[00:57] anyone know a good program that i can use on Xubuntu to scan and fix viruses on a Windows PC? [01:11] Anyone here? [01:12] yes and no [01:12] Considering using xubuntu, on an IBM Thinkpad, Pentium II 363 mHZ 352 RAM 8 gb HD, got a few questions. such as, is this a good idea? [01:12] im here, but odds are i cant help you [01:12] anyone friendly and think they can help resolve a problem for me? [01:13] i got a 42" lcd running through dvi-hdmi and when i view in 1080p its a little zoomed in [01:14] top/bottom/sides are in a fraction [01:14] this issue doesnt happen on windows. [01:14] something you guys know the solution too? [01:14] harmz, xubuntu would run on that computer, but there might be better options out there, i say if its an old computer try to install xubuntu and if that dosent work move on [01:15] what other options? [01:15] mabey another kernel [01:15] Running XP now. [01:15] xubunut would run i think, the processor is a bit slow but i think it would work [01:16] What about Netbook remix? [01:16] of Ubuntu [01:16] oh thats beyond my scope [01:16] sorry dude [01:17] phaete, have you toyed around with the setting on the LCD? [01:17] yeah a little [01:17] not much available there [01:18] i can zoom in [01:18] im max out in terms of zooming out [01:18] hummm. sounds like the aspect ratio is messed up [01:19] your outputing form a computer to the LCD? [01:20] yeah [01:20] at the moment im trying to install the ati binary [01:20] as i got ati card [01:20] might help i hope [01:20] yeah [01:21] so it take it the LCD is widescreen and there are black bars on either side, [01:21] is it cutting a bit off the top and the bottom as well? [01:22] any luck? [01:24] just rebooting now [01:24] ahh now its like zoomed in atm [01:24] i get full screen [01:24] in comes in on the side/top/bottom [01:24] so i cant see taskbars [01:24] ect [01:24] hummmm [01:24] hi [01:24] hopefully this reboot works :D [01:24] hi [01:24] hi [01:25] mad, it worked [01:25] cool [01:25] im a noob btw [01:25] lol [01:25] I just installed the xubuntu-desktop package, and am unable to make my dual screen setup work. [01:25] i only used ubuntu for 2weeks [01:25] have you install the driver support [01:26] It works in ubuntu. In xfce , i just see one screen availble for editing. thats my laptop screen [01:26] hey either of you wouldn't happen to know a good anti-virus software for Xubunut that can scan and fix windows PC do you [01:26] meatcar, have you opend the display panel? [01:27] Anon: such a thing exists? [01:27] i dont know, [01:27] yes, i have. i see only one screen availble to be selected. [01:27] i want something like that thoe, it would be nice to fix viruses without the risk of this computer catching it [01:28] google it. theres bound to be something. [01:28] ive been looking, i have this Avast stuff but im not really happy with it [01:29] :S i cant help you there. [01:29] :/ oh well [01:30] by the way, is it possible to add whole menu's as launchers? [01:31] i dont see why not but i have no idea how to, ive only been using linux for a week or so [01:32] it used to be an active feature in earlier releases of XFCE... but it got taken out... :( http://njlinux.blogspot.com/2008/01/virus-scan-windows-using-linux-live-cd.html [01:32] damit [01:33] ignore the knoppix part. seems like somethign you were looking for. [01:33] yeah [01:34] i have a ide/sata to usb converter, so i just wire up hard drives using that and scan them. [01:34] but that still might work [01:36] i odnt know about anti virus [01:36] eh oh well [01:36] put it in an external hdd [01:36] and scan [01:38] under the hardware drivers, is the second graphics card coming up? [01:39] eh dam i really have no idea [02:10] anyone know how to get nvidi ards workign right? [02:10] you install the drivers/ [02:10] have you? [02:11] yes [02:11] but the resolutions don't work [02:11] and now it won't even open the X display :@ [02:11] :o [02:11] im noob i wouldnt know sorry [02:12] no worries [02:32] how can I remove all png only files with rm command or is there any other command I can use to do this ? [02:32] I want to do it recursively [02:32] so all folders in this one directory [02:39] anyone having trouble w/xubuntu9.04 as a vbox client w/audio? [02:48] i am trying to make my dual-screen work in xubuntu 9.04, and am having trouble with xrandr. http://paste.linuxassist.net/214634 can anyone help? [02:49] rocko find . -name '*.doc' -print | xargs echo [02:50] replace *.doc with *.png, and echo with rm (after you are sure you have the right files listed) [02:50] cool thanks keb you are the best [02:51] cheers [02:51] keb, ever herd of an anti virus softwhere for linux that can scan a windows PC and fix it? [02:51] so what about if you wanted to do it to a certain directory ? keb [02:51] rocko start in that directory. the "." is the starting folder for find [02:52] Anon clamav does that i think [02:52] okay thanks keb [02:52] cool ty [02:52] Anon but make sure you have ntfs-3g [02:52] Anon just boot into safe mode and fix your problems in there [02:52] there are some windows tools i can recommended to use if you are interested [02:53] ok [02:53] that get rid of some nasties that most anti virus software does not remove [02:53] Anon offline scanning often can't fix registry issues, so yeah safe mode etc may be better [02:53] like vundo viruses [02:53] hehe [02:53] im not worried about registry fixes [02:53] i h8 them [02:53] i can do them [02:54] but identifying and deleating them would be nice [02:54] well you can use network stuff with safe mode you just have to select to use networking in safe mode [02:54] assuming it is winxp or newer [02:54] maybe win2000 [02:54] anyway its offtopic [02:54] would i need this NTFS 3G if i can wire up the windows hard drive using a usb port? [02:54] Anon http://vundofix.atribune.org/ [02:55] ok [02:55] Anon if you have a recent ubuntu it will probably mount the partition without extra effort [02:55] even on usb [02:55] just got 9.4 last night [02:56] Anon http://www.atribune.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=25&Itemid=25 [02:56] plug in the drive and type "mount" and see what it says [02:56] that has nothing to do with anti virus but it is a nice tool [02:56] all in one to get rid of junk files [02:56] ok [02:56] brb [02:57] im having some strange problems with my wireless card, i am connected but only at 1mbps and im getting a lot of packet loss if i ping yahoo,com for example, %16 loss first time 36% second time with frequest wifi disconnects. [02:59] MTec007, is this a sudden problem, or is it after you did some system changes(updates, etc.) [03:05] i never used my card on linux before [03:05] only windows [03:05] MTec007_, what card is it? model, etc [03:05] the wired works fine (even wired to router) [03:07] its a dell dont know the model though i can check if i can figure out how to 'eject' it form linux [03:07] lspci [03:08] MTec007_, are you on a wired connection? [03:08] to figure out what card it is [03:08] MTec007_, I'm feeling its a driver error. find the windows driver for your card, and use ndiswrapper to set it up. [03:08] i am right now, i cant use the internet on my wireless [03:09] plenty of tuttorials around. [03:10] 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03) but thats not what it actually is i guess just what the OS thinks it is? [03:10] thats what the card says it is [03:10] ok [03:11] MTec007_, are you using the b43legacy driver? [03:11] dell might have linux support for it though, check their site [03:11] doubtfully this card is from 2005ish [03:11] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx [03:11] I have a Dell TrueConnect using the b43legacy driver [03:12] J_Litewski, NULL(info.linux.driver) is what connection information says [03:12] I get that too [03:13] see i have already been to that site before i upgraded to 9.04 (didnt get it working) [03:14] i dont think i fully understand what the website is telling me to do or how to do it [03:15] that took a long time, lol === MTec007_ is now known as MTec007 [03:19] i dont think i got that b43-fwcutter to work that may be the problem i dont really know, i am new to linux and that just really isnt explained very well [03:19] try it [03:19] it is a 43xx card [03:20] like i said, i dont understand the instructions on the site, i couldnt get it to work [03:21] have you tried ndiswrapper? [03:21] just go into the Hardware Drivers in Applications/System and enable it from there [03:23] meatcar, no J_Litewski, broadcom b43 wireless driver is activated and in use [03:23] ah [03:24] MTec007 whats the first thing you didnt understand on the fwcutter site [03:24] i would have to find the site again i dont remember it [03:25] <[AfZ]TomServo1> if anyone's here, i'd like to know if i made a big mistake in upgrading to 9.04 [03:26] [AfZ]TomServo1, to answer your question, we need to know your situation [03:26] <[AfZ]TomServo1> actually, it's working fine for the most part [03:27] <[AfZ]TomServo1> but i'm getting no sound whatsoever [03:27] <[AfZ]TomServo1> seems like a common issue [03:27] are you using xubuntu or kubuntu or ubuntu [03:27] <[AfZ]TomServo1> xubuntu [03:28] i hate setting up sound. its always a pain [03:28] check all the possible sound options [03:28] trial and error always works. [03:28] :P [03:28] <[AfZ]TomServo1> i'm using a usb headset, apparently known as "C-Media" something or other cause that's the driver that worked for me in 8.10 [03:28] lspci? [03:28] <[AfZ]TomServo1> tried reloading alsa [03:28] <[AfZ]TomServo1> it's showing up in lsusb [03:28] that would be lsusb [03:29] whoops [03:30] <[AfZ]TomServo1> so the headset appears to be recognized and loaded in alsa [03:30] <[AfZ]TomServo1> just to make sure, can you tell me the proper cmd to list all sound devices in alsa? [03:31] MTec007, ndiswrapper howtos: http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Networking/NdisWrapper_The_Ultimate_Guide/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper [03:31] ooh yes if it is alsa, you might have to run alsamixer once and unmute stuff [03:31] <[AfZ]TomServo1> i looked in alsamixer already, but i'll double check [03:32] unmute the master and pcm bars, and set volume about 80% [03:32] gtg yall, read a book for english for tomorrow. good luck. [03:32] night [03:34] <[AfZ]TomServo1> there's an option in alsamixer called "pcm capt", do you know what it does [03:34] capture sound i think [03:34] from some other input [03:38] <[AfZ]TomServo1> where do i adjust the overall sound output? [03:38] <[AfZ]TomServo1> master sound, in other words [03:39] should be the first bar on the left, called master [03:39] or install the volume control on your taskbar [03:39] <[AfZ]TomServo1> well there's no master volume control option available for my headphones [03:40] hmm [03:40] do you have another sound card in the system? maybe that is confusing things [03:41] in the sound settings things, there is sometimes a place to choose which device is default [03:41] <[AfZ]TomServo1> yeah i have an onboard intel sound device [03:43] anyupdate yet? [03:43] <[AfZ]TomServo1> do you mean the "default sound card" thing [03:43] er..anyone update from 8.10? [03:43] sure [03:44] <[AfZ]TomServo1> i did...and now my sound doesn't work [03:44] dsmith_ i dist-upgraded from 8.10 [03:44] run smooth [03:44] ? [03:44] how do I get back files I accidently deleted with rm command ? [03:44] yep [03:44] uhoh [03:45] rocko: reinstall from backup [03:45] um [03:45] you ARE backing up aren't you>? [03:45] I don't have any backups [03:45] what filkes? [03:45] [AfZ]TomServo1 can you select one of the other devices in that list [03:45] rocko thats why i said use echo first ;) [03:45] <[AfZ]TomServo1> yeah i can [03:46] um no that is not what happened keb [03:46] I used a different thing someone suggest in another channel [03:46] :/ [03:46] <[AfZ]TomServo1> there's my intel onboard device, "Audio", and Pulseaudio [03:46] and it deleted my whole folder [03:46] oic [03:46] well pulsaudio isnt used by xubuntu [03:46] well the folder I was doing it on which was human [03:46] rocko sometimes deletions are in the Trash folder [03:47] nothing is in the trash [03:48] rocko if the files are really important, shutdown the computer asap and hook up the drive to another system and do data recover y stuff [03:48] rocko: what folder [03:48] thanks all i guess i will work on it more tommorow. for now i am off to bed. [03:48] night [03:48] * dsmith_ about to update 8.10 to 9.04 [03:48] hehe [03:49] dsmith_ make sure to read the release notes first ;) [03:49] anyone ever notice that you can shove a usb dongle into your ethernet port? [03:49] lol [03:49] keb, had issues? [03:49] yep done that :/ [03:49] not me, but i didnt have a intel chipset [03:50] [AfZ]TomServo1 any luck with Audio driver [03:50] *device [03:51] <[AfZ]TomServo1> no [03:52] <[AfZ]TomServo1> do you know how to disable hardware [03:52] <[AfZ]TomServo1> i guess the intel sound could be conflicting(although i doubt it) [03:52] onboard can be disabled from bios setup page [03:53] <[AfZ]TomServo1> i would do that, but i'm dual booting with windows [03:54] <[AfZ]TomServo1> and it was never a problem with 8.10 [04:02] * dsmith_ installes his updates [04:02] making ready [04:02] [AfZ]TomServo1 strangely the only sound control i could find on my system was in Services [04:04] <[AfZ]TomServo1> hmm alsa-utils is the only deactivated service in Services [04:04] mine was activated [04:08] <[AfZ]TomServo1> i'm gonna try reinstalling alsa [04:12] good luck [04:15] need to expand mr root partition [04:37] how can i make a bootable xubuntu flash drive? [04:40] hi, i followed this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FuseSmb but i still cannot access shares, i get permission denied message. [04:46] hi, i am having problems with fusesmb and xubuntu [04:46] each time i try to access a folder i get permission denied [04:50] <[AfZ]TomServo1> evilbug: i don't know how to make a bootable flash xubuntu flash drive, but i'm certain i found an explanation of the process on the ubuntu forums [04:51] i'm looking on google and i keep finding ways to do it on windows, i'm not in windows... [04:53] <[AfZ]TomServo1> and you don't have windows installed? [04:53] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick [04:53] <[AfZ]TomServo1> that's the one, keb [04:54] [AfZ]TomServo1- nope. [04:54] can't i just mount the iso on my desktop and copy the content onto the flash drive? [04:54] argh. [04:54] finally made it here. [04:54] welcome [04:55] how to enable numpad at system stard ? [04:55] I've been working all night on getting my resolution to work [04:55] start [04:55] And to be honest I'm stumped [04:55] There are only two resolution options that even have a refresh rate. [04:55] and even those don't work. [04:56] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7173501 [04:56] <[AfZ]TomServo1> evilbug: the bootloader has to be in the logical front of the drive to load like that i believe [04:57] <[AfZ]TomServo1> but seriously, i'm a linux noob, that's just a grasp at a straw [04:57] anyone have any helpful ideas? [04:58] because I'd like to be able to change my internet connection without using guess and check to find it. [04:59] [AfZ]TomServo1- :) [04:59] nobody wants to help? ): [05:00] <[AfZ]TomServo1> keb, please save the day [05:00] <[AfZ]TomServo1> i'd love to help you :/ [05:00] I'd love [05:00] to see all of my screen [05:00] http://i44.tinypic.com/2gvn0ba.jpg see the end of the firefox window? That's how far to the right my screen goes. Doing anything is a trial. [05:01] how do i find out what "system" i have? (i.e. linux-x86-64, alpha, etc..) [05:02] uname -a i think [05:02] ipressthebuttons have you looked thru your /var/log/Xorg.0.log for clues? [05:02] I have no idea what I'm doing. I installed xubuntu on a friend's recommendation. [05:03] xarcade_ did you try installing numlockx [05:03] I opened that log file... any clues I should look for? :/ [05:04] <[AfZ]TomServo1> ipressthebuttons: click the down arrow on the right side of the firefox app [05:04] it shouldnt be a very long file so have a look [05:04] it's long enough to make me want to not scroll through it [05:05] <[AfZ]TomServo1> unless you did that purposely... [05:05] I'm not worried about firefox [05:05] keb, i am now [05:06] I really don't know what I'm looking for here. [05:06] ipressthebuttons about 4 pages into it, you will see what video card it detected and resolutions it supports, as well as what it thinks your monitor supports [05:07] <[AfZ]TomServo1> gotta go, thanks for the help keb...i'll have to post something to the forums later [05:07] before 9.04 there used to be a way to override defaults by manually editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf . not sure if that still works [05:07] I ytirf yo rfiy iy [05:07] wow that was nasty [05:07] I tried to edit it. [05:07] but it didn't let me. [05:07] lol [05:07] sigh [05:08] you have to use sudo to edit a file [05:08] in /etc [05:08] I did [05:08] it didn't find the file. [05:08] sudo /etc/x11/xorg.conf [05:09] sudo mousepad /etc/x11/xorg.conf [05:09] capital X11 [05:09] lame. [05:09] any idea what I could do to fix it? [05:09] only windows and vms are case insensitive [05:10] I can edit it... but what can I put? [05:10] good question [05:10] it is [05:10] I've been looking for an answer all night [05:11] are you able to get to the System -> Hardware app? [05:11] maybe there is a proprietary driver that will work better for you [05:12] Hardware drivers? [05:12] yes [05:12] There are no drivers found [05:12] ok [05:12] just my wireless internet driver, that's the only thing. [05:12] http://www.theatons.com/how-to-setup-dell-e228wfp-on-ubuntu-704 I found this, but I don't know if this will help at all [05:14] keb, can you help me setting up fusesmb properly ? [05:14] xarcade_ sorry i dont use that so i dunno [05:15] should I give that site a try? [05:15] ipressthebuttons did you get the same list of useless refresh rates in Settings --> Xfce settings manager --> Display ? [05:15] keb, how can you access samba server from another pc running linux without using fusesmb ? [05:17] yes [05:17] yes I did. [05:19] ipressthebuttons yes that website looks good, but only change the stuff in xorg.conf related to Monitor, Modes and Screen [05:20] and keep backups [05:22] I backed up the original config... [05:23] do you ahve the exact same monitor as that fellow [05:24] I do not believe I do. [05:25] hmm then the modeline will not work, and could blow up your hardware [05:25] blow UP? [05:25] well it might overload something [05:25] >_> [05:25] I 'll just shut the computer off and keep it that way then [05:26] best to have a look at that log file, see what modes are supported [05:26] when you arent tired and stuff [05:26] xorg.0.log you mean? [05:26] /var/log/Xorg.0.log [05:27] http://h1.ripway.com/ipressthebuttons/Xorg.0.log [05:28] that's the file D: [05:33] did the monitor come with a manual [05:33] it's a laptop. [05:33] lol. [05:33] I don't know where the manual is. [05:35] how to install a public key in the system to install a software ?? [05:36] trying to install webmin [05:37] http://www.webmin.com/jcameron-key.asc [05:41] argh [05:41] I'm going to try it... [05:41] ipressthebuttons did you try all this stuff https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenChrome [05:41] openchrome? [05:41] yes thats what you have [05:42] confusing [05:42] what is this page telling me to do [05:42] xarcade_ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=299708 [05:42] how do you activate the universe and multiverse repositories again [05:42] i found it solution here -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7141244 [05:43] ipressthebuttons in System -> Software Sources [05:43] keb: thanks [05:43] and then [05:44] is there anything I should put in third-party software [05:44] hmm. no perhaps better to try this first: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg [05:44] and choose openchrome [05:45] I don't know if I typed that right [05:45] when I did that, it just made a copy of xorg.conf [05:46] it didnt ask you about anything? [05:46] nope. [05:46] is that bad? [05:46] is there a program that will tell me what codec i need to play a video? [05:46] ipressthebuttons maybe not [05:46] R1cochet mplayer [05:47] xubuntu is functioning, and I have internet... I just want to be able to see my entire screen :/ [05:47] if I can't fix my resolution, is there maybe a way to scroll on the screen? [05:47] oh so its just the virtual screen you want to change? [05:48] was using that to play a video and it says: could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound [05:49] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=209474 should I try this? [05:50] ipressthebuttons yeah try adding a Virtual section to your xorg.conf which has a resolution that matches the real one [05:51] *Virtual line [05:51] should I just copy paste what that guy posted except put my screen's resolution? [05:51] not the whole thing, just add a Virtual line to your Subsection Display [05:52] the entire config is empty [05:52] oic [05:53] not empty [05:53] but [05:53] Section "Monitor" [05:53] Identifier "Configured Monitor" [05:53] stuff like that... [05:53] is there a Section Screen [05:54] yes [05:54] I put the subsection under that [05:54] should I save and restart and see if my computer doesn't blow up? [05:54] sure [05:54] is that a yes? [05:54] D: [05:54] it wont blow up, but dont use the highest resolutions there [05:54] unless you know your monitor can do that [05:54] aight. [05:55] well 1280x1024 is not unusual for a new laptop [05:55] 1024 768 is mine apparently [05:55] you could even leave out the modes line at first [05:55] I'm going to take my chances. [05:55] if I don't come back [05:55] I gave up and went to sleep. [05:55] >_> [05:55] ok good luck, me too [05:56] R1cochet thats not a codec issue, thats a driver issue [05:58] thank you [05:59] woo. [05:59] It worked [05:59] I can see my entire screen [05:59] yay [06:01] i have a problem with a video file [06:01] cant get it to play in totem at all [06:01] alright [06:01] thank you for the help. [06:01] It took a lot of effort but it worked :] [06:09] i was able to get the audio to play in mplayer but the video wont play at all in totem [06:10] i would like to be able to play the video in totem over mplayer [06:37] i'm trying to compile the notification-daemon-xfce, and i'm getting permission denied errors [06:50] i have a problem with my ps/2 mouse, when i boot up ubuntu the mouse seems to be dead every time i have to disconnect and reconnect the mouse while the system is running and eventually the system detects the mouse and i can use it, can someone please help me fix this problem ? [07:42] <_Pete_> does someone here use conky? Just started to use it yesterday and would like to get some cool .conkyrc to test [07:42] <_Pete_> ideally one that mimics gkrellm :) [07:45] hi [07:46] i upgrade to 9.04 and i lost the volume control, anyone knows where it is? [07:47] you may have to re add it to the panel [07:47] right click on panel . add item [07:48] i added the "mixer" but its not the usual volume control [07:49] i cant get direct control to the usual fadder [07:49] how can i update intltool? i get error when trying to complile totem [07:49] Your intltool is too old. You need intltool 0.40.0 or later. [07:50] nevermind [07:52] configure: error: gnome-doc-utils >= 0.3.2 not found [07:52] synaptic says 0.13.1 [07:52] how can i update this? [07:53] salutations [07:53] need to re-enable old keyboard shortcuts for resizing/moving windows in xfwm4 [07:54] seem to have been removed in upgrade to jaunty [09:59] /usr/share/applications/evince.desktop is not showing in my menu. The file validates, is there any way I can track down why it's not showing? [10:00] avuton: open it with a text editor [10:00] NoDisplay=true [10:00] there's this inside it [10:01] Yeah, it sure does. Wonder why that would be in it [10:01] "cp /usr/share/applications/evince.desktop ~/.local/share/applications/ && mousepad ~/.local/share/applications/evince.desktop" avuton [10:01] Thanks :/ [10:01] Its because by default its not meant to be shown in menus :) [10:01] Copy the file to your home and put this line to false [10:01] and it should be in the menu then [10:01] Thanks again [10:01] You're welcome [10:42] Does xubuntu 9.04 have support for the eee, acer aspire etc netbooks that ubuntu netbook remix has, i.e are drivers for wifi and camera included? [10:44] It can run on netbooks for sure [10:44] but we may not have as many drivers on the liveCD [10:45] (at worse you can install UNR and then install xubuntu-desktop and remove ubuntu-desktop, but you'll have a lot of GNOME unneeded stuff) [10:49] all right thanx, im pretty happy with gnome but the performance on a netbook isnt exactly great and thats why im looking into xubuntu. [11:05] !info xfce4-mcs-manager [11:05] Package xfce4-mcs-manager does not exist in jaunty [11:05] any other name is it in ? [11:06] anyone ? [11:07] it's a replacement for gnome-settings-daemon .... right ? [11:09] yo yo yo [11:10] i think its xfconf now [11:11] ah okies [11:11] bash: xfconf: command not found [11:12] you're under intrepid ? [11:12] jaunty [11:12] mcs-manager was in intrepid [11:12] but not in jaunty anymore [11:12] xfce4-settings-manager [11:12] :( [11:13] SiDi: i am talkin about the daemon file that we put in autostart.sh [11:14] no idea :D [12:42] hi i'm using 9.04 right now and after he update from 8.10 something really strange happened. i now have 2 firefox installations if i start it with alt+f2 my old installation starts with all the addons and if i launch it with gnome-do a new clean installation starts,... is there any way to remove the second one? [12:45] apart from that, the xfce dekstop compositor worked well before the update and now i have to disable it because everything slows down when i enable it (intel gma 945) [12:48] kora-chan: you could uninstall all firefoxes and then reinstall one, your profile is held in ~ so will be untouched [12:51] ActionParsnip1: i did already do a apt-get remove firefox, but i didnt change anything. both installations were still there, maybe i should manually remove all the packages in synaptic [12:51] kora-chan: try this [12:52] kora-chan: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get --purge remove firefox*; sudo apt-get --purge autoremove; sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get installfirefox [12:52] oops [12:52] last command i missed a space [12:52] ActionParsnip1: k thanks a lot ill try it [12:53] kora-chan: the --purge removes all residual configs that arent in your ~ dir [12:53] ActionParsnip1: that might be a good idea [13:00] ActionParsnip1: the purge line returned that there were noch matches for firefox* but i still can start the new, clean installation from the gnome do [13:01] i removed all the firefox packages i found with synaptic before [13:01] kora-chan: ok then also make sure they are purged: [13:01] dpkg -l | grep firef [13:01] if yuo see package names that start with 'rc' then you will need to run: sudo dpkg -P [13:02] there was a rc firefox-3.0 [13:02] i ran the command on it [13:03] you still had config files (but not the install) of firefox [13:03] ok recheck its all gone then install firefox [13:03] well i still can start firefox via gnome do,..... [13:03] thats strange [13:04] sudo apt-get install firefox should be all it takes, maybe its a weirdness in gnome-do [13:05] root ~ # ls -l /usr/bin | grep firefox* [13:05] zsh: no matches found: firefox* [13:05] kk ill do the reinstall [13:07] kora-chan: are you logged on as root? [13:07] no i only have a root shell open for the apt stuff [13:07] ok thats ok [13:08] i dont run the firefox as root, but on my normal user [13:08] kora-chan: whats the output of which firefox [13:09] ActionParsnip1: i just reinstalled firefox and were back to where we began. gnome do opens a clean instance, while alt+f2 opens my configured ff [13:09] root ~ # which firefox [13:09] /usr/bin/firefox [13:10] could i t be that the jaunty update installed an extra instance of firefox since maybe the firefox package i had before was from a launchpad repo? [13:10] kora-chan: gnome-do must be using something different [13:10] kora-chan: i'm not conversant with the app as I lanch everything from tilda / yakuake [13:11] kora-chan: log a bug [13:12] ActionParsnip1: k, maybe ill find out which bin gnome do executes, but thanks for all your help; btw is tilda / yakuake a fast launcher, since im not really bound to gnome-do? [13:14] its a quake style konsole / terminal that hides in the top of yur screen til you bring it down with a hotkey [13:15] so you can run all your file manipulation stuff and launch apps n the background all in the same box [13:16] kora-chan: its exactly like using terminal. i launch stuff from there, as well as performing my day to day stuff [13:18] ActionParsnip1: ah alright, maybe ill give it a shot; since i do most of my stuff in terminals too; thanks again for the infos [13:18] horses for courses [13:50] how can i change the color of the panels [13:50] ?? [13:53] fuck [13:53] sorry wrong window [13:53] :D [13:53] the f word wasnt for this window :) sowwy [14:07] ANY ONE HERE [14:07] Dillizar: yes [14:07] knome are ya here man [14:08] yeah [14:08] TheSheep how can i change the color ov the pannels [14:08] Dillizar: by editing your theme, or adding it to your .gtkrc-2.0 [14:08] damn [14:08] can someone point me to a good how-to for setting up dual monitors in xubuntu? [14:09] you sure have a foul mouth [14:09] :) [14:09] !xinerama | vidd [14:09] vidd: xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead [14:09] how can i edit my theme [14:10] Dillizar: try adding it to your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 file: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/114952 [14:10] Dillizar: then switch your gtk theme and switch back [14:10] so i need to know the code of the color i want [14:10] ? [14:11] yes, you can get it with gimp [14:11] kewl :) [14:11] what is bg and what fg [14:11] bg =back ground [14:11] fg = fore ground [14:12] Dillizar: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials/GtkThemes [14:12] TheSheep, that info on xinerama seems dated....xorg doesnt use .conf anymore =\ [14:13] vidd: it does [14:13] vidd: it just doesn't require it [14:13] ic [14:23] TheSheep, according to Bug #353575 xubuntu 9.04 uses xrandr and not xinerama for dual monitors [14:24] and xrandr sees both my screens [14:24] Xfce 4.6 does indeed use xrandr [14:24] doesn't work with my nvidia [14:25] doesnt the nvidia-provided drivers and software take care of that for you TheSheep ? [14:25] (but my issue is a different card set) [14:26] my issue is that both screens are up, but are clones [14:26] vidd: I settled for two X screens in the end [14:26] vidd: yeah, that's how xrandr works [14:27] I'm pretty sure you can get an extended desktop [14:27] I have in the past [14:28] but usually smaller than the two screens combined [14:28] because it uses card's internal memory only [14:29] and most crads don't have enough for 2 screens [14:33] can i put gnome apps on the panel?? [14:34] Dillizar, yes... [14:34] right click and add "launcher" [14:34] then configure the launcher for the desired app [14:35] vidd not like that [14:36] like weather panel app [14:36] you mean gnome panel apps? [14:36] yes [14:36] if the panel app is installed, then it should be selectable [14:37] damn i must change the theme on my xubntu cuz i saw today at work a BIG RAT not a mouse but a rat and i dont want to see the lil mouse there :) [14:39] brb [14:58] arg! what happened to ++????? [14:58] brb === Guest82489 is now known as forces [15:32] is there a trick to get Gigolo working? [15:32] or am i missing something? [16:06] hello [16:07] just upgraded 8.10 to 9.04 on another laptop [16:07] the problem is that the nm-applet is not working [16:08] and hal and dbus aren't starting at startup [16:08] so i am not able to connect to wireless [16:14] no ideas or any known bugs? [16:14] hannes_eee: did you reboot? [16:14] yes [16:14] several times [16:14] did you try sudo apt-get update/upgrade? [16:15] yes and now i'm dpkg -i *.deb in /var/cache/packages [16:15] so i'll see what happens [16:16] hannes_eee: does ifconfig show eth0 and wlan0? [16:16] yes [16:16] does wired connection work? [16:17] no possibility [16:17] ? [16:17] atm [16:17] the router is quite a bit away [16:18] hannes_eee: i'd first see if wired connection works to get that out of the equation [16:20] hello charlie-tca [16:21] Hello, ball [16:22] how is it? [16:22] !hello | charlie-tca [16:22] charlie-tca: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! [16:22] :) [16:22] how is what? [16:23] that bot command :) [16:23] the bot command // hopefully correct answer [16:24] Oh, I see [16:24] ok the dpkg -i did the trick after a reboot it works [16:25] thanks anyway [16:25] same as !hi, right [16:25] !hi [16:25] Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! [16:26] ehm... that bot.. is he reading itself? 0:-) [16:26] * Marcurus thinks about !hi | !hi [16:26] No, anything prefaced with ! is a bot command [16:26] You don't need a nick for the 'bot to respond [16:27] yeah, but this way, shouldt it cycle the bot indefinitely? [16:27] A simple !hi or !hello should get a respond [16:27] I told it to say hi using !hi [16:28] If it is cycling on your computer, something is wrong with the client you are using [16:28] if I say !hi | !hi, he will say !hi: Hi! Welcome... which may trigger another round [16:29] !hi | !hi [16:29] !hi: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! [16:29] :( [16:29] I forgot the ':' [16:29] I though it will read his own sentence and trigger itself again [16:30] ah, never mind :D [16:30] I am just stupid probably, not even pipe there :D [16:31] !ubottu [16:31] Hi! I'm #xubuntu's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [16:31] charlie-tca, whats the latest with Xfce 4.6.1 in Jaunty? [16:31] It is not in jaunty yet [16:31] ok, when will it go to the updates? [16:31] It will go after it gets packaged for us. [16:32] Don't have dates yet [16:32] ok [16:32] thanks [16:35] heh not near as much commotion here as in ubuntu channel [16:35] Hello Kerio [16:36] hello [16:36] Hi [16:36] I need help [16:36] with what? [16:37] I want to install xubuntu from my flash memory how do i do it ? [16:37] it's almost like you can hear the typing :) [16:38] How do i do it Kerio ?? [16:38] http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ [16:38] haven't tried it myself [16:39] ok. [16:39] Thanks for helping me Kerio [16:40] Bye Kerio [16:57] anybody with experience on installing vdr with xineliboutput? [16:58] I have xubuntu 8.10 with vdr packages from http://www.hanno.de/ [16:58] and can't get it running, xine window opens, but closes immediately, and vdr quits [17:30] hi [17:30] i need ur help [17:33] skull: A description of the problem you are having first would be useful [17:34] how can i config dialup connection [17:38] skull: from command line: sudo pppconfig and then enter the relevant info. After that you should be able to click on the network icon and tell it to dial out, etc [17:39] Please note in pppconfig your mouse is useless, use the Tab key to change fields, Enter to select, etc [17:43] thanx i try [17:59] I want to create a bootable Live USB drives for install Xubuntu and I have this webpage: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/. I think is difficult. Is there another way to do it more easy ? [17:59] Thanks for help [18:00] Who can help me ??? [18:00] http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/ubuntu-from-your-flash-drive-easier-than-ever-before/ [18:01] Might help. It is written by an Xubuntu user [18:01] * Pres-Gas gets his rss action on for that weblog... [18:02] ok [18:02] Thanks for helping me Charlie [18:02] Bye Charlie [18:03] He tries to do the flash drive for every release, so it is tested in jaunty [18:03] yp [18:03] You are welcome [18:16] charlie-tca: I downloaded the notification-daemon-xfce and tried to compile it, and i get permission denied. I tried running it as root and still the same problem [18:17] J_Litewski: I don't know anything about it [18:17] ah [18:17] Why are you compiling it instead of installing it from Synaptic Package Manager? [18:17] it's not in the package manager [18:18] i checked already [18:18] You might check in #xfce then, to see what is missing [18:18] ok [18:21] J_Litewski maybe you need to turn oc the X and try to install it like that [18:21] off* [18:22] ? [18:27] J_Litewski: Maybe you need xfce4-notifyd with it? [18:27] charle-tca, i got that [18:30] hello.. attempting to follow the directions at ttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=789578 and wound up with http://paste.ubuntu.com/160830/ when trying to run pulseaudio from a terminal. any ideas? [18:36] PulseAudio is not used in Xubuntu, you should ask in Ubuntu [18:37] sorry, #ubuntu [18:39] If pulse audio isn't used, what is? I dont get any sound on my laptop [18:39] and was thinking of going throught that ubuntu checklist to see if it fixed things [18:46] I have a silly question [18:46] Why programs use so much RAM? [18:46] Xfce and panels and plugins in particular. I am on 64bit [18:47] xfce4-menu-plugin uses 97.7MB and climing [18:48] accab: Xubuntu uses alsa audio [18:48] i use hardy [18:49] @charlie-tca thanks [18:49] Do you have the speaker icon on the panel? [18:49] I will work my way through the checklist there, ther [18:49] no I don't [18:49] come to think of it [18:49] xfrun4 for instance, use 6.4MB of RAM. Just sitting and waiting for Alt+F2, right? [18:50] right click the panel, click add to panel, add the volume control [18:50] that would be alsa-mixer or something like that? [18:50] how would I upgrade the XFCE package to 4.6.1? [18:50] charlie-tca, or he can use drag and drop if adding does not work [18:50] Then left-click twice to open properties and make sure master and pcm are unmuted [18:51] nikolam: I don't know much about ram usage. [18:51] yup [18:51] done that [18:51] now see if you have sound [18:51] let me find a test wav [18:52] in /usr/share/sounds/purple/ [18:52] also about cpu usage, gnome-system-monitor uses 39% of cpu time [18:53] system monitor always steals a lot of cpu, then settles down if you don't do anything [18:53] shouldn`t it use ,like 0% or something [18:53] whats the default text editor in xubutu (gui) [18:54] Only if nothing else is happening. Just a mouse movement will make it go way up [18:54] mousepad [18:54] It shows itself on more then 40% all the time now. And nothing but Xorg is using much cpu [18:54] gartral1: mousepad [18:55] ok, and gksu mousepad will work to edit a system file, right? [18:55] nikolam: I found it got so bad I could not keep it on all the time. It steals too much cpu [18:55] gartral1: right [18:55] Hi Charlie [18:55] I have a question for u [18:55] Also I suffer very bad multitaskin issues, whenever disk is heavily used, everything freezes. Especially when update or package install is being done. [18:56] go ahead, Carlis [18:56] ok [18:56] charlie-tca, maybe I should file a bug on gnome-system-monitor, for being a cpu pig. [18:56] Is possible to install usb-creator in windows ¿ [18:57] ? [18:57] I don't know, Carlis [18:57] I never use it. [18:57] carlis you need unetbootin [18:57] I would think you would need one written for windows [18:57] what is usb-creator? [18:58] It`s diffiicult oto use unetbooting [18:58] Carlis, usb-creator is available in live cd [18:58] Used to create a live cd on a thumbdrive [18:58] I made usb bootable xubuntu drive out of xubuntu desktop, very easily , usin unetbootin ! [18:59] but that don't really work from windows, does it? [18:59] what it have to do with windows? [18:59] I think the cpu usage bug is reported already [19:00] Is possible to install usb-creator in windows ¿ [19:00] charlie-tca, thanks [19:00] That was the question. [19:01] one can use virtualbox [19:01] virtualbox ??? [19:02] why you need windows? [19:02] because In windows I have the zubuntu iso file [19:03] well buy one cdrw media and boot computer to xubuntu desktop from cd [19:03] then make your usb. [19:04] is not possible to create in usb ??? [19:05] you can [19:05] !install usb [19:05] Sorry, I don't know anything about install usb [19:05] there is on the wiki a guide that tells you how to do manually [19:05] basically, open your ISO with something like daemon tools [19:05] copy all the files to the USB key freshly formated to FAT16 [19:05] yes it is man, boou xubuntu from cd and make it. there is also one more program, just a second to find it.. [19:06] and then you'll have to rename a few files (thats the part i cant remember) [19:06] nikolam: the point of making an usb bootable key from windows is avoiding having to make a cdrom :) [19:07] Carlis: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick [19:07] Check at the middle-end, manual methods [19:07] http://www.pendrivelinux.com/ [19:07] i used to use gui for that from iso to usb. Just to find the name of it [19:08] This is onteresting Carlis http://www.pendrivelinux.com/usb-xubuntu-904-persistent-install-windows/ [19:10] Ok [19:10] Thank You very much for helping me alot [19:10] Carlis, Why don`t you just use http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ for windows? [19:10] charlie-tca -- I found the sound files. I click them. they play, but no sound comes out :-( [19:11] is there some kind of checklist I can try? [19:11] accab, turn your speakers on or plug headphones to right hole [19:11] because Unetbooting is difficult [19:12] Carlis, You can make any kind of bootable usb with it.. [19:12] Carlis, why difficult?? [19:12] just point it to your .iso you have [19:13] check your .iso with md5 program to see if it downloaded right [19:13] Carlis, it is easiest program in the universe to make bootable usb... [19:14] Carlis, I don`t understand you. [19:14] ah. fixed it, I think. this is a laptop, so the speakers are always on. But there was a checkbox for "headphone jack sense" and if that was ticked, there was no sound [19:14] thanks [19:15] next question: where is the desktop menu file stored? [19:15] Carlis, you have nice gui app to make bootable usb from .iso you have. Case closed. [19:15] It has grown hugely bloated since I upgraded to 9.04, and I can't find the graphical menu editor that used to be there [19:16] gui app where is it ? [19:18] ok. Nikolam Thanks for helping me [19:18] Carlis http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ [19:18] ok [19:18] accab: glad yuou got sound fixed. [19:19] menu files are in /usr/share/applications [19:19] If you are planning on modifying them, [19:19] copy '/etc/xdg/menus/xfce-applications.menu to '~/.config/xdg/menus' and customize it. [19:19] Thanks for helping me Nikolam [19:19] Bye [19:19] accab: You can also create desktop entries in '~/.local/share/applications' to override the existing applications (change or hide) or add new ones. [19:20] even more help available at http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu [19:20] Hmm, how would I get xfce4-mcs-manager intalled in Jaunty? [19:20] charlie-tca: thanks. That's masses of help - a long evening's fiddling lies ahead [19:20] There is no menu editor in xfce 4.6 yet, so you have to do it manually [19:21] todkon: you don't [19:21] it is not used in 9.04 [19:21] ah, is it obsolete? [19:21] I have scite, which edits xml files as well as anything else [19:21] yes [19:21] what's used to boot up all the ggtk stuff? [19:21] Boy, it sho would help if I remembered that reformatting a partition during an install will generate a new uuid for it. [19:21] accab: that should work [19:21] can't remember, todkon [19:22] Pres-Gas: +1 [19:22] ah [19:23] * charlie-tca puts memory under "brain-dead" today [19:24] charlie-tca, needed to test Fedora 10 for something...did not let it install Grub and edited the /boot/grub/menu.lst to manually add it...all of that was well. Then saw that fsck could not resolve a uuid. Should check /etc/fstab too. [19:24] hi, anyone knows if it's possible to have Thunar use the EXIF of image files to present thumbnail in the right orientation? [19:36] hezy, you can get thunar source with apt-get source thunar. Check it out and make it use :) [19:38] nikolam: yes, but as far as I know thumbnails in thunar are handled by plugins. [19:38] so the question is, what plugin does it [19:38] #debian-xfce ? [19:40] hezy, thunar-thumbnailers ? [19:41] nikolam: I'm using xubuntu. [19:41] me also [19:41] I think it's the same in debian [19:43] anyway, I'm not sure if there is an easy way to do it' or is it a feature I should ask for [19:51] hezy: ask JPohlmann if he's around [19:51] he's working on thunar at the moment, so he might know how its / if its managed [20:04] SiDi: where can I find JPohlmann ? [20:07] He's here, just wait and i'm sure he'll answer when he got a minute [20:07] thanks SiDi [20:15] JPohlmann: is there a way to make Thunar use the EXIF of image files in order to present thumbnails in the right orientation? [20:16] hmm, how do we check real CPU speed ? [20:16] I overclocked my machine a bit, but everythin still displays original cpu speed.. [20:18] maybe because /proc/cpuinfo reads data from cpu directly and does not display real current cpu speed [20:19] run some process that stresses the cpu like PI calculators when system is not over-clocked and after it is overclocked [20:20] on the hardware side, I think that overclocking is done. On some other OS, it displays changed cpu speed corectly. Also I set performance in emifreq [20:21] zoredache, you think it actually works on stock speed, even if it is set to overclock in motherboard settings? [20:22] I compile something right now, I think it is enough [20:27] oh my god even sound is twitching when disk activity is high... [22:19] Is there a volume control that doesn't suck for jaunty? I click on it and it opens a window rather than just having a slider. [22:20] more or less the principle of a sound mixer [22:20] offering more than one channel [22:20] feel free to use gnome's one via an xfapplet tho [22:20] No i'm saying most users are used to just clicking and getting a slider but right or double clicking to get a mixer. [22:21] Anyhoot if I do pull up the mixer I only get one channel anyways. [22:21] you are used to :) [22:21] i personally prefer having a window that i can close easily instead of a slider taking focus and having to click back on the icon to close it, as under gnome [22:25] where would I go if i find spelling mistakes in the Help Documentation? [22:25] do i have to create a patch, or just fix the mistakes and upload them? [22:25] J_Litewski, to hell ? [22:25] ;) [22:25] ;) [22:25] j/k . do not know of where to report bugs in the docs [22:26] J_Litewski: launchpad.net [22:26] translations of xubuntu-docs [22:26] ah, ok [22:26] ;) [22:26] SiDi: yeah they could have it disapear after a certain amount of time. [22:26] might as well help xubuntu by spell checking lol [22:26] i found one problem already [22:27] one would think that the docs were spell checked. funny . [22:27] well, it was more of a copy and pasteerror [22:27] * paste error [22:27] damn space key [22:28] damned* [22:28] lol [22:29] J_Litewski, I am beginning to suspect that you are not the right one for the job :P [22:29] heh [22:30] i use to be a spelling bee champ before my memory started going [22:30] reminding me off the phrase " Get off the girl and give me a try" [22:30] J_Litewski, that is horrible. how old are you ? [22:30] 21 [22:30] err... 20 [22:30] almost 21 [22:30] started going huh ? [22:31] cant remember your age? :D [22:31] it's part of the drugs my parents put me on [22:31] 21 and your memory is going ??? how much junk food are you consuming ? [22:31] stupid zoloft and ritalin [22:31] ew [22:31] yea [22:31] first gen stuff [22:32] ritalin has some bizarre effects if you snort it ( I have, ahem, heard) [22:32] destroyed my short term memory [22:32] brb dishes [22:32] wow. at 21 and your memory is going [22:32] J_Litewski: report the help bugs in launchpad [22:33] night people [22:33] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs [22:33] for them [22:34] i made a xubuntu 9.04 install flash drive via unetbootin to install on an eee and i can't get past the cdrom install part. [22:35] http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/ubuntu-from-your-flash-drive-easier-than-ever-before/ [22:38] charlie-tca: the flash drive came out fine though. [22:39] But it isn't installing? [22:39] What is not working? [22:41] charlie-tca: so the only option from the unetbootin menu i can boot with is Default. i get through language and keyboard layout but then it gets to the cdrom drive part, asking to install drivers from it. [22:42] If you are installing from USB, you should not need cdrom drivers [22:42] that's what the menu is telling me. [22:42] it asks me for a cdrom drive. [22:42] i'm going to try creating the flash boot again using usb-creator now. [22:43] I would look at that blog post, personally [22:43] can somebody help me with awn? [22:44] !awn [22:44] Avant Window Navigator is a dock-like navigation bar for the Linux desktop that positions itself at the bottom of the screen. Homepage http://wiki.awn-project.org/ Awn-Manager can be found the Gutsy !backports repository and in Universe in Hardy [22:44] I meant a problem. [22:44] you can always ask [22:45] currently I am getting an error that it python can't import awn. I checked to make sure that it wasn't running from /usr/local/bin but I still can't import the module [22:45] we might not know the answer, though, as this is not the awn support channel [22:45] for the record as well, the python bindings are installed (dependency). [22:47] You might want to try #awn [22:48] hezy: I think Thunar is supposed to do that already. [22:49] JPohlmann, *you* *think*? :P [22:49] when did OOo become the standard office suite for Xubuntu? [22:50] JPohlmann: I'm using Thunar 1.0.0 in the new xubuntu 9.04, and it does not seem to do it [22:50] because it wasn't installed when I installed Xubuntu last year [22:51] J_Litewski, and is there even a "standard office suite" for xubuntu anyway ? [22:51] J_Litewski: It isn't. [22:52] ah [22:52] Xubuntu installs Gnumeric and Abiword [22:52] then the docs lie [22:52] and that's it [22:52] Turn in a bug report on it to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs [22:53] J_Litewski spellchecks the docs and then he takes them to court gotta love it [22:53] ok, I will once i'm done [22:53] lol [22:53] JPohlmann: I use GPicView to turn photos 90 deg (landscape to portrait) and all the other programs show the thumbnail as portrait. Thunar does not [22:54] every little bit helps [22:54] I think you are focussing too much on docs. have anything better to do there ? like mahjongg or pron ? [22:54] lol [22:54] i'm just trying to make sure that the info is correct [22:54] Docs are pretty important! That is what the new user gets his impressions from [22:54] hezy: Well, hm, file a bug then. I'm currently working on Thunar but that thing will have to wait for a while. [22:55] But it would still be useful to know about that bug to fix it later. [22:55] since i'm not good enough to code (yet), this is making me feel good [22:55] charlie-tca, very true. just joking though. [22:55] I like mahjongg [22:55] JPohlmann: thanks. And btw, thanks for the great work you are doing :) [22:56] You're welcome! [22:56] J_Litewski, just joking . ppl do appreciate good docs . and charlie-tca I do also every once in awhile. is one of the only games I play [22:56] charlie-tca, quick question. how would i change my DNS settings for my wired connection if the button is grayed out? [22:57] Try GNU Backgammon. It is really good, too [22:59] to change DNS you might have to authorize the program with your sudo password. [23:00] i can do it with my wireless connection without the sudo password [23:01] it complains about my keyring though [23:02] charlie-tca, I have backgammon somewhere ( bsdgames) but I cannot start from terminal for some reason ( cannot recall proper name ) [23:03] That's why I use gnubackgammon. It shows up in the menu! [23:03] It is world-class play, too [23:03] oh. you use menus [23:03] heh [23:04] ;) [23:04] I fought with backgammon in the terminal, never did get any of them to work for me [23:04] charlie-tca: now it works fine, thanks. [23:04] okay . and it is so not under games menu or anywhere else I can see in xubuntu [23:05] char [23:05] You have to install it [23:05] charlie-tca, unless you are running xubuntu with gnome [23:05] It is not a default game [23:05] oh. I see. [23:06] called gnubg [23:07] oh. " couldn't find package gnubackgammon" [23:07] Yeah, I had to go look, myself [23:08] it suggested kbackgammon before installing gnubg [23:08] I have xgammon installed, and gnubg [23:08] I don't use kubuntu, so I don't install kbackgammon [23:09] oh. I am not a fan of anything KDE [23:09] charlie-tca, got it . looks very cool. thanks for the tip :) [23:09] welcome. Enjoy it [23:10] Took me a while to learn how to use it. It really is good [23:11] one question though. is there a way to move pieces via keyboard instead of using the mouse ? [23:11] Yes, click new, it shows the keyboard keys [23:12] hezy: Thanks for the report [23:12] cool [23:13] I think help goes through them, too [23:14] JPohlmann: sure. sorry that I can't help much more than that... [23:15] It's ok. I'll not be able to do anything about it right now but as soon as I can I'll try to reproduce it. [23:15] hezy: Can you maybe attach an example image, maybe before and after rotating it with GPicView? [23:16] JPohlmann: sure, no problem. [23:16] Thanks [23:19] it's fun breaking the help documents [23:21] it's also fun fixing them too [23:21] :-) [23:21] J_Litewski, you mentioned that you do not code yet. if you want to learn I would suggest playing around with Python as a start [23:22] the 'how to restore a deleted file' info box was wrong [23:22] i was looking into python artistxe, it looks fun [23:23] oh . it is. and very easy to learn with so many resources available for getting started [23:23] i'm thinking about installing the python hooks for the xfce4 desktop and panel and making little test things [23:23] sure. why not [23:23] since i'm still having problems with making my own notification box [23:24] i can do it using a loophole in the API, but not using the libnotify/notify.h way [23:24] J_Litewski, to get used to the idea of basic parameters , do you have conky installed ? [23:24] not sure [23:25] i'll check [23:25] then you do not [23:25] my xubuntu doesnt want to boot [23:25] anyway. it is basic scripting . you can start with that [23:26] demon_, ppl have been having that problem. sorry to hear you are one of them. is it a laptop ? [23:26] ok, ty artistxe [23:26] yes [23:26] demon_, any other os installed besides xubuntu ? [23:26] nope [23:27] just download the alternative version cuz i have only 128 ram [23:27] okay. this is going to sound very silly. does it startup ( the comp) and the power light flashes for a bit. and then it sounds like it winds down before it shuts off ? [23:27] the installation was good and then the line goes few cm and the stops [23:27] demon_, just for start, xubuntu will be very slow even if it booted. [23:27] cuz i have 128ram [23:27] yes. [23:28] wow..... [23:28] :( [23:28] but it needs only 128 ram right [23:28] uh. dunno [23:28] 196 to install but i have the alternative cd [23:29] it needs around 256 to run smoothly [23:29] sure? [23:29] 128 is good for command line [23:29] * artistxe suggest Puppy at that rate . a laptop with 128 ??? [23:29] or lxfe? [23:29] i use to have a lappy with 24mb of RAM [23:29] no [23:30] what about opengeu [23:30] can i run it on 128ram? [23:30] elive works :) [23:30] e16 should work [23:30] saluton [23:30] demon_, it is *possible* that xubuntu runs with 128ram. [23:31] knome. just not on his computer. [23:31] lol [23:31] :D [23:31] You can run xubuntu with 128ram, but it is slow, may take 5 minutes to boot [23:31] artistxe, looks like that. [23:31] i have 366mhz [23:31] hi [23:31] demon_, can you run the live disc ? [23:31] after upgrade i have :"No Exec line in the session file: xfce. Starting failsafe GNOME" [23:31] charlie-tca is the expert on running xubuntu with low ram [23:31] any clue what to do [23:32] ? [23:32] artistxe, i dont have a livecd [23:32] beejay7777: yes [23:33] beejay7777, go into gnome. find the file that handles sessions . and make xfce default ( I am guessing) [23:33] You will need to edit /home/USER_NAME/.dmrc and change the line that says SESSION=xfce4 to SESSION=xfce [23:34] Then restart [23:34] charlie-tca: this xubuntu is on my parents computer - the upgrade did not go smooth [23:34] that little change will fix the error [23:35] the file with start with a "dm" maybe for desktop manager ......hold on . be right back [23:35] artistxe: no [23:35] heh, Chapter 12. Customising Your Computer [23:36] i reboot and check [23:36] charlie-tca, sorry. you are right. I was not reading full convo [23:36] dmrc stands for what ? [23:37] I remember seeing that in my home directory [23:37] I do not know [23:37] I only know what fixes that error [23:37] yes. well the file only seems to list the default session [23:38] Maybe it is desktop manager resource configuration [23:38] makes sense [23:39] working beautifull [23:40] thanks a lot [23:40] beejay7777, what did that file read anyway before you edited it ? [23:40] and why is upgrade doing this to ppl ? [23:41] SESSION=xfce4 [23:41] the script (or sth) to run for xfce changed for 4.6 [23:41] It is a bug. We found it too late to fix it [23:41] hahaha [23:41] charlie-tca, there was not really a way to fix it and at the same time to really migrate to the new name. [23:41] sorry . but I have to compose myself after that one [23:42] seriously ( a startup bug) ? [23:42] And, you don't see it if they select "xfce4 session" when you log in the first time after the upgrade [23:42] artistxe, it is not as bad as including kde 4.0 in the kubuntu release earlier [23:42] artistxe, where the complete desktop was broken for many many people [23:43] knome. screw the KDE users :P [23:43] artistxe, and many basic users had to do complete re-installs [23:43] weighed the options, it was judged less serious than breaking jaunty at the last minute [23:43] charlie-tca, ? [23:43] I kould kare less about them [23:44] charlie-tca, the kde 4.0 versus xfce 4.6 startup? [23:44] i have to say that upgrade from distance brake on hal configuration for me [23:44] No, the upgrade 8.10 to 9.04 bug in .dmrc [23:44] charlie-tca, right. [23:44] and i have to do it by the phone :) [23:44] beejay7777: don't know that one [23:45] charlie-tca, the reason i feel including kde 4.0 back then is epic fail is that the kubuntu team already had a way to sandbox kde4 *and* run kde3 simultaneously. [23:45] i connect to my parents computer through ssh [23:45] charlie-tca, but they decided to go with the broken desktop, even if they knew it would lead to catastrophe. [23:46] Yeah, that seemed like a big mistake to me [23:46] charlie-tca, that was a silly decision from the kubuntu team and knowing what their leader thought about the desktop being broken for many people... [23:47] charlie-tca, i'm not saying they didn't do all they could, but there was an option to keep kde3, even if it wasn't that new and experimental. [23:47] charlie-tca, kde4 was already available for users who wanted it. [23:47] charlie-tca, it lost kubuntu many users. [23:48] I agree. At least we all learned from that, though [23:48] enough of rants :) [23:48] true [23:48] just have to remember to keep our head calm even if we have something really nice coming. [23:49] charlie-tca: thanks a lot again - maybe put this info about bug somewher - i was googling and can not find anything [23:49] charlie-tca, isn't the bug in the release notes? [23:49] No, we opted to leave it out for some reason I can't recall [23:49] right [23:51] * knome has some pressure on keeping the artwork quality as high as it was for jaunty [23:52] we opted sounds so suspicious [23:52] It was discussed and decided ? better [23:52] artistxe, it was a developer community decision and i believe it was wise, even if i wasn't part of it. [23:52] I think I must be tired, my English is going to hell [23:53] ehm, even if i wasn't online discussing it. :) [23:53] charlie-tca, lol ;) [23:53] charlie-tca, i only slept for 5,5 hours after the night shift [23:53] how many devs are in this room ? [23:53] omg! you should perhaps get some sleep today [23:54] thanks again, i go to sleep, bye [23:54] artistxe, about five at the moment. [23:54] artistxe, our main channel for development is #xubuntu-devel [23:54] knome. I see. and is the room passwd only ? [23:55] artistxe, nope. feel free to join [23:55] Several will monitor the channel at any given time. They will attempt to help as needed [23:55] oh. I might do that one afternoon. [23:55] Just keep support questions over here, please. [23:55] pfft. of course. [23:55] artistxe, basically our development discussion is open for everyone to participate [23:55] charlie-tca, as usual... :P [23:56] charlie-tca, where is the channel for xubuntu talk which is not about development or support but still is not offtopic? [23:56] knome. I see. same goes with blendercoders ( although I do not agree with that idea all of the time) [23:56] I see more and more asking in #xubuntu-devel when it should have been asked here [23:56] artistxe, of course the core developer team has the last word. [23:56] charlie-tca, true [23:56] knome. I would hope so [23:56] artistxe, we definitely do :P [23:57] don't have one, knome. We only have the three channels for xubuntu [23:57] knome: actually, as the user of OSS software I have the final word... [23:57] charlie-tca, so that must be #xubuntu then, but only when there is no support going on [23:57] yeah [23:57] zoredache, really? on what we're going to include to the next release? :) [23:57] I had an upgrade go horribly wrong. Where can I find the official repositories for Xubuntu? [23:57] to be honest, this is not about words. [23:58] djs, what did go wrong? [23:58] knome: what is the release doesn't directly relate to what I use on my system [23:58] djs, do you need the package repositories or the cd ISO? [23:58] djs: uncheck all the sources in Applications -> System -> Software Sources [23:59] close it, then open it and check them again. It will rebuild the list [23:59] knome : you would have to agree though. sometimes it can be a disaster fighting thru all of the end user requests vs the ppl that are actually working on the code [23:59] knome: user always gets the last word, since if they don't use the OS, it would disappear