces/Provides | 17:41 |
| crevette | no | 17:41 |
| seb128 | are you sure? | 17:41 |
| crevette | the binary names are the same | 17:41 |
| crevette | not 100% but around 90% | 17:42 |
| crevette | :) | 17:42 |
| crevette | you can try it for free https://edge.launchpad.net/~bmillemathias/+archive/ppa :) | 17:42 |
| asac | http://wiki.debian.org/Renaming_a_Package | 17:42 |
| seb128 | asac: it's not a rename | 17:42 |
| asac | seb128: if its supposed to replace it ;) | 17:43 |
| seb128 | crevette: they should Conflicts, Replaces | 17:43 |
| seb128 | asac: it's a fork | 17:43 |
| crevette | okay | 17:43 |
| crevette | thanks for the tip | 17:43 |
| asac | seb128: do we still want to support the other package? | 17:43 |
| asac | otherwise you can treat it like a rename packaging wise imo | 17:44 |
| crevette | I would ask to move bluez-gnome to universe, because I don't think it'll wont be updated | 17:44 |
| seb128 | asac: I don't know enough about bluetooth to know | 17:44 |
| asac | k;) | 17:44 |
| seb128 | I think that's on the UDS topic lists though | 17:44 |
| crevette | ah | 17:44 |
| asac | yeah so if both stay in the archive jkust conflicts/replaces and adjusting seeds once we want to change the default i guess | 17:44 |
| crevette | asac, exactly | 17:44 |
| asac | crevette: but why is it necessary to ship conflicting files? | 17:45 |
| crevette | necessary ? | 17:45 |
| crevette | you mean I could change the binary name ? | 17:45 |
| asac | no. just wonder why upstream did that. but guess its just compatibility thing | 17:46 |
| crevette | gnome-bluetooth is a fork and intend to replace bluez-gnome because the upstream developer was not active | 17:46 |
| crevette | https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-bluetooth-stack | 17:47 |
| crevette | asac, you're the guy on irt | 17:47 |
| asac | i know that i somehow ended up there ;) | 17:48 |
| asac | thats why i asked :) | 17:48 |
| crevette | because of conman? | 17:48 |
| crevette | does it fit in the spec ? | 17:48 |
| asac | no clue and no comment ;) | 17:48 |
| crevette | okay | 17:48 |
| asac | i dont think connman needs a spec either ;) | 17:48 |
| crevette | why ubuntu is looking for alternative stack ? | 17:49 |
| seb128 | it's not? | 17:49 |
| asac | well. connman is in the archive. its just not ready for real use ;) | 17:49 |
| asac | i just dont see what a connman spec would contain ;) | 17:49 |
| seb128 | bbl | 17:49 |
| crevette | it used to have affix tack apparently | 17:50 |
| asac | other than "lets try to get latest connman available in karmic " | 17:50 |
| crevette | asac, so back to my package I should use the method B from you rlink ? | 17:51 |
| asac | crevette: for now just create a normal package and set conflicts/replaces on bluez-gnome | 17:52 |
| asac | e.g. dont provide the transitional package | 17:52 |
| crevette | okay, so it's I 've already done in my ppa package | 17:53 |
| crevette | I should also modify gnome-user-share which recommend bluez-gnome | 17:53 |
| asac | crevette: so gnome-bluetooth already exists in jaunty? | 17:54 |
| crevette | If I could have a 30 hours day, 8 hours to do my day boring job, and 8 to do the thing I want | 17:54 |
| asac | apt-cache rdepends gnome-bluetooth | 17:54 |
| asac | oiops;) | 17:54 |
| crevette | asac, yes, but version < 2.xx served for another purpose | 17:54 |
| crevette | it used to be an obex file server, but now it provides tools to manage bluez | 17:55 |
| asac | crevette: what happens to the rdepends? | 17:55 |
| asac | seems to be just gpodder | 17:56 |
| crevette | gpodder should depends on gnome-user-share | 17:56 |
| asac | crevette: is gnome-user-share also changed? | 17:58 |
| crevette | need to | 17:58 |
| asac | crevette: no i mean ... did it get a new upstream purpose ;) ... similar to gnome-bluetooth | 17:59 |
| crevette | ah now, it still a file sharing over WebDAV and bluetooth | 17:59 |
| crevette | s/still/remains/ | 18:00 |
| crevette | the scope could move to something wider but later I think | 18:00 |
| crevette | asac, you're afraid of a moving target? | 18:02 |
| crevette | need to go | 18:03 |
| crevette | byz | 18:03 |
| pitti | kenvandine_wk: ah, welcome back | 18:10 |
| kenvandine_wk | i rebooted before lunch and walked away :) | 18:13 |
| pitti | kenvandine_wk: ah, I was afraid that U1 synced you over into the cloud | 18:13 |
| kenvandine_wk | hehe | 18:13 |
| kenvandine_wk | it seems to have lost 400M of my data somewhere though :) | 18:14 |
| kenvandine_wk | doing a diff now | 18:14 |
| kenvandine_wk | which is very slow for 3G | 18:14 |
| jcastro | didrocks: ~30 minutes until your session! | 18:26 |
| didrocks | jcastro: yes, ready. Thanks! :) | 18:27 |
| * pitti chuckles at gvfs' 90relibtoolize.patch which patches itself | 19:01 | |
| dobey | heh | 19:04 |
| kenvandine_wk | rickspencer3: i just shared something with you... sharing is fixed now btw | 19:13 |
| === racarr_ is now known as racarr | ||
| Ampelbein | seb128: the gnome-vfs merge is taking a bit longer, my guess is i'll be ready in 2-3 hours. my home-dsl line is down and i'm stuck with 9.6k/s mobile connection. this is no fun. | 20:32 |
| chrisccoulson | Ampelbein - ouch | 20:32 |
| seb128 | Ampelbein: there is no hurry karmic just opened | 20:33 |
| Ampelbein | chrisccoulson: yeah. that's what i said ;-) at least it's free. | 20:33 |
| seb128 | and buildds are busy for some weeks with the initial sync ;-) | 20:33 |
| chrisccoulson | why is karmic not broken yet? no fun ;) | 20:34 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: did you dist-upgrade to it? ;-) | 20:35 |
| seb128 | I ran the initial debian sync today, some thousand updates | 20:36 |
| chrisccoulson | i did, but it's still working here | 20:36 |
| chrisccoulson | only in a VM so far though ;) | 20:36 |
| seb128 | give some times to the buildds to do their work ;-) | 20:36 |
| chrisccoulson | ooh, the save session button in gnome-session-properties works again with the debian version | 20:40 |
| vuntz | chrisccoulson: yes, it's a patch that I have to review :-) | 20:42 |
| chrisccoulson | cool, thanks vuntz:) | 20:43 |
| chrisccoulson | vuntz - some users are enabling session saving in the preferences, then disabling it sometime later on, but get confused that it doesn't clear their ~/.config/gnome-session/saved-session when they do that. is that the intended behaviour, and should there be a "restore default" button in the preferences to clear the saved session? | 20:48 |
| vuntz | chrisccoulson: it's semi-broken right now. It will get fixed later | 20:52 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks | 20:52 |
| vuntz | chrisccoulson: (ie, this behavior will change) | 20:52 |
| robby_ | Hello | 20:58 |
| robby_ | Anyone here | 20:59 |
| === robby_ is now known as Rue-kun | ||
| Rue-kun | Hello anyone out there? | 20:59 |
| rickspencer3 | Rue-kun: what's up? | 20:59 |
| Rue-kun | I had a question about the kickoff menu | 21:00 |
| pitti | good night everyone! | 21:00 |
| Rue-kun | THe favorites menu that shows up. Is there a way to move it hide it? | 21:00 |
| rickspencer3 | 'night pitti | 21:01 |
| rickspencer3 | don't forget that if the barrels land in the oil drum they can climb ladders! | 21:01 |
| rickspencer3 | Rue-kun: I'm wondering if you are looking for #ubuntu for support? | 21:01 |
| * pitti remembers the old C64 days | 21:02 | |
| pitti | *wave* | 21:02 |
| rickspencer3 | but which favorites menu do you refer to? | 21:02 |
| Rue-kun | Ok in Kubuntu the little start menu type thing | 21:02 |
| rickspencer3 | oh | 21:02 |
| seb128 | pitti: 'night | 21:03 |
| rickspencer3 | Rue-kun: you're welcome to hang out here, but unfortunately, we won't be able to answer that too well | 21:04 |
| rickspencer3 | if you go to #kubuntu, you should be able to discuss there and get answers | 21:04 |
| rickspencer3 | this room is more for people who are developing Ubuntu itself | 21:04 |
| Rue-kun | Ok thank you rickspencer3 sorry ^_^ | 21:04 |
| rickspencer3 | (again, you're more than welcome to hang out, though) | 21:04 |
| rickspencer3 | Rue-kun: no apologies necessary | 21:05 |
| rickspencer3 | I'm glad you're using Kubuntu, it's a kick ass desktop | 21:05 |
| rickspencer3 | :) | 21:05 |
| Rue-kun | It gets the job done | 21:05 |
| Rue-kun | Oh oh I have a questions that the devlopment team might be able to answer ^_^ | 21:08 |
| Rue-kun | Did you ever fix the network manager bug? | 21:08 |
| rickspencer3 | Rue-kun: which bug do you mean? | 21:09 |
| Rue-kun | Where it wont allow you to keep static ip addesses unless you uninstall the manager then manually write files? | 21:10 |
| rickspencer3 | Rue-kun: that's a kubuntu bug, I believe | 21:21 |
| rickspencer3 | and I believe there were release notes for how to work around it | 21:22 |
| rickspencer3 | a good question for #kubuntu I would guess | 21:22 |
| Rue-kun | No it happened on my ubuntu compter idk if kubuntu works | 21:22 |
| Rue-kun | The final comand was "suso nano etc/network/interfaces" | 21:25 |
| Ampelbein | Rue-kun: do you mean bug 185584? | 21:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 185584 in adept "Adept manager: deadlock using "manage repositories"" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185584 | 21:27 |
| Ampelbein | erm bug 185854 | 21:27 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/185854/+text) | 21:27 |
| Ampelbein | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/185854 | 21:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 185854 in gnome-system-tools "Setting static IP in Network Settings doesn't produce correct data" [High,Fix released] | 21:28 |
| Rue-kun | Yes | 21:28 |
| Ampelbein | fixed since 14.04.2008 | 21:28 |
| Rue-kun | My teacher will be delighted to hear that | 21:29 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine_wk: I saved a file in the shared folder | 21:37 |
| rickspencer3 | can you see it? | 21:37 |
| dobey | doh, mvo is gone | 21:38 |
| kenvandine_wk | rickspencer3: let me check | 21:38 |
| kenvandine_wk | rickspencer3: no... | 21:39 |
| kenvandine_wk | rickspencer3: i have filed several bugs this afternoon related to sharing | 21:39 |
| rickspencer3 | I created it in gedit, and saved it to the share folder | 21:39 |
| rickspencer3 | but when I look at the folder in nautilus, it's not there | 21:39 |
| kenvandine_wk | rickspencer3: did you have any trouble creatin git? | 21:39 |
| kenvandine_wk | creating it | 21:39 |
| rickspencer3 | but I can close and reopen the file from within gedit | 21:39 |
| kenvandine_wk | humm | 21:39 |
| kenvandine_wk | verify the path | 21:40 |
| kenvandine_wk | and look at ~/.cache/ubuntuone/logs/syncdaemon.log | 21:40 |
| rickspencer3 | I saved it into Shared With Me/Ubunto One from System Users | 21:40 |
| kenvandine_wk | syncing is completely busted for me atm... waiting for a new build with a bug fix | 21:41 |
| rickspencer3 | Shared With Me/Ubunto One from System User | 21:41 |
| kenvandine_wk | oh | 21:41 |
| kenvandine_wk | it should be "Desktop Team shared from Ken VanDine" | 21:41 |
| kenvandine_wk | something like that | 21:41 |
| kenvandine_wk | that was read only for pitti | 21:41 |
| rickspencer3 | nothing says that | 21:41 |
| kenvandine_wk | and he forced it | 21:41 |
| rickspencer3 | it's all "System User" | 21:41 |
| kenvandine_wk | humm | 21:41 |
| kenvandine_wk | rickspencer3: you saw the Test.txt file? | 21:42 |
| rickspencer3 | no | 21:42 |
| kenvandine_wk | what's in your "Shared with me" folder? | 21:43 |
| rickspencer3 | geez, where is it mounted? | 21:43 |
| kenvandine_wk | ~/Ubuntu One/Shared With Me | 21:44 |
| rickspencer3 | never mind, found it | 21:44 |
| rickspencer3 | rick@rick-desktop:~/Ubuntu One/Shared With Me$ ls | 21:44 |
| rickspencer3 | Canonical from System User Company Information from System User Ubuntu One from System User | 21:44 |
| kenvandine_wk | it's not a mount point anymore | 21:44 |
| kenvandine_wk | ok, you aren't seeing my share | 21:44 |
| rickspencer3 | here | 21:44 |
| rickspencer3 | dr-xr-xr-x 3 rick rick 4096 2009-04-29 07:42 Canonical from System User | 21:44 |
| rickspencer3 | dr-xr-xr-x 2 rick rick 4096 2009-04-29 07:41 Company Information from System User | 21:44 |
| rickspencer3 | drwxr-xr-x 7 rick rick 4096 2009-04-29 13:37 Ubuntu One from System User | 21:44 |
| rickspencer3 | easier | 21:44 |
| rickspencer3 | is it possible that U1 is not running for me? | 21:45 |
| kenvandine_wk | possible | 21:45 |
| kenvandine_wk | or | 21:45 |
| kenvandine_wk | just not syncing | 21:45 |
| kenvandine_wk | which is the problem i have now | 21:45 |
| kenvandine_wk | it synced 2.6G of data | 21:45 |
| kenvandine_wk | then decided it wasn't gonna do any more ;) | 21:45 |
| rickspencer3 | heh | 21:45 |
| kenvandine_wk | not even trying to sync... corruption in some metadata | 21:46 |
| rickspencer3 | I think the lock file was not deleted properly, so it's not running for me | 21:46 |
| kenvandine_wk | they are working on getting me a fix now | 21:46 |
| kenvandine_wk | pitti had that problem | 21:46 |
| kenvandine_wk | filed a bug about it | 21:46 |
| kenvandine_wk | so whack the lock file | 21:46 |
| rickspencer3 | but I can't tell where the lock file is | 21:46 |
| kenvandine_wk | ~/.cache/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/.lock | 21:47 |
| kenvandine_wk | something like that | 21:47 |
| * rickspencer3 looks | 21:47 | |
| kenvandine_wk | make sure syncdaemon isn't running | 21:47 |
| rickspencer3 | ok | 21:49 |
| rickspencer3 | I deleted the lock file, and then quit U1, and restarted it | 21:49 |
| rickspencer3 | seems to be moving now | 21:49 |
| rickspencer3 | I see your folder now | 21:50 |
| kenvandine_wk | woot | 21:50 |
| kenvandine_wk | try to edit Test.txt | 21:50 |
| rickspencer3 | the folder is read onlyu | 21:50 |
| kenvandine_wk | right | 21:51 |
| kenvandine_wk | ok | 21:51 |
| kenvandine_wk | i filed that bug already :/ | 21:51 |
| rickspencer3 | heh | 21:51 |
| rickspencer3 | chmod the folder? | 21:51 |
| kenvandine_wk | about 30m ago | 21:51 |
| kenvandine_wk | you can | 21:51 |
| kenvandine_wk | i think it should work | 21:51 |
| rickspencer3 | *sigh* I didn't chmod recursively :) | 21:53 |
| rickspencer3 | I edited it | 21:53 |
| rickspencer3 | (the Test.tx that is) | 21:53 |
| kenvandine_wk | ok | 21:53 |
| rickspencer3 | I see how my .lock file got screwed up | 21:54 |
| rickspencer3 | you can run multiple instances of U1 | 21:54 |
| rickspencer3 | that's probably a bug | 21:54 |
| kenvandine_wk | yeah | 21:54 |
| kenvandine_wk | ok... so do this | 21:54 |
| kenvandine_wk | u1sync --diff ~/Ubuntu\ One/Shared\ With\ Me | 21:55 |
| rickspencer3 | will do, but it seems to be working now | 21:55 |
| kenvandine_wk | not syncing your changes out | 21:55 |
| kenvandine_wk | or i don't think it is | 21:55 |
| rickspencer3 | ok, gave it access to my keyring | 21:55 |
| rickspencer3 | hmm | 21:56 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine_wk: was the command supposed to return? | 21:56 |
| kenvandine_wk | files that need to be synced | 21:57 |
| kenvandine_wk | nothing? | 21:57 |
| rickspencer3 | it popped a dialog asking for access to my key ring, then blocked at the CL | 21:57 |
| kenvandine_wk | it takes time | 21:57 |
| rickspencer3 | k | 21:57 |
| kenvandine_wk | and no progress | 21:57 |
| rickspencer3 | the log file does not appear to be changing, and the icon is not moving | 21:58 |
| kenvandine_wk | i am betting it will say your version of the file differs | 21:58 |
| kenvandine_wk | yeah | 21:58 |
| kenvandine_wk | i need to run though... time to get the kids to soccer practice | 21:58 |
| rickspencer3 | ok | 21:58 |
| kenvandine_wk | will check tonight to see if the new build fixes some of this stuff | 21:58 |
| rickspencer3 | I can help more tomorrow | 21:58 |
| kenvandine_wk | good | 21:58 |
| rickspencer3 | it *looks* very good | 21:58 |
| kenvandine_wk | i'll ping you in the morning | 21:58 |
| rickspencer3 | very polished look and feel | 21:58 |
| * calc will be trying to upload OOo 3.1.0~rc2-1ubuntu1 today if he can get it working... debian guy forgot to commit his change so i also have to diff his debian dir to the debian bzr repo | 21:59 | |
| === jorge__ is now known as jcastro | ||
| Ampelbein | harr. back again on 16Mbit/s. now i'm gonna rock! | 23:15 |
| chrisccoulson | Ampelbein - that's good news | 23:19 |
| chrisccoulson | that's faster than my connection | 23:19 |
| chrisccoulson | my broadband dropped to 3.6kbps a few weeks ago, after i told my ISP i was leaving them | 23:19 |
| Ampelbein | chrisccoulson: whoa. you should cancel your contract... oh wait ;-) | 23:20 |
| chrisccoulson | heh. i'm glad that i'm rid of them now | 23:20 |
| Ampelbein | i can't complain here. 16mbit down, 1mbit upstream, no limit for 29 Euro/month | 23:22 |
| Ampelbein | today was only the second time this year that the line went down. | 23:22 |
| Ampelbein | but it's usually up after 3-10 hours, so... | 23:22 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, that sounds pretty good. is that cable or dsl? | 23:24 |
| Ampelbein | dsl | 23:25 |
| === ember_ is now known as ember | ||
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