[00:21] so... im trying to mount an external usb drive to ubuntu.... i need help :) (suprise suprise...) [00:22] device has id of sdb [00:22] currently has no partitions... [00:23] okay so, Ubuntu 9.04 has been out for a while, but my 8.10 server is working just fine. Should I still upgrade or leave it as is ? [00:23] captainkirk: well you need to partition it and create a File system in order to mount it [00:23] Iceman_B|SSH: do you need anything in new release? [00:24] no clue whats in the new rel- [00:24] brb, checking release notes [00:24] jmedina: i am using webmin... is type linux the best option? [00:24] Iceman_B|SSH: so? [00:24] Iceman_B|SSH: how do you want to upgrade to something unknown? [00:24] I would create a test machine (thanks virtualization :D), and do some testing [00:24] I assume that having a newer version of a certain program/distro is generally a good thing [00:25] hm, not really a possibility [00:25] im using sortof old hardware, and only a CLI [00:25] jmedina: okay, i have created a partition of type linux [00:26] jmedina: using full disk capacity [00:27] jmedina: does the 'mount as' directory need to exist already, or does the process of mounting create it? [00:27] Iceman_B|SSH: well not always, somethimes there are things that brakes becase config changes, bad upgrade procedures, [00:28] I always check change logs for every upgradable critical service in my sistem [00:28] create a copy of that machine, upgrade, and start testing [00:28] this way I never had a problem upgrading remote servers [00:29] hm hm [00:29] thats wise [00:29] Is there a way to Xfer the ssh-rsa key text that the eucalyptus-cc gives you to type into the eucalyptus node for auth ? besides typing and prying you have typed the 3 hundred keys correctly ? [00:29] captainkirk: 'mount as" what you mean? [00:29] maybe Im dense, but where can I find a list of things that have changed and/or are new with Ubuntu server 9.04 ? [00:29] you need an existing mount point in your filesystem tree [00:30] captainkirk: did you create a filesystem on the partition? [00:30] jmedina: i am using webmin and is has a 'mount as' option listing different file types, ext2 ext3 etc [00:30] jmedina: yes i chose 'linux' [00:30] captainkirk: well I dont use webmin sin 2002 :D [00:30] linux is not a filesystem, that is the partition type [00:31] by "create a filesystem" I mean "Format the partition" [00:31] oooo so i need to create a partition still [00:31] partitions and filesistems are different things [00:31] for example [00:31] yes, i understand that [00:32] mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1 [00:32] where sdb1 is the new linux partition you create in your usb drive [00:32] system show sdb with 1 partition [00:32] that will create a ext3 filesystem on /dev/sdb1 [00:32] then create a mount point [00:32] mkdir -p /media/usbdrive [00:32] and mount it [00:33] mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usbdrive [00:33] that's all [00:33] kk. it is now creating the ext3... could take a whil on 500G drive [00:34] jmedina: thanks for ur help. [00:38] using the cli how could i move an ssh-rsa output from computer 1 to computer 2 ? [01:16] Hello, guys! [01:16] Can you help me with some Samba configurations? === IvanCostaJr is now known as UKnow [01:18] hi guys, i am setting up a sugarcrm-server in a vm and as to question of partitioning, how much space will the db in /var/lib/ take for a customer with an existing customer base of around 125 clients (being imported) and lets say he aquires 200-300 more, this should still be in the 2-digit mb area, right? [01:19] hey ivancostajr: i know little but am also setting up samba, maybe able to help...? [01:21] since using sugar, it will be a basically standard LAMP, so if you have some general advice on a good partitioning solution for that it will of course be highly appreciated too :) [01:23] CaptainKirk: I installed a Ubuntu server 8.10 with Samba. I made the shares in smb.conf and I created the user by (1) adduser --disabled-login --no-create-home (2) smbpasswd -a. But the users can't use the shares. They don't have permission. [01:24] What I missed? [01:25] uknow, i had this problem just yesterday.... not saying this is the best solution but i had to change the ownership of the shared folder to nobody [01:25] uknow... let me check my current config [01:26] unkow, i was configuring a public free for all share with guest access allowed via samba, but as root owned the folder, i still got permission denied [01:27] Do you configuring the owner nobody.nobody? [01:27] uknow, nope, got it wrong... had to change folder access to 777 [01:28] uknow folder owner is still root root [01:31] uknow, i could be wrong, but it seems that samba permission sit on top of the linux file system permissions, so for a samba user to access the file, they must meet both samba permissions and file system level permissions [01:31] CaptainKirk: worked! But I used openSUSE two years with the same shares and I don't have this problem. The folder have 750 mod and it was ok. I going to study this problem... [01:31] Thanks! [01:32] uknow, i have been experimenting with webmin, and it has a funciton to link samba users to linux users (two seperate user databases). === kriel_ is now known as kriel [03:18] would a copy of 8.10 that was fully updated have the same version of apache, vsftpd, samba, etc as a copy of 9.04? [03:19] I'm about to try and franken-style two servers' worth of config files together, and I want to make sure I'm not about to start breaking stuff. [03:21] hey whats up [03:21] any of yall running high-avaliability servers? [03:22] !ha.d [03:22] Sorry, I don't know anything about ha.d [03:22] !high availability [03:22] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [03:23] kriel: no. [03:23] nekostar: you can PM ubottu to get info like that [03:23] twb: erf. I guess I get to manually splice the config files. Thanks. [03:24] kriel but then i dont get ppl in the channel knowing what i'm looking for without spitting out far more lines [03:24] ;) [03:24] kriel: an intrepid install, updated from intrepid-security, will have the versions that shipped with intrepid, plus security updates to those versions. It won't have versions from newer releases. [03:24] kriel: I highly recommend using etckeeper to see what has changed and why. [03:24] kriel: theoretically, you can even pull patches from one etckeeper repo to another, but I have yet to try this. [03:25] !heartbeat [03:25] Sorry, I don't know anything about heartbeat [03:26] twb: I just have the HDD for one server, the other server has it's own box. (Techinically, i'm migrating the server from one set of HDDs to another). but I need the drivers on the 9.04 disc to install it (new RAID controller) and the old server is 8.10 [03:27] Just another reason I prefer md RAID [03:28] wow this install seems to be longer than before - however there are some VERY nice upgrades - more encryption stuffs - kudos [03:29] but when it's talking about virtual machine host, what vm format? [03:29] virtualbox, vmware, etc/ [03:29] s/"/"/? [03:30] The virtualization technology supported by Ubuntu and Linux is KVM. [03:31] KVM? [03:31] !kvm [03:31] kvm is the preferred virtualization approach in Ubuntu. For more information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM [03:31] ty twb [03:34] hm [03:35] twb are you aware of any high-availability kvm projects? [03:35] No. [03:35] thats exactly what i'm looking for - and damn its nice being built in ;) [03:35] thanx. [03:36] AFAICT if your underlying hardware node is HA, then so will be the child VMs [03:37] what is the "off" suffix in libmysqlclient15off mean? [03:37] slestak: the debian/changelog might say [03:38] thx, lemme look [03:50] ... -.-; Okay, so I try installing using the 8.10 cd. It says it can't autodetect the drive. I pull out my 9.04 desktop live CD, and it autodetects and decides it should use the sata_sil driver. I put in the 9.04server cd, try and install and... it asks me what driver to use. sata_sil isn't a choice. Help? [03:55] kriel: support for installing from a SATA CD drive is very recent. [03:55] twb: SATA HDD, not SATA CD [03:55] I'm not surprised that 8.10 doesn't support it. [03:55] Oh. [03:56] actually, RAID controller. But still. since ubuntu9.04live figured out to use sata_sil, shouldn't 9.04server? [03:57] Probably, but not necessarily. [03:57] There may not be a udeb for that driver, or it might be non-Free or something. [03:57] twb: is there any way I can coax the liveCD into installing the server version? [03:58] The easiest thing is to do the install from a different card. [03:58] Unless you're actually using the fakeraid, which is probably a bad move. [03:59] ... omg this is gonna be such a hack. I have a sata-to-usb converter, what I'll do is install ubuntu-server using the usb-sata thing, and then put it into the computer and let the raid controller sync the disks. [04:00] kriel: what makes you think you have a raid controller? [04:00] AFAIK Silicon Image only make fakeraid controllers. [04:00] twb: because it's already set up to mirror the two drives. I think. I went into the sata setup thing and told it to mirror them. [04:00] is that fakeraid? [04:01] Unless you paid at least $100 (more like $300) for the card, it's fakeraid [04:01] And IMO fakeraid is not worth the hassle -- just use md RAID, which is nicely portable. [04:02] kay. mdadm it is. but still, I need to get the damn thing recognized first. [04:02] kriel: you should be able to set the controller to "just show the damn disks, you slut" [04:02] guys how do i display all partitions info of a hd..along with their filesystem, size in gb/mb [04:03] Unless it's a *really* cheap fakeraid controller -- I heard some rumours about some of those not even supporting that. [04:03] fdisk -l failed [04:03] Mal3ko: that depends on what kind of partitioning you have on the disk, and whether you're using RAID and/or LVM. [04:03] twb: I'll try that out. I read reviews of this controller working on linux though. [04:03] kriel: just because it works, doesn't mean it isn't fakeraid [04:04] twb: i need a cmd.. [04:05] Mal3ko did you sudo? [04:05] twb: wouldn't i need sata_sil to see the disks in "just show the damned things" mode anyway? [04:05] or is there some nice tools that could display a complete info of all parttions? [04:05] kriel: that depends. [04:06] friartuck: i mean fdisk -l didnt display what i want or lack of info [04:06] Mal3ko: /proc/partitions [04:08] twb, that display just basic info either [04:09] is there no openvz for intrepid? [04:09] er jaunty i mean [04:10] nekostar: looks like it [04:10] nekostar..starscalling? [04:10] twb: ... now it's not booting. -kicks it- I'll just go and buy a mobo with sata instead of dealing with this stupid controller. so much for trying to reuse graveyarded computers. [04:11] Yeh, that's a lesson I learnt the hard way [04:11] My time is more valuable than $200 of new components [04:11] lol [04:12] twb: all I want is a freaking file server -.-; and I'm a college student, so $200 is pretty damned valuable. but this is day three of arguing with this bitch of a server. [04:12] kriel: find some Windows gamer that is throwing away near-new equipment, then [04:13] twb: ... not a bad idea, actually. o.o; especially since my school is in the rich neighborhood. [04:13] Or ask around at your local LUG for the equipment recycling company. [04:13] Here in .vic.au there's a not-for-profit that gets donated old computers, puts linux on them, then sells them very cheaply to low-income types. [04:14] There's a huuuuuge graveyard somewhere, sells old towers for like $50 each. Not sure where it is, I was tempted to go buy four or five and then resell them to customers who want 'faster' computers (all they really need is a wipe/reload) [04:15] kriel: put their gear in a bigger case, reinstall windows, charge $200? ;-) [04:15] Eh, the real money is in consultancy for software, not hardware. [04:16] And anything that involves dealing with individuals instead of government or large corporations has a shitty ROI. [04:16] twb: I ususally don't even bother with the new case. XD Just reinstall windows, grab the drivers, install whatever else they happen to have disks/keys for. Comes out to about $70/hr [04:16] That's not bad for a one-man operation. [04:17] You could probably make it faster by automating the Windows and driver install [04:17] lmfao [04:17] just image fool [04:17] total time 12 minutes [04:17] twb: probably, but I don't do it often. I'm trying to find a way to image windows so that it can deal with resized hard drives [04:17] + drivers == 30 [04:18] use acronis with universal restore [04:18] yw [04:18] +1 acronis [04:18] Bleh, imaging blows for heterogeneous hardware. [04:18] now anyone know how to use openvz on the new distro? [04:18] not so twb [04:18] spcifically acronis with universal restore i said. [04:19] do some research its killer [04:19] I'm not familiar with non-Free software, sorry. [04:19] * nekostar shrugs [04:19] okay, back to Linux now... mdadm is when you set up a raid via the ubuntu install, and is the recommended way to do things unless i'm gonna pay out the ass for a raid controller, right? [04:19] can fog do this? [04:19] i'm familiar with getting the job done quickly [04:19] or clonezilla? [04:19] dont know slestak [04:19] if i found something else that would i'd use it ;) [04:20] but being able to insert chip drivers and ethernet etc while installing into very different hardware is PIMP [04:20] Regarding OpenVZ, I don't know how you can get it correctly on 8.10 or 9.04, as they don't appear to have patched kernels in the Ubuntu tree. [04:20] yup [04:20] twb yeah i saw the lack of packages just figured maybe i was missing something - thanx [04:20] nekostar: I'm guessing that's Windows-only, though. [04:20] bad guess [04:20] lol [04:20] its not cheap tho [04:21] if you intend on paying and all [04:21] but you will make it back fast [04:21] that 4 hr windows job is done in one [04:21] you charge for two [04:21] and they effing love u [04:21] nekostar: you can make images of e.g. OpenBSD and while copying the "image" across, change the MAC addresses that it expects for the NICs? [04:21] i like to tell them, i would do it here but it takes 4-6 hrs or i can take it home do on my own time for 150 [04:21] or i can do bulletproof for 300 - reboot to remove virii [04:22] twb ive never looked if it could i doubt it [04:22] ive not seen an option like that [04:22] nekostar: that's what I meant by "windows-only" [04:22] twb [04:22] when i say it works [04:22] i mean that anything can be copied [04:22] nekostar: that's the case for dd. [04:22] so what if ive got to redo one config [04:22] no twb dd doesnt do any changes [04:23] look [04:23] rather than arguing just go dl a damn copy [04:23] 1 sec lol [04:23] That would be a violation of copyright law. [04:23] mm [04:23] * nekostar shrugs [04:23] its POSSIBLY a violation [04:24] have you actually read the elua's? [04:24] !enter | nekostar [04:24] nekostar: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! [04:24] in any case - it is regular practice to try before buying and i would assume that you would purchase something like that if it did indeed do some nice things [04:24] so again sir [04:24] rather than quibbling just go check it out [04:25] kriel please learn to enable timestamps each line is from a different thought. [04:25] nekostar: EULAs have nothing to do with it. [04:25] twb they have everything to do with it [04:25] yes, but having an entire page prefixed by the word is annoying. There's this thing called a period, you can use it to seperate sentences. Sentences can hold seperate thoughts. See this post for an example. [04:25] that IS the liscense as it applies to the user [04:26] which is specifically what is broken when copied supposedly [04:26] nope, the acronis trial is not crippled, (iirc) [04:26] ok there you go [04:26] DOWNLOAD IT [04:26] i'd also like to point out here that YOU were the one suggesting an illegal download [04:26] * nekostar shakes finger at twb [04:26] ;) [04:27] nekostar: I just assumed it was illegal to download it, because it's not Free software. [04:27] so, about mdadm. Is it the preferred form of RAID besides having a hardware raid controller? [04:27] twice bad assumptions lol but hey [04:28] kriel: there's not really any "form"; you generally just have either RAID1 (with two disks) or RAID5 (with more than two disks). [04:28] twb: -nods- Kay. [04:28] kriel: usually you allocate a 256MB sd[ab]1 for md0 for /boot, and the rest (sd[ab]2) for md1 for LVM. [04:29] twb: I've usually stopped allocating a seperate /boot, it seems superfluous to me since ubuntu works without it. Of course, I'm still a noob in most respects. [04:30] Er, not if you use both RAID and LVM [04:30] Unless you *like* lilo, and your boot breaking when you change extent allocation [04:31] you... lost me. O.o I just use whatever the ubuntu setup uses to set up raid. It does it automagically for me. [04:31] grub can't read LVM, so you need a separate /boot if you want to use grub, RAID & LVM together [04:33] ajmitch: grub2 can read either LVM or RAID, but not both. I *thought* that was also the case for grub legacy (which is what Ubuntu uses). [04:33] (Well, technically you can use grub2 with RAID *and* LVM, but you have to manually select the module list.) [04:34] right, I'm just talking about the usual case of what's on the install cd [04:34] ajmitch: well, I *know* d-i won't let you use grub if /boot is on LVM on RAID. But I don't know if that's an underlying limitation, or if it's imposed by d-i because it's 1) difficult; and 2) stupid. [04:35] Aaanyway [04:35] fairly sure it's an underlying grub limitation still :) [04:35] it... worked for me before. O.o on 8.10 I had a single partition, set up raid1 using mdadm [04:36] kriel: you probably aren't using LVM [04:36] Grub is too clever for its own good by half. [04:36] raid1 metadata is at the end of the partition, so it can be read just like a normal filesystem, I believe [04:37] ajmitch: yep [04:37] md raid5 is harder, obviously. [04:37] As far as Grub is concerned, a md RAID1 node is just an ordinary filesystem. [04:57] When I reinstall my server, should I just turn /etc/hosts dhcp to static and leave it as is? Then change the nameservers, commenting out my ISPs nameservers since I'm using afraid.org's services? [04:57] I'm just doing a basic LAMP installation. [04:58] J-_: er, /etc/hosts contains name information (DNS/LDAP/NIS), not network configuration (DHCP). [04:59] Bah, I got it mixed up. It's not in front of me [05:00] You can use DHCP without blowing away resolv.conf [05:00] See /etc/dhclient3/dhclient.conf (and its manpage), IIRC [05:03] I have a very small subnet that I would like to set up a server for, for use with my buisness. Theres only going to be about 15 cliens that will be connecting to it. I am fairly new at this stuff, so I am wondering what specs I should be looking for when buying my server. It is going to be hosting a basic webserver and mysql database, and well as being a file backup server for my buisness. [05:03] What should i be looking for? [05:04] what you just listed isnt too tough of a workload, imo [05:05] its not [05:05] i like the dell poweredges, you can get them with multiple cpu sockets, and just buy one cpu, yu have room ato add more [05:05] like a 1950 or 2950 [05:06] i would only need one cpu for that tho, right? what about RAM? [05:06] ram is cheap [05:07] you can start really low and just plan for growth. is budget an issue? [05:07] yes [05:08] we've just started using the application we have this past week, and right now Im using my personal PC to run it, but its not really fast..... and we need a full time one [05:09] what you listed is not a very tough workload. if you just need to get started, i wouldnt be afraid of using any p4 or better class machine. dont load xorg [05:09] i have set up ubuntu-server on it and gotten the webserver and mysql server going, thats not an issue, (I'm just learning all this) I was looking for suggestions as I wouldnt know what kind of server [05:09] but thank you [05:09] p4 class [05:09] ? [05:09] pentium 4? [05:09] pentium 4 [05:09] xD [05:10] thank you [05:10] if your webapp involves java, all of what i said is off :) [05:10] no java [05:10] this is a great market to get used hardwar [05:11] best method for virtual domains with ubuntu + postfix/dovecot = mysql? [05:11] its all on computers in my office, I just need server to host database. I will access it away from the office only like once a week [05:12] you could break this up on several older machines, run mysql on a diff box than apache [05:12] really flexible [05:12] yea [05:13] well i only have budget for one small server right now [05:13] its growing, but slow rightn now [05:13] buisness that is [05:13] :P [05:15] check this out $329 http://www.dell.com/content/products/RBIredirect.aspx?rbi=EESJuqJJunKzV5pVrEFOw3wYxiHXb2uK9L/JIV67WOU3UkEJeYpQS9tWl0gNmEwJ0Xe8yPZtImZjAj6diHBL4v7McdpLL00EW5bBnT3j/N44Qbm+05flVU1IDkE9WrE8hlQc0U11Jwj62+DdTk1gkShBukZkuBvPsVsTTKrhTNw= [05:17] cool, i just went through that and i wouldnt even change any of those defual options :D [05:17] lol pentium dualcore [05:18] you said used slestak, like this: ? http://cgi.ebay.com/DELL-POWEREDGE-2650-2U-SERVER-DUAL-2-4GHZ-XEON-RAID-2GB_W0QQitemZ260401449064QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCOMP_EN_Servers?hash=item260401449064&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1308|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50 [05:18] when i do used, i like to deal locally, that way you can see what your getting. dell refurbs were reteurned for some reason [05:19] i'd look at craigslist or find a local hardware reseller. ive got a good one near me in Michigan that always has good stuff coming off of lease. [05:19] allright thanks :) im think im going to have to go with used tho [05:19] im in Michigan too [05:20] cool [05:20] Grand rapids here. [05:21] im going to pm you the contact info for my local guy [05:21] ok [05:21] crap, i dont remember how to do that in irssi [05:21] im about hour away from there [05:22] come on up for the wmlug meeting tommorrow in Cascade [05:22] the guy im talking about will prob be there [05:23] wait, Thirsday night, not Wed [05:23] Thursday i mean [05:24] wmlug? [05:24] lets take this to pm, off topic [05:24] ok [05:30] njustin3000: gl with your venture our economy needs it [05:30] :D [05:32] im trying to get nagios working with digest auth. ive got my htdigest file, but apache is throwing " configuration error: couldn't check user. No user file?: /nagios" [05:34] slestak, does apache have rights to read the htdigest file? [05:34] my apache conf has "mods-enabled/nagios.conf: AuthUserFile "/usr/local/nagios/etc/htdigest"" and that is the location of the file [05:34] good idea [05:34] foxbuntu: Gah ya bet me to that! :P [05:34] Is this channel being used as a classroom or support room? [05:34] MTecknology, support [05:35] VK7HSE, yeah...you'll have that :P [05:35] ;-) [05:35] foxbuntu: Last I knew that's not what this channel was for [05:35] foxbuntu: yeah, it does. 640 www-data:nagios. [05:35] MTecknology: what is the difference? [05:35] That's what #ubuntu and #ubuntu-server are for [05:36] MTecknology, this is #ubuntu-server [05:36] * MTecknology looks down at the channel name..... [05:37] Oopps :D [05:37] sorry... [05:38] MTecknology, at least it wasn't me making the gaff ;) [05:38] heh [05:38] What's the ldap schema Ubuntu uses by default for unix accounts? [05:39] ISTR it's an RFC, but I can't remember which one. [05:39] slestak, hrm... ddi you copy paste that autdigest line from your vhost? [05:39] I've doe the same on a general chat IRC myself !!! (now I don't feel so bad!) [05:39] http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu8.04-lts-p3 Will step 7 mess up the server? [05:39] foxbuntu: this is #23 and the channel I thought I was in was #22 [05:39] MTecknology, tis ok. Everyone makes an oops now and then :D [05:40] :) [05:40] Should: "127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost [05:40] " be exactly that? [05:40] * MTecknology walks off [05:41] J-_: it'll do [05:41] slestak: so you dont recomend buying used from someone not locally? like ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Dell-Poweredge-2650-Dual-XEON-3-2gHz-4GB-Server_W0QQitemZ230338838521QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCOMP_EN_Servers?hash=item230338838521&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50 [05:41] Hmm, RFC 2307? [05:42] njustin3000: i wouldnt. but that is just me. at least with CL you can see the person your dealing with. [05:42] yes :) [05:42] foxbuntu: i have to find it. this was installed by a script for me. [05:43] its not in sites-enabled/000-default [05:43] slestak, ah [05:44] seen EZnag, pretty cool. nagios, perf2rrd, nagvis, soup to nuts [05:46] Guess I'm gonna go to sleep on that then, and wake up and try to get my server going again. Once it's up, i'll be sure to copy the configuration files, I'm not going through this bullcrap again. [05:46] i just bought a used dell 2650 via ebay, and it has a EMS error on boot. Techinically it still works, but its useless as it required user input every time it boots..... so try b4 u buy [05:46] would it def be in /etc/apache2/* soewhere, or could the vhost info be in the cgi-bin stuff in /usr/local/nagios? [05:46] captainkirk, I bought a HP DL380 on ebay no long ago and havent had a lick of trouble with it [05:47] slestak, it should be, but might be symlink'd or configured elsewhere [05:47] let me grep over there [05:48] foxbuntu, i also have purchased many IT items via ebay with exceptional results, but this time.... not so lucky i guess anyway was not a lot of money [05:49] maybe that is the issue. i cannot find a line like that. [05:49] captainkirk, indeed, but you can end up with that on any used system [05:50] new too, but at least you have a leg to stand on dealing w a business [05:51] slestak, its gotta be configured somewhere for apache to complain about it [05:51] foxbuntu, i guess what i am saying is that if i was able to power it on and test it prior to purchase, i would not have purchased it :) [05:51] is there a good livecd for testing a used pc? [05:52] captainkirk, yup..im just driving at not making broad statements and generalizations about IT, nothing does what its supposed to all the time ;) [05:52] im going to look back at my screen scrollbackand see if i see any output wrt digest [05:52] foxbuntu: even me :P [05:53] captainkirk, nor me :) [05:54] captainkirk: is all the firmwares/bios... current ??? [05:57] VK7HSE: i have updated the bios to the current version. I received an error when trying to update the EMS bios, but the sticker on the EMS card shows the current bios version anyways.... [05:57] is there a handy way to get a whole conf file in your buffer (for pasting at pastebin) without haveing to make 4 passes for each screen? [05:58] can i direct stdout to clipboard? [05:58] captainkirk: just a thought!... my server here was being tossed from my former employer, all it needed was some TLC! and now its mine! :D [05:58] slestak, cat /etc/file | pastebinit [05:58] captainkirk: is that card expensive? replaceable> [05:59] pastebinit ... neat :) [06:01] http://pastebin.com/f10e0bfdc [06:02] the AuthName directive is capfirst. wonder if that should be lower case [06:03] slestak: not sure, have not looked into it yet... [06:05] pastebinit is cool. [06:06] slestak, like that eh? [06:06] excellent use of some python [06:06] captainkirk: I just googled your issue, this may help... http://en.community.dell.com/forums/t/19178632.aspx [06:07] I currently have Ubuntu Server 8.04 installed, and I'd like to update to 9.04. Is there a proper way to do this without editing sources.list? [06:09] VK7HSE: looking now [06:11] cvw, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get do-release-upgrade [06:11] dont forget the backup [06:12] any of you guys use screen at your sites with non-technical users? [06:12] foxbuntu: already tried both, tells me "No new release found". lsb_release -a tells me I am running 8.04.2 [06:12] gnu screen? [06:13] slestak: I have a great* deal on a '07 Dell PC, but with adequate RAM and CPU speed, possible to go with that? I mean, a personal PC for what im using it for should be fine, i dont really need* a server, right? [06:14] njustin3000: it all really depends on what your wanting to do with it... [06:14] yeahyou can always scale up if needed [06:15] cvw, perhaps try sudo do-release-upgrade -p [06:15] ok, I mean theres really no difference, PC isnt stackable, but theres only one, and my serverload is extremely small anyway [06:15] what you ge with servers is sometimes redundant power supplies, better disks systems, raid controllers [06:16] foxbuntu: still no new release found [06:16] cvw, perhaps try sudo do-release-upgrade -d [06:16] aha, now we have something [06:16] cvw: your release will be locked to LTS versions only.... [06:16] foxbuntu: does he have to tell, man, i was abt to type that [06:16]