[00:57] <Anon> anyone know a good program that i can use on Xubuntu to scan and fix viruses on a Windows PC?
[01:11] <harmz> Anyone here?
[01:12] <Anon> yes and no
[01:12] <harmz> Considering using xubuntu, on an IBM Thinkpad, Pentium II 363 mHZ 352 RAM 8 gb HD, got a few questions. such as, is this a good idea?
[01:12] <Anon> im here, but odds are i cant help you
[01:12] <phaete> anyone friendly and think they can help resolve a problem for me?
[01:13] <phaete> i got a 42" lcd running through dvi-hdmi and when i view in 1080p its a little zoomed in
[01:14] <phaete> top/bottom/sides are in a fraction
[01:14] <phaete> this issue doesnt happen on windows.
[01:14] <phaete> something you guys know the solution too?
[01:14] <Anon> harmz, xubuntu would run on that computer, but there might be better options out there, i say if its an old computer try to install xubuntu and if that dosent work move on
[01:15] <harmz> what other options?
[01:15] <Anon> mabey another kernel
[01:15] <harmz> Running XP now.
[01:15] <Anon> xubunut would run i think, the processor is a bit slow but i think it would work
[01:16] <harmz> What about Netbook remix?
[01:16] <harmz> of Ubuntu
[01:16] <Anon> oh thats beyond my scope
[01:16] <Anon> sorry dude
[01:17] <Anon> phaete, have you toyed around with the setting on the LCD?
[01:17] <phaete> yeah a little
[01:17] <phaete> not much available there
[01:18] <phaete> i can zoom in
[01:18] <phaete> im max out in terms of zooming out
[01:18] <Anon> hummm. sounds like the aspect ratio is messed up
[01:19] <Anon> your outputing form a computer to the LCD?
[01:20] <phaete> yeah
[01:20] <phaete> at the moment im trying to install the ati binary
[01:20] <phaete> as i got ati card
[01:20] <phaete> might help i hope
[01:20] <Anon> yeah
[01:21] <Anon> so it take it the LCD is widescreen and there are black bars on either side,
[01:21] <Anon> is it cutting a bit off the top and the bottom as well?
[01:22] <Anon> any luck?
[01:24] <phaete> just rebooting now
[01:24] <phaete> ahh now its like zoomed in atm
[01:24] <phaete> i get full screen
[01:24] <phaete> in comes in on the side/top/bottom
[01:24] <phaete> so i cant see taskbars
[01:24] <phaete> ect
[01:24] <Anon> hummmm
[01:24] <meatcar> hi
[01:24] <phaete> hopefully this reboot works :D
[01:24] <Anon> hi
[01:24] <phaete> hi
[01:25] <phaete> mad, it worked
[01:25] <Anon> cool
[01:25] <phaete> im a noob btw
[01:25] <phaete> lol
[01:25] <meatcar> I just installed the xubuntu-desktop package, and am unable to make my dual screen setup work.
[01:25] <phaete> i only used ubuntu for 2weeks
[01:25] <phaete> have you install the driver support
[01:26] <meatcar> It works in ubuntu. In xfce , i just see one screen availble for editing. thats my laptop screen
[01:26] <Anon> hey either of you wouldn't happen to know a good anti-virus software for Xubunut that can scan and fix windows PC do you
[01:26] <Anon> meatcar, have you opend the display panel?
[01:27] <meatcar> Anon: such a thing exists?
[01:27] <Anon> i dont know,
[01:27] <meatcar> yes, i have. i see only one screen availble to be selected.
[01:27] <Anon> i want something like that thoe, it would be nice to fix viruses without the risk of this computer catching it
[01:28] <meatcar> google it. theres bound to be something.
[01:28] <Anon> ive been looking, i have this Avast stuff but im not really happy with it
[01:29] <meatcar> :S i cant help you there.
[01:29] <Anon> :/ oh well
[01:30] <meatcar> by the way, is it possible to add whole menu's as launchers?
[01:31] <Anon> i dont see why not but i have no idea how to, ive only been using linux for a week or so
[01:32] <meatcar> it used to be an active feature in earlier releases of XFCE... but it got taken out... :(     http://njlinux.blogspot.com/2008/01/virus-scan-windows-using-linux-live-cd.html
[01:32] <Anon> damit
[01:33] <meatcar> ignore the knoppix part. seems like somethign you were looking for.
[01:33] <Anon> yeah
[01:34] <Anon> i have a ide/sata to usb converter, so i just wire up hard drives using that and scan them.
[01:34] <Anon> but that still might work
[01:36] <phaete> i odnt know about anti virus
[01:36] <Anon> eh oh well
[01:36] <phaete> put it in an external hdd
[01:36] <phaete> and scan
[01:38] <Anon> under the hardware drivers, is the second graphics card coming up?
[01:39] <Anon> eh dam i really have no idea
[02:10] <saiki> anyone know how to get nvidi ards workign right?
[02:10] <phaete> you install the drivers/
[02:10] <phaete> have you?
[02:11] <saiki> yes
[02:11] <saiki> but the resolutions don't work
[02:11] <saiki> and now it won't even open the X display :@
[02:11] <phaete> :o
[02:11] <phaete> im noob i wouldnt know sorry
[02:12] <saiki> no worries
[02:32] <rocko> how can I remove all png only files with rm command or is there any other command I can use to do this ?
[02:32] <rocko> I want to do it recursively
[02:32] <rocko> so all folders in this one directory
[02:39] <jakemonO> anyone having trouble w/xubuntu9.04 as a vbox client w/audio?
[02:48] <meatcar>  i am trying to make my dual-screen work in xubuntu 9.04, and am having trouble with xrandr. http://paste.linuxassist.net/214634  can anyone help?
[02:49] <keb> rocko find . -name '*.doc' -print | xargs echo
[02:50] <keb> replace *.doc with *.png, and echo with rm (after you are sure you have the right files listed)
[02:50] <rocko> cool thanks keb you are the best
[02:51] <keb> cheers
[02:51] <Anon> keb, ever herd of an anti virus softwhere for linux that can scan a windows PC and fix it?
[02:51] <rocko> so what about if you wanted to do it to a certain directory ? keb
[02:51] <keb> rocko start in that directory.  the "." is the starting folder for find
[02:52] <keb> Anon clamav does that i think
[02:52] <rocko> okay thanks keb
[02:52] <Anon> cool ty
[02:52] <keb> Anon but make sure you have ntfs-3g
[02:52] <rocko> Anon just boot into safe mode and fix your problems in there
[02:52] <rocko> there are some windows tools i can recommended to use if you are interested
[02:53] <Anon> ok
[02:53] <rocko> that get rid of some nasties that most anti virus software does not remove
[02:53] <keb> Anon offline scanning often can't fix registry issues, so yeah safe mode etc may be better
[02:53] <rocko> like vundo viruses
[02:53] <keb> hehe
[02:53] <Anon> im not worried about registry fixes
[02:53] <keb> i h8 them
[02:53] <Anon> i can do them
[02:54] <Anon> but identifying and deleating them would be nice
[02:54] <rocko> well you can use network stuff with safe mode you just have to select to use networking in safe mode
[02:54] <keb> assuming it is winxp or newer
[02:54] <keb> maybe win2000
[02:54] <keb> anyway its offtopic
[02:54] <Anon> would i need this NTFS 3G if i can wire up the windows hard drive using a usb port?
[02:54] <rocko> Anon http://vundofix.atribune.org/
[02:55] <Anon> ok
[02:55] <keb> Anon if you have a recent ubuntu it will probably mount the partition without extra effort
[02:55] <keb> even on usb
[02:55] <Anon> just got 9.4 last night
[02:56] <rocko> Anon http://www.atribune.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=25&Itemid=25
[02:56] <keb> plug in the drive and type "mount" and see what it says
[02:56] <rocko> that has nothing to do with anti virus but it is a nice tool
[02:56] <rocko> all in one to get rid of junk files
[02:56] <Anon> ok
[02:56] <Anon> brb
[02:57] <MTec007_> im having some strange problems with my wireless card, i am connected but only at 1mbps and im getting a lot of packet loss if i ping yahoo,com for example, %16 loss first time 36% second time with frequest wifi disconnects.
[02:59] <meatcar> MTec007, is this a sudden problem, or is it after you did some system changes(updates, etc.)
[03:05] <MTec007_> i never used my card on linux before
[03:05] <MTec007_> only windows
[03:05] <J_Litewski> MTec007_, what card is it? model, etc
[03:05] <MTec007_> the wired works fine (even wired to router)
[03:07] <MTec007_> its a dell dont know the model though i can check if i can figure out how to 'eject' it form linux
[03:07] <keb> lspci
[03:08] <J_Litewski> MTec007_, are you on a wired connection?
[03:08] <keb> to figure out what card it is
[03:08] <meatcar> MTec007_, I'm feeling its a driver error. find the windows driver for your card, and use ndiswrapper to set it up.
[03:08] <MTec007_> i am right now, i cant use the internet on my wireless
[03:09] <meatcar> plenty of tuttorials around.
[03:10] <MTec007_> 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03)   but thats not what it actually is i guess just what the OS thinks it is?
[03:10] <keb> thats what the card says it is
[03:10] <MTec007_> ok
[03:11] <J_Litewski> MTec007_, are you using the b43legacy driver?
[03:11] <keb> dell might have linux support for it though, check their site
[03:11] <MTec007_> doubtfully this card is from 2005ish
[03:11] <meatcar> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[03:11] <J_Litewski> I have a Dell TrueConnect using the b43legacy driver
[03:12] <MTec007_> J_Litewski, NULL(info.linux.driver)   is what connection information says
[03:12] <J_Litewski> I get that too
[03:13] <MTec007_> see i have already been to that site before i upgraded to 9.04    (didnt get it working)
[03:14] <MTec007_> i dont think i fully understand what the website is telling me to do or how to do it
[03:15] <MTec007_> that took a long time, lol
[03:19] <MTec007> i dont think i got that b43-fwcutter to work that may be the problem i dont really know, i am new to linux and that just really isnt explained very well
[03:19] <J_Litewski> try it
[03:19] <J_Litewski> it is a 43xx card
[03:20] <MTec007> like i said, i dont understand the instructions on the site, i couldnt get it to work
[03:21] <meatcar> have you tried ndiswrapper?
[03:21] <J_Litewski> just go into the Hardware Drivers in Applications/System and enable it from there
[03:23] <MTec007> meatcar, no    J_Litewski, broadcom b43 wireless driver is activated and in use
[03:23] <J_Litewski> ah
[03:24] <keb> MTec007 whats the first thing you didnt understand on the fwcutter site
[03:24] <MTec007> i would have to find the site again i dont remember it
[03:25] <[AfZ]TomServo1> if anyone's here, i'd like to know if i made a big mistake in upgrading to 9.04
[03:26] <meatcar> [AfZ]TomServo1, to answer your question, we need to know your situation
[03:26] <[AfZ]TomServo1> actually, it's working fine for the most part
[03:27] <[AfZ]TomServo1> but i'm getting no sound whatsoever
[03:27] <[AfZ]TomServo1> seems like a common issue
[03:27] <keb> are you using xubuntu or kubuntu or ubuntu
[03:27] <[AfZ]TomServo1> xubuntu
[03:28] <meatcar> i hate setting up sound. its always a pain
[03:28] <meatcar> check all the possible sound options
[03:28] <meatcar> trial and error always works.
[03:28] <meatcar> :P
[03:28] <[AfZ]TomServo1> i'm using a usb headset, apparently known as "C-Media" something or other cause that's the driver that worked for me in 8.10
[03:28] <meatcar> lspci?
[03:28] <[AfZ]TomServo1> tried reloading alsa
[03:28] <[AfZ]TomServo1> it's showing up in lsusb
[03:28] <keb> that would be lsusb
[03:29] <meatcar> whoops
[03:30] <[AfZ]TomServo1> so the headset appears to be recognized and loaded in alsa
[03:30] <[AfZ]TomServo1> just to make sure, can you tell me the proper cmd to list all sound devices in alsa?
[03:31] <meatcar> MTec007, ndiswrapper howtos:  http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Networking/NdisWrapper_The_Ultimate_Guide/     https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[03:31] <keb> ooh yes if it is alsa, you might have to run alsamixer once and unmute stuff
[03:31] <[AfZ]TomServo1> i looked in alsamixer already, but i'll double check
[03:32] <keb> unmute the master and pcm bars, and set volume about 80%
[03:32] <meatcar> gtg yall, read a book for english for tomorrow. good luck.
[03:32] <keb> night
[03:34] <[AfZ]TomServo1> there's an option in alsamixer called "pcm capt", do you know what it does
[03:34] <keb> capture sound i think
[03:34] <keb> from some other input
[03:38] <[AfZ]TomServo1> where do i adjust the overall sound output?
[03:38] <[AfZ]TomServo1> master sound, in other words
[03:39] <keb> should be the first bar on the left, called master
[03:39] <keb> or install the volume control on your taskbar
[03:39] <[AfZ]TomServo1> well there's no master volume control option available for my headphones
[03:40] <keb> hmm
[03:40] <keb> do you have another sound card in the system? maybe that is confusing things
[03:41] <keb> in the sound settings things, there is sometimes a place to choose which device is default
[03:41] <[AfZ]TomServo1> yeah i have an onboard intel sound device
[03:43] <dsmith_> anyupdate yet?
[03:43] <[AfZ]TomServo1> do you mean the "default sound card" thing
[03:43] <dsmith_> er..anyone update from 8.10?
[03:43] <keb> sure
[03:44] <[AfZ]TomServo1> i did...and now my sound doesn't work
[03:44] <keb> dsmith_ i dist-upgraded from 8.10
[03:44] <dsmith_> run smooth
[03:44] <dsmith_> ?
[03:44] <rocko> how do I get back files I accidently deleted with rm command ?
[03:44] <keb> yep
[03:44] <keb> uhoh
[03:45] <dsmith_> rocko: reinstall from backup
[03:45] <rocko> um
[03:45] <dsmith_> you ARE backing up aren't you>?
[03:45] <rocko> I don't have any backups
[03:45] <dsmith_> what filkes?
[03:45] <keb> [AfZ]TomServo1 can you select one of the other devices in that list
[03:45] <keb> rocko thats why i said use echo first ;)
[03:45] <[AfZ]TomServo1> yeah i can
[03:46] <rocko> um no that is not what happened keb
[03:46] <rocko> I used a different thing someone suggest in another channel
[03:46] <keb> :/
[03:46] <[AfZ]TomServo1> there's my intel onboard device, "Audio", and Pulseaudio
[03:46] <rocko> and it deleted my whole folder
[03:46] <keb> oic
[03:46] <keb> well pulsaudio isnt used by xubuntu
[03:46] <rocko> well the folder I was doing it on which was human
[03:46] <keb> rocko sometimes deletions are in the Trash folder
[03:47] <rocko> nothing is in the trash
[03:48] <keb> rocko if the files are really important, shutdown the computer asap and hook up the drive to another system and do data recover y stuff
[03:48] <dsmith_> rocko: what folder
[03:48] <MTec007> thanks all i guess i will work on it more tommorow. for now i am off to bed.
[03:48] <keb> night
[03:48]  * dsmith_ about to update 8.10 to 9.04
[03:48] <dsmith_> hehe
[03:49] <keb> dsmith_ make sure to read the release notes first ;)
[03:49] <dsmith_> anyone ever notice that you can shove a usb dongle into your ethernet port?
[03:49] <dsmith_> lol
[03:49] <dsmith_> keb, had issues?
[03:49] <keb> yep done that :/
[03:49] <keb> not me, but i didnt have a intel chipset
[03:50] <keb> [AfZ]TomServo1 any luck with Audio driver
[03:50] <keb> *device
[03:51] <[AfZ]TomServo1> no
[03:52] <[AfZ]TomServo1> do you know how to disable hardware
[03:52] <[AfZ]TomServo1> i guess the intel sound could be conflicting(although i doubt it)
[03:52] <keb> onboard can be disabled from bios setup page
[03:53] <[AfZ]TomServo1> i would do that, but i'm dual booting with windows
[03:54] <[AfZ]TomServo1> and it was never a problem with 8.10
[04:02]  * dsmith_ installes his updates
[04:02] <dsmith_> making ready
[04:02] <keb> [AfZ]TomServo1 strangely the only sound control i could find on my system was in Services
[04:04] <[AfZ]TomServo1> hmm alsa-utils is the only deactivated service in Services
[04:04] <keb> mine was activated
[04:08] <[AfZ]TomServo1> i'm gonna try reinstalling alsa
[04:12] <keb> good luck
[04:15] <dsmith_> need to expand mr root partition
[04:37] <evilbug> how can i make a bootable xubuntu flash drive?
[04:40] <xarcade> hi, i followed this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FuseSmb but i still cannot access shares, i get permission denied message.
[04:46] <xarcade_> hi, i am having problems with fusesmb and xubuntu
[04:46] <xarcade_> each time i try to access a folder i get permission denied
[04:50] <[AfZ]TomServo1> evilbug: i don't know how to make a bootable flash xubuntu flash drive, but i'm certain i found an explanation of the process on the ubuntu forums
[04:51] <evilbug> i'm looking on google and i keep finding ways to do it on windows, i'm not in windows...
[04:53] <[AfZ]TomServo1> and you don't have windows installed?
[04:53] <keb> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[04:53] <[AfZ]TomServo1> that's the one, keb
[04:54] <evilbug> [AfZ]TomServo1- nope.
[04:54] <evilbug> can't i just mount the iso on my desktop and copy the content onto the flash drive?
[04:54] <ipressthebuttons> argh.
[04:54] <ipressthebuttons> finally made it here.
[04:54] <keb> welcome
[04:55] <xarcade_> how to enable numpad at system stard ?
[04:55] <ipressthebuttons> I've been working all night on getting my resolution to work
[04:55] <xarcade_> start
[04:55] <ipressthebuttons> And to be honest I'm stumped
[04:55] <ipressthebuttons> There are only two resolution options that even have a refresh rate.
[04:55] <ipressthebuttons> and even those don't work.
[04:56] <ipressthebuttons> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7173501
[04:56] <[AfZ]TomServo1> evilbug: the bootloader has to be in the logical front of the drive to load like that i believe
[04:57] <[AfZ]TomServo1> but seriously, i'm a linux noob, that's just a grasp at a straw
[04:57] <ipressthebuttons> anyone have any helpful ideas?
[04:58] <ipressthebuttons> because I'd like to be able to change my internet connection without using guess and check to find it.
[04:59] <evilbug> [AfZ]TomServo1- :)
[04:59] <ipressthebuttons> nobody wants to help? ):
[05:00] <[AfZ]TomServo1> keb, please save the day
[05:00] <[AfZ]TomServo1> i'd love to help you :/
[05:00] <ipressthebuttons> I'd love
[05:00] <ipressthebuttons> to see all of my screen
[05:00] <ipressthebuttons> http://i44.tinypic.com/2gvn0ba.jpg see the end of the firefox window? That's how far to the right my screen goes. Doing anything is a trial.
[05:01] <ticos> how do i find out what "system" i have? (i.e. linux-x86-64, alpha, etc..)
[05:02] <xarcade_> uname -a i think
[05:02] <keb> ipressthebuttons have you looked thru your /var/log/Xorg.0.log for clues?
[05:02] <ipressthebuttons> I have no idea what I'm doing. I installed xubuntu on a friend's recommendation.
[05:03] <keb> xarcade_ did you try installing numlockx
[05:03] <ipressthebuttons> I opened that log file... any clues I should look for? :/
[05:04] <[AfZ]TomServo1> ipressthebuttons: click the down arrow on the right side of the firefox app
[05:04] <keb> it shouldnt be a very long file so have a look
[05:04] <ipressthebuttons> it's long enough to make me want to not scroll through it
[05:05] <[AfZ]TomServo1> unless you did that purposely...
[05:05] <ipressthebuttons> I'm not worried about firefox
[05:05] <xarcade_> keb, i am now
[05:06] <ipressthebuttons> I really don't know what I'm looking for here.
[05:06] <keb> ipressthebuttons about 4 pages into it, you will see what video card it detected and resolutions it supports, as well as what it thinks your monitor supports
[05:07] <[AfZ]TomServo1> gotta go, thanks for the help keb...i'll have to post something to the forums later
[05:07] <keb> before 9.04 there used to be a way to override defaults by manually editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf  .  not sure if that still works
[05:07] <ipressthebuttons> I ytirf yo rfiy iy
[05:07] <ipressthebuttons> wow that was nasty
[05:07] <ipressthebuttons> I tried to edit it.
[05:07] <ipressthebuttons> but it didn't let me.
[05:07] <keb> lol
[05:07] <ipressthebuttons> sigh
[05:08] <keb> you have to use sudo to edit a file
[05:08] <keb> in /etc
[05:08] <ipressthebuttons> I did
[05:08] <ipressthebuttons> it didn't find the file.
[05:08] <ipressthebuttons> sudo /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[05:09] <ipressthebuttons> sudo mousepad /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[05:09] <keb> capital X11
[05:09] <ipressthebuttons> lame.
[05:09] <ipressthebuttons> any idea what I could do to fix it?
[05:09] <keb> only windows and vms are case insensitive
[05:10] <ipressthebuttons> I can edit it... but what can I put?
[05:10] <keb> good question
[05:10] <ipressthebuttons> it is
[05:10] <ipressthebuttons> I've been looking for an answer all night
[05:11] <keb> are you able to get to the System -> Hardware app?
[05:11] <keb> maybe there is a proprietary driver that will work better for you
[05:12] <ipressthebuttons> Hardware drivers?
[05:12] <keb> yes
[05:12] <ipressthebuttons> There are no drivers found
[05:12] <keb> ok
[05:12] <ipressthebuttons> just my wireless internet driver, that's the only thing.
[05:12] <ipressthebuttons> http://www.theatons.com/how-to-setup-dell-e228wfp-on-ubuntu-704 I found this, but I don't know if this will help at all
[05:14] <xarcade_> keb, can you help me setting up fusesmb properly ?
[05:14] <keb> xarcade_ sorry i dont use that so i dunno
[05:15] <ipressthebuttons> should I give that site a try?
[05:15] <keb> ipressthebuttons did you get the same list of useless refresh rates in Settings --> Xfce settings manager --> Display ?
[05:15] <xarcade_> keb, how can you access samba server from another pc running linux without using fusesmb ?
[05:17] <ipressthebuttons> yes
[05:17] <ipressthebuttons> yes I did.
[05:19] <keb> ipressthebuttons yes that website looks good, but only change the stuff in xorg.conf related to Monitor, Modes and Screen
[05:20] <keb> and keep backups
[05:22] <ipressthebuttons> I backed up the original config...
[05:23] <keb> do you ahve the exact same monitor as that fellow
[05:24] <ipressthebuttons> I do not believe I do.
[05:25] <keb> hmm then the modeline will not work, and could blow up your hardware
[05:25] <ipressthebuttons> blow UP?
[05:25] <keb> well it might overload something
[05:25] <ipressthebuttons> >_>
[05:25] <ipressthebuttons> I 'll just shut the computer off and keep it that way then
[05:26] <keb> best to have a look at that log file, see what modes are supported
[05:26] <keb> when you arent tired and stuff
[05:26] <ipressthebuttons> xorg.0.log you mean?
[05:26] <keb>  /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:27] <ipressthebuttons> http://h1.ripway.com/ipressthebuttons/Xorg.0.log
[05:28] <ipressthebuttons> that's the file D:
[05:33] <keb> did the monitor come with a manual
[05:33] <ipressthebuttons> it's a laptop.
[05:33] <ipressthebuttons> lol.
[05:33] <ipressthebuttons> I don't know where the manual is.
[05:35] <xarcade_> how to install a public key in the system to install a software ??
[05:36] <xarcade_> trying to install webmin
[05:37] <xarcade_> http://www.webmin.com/jcameron-key.asc
[05:41] <ipressthebuttons> argh
[05:41] <ipressthebuttons> I'm going to try it...
[05:41] <keb> ipressthebuttons did you try all this stuff https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenChrome
[05:41] <ipressthebuttons> openchrome?
[05:41] <keb> yes thats what you have
[05:42] <ipressthebuttons> confusing
[05:42] <ipressthebuttons> what is this page telling me to do
[05:42] <keb> xarcade_ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=299708
[05:42] <ipressthebuttons> how do you activate the universe and multiverse repositories again
[05:42] <xarcade_> i found it solution here -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7141244
[05:43] <keb> ipressthebuttons in System -> Software Sources
[05:43] <xarcade_> keb: thanks
[05:43] <ipressthebuttons> and then
[05:44] <ipressthebuttons> is there anything I should put in third-party software
[05:44] <keb> hmm. no perhaps better to try this first:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[05:44] <keb> and choose openchrome
[05:45] <ipressthebuttons> I don't know if I typed that right
[05:45] <ipressthebuttons> when I did that, it just made a copy of xorg.conf
[05:46] <keb> it didnt ask you about anything?
[05:46] <ipressthebuttons> nope.
[05:46] <ipressthebuttons> is that bad?
[05:46] <R1cochet> is there a program that will tell me what codec i need to play a video?
[05:46] <keb> ipressthebuttons maybe not
[05:46] <keb> R1cochet mplayer
[05:47] <ipressthebuttons> xubuntu is functioning, and I have internet... I just want to be able to see my entire screen :/
[05:47] <ipressthebuttons> if I can't fix my resolution, is there maybe a way to scroll on the screen?
[05:47] <keb> oh so its just the virtual screen you want to change?
[05:48] <R1cochet> was using that to play a video and it says: could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound
[05:49] <ipressthebuttons> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=209474 should I try this?
[05:50] <keb> ipressthebuttons yeah try adding a Virtual   section to your xorg.conf which has a resolution that matches the real one
[05:51] <keb> *Virtual line
[05:51] <ipressthebuttons> should I just copy paste what that guy posted except put my screen's resolution?
[05:51] <keb> not the whole thing, just add a Virtual line to your Subsection Display
[05:52] <ipressthebuttons> the entire config is empty
[05:52] <keb> oic
[05:53] <ipressthebuttons> not empty
[05:53] <ipressthebuttons> but
[05:53] <ipressthebuttons> Section "Monitor"
[05:53] <ipressthebuttons> 	Identifier	"Configured Monitor"
[05:53] <ipressthebuttons> stuff like that...
[05:53] <keb> is there a Section Screen
[05:54] <ipressthebuttons> yes
[05:54] <ipressthebuttons> I put the subsection under that
[05:54] <ipressthebuttons> should I save and restart and see if my computer doesn't blow up?
[05:54] <keb> sure
[05:54] <ipressthebuttons> is that a yes?
[05:54] <ipressthebuttons> D:
[05:54] <keb> it wont blow up, but dont use the highest resolutions there
[05:54] <keb> unless you know your monitor can do that
[05:54] <ipressthebuttons> aight.
[05:55] <keb> well 1280x1024 is not unusual for a new laptop
[05:55] <ipressthebuttons> 1024 768 is mine apparently
[05:55] <keb> you could even leave out the modes line at first
[05:55] <ipressthebuttons> I'm going to take my chances.
[05:55] <ipressthebuttons> if I don't come back
[05:55] <ipressthebuttons> I gave up and went to sleep.
[05:55] <ipressthebuttons> >_>
[05:55] <keb> ok good luck, me too
[05:56] <keb> R1cochet thats not a codec issue, thats a driver issue
[05:58] <R1cochet> thank you
[05:59] <ipressthebuttons> woo.
[05:59] <ipressthebuttons> It worked
[05:59] <ipressthebuttons> I can see my entire screen
[05:59] <keb> yay
[06:01] <R1cochet> i have a problem with a video file
[06:01] <R1cochet> cant get it to play in totem at all
[06:01] <ipressthebuttons> alright
[06:01] <ipressthebuttons> thank you for the help.
[06:01] <ipressthebuttons> It took a lot of effort but it worked :]
[06:09] <R1cochet> i was able to get the audio to play in mplayer but the video wont play at all in totem
[06:10] <R1cochet> i would like to be able to play the video in totem over mplayer
[06:37] <J_Litewski> i'm trying to compile the notification-daemon-xfce, and i'm getting permission denied errors
[06:50] <xarcade_> i have a problem with my ps/2 mouse, when i boot up ubuntu the mouse seems to be dead every time i have to disconnect and reconnect the mouse while the system is running and eventually the system detects the mouse and i can use it, can someone please help me fix this problem ?
[07:42] <_Pete_> does someone here use conky? Just started to use it yesterday and would like to get some cool .conkyrc to test
[07:42] <_Pete_> ideally one that mimics gkrellm :)
[07:45] <MarcPV1> hi
[07:46] <MarcPV1> i upgrade to 9.04 and i lost the volume control, anyone knows where it is?
[07:47] <artistxe> you may have to re add it to the panel
[07:47] <artistxe> right click on panel . add item
[07:48] <MarcPV1> i added the "mixer" but its not the usual volume control
[07:49] <MarcPV1> i cant get direct control to the usual fadder
[07:49] <R1cochet> how can i update intltool? i get error when trying to complile totem
[07:49] <R1cochet> Your intltool is too old.  You need intltool 0.40.0 or later.
[07:50] <R1cochet> nevermind
[07:52] <R1cochet> configure: error: gnome-doc-utils >= 0.3.2 not found
[07:52] <R1cochet> synaptic says 0.13.1
[07:52] <R1cochet> how can i update this?
[07:53] <neozen> salutations
[07:53] <neozen> need to re-enable old keyboard shortcuts for resizing/moving windows in xfwm4
[07:54] <neozen> seem to have been removed in upgrade to jaunty
[09:59] <avuton> /usr/share/applications/evince.desktop is not showing in my menu. The file validates, is there any way I can track down why it's not showing?
[10:00] <SiDi> avuton: open it with a text editor
[10:00] <SiDi>  NoDisplay=true
[10:00] <SiDi> there's this inside it
[10:01] <avuton> Yeah, it sure does. Wonder why that would be in it
[10:01] <SiDi> "cp /usr/share/applications/evince.desktop ~/.local/share/applications/ && mousepad ~/.local/share/applications/evince.desktop" avuton
[10:01] <avuton> Thanks :/
[10:01] <SiDi> Its because by default its not meant to be shown in menus :)
[10:01] <SiDi> Copy the file to your home and put this line to false
[10:01] <SiDi> and it should be in the menu then
[10:01] <avuton> Thanks again
[10:01] <SiDi> You're welcome
[10:42] <Roylap> Does xubuntu 9.04 have support for the eee, acer aspire etc netbooks that ubuntu netbook remix has, i.e are drivers for wifi and camera included?
[10:44] <SiDi> It can run on netbooks for sure
[10:44] <SiDi> but we may not have as many drivers on the liveCD
[10:45] <SiDi> (at worse you can install UNR and then install xubuntu-desktop and remove ubuntu-desktop, but you'll have a lot of GNOME unneeded stuff)
[10:49] <Roylap> all right thanx, im pretty happy with gnome but the performance on a netbook isnt exactly great and thats why im looking into xubuntu.
[11:05] <murlidhar> !info xfce4-mcs-manager
[11:05] <murlidhar> any other name is it in ?
[11:06] <murlidhar> anyone ?
[11:07] <murlidhar> it's a replacement for gnome-settings-daemon .... right ?
[11:09] <ActionParsnip1> yo yo yo
[11:10] <SiDi> i think its xfconf now
[11:11] <murlidhar> ah okies
[11:11] <murlidhar> bash: xfconf: command not found
[11:12] <SiDi> you're under intrepid ?
[11:12] <murlidhar> jaunty
[11:12] <murlidhar> mcs-manager was in intrepid
[11:12] <murlidhar> but not in jaunty anymore
[11:12] <SiDi> xfce4-settings-manager
[11:12] <murlidhar> :(
[11:13] <murlidhar> SiDi: i am talkin about the daemon file that we put in autostart.sh
[11:14] <SiDi> no idea :D
[12:42] <kora-chan> hi i'm using 9.04 right now and after he update from 8.10 something really strange happened. i now have 2 firefox installations if i start it with alt+f2 my old installation starts with all the addons and if i launch it with gnome-do a new clean installation starts,... is there any way to remove the second one?
[12:45] <kora-chan> apart from that, the xfce dekstop compositor worked well before the update and now i have to disable it because everything slows down when i enable it (intel gma 945)
[12:48] <ActionParsnip1> kora-chan: you could uninstall all firefoxes and then reinstall one, your profile is held in ~ so will be untouched
[12:51] <kora-chan> ActionParsnip1: i did already do a apt-get remove firefox, but i didnt change anything. both installations were still there, maybe i should manually remove all the packages in synaptic
[12:51] <ActionParsnip1> kora-chan: try this
[12:52] <ActionParsnip1> kora-chan: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get --purge remove firefox*; sudo apt-get --purge autoremove; sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get installfirefox
[12:52] <ActionParsnip1> oops
[12:52] <ActionParsnip1> last command i missed a space
[12:52] <kora-chan> ActionParsnip1: k thanks a lot ill try it
[12:53] <ActionParsnip1> kora-chan: the --purge removes all residual configs that arent in your ~ dir
[12:53] <kora-chan> ActionParsnip1: that might be a good idea
[13:00] <kora-chan> ActionParsnip1: the purge line returned that there were noch matches for firefox* but i still can start the new, clean installation from the gnome do
[13:01] <kora-chan> i removed all the firefox packages i found with synaptic before
[13:01] <ActionParsnip1> kora-chan: ok then also make sure they are purged:
[13:01] <ActionParsnip1> dpkg -l | grep firef
[13:01] <ActionParsnip1> if yuo see package names that start with 'rc'  then you will need to run:  sudo dpkg -P <package name>
[13:02] <kora-chan> there was a rc firefox-3.0
[13:02] <kora-chan> i ran the command on it
[13:03] <ActionParsnip1> you still had config files (but not the install) of firefox
[13:03] <ActionParsnip1> ok recheck its all gone then install firefox
[13:03] <kora-chan> well i still can start firefox via gnome do,.....
[13:03] <kora-chan> thats strange
[13:04] <ActionParsnip1> sudo apt-get install firefox should be all it takes, maybe its a weirdness in gnome-do
[13:05] <kora-chan> root ~ # ls -l /usr/bin | grep firefox*
[13:05] <kora-chan> zsh: no matches found: firefox*
[13:05] <kora-chan> kk ill do the reinstall
[13:07] <ActionParsnip1> kora-chan: are you logged on as root?
[13:07] <kora-chan> no i only have a root shell open for the apt stuff
[13:07] <ActionParsnip1> ok thats ok
[13:08] <kora-chan> i dont run the firefox as root, but on my normal user
[13:08] <ActionParsnip1> kora-chan: whats the output of     which firefox
[13:09] <kora-chan> ActionParsnip1: i just reinstalled firefox and were back to where we began. gnome do opens a clean instance, while alt+f2 opens my configured ff
[13:09] <kora-chan> root ~ # which firefox
[13:09] <kora-chan> /usr/bin/firefox
[13:10] <kora-chan> could i t be that the jaunty update installed an extra instance of firefox since maybe the firefox package i had before was from a launchpad repo?
[13:10] <ActionParsnip1> kora-chan: gnome-do must be using something different
[13:10] <ActionParsnip1> kora-chan: i'm not conversant with the app as I lanch everything from tilda /  yakuake
[13:11] <ActionParsnip1> kora-chan: log a bug
[13:12] <kora-chan> ActionParsnip1: k, maybe ill find out which bin gnome do executes, but thanks for all your help; btw is tilda / yakuake a fast launcher, since im not really bound to gnome-do?
[13:14] <ActionParsnip1> its a quake style konsole / terminal that hides in the top of yur screen til you bring it down with a hotkey
[13:15] <ActionParsnip1> so you can run all your file manipulation stuff and launch apps n the background all in the same box
[13:16] <ActionParsnip1> kora-chan: its exactly like using terminal. i launch stuff from there, as well as performing my day to day stuff
[13:18] <kora-chan> ActionParsnip1: ah alright, maybe ill give it a shot; since i do most of my stuff in terminals too; thanks again for the infos
[13:18] <ActionParsnip1> horses for courses
[13:50] <Dillizar> how can i change the color of the panels
[13:50] <Dillizar> ??
[13:53] <Dillizar> fuck
[13:53] <Dillizar> sorry wrong window
[13:53] <Dillizar> :D
[13:53] <Dillizar> the f word wasnt for this window :) sowwy
[14:07] <Dillizar> ANY ONE HERE
[14:07] <TheSheep> Dillizar: yes
[14:07] <Dillizar> knome are ya here man
[14:08] <Dillizar> yeah
[14:08] <Dillizar> TheSheep how can i change the color ov the pannels
[14:08] <TheSheep> Dillizar: by editing your theme, or adding it to your .gtkrc-2.0
[14:08] <Dillizar> damn
[14:08] <vidd> can someone point me to a good how-to for setting up dual monitors in xubuntu?
[14:09] <TheSheep> you sure have a foul mouth
[14:09] <Dillizar> :)
[14:09] <TheSheep> !xinerama | vidd
[14:09] <Dillizar> how can i edit my theme
[14:10] <TheSheep> Dillizar: try adding it to your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 file: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/114952
[14:10] <TheSheep> Dillizar: then switch your gtk theme and switch back
[14:10] <Dillizar> so i need to know the code of the color i want
[14:10] <Dillizar> ?
[14:11] <TheSheep> yes, you can get it with gimp
[14:11] <Dillizar> kewl :)
[14:11] <Dillizar> what is bg and what fg
[14:11] <vidd> bg =back ground
[14:11] <vidd> fg = fore ground
[14:12] <TheSheep> Dillizar: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials/GtkThemes
[14:12] <vidd> TheSheep, that info on xinerama seems dated....xorg doesnt use .conf anymore =\
[14:13] <TheSheep> vidd: it does
[14:13] <TheSheep> vidd: it just doesn't require it
[14:13] <vidd> ic
[14:23] <vidd> TheSheep, according to Bug #353575 xubuntu 9.04 uses xrandr and not xinerama for dual monitors
[14:24] <vidd> and xrandr sees both my screens
[14:24] <cody-somerville> Xfce 4.6 does indeed use xrandr
[14:24] <TheSheep> doesn't work with my nvidia
[14:25] <vidd> doesnt the nvidia-provided drivers and software take care of that for you TheSheep ?
[14:25] <vidd> (but my issue is a different card set)
[14:26] <vidd> my issue is that both screens are up, but are clones
[14:26] <TheSheep> vidd: I settled for two X screens in the end
[14:26] <TheSheep> vidd: yeah, that's how xrandr works
[14:27] <cody-somerville> I'm pretty sure you can get an extended desktop
[14:27] <cody-somerville> I have in the past
[14:28] <TheSheep> but usually smaller than the two screens combined
[14:28] <TheSheep> because it uses card's internal memory only
[14:29] <TheSheep> and most crads don't have enough for 2 screens
[14:33] <Dillizar> can i put gnome apps on the panel??
[14:34] <vidd> Dillizar, yes...
[14:34] <vidd> right click and add "launcher"
[14:34] <vidd> then configure the launcher for the desired app
[14:35] <Dillizar> vidd not like that
[14:36] <Dillizar> like weather panel app
[14:36] <vidd> you mean gnome panel apps?
[14:36] <Dillizar> yes
[14:36] <vidd> if the panel app is installed, then it should be selectable
[14:37] <Dillizar> damn i must change the theme on my xubntu cuz i saw today at work a BIG RAT not a mouse but a rat and i dont want to see the lil mouse there :)
[14:39] <vidd> brb
[14:58] <vidd> arg! what happened to <ctrl>+<alt>+<bksp>?????
[14:58] <vidd> brb
[15:32] <PingJocky> is there a trick to get Gigolo working?
[15:32] <PingJocky> or am i missing something?
[16:06] <hannes_eee> hello
[16:07] <hannes_eee> just upgraded 8.10 to 9.04 on another laptop
[16:07] <hannes_eee> the problem is that the nm-applet is not working
[16:08] <hannes_eee> and hal and dbus aren't starting at startup
[16:08] <hannes_eee> so i am not able to connect to wireless
[16:14] <hannes_eee> no ideas or any known bugs?
[16:14] <Mood> hannes_eee: did you reboot?
[16:14] <hannes_eee> yes
[16:14] <hannes_eee> several times
[16:14] <Mood> did you try sudo apt-get update/upgrade?
[16:15] <hannes_eee> yes and now i'm dpkg -i *.deb in /var/cache/packages
[16:15] <hannes_eee> so i'll see what happens
[16:16] <Mood> hannes_eee: does ifconfig show eth0 and wlan0?
[16:16] <hannes_eee> yes
[16:16] <Mood> does wired connection work?
[16:17] <hannes_eee> no possibility
[16:17] <Mood> ?
[16:17] <hannes_eee> atm
[16:17] <hannes_eee> the router is quite a bit away
[16:18] <Mood> hannes_eee: i'd first see if wired connection works to get that out of the equation
[16:20] <ball> hello charlie-tca
[16:21] <charlie-tca> Hello, ball
[16:22] <Marcurus> how is it?
[16:22] <Marcurus> !hello | charlie-tca
[16:22] <Marcurus> :)
[16:22] <charlie-tca> how is what?
[16:23] <Marcurus> that bot command :)
[16:23] <Marcurus> the bot command // hopefully correct answer
[16:24] <charlie-tca> Oh, I see
[16:24] <hannes_eee> ok the dpkg -i did the trick after a reboot it works
[16:25] <hannes_eee> thanks anyway
[16:25] <charlie-tca> same as !hi, right
[16:25] <charlie-tca> !hi
[16:26] <Marcurus> ehm... that bot.. is he reading itself? 0:-)
[16:26]  * Marcurus thinks about !hi | !hi
[16:26] <charlie-tca> No, anything prefaced with ! is a bot command
[16:26] <charlie-tca> You don't need a nick for the 'bot to respond
[16:27] <Marcurus> yeah, but this way, shouldt it cycle the bot indefinitely?
[16:27] <charlie-tca> A simple !hi or !hello should get a respond
[16:27] <charlie-tca> I told it to say hi using !hi
[16:28] <charlie-tca> If it is cycling on your computer, something is wrong with the client you are using
[16:28] <Marcurus> if I say !hi | !hi, he will say !hi: Hi! Welcome... which may trigger another round
[16:29] <Marcurus> !hi | !hi
[16:29] <Marcurus> :(
[16:29] <Marcurus> I forgot the ':'
[16:29] <Marcurus> I though it will read his own sentence and trigger itself again
[16:30] <Marcurus> ah, never mind :D
[16:30] <Marcurus> I am just stupid probably, not even pipe there :D
[16:31] <charlie-tca> !ubottu
[16:31] <chewit> charlie-tca, whats the latest with Xfce 4.6.1 in Jaunty?
[16:31] <charlie-tca> It is not in jaunty yet
[16:31] <chewit> ok, when will it go to the updates?
[16:31] <charlie-tca> It will go after it gets packaged for us.
[16:32] <charlie-tca> Don't have dates yet
[16:32] <chewit> ok
[16:32] <chewit> thanks
[16:35] <Kerio> heh not near as much commotion here as in ubuntu channel
[16:35] <ball> Hello Kerio
[16:36] <Kerio> hello
[16:36] <carlis> Hi
[16:36] <carlis> I need help
[16:36] <Kerio> with what?
[16:37] <carlis> I want to install xubuntu from my flash memory how do i do it ?
[16:37] <Kerio> it's almost like you can hear the typing :)
[16:38] <carlis> How do i do it Kerio ??
[16:38] <Kerio> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[16:38] <Kerio> haven't tried it myself
[16:39] <carlis> ok.
[16:39] <carlis> Thanks for helping me Kerio
[16:40] <carlis> Bye Kerio
[16:57] <tavasti> anybody with experience on installing vdr with xineliboutput?
[16:58] <tavasti> I have xubuntu 8.10 with vdr packages from http://www.hanno.de/
[16:58] <tavasti> and can't get it running, xine window opens, but closes immediately, and vdr quits
[17:30] <skull> hi
[17:30] <skull> i need ur help
[17:33] <genii> skull: A description of the problem you are having first would be useful
[17:34] <skull> how can i config dialup connection
[17:38] <genii> skull: from command line: sudo pppconfig                         and then enter the relevant info. After that you should be able to click on the network icon and tell it to dial out, etc
[17:39] <genii> Please note in pppconfig your mouse is useless, use the Tab key to change fields, Enter to select, etc
[17:43] <skull> thanx i try
[17:59] <carlis> I want to create a bootable Live USB drives for install Xubuntu and I have this webpage: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/. I think is difficult. Is there another way to do it more easy ?
[17:59] <carlis> Thanks for help
[18:00] <carlis> Who can help me ???
[18:00] <charlie-tca> http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/ubuntu-from-your-flash-drive-easier-than-ever-before/
[18:01] <charlie-tca> Might help. It is written by an Xubuntu user
[18:01]  * Pres-Gas gets his rss action on for that weblog...
[18:02] <carlis> ok
[18:02] <carlis> Thanks for helping me Charlie
[18:02] <carlis> Bye Charlie
[18:03] <charlie-tca> He tries to do the flash drive for every release, so it is tested in jaunty
[18:03] <charlie-tca> yp
[18:03] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[18:16] <J_Litewski> charlie-tca: I downloaded the notification-daemon-xfce and tried to compile it, and i get permission denied. I tried running it as root and still the same problem
[18:17] <charlie-tca> J_Litewski: I don't know anything about it
[18:17] <J_Litewski> ah
[18:17] <charlie-tca> Why are you compiling it instead of installing it from Synaptic Package Manager?
[18:17] <J_Litewski> it's not in the package manager
[18:18] <J_Litewski> i checked already
[18:18] <charlie-tca> You might check in #xfce then, to see what is missing
[18:18] <J_Litewski> ok
[18:21] <Dillizar> J_Litewski maybe you need to turn oc the X and try to install it like that
[18:21] <Dillizar> off*
[18:22] <J_Litewski> ?
[18:27] <charlie-tca> J_Litewski: Maybe you need xfce4-notifyd with it?
[18:27] <J_Litewski> charle-tca, i got that
[18:30] <Yondering> hello.. attempting to follow the directions at ttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=789578 and wound up with http://paste.ubuntu.com/160830/ when trying to run pulseaudio from a terminal.  any ideas?
[18:36] <charlie-tca> PulseAudio is not used in Xubuntu, you should ask in Ubuntu
[18:37] <charlie-tca> sorry, #ubuntu
[18:39] <accab> If pulse audio isn't used, what is? I dont get any sound on my laptop
[18:39] <accab> and was thinking of going throught that ubuntu checklist to see if it fixed things
[18:46] <nikolam> I have a silly question
[18:46] <nikolam> Why programs use so much RAM?
[18:46] <nikolam> Xfce and panels and plugins in particular. I am on 64bit
[18:47] <nikolam> xfce4-menu-plugin uses 97.7MB and climing
[18:48] <charlie-tca> accab: Xubuntu uses alsa audio
[18:48] <nikolam> i use hardy
[18:49] <accab> @charlie-tca thanks
[18:49] <charlie-tca> Do you have the speaker icon on the panel?
[18:49] <accab> I will work my way through the checklist there, ther
[18:49] <accab> no I don't
[18:49] <accab> come to think of it
[18:49] <nikolam> xfrun4 for instance, use 6.4MB of RAM. Just sitting and waiting for Alt+F2, right?
[18:50] <charlie-tca> right click the panel, click add to panel, add the volume control
[18:50] <accab> that would be alsa-mixer or something like that?
[18:50] <J_Litewski> how would I upgrade the XFCE package to 4.6.1?
[18:50] <nikolam> charlie-tca, or he can use drag and drop if adding does not work
[18:50] <charlie-tca> Then left-click twice to open properties and make sure master and pcm are unmuted
[18:51] <charlie-tca> nikolam: I don't know much about ram usage.
[18:51] <accab> yup
[18:51] <accab> done that
[18:51] <charlie-tca> now see if you have sound
[18:51] <accab> let me find a test wav
[18:52] <charlie-tca> in /usr/share/sounds/purple/
[18:52] <nikolam> also about cpu usage, gnome-system-monitor uses 39% of cpu time
[18:53] <charlie-tca> system monitor always steals a lot of cpu, then settles down if you don't do anything
[18:53] <nikolam> shouldn`t it use ,like 0% or something
[18:53] <gartral1> whats the default text editor in xubutu (gui)
[18:54] <charlie-tca> Only if nothing else is happening. Just a mouse movement will make it go way up
[18:54] <charlie-tca> mousepad
[18:54] <nikolam> It shows itself on more then 40% all the time now. And nothing but Xorg is using much cpu
[18:54] <charlie-tca> gartral1: mousepad
[18:55] <gartral1> ok, and gksu mousepad will work to edit a system file, right?
[18:55] <charlie-tca> nikolam: I found it got so bad I could not keep it on all the time. It steals too much cpu
[18:55] <charlie-tca> gartral1: right
[18:55] <Carlis> Hi Charlie
[18:55] <Carlis> I have a question for u
[18:55] <nikolam> Also I suffer very bad multitaskin issues, whenever disk is heavily used, everything freezes. Especially when update or package install is being done.
[18:56] <charlie-tca> go ahead, Carlis
[18:56] <Carlis> ok
[18:56] <nikolam> charlie-tca, maybe I should file a bug on gnome-system-monitor, for being a cpu pig.
[18:56] <Carlis> Is possible to install usb-creator in windows ¿
[18:57] <Carlis> ?
[18:57] <charlie-tca> I don't know, Carlis
[18:57] <charlie-tca> I never use it.
[18:57] <gartral1> carlis you need unetbootin
[18:57] <charlie-tca> I would think you would need one written for windows
[18:57] <nikolam> what is usb-creator?
[18:58] <Carlis> It`s diffiicult oto use unetbooting
[18:58] <knome> Carlis, usb-creator is available in live cd
[18:58] <charlie-tca> Used to create a live cd on a thumbdrive
[18:58] <nikolam> I made usb bootable xubuntu drive out of xubuntu desktop, very easily , usin unetbootin !
[18:59] <charlie-tca> but that don't really work from windows, does it?
[18:59] <nikolam> what it have to do with windows?
[18:59] <charlie-tca> I think the cpu usage bug is reported already
 Is possible to install usb-creator in windows ¿
[19:00] <nikolam> charlie-tca, thanks
[19:00] <charlie-tca> That was the question.
[19:01] <nikolam> one can use virtualbox
[19:01] <Carlis> virtualbox ???
[19:02] <nikolam> why you need windows?
[19:02] <Carlis> because In windows I have the zubuntu iso file
[19:03] <nikolam> well buy one cdrw media and boot computer to xubuntu desktop from cd
[19:03] <nikolam> then make your usb.
[19:04] <Carlis> is not possible to create in usb ???
[19:05] <SiDi> you can
[19:05] <SiDi> !install usb
[19:05] <SiDi> there is on the wiki a guide that tells you how to do manually
[19:05] <SiDi> basically, open your ISO with something like daemon tools
[19:05] <SiDi> copy all the files to the USB key freshly formated to FAT16
[19:05] <nikolam> yes it is man, boou xubuntu from cd and make it. there is also one more program, just a second to find it..
[19:06] <SiDi> and then you'll have to rename a few files (thats the part i cant remember)
[19:06] <SiDi> nikolam: the point of making an usb bootable key from windows is avoiding having to make a cdrom :)
[19:07] <SiDi> Carlis: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[19:07] <SiDi> Check at the middle-end, manual methods
[19:07] <nikolam> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/
[19:07] <nikolam> i used to use gui for that from iso to usb. Just to find the name of it
[19:08] <nikolam> This is onteresting Carlis http://www.pendrivelinux.com/usb-xubuntu-904-persistent-install-windows/
[19:10] <Carlis> Ok
[19:10] <Carlis> Thank You very much for helping me alot
[19:10] <nikolam> Carlis, Why don`t you just use http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ for windows?
[19:10] <accab> charlie-tca -- I found the sound files. I click them. they play, but no sound comes out :-(
[19:11] <accab> is there some kind of checklist I can try?
[19:11] <nikolam> accab, turn your speakers on or plug headphones to right hole
[19:11] <Carlis> because Unetbooting is difficult
[19:12] <nikolam> Carlis, You can make any kind of bootable usb with it..
[19:12] <nikolam> Carlis, why difficult??
[19:12] <nikolam> just point it to your .iso you have
[19:13] <nikolam> check your .iso with md5 program to see if it downloaded right
[19:13] <nikolam> Carlis, it is easiest program in the universe to make bootable usb...
[19:14] <nikolam> Carlis, I don`t understand you.
[19:14] <accab> ah. fixed it, I think. this is a laptop, so the speakers are always on. But there was a checkbox for "headphone jack sense" and if that was ticked, there was no sound
[19:14] <accab> thanks
[19:15] <accab> next question: where is the desktop menu file stored?
[19:15] <nikolam> Carlis, you have nice gui app to make bootable usb from .iso you have. Case closed.
[19:15] <accab> It has grown hugely bloated since I upgraded to 9.04, and I can't find the graphical menu editor that used to be there
[19:16] <Carlis> gui app where is it ?
[19:18] <Carlis> ok. Nikolam Thanks for helping me
[19:18] <nikolam> Carlis http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[19:18] <Carlis> ok
[19:18] <charlie-tca> accab: glad yuou got sound fixed.
[19:19] <charlie-tca> menu files are in /usr/share/applications
[19:19] <charlie-tca> If you are planning on modifying them,
[19:19] <charlie-tca> copy '/etc/xdg/menus/xfce-applications.menu to '~/.config/xdg/menus' and customize it.
[19:19] <Carlis> Thanks for helping me Nikolam
[19:19] <Carlis> Bye
[19:19] <charlie-tca> accab: You can also create desktop entries in '~/.local/share/applications' to override the existing applications (change or hide) or add new ones.
[19:20] <charlie-tca> even more help available at http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
[19:20] <todkon> Hmm, how would I get xfce4-mcs-manager intalled in Jaunty?
[19:20] <accab> charlie-tca: thanks. That's masses of help - a long evening's fiddling lies ahead
[19:20] <charlie-tca> There is no menu editor in xfce 4.6 yet, so you have to do it manually
[19:21] <charlie-tca> todkon: you don't
[19:21] <charlie-tca> it is not used in 9.04
[19:21] <todkon> ah, is it obsolete?
[19:21] <accab> I have scite, which edits xml files as well as anything else
[19:21] <charlie-tca> yes
[19:21] <todkon> what's used to boot up all the ggtk stuff?
[19:21] <Pres-Gas> Boy, it sho would help if I remembered that reformatting a partition during an install will generate a new uuid for it.
[19:21] <charlie-tca> accab: that should work
[19:21] <charlie-tca> can't remember, todkon
[19:22] <charlie-tca> Pres-Gas: +1
[19:22] <todkon> ah
[19:23]  * charlie-tca puts memory under "brain-dead" today
[19:24] <Pres-Gas> charlie-tca, needed to test Fedora 10 for something...did not let it install Grub and edited the /boot/grub/menu.lst to manually add it...all of that was well.  Then saw that fsck could not resolve a uuid.  Should check /etc/fstab too.
[19:24] <hezy> hi, anyone knows if it's possible to have Thunar use the EXIF of image files to present thumbnail in the right orientation?
[19:36] <nikolam> hezy, you can get thunar source with apt-get source thunar. Check it out and make it use :)
[19:38] <hezy> nikolam: yes, but as far as I know thumbnails in thunar are handled by plugins.
[19:38] <nikolam> so the question is, what plugin does it
[19:38] <nikolam> #debian-xfce ?
[19:40] <nikolam> hezy, thunar-thumbnailers ?
[19:41] <hezy> nikolam: I'm using xubuntu.
[19:41] <nikolam> me also
[19:41] <hezy> I think it's the same in debian
[19:43] <hezy> anyway, I'm not sure if there is an easy way to do it' or is it a feature I should ask for
[19:51] <SiDi> hezy: ask JPohlmann if he's around
[19:51] <SiDi> he's working on thunar at the moment, so he might know how its / if its managed
[20:04] <hezy> SiDi: where can I find JPohlmann ?
[20:07] <SiDi> He's here, just wait and i'm sure he'll answer when he got a minute
[20:07] <hezy> thanks SiDi
[20:15] <hezy> JPohlmann: is there a way to make Thunar use the EXIF of image files in order to present thumbnails in the right orientation?
[20:16] <nikolam> hmm, how do we check real CPU speed ?
[20:16] <nikolam> I overclocked my machine a bit, but everythin still displays original cpu speed..
[20:18] <nikolam> maybe because /proc/cpuinfo reads data from cpu directly and does not display real current cpu speed
[20:19] <zoredache> run some process that stresses the cpu like PI calculators when system is not over-clocked and after it is overclocked
[20:20] <nikolam> on the hardware side, I think that overclocking is done. On some other OS, it displays changed cpu speed corectly. Also I set performance in emifreq
[20:21] <nikolam> zoredache, you think it actually works on stock speed, even if it is set to overclock in motherboard settings?
[20:22] <nikolam> I compile something right now, I think it is enough
[20:27] <nikolam> oh my god even sound is twitching when disk activity is high...
[22:19] <histo> Is there a volume control that doesn't suck for jaunty? I click on it and it opens a window rather than just having a slider.
[22:20] <SiDi> more or less the principle of a sound mixer
[22:20] <SiDi> offering more than one channel
[22:20] <SiDi> feel free to use gnome's one via an xfapplet tho
[22:20] <histo> No i'm saying most users are used to just clicking and getting a slider but right or double clicking to get a mixer.
[22:21] <histo> Anyhoot if I do pull up the mixer I only get one channel anyways.
[22:21] <SiDi> you are used to :)
[22:21] <SiDi> i personally prefer having a window that i can close easily instead of a slider taking focus and having to click back on the icon to close it, as under gnome
[22:25] <J_Litewski> where would I go if i find spelling mistakes in the Help Documentation?
[22:25] <J_Litewski> do i have to create a patch, or just fix the mistakes and upload them?
[22:25] <artistxe> J_Litewski,  to hell ?
[22:25] <artistxe> ;)
[22:25] <J_Litewski> ;)
[22:25] <artistxe> j/k . do not know of where to report bugs in the docs
[22:26] <SiDi> J_Litewski: launchpad.net
[22:26] <SiDi> translations of xubuntu-docs
[22:26] <J_Litewski> ah, ok
[22:26] <SiDi> ;)
[22:26] <histo> SiDi: yeah they could have it disapear after a certain amount of time.
[22:26] <J_Litewski> might as well help xubuntu by spell checking lol
[22:26] <J_Litewski> i found one problem already
[22:27] <artistxe> one would think that the docs were spell checked. funny .
[22:27] <J_Litewski> well, it was more of a copy and pasteerror
[22:27] <J_Litewski> * paste error
[22:27] <J_Litewski> damn space key
[22:28] <artistxe> damned*
[22:28] <J_Litewski> lol
[22:29] <artistxe> J_Litewski, I am beginning to suspect that you are not the right one for the job :P
[22:29] <J_Litewski> heh
[22:30] <J_Litewski> i use to be a spelling bee champ before my memory started going
[22:30] <artistxe> reminding me off the phrase " Get off the girl and give me a try"
[22:30] <artistxe> J_Litewski, that is horrible. how old are you ?
[22:30] <J_Litewski> 21
[22:30] <J_Litewski> err... 20
[22:30] <J_Litewski> almost 21
[22:30] <SiDi> started going huh ?
[22:31] <SiDi> cant remember your age? :D
[22:31] <J_Litewski> it's part of the drugs my parents put me on
[22:31] <artistxe> 21 and your memory is going ???   how much junk food are you consuming ?
[22:31] <J_Litewski> stupid zoloft and ritalin
[22:31] <SiDi> ew
[22:31] <J_Litewski> yea
[22:31] <J_Litewski> first gen stuff
[22:32] <artistxe> ritalin has some bizarre effects if you snort it ( I have, ahem, heard)
[22:32] <J_Litewski> destroyed my short term memory
[22:32] <J_Litewski> brb dishes
[22:32] <artistxe> wow. at 21 and your memory is going
[22:32] <charlie-tca> J_Litewski: report the help bugs in launchpad
[22:33] <SiDi> night people
[22:33] <charlie-tca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs
[22:33] <charlie-tca> for them
[22:34] <evilbug> i made a xubuntu 9.04 install flash drive via unetbootin to install on an eee and i can't get past the cdrom install part.
[22:35] <charlie-tca> http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/ubuntu-from-your-flash-drive-easier-than-ever-before/
[22:38] <evilbug> charlie-tca: the flash drive came out fine though.
[22:39] <charlie-tca> But it isn't installing?
[22:39] <charlie-tca> What is not working?
[22:41] <evilbug> charlie-tca: so the only option from the unetbootin menu i can boot with is Default. i get through language and keyboard layout but then it gets to the cdrom drive part, asking to install drivers from it.
[22:42] <charlie-tca> If you are installing from USB, you should not need cdrom drivers
[22:42] <evilbug> that's what the menu is telling me.
[22:42] <evilbug> it asks me for a cdrom drive.
[22:42] <evilbug> i'm going to try creating the flash boot again using usb-creator now.
[22:43] <charlie-tca> I would look at that blog post, personally
[22:43] <dj_bushido> can somebody help me with awn?
[22:44] <charlie-tca> !awn
[22:44] <dj_bushido> I meant a problem.
[22:44] <knome> you can always ask
[22:45] <dj_bushido> currently I am getting an error that it python can't import awn. I checked to make sure that it wasn't running from /usr/local/bin but I still can't import the module
[22:45] <knome> we might not know the answer, though, as this is not the awn support channel
[22:45] <dj_bushido> for the record as well, the python bindings are installed (dependency).
[22:47] <charlie-tca> You might want to try #awn
[22:48] <JPohlmann> hezy: I think Thunar is supposed to do that already.
[22:49] <knome> JPohlmann, *you* *think*? :P
[22:49] <J_Litewski> when did OOo become the standard office suite for Xubuntu?
[22:50] <hezy> JPohlmann: I'm using Thunar 1.0.0 in the new xubuntu 9.04, and it does not seem to do it
[22:50] <J_Litewski> because it wasn't installed when I installed Xubuntu last year
[22:51] <artistxe> J_Litewski, and is there even a "standard office suite" for xubuntu anyway ?
[22:51] <charlie-tca> J_Litewski: It isn't.
[22:52] <J_Litewski> ah
[22:52] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu installs Gnumeric and Abiword
[22:52] <J_Litewski> then the docs lie
[22:52] <artistxe> and that's it
[22:52] <charlie-tca> Turn in a bug report on it to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs
[22:53] <artistxe> J_Litewski spellchecks the docs and then he takes them to court gotta love it
[22:53] <J_Litewski> ok, I will once i'm done
[22:53] <J_Litewski> lol
[22:53] <hezy> JPohlmann: I use GPicView to turn photos 90 deg (landscape to portrait) and all the other programs show the thumbnail as portrait. Thunar does not
[22:54] <charlie-tca> every little bit helps
[22:54] <artistxe> I think you are focussing too much on docs. have anything better to do there ? like mahjongg or pron ?
[22:54] <J_Litewski> lol
[22:54] <J_Litewski> i'm just trying to make sure that the info is correct
[22:54] <charlie-tca> Docs are pretty important! That is what the new user gets his impressions from
[22:54] <JPohlmann> hezy: Well, hm, file a bug then. I'm currently working on Thunar but that thing will have to wait for a while.
[22:55] <JPohlmann> But it would still be useful to know about that bug to fix it later.
[22:55] <J_Litewski> since i'm not good enough to code (yet), this is making me feel good
[22:55] <artistxe> charlie-tca, very true. just joking though.
[22:55] <charlie-tca> I like mahjongg
[22:55] <hezy> JPohlmann: thanks. And btw, thanks for the great work you are doing :)
[22:56] <JPohlmann> You're welcome!
[22:56] <artistxe> J_Litewski, just joking . ppl do appreciate good docs . and charlie-tca I do also every once in awhile. is one of the only games I play
[22:56] <J_Litewski> charlie-tca, quick question. how would i change my DNS settings for my wired connection if the button is grayed out?
[22:57] <charlie-tca> Try GNU Backgammon. It is really good, too
[22:59] <dj_bushido> to change DNS you might have to authorize the program with your sudo password.
[23:00] <J_Litewski> i can do it with my wireless connection without the sudo password
[23:01] <J_Litewski> it complains about my keyring though
[23:02] <artistxe> charlie-tca, I have backgammon somewhere ( bsdgames) but I cannot start from terminal for some reason ( cannot recall proper name )
[23:03] <charlie-tca> That's why I use gnubackgammon. It shows up in the menu!
[23:03] <charlie-tca> It is world-class play, too
[23:03] <artistxe> oh. you use menus
[23:03] <charlie-tca> heh
[23:04] <artistxe> ;)
[23:04] <charlie-tca> I fought with backgammon in the terminal, never did get any of them to work for me
[23:04] <evilbug> charlie-tca: now it works fine, thanks.
[23:04] <artistxe> okay . and it is so not under games menu or anywhere else I can see in xubuntu
[23:05] <artistxe> char
[23:05] <charlie-tca> You have to install it
[23:05] <artistxe> charlie-tca, unless you are running xubuntu with gnome
[23:05] <charlie-tca> It is not a default game
[23:05] <artistxe> oh. I see.
[23:06] <charlie-tca> called gnubg
[23:07] <artistxe> oh. " couldn't find package gnubackgammon"
[23:07] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I had to go look, myself
[23:08] <artistxe> it suggested kbackgammon before installing gnubg
[23:08] <charlie-tca> I have xgammon installed, and gnubg
[23:08] <charlie-tca> I don't use kubuntu, so I don't install kbackgammon
[23:09] <artistxe> oh. I am not a fan of anything KDE
[23:09] <artistxe> charlie-tca, got it . looks very cool. thanks for the tip :)
[23:09] <charlie-tca> welcome. Enjoy it
[23:10] <charlie-tca> Took me a while to learn how to use it. It really is good
[23:11] <artistxe> one question though. is there a way to move pieces via keyboard instead of using the mouse ?
[23:11] <charlie-tca> Yes, click new, it shows the keyboard keys
[23:12] <JPohlmann> hezy: Thanks for the report
[23:12] <artistxe> cool
[23:13] <charlie-tca> I think help goes through them, too
[23:14] <hezy> JPohlmann: sure. sorry that I can't help much more than that...
[23:15] <JPohlmann> It's ok. I'll not be able to do anything about it right now but as soon as I can I'll try to reproduce it.
[23:15] <JPohlmann> hezy: Can you maybe attach an example image, maybe before and after rotating it with GPicView?
[23:16] <hezy> JPohlmann: sure, no problem.
[23:16] <JPohlmann> Thanks
[23:19] <J_Litewski> it's fun breaking the help documents
[23:21] <J_Litewski> it's also fun fixing them too
[23:21] <charlie-tca> :-)
[23:21] <artistxe> J_Litewski, you mentioned that you do not code yet. if you want to learn I would suggest playing around with Python as a start
[23:22] <J_Litewski> the 'how to restore a deleted file' info box was wrong
[23:22] <J_Litewski> i was looking into python artistxe, it looks fun
[23:23] <artistxe> oh . it is. and very easy to learn  with so many resources available for getting started
[23:23] <J_Litewski> i'm thinking about installing the python hooks for the xfce4 desktop and panel and making little test things
[23:23] <artistxe> sure. why not
[23:23] <J_Litewski> since i'm still having problems with making my own notification box
[23:24] <J_Litewski> i can do it using a loophole in the API, but not using the libnotify/notify.h way
[23:24] <artistxe> J_Litewski, to get used to the idea of basic parameters , do you have conky installed ?
[23:24] <J_Litewski> not sure
[23:25] <J_Litewski> i'll check
[23:25] <artistxe> then you do not
[23:25] <demon_> my xubuntu doesnt want to boot
[23:25] <artistxe> anyway. it is basic scripting . you can start with that
[23:26] <artistxe> demon_, ppl have been having that problem. sorry to hear you are one of them. is it a laptop ?
[23:26] <J_Litewski> ok, ty artistxe
[23:26] <demon_> yes
[23:26] <artistxe> demon_, any other os installed besides xubuntu ?
[23:26] <demon_> nope
[23:27] <demon_> just download the alternative version cuz i have only 128 ram
[23:27] <artistxe> okay. this is going to sound very silly. does it startup ( the comp) and the power light flashes for a bit. and then it sounds like it winds down before it shuts off ?
[23:27] <demon_> the installation was good and then the line goes few cm and the stops
[23:27] <knome> demon_, just for start, xubuntu will be very slow even if it booted.
[23:27] <demon_> cuz i have 128ram
[23:27] <knome> yes.
[23:28] <artistxe> wow.....
[23:28] <demon_> :(
[23:28] <demon_> but it needs only 128 ram right
[23:28] <artistxe> uh. dunno
[23:28] <demon_> 196 to install but i have the alternative cd
[23:29] <J_Litewski> it needs around 256 to run smoothly
[23:29] <demon_> sure?
[23:29] <J_Litewski> 128 is good for command line
[23:29]  * artistxe suggest Puppy at that rate . a laptop with 128 ???
[23:29] <demon_> or lxfe?
[23:29] <J_Litewski> i use to have a lappy with 24mb of RAM
[23:29] <artistxe> no
[23:30] <demon_> what about opengeu
[23:30] <demon_> can i run it on 128ram?
[23:30] <demon_> elive works :)
[23:30] <artistxe> e16 should work
[23:30] <forces> saluton
[23:30] <knome> demon_, it is *possible* that xubuntu runs with 128ram.
[23:31] <artistxe> knome. just not on his computer.
[23:31] <demon_> lol
[23:31] <demon_> :D
[23:31] <charlie-tca> You can run xubuntu with 128ram, but it is slow, may take 5 minutes to boot
[23:31] <knome> artistxe, looks like that.
[23:31] <demon_> i have 366mhz
[23:31] <beejay7777> hi
[23:31] <artistxe> demon_, can you run the live disc ?
[23:31] <beejay7777> after upgrade i have :"No Exec line in the session file: xfce. Starting failsafe GNOME"
[23:31] <knome> charlie-tca is the expert on running xubuntu with low ram
[23:31] <beejay7777> any clue what to do
[23:32] <beejay7777> ?
[23:32] <demon_> artistxe,  i dont have a livecd
[23:32] <charlie-tca> beejay7777: yes
[23:33] <artistxe> beejay7777, go into gnome. find the file that handles sessions . and make xfce default ( I am guessing)
[23:33] <charlie-tca> You will need to edit /home/USER_NAME/.dmrc and change the line that says SESSION=xfce4 to SESSION=xfce
[23:34] <charlie-tca> Then restart
[23:34] <beejay7777> charlie-tca: this xubuntu is on my parents computer - the upgrade did not go smooth
[23:34] <charlie-tca> that little change will fix the error
[23:35] <artistxe> the file with start with a "dm" maybe for desktop manager ......hold on . be right back
[23:35] <charlie-tca> artistxe: no
[23:35] <J_Litewski> heh, Chapter 12. Customising Your Computer
[23:36] <beejay7777> i reboot and check
[23:36] <artistxe> charlie-tca, sorry. you are right. I was not reading full convo
[23:36] <artistxe> dmrc stands for what ?
[23:37] <artistxe> I remember seeing that in my home directory
[23:37] <charlie-tca> I do not know
[23:37] <charlie-tca> I only know what fixes that error
[23:37] <artistxe> yes. well the file only seems to list the default session
[23:38] <charlie-tca> Maybe it is desktop manager resource configuration
[23:38] <artistxe> makes sense
[23:39] <beejay7777> working beautifull
[23:40] <beejay7777> thanks a lot
[23:40] <artistxe> beejay7777, what did that file read anyway before you edited it ?
[23:40] <artistxe> and why is upgrade doing this to ppl ?
[23:41] <beejay7777> SESSION=xfce4
[23:41] <knome> the script (or sth) to run for xfce changed for 4.6
[23:41] <charlie-tca> It is a bug. We found it too late to fix it
[23:41] <artistxe> hahaha
[23:41] <knome> charlie-tca, there was not really a way to fix it and at the same time to really migrate to the new name.
[23:41] <artistxe> sorry . but I have to compose myself after that one
[23:42] <artistxe> seriously ( a startup bug) ?
[23:42] <charlie-tca> And, you don't see it if they select "xfce4 session" when you log in the first time after the upgrade
[23:42] <knome> artistxe, it is not as bad as including kde 4.0 in the kubuntu release earlier
[23:42] <knome> artistxe, where the complete desktop was broken for many many people
[23:43] <artistxe> knome. screw the KDE users  :P
[23:43] <knome> artistxe, and many basic users had to do complete re-installs
[23:43] <charlie-tca> weighed the options, it was judged less serious than breaking jaunty at the last minute
[23:43] <knome> charlie-tca, ?
[23:43] <artistxe> I kould kare less about them
[23:44] <knome> charlie-tca, the kde 4.0 versus xfce 4.6 startup?
[23:44] <beejay7777> i have to say that upgrade from distance brake on hal configuration for me
[23:44] <charlie-tca> No, the upgrade 8.10 to 9.04 bug in .dmrc
[23:44] <knome> charlie-tca, right.
[23:44] <beejay7777> and i have to do it by the phone :)
[23:44] <charlie-tca> beejay7777: don't know that one
[23:45] <knome> charlie-tca, the reason i feel including kde 4.0 back then is epic fail is that the kubuntu team already had a way to sandbox kde4 *and* run kde3 simultaneously.
[23:45] <beejay7777> i connect to my parents computer through ssh
[23:45] <knome> charlie-tca, but they decided to go with the broken desktop, even if they knew it would lead to catastrophe.
[23:46] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that seemed like a big mistake to me
[23:46] <knome> charlie-tca, that was a silly decision from the kubuntu team and knowing what their leader thought about the desktop being broken for many people...
[23:47] <knome> charlie-tca, i'm not saying they didn't do all they could, but there was an option to keep kde3, even if it wasn't that new and experimental.
[23:47] <knome> charlie-tca, kde4 was already available for users who wanted it.
[23:47] <knome> charlie-tca, it lost kubuntu many users.
[23:48] <charlie-tca> I agree. At least we all learned from that, though
[23:48] <knome> enough of rants :)
[23:48] <knome> true
[23:48] <knome> just have to remember to keep our head calm even if we have something really nice coming.
[23:49] <beejay7777> charlie-tca: thanks a lot again - maybe put this info about bug somewher -  i was googling and can not find anything
[23:49] <knome> charlie-tca, isn't the bug in the release notes?
[23:49] <charlie-tca> No, we opted to leave it out for some reason I can't recall
[23:49] <knome> right
[23:51]  * knome has some pressure on keeping the artwork quality as high as it was for jaunty
[23:52] <artistxe> we opted sounds so suspicious
[23:52] <charlie-tca> It was discussed and decided ? better
[23:52] <knome> artistxe, it was a developer community decision and i believe it was wise, even if i wasn't part of it.
[23:52] <charlie-tca> I think I must be tired, my English is going to hell
[23:53] <knome> ehm, even if i wasn't online discussing it. :)
[23:53] <knome> charlie-tca, lol ;)
[23:53] <knome> charlie-tca, i only slept for 5,5 hours after the night shift
[23:53] <artistxe> how many devs are in this room ?
[23:53] <charlie-tca> omg! you should perhaps get some sleep today
[23:54] <beejay7777> thanks again, i go to sleep, bye
[23:54] <knome> artistxe, about five at the moment.
[23:54] <knome> artistxe, our main channel for development is #xubuntu-devel
[23:54] <artistxe> knome. I see. and is the room passwd only ?
[23:55] <knome> artistxe, nope. feel free to join
[23:55] <charlie-tca> Several will monitor the channel at any given time. They will attempt to help as needed
[23:55] <artistxe> oh. I might do that one afternoon.
[23:55] <charlie-tca> Just keep support questions over here, please.
[23:55] <artistxe> pfft. of course.
[23:55] <knome> artistxe, basically our development discussion is open for everyone to participate
[23:55] <knome> charlie-tca, as usual... :P
[23:56] <knome> charlie-tca, where is the channel for xubuntu talk which is not about development or support but still is not offtopic?
[23:56] <artistxe> knome. I see. same goes with blendercoders ( although I do not agree with that idea all of the time)
[23:56] <charlie-tca> I see more and more asking in #xubuntu-devel when it should have been asked here
[23:56] <knome> artistxe, of course the core developer team has the last word.
[23:56] <knome> charlie-tca, true
[23:56] <artistxe> knome. I would hope so
[23:56] <knome> artistxe, we definitely do :P
[23:57] <charlie-tca> don't have one, knome. We only have the three channels for xubuntu
[23:57] <zoredache> knome: actually, as the user of OSS software I have the final word...
[23:57] <knome> charlie-tca, so that must be #xubuntu then, but only when there is no support going on
[23:57] <charlie-tca> yeah
[23:57] <knome> zoredache, really? on what we're going to include to the next release? :)
[23:57] <djs> I had an upgrade go horribly wrong. Where can I find the official repositories for Xubuntu?
[23:57] <knome> to be honest, this is not about words.
[23:58] <knome> djs, what did go wrong?
[23:58] <zoredache> knome: what is the release doesn't directly relate to what I use on my system
[23:58] <knome> djs, do you need the package repositories or the cd ISO?
[23:58] <charlie-tca> djs: uncheck all the sources in Applications -> System -> Software Sources
[23:59] <charlie-tca> close it, then open it and check them again. It will rebuild the list
[23:59] <artistxe> knome : you would have to agree though. sometimes it can be a disaster fighting thru all of the end user requests vs the ppl that are actually working on the code
[23:59] <charlie-tca> knome: user always gets the last word, since if they don't use the OS, it would disappear