[05:46] I have installed Ubuntu 9.04 and have notice the slowness of graphics!!! Xorg is taking up 30% of my cpu and beagle-helper is taking up 15% to 20% of my cpu... thats on avarage 50% of my cpu!!! can anyone please help me before i have to back to vista witch ran just fine.... I am a nuwbie to linux and have liked it so far but now I am stuck with this problem. [06:43] Good morning [07:35] hi pitti [07:38] hey didrocks [07:38] pitti: still reviewing SRUs? :) [07:38] every day after a release :) [07:39] good luck ;) [07:39] I spent the morning packaging the new g-p-m, though [07:39] still has some rough edges, though, so I'd like to get some more work onto that [07:39] is it working great? [07:39] oki [07:39] robert_ancell: oh, FYI, in case you are interested in g-p-m, I have a branch with 2.26.1 (to avoid double work) [07:40] didrocks: yay devicekit :) [07:40] pitti: oh, didn't know they integrated devicekit. I will have a look to it :) [07:41] didrocks: I blogged about it a while ago [07:42] found http://martinpitt.wordpress.com/2009/03/11/wanna-touch-devicekit/, remember now :) [07:42] pitti: g-p-m = gnome-power-manager? Don't think I've ever looked at it... [07:43] pitti: I will try it when you will make it available. I'm bored that my suspend to ram works so well :) [07:46] Who is the local Firefox expert? I've been looking at bug 368252 and I don't have the know-how to trace how the totem plugin is invoked. Clues are making it look like Firefox+javascript may be causing the problem.. [07:46] Launchpad bug 368252 in totem "Totem firefox plugin can't launch apple HD trailers" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/368252 [07:47] ok, I'm off for an hour or two for a doctor appointment [07:47] see you [07:47] later [07:47] robert_ancell: asac IIRC [07:48] didrocks: cheers [07:48] y/w === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [08:43] re [08:43] re pitti [08:47] hello pitti didrocks [08:47] hey seb128 [08:48] Hi seb128 [08:48] seb128: hey seb [08:48] hello robert_ancell [08:49] robert_ancell: how was your day? did you manage to squash some bugs? ;-) [08:51] seb128: hard going today. I worked on the totem-mozilla bug but I think it's a firefox issue? Some more work on the SSH bug, I can repeat it but I don't get what is going on [08:51] * robert_ancell has been pushing all his work upstream today :) [08:51] robert_ancell: could be for totem, it's weird that the non-hd things are working and firefox is calling totem by looking to .xsession-errors [08:52] hm, this U1 thing doesn't really seem to like me :/ [08:52] seb128: well it seems to be due to the way the page is crafted. I was hacking it apart to find what HTML/JS code is making the difference [08:52] hello [08:52] hey crevette [08:52] robert_ancell: I see [08:53] lut crevette [08:53] robert_ancell: don't spend too much time on it, reassign to firefox if the bug is there [08:53] pitti: I was wondering if it didn't work 'cause it was shut down when I was awake - it hardly never works! [08:53] hello frenchies [08:54] well, I set it up, and I see my files again which I uploaded two months ago [08:54] but it never syncs [08:54] seb128: that's my guess - I'll do that and they can reassign it back if they can say why its invoking the plugin in different ways [08:54] * crevette is interested by what is this U1 project [08:54] :) [08:54] I guess today we just know mere mortal [08:54] +s [08:54] crevette: wait until May 7 :) then the public beta will start [08:54] ECHANNEL, sorry [08:55] but well, we talked about it in the meeting yesterday [08:55] crevette: can you see http://ubuntuone.com ? [08:55] robert_ancell: ? [08:55] robert_ancell: what have you found so far? [08:55] pitti, no, I don't permission to see it :) [08:56] asac: can you look at bug 368252 - I'm a bit lost on the divide between firefox and the totem plugin [08:56] Launchpad bug 368252 in totem "Totem firefox plugin can't launch apple HD trailers" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/368252 [08:57] robert_ancell: the rhythmbox issue, are you waiting on an another example? [08:57] robert_ancell: I think the current case is already worth fixing, what do you think [08:58] seb128: I agree. I was diving into the source but I got lost. I'm not sure if it's a gstreamer or rhythmbox issue. I was looking at the diffs but couldn't see anything. [08:59] robert_ancell: I would expect rather a gstreamer one [08:59] but I'm not sure either [08:59] it's just a random guess ;-) [08:59] seb128: I also tried the Intrepid rb but it occurs for that too - this is why I think it is probably in gstreamer [09:00] robert_ancell: what is supposed to happen when you left click? [09:01] It should open the video in fullscreen afaik [09:01] (it's just a standard link) [09:02] asac: the interesting thing that stood out in the log is "width 1" and "height 1" for the failed cases [09:10] robert_ancell: onclick="s_objectID="http://movies.apple.com/movies/paramount/star_trek/startrek-clip_480p.mov_1";return this.s_oc?this.s_oc(e):true" [09:10] thats what happens "on click" [09:10] doesnt look right [09:11] asac: yeah, do you think they've changed the page? [09:12] asac: how did you get that? I was playing around with the web developer plugin but couldn't find out how to get what a link would resolve to [09:12] robert_ancell: can you check what "this.s_oc function does? [09:12] robert_ancell: install firefox-3.0-dom-inspector [09:13] robert_ancell: then you can click on elements and see the HTML element in the inspector [09:15] tseliot: hi, did you read the xrandr capplet bug about virtual settings questions? [09:15] seb128: what bug? [09:15] * seb128 grrr at people not reading their bug emails [09:16] let me get the number, I assigned the bug to you [09:16] tseliot: bug #365210 [09:16] Launchpad bug 365210 in gnome-control-center "gnome-display-properties mistakenly requires logout to increase resolution" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365210 [09:16] seb128: I might have read that but I would like to know what bug you're referring to [09:16] robert_ancell: it seems to do something ... so figure out what this.s_oc function does [09:16] robert_ancell: and so on [09:16] have to get coffee now ;) [09:17] asac: ok, cheers [09:17] tseliot: I get it every time on several boxes [09:17] tseliot: it's quite annoying and would be nice to fix in a sru [09:18] seb128: I think I missed this report. I'll try to reproduce the problem here and work on a fix [09:18] tseliot: thanks [09:18] np [09:19] tseliot: it's easy, start the capplet, try a lower resolution and back to your normal one [09:19] it will not go back until you restart the capplet [09:19] and it wants to add virtual settings when not required [09:19] ie just to go back to the normal value you were using for example [09:19] seb128: and does this happen when the virtual resolution is already set in xorg.conf? [09:19] pitti: how do you deal with sync-source -a errors? [09:20] seb128: one by one, I'm afraid [09:20] tseliot: I've not tried, I'm using one screen [09:20] seb128: often we need to remove packages first, because they got renamed [09:20] pitti: is there a way to skip the broken entry or resume from there instead of redoing the whole -a ? [09:20] seb128: or binaries moved around (then -F helps) [09:20] seb128: or different orig [09:20] seb128: ah, ok, so in your case it wasn't set [09:21] pitti: could you look to the libdca error and tell me what you would do? [09:21] seb128: resuming isn't possible, I'm afraid [09:21] seb128: you have to temporarily blacklist it, -a again, rinse and repeat until it succeeds [09:21] and then resolve the temporary blacklisted ones [09:21] tseliot: I'm using one screen on ati and no, I've no virtual on this box [09:21] seb128: looking [09:21] ok [09:22] tseliot: but virtual is not required since that the normal resolution [09:22] I just start the capplet [09:22] change to 800x600 for example [09:22] ack the choice [09:22] and then try to change back to the normal value [09:22] I get the error [09:22] restart the capplet and it works [09:22] ok, thanks for the info [09:22] you're welcome, thanks for looking into it! [09:23] pitti: thanks [09:23] pitti: I've been fixing some overwritte issues yesterday by using -f for those [09:23] seb128: right, what I said; our current libdts-dev is built from the libdts source [09:23] binaries which are built by new sources [09:23] seb128: so this one should just be --force'd, I think [09:23] ok, so -f, flush, wait for publishing and -a again? [09:24] pitti: ok, can you do it while you have it locally? thanks! [09:24] seb128: or just skil flush and publisher, and immediately run -a again [09:24] pitti: oh, no need to wait for publisher? [09:24] seb128: no, just don't flush [09:24] and let it sync all over again [09:24] pitti: I was not sure where it was getting versions to compare [09:24] that should be faster [09:24] pitti: it breaks again on the same case then [09:25] even if I -f ed it [09:25] seb128: not if you temporarily blacklist it [09:25] ah ok [09:25] ok, makes sense [09:25] I will do that next time, thanks! [09:25] seb128: oh, hang on [09:25] seb128: no, I won't sync that [09:25] seb128: our libtds-dev is ubuntu modified [09:25] it won't scribble over that [09:25] it needs to be merged [09:26] (or at least checked if the changes can go) [09:26] pitti: so just blacklist it for now? [09:26] seb128: yes [09:26] I'm off, see you guys tomorrow [09:26] robert_ancell: have a nice evening see you tomorrow [09:26] robert_ancell: good night! [09:26] pitti: can you do that while you are at it? [09:26] bye [09:26] well, I'm not "at it", but *shrug* [09:26] pitti: I'll continue on sync when I'm done with what I'm doing right now [09:26] sure [09:26] pitti: ok don't bother, I though you were already sshing on the box [09:27] I will do that in a bit [09:27] seb128: doing now, don't worry [09:27] I stopped on that this night and didn't resume yet [09:27] I just kept the question for this morning ;-) [09:27] * seb128 hugs pitti [09:28] seb128: ah, that's an ancient package (gutsy) [09:28] seb128: I'll just remove the libdts source, then it should just sync [09:29] is anyone intereted in taking bug 337441 for karmic? [09:29] Launchpad bug 337441 in gnome-settings-daemon "Low disk space warning "Cancel" and "OK" buttons do the same thing" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/337441 [09:29] chrisccoulson: you? ;-) [09:29] seb128: it'd probably be better to do a full process-removals run, I'll do that one [09:29] pitti: you rock! [09:29] seb128 - i was going to offer if noone else wanted to do it already:) [09:30] chrisccoulson: go for it, I expect we will find enough to do to not get bored without that one ;-) [09:30] i'll take that one then. thanks [09:30] thank you [09:30] seb128: right, process-removals duefully caught it [09:31] pitti - did you see my response in bug 360399? I don't think we're going to get an SRU-worthy fix to resolve this issue [09:31] Launchpad bug 360399 in tracker "Tracker Evolution Eplug missing" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/360399 [09:32] upstream identified some issues with the plugin but when they fixed it it caused a big regression, and so they've just disabled it completely in 0.6.9x which we have in jaunty [09:32] and they're not planning any more work on that [09:33] chrisccoulson: right, I saw it; nevermind about it [09:33] you can probably unsubscribe the sponsors team and ubuntu-sru team from that if you like [09:33] at least the sponsors, yes [09:34] chrisccoulson: thanks [09:34] thanks:) [09:41] * pitti finally removes gtk+1.2 [09:42] pitti: waouh! [09:42] seems that nobody ran process-removals for some time [09:44] seb128: hmm, eel2 got removed in Debian [09:45] ROM; obsolete, no rdeps, now in nautilus [09:45] pitti: right, we got it off the CD in jaunty [09:45] still being used by g-c-c and libnautilus-burn [09:45] g-c-c ?! [09:45] and three universe packages [09:45] -- karmic/main build deps on libeel2-dev: [09:45] gnome-control-center [09:45] that's a mistake [09:46] seb128: anyway, I'll keep it for now [09:46] rdpends lists n-c-b too but that's a mistake too [09:46] we'll do another process-removal run [09:46] ok [09:46] seb128: or want me to kill it now as a kind of reminder? :-) [09:47] I would not mind you doing that [09:47] "oops", it's gone :) [09:47] I've karmic sources there and there is only 3 rdepends [09:47] yay cruft cleanup [09:47] and I expect 2 of those to be fixed when syncing the second half of the archive [09:47] absolutely [09:47] they must have fixed it in debian [09:48] let's create some breakage [09:48] and g-c-c is just a cruft left in the build-depends [09:48] karmic works waaaaay too well right now [09:48] yeah, karmic is boring [09:48] well, new kernel+uxa is quite nice, though :) [09:49] seb128: okay, process-removals done; I suggest to let that publish (12:00 CEST) and then do a sync run [09:49] should get a little further now [09:49] pitti: ok thanks [09:50] pitti: no hurry I expect the buildds are busy for the day [09:50] hehe [09:50] the first sync runs yesterday did quite some work [09:50] it also cut quite a dent into MoM main.html [09:50] ok, so I'll get back to fixing g-p-m 2.26.1 [09:51] and then I'll look into DK-disks and gnome-disk-tool [09:51] * pitti is in crack & breakage mood today [09:52] yeah [09:52] we're getting g-p-m 2.26.1 this cycle are we? [09:53] * crevette wants to have a broken distro [09:53] * chrisccoulson gives crevette a large hammer [09:53] crevette: that's my plan anyway [09:53] :) [09:53] crevette: likewise, gnome-mount/hal -> gnome-disk-tool/dk-disks [09:53] I didn't switch to karmic yet [09:54] gnome-mount is superseded by gnome-disk-tool [09:54] erm, chrisccoulson: that's my plan anyway [09:54] pitti - nice:) [09:54] * crevette is lagging behind for new gnome technology [09:54] I'm running gpm/dk-power here, but it has some small problems [09:55] what sort of problems? i know the newer g-p-m has proper consolekit support so doesn't try to do actions on the inactive VT [09:55] should fix an annoying bug i have where i press the power button on my machine and the shutdown dialog appears on all user sessions [09:57] chrisccoulson: it doesn't suspend when I close the lid [09:57] other than that, it seems to work fine [09:57] chrisccoulson: weird, I thought that problem was gone ages ago [09:58] pitti: gnome bug #573826 [09:58] pitti - my power button produces a HAL event on the system bus rather than going through X, so all running instances of g-p-m get the event and respond to it [09:58] Gnome bug 573826 in general "gdu volume monitor" [Normal,Assigned] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573826 [09:58] too [09:58] pitti: I expect they will land it upstream in 2.27 [09:58] pitti - what sort of event does your lid button produce? [09:58] seb128: you are a bug machine [09:58] lol [09:59] I spend too much time working on bugs indeed ;-) [09:59] seb128: ah, for that; thanks (I thought you referred to the lid issue) [09:59] chrisccoulson: what kind of events? I'll watch g-p-m in debug mode [09:59] pitti: no, sorry for the confusion [10:00] seb128: your's is for gvfs hal->dk, isn't it? [10:00] pitti: yes, it was a reply to your dk-disks comment [10:04] pitti - if your lid button produces a hal event, then it won't work in g-p-m 2.26.x unless you built it with --enable-legacy-buttons [10:07] chrisccoulson: indeed, pressing the power button doesn't do anything either [10:08] chrisccoulson: I just get hal events, but nothing in g-p-m [10:26] pitti - i just get HAL events too. the new g-p-m doesn't support those unless you enable the support explicitly. that should probably be enabled in karmic until all hotkey support has gone from HAL [10:31] chrisccoulson: ah, I'll have a look at this [10:32] pitti - the stuff you're interested in is in src/gpm-button.c [10:33] all the hal stuff is conditionally compiled with #ifdef HAVE_LEGACY_BUTTONS [10:33] chrisccoulson: right, so that would require a DK-acpi or something such [10:34] so to understand the big picture hal is being deprecated to DeviceKit? [10:34] the comments in there suggest that hotkey support is being removed from HAL and they will all produce keypress events through X [10:35] pitti: CEST is european time right? [10:35] pitti: ie still half an hour to wait for this publisher run? [10:36] seb128: right [10:36] thanks [10:36] chrisccoulson: many thanks, testing now [10:39] CEST is our time [10:39] mere frenchies [10:40] and all the countries around (to not appear selfish) [10:40] :) [10:42] crevette: right, what I though and has been confirmed, "european time" [10:43] sorry I'm lagging [10:44] chrisccoulson: hm, doesn't seem to help :/ [10:44] mvo: ok, I've update-notifier buggy again [10:44] mvo: it opens update-manager every time I do an apt-get install [10:46] seb128: please keep it in that state [10:46] mvo: ok [10:46] seb128: I need to for for lunch, after afterwards I would love to diagnose it [10:46] mvo: ok, I'm not touching the box until after lunch [10:46] or rather letting that in state ;-) [10:46] I will do bug triage now [10:49] chrisccoulson: ah, nevermind, working perfectly; was just my docking station going mad at me [10:49] pitti: I know you already did SRU yesterday but it would be nice if you could review libical today [10:49] pitti: we have quite some users annoyed by evolution hanging or crashing [10:50] the change should be easy enough to review [10:50] seb128: I will (I need to do SRU daily these times anyway) [10:50] thanks! [10:50] well, I do it right now; g-p-m isn't that urgent [10:55] seb128: can you please dupe some real bug reports to bug 368508, to get some affected users subscribed, and to underline the necessity for SRU? [10:55] Launchpad bug 368508 in libical "don't crash on incorrect values or errors" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/368508 [10:56] pitti: I plan to add comments on the stack of evo bugs when it's accepted [10:56] to ask people to try this change [10:56] okay [10:56] I don't want to dup since the other ones a still bugs [10:56] they will not lead to crashes but should still be fixed [10:56] a -> are [10:56] if you ask them to give feedback on this one, that's okay [10:57] (accepted) [10:58] ok, commenting now [10:58] seb128: since bug 363169 is not a regression, I'm nervous about it for SRU; it might uncover other bugs in the new functionality [10:58] Launchpad bug 363169 in libxklavier "libxklavier is built without XInput support" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/363169 [10:58] pitti: the bug submitter is upstream and the code path different is some 7-8 lines [10:59] pitti: it's just a callback called on new device detection [10:59] right, but that hasn't been tested properly? [10:59] pitti: and it has been tested in other distros [10:59] pitti: well, I don't feel strongly about it, just upstream has been pushy to get it sru-ed [11:00] well, it's not a regression, and not at all a major bug, so it needs some more convincing to become an SRU [11:00] and we have some user complaining about keyboard settings being dropped after suspend etc [11:00] it's a "annoying bug" [11:00] it reset your keyboard settings in some cases where xorg redetect the device [11:00] but I'm fine waiting a bit to have karmic feedback or debian one [11:01] pitti - it's good that works now:) [11:03] chrisccoulson: now I just need to find out how to repair the notify-osd patch, then it's all good [11:03] i've not seen that patch. is it quite big? [11:03] it's in the bzr tree [11:04] shouldn't be too hard to port [11:05] re [11:06] pitti: I would not have sru-ed to fix the issue only since I think it's a minor one too, I'm trying to not make manage upstream there but if want to put it on hold fine with me too [11:35] mvo: lots of people still have trouble in bug 257639 [11:35] Launchpad bug 257639 in packagekit "E: The package cache file is corrupted E: _cache->open() failed, please report." [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/257639 [11:40] servus pitti and mvo, as a work around we could disable the update cache of packagekit [11:40] this would require a backport of f876a76737e504fca161f075bd0d1b8ba386cb75 and setting the corresponding configuration option [11:41] if we disable the internal update cache of packagekit there would be no need for the apt post-update script anymore [11:42] hey glatzor, wie gehts? [11:43] pitti, oh, work time consumes a lot of my life currently - so could be better. and yourself? [11:43] glatzor: pretty good, thanks; looking forward to karmic breakage :) [11:50] mvo: are "restart required" notifications still done in tray or by a pop up in jaunty? [11:51] asac: dialog auto opening [11:51] ah ... so thats why users complain about getting that without seeing the in-firefox notification [11:55] asac: if I have an empty .mozilla/extensions/\{ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384\}/ does that mean ubufox is disabled? [11:55] mvo: i have http://paste.ubuntu.com/160607/ in /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/firefox-3.0-restart-required ... nothing happens at all [11:55] james_w: check in tools -> addons ... search for "Ubuntu Firefox ..." [11:55] pitti, mvo: sorry for not thinking about this. but we could delay the packagekit statehaschanged action quite easily [11:55] asac: that's my old profile [11:55] * pitti merges the 73177 line diff of g-p-m dk branch to the ubuntu branch, *ugh* [11:56] asac: going back to that might lose my tabs again :-) [11:56] glatzor: do you have a diff to look at? [11:57] pitti, mvo: we could raise PK_ENGINE_STATE_CHANGED_PRIORITY_TIMEOUT in src/pk-engine.c [11:57] asac: have yu touched /var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp ? [11:57] james_w: not sure that i get what you mean ;) [11:57] asac: it claims to be enabled [11:57] james_w: and touching the file doesnt display the in-firefox notification ? [11:58] mvo: since when do i need to do that? [11:58] asac: its done automatically by apt if you install the package [11:58] asac: but if you just do local testing, then its needed [11:58] mvo: i just raun --reinstall firefox-3.0 [11:58] asac: it does this time [11:58] asac: hm, that should work, give me a sec to check [11:59] mvo: touched both a few times ... nothing changes. [11:59] james_w: so maybe you didnt see that when it happened? [12:00] asac: what happened was that I installed today's upgrades, and firefox stopped working properly in the middle as usual. After a while I noticed the update-notifier dialog, closed that, went to firefox, and there was no banner. So I just hit the X in the top right and then started firefox again. [12:00] james_w: anyway. there are still bugs with upgrading even with this in-firefox notification ... so with some bad luck you might loose tabs on upgrade - unfortunately [12:00] asac: hm, seems to work for me, could you please run "update-notifier --debug-hooks" ? it will spit out quite a bit of output [12:00] omg [12:00] lol [12:00] mvo: update-notifier --debug-hooks [12:00] The program 'update-notifier' can be found in the following packages: * update-notifier [12:01] glatzor: if that is not used for other stuff, I'm fine with changing that timeout. but I wonder why the other fix does not help, it should have the same effect [12:01] asac: ;) [12:02] seb128: could it be that you have pending security updates? [12:02] mvo: how do I check that? [12:03] seb128: u-m should display those on top of the updates list [12:03] mvo: no I don't then [12:04] oh goodness. thats really bad (popping up the window :)) [12:04] pitti: sorry if that is a stupid question, but if I sru compiz-fusion-plugins-unsupported to jaunty-proposed, will it be poket copied or something like this? [12:04] asac: talk to mpt but I think some people complained already ;-) [12:04] asac: ... [12:04] asac: you are just not the target user [12:04] maybe that was the reason i didnt have update-notifier installed anymore ;)? [12:05] damn [12:05] there is a gconf key to get the previous behavior back [12:05] well. we have a notification in firefox if you have ubufox [12:05] so that shouldnt be displayed at all on default installs [12:05] guess i have to make the DisplayIf: smarter [12:06] mvo: how is the kapturl going? i still cannot require kubuntu to install ubufox due to that dependency ;) [12:06] seb128: hm, hm. what is the value of /apps/update-manager/launch-time for you (in gconf)? [12:06] asac: I don't know :) hacking a bit qt would be fun I guess [12:06] mvo: [12:06] $ LC_ALL=C gconftool -g /apps/update-manager/launch-time [12:07] No value set for `/apps/update-manager/launch-time' [12:07] asac: the code is nicely seperated now [12:07] launch_time (sorry) [12:07] mvo: the idea would be to not use synaptic [12:07] mvo: launch_time = 1241003015 [12:07] if that's what you meant [12:07] mvo: could apturl just not use synaptic? [12:07] asac: it does, but it still needs a little bit of frontend cod [12:07] e [12:08] mvo: well. if thats just gtk it would be ok i guess [12:08] firefox requires gtk anyway [12:09] gnome-app-install, [12:09] gnome-icon-theme [12:09] why does apturl depend on that icon theme? [12:09] synaptic [12:11] seb128: hm, that time looks very valid [12:12] ** (update-notifier:4981): DEBUG: /usr/lib/update-notifier/apt-check returned 116 (security: 2) [12:12] (update-notifier:4981): update-DEBUG: is_package_system_locked: 0 [12:12] (update-notifier:4981): update-DEBUG: update_apt_is_running: 0 [12:12] (update-notifier:4981): inotify-DEBUG: apt_get_running=TRUE [12:12] (update-notifier:4981): inotify-DEBUG: apt_get_running=TRUE [12:12] (update-notifier:4981): inotify-DEBUG: dpkg_was_run=TRUE [12:12] (update-notifier:4981): inotify-DEBUG: dpkg_was_run=TRUE [12:12] seb128: what does /usr/lib/update-notifier/apt-check print ? [12:12] (update-notifier:4981): update-DEBUG: update_check() [12:12] mvo: that's the debug log [12:12] so it says security 2 [12:12] but there is none listed in update-manager [12:12] and still I would not expect it to auto open after each install [12:13] seb128: yes the security ones would explain it [12:13] seb128: well, yeah, that sucks [12:13] what is the code logic for security = 2? [12:14] ie how can I get those 2 names ? [12:14] update-manager lists none [12:14] seb128: the logic is in /usr/lib/update-notifier/apt-check [12:15] seb128: try adding a print into isSecurityUpgrade() before the "return True" please [12:15] let me add debug print there [12:17] ok [12:17] it's freetype [12:17] 2.3.9-4.1 0 [12:17] 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com karmic/main Packages [12:17] 2.3.9-4ubuntu0.1 0 [12:17] 500 http://security.ubuntu.com jaunty-security/main Packages [12:17] 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com jaunty-updates/main Packages [12:17] *** 2.3.9-4build1 0 [12:17] 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status [12:17] so update-manager lists the karmic version [12:17] which is a standard upgrade [12:17] but update-notifier still count the security one [12:18] mvo: we can, but it would clash with the version number in Debian [12:18] mvo: so we won't [12:18] pitti: I mean the new one with -1ubuntu1 (sorry for the version number bogus) [12:19] seb128: let me check if I can reproduce it [12:19] mvo: we can do that, yes [12:19] pitti: thanks, I update the bugreport and ask for this then [12:20] mvo: still my issue is that security upgrade or not it should stop auto open at each apt command [12:20] mvo: didn't we decide that manual apt run would tell it that user want to do things manually? [12:21] ie that it should not autostart at all? [12:22] seb128: well, the spec says it should auto-open on security updates [12:23] every time I use apt? [12:23] seb128: yeah, it sucks, I'm not sure what is the right answer, maybe have a minimal nag interval [12:23] that's ridiculous ... [12:23] seb128: every time there is a security update [12:23] well, there is a security update, I know about it [12:23] but I'm using apt to do some work [12:23] I'm not defending this behavior, just saying why its there [12:23] and I want it changed too [12:23] well I though the timestamp thing was to not to that [12:24] ie not auto-open if users are using apt manually? [12:24] I'm just not sure yet how [12:24] I though we said that auto-opening was for luser who don't use the package manager and should be doing their upgrades [12:24] the apt timestamp stuff is only used for non-security updates, security updates are handled special [12:24] but that we would not annoy people who are using command line tools [12:24] hum, k [12:25] IMO its already way too much magic [12:25] is that a design team issue? [12:25] ie should I talk to mpt? [12:25] or is that a code bug? [12:25] please file a bug [12:25] I'm not sure what would be right [12:25] I think I still need to tlak to mpt what he thinks should be done [12:25] but auto-opening update-manager every 5 minutes while I'm working is not right ;-) [12:25] ok will do [12:26] thanks [12:26] seb128: just install those two security updates ;) [12:26] seb128: I agree [12:26] I guess that one is really a corner case [12:26] right, I would have if they were listed as security updates :-p [12:26] I did enable karmic [12:26] seb128: it is, u-m should still display them as security updates, I'm checking now why it does not [12:26] and I don't want to upgrade the hundred packages there [12:26] seb128: it shoudl be clever enough to get it right [12:26] mvo: it displays the karmic version which is never [12:26] newer [12:27] which makes sense [12:27] seb128: i.e. to detect that its karmic but there is a security thing in between, so there is a bug somewhere [12:27] well it's just that update-manager lists the most recent version [12:27] which makes sense [12:27] seb128: one obvous solution would be to only auto-start on new security updates, but that would require some persistant knowledge in u-n that it currently does not have (and until now not needed) [12:28] but maybe update-notifier should not count the security update in that case [12:28] seb128: yeah, I will fix this bug now, the other too when I got some input from the designers [12:36] who could copy xulrunner-1.9 from jaunty-security (1.9.0.10+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.9.04.1) to karmic? just pitti or all archive admins? [12:37] seb128: aha, I know why it does not list freetype as a security update, give me a min and I fix it in karmic (only affects people with karmic sources) [12:40] asac: any archive admin [12:41] asac: done [12:44] pitti: thanks. [12:44] (oops.. didnt mean to include nick) [13:04] seb128: do you have a bugnumber yet? [13:04] seb128: or should I file it [13:06] mvo: bug #369198 [13:07] Launchpad bug 369198 in update-notifier "update-manager auto-opened after each apt use when security updates available" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/369198 [13:07] thanks seb128 [13:07] grr, managed to open twice by reclicking on launchpad being slow [13:07] closing dup [13:07] mvo: you're welcome === crevette__ is now known as crevette [14:36] kenvandine_wk: hm, I now put some 5 MB of data into ~/u1; the icon keeps spinning (i. e. syncing) for almost half an hour now; that's the slow performance you already noticed/reported? [14:37] not quite that bad [14:37] look at the log, ~/.cache/ubuntuone/logs/ [14:37] kenvandine_wk: I reported some 5 bugs today, but it's mostly working now [14:37] good [14:37] thx [14:37] i uploaded 2.4G since last night :) [14:37] kenvandine_wk: lots of "called nothign"/"starting" cycles [14:37] only reported one bug today [14:38] how many files? [14:38] kenvandine_wk: oh, I thought we had something like a 2MB quota [14:38] well, it's my entire latex folder [14:38] 2G [14:38] $ find ~/latex -type f| wc -l [14:38] 310 [14:38] that shouldn't be too bad [14:39] i have done 1248 files since last night [14:39] 13 hours [14:39] 2.4G [14:39] so I think it's rather a question of numbers of files than total size [14:44] pitti: sorry about brasero SRU, the bugfix fixed quite a lot of lp bugs and sj ones. [14:44] ember: np, I didn't complain :) [14:44] mvo, using apt is supposed to *suppress* the updates window, not make it come up instantly :-) [14:45] seb128: is there going to be a 2.26.2 release of gnome? [14:46] tseliot: yes but I doubt we will get everything in jaunty [14:46] it's not a lts [14:46] there is a .2 and .3 [14:46] pitti: cool, i have one more bugfix left with already verification done bug #345166 [14:46] Launchpad bug 345166 in tomboy "Tomboy tries to load fuse module in Jaunty...and can't" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/345166 [14:47] seb128: ok then I think we can include my patch with an SRU while upstream can include it in either .2 or .3 [14:47] tseliot: right [14:48] tseliot: the bug is an upstream one? [14:48] seb128: yes, it is, I caused it. A 5 lines patch should solve it [14:49] * tseliot is recompiling gnome-desktop [14:49] tseliot: ok thanks [14:49] mpt: I changed update-notifier now to show security updates at most once every N hours (current N is set to 12h, but any value will do) [14:50] seb128: BTW I have a gnome account now, which means that I can upload to the gnome svn (or is it git now?) but I think I'll need my changes to be approved first, right? [14:50] tseliot: correct [14:50] tseliot: wow, congrats [14:50] tseliot: you need to have a maintainer setting your patch "accept-commit" [14:50] mvo, thanks [14:51] pitti: thanks :-) [14:51] you could technical commit but that would bad taste ;-) [14:51] +be [14:51] ie better to wait for a review and ack [14:51] mpt: should this be a SRU? its currently only available in karmic? [14:51] seb128: yes, of course. I think I can bug federico about it ;) [14:52] mvo, I don't know. How many people use apt outside of synaptic/g-a-i/update-manager, and how often? [14:52] * dobey uses apt a lot [14:52] :) [14:53] mpt: I suspect its a bit of a corner case, it only happens if there are pending security updates that have not been installed [14:53] mpt: so its currently a over agressive nag [14:53] yeah [14:53] mpt: the people who use apt often are the people you don't want to annoy too much [14:53] I will mointor the bugs and decide based on that I think [14:54] seb128, I was just about to say exactly the same thing :-) [14:54] seb128: regarding gnome-vfs: why did we drop the quilt build-dependency? [14:55] Ampelbein: probably because I don't like to use quilt but you can keep it while doing the merge I don't expect active work on gnome-vfs [14:56] seb128: how can one not like quilt? ;-) [14:56] Ampelbein: cdbs-edit-patch autoreconf; autoreconf; rm cache; exit [14:56] Ampelbein: ever tried to do a 99autoreconf.patch with quilt? [14:57] find * | xargs quilt add ? [14:57] Ampelbein: export QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches; quilt push otherchange; quilt new autoreconf; find . -name | xargs add ...; autoreconf; quilt refresh; quilt pop; debuild [14:57] Ampelbein: see which one is easier? ;-) [14:57] Ampelbein: same with "drop a svn diff in the patches directory" [14:58] seb128: my patch works :-) [14:58] quilt add sucks rocks through a needle, in general it's quite okay [14:58] not to mention the "ups I forgot to quilt add something, how to I undo ... remove directory start from scratch" [14:58] bzr looms are better for that [14:58] seb128, pitti ok, i see your point. [14:58] tseliot: you rock! [14:59] Ampelbein: I'm quite okay with quilt, but this particular bit drives me mad :) [15:01] dropping the change to not create patches link on top level was a fault imo [15:01] adding the change ;) [15:01] it was done in debian because of new source format ... which i never understood :) [15:02] (all about quilt ;)) [15:17] $ devkit-disks --mount /devices/sdb1 [15:17] Mounted /devices/sdb1 at /media/Pitti USB [15:17] yohoo [15:18] glatzor: is PK acting on more than the update-list signal? is it also monitoring other files. I wonder why the fix for #257639 is not working [15:23] dobey: out of interest, what does U1 use hal for? [15:23] hal? [15:24] dobey: ubuntuone-storage-protocol and -client depend on it [15:24] oh, the apport hook used it, but it doesn't any more, so we could remove that explicit dep i guess [15:24] ah, splendid [15:24] dobey: I'll file a bug [15:25] dobey: thanks [15:25] sure [15:31] mvo, no. there is only one further trigger which also emits the StatusHasChagned signal after resuming the computer [15:46] kenvandine_wk: I have the U1 client working, how do I share stuff and what not? [15:46] hey rickspencer3 [15:46] hi pitti [15:46] nice to see you guys [15:46] * pitti didn't figure out sharing yet either, the "share" button is grayed out for me in the web ui [15:48] hello rickspencer3 [15:48] hi seb128 [15:49] * rickspencer3 copying all my work documents into my U1 folder [15:49] rickspencer3: i think you can only share a top level [15:49] that is all i have done so far [15:50] i am syncing a load of crap now... so don't want to mess with it until it is done [15:50] i have been syncing photos all night :) [15:50] and not a single traceback! [15:50] but it is saturating my uplink... sp my internets are slow :/ [15:51] hey! [15:51] hopefully that will be done by the time i finish my openweek session... which starts in 9m [15:51] someone shared files with me, and it's not pr0n! [15:51] haha [15:51] rickspencer3: disappointed? [15:51] :) [15:52] actually, there is a folder called "spanky" in there in [15:52] * rickspencer3 afraid to look [15:52] hehe [15:53] mvo: could you look at bug #369282? [15:53] -rwxr-xr-x root/root 161368 2009-04-29 16:50 ./usr/bin/palimpsest [15:53] WTH [15:53] Launchpad bug 369282 in gnome-games "gnome-games gives an error while upgrading" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/369282 [15:53] to your native English speakers, how would you denote "palimsest"? [16:00] ...psest [16:00] missing a p there [16:01] right, sorry [16:01] never heard the term before, and dict.leo.org is quite useless [16:02] pitti: Isn't it a made up word? [16:02] its a bit medieval... [16:03] its a name for a document that has been written over several times [16:03] like monks used to do [16:03] It's not a common word [16:03] * Amaranth wonders what that has to do with audio mixing [16:07] Amaranth: nothing. but disk (re-)formatting is in some sense analogous to what those monks used to do [16:07] oh, I thought that was the name of the pulseaudio mixer [16:07] is that the gnome-disk-utility thing using devicekit? [16:08] yes [16:09] whats this channel for? (Sorry for being dumb) [16:11] pitbullthe1st_, discussing the development of most of the graphical bits in Ubuntu [16:11] seb128: my patch is in the gnome bugzilla: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=580754 [16:12] mvo, have you found a way to reproduce the error? [16:12] O ok so not for non coders like me then [16:12] Gnome bug 580754 in libgnome-desktop "Gnome desktop should re-use the previous screen size when needs_reprobe=FALSE" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [16:12] thanks [16:12] tseliot: thanks [16:12] pitbullthe1st_, for the non-graphical bits, see #ubuntu-devel. For Kubuntu, see #kubuntu-devel. For user suppport, see #ubuntu. [16:12] ok thanks [16:13] tseliot: federico and I fixed exactly that bug last night... [16:14] mvo, a simple "os.fork() [16:14] c = apt.Cache()" seems to work without any problems [16:14] glatzor: I have not :/ I was even doing a "while True: c = apt.Cache()" in parallel with a few tasks without luck [16:15] seb128: woah, that bug is pretty impressive [16:16] mvo: you think so? ;-) [16:16] mclasen: do you refer to this? http://git.gnome.org/cgit/gnome-desktop/commit/?id=3f811a611185a3bdbb6b6d4c19590bd26ae1dc82 [16:16] tseliot: yes [16:17] mclasen: it's not enough. Because you still don't have the information that you need and you'll get a screen size which is 0 x 0 [16:18] mclasen: believe me, I caused the bug and I know how to fix it ;) [16:18] tseliot: well, what I committed certainly fixed my symptoms [16:19] mclasen: do you have your change applied? [16:19] mclasen: can you try to change to a lower resolution, ack the change, and try to change back to higher one [16:19] without closing the capplet between the changes [16:19] mvo: i am having some weird behavior with apturl... [16:19] no, my laptop claims to only support one resolution... [16:19] mclasen: how can you get the right information without calling XRRGetScreenSizeRange() ? [16:20] mclasen: ok, I will try later thanks anyway ;-) [16:20] tseliot: the right ranges are already in the GnomeRRScreen struct [16:21] mvo: if i add a ppa in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/foo.list or something, and then do xdg-open "apt://package-in-new-ppa?refresh=yes" it doesn't work, but if i immediately do the xdg-open a second time, it works... like it's not re-reading the cache properly or something [16:21] tseliot: but federico thought that some other fixes might be necessary; so it is probably best to discuss that with him [16:21] seb128: I wonder if its something like a wubi install or an other strange FS [16:21] mclasen: no, they are no longer there because screen_info_new() calls fill_out_screen_info() with a half-empty GnomeRRScreen struct [16:22] mclasen: sure, I'll bug him ;) [16:22] not in my case... [16:22] mvo: feel free to ask on the bug ;-) [16:22] dobey: oh, let me check the code. that might be possible that there is a bug there [16:22] seb128: I did and reassigned to you as its cleary a gtk bug [16:22] * seb128 hugs mvo [16:22] seb128: :P no, reassigned to dpkg [16:22] mvo: yeah i'm looking at the code, but i don't really understand it :) [16:22] did I say that we need an installation issues component? ;-) [16:23] mvo: danke [16:23] its called "dpkg" [16:23] * mvo hides [16:23] and we really need someone deeply faimilar with it [16:23] let's make Keybuk be responsive for this one and all the bugs there ;-) [16:24] dobey: yep, thanks for the report, fixing it now [16:24] * Keybuk looks forward to how you intend to make him responsive [16:24] * mvo gets some popcorn [16:25] mvo: great! any chance we can get a release/update too? :) [16:25] dobey: yes, I just need a bug about it [16:25] mvo: ok, will file [16:25] dobey: the fix is pretty trivial [16:25] * seb128 sends the german mafia to convince Keybuk [16:26] mvo: you are in charge of that now ;-) [16:26] * mvo starts making weeping noises [16:30] Wenn ist das Nunstruck git und Slotermeyer? [16:31] dobey: Ja! .. Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput. [16:32] lol [16:33] heh [16:34] mvo: bug #369324 [16:35] Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/369324/+text) [16:38] dobey: thanks [16:54] pitti, I have posted a new SRU for system-config-printer, bug 365329. Can you approve it? Thanks. [16:54] Launchpad bug 365329 in system-config-printer "HP LaserJet P1005 (using hplip) fails to print in 8.04 and 9.04" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365329 [17:14] tkamppeter: does it really need to be fixed in three packages, or are the other package tasks invalid? === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [17:39] seb128, would you be interested with gnome-bluetooth 2.27.x ? [17:40] crevette: for karmic yes [17:41] seb128, of course, how should I do to replace bluez-gnome in the package ? [17:41] just Replace ? [17:41] Replaces is for when there is file conflicts [17:41] I though they were parallel installable? [17:41] Conflicts/Replaces/Provides [17:41] no [17:41] are you sure? [17:41] the binary names are the same [17:42] not 100% but around 90% [17:42] :) [17:42] you can try it for free https://edge.launchpad.net/~bmillemathias/+archive/ppa :) [17:42] http://wiki.debian.org/Renaming_a_Package [17:42] asac: it's not a rename [17:43] seb128: if its supposed to replace it ;) [17:43] crevette: they should Conflicts, Replaces [17:43] asac: it's a fork [17:43] okay [17:43] thanks for the tip [17:43] seb128: do we still want to support the other package? [17:44] otherwise you can treat it like a rename packaging wise imo [17:44] I would ask to move bluez-gnome to universe, because I don't think it'll wont be updated [17:44] asac: I don't know enough about bluetooth to know [17:44] k;) [17:44] I think that's on the UDS topic lists though [17:44] ah [17:44] yeah so if both stay in the archive jkust conflicts/replaces and adjusting seeds once we want to change the default i guess [17:44] asac, exactly [17:45] crevette: but why is it necessary to ship conflicting files? [17:45] necessary ? [17:45] you mean I could change the binary name ? [17:46] no. just wonder why upstream did that. but guess its just compatibility thing [17:46] gnome-bluetooth is a fork and intend to replace bluez-gnome because the upstream developer was not active [17:47] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-bluetooth-stack [17:47] asac, you're the guy on irt [17:48] i know that i somehow ended up there ;) [17:48] thats why i asked :) [17:48] because of conman? [17:48] does it fit in the spec ? [17:48] no clue and no comment ;) [17:48] okay [17:48] i dont think connman needs a spec either ;) [17:49] why ubuntu is looking for alternative stack ? [17:49] it's not? [17:49] well. connman is in the archive. its just not ready for real use ;) [17:49] i just dont see what a connman spec would contain ;) [17:49] bbl [17:50] it used to have affix tack apparently [17:50] other than "lets try to get latest connman available in karmic " [17:51] asac, so back to my package I should use the method B from you rlink ? [17:52] crevette: for now just create a normal package and set conflicts/replaces on bluez-gnome [17:52] e.g. dont provide the transitional package [17:53] okay, so it's I 've already done in my ppa package [17:53] I should also modify gnome-user-share which recommend bluez-gnome [17:54] crevette: so gnome-bluetooth already exists in jaunty? [17:54] If I could have a 30 hours day, 8 hours to do my day boring job, and 8 to do the thing I want [17:54] apt-cache rdepends gnome-bluetooth [17:54] oiops;) [17:54] asac, yes, but version < 2.xx served for another purpose [17:55] it used to be an obex file server, but now it provides tools to manage bluez [17:55] crevette: what happens to the rdepends? [17:56] seems to be just gpodder [17:56] gpodder should depends on gnome-user-share [17:58] crevette: is gnome-user-share also changed? [17:58] need to [17:59] crevette: no i mean ... did it get a new upstream purpose ;) ... similar to gnome-bluetooth [17:59] ah now, it still a file sharing over WebDAV and bluetooth [18:00] s/still/remains/ [18:00] the scope could move to something wider but later I think [18:02] asac, you're afraid of a moving target? [18:03] need to go [18:03] byz [18:10] kenvandine_wk: ah, welcome back [18:13] i rebooted before lunch and walked away :) [18:13] kenvandine_wk: ah, I was afraid that U1 synced you over into the cloud [18:13] hehe [18:14] it seems to have lost 400M of my data somewhere though :) [18:14] doing a diff now [18:14] which is very slow for 3G [18:26] didrocks: ~30 minutes until your session! [18:27] jcastro: yes, ready. Thanks! :) [19:01] * pitti chuckles at gvfs' 90relibtoolize.patch which patches itself [19:04] heh [19:13] rickspencer3: i just shared something with you... sharing is fixed now btw === racarr_ is now known as racarr [20:32] seb128: the gnome-vfs merge is taking a bit longer, my guess is i'll be ready in 2-3 hours. my home-dsl line is down and i'm stuck with 9.6k/s mobile connection. this is no fun. [20:32] Ampelbein - ouch [20:33] Ampelbein: there is no hurry karmic just opened [20:33] chrisccoulson: yeah. that's what i said ;-) at least it's free. [20:33] and buildds are busy for some weeks with the initial sync ;-) [20:34] why is karmic not broken yet? no fun ;) [20:35] chrisccoulson: did you dist-upgrade to it? ;-) [20:36] I ran the initial debian sync today, some thousand updates [20:36] i did, but it's still working here [20:36] only in a VM so far though ;) [20:36] give some times to the buildds to do their work ;-) [20:40] ooh, the save session button in gnome-session-properties works again with the debian version [20:42] chrisccoulson: yes, it's a patch that I have to review :-) [20:43] cool, thanks vuntz:) [20:48] vuntz - some users are enabling session saving in the preferences, then disabling it sometime later on, but get confused that it doesn't clear their ~/.config/gnome-session/saved-session when they do that. is that the intended behaviour, and should there be a "restore default" button in the preferences to clear the saved session? [20:52] chrisccoulson: it's semi-broken right now. It will get fixed later [20:52] thanks [20:52] chrisccoulson: (ie, this behavior will change) [20:58] Hello [20:59] Anyone here === robby_ is now known as Rue-kun [20:59] Hello anyone out there? [20:59] Rue-kun: what's up? [21:00] I had a question about the kickoff menu [21:00] good night everyone! [21:00] THe favorites menu that shows up. Is there a way to move it hide it? [21:01] 'night pitti [21:01] don't forget that if the barrels land in the oil drum they can climb ladders! [21:01] Rue-kun: I'm wondering if you are looking for #ubuntu for support? [21:02] * pitti remembers the old C64 days [21:02] *wave* [21:02] but which favorites menu do you refer to? [21:02] Ok in Kubuntu the little start menu type thing [21:02] oh [21:03] pitti: 'night [21:04] Rue-kun: you're welcome to hang out here, but unfortunately, we won't be able to answer that too well [21:04] if you go to #kubuntu, you should be able to discuss there and get answers [21:04] this room is more for people who are developing Ubuntu itself [21:04] Ok thank you rickspencer3 sorry ^_^ [21:04] (again, you're more than welcome to hang out, though) [21:05] Rue-kun: no apologies necessary [21:05] I'm glad you're using Kubuntu, it's a kick ass desktop [21:05] :) [21:05] It gets the job done [21:08] Oh oh I have a questions that the devlopment team might be able to answer ^_^ [21:08] Did you ever fix the network manager bug? [21:09] Rue-kun: which bug do you mean? [21:10] Where it wont allow you to keep static ip addesses unless you uninstall the manager then manually write files? [21:21] Rue-kun: that's a kubuntu bug, I believe [21:22] and I believe there were release notes for how to work around it [21:22] a good question for #kubuntu I would guess [21:22] No it happened on my ubuntu compter idk if kubuntu works [21:25] The final comand was "suso nano etc/network/interfaces" [21:27] Rue-kun: do you mean bug 185584? [21:27] Launchpad bug 185584 in adept "Adept manager: deadlock using "manage repositories"" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185584 [21:27] erm bug 185854 [21:27] Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/185854/+text) [21:27] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/185854 [21:28] Launchpad bug 185854 in gnome-system-tools "Setting static IP in Network Settings doesn't produce correct data" [High,Fix released] [21:28] Yes [21:28] fixed since 14.04.2008 [21:29] My teacher will be delighted to hear that [21:37] kenvandine_wk: I saved a file in the shared folder [21:37] can you see it? [21:38] doh, mvo is gone [21:38] rickspencer3: let me check [21:39] rickspencer3: no... [21:39] rickspencer3: i have filed several bugs this afternoon related to sharing [21:39] I created it in gedit, and saved it to the share folder [21:39] but when I look at the folder in nautilus, it's not there [21:39] rickspencer3: did you have any trouble creatin git? [21:39] creating it [21:39] but I can close and reopen the file from within gedit [21:39] humm [21:40] verify the path [21:40] and look at ~/.cache/ubuntuone/logs/syncdaemon.log [21:40] I saved it into Shared With Me/Ubunto One from System Users [21:41] syncing is completely busted for me atm... waiting for a new build with a bug fix [21:41] Shared With Me/Ubunto One from System User [21:41] oh [21:41] it should be "Desktop Team shared from Ken VanDine" [21:41] something like that [21:41] that was read only for pitti [21:41] nothing says that [21:41] and he forced it [21:41] it's all "System User" [21:41] humm [21:42] rickspencer3: you saw the Test.txt file? [21:42] no [21:43] what's in your "Shared with me" folder? [21:43] geez, where is it mounted? [21:44] ~/Ubuntu One/Shared With Me [21:44] never mind, found it [21:44] rick@rick-desktop:~/Ubuntu One/Shared With Me$ ls [21:44] Canonical from System User Company Information from System User Ubuntu One from System User [21:44] it's not a mount point anymore [21:44] ok, you aren't seeing my share [21:44] here [21:44] dr-xr-xr-x 3 rick rick 4096 2009-04-29 07:42 Canonical from System User [21:44] dr-xr-xr-x 2 rick rick 4096 2009-04-29 07:41 Company Information from System User [21:44] drwxr-xr-x 7 rick rick 4096 2009-04-29 13:37 Ubuntu One from System User [21:44] easier [21:45] is it possible that U1 is not running for me? [21:45] possible [21:45] or [21:45] just not syncing [21:45] which is the problem i have now [21:45] it synced 2.6G of data [21:45] then decided it wasn't gonna do any more ;) [21:45] heh [21:46] not even trying to sync... corruption in some metadata [21:46] I think the lock file was not deleted properly, so it's not running for me [21:46] they are working on getting me a fix now [21:46] pitti had that problem [21:46] filed a bug about it [21:46] so whack the lock file [21:46] but I can't tell where the lock file is [21:47] ~/.cache/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/.lock [21:47] something like that [21:47] * rickspencer3 looks [21:47] make sure syncdaemon isn't running [21:49] ok [21:49] I deleted the lock file, and then quit U1, and restarted it [21:49] seems to be moving now [21:50] I see your folder now [21:50] woot [21:50] try to edit Test.txt [21:50] the folder is read onlyu [21:51] right [21:51] ok [21:51] i filed that bug already :/ [21:51] heh [21:51] chmod the folder? [21:51] about 30m ago [21:51] you can [21:51] i think it should work [21:53] *sigh* I didn't chmod recursively :) [21:53] I edited it [21:53] (the Test.tx that is) [21:53] ok [21:54] I see how my .lock file got screwed up [21:54] you can run multiple instances of U1 [21:54] that's probably a bug [21:54] yeah [21:54] ok... so do this [21:55] u1sync --diff ~/Ubuntu\ One/Shared\ With\ Me [21:55] will do, but it seems to be working now [21:55] not syncing your changes out [21:55] or i don't think it is [21:55] ok, gave it access to my keyring [21:56] hmm [21:56] kenvandine_wk: was the command supposed to return? [21:57] files that need to be synced [21:57] nothing? [21:57] it popped a dialog asking for access to my key ring, then blocked at the CL [21:57] it takes time [21:57] k [21:57] and no progress [21:58] the log file does not appear to be changing, and the icon is not moving [21:58] i am betting it will say your version of the file differs [21:58] yeah [21:58] i need to run though... time to get the kids to soccer practice [21:58] ok [21:58] will check tonight to see if the new build fixes some of this stuff [21:58] I can help more tomorrow [21:58] good [21:58] it *looks* very good [21:58] i'll ping you in the morning [21:58] very polished look and feel [21:59] * calc will be trying to upload OOo 3.1.0~rc2-1ubuntu1 today if he can get it working... debian guy forgot to commit his change so i also have to diff his debian dir to the debian bzr repo === jorge__ is now known as jcastro [23:15] harr. back again on 16Mbit/s. now i'm gonna rock! [23:19] Ampelbein - that's good news [23:19] that's faster than my connection [23:19] my broadband dropped to 3.6kbps a few weeks ago, after i told my ISP i was leaving them [23:20] chrisccoulson: whoa. you should cancel your contract... oh wait ;-) [23:20] heh. i'm glad that i'm rid of them now [23:22] i can't complain here. 16mbit down, 1mbit upstream, no limit for 29 Euro/month [23:22] today was only the second time this year that the line went down. [23:22] but it's usually up after 3-10 hours, so... [23:24] yeah, that sounds pretty good. is that cable or dsl? [23:25] dsl === ember_ is now known as ember