[00:40] <tsimpson> !forget seenserv
[01:11] <blizzkid> what's the right channel to ask about ubuntu membership?
[01:12] <Pici> blizzkid: There really isn't any, but if you join #ubuntu-offtopic I'd be glad to answer some questions if I can.
[01:12] <blizzkid> ok
[02:36] <Pici> !support-#ubuntu-offtopic
[02:36] <Pici> !support-#ubuntu-offtopic =~ s/ discussion/other discussion/
[02:36] <Pici> @login
[02:36] <Pici> !support-#ubuntu-offtopic =~ s/ discussion/other discussion/
[02:44] <Pici> s/other/LjL/
[02:45] <Pici> what a maroon
[02:45] <LjL> no u
[02:45] <Pici> That fellow that just left that oh so pleaseant away message in #u just said 'sorry' in pm
[06:58] <Flannel> Sigh.
[06:58] <Flannel> Ok op people.  I need your help!
[07:02] <Myrtti> Flannel: yes?
[07:03] <Flannel> Myrtti: I've got a LoCo member guy, plenty enthusiastic, etc.  But a bit misguided sometimes.  Tends to just run off and do stuff on his own, instead of utilizing the LoCo (asking for input, help, etc).  Some of this was in direct conflict with what we decided the LoCo would do.  (thats the end of the background).  Now he's... trolling (well, time-sink, split hairs, being difficult and stubborn).
[07:06] <elky> Flannel, anyone we might know?
[07:06] <Flannel> elky: Likely not.  Certainly not a troublemaker from #u or anything like that.
[07:07] <Flannel> I'm just... torn on what to do.  I'm sort of thinking hes being difficult because... well, I don't know why.
[07:08] <Flannel> He's somewhat new in the LoCo, but been here long enough (approx 1 year?) that he should have assimilated these things by now.  And I know he's got aspirations to create a LUG (and may have difficulties keeping the two separate).
[07:11] <elky> Flannel, what kind of things are we talking about anyway
[07:12] <Myrtti> Flannel: ask him if he knows how the other locos work and suggest he joins one you know functions well
[07:12] <Myrtti> s/joins/joins the irc channel of/
[07:12] <Flannel> Myrtti: Hah
[07:12] <Flannel> I was going to say, I'm suggesting he leave the state?
[07:13]  * Myrtti got up from bed one hour earlier than normal to clean up the place
[07:13] <Myrtti> -->
[07:13] <Flannel> elky: This particular discussion has to do with the usage of the team wiki page.  What is appropriate, what isn't, etc.
[07:14] <Flannel> elky: But, the last time I spoke with him (aboutmaking sure to keep the LoCo in the loop when planning LoCo activities, etc), was the same sort of thing.  By the end he was asking questions that really had nothing to do with what we spoke about, etc.
[07:14] <Flannel> AS if he was a) hearing only what he wanted ot hear, or b) completely had no understanding of english c) thought it was opposite day.
[07:16] <elky> it sounds like d) All of the above, but it's probably a)
[07:16] <Flannel> yeah, but that doesn't help me decide on a course of action.
[07:17] <elky> how many people are actually trying to mediate him?
[07:17] <Flannel> mediate being defined as?
[07:17] <elky> if it's just you, he's going to take it as 'only one person thinks i'm doing wrong, therefore he mus tbe the wrong one'
[07:18] <elky> Flannel, speaking with him about boundaries, etc
[07:18] <Flannel> Ah, well, right now in the channel there's three of us.  But, so far it's mainly just been me.
[07:18] <elky> so there's your problem.
[07:19] <Flannel> We were worried about assaulting him with lots ofpeople
[07:19] <elky> he thinks he's the sole doer of the group, hence disregards what you're saying
[07:19] <topyli> sounds like one of those "important" people
[07:19] <Flannel> topyli: that's exactly correct.
[07:21] <topyli> always reminds me of this "nice to be important and important to be nice" dub
[07:21] <topyli> it also always bothers me because i forget the artist
[07:21] <topyli> hah! yellowman
[07:32] <Seeker`> nalioth: please can you prod the mootbot logs
[08:22] <topyli> heh, reading a support forum for my router. it has samba support and many people naturally have usb disks hooked up. in this theread this person wonders whether to format his disk as ext3. "ext3 should be better with small files while xfs might be better with big files" and so on
[08:22] <topyli> and this is the wrong channel *goes*
[08:23] <elky> can someone else stop the thread of getting laid and 'gentlemens clubs' please
[08:23] <elky> in -ot
[08:28] <Flannel> "thread" != one message
[08:33] <topyli> on a not-so different note, sometimes i wonder whether or not it's good to have drderek around
[08:33] <Myrtti> sometimes i wonder whether or not it's good to have me around
[08:34] <Flannel> sometimes I wander around
[08:36] <Flannel> Hi Chr|s, how can we help you today?
[08:36] <Chr|s> elky: was I wrong to do an o4o trigger?
[08:36] <elky> Chr|s, nope. you felt uncomfortable, and that's the reason we have it there.
[08:36]  * Flannel notes that !guidelines would've sufficed.
[08:36] <Chr|s> it wasn't that, it was because someone mentioned a website which is not suitable to freenodes guidlines
[08:37] <Chr|s> Flannel: I will keep that in consideration
[08:37] <elky> Flannel, guidelines is also alot more to read than a factoid, and most wont. most will read the factoid.
[08:37] <Flannel> Chr|s: It's not terribly important.  As long as the message is gotten across in an appropriate manner.  You can always type stuff out too, if you don't know what factoid to use.
[08:37] <topyli> i missed it. otherwise i'd have removed him on the spot
[08:38] <Flannel> topyli: I should've pinged you then
[08:38] <Chr|s> Flannel: alright
[08:38] <Flannel> Chr|s: Typing it out means you don't have to worry about if the factoid is 100% applicable, etc.
[08:39] <Flannel> Chr|s: Mind you, you can do whatever you'd like and prefer.
[08:39] <Chr|s> Flannel: to an extent :)
[08:40] <Chr|s> Can I idle here? I wanna feel important.
[08:40] <topyli> heehe
[08:40] <topyli> no
[08:41] <Chr|s> bummer :( heh thanks
[08:41] <topyli> create #ubuntu-VIP :)
[08:41]  * popey joins
[08:41] <Chr|s> heh
[08:42] <Chr|s> I feel special now
[08:42] <Chr|s> <3
[08:42] <popey> "special"
[08:42] <topyli> hahaha
[08:42] <elky> topyli, you just suggested what?
[08:43] <Myrtti> "my mum says I drive the little bus becuz I'm speshul"
[08:43] <topyli> elky: i hope he doesn't actually do it
[08:44] <elky> he did.
[08:44] <topyli> oh great
[08:44] <Myrtti> http://www.davidandgoliathtees.com/index.php?mode=DETAIL&parent=HWT&pid=7769&page=4&perpage=16
[08:45] <Myrtti> oh look, it's GWENDA! http://www.davidandgoliathtees.com/index.php?mode=DETAIL&parent=HWT&pid=7694&page=10&perpage=16
[09:16] <ikonia> @bansearch histo
[09:16] <ikonia> hope I didn't leave a forward on 
[09:17] <ikonia> I hope they are MARKS
[09:17] <ikonia> @bansearch
[09:17] <ikonia> oops
[09:17] <ikonia> @btlogin
[09:18] <ikonia> phew, no bans for histo 
[09:18] <Myrtti> I just looooove our intraweb
[09:19] <ikonia> ?
[09:20] <Myrtti> "+ bonus banana: webdav share (behind authentication)"
[09:20] <Myrtti> monkey see, monkey do
[09:20] <Myrtti> juk juk
[09:20] <Myrtti> :-DDDD
[09:22] <ikonia> are you taking drugs ? or just hitting the ramdom comment generator
[09:22] <ikonia> I'm not following %1
[09:22]  * topyli backs away from Myrtti slowly
[09:22] <Myrtti> ikonia: that's from a task assignment given to me
[09:22] <Myrtti> list of several things to set up to a server
[09:22] <ikonia> oh
[09:22] <Myrtti> and as the last item
[09:22] <Myrtti> a bonus banana
[09:23] <topyli> the best kind!
[09:23]  * Myrtti scratches her head in an orangutang style
[09:23] <Myrtti> JUKJUK!
[09:29] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu ActionParsnip starting to get into really bad advice habbits
[09:44] <Myrtti> ok, this is only getting better
[09:57] <ikonia> need to update the page from the !upgrade factoid
[10:04] <Myrtti> today seems to be one of the crackpot days again
[10:04] <Myrtti> without dwelling into details
[10:04] <ikonia> very
[10:04] <bazhang> ah now I know who useruseruser is
[10:05] <Myrtti> oh?
[10:05] <ikonia> who ?
[10:05] <bazhang> he of the guunnnniiit (aka userus_)
[10:05] <bazhang> let me do a quick btsearch to confirm though, kicked for that before
[10:06] <bazhang> @login
[10:08] <elky> crap, didnt mean to post that yet
[10:08] <elky> crapcrapcrap.
[10:08] <ikonia> ha ha ha ha ha
[10:09] <ikonia> may as well get the responses then
[10:17] <bazhang> gah cant find it, used to do that guuuunnitt quite a bit in main channel (userus_, useruseruser)
[10:22] <elky> bazhang, not worth hunting over
[10:22] <bazhang> elky, okay
[10:49] <popey> Myrtti: that guy in #u is on 7.10 so he _has_ to edit sources.list
[10:49] <popey> 7.10 is on old-releases now
[10:50] <Myrtti> oh right, I keep forgetting that since I'm on 8.10 myself still
[11:04] <ikonia> ok upgrade instructions now updated
[11:04] <ikonia> the !install link is now valid again
[11:27] <popey> xcdfgkjhgcv returns
[11:31] <ikonia> only to the troll pit
[11:31] <ikonia> I liked that he set him self up yesterday
[11:31] <ikonia> called the swine flu people dicks for being ill, then came in complaining that he felt ill, so does that make him a dick for being ill ;)
[11:32] <popey> he came into -uk just now
[11:32] <popey> kick on sight
[11:32] <ikonia> ah
[11:32] <ikonia> forgot to rejoin -uk after my client restart
[11:32] <popey> i suggested DJones sit in here as he is now an op of that channel
[11:32] <popey> that okay?
[11:32] <ikonia> op of uk ?
[11:32] <popey> yes
[11:33] <ikonia> I don't have a problem with it, but then I'm out of the loop on policy 
[11:33] <bazhang> hehe
[11:33] <ikonia> seeing as no-one has authroized me to the irc-team yet in launchpad
[11:33] <bazhang> !seeker
[11:33] <popey> well, _I_ am in here, and I'm not an op of #ubuntu
[11:33] <ikonia> popey: as I said, I'm sure it's fine
[11:34] <ikonia> popey: I like having you here, saved me having to join #-uk to poke fun at you
[11:34] <popey> hah
[11:34] <bazhang> !seeker
[11:34] <bazhang> much better ^^
[11:35] <popey> i prefered the old one
[11:35] <jussi01> !-seeker
[11:35] <jussi01> uh uh
[11:35] <ikonia> jussi01: fix my edit permissions on the bot will you please
[11:36] <ikonia> jussi01: when the database went funny I lost my editor permissions
[11:36] <popey> \o/
[11:36] <bazhang> DJones, welcome!
[11:36] <ikonia> bazhang: shush, I was going to fake him out
[11:37] <DJones> thanks
[11:37] <bazhang> oof
[11:37] <ikonia> too quick
[11:37] <ikonia> you ruined
[11:37] <bazhang> aww
[11:38] <DJones> never mind, no doubt you'll catch me out out some other tinme
[11:38] <ikonia> moments gone now
[11:41]  * jussi01 wonders who DJones is... ??
[11:43]  * DJones is somebody who must have done something wrong and found himself added to the access list in -uk as punishment and rather thank make a mess, would rather watch & learn before doing something stupid
[11:46] <bazhang> * [xcdfgkjhgcv] (n=xcdfgjkh@host86-171-251-119.range86-171.btcentralplus.com): xcdfgjkhgcv
[11:49] <Gary> DJones: aww, I was waiting to watch the time you set /mode +b *!*@*
[11:53] <gnomefreak> it must be way too early, DJones someone did something bad and you gave him ops in a channel? please tell me i miss read that
[11:53] <elky> why is -uk more special than the other locos?
[11:53] <popey> who said it was?
[11:53]  * elky re-reads the topic.
[11:54] <popey> I clearly made a mistake recommending DJones come in here
[11:54] <elky> i really dont want a situation where we have a representative of every single loco channel here. it's bad enough dealing with -offtopic with the excess of cooks here now.
[11:54] <popey> It seems apparent I'm not welcome either.
[11:55] <elky> popey, you're part of the wallpaper
[11:55]  * popey was being serious
[11:55] <elky> you even have a pretty yellow dot saying so
[11:56] <gnomefreak> can i have a pretty blue dot?
[11:56]  * jussi01 gives gnomefreak a purple dot :D
[11:56] <gnomefreak> jussi01: perfect :)
[11:56] <elky> gnomefreak, let me figure how to hack my xchat config
[11:57] <gnomefreak> ah that explains why i dont see little dots
[11:57] <Myrtti> I can haz purple pluses \o/
[12:00] <elky> popey, all i'm saying is it's getting out of hand. this is a mediation channel, not a training academy.
[12:01] <popey> ok
[12:05] <bazhang> whoa look who just joined -ot
[12:05] <DJones> elky: I'm quite happy to leave, I did say to popey that I was aware of the no idling policy here, so I didn't expect that I'd be allowed to stay anyway, but i appreciated popey's suggestion as a place to learn, I'll stick with -irc in future
[12:06] <elky> bazhang, he's been in there since this time yesterday
[12:06] <elky> bazhang, please do not draw attention to it.
[12:06] <bazhang> elky, I just said look who, did not mention a nick
[12:06] <elky> bazhang, some others yesterday decided to wave.
[12:06] <elky> dorks.
[12:07]  * Myrtti rolls her eyes
[12:07] <bazhang> elky, I am just a spectator in there at any rate.
[12:07] <bazhang> elky, assuming the 'too many cooks' reference
[12:08] <elky> bazhang, i'm talking about in here, when we get the -ot trolls in here, and we end up with 5 people trying to mediate
[12:09] <bazhang> elky, then there should be clear layout of how that gets done.
[12:10] <elky> we used to be able to rely on 'one person at a time' as being commonsense.
[12:10] <bazhang> indeed.
[12:11] <bazhang> IRCC members first, then senior ops, then ?
[12:11] <gnomefreak> thats a word you dont hear often in regaurd to trolls
[12:11] <elky> bazhang, whoever takes ownership of the issue first, then others if assistance is requested
[12:12] <bazhang> elky, thanks for clarification
[12:12] <elky> there's a reason i PM you when you're dealing with someone, rather than just jumping in
[12:12] <gnomefreak> shouldnt IRCC be last in the order
[12:12] <ikonia> bazhang: who joined offtopic ?
[12:12] <bazhang> ikonia, PM
[12:12] <elky> gnomefreak, depends, not always possible.
[12:12] <ikonia> err ok
[12:12] <ikonia> sorry not been paying attention
[12:12] <gnomefreak> elky: ah true
[12:53] <Pici> bazhang: He pm'ed and told me he'll stop.  So... no more warnings if he does it again.
[12:53] <bazhang> Pici, okay; did not think the !ot would send him to post in -ot, sorry about that
 stew is administrator or bot ? becouse i dont know with who i was talking
[12:57] <bazhang> :/
[12:58] <stew> bot
[12:59] <bazhang> hehe
[13:00] <elky> stew, does not compute.
[13:01] <stew> Why do you say does not compute?
[13:02] <elky> stew, isn't that what all bots say?
[13:02] <bazhang> nice poll in -ot
[13:02] <stew> Is it because what all bots say that you came to me?
[13:03] <elky> he sure sounds like a bot
[13:03] <bazhang> wow freenode has been taken over by skynet
[13:04] <bazhang> !gary
[13:04] <bazhang> :0
[13:04] <elky> bazhang, eh?
[13:05] <bazhang> stew is freenode stafff is he not?
[13:05] <bazhang> -f
[13:06] <elky> he is. what does that have to do with the price of fish in china?
[13:10]  * jussi01 got chinese tea today :D real chinese tea :D
[13:11] <jussi01> not that I can read much of what it says on the pack...
[13:12] <bazhang> haha
[13:12] <Myrtti> jussi01: I trust you've replenished your marmite/vegemite supplies?
[13:12] <jussi01> bazhang: you are from that part of the world, no?
[13:12] <jussi01> Myrtti: yes
[13:12] <popey> \o/ marmite
[13:12] <bazhang> jussi01, yep, TW
[13:12]  * popey is chomping marmite flavour rice cakes
[13:12] <popey> nom nom nom
[13:12] <jussi01> Myrtti: got a package for my birthday
[13:12] <Myrtti> jussi01: excellent, then I don't have to bring more than two jars of the stuff back to Finland
[13:13] <jussi01> :D
[13:13] <Myrtti> vappu picnic requests...
[13:13] <jussi01> Myrtti: no, you dont - Im in the UK saturday/sunday anyway
[13:13] <Myrtti> jussi01: boo.
[13:14] <Myrtti> jussi01: are you flying via Helsinki?
[13:14] <jussi01> yes
[13:14] <Myrtti> meh
[13:14] <jussi01> ??
[13:14] <jussi01> Oulu - Helsinki - Manchester
[13:15] <Myrtti> me and D could've had a cuppa with you if you'd been traveling via TRE
[13:16] <jussi01> Myrtti: yeah, unfortunately... well nothing except rynscare flies out of tmp...
[13:16] <Myrtti> I know... *sigh*
[13:16] <ikonia> ThomasHC: hi 
[13:18] <Myrtti> ThomasHC: how may we help you?
[13:23] <ikonia> I guess he doesn't need help
[13:24] <Pici> !bansearch ThomasHC 
[13:24] <Pici> @bansearch ThomasHC 
[13:24] <popey> heh
[13:24] <Myrtti> :->
[13:26] <bazhang> whoops that was for david3 not thomashc
[14:19] <christian_> how do i get back to windows?
[14:19] <christian_> i partiontioned my hard drive and now i am gettiing blue screen error
[14:20] <bazhang> christian_, support in #ubuntu
[14:20] <christian_> what the fuck fagggits tell me 
[14:20] <bazhang> christian_, wait, windows?
[14:20] <elky> that will not get you help
[14:20] <LjL> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat?action=diff&rev1=333&rev2=334
[14:20] <LjL> do you like this?
[14:21] <tsimpson> if you have a "blue screen error", you're probably already on windows
[14:21] <Pici> LjL: I'd rather see mibbit there than a listing of clients for every other OS
[14:21] <ikonia> what the fuck faggots ????
[14:22] <Pici> What?
[14:22] <elky> guys, forget him.
[14:22] <Pici> ikonia: ?
[14:22] <elky> LjL, i dont see what changed...
[14:22] <ikonia> 14:20 < christian_> what the fuck fagggits tell me 
[14:22] <ikonia> ????
[14:22] <Pici> ikonia: We saw him. Hes gone.
[14:22] <LjL> Pici: yes, i complained about having mac os added yesterday - but this time i meant about moving the clients list to the bottom, and adding an *ALL BOLD* prominent uppercase notice about not reporting bugs to the trackers
[14:22] <ikonia> where did that come from ?
[14:23] <LjL> Pici: i mean, i don't think every other help.ubuntu.com page we have that mention programs warns you about reporting unrelated bug to the upstream tracker... do they?
[14:24] <LjL> elky: you don't see what changed because that's not really the diff to the version as of yesterday, but only to the previous version from the same author, sorry
[14:24] <Pici> ikonia: it was a banforward
[14:24] <LjL> elky: this is probably more like it https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat?action=diff&rev1=331&rev2=334
[14:24] <Myrtti> LjL: it needs more love in any case
[14:25] <LjL> it might need more love, but it certainly doesn't need random bold statements added
[14:25] <elky> who put that there?
[14:25] <LjL> elky: some "chemistrydioxide"
[14:26] <elky> seems like a pidgin dev...
[14:26] <Pici> The user info link for him seems to be broken
[14:26] <elky> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&hs=E89&q=chemistrydioxide+ubuntu&btnG=Search
[14:27] <elky> or just someone who annoys them too
[14:27] <LjL> elky: yes, pretty sure to be a pidgin dev, since he rants about ubuntu users logging ubuntu support questions on the pidgin bugtracker
[14:28] <Pici> I highly doubt that our IRC page is the source 
[14:28] <Pici> I say revert the change.
[14:28] <LjL> i say if someone's such an idiot they don't understand that "Pidgin" is an IRC client with which to connect to #ubuntu, and instead they 1) google "Pidgin" 2) find its bugtracker 3) log an Ubuntu question on it...
[14:28] <LjL> that's hardly the fault of our page
[14:28] <tsimpson> people often report ubuntu issues on <upstream bugtracker> anyway
[14:29] <Pici> Drop a note on the pidgin wiki page and be done with it.
[14:29]  * genii pries his eyes open, wanders to the coffeepot and puts a fresh batch on
[14:29] <tsimpson> it's already in the pidgin wiki page
[14:29] <LjL> of course, because he edited that too
[14:30] <LjL> the Pidgin page is very ill-designed anyway
[14:30] <LjL> why would it have a section for reporting bugs to upstream?
[14:30] <LjL> now *that* might much more easily be the source of user confusion
[14:30] <elky> LjL, revert the irc page thingie
[14:31] <LjL> yes elky i will. i think i will also remove the reference to Colloquy and add Mibbit instead like pici said.
[14:31] <LjL> and drop a note about it all in #ubuntu-doc
[14:31] <elky> good idea
[14:34] <Pici> I've subscribed myself to the IRC page too
[14:39] <LjL> what do you think of the term "chatroom" he used to explain "channel"?
[14:39] <LjL> aside from the fact that i usually kill anyone on sight who uses that term to refer to irc channels...
[14:39] <LjL> i think it can easily give people the wrong idea too
[14:40] <ikonia> a/s/l please
[14:40] <elky> what ikonia said
[14:40] <LjL> yes, that's what i meant with "the wrong idea"
[14:40] <ikonia> 67/m/arm chair
[14:40] <LjL> but perhaps he might be right thinking there's a need to clarify what a "channel" is? (i'm not sure myself, just wondering)
[14:41] <elky> ikonia, not 75/m/outside your window, watching you ?
[14:41] <LjL> i'll make it "There are many real-time discussion channels for the Ubuntu community"
[14:42] <LjL> if you don't understand what a real-time discussion it, don't join ;P
[14:42] <ikonia> elky: not yet........
[14:42] <elky> anyway, bedtime for me
[14:43] <Pici> goodnight
[14:43] <ikonia> night elky 
[14:49] <LjL> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat?action=diff&rev2=335&rev1=334
[15:14]  * genii hands Pici a coffee
[15:42] <genii> jussi01: Some server crashed upstairs here so I'm /away working on it for a bit
[16:14] <ikonia> @bansearch xcdfgkjhgcv 
[16:33] <Pici> fcol @ fscking a mounted filesystem
[16:33] <ikonia> he was lucky to not do that
[16:38] <jussi01> sigh...
[16:38] <ikonia> what's up
[16:47] <jussi01> ikonia: meh... life... and a few stupid people...
[16:47] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[16:51] <genii> jussi01: Ooops i didn't catch the profanity there in #k offtopc
[16:53] <LjL> why, you care about profanity in #k-ot nowadays?
[16:53] <LjL> that's news
[16:54] <ikonia> profanity in any of the channels isn't cool
[16:54] <ikonia> not seeing the language in the ubuntu channels has genuinly made me appreciate how over used other channels are with bad language
[16:58] <LjL> well, in the past when i complained about such things about #k-ot, i was mostly ignored or told they were acceptable
[17:08] <genii> I usually don't sweat over swearing much in offtopic if it's in context, a warning once in a while or so. It doesn't bother me there as much as in the regular support channels
[17:09] <ikonia> genii: the regular support channels are monitored quite good on bad language in my opinion
[17:09] <genii> ikonia: I agree
[17:12] <genii> ikonia: Maybe someone msg'd him the    rm -rf        command or so
[17:12] <ikonia> hence why I'm asking
[17:14] <Pici> Whats the question?
[17:14] <ikonia> "why did you just say that"
[17:15] <ikonia> 17:14 <jhodgins> Caus eI saw it and was like whats that mean?
[17:15] <ikonia> 17:14 <ikonia> then why did you not ask "what does this mean"
[17:15] <ikonia> 17:14 <jhodgins> because I like drama.
[17:15] <ikonia> he knew what he was doing
[17:15] <ikonia> or she did
[17:16] <Pici> ah
[17:17] <ikonia> I've explained to her the problem, lets see how she behaves
[19:10] <jussi01> genii: you speak spanish?
[19:10] <genii> jussi01: Hehe, no. babelfish does
[19:10] <LjL> that sounded more like google translate to me
[19:10] <jussi01> hehe
[19:11] <genii> When i do a whois on him I think he uppercased the u like: #Ubuntu-es   
[19:12] <jussi01> nom nom, half price meat from the supermarket cooked section :D
[19:12] <LjL> genii: who? i don't see that
[19:12] <LjL> besides, case of channels in /whois should be dictated by who *created* the channel i believe, not by the joiner
[19:12] <Pici> LjL: supremo
[19:13] <LjL> [20:13:07] [Whois] supremo is a user on channels: #kubuntu #ubuntu-es
[19:13] <Pici> from irssi: channels : #Ubuntu-es #kubuntu
[19:13] <LjL> weird
[19:13]  * LjL tries from telnet
[19:13] <Pici> Its silly that channels are even case sensitive anywhere
[19:14] <LjL> they are not
[19:14] <LjL> they are sometimes case preserving, but not case sensitive
[19:14] <Pici> LjL: er, right, wrong word.
[19:14] <LjL> Pici: irssi is right
[19:15] <LjL> Pici: it's weird though that my konversation sometimes *does* show channels not all lowercase, too. just not for supremo
[19:16] <LjL> for instance my own WHOIS in konversation shows #Kubuntu-es, with an uppercase K
[19:16] <LjL> but that's because the channel was created like that
[19:17] <Pici> Weird.
[19:17] <genii> Gah work again. AFK
[19:19] <LjL> Pici: anyway i think there have been bugs in the floodbots in the past due to irc's case preservingness
[19:20] <LjL> at some point i filled the code with strtolower()s because i couldn't understand why something was happening... =)
[19:21] <Pici> LjL: string comparison bugs?
[19:22] <LjL> Pici: but see a channel on irc is very much like a nickname. it practically *is* a nickname on old ircds (/whois will return "no such nick/channel")... and it's pretty clear that nicknames preserve case
[19:22] <LjL> Pici: yeah
[19:22] <LjL> Pici: they'd ignore people who joined #Ubuntu instead of #ubuntu, for instance
[19:22] <Pici> LjL: Interesting
[19:22] <LjL> Pici: because when you PRIVMSG a channel, people will actually see, as the channel name, the name you used when JOINing
[19:22] <LjL> with its own case
[19:23] <Pici> I know
[19:23] <LjL> Pici: no wait i'm wrong on that - privmsg will show the actual case
[19:23] <LjL> Pici: but the JOIN itself will reflect what the joiner used
[19:24] <Pici> LjL: Right, that makes more sense.
[19:25] <LjL> Pici: so the floodbots would log "UNEXPECTED: foobar joined #UbuntU", and then forget completely about foobar's existence
[19:26] <LjL> of course, i would have easily noticed that by checking the logs.
[19:26] <LjL> but there is no fun in that.
[19:30] <genii> Strange behaviour, that
[19:31] <Pici> LjL: I'm at work, so I won't try visiting that site, is it banworthy?
[19:33] <LjL> which site pici?
[19:33] <Pici> LjL: The site that NeoGeo64 linked to
[19:34] <LjL> Pici: ah i hadn't even noticed that link. it looks like porn.
[19:35] <LjL> as in, it is porn.
[19:45] <Pici> [brubin@SPAPP60:collect/rubin]$ rm test                                        (04-29 11:06)
[19:45] <Pici> er, 
[19:45] <Pici> http://ircwall.snuxoll.com/quotes/120 is pretty funny.
[19:49] <genii> jussi01: <Riddell> **  Kubuntu Q & A session in 15 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom (questions to #ubuntu-classroom-chat)
[19:49] <genii> And others who may be interested^^
[21:11] <LjL> Pici: quite a work of art, innit
[21:55] <LjL> !truecrypt
[21:56] <LjL> !no truecrypt is <reply> Truecypt is a freeware on-the-fly disk encryption software.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TruecryptHiddenVolume
[21:56] <LjL> ask jdong :)
[21:57] <jdong> hehe :)
[22:33] <Pricey> jussi01: looks like he's just going to repeat everything i say in pm..
[22:34] <LjL> please lastlog neogeo64, he was being a troll earlier too
[22:34] <LjL> also, i banned him... years ago
[22:34] <jussi01> Pricey: Im off to bed, so if he comes in...
[22:35] <Pricey> Yep I noticed him back earlier, had been watching him but a little late this time.
[22:35] <LjL> [22:42] *** NeoGeo64!i=nine11@adsl-144-227-10.aby.bellsouth.net has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:36] <LjL> [22:42] <NeoGeo64> Help, where can I find the keygen for Ubuntu 7.10
[22:36] <LjL> [22:42] <mc44> NeoGeo64: don't troll please
[22:36] <LjL> same troll in 2007 as 2009
[22:36] <LjL> [22:55] <NeoGeo64> When I was younger, I was into hentai hardcore.
[22:36] <LjL> [22:55] <NeoGeo64> I got out of that phase eventually
[22:36] <LjL> [22:56] *** NeoGeo64 has left #ubuntu-offtopic (requested by LjL: "You should have known better, bye")
[22:36] <LjL> this is Session Start: Wed Oct 17 22:20:14 2007
[22:36] <Pricey> He did moe than that didn't he?
[22:37] <LjL> Pricey: well, not stuff he got banned for, but yes
[22:37] <LjL> [22:49] <NeoGeo64> 12 year old girls?
[22:37] <LjL> [22:49] <NeoGeo64> jk
[22:37] <LjL> [22:50] <NeoGeo64> oh in that case plz upload to tinypic or smth
[22:37] <LjL> [22:50] <NeoGeo64> i need new material.
[22:37] <LjL> [22:50] <NeoGeo64> ok dude
[22:37] <LjL> [22:50] <NeoGeo64> you cant show 12 year old girls posing in their underwear
[22:38] <LjL> he was also around in 2008, never banned according to my log (don't know according to the bantracker)
[22:38] <LjL> but kinda trollish still
[22:44] <jdong> what on earth?
[22:44] <jdong> we allow that in -ot?
[22:44] <LjL> jdong: this is not now, it's 2007 and 2008
[22:44] <LjL> jdong: but, yes. sometimes.
[22:45] <jdong> mmm I see
[22:45] <LjL> jdong: i did ban him at least once as you can see anyway
[22:45] <Pricey> jdong: he was banned a few minutes ago
[22:46] <Pricey> he seemed to join to troll #ubuntu about 4 hours ago, but nothing since
[22:46] <jdong> interesting
[22:48] <LjL> jdong: anyway you have a point in that my logs do show he's been let talk freely in #ubuntu for way too long in 2008
[22:48] <LjL> #ubuntu-offtopic even
[22:49] <jdong> well I had no context to go on, but yeah from the snippet posted it was a bit *WHOA*
[22:50] <LjL> jdong: well the snippet itself is, well, a snippet - could just be that no ops were around to see that.
[22:50] <jdong> exactly
[22:51] <LjL> it's such a shame we don't have the old bantracker database, too.
[22:51] <LjL> even before dumping it, seveas was planning to only keep the last year of it
[22:51] <LjL> crazy idea
[22:52] <LjL> trolls *do* come back. always.
[22:57] <Seeker`> you know what they say; once an evilGary, always an evilGary 
[23:01] <popey> !seeker
[23:10] <bazhang> @bansearch chronic
[23:12] <Seeker`> popey: :(
[23:13] <Seeker`> who changed it back from "something clever"?
[23:13] <bazhang> not me
[23:13] <bazhang> !-seeker
[23:13] <Seeker`> !jussi01
[23:13] <LjL> Seeker`: someone clever did
[23:13] <LjL> Seeker`: someone stupid asked
[23:14] <bazhang> chronic is banned only in +1?
[23:14] <Seeker`> i'm not particularly bothered, I'm the one that added it iwht "something stupid"
[23:34] <LjL> bazhang: i don't think there was anything particularly bannable in other channels, no
[23:34] <ikonia> bazhang: yes
[23:35] <ikonia> bazhang: no and ubuntu too
[23:35] <ikonia> LjL: there was
[23:35] <ikonia> LjL: he got removed from ubuntu ubuntu+1 and kubuntu 
[23:35] <ikonia> @btlogin
[23:35] <ikonia> he's changed his client to get around 
[23:36] <ikonia> http://ubottu.com/bans.cgi?sess=b8fdd2c46b3de6b218dc501145630020
[23:36] <ikonia> oops
[23:36] <ikonia> idiot
[23:36] <ikonia> *!*@c-76-99-4-25.hsd1.pa.comcast.net 
[23:36] <ikonia> that was kubuntu ban
[23:37] <Seeker`> thats bad to post that link
[23:37] <Seeker`> how long are sessions valid for?
[23:37] <ikonia> @btlogin
[23:37] <ikonia> it's not any more
[23:38] <Pricey> no, it still is
[23:38] <ikonia> oh, I thought it was gone once you started a new one
[23:39] <ikonia> how do you clear it down ?
[23:40] <LjL> ikonia: you have 20 minutes to find out before it gets logged on irclogs.u.c. :)
[23:40] <ikonia> ha ha, tsimpson jussi01 ping
[23:41] <Seeker`> does accessing it prolong the session?
[23:42] <ikonia> closed my windows while I'm investingating
[23:42] <ikonia> can't hurt
[23:43]  * Seeker` keeps on opening that URL :P
[23:43] <ikonia> thanks for that
[23:44] <Seeker`> ikonia: oh yeah, 16 mins left btw :P
[23:44] <ikonia> it will be fine
[23:45] <ikonia> just need to find where the session file is kept on ubottu's server I believe
[23:46] <Seeker`> ikonia: in the db?
[23:46] <ikonia> don't know, don't know if it's in the db or flat file
[23:46] <ikonia> I've got some notes some where on this PC 
[23:51] <bazhang> ikonia, okay, just saw him in #kubuntu and wanted to be sure he wasn't ban dodging (again)
[23:52] <ikonia> bazhang: and he was, so I removed him
[23:52] <bazhang> ah okay
[23:55] <genii> Return of "chronic" ?
[23:56] <genii> @btlogin
[23:56] <ikonia> can't find my darn notes on how to delete that session, where is tsimpson or jussi01 when you want one