[00:39] <astromme> Nightrose: ping
[00:40] <Nightrose> astromme: pong
[00:40] <astromme> Nightrose: feel like testing sort-by-due date?
[00:40] <Nightrose> hmmm i should be in bed by now - need to get up early tomorrow
[00:40] <Nightrose> much much needs doing?
[00:41] <Nightrose> i'll be away till tuesday starting tomorrow
[00:42] <astromme> Nightrose: no problem at all. Not much needs to be done, but there really isn't a time attached to this
[00:43] <Nightrose> astromme: ok i'll test stuff tomorrow then if I find time or when I get back on tuesday
[00:43] <astromme> Nightrose: sounds like a plan
[00:43] <Nightrose> is it in svn?
[00:43] <astromme> I'm not sure how much I can change it now that I'm in kdereview
[00:43] <astromme> not quite yet
[00:43] <astromme> But I guess the worst that can happen is they decide it's not stable enough to fit in this cycle
[00:44] <astromme> in that case I just release it alongside instead of with kde
[00:44] <Nightrose> *nod*
[00:44]  * astromme shrugs
[00:44] <astromme> I'm new to this whole release thing
[00:44] <Nightrose> ;-)
[00:44] <astromme> This is the first kde release I've been even the smallest bit active in
[00:44] <Nightrose> ok wanne send me a patch then?
[00:44] <astromme> Nightrose: I think I'll just commit it to svn. If people aren't happy, I can revert it
[00:44] <Nightrose> ok good
[00:45] <Nightrose> more eyes = better
[00:45] <Nightrose> and i'll get some much needed sleep :)
[00:45] <Nightrose> nini
[00:45] <astromme> Nightrose: night. Thanks for all of the feedback, it's been wonderful :)
[00:45] <Nightrose> :)
[00:50] <astromme> Nightrose: if you're still with us, I just figured out how to make the plasmoid grab updates when things are changed from different locations :)
[00:50] <astromme> so you change something on the website -> it shows up on the plasmoid after ~5 minutes
[00:52]  * astromme notes that she probably left. oh well, tomorrow :)
[01:08]  * ScottK notes an LP translation related blog post on planet and just barely manages to avoid commenting.
[01:21] <lex79> JontheEchidna: I noticed in revu there is plasma-widget-stasks and others widget
[01:22]  * JontheEchidna should probably look at some
[02:05] <vorian> who let the dawgs out
[02:16] <vorian> fine
[02:16] <vorian> no one want's to admit it
[02:16] <vorian> wants, even
[02:19] <dtchen> we all know it was you
[02:20] <vorian> ok
[02:20] <vorian> fine
[02:20] <vorian> we have swine flu!
[02:23] <dtchen> i knew it!
[02:23] <vorian> it's my wifes fault really
[02:23] <vorian> she keeps playing in the pig pen
[02:23] <dtchen> uh huh
[02:54] <lex79> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-widget-customizable-weather
[02:55] <vorian> lex79: did you package stasks yet?
[02:55] <vorian> :P
[02:56] <lex79> stasks is in revu but is not mine
[02:56] <lex79> :)
[02:58] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/kubuntu/start_page/
[02:58] <nixternal> yay? nay?
[02:58] <nixternal> need to rework the roundness
[02:58] <nixternal> don't like the defaults
[02:58] <claydoh> yay yay yay
[02:59] <vorian> nice
[02:59] <nixternal> I will make it so we can easily replace the header image background for every release
[02:59] <vorian> nixternal: maybe use JontheEchidna's weather goodness for the header image
[02:59] <vorian> :P
[02:59] <nixternal> vorian: good idea!
[03:00] <vorian> or
[03:00] <nixternal> that would be slick, have the start page see what time zone you are in, and then go from there :)
[03:00] <ryanakca> nixternal: pretty. If at all possible, center it vertically? *shrug*
[03:00] <nixternal> my idea is still to make it look like a plasmoid to be honest :)
[03:00] <nixternal> ryanakca: sure
[03:00] <Sput> nixternal: has the sabdfl ever reacted btw?
[03:00]  * nixternal fires up bzr to keep track of this
[03:00] <vorian> yeah, the kubuntu would look better on the left.  It should be MOAR SEEABLE too
[03:01] <ryanakca> nixternal: and... help.k.o .... ?
[03:01] <nixternal> ryanakca: right, I will work on that next :)
[03:01] <nixternal> I think all I have to do for that is just whip up the css and relink the help:/ links
[03:01] <nixternal> quick scrippage
[03:02] <ryanakca> nixternal: Hehe. Well, if you stick all of the help content in say, <div id="content">, I can just give you a template for it, matching the soon to be wiki.kubuntu.org (Sysadmins need to finish reviewing the .py) and www.kubuntu.org
[03:03] <nixternal> ryanakca: good idea
[03:03] <ryanakca> Anyways, I'm off to bed, G'night
[03:03] <nixternal> I will do exactly that, and I am sure the css is probably already in place to make it look good, so I will wrap everything in that div, fix all of the links, and then put it up in bzr...sound good?
[03:03] <nixternal> ryanakca: ^^ before you go
[03:04] <nixternal> I will put it all under the kubuntu-website bzr stuff in a seperate branch
[03:04] <nixternal> Sput: I don't think he over reacted, I just think he misread it and took me as being a bit serious
[03:04] <nixternal> nobody was asking questions, and jcastro asked for questions, so being a wise ass like always, I gave him a question
[03:05] <nixternal> didn't think it would go through to be honest because I figured everyone saw the joke in it, but I guess I was wrong
[03:05] <nixternal> now I think many others who witnessed it, they over reacted, which really annoyed and irritated me
[03:05] <JontheEchidna> vorian: stasks already looks pretty karmic to me, am I missing something?
[03:05] <vorian> no
[03:06] <Sput> nixternal: "ever", not "over"
[03:06] <Sput> :)
[03:06] <vorian> i was looking at three plasmoids
[03:06] <vorian> JontheEchidna: you'll need to do the honours ;)
[03:06] <JontheEchidna> Oh, I've been doing that a lot with bugs lately
[03:06] <JontheEchidna> too many tabs open
[03:06] <JontheEchidna> then I get confused
[03:06] <Sput> nixternal: just wondering if he's read your apology and/or understood what you were going for
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> well by a lot I mean twice this week
[03:07] <nixternal> he had no other choice, as I messaged him right away letting him know I wasn't being serious and did it for fun
[03:07] <vorian> JontheEchidna: i know the feeling
[03:07] <nixternal> why people didn't see the "song" and "poem" as a joke and took it serious is beyond me
[03:07] <nixternal> I guess they all had that "omg it is sabdfl" look in their eyes
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> lol
[03:07] <vorian> what in the world happened?
[03:08] <JontheEchidna> visternal off-handedly asked why kubuntu was the blue-headed stepchild
[03:08] <vorian> ah
[03:08] <JontheEchidna> good ol' mark replied jokingly in a poem
[03:08] <JontheEchidna> next thing you know people are blogging
[03:08] <vorian> yes, i read that
[03:09] <JontheEchidna> I've even saw the blog in digg's upcoming queue (probably won't get frontpaged, but damn)
[03:09] <nixternal> well boredandblogging did the blog post because he saw the humor and knew I was joking
[03:09] <vorian> anything less than spending 10's of millions of dollars a year is unacceptable
[03:09] <JontheEchidna> lol
[03:09] <vorian> total lack of support
[03:10] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: stasks uploaded (first try too, awesome!), thanks for your contribution to kubuntu
[03:10] <Sput> well, it probably hit a nerve though.
[03:10] <vorian> do we have a composite dock yet?
[03:11]  * vorian takes the silence as a resounding "no"
[03:12] <JontheEchidna> ok, so you forward the acceptance email to ubuntu-motu, correct?
[03:12] <vorian> yus
[03:12] <JontheEchidna> kk
[03:14] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Yes.
[03:16] <JontheEchidna> vorian: whatever happened to that qaculate dude?
[03:16] <vorian> no idea
[03:17] <JontheEchidna> :(
[03:19]  * Sput wonders why he's reading Planet Ubuntu and Planet Gnome
[03:20] <ryanakca> nixternal: sure, I'll look at it tomorrow
[03:20] <nixternal> groovy, thanks dude
[03:34] <lex79> JontheEchidna: fixed
[03:35] <JontheEchidna> lex79: groovy
[03:36] <lex79> JontheEchidna: uhmmm groovy? what does it mean? :)
[03:37] <JontheEchidna> great! awesome! (It's a term from like the 1960's, lol)
[03:38] <ScottK> And early 70's
[03:38]  * ScottK remembers
[03:38] <lex79> eheheh ok I understand :)
[04:09] <lex79> JontheEchidna: do you know alternative for lastfm?
[04:13] <JontheEchidna> nope, I haven't really looked
[04:16] <lex79> in Italy now 3 euros per month
[04:16] <lex79> bleh
[04:16] <JontheEchidna> :(
[04:18]  * JontheEchidna should probably get on to bed
[04:18] <lex79> night :)
[06:16] <imbrandon> ugh
[06:16]  * imbrandon kicks amarok 2
[06:31] <nixternal> ryanakca: I have gone ahead and edited all of the docs to prepare them for h.k.o - I left the headers in tact for now, but I can clean them up as needed or you can... lp:kubuntu-website under my branch is where you will find them
[06:32]  * nixternal kicks imbrandon 
[06:35] <nixternal> 00:34:04 [        zz] whats the little envelope thingy in jaunty for gnome
[06:35] <nixternal> 00:34:14 [        zz] it holds all the notifications
[06:35] <nixternal> 00:34:24 [        zz] i removed that but don't see it under the add to panel
[06:35] <nixternal> notfications for the win!
[07:03]  * imbrandon kicks nixternal back
[07:07] <imbrandon> nixternal: wth you kickin me for , lol
[07:08] <nixternal> cuz you kicked amarok
[07:08] <imbrandon> ahh i was trying to get the kde3 and kde4 ones to play nice on my dad's pc, he hates change and i upgraded him to jaunty while i was there today
[07:08] <imbrandon> lol
[07:09] <nixternal> he hates obama I bet then
[07:09] <imbrandon> he was kinda urked with the amarok1.4 -> amarok2 "upgrade"
[07:09] <imbrandon> nah, he voted for obama as did i
[07:09] <imbrandon> :)
[07:12] <nixternal> suckahs!
[07:13] <nixternal> I know chicago politicians, and I will never vote for one :)
[07:13] <nixternal> probably because I couldn't afford to pay-to-play
[07:13] <imbrandon> lol
[07:14] <nixternal> though Riddell was interested in paying for that senate state
[07:14] <imbrandon> hahaha
[07:14] <nixternal> Illinois is already a blue state, but he would have made it a bloo state
[07:14] <imbrandon> gah, wth happened to my grub
[07:15]  * imbrandon kicks efi
[07:15] <imbrandon> damn thing wants to go right into osx
[07:35] <jussi01> imbrandon: its all your fault!
[07:35] <imbrandon> ?
[07:35] <imbrandon> heh
[07:48] <jussi01> imbrandon: just because. Havent seen you in ages and decided insulting you was a good first, Hi! :D
[07:48] <imbrandon> lol, hi
[07:49] <jussi01> well then.. home dir is backed up, time to reinstall this sucker.
[08:52] <apachelogger> oh dear
[08:52] <apachelogger> my mom can write better release news than the kaffeine doods
[08:53] <nixternal> lol
[08:54] <nixternal> I am surprised that they decided to continue working on Kaffeine
[08:54] <nixternal> I have missed it
[08:55]  * apachelogger would be intersted if the GUI design is still so crappy
[08:55] <apachelogger> with an all new maintainer and all one would expect improvement
[08:55] <nixternal> have you built it yet?
[08:55] <apachelogger> no
[08:55] <apachelogger> just saw the news on a german tech site
[08:56]  * apachelogger is trying to get a readahead for KDE :D
[08:56] <fabo> apachelogger: GUI is the same
[08:56] <apachelogger> meh :|
[08:57] <apachelogger> maybe I should write bug reports :)
[08:57] <fabo> apachelogger: christoph isn't really the new maintainer. he's maintaining it since years, just announced now
[08:57] <apachelogger> kaffeine would be an awesome app if the GUI was any better
[08:57] <apachelogger> fabo: oh, I see :)
[09:04] <ozancaglayan> whois twaugh
[09:09] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: Thank you :) Will create a backport request.
[09:09] <_r1_> o
[09:15] <apachelogger> how to create a magic readahead list for kde: a) install from default cdimage b) remove all non-essential components from /usr/share/autostart and /etc/xdg/autostart (that is to ensure a sensible list even at very minimal setup) c) ensure session management is off d) logout e) switch to ttyX and run sudo readahead-watch -o $SOMEFILEPATH e) switch back to kdm f) login g) switch to ttyX and run sudo killall readahead-watch h) str
[09:15] <apachelogger> -dependent files from the readahead list
[09:16] <apachelogger> eventually it makes sense to content-diff the default lists with the kde one, since the latter will include all base utils used while login (although they are most likely already present in one of the other 2 lists)
[09:17] <apachelogger> that can probably be deployed along plasma
[09:25] <apachelogger> neversfelde: did you find a minion yet?
[09:26] <neversfelde> haha, it is raining, I can't go outside to search one^^
[09:27] <nixternal> apachelogger: were you the one thinking of kubufox?
[09:27] <nixternal> I was looking at the package and the source, and it wouldn't be much work to turn it into a kubufox really
[09:27] <apachelogger> tonio was, at least he is working on mimetype support
[09:27] <nixternal> there is no artwork in it, but that doesn't mean we couldn't add something
[09:27] <apachelogger> hm
[09:28] <apachelogger> nixternal: what would kubufox be doing?
[09:28] <nixternal> I created a quick draft of what a Kubuntu start page would look like as well
[09:28] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/kubuntu/start_page/
[09:29] <apachelogger> I like, well, the concept at least :D
[09:29] <nixternal> apachelogger: well, there are some things that ubufox does to make it *ubuntu* only...we could add some Kubuntu and/or KDE stuff in it, ie some of the user scripts and what not for drop down menus and such...don't see why we couldn't add an oxygen theme to it either
[09:29]  * apachelogger thinks that our apps drain disc rotation from KDE's startup process
[09:29] <nixternal> ya, the first one was just that, a concept to work with
[09:29] <apachelogger> I like the sound of that
[09:30] <nixternal> heh, speak of the devil :)
[09:30] <apachelogger> oh dear, jockey got no autostart delay at all
[09:30] <davmor21> nixternal: you need to change the search entry point to blue
[09:30]  * apachelogger runs around screaming
[09:30] <nixternal> hrmm, 03:30, I am supposed to go for a nice 85 mile bike ride in 4 hours
[09:30] <nixternal> might have to postpone that
[09:31] <nixternal> davmor21: yup
[09:31] <nixternal> I did that concept in about 5 minutes, so it is far from perfect
[09:31] <nixternal> just v0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.1 :)
[09:31] <apachelogger> hm
[09:31] <nixternal> to be honest, I would like to make it look like a plasmoid
[09:31] <apachelogger> well
[09:32] <apachelogger> it could be a plasmoid ;-)
[09:32] <nixternal> make it more "KDE 4" like
[09:32] <apachelogger> if that mozilla plugins tuff would be somewhat progressing
[09:32] <apachelogger> so
[09:32] <nixternal> ahhhh, good point
[09:32] <apachelogger> jockey needs to autostart in phase 2
[09:32] <apachelogger> so does update-notifier
[09:32] <nixternal> but that hasn't gone anywhere...like you can do with konqi right?
[09:32] <apachelogger> as well as printer-applet
[09:33] <nixternal> I was reading up on the people complaining about the updater in Ubuntu....some angry people, and at first I was like "ya, that doesn't make sense"
[09:33] <apachelogger> nixternal: well, it would be easier to make konqui honor plasma's theme in a startpage than firefox
[09:33] <nixternal> then I was talking to ScottK  and said "it pops up behind stuff I don't know its there until I close everything out and start to shutdown"
[09:33] <nixternal> then after about an hour, I was like "damn, that is exactly when I do my updates"
[09:34] <nixternal> and the interesting part is you have like 200 people complain, and then thousands of others going "ya, that is cool, I had no idea what that orange thing up top was"
[09:35] <apachelogger> no understanding here
[09:35]  * apachelogger tunes in röyksopp
[09:35] <nixternal> and we do need to unclutterfy the task manager/panel/start bar/whatever it is called
[09:36] <nixternal> like kwallet, do I really need that badboy showing all of the time? or klipper?
[09:36] <apachelogger> KDE is working on that
[09:36] <apachelogger> IMHO kwallet tray can be deactivated completely
[09:36] <nixternal> grr, xorg is killing me
[09:36] <apachelogger> the target audience will not really have more than one wallet and for sure not manage them
[09:37] <nixternal> right, I have multiple wallets, but I only need to set them up 1 time
[09:37] <nixternal> after that if I need to do anything, it is in system settings
[09:38] <nixternal> heh...say I did accidentally leave my desktop open for someone to come up and look at...they see that wallet with a credit card sticking out, that will be the first thing they click on...and all of my passwords are right there, in plain text view...which I do not like one bit
[09:38] <apachelogger> ~np
[09:38] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "What Else Is There" by Röyksopp [The Understanding CD]; see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[09:38]  * apachelogger hugs markey
[09:40]  * nixternal thinks that the Kubuntu team needs 2 people, community members, both with opposing views of the Notification stuff, to work with the Ayatana team
[09:41] <nixternal> would be great if we got this stuff worked out ASAP
[10:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[10:20] <Riddell> hi apachelogger
[10:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: what do you think about moving the printer-applet's autostart to autostart phase 2 (i.e. post session restoring)?
[10:21] <apachelogger> I for one would rather have my session back than having a printer icon show, considering I probably won't get to print something before phase 2 is finished anyway :)
[10:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: seems a good idea
[10:23] <Riddell> you can commit it to svn
[10:23] <apachelogger> ok, thx
[10:30] <apachelogger> kde svn 961529
[10:43] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 258612
[10:52] <apachelogger> hum
[10:52] <apachelogger> it appears to me you broke superkarmba with a faulty merge
[10:52] <apachelogger> oh dear
[11:07] <Nightrose> apachelogger: Alejandro said he will look into the libgpod issue
[11:08] <apachelogger> okies, thx
[11:09] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, Riddell: bug 206459 if one of you could please take a look at it
[11:13] <ScottK> nixternal: I've seen no evidence that the "thousands of others going "ya, that is cool, I had no idea what that orange thing up top was" people actually exist.
[11:14] <ScottK> In the comments on the new notifications you see a mix of like it/sucks reactions.  For the update-notifier change the reaction that I've seen has been decidedly unmixed.
[11:19] <apachelogger> vorian: how can bug 22175 be in progress when there is no lirc in kde 4?
[11:46] <apachelogger> bug 62166
[11:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: is hwdb-client still used actually?
[11:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: there was a rewrite of the gtk one which gets used as part of the certification stuff
[11:55] <Riddell> forget what it's called now
[11:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: I was just wondering because there are some pretty old bugs around and at least we don't seem to use it a lot ;-)
[12:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: I think you can close the bugs now
[12:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: then we should drop the package I suppose :)
[12:03] <apachelogger> otherwise the reports might want to kill me
[12:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do you really want to keep bug 113789 around?
[12:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: it's not been in since hardy
[12:04] <apachelogger> ah
[12:04] <apachelogger> okies :)
[12:52] <Riddell> no sign of 4.2.3 yet
[12:54] <Riddell> fabo: so it seems to be easy enough to move phonon to build from qt and have the phonon package just compile the backends
[12:55] <Riddell> they get installed to /usr/lib/kde4/plugins though so I don't know if that should be /usr/lib/qt4/plugins
[12:55] <Riddell> but the main problem is package versioning, phonon has an epoch, qt doesn't
[12:55] <Riddell> we could just add phonon to libqtcore4
[12:56] <Riddell> otherwise come up with a new package name like libphonon-qt4  libphonon-qt-dev
[12:56] <Riddell> (or add an epoch to qt but that's not pretty)
[12:57] <Riddell> oh and qt seems to install the headers into both /usr/include/qt4/phonon and /usr/include/qt4/Qt which is a bit strange
[13:05] <Riddell> can't add to libqtcore4, it depends on lots of core things
[13:05] <Riddell> lots of non-core things rather
[13:06] <Riddell> maybe call it libqt4-phonon
[13:06] <JontheEchidna> that sounds good
[13:15] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm not sure what we want to do, but I'm sure add an epoch where Debian hasn't isn't it.
[13:16] <ScottK> apachelogger: I actually fixed the wifi-radar thing in Karmic already.
[13:17] <Riddell> ScottK: yep, I just mention it for completeness
[13:19] <vorian> apachelogger: haha, i did that a year and a half ago
[13:19] <vorian> whoopsie
[13:19]  * apachelogger hands ScottK a cookie
[13:20] <apachelogger> vorian: hehe
[13:20]  * ScottK is in favor of cookies.  Thanks.
[13:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you go read backlog :P
[13:20] <Riddell> shtylman: did you have additions for KubuntuKarmicSpecs ?
[13:20] <ScottK> I just remembered another one ...
[13:21] <fabo> Riddell: have you commited these changes (phonon) ?
[13:22] <Riddell> fabo: nope just playing around locally
[13:22] <Riddell> fabo: want to get agreement with you before committing anything
[13:23] <Riddell> hmm, no good meeting time until next wednesday
[13:24] <fabo> ok. I'll take a look deeper to phonon tomorrow before confirming
[13:25] <Riddell> fabo: for phonon I just commented out #add_subdirectory(phonon)  in CMakeLists.txt and it comiles fine against the phonon installed from qt
[13:26] <Riddell> and for qt I just copied over the libphonon4 libphonon-dev entries in debian/control and adjusted the .install files
[13:27]  * JontheEchidna remebered another spec point too
[13:53] <claydoh> good day, all you beautiful blue-haired folks!
[13:54]  * claydoh carries in tray of coffee, tea, diet soda, and large cookies
[13:55]  * claydoh pours cups for everyone
[14:03] <JontheEchidna> lex79: I almost forgot, you need to file a removal request for the old windowslist plasmoid
[14:05] <JontheEchidna> lex79: you can use bug 301083 as an example
[14:08] <|eagles051387|> afternoon JontheEchidna
[14:25] <seele> any consensus on the next meeting?
[14:27] <Riddell> seele: I think wednesday looks like the winner
[14:27] <Riddell> which is a while off alas
[14:40] <seele> Riddell: what time? (lost the link)
[14:42] <apachelogger> woohooo \o/ diagramming
[14:42]  * apachelogger luvs the graphics
[14:43] <apachelogger> claydoh: hullos, are you our new bar tender?
[14:44] <claydoh> apachelogger: sure, as long as y'all tip :)
[14:44]  * apachelogger takes one of the large cookies claydoh brought in and throws it after JontheEchidna hoping he read backlog and went through all the bugs apachelogger referenced to
[14:44] <apachelogger> claydoh: hm... kubotu ain't need no tip...
[14:45] <claydoh> apachelogger: but i may be better looking
[14:45] <Riddell> seele: http://www.doodle.com/3hvuw76ydubbgseg
[14:46] <Riddell> seele: tuesday 17:00UTC?
[14:46] <lex79> JontheEchidna: launchpad bug 369827
[14:46] <Riddell> or wed at 17:00
[14:48] <apachelogger> claydoh: well, Riddell got that theory about Kubuntu contributors being incredibly good looking
[14:48] <apachelogger> then again nixternal makes me doubt that theory
[14:48] <ScottK> Riddell: How about 18:00?  I'm working 22:00 - 10:00 next week and I'd like a chance to get some sleep.
[14:48] <apachelogger> although Nightrose proofs it a lot
[14:48] <claydoh> lol
[14:48] <claydoh> I sure don't
[14:49]  * ScottK stick up his hand for bringing down the average.
[14:49] <claydoh> maybe back in  the old days, i was ok, but not now
[14:49] <seele> Riddell: wednesday has more people
[14:49] <apachelogger> ScottK: you officially have no face because you are lacking a launchpad pic .... that is like not having karma
[14:49] <seele> ScottK: what is that, 14:00 EST?
[14:49] <ScottK> Yes
[14:49]  * seele counts on her fingers
[14:50] <seele> why can't we just keep the same time all year round
[14:50] <ScottK> Yes, I'm working 6PM to 4AM local.
[14:50] <seele> ew
[14:50] <claydoh> apachelogger: I don't have  my pic there either
[14:50] <apachelogger> seele: people's schedules change too much for that IMHO
[14:50] <apachelogger> claydoh: oh, I thought you had one?
[14:50] <seele> apachelogger: no, i mean calendar time.. no daylight savings
[14:50] <seele> apachelogger: so no matter when it is i am always -n:00 UTC
[14:51]  * apachelogger hates the daylight saving and actually thinks everyone should just live by UTC anyway
[14:51] <ScottK> seele: Because it theoretically saves 0.0000001% of energy and so since you don't like it you must be in favor of global warming.
[14:51]  * seele waits for someone to start an a/s/l thread on the dev mailing list
[14:52] <seele> ScottK: and i'm a rebulican bible thumper who buys american and only eats fast food
[14:52] <apachelogger> ScottK: spam clearly consumes more engery than we can save by daylight saving :P
[14:52] <Riddell> so Wed at 18:00UTC?
[14:52] <ScottK> o/
[14:53] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAiDxV_xQPU
[14:53] <Riddell> going once
[14:53] <Riddell> twice
[14:53] <Riddell> done!
[14:53] <apachelogger> \o/
[14:53] <Riddell> hmm, random youtube link with no context, could be dangerous
[14:54] <apachelogger> context is in backlog :P
[14:54] <eagles0513875> lol
[14:54] <seele> Riddell: you work from home which mitigates the risk
[14:54] <apachelogger> claydoh \o/
[14:54] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: broke it :p
[14:55] <apachelogger> claydoh: was that your contribution to the 0.0000001% energy saving?
[14:55] <claydoh> ya, uplugged the laptop from my laptop cooler, and it died
[14:56] <Riddell> seele: I have flatmates, they could burst in at any moment!
[14:56] <claydoh> think the power plug and voltage regulator are going
[14:56]  * seele says a few things about your flatmates...
[14:56] <seele> *cough*
[14:56] <claydoh> apachelogger: more than that I am drying my clothes outdoors now :)\
[14:57] <apachelogger> dingdong
[14:57]  * eagles0513875 waits for seele to get he boot :p
[14:57]  * apachelogger turns on tv to check who's at the door
[14:57] <apachelogger> uh
[14:58] <apachelogger> claydoh: you have cloths to dry? Oo
[14:58] <apachelogger> like what do you do to them that they have to be dried?
[14:59] <claydoh> I am the househusband
[15:00] <claydoh> wet clothes = one ticked off wife
[15:00] <claydoh> pplus I like dry scratchy towels
[15:00] <apachelogger> sounds sensible
[15:00] <apachelogger> I suppose
[15:01] <apachelogger> so
[15:01] <apachelogger> claydoh: you probably want to find out how we get kde.qa.ubuntu.com, don't you?
[15:02] <claydoh> um, ah, sure?
[15:02] <apachelogger> claydoh: good luck with it
[15:02] <Riddell> what's that about?
[15:02] <apachelogger> could be useful for SRU testing
[15:02]  * claydoh has no idea yet
[15:02] <apachelogger> or any kind of testing
[15:02] <apachelogger> taking the nm plasmoid as current usecase :)
[15:04] <apachelogger> mcas: ping ping ping
[15:04] <claydoh> good idea
[15:05] <apachelogger> claydoh: I'd suggest to get in touch with someone from ubuntu testing/qa
[15:05] <claydoh> bbiab, need to get groceries
[15:05] <claydoh> apachelogger: kk
[15:05] <apachelogger> not much luck when I tried yesterday
[15:05] <apachelogger> then again I did try at the most awful time of day
[15:06] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: need some testing of the nm widget
[15:07] <apachelogger> I'd rather get proper testcases and some test tracker before
[15:07] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: you could however prepare testcases
[15:07] <apachelogger> http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/
[15:07] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: well one thing that i know that doesnt work is static ip's still
[15:08] <eagles0513875> tried it the other day and it seems to ignore the static ip i set and reverted to using dhcp
[15:08] <apachelogger> I am more interested in regressions, since those have to be fixed before pushing it to either -backports or -updates
[15:08] <apachelogger> that is why we need testcases
[15:08] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: i might not be the person to do that since i dont know what im looking for
[15:10] <apachelogger> sebas: btw, is it intent behaviour that the plasmoid tries to connect to wifi even if cable connection is available (that is with autoconnect turned on) ... I found it kind of weird that the plasmoid annoyed me with kwallet access right after login, even though I was cabled
[15:10] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: okies, gotta find someone else then :D
[15:10] <ScottK> apachelogger: We need to understand if the "it works for some, but not others" problems are connecting to different types of networks or hardware specific.
[15:10] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: ill keep upstreaming bugs :)
[15:11] <ScottK> If it's hardware specific, I think we're kind of screwed for an SRU.
[15:11] <apachelogger> ScottK: it should become easier if we get coordinated testing through the testing tracker
[15:11] <ScottK> apachelogger: I agree.
[15:11] <apachelogger> it also could revive the testing community for that matter :D
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> lex79: usually the MOTU giving the ack subscribes the archive admins, but it should be ok as long as I've given the ack :)
[15:12] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: what happens with the nm when its on a desktop that has a wired connection only is the same issue you mentioned bout being wired does it still want you to open the kwallet
[15:12] <apachelogger> no
[15:13] <apachelogger> it only wants kwally to authenticate for $wifi
[15:13]  * JontheEchidna steps out for a bit
[15:13] <ScottK> It wants it even if no authentication is needed, which I find annoying
[15:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you should be reading bug reports :P
[15:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: uh, that is fun :)
[15:14] <apachelogger> davmor2: pingy
[15:14] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: ScottK at least the build that a|wen did fixed it to where it doesnt ask for password again after opening the wallet
[15:14] <davmor2> apachelogger: whatcha want
[15:14] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I did, but I don't know what to do with half of 'em
[15:15] <apachelogger> davmor2: wanna come up with some fancy testcases for the network manager plasmoid? ;-)
[15:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: so we agree on that I suppose? :)
[15:15] <apachelogger> stupid bugs
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> heh
[15:15] <davmor2> apachelogger: Can do but not till after uds where we will be discussing the testcases in detail :)  If it can wait that long
[15:16] <apachelogger> probably not
[15:16] <apachelogger> davmor2: depends on when we get kde.qa.ubuntu.com ... that said ... do you have an idea whom we have to poke for that?
[15:17] <eagles0513875> ScottK: this what you talking about
[15:17] <ScottK> apachelogger: We could also do it with a wiki in the meantime.  Something like https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Clamav
[15:17] <davmor2> not till after uds as that is maybe being all shook up too :)
[15:17] <eagles0513875> ScottK: bug 349445
[15:18] <ScottK> eagles0513875: No.  My issue is it wants the wallet when connecting to unsecured networks.
[15:18] <apachelogger> davmor2: pff :P ... ScottK knows how to make an apachelogger happy
[15:18] <eagles0513875> ScottK: gotcha
[15:21] <apachelogger> davmor2: when is uds?
[15:23] <apachelogger> nvm :P
[15:26] <eagles0513875> ScottK: regarding your issue issue of a static ip wouldnt it be easier to file an upstream bug for those
[15:26] <ScottK> I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything about a static IP.
[15:26] <eagles0513875> ScottK: thats my issue i was testing something the other day with static ip and the network manager ignores the ip i put in entierly and uses dhcp none the less
[15:26] <ScottK> eagles0513875: Then I'm really confused why you referred to it as 'my issue'.
[15:26] <eagles0513875> this is kind of a regression from knetwork manager at least with that you could get it to use a static ip
[15:26] <apachelogger> no you couldn't
[15:26] <eagles0513875> ScottK: i was referring to your issue as in wallet and unsecured networks
[15:26] <apachelogger> at least not with the one from 8.10
[15:26] <eagles0513875> ScottK: apologies i worded that wrong
[15:27] <apachelogger> and I am pretty sure the one from 8.04 didn't have that capability at all
[15:27] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: you could but would loose static ip settings upon reboot
[15:27] <apachelogger> now that worked pretty well then -.-
[15:27] <ScottK> Not terribly static then
[15:27] <eagles0513875> ya and now its seems to have regressed to where the static ip gets ignored entierly
[15:28] <ScottK> eagles0513875: I think you address specific people far to often in the channel.  I'm personally getting tired of the distraction.
[15:28]  * eagles0513875 goes back to bug upstreaming
[15:28] <ScottK> eagles0513875: I'd ask you not to highlight me unless it's in response to a question I've asked you specifically (and not just to the channel in general).
[15:28] <eagles0513875> i understand
[16:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: ping
[16:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: we have a patch kubuntu_11_fix_openwithdialog.diff which you added
[16:02] <apachelogger> aye
[16:02] <Riddell> vorian: removed it according to the changelog
[16:02] <Riddell> but it's still there
[16:03] <apachelogger> that is weird, maybe vorian didn't really remove it?
[16:03] <Riddell> maybe he forgot to bzr remove of something and it reappeared
[16:03] <Riddell> so question is do we want it?  I presume not
[16:04] <vorian> hrm
[16:04] <vorian> stupid bzr
[16:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think upstream already implemented the better solution which is why vorian dropped the patch
[16:04] <Riddell> vorian: it's all solved upstream and I should remove it now?
[16:04] <vorian> yes
[16:04] <Riddell> I'll drop it then
[16:14] <shtylman> anyone packaged up qt 4.5.1 in a ppa yet?
[16:14] <eagles0513875> have all the kde4libs stuff upstreamed
[16:14] <eagles0513875> someone was doing a merge on that last night not sure if it has been packaged
[16:16] <Riddell> shtylman: me and JontheEchidna are merging it
[16:17] <shtylman> Riddell: cool :)
[16:17] <Riddell> going to agree the phonon build stuff with fabo before uploading
[16:18] <eagles0513875> Riddell: knetwork and kde4libs bugs so far have been upstreamed
[16:19] <Riddell> eagles0513875: gosh, all of them?
[16:20] <eagles0513875> rickspencer3: just on https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+upstreamreport
[16:20] <eagles0513875> rickspencer3: miss type
[16:20] <eagles0513875> Riddell: on that site
[16:35] <ScottK> Just out of curiousity I used grab-merge and got the kde4libs merge.  My eyes hurt.
[16:35] <valgaav> Hi
[16:35] <ScottK> I think we may need to merge more than once this cycle.
[16:36] <valgaav> just wondering since there might be browser change for karmic   how about adding the Firefox Qt4 port to the list ?
[16:36] <valgaav> seems to be better option then Arora or Rekonq ... if it's ready
[16:37] <ScottK> valgaav: It's not mature and not actively being developed as far as we know.
[16:38] <valgaav> :( ... so it dies like the old Qt port years ago ...
[16:38] <valgaav> too bad
[16:39] <valgaav> AFAIK it was merged into mozilla main branch ... but after that it was sillent about it
[16:39] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm looking at the kde4libs merge now
[16:39] <ScottK> Riddell: Enjoy.
[16:40] <a|wen> Riddell: some info is needed from you on kde bug 191066
[16:41] <Riddell> a|wen: ok, I'll try a suspend in a bit
[16:43] <a|wen> okay, cool
[17:01] <vorian> which packages are we using lzma wrt?
[17:02] <reisi> has anyone noticed firefox 3.0.10 wasting huge lot of memory on x86-64 system? it's at 4.1GB currently.. the leaking slowed down though after upgrade 3.0.9, this instance has been up for 12+ hrs i think
[17:08] <vorian> http://doihaveswineflu.org/
[17:12] <Riddell> ug, MIR needed for xmlrpc-c
[17:16] <ScottK> Heh
[17:20] <nixternal> there seems to be a spare slot in the Open Week stuff....maybe one of your ninjas would like to do an ad-hoc Kubuntu dev session?
[17:20] <nixternal> s/your/you
[17:20] <vorian> :o
[17:20] <vorian> kubotu: ninjas
[17:20] <kubotu> apachelogger, Arby, devfil, JontheEchidna, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, stdin and vorian ... to the Batcave!
[17:20] <vorian> nixternal: when?
[17:21] <nixternal> 23:00 UTC
[17:21] <nixternal> HEY! HOW COME I AM NOT A NINJA
[17:21] <nixternal> bastards!
[17:21]  * nixternal goes to GNOME!
[17:21] <nixternal> err, Vista!
[17:21] <nixternal> !nixternal
[17:21]  * vorian has no idea and points at apachelogger 
[17:21]  * a|wen joins nixternal ... and kicks kubotu
[17:21] <vorian> !vorian
[17:21] <nixternal> ya, and a|wen too
[17:21] <vorian> yep, figured
[17:22] <nixternal> and your a ninja? the silly bot doesn't even know you son :p
[17:22] <vorian> !omgvorian
[17:22]  * nixternal needs to stop watching Rob and Black on MTV
[17:22] <vorian> !omgvorian#ubuntuforums
[17:22] <vorian> pfft
[17:22] <nixternal> rofl
[17:22] <vorian> !omgvorian-#ubuntuforums
[17:22] <vorian> \o/
[17:22] <nixternal> ubottu don't feel bad, vorian is a human and we don't think he is intelligent ;p
[17:23] <vorian> I love this dashboard obama
[17:23] <vorian> I laugh at it every time i see it
[17:24] <Riddell> I don't get it
[17:25] <vorian> some folks in the US put a figure of Jesus on their cars dashboard
[17:25] <nixternal> sometimes it is impossible for me to be a conservative or a republican...the US is filled with the dumbest ones I know...did you see that Minnesota republican blaming Swin Flu on the democrats?
[17:25] <nixternal> I have that and Rush Limbaugh ruining it for me
[17:25] <vorian> that is retarted
[17:26] <nixternal> I might have to pull an Arlan Specter
[17:26] <vorian> it's obviously the pigs fault
[17:26] <nixternal> rofl
[17:26] <nixternal> I wish Riddell or sabdfl would have bought the Illinois Senate seat
[17:27] <nixternal> Riddell had good plans for Illinois :)
[17:27] <vorian> that's what you get for having "relations" with pigs
[17:27] <maco> vorian: what?
[17:27] <maco> oh figure
[17:27] <nixternal> vorian: you need to stop watching Deliverance dude
[17:27] <maco> vorian: i thought you said finger
[17:27] <vorian> na, that's from SNL
[17:27] <vorian> chris farley, david spade
[17:28] <maco> nixternal: yeah yeah, Arlen Specter!
[17:28]  * maco has 2 good senators...and thus will not be switching voter registration to the District any time soon
[17:28] <vorian> meh, they all suck
[17:28] <nixternal> I am with vorian on that one
[17:29] <maco> hey, i had Santorum before
[17:29] <maco> compare them, and you'll see what i mean
[17:29] <vorian> santorum was actually decent
[17:29] <vorian> He said what he meant, and meant what he said
[17:29] <maco> ok, noting that i'm a member of the Green Party....from my perspective..
[17:30] <vorian> oh, maco
[17:30] <maco> (i thought the Dems were too conservative)
[17:30] <vorian> I just bought a big BIG van
[17:30] <maco> for an actual purpose or just to be big?
[17:30] <maco> "compensating" doesn't count as an actual purpose
[17:30] <vorian> It's way more than we need, but I wanted to get one before they were outlawed
[17:31]  * claydoh has a big big van himself
[17:31] <vorian> Big engine, eats a lot of gas
[17:31] <vorian> I LOVE IT!
[17:31]  * vorian finds a picture
[17:31] <claydoh> ditto, hauls lots of people and dogs
[17:31] <maco> my mom drives an SUV because she needs to be able to transport 500 pounds of pork easily
[17:31] <maco> i drive my feet
[17:31] <maco> i might be getting a bicycle soon though!
[17:32] <claydoh> I pedaled to the grocery store today
[17:32] <claydoh> need saddle bags :(
[17:33] <maco> eh, all the grocery stores here are walking distance...anything i need, no more than 2 miles away
[17:33] <claydoh> diito for me
[17:33] <claydoh> er, ditto
[17:33] <vorian> http://stalcups.org/home/?p=192
[17:33] <vorian> sheesh
[17:33] <vorian> I missed out on a green week blogpost
[17:33] <maco> i'm just thinking about a bike since i want to move 3 miles from here and it'll be faster to get to class heading downhill on a bike (the uphill afterward won't bother me. what people in DC call a "hill" people in Pittsburgh call "flat ground")
[17:34] <claydoh> vorian: lol mine is bigger :)
[17:34] <vorian> oh?
[17:34] <vorian> sweet
[17:34] <claydoh> 15n passenger chevy
[17:34] <vorian> mine is only a 12 seater
[17:34] <maco> vorian: LOL you're gonna look like one of those people that pics up the old folks from nursing homes for their weekly outing
[17:34] <claydoh> my first chevy, been a ford guy for a while
[17:35] <vorian> I will never buy chevy again, bail out losers
[17:35] <vorian> That's why I went with ford
[17:36] <claydoh> mine I have had for 2 years, its an 05
[17:37] <vorian> how's the mpg?
[17:38] <maco> the car i drove in hs was a nice little Saturn. it finally went kaput and was replaced with a friend's old Ford boxy thingy (one of those early-90s SUVs, ya know?). i hated that thing. it's too high off the ground. makes me feel like i'll look out at the blind spot and not see someone in a corvette because they're below the level of the windows
[17:38] <maco> and then i'll moosh them
[17:39] <claydoh> the ford we tested was less comfortable
[17:39] <claydoh> vorian: maybe 15 mpg highway
[17:39] <maco> ouch, that's gotta get expensive
[17:39] <claydoh> still better than my full size brono
[17:39] <vorian> hrm, mine is much worse
[17:40] <claydoh> bronco
[17:40] <vorian> we're getting about 11
[17:40] <maco> wow and i thought the saturn's 20mpg was crappy
[17:40] <vorian> it is a 1ton though
[17:40] <claydoh> fully loaded with 6 people and at least as many dogs, drops to about 12 ish
[17:40] <apachelogger> now it is my fault that nixternal doesn't do stuff half a cycle :P
[17:41] <apachelogger> ~script show ninjas
[17:41] <kubotu> m.reply "apachelogger, Arby, devfil, JontheEchidna, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, stdin and vorian ... to the Batcave!" [apachelogger, 2009/01/10 20:01 in kubotu]
[17:41] <claydoh> still cheaper on long hauls than the 3 or 4 cars
[17:41] <ScottK> maco: You only got 20 mpg?  Mine used to get over 25?
[17:41] <apachelogger> ~script add -f ninjas m.reply "apachelogger, Arby, devfil, JontheEchidna, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, stdin, nixternal and vorian ... to the Batcave!"
[17:41] <kubotu> done
[17:41] <apachelogger> ~ninjas
[17:41] <kubotu> apachelogger, Arby, devfil, JontheEchidna, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, stdin, nixternal and vorian ... to the Batcave!
[17:41] <ScottK> maco: Stick or automatic?
[17:41] <apachelogger> there we go
[17:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: don't forget a|wen!
[17:41] <apachelogger> -.-
[17:41] <apachelogger> ~script add -f ninjas m.reply "apachelogger, Arby, devfil, JontheEchidna, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, stdin, nixternal, a|wen and vorian ... to the Batcave!"
[17:41] <kubotu> sure
[17:41] <apachelogger> ~ninjas
[17:42] <kubotu> apachelogger, Arby, devfil, JontheEchidna, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, stdin, nixternal, a|wen and vorian ... to the Batcave!
[17:42] <apachelogger> but now!
[17:42] <vorian> please take off JontheEchidna
[17:42] <vorian> :P
[17:42] <apachelogger> what a pointless flood ... I shall sit in silence for the next 3 hours
[17:42]  * a|wen hugs apachelogger
[17:42] <apachelogger> palying with kexec anyway
[17:42] <nixternal> lol
[17:43] <claydoh> vorian: http://claydoh.com/modules/extgallery/public-photo.php?photoId=2#photoNav
[17:43] <vorian> yikes!
[17:43] <vorian> you win
[17:44] <claydoh> lol
[17:44] <claydoh> if it had a deisel it would be king
[17:44] <Riddell> claydoh: when the oil runs out, I'm blaming you
[17:44] <vorian> we can just grow more cows, throw them in a hole and turn em into oil
[17:45] <apachelogger> hm
[17:45] <ScottK> We own 5 cars for two drivers.
[17:45] <claydoh> naw, it is used mostly for long hauls to far-off do flyball competitions,
[17:45] <vorian> more cows == more carbon == better world <3
[17:45] <Riddell> that's the most surreal answer for lack of oil I've ever heard
[17:45] <apachelogger> vorian: don't they like produce greenhouse gases when they decompose?
[17:45] <claydoh> the team used to go down in 3-5 separate vehicles
[17:45] <vorian> peak oil ftw
[17:46] <vorian> apachelogger: not as much as when the toot
[17:46] <apachelogger> well
[17:46] <vorian> *they* toot
[17:46] <apachelogger> there is a fatal flaw in that theory though
[17:46] <apachelogger> either you gotta digg a very deep hole
[17:47] <vorian> na
[17:47] <apachelogger> which is a problem because the deeper you get, the hotter it is, the warmer gets the outside of $planet + the more it smells as well when the cows decompose
[17:47] <vorian> the carbon levels are not related to the (DECLINE) in global temps over the last 10 years
[17:47] <vorian> carbon goes up, and we are cooling... weird
[17:47] <apachelogger> or you digg a lot of less deep holes which has the disadvantage that you need a lota space, which leads to the  problem that you gotta run out of that soon
[17:47] <claydoh> susn spots!
[17:47] <apachelogger> so you'd need to address that by removing water from $earth
[17:48] <apachelogger> which is only possible if you drag it into $space
[17:48] <vorian> space malls?
[17:48] <vorian> space wal-mart
[17:48] <apachelogger> which is only possible using $rockets which then again need oil to fly sky high
[17:48] <ScottK> Nah, just get nixternal to drink it.
[17:48] <vorian> space nascar
[17:48] <vorian> apachelogger: you can use nitrogen for rockets!
[17:49] <vorian> problem solved
[17:49] <apachelogger> that requires engery to get produced
[17:49] <claydoh> I have a big gas hog, yet I still use pub transort a lot, walk, pedal, etc
[17:49] <apachelogger> a lota energy
[17:49] <apachelogger> which is probably even worse than using gas as fuel
[17:49] <nixternal> http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/77627/original.jpg
[17:50] <nixternal> hahahahahaha
[17:50] <nixternal> oops
[17:50]  * nixternal goes to the channel that was meant for
[17:50] <apachelogger> in any case you get another lack of energy which needs to be worked around someway, and since we'd be out of surfacial space as well as water that is kind of a problem
[17:50] <vorian> lolz
[17:51]  * apachelogger gives up on kexec
[17:52]  * vorian read that as kext
[18:11] <seele> what is Shaman?
[18:12] <ScottK> It's a package management tool used by some other distro (I had to google for it)
[18:13] <seele> pakcagekit is getting that bad of feedback?
[18:13] <ScottK> I've seen mixed.
[18:18] <valgaav> seele : here is how shaman looks like : http://boom1992.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/shaman-current.png
[18:18] <seele> ScottK: but really, given the choice between adept and kpackagekit..
[18:19] <ScottK> seele: I've seen some people prefer both.  I use neither, so don't really have a strong opinion.
[18:23] <a|wen> uh oh ... the new plasma-widget lists hidden networks
[18:34] <maco> a|wen: why's that "uh oh" i always thought that was an awesome thing about the gnome network manager
[18:35] <maco> ...now if only the plasmoid would let me enable my wireless card, things'd be great!
[18:36] <maco> vorian: cows produce methane, not carbon. though producing 16 pounds of grain to feed the cows for every 1 pound of beef you're going to get out of the deal does require a lot of petroleum-based fertilizer...
[18:36] <a|wen> maco: i was just surprised that the positive feedback of things that now was working kept coming ... a very positive "uh oh"
[18:37] <maco> i give negative feedback :)
[18:37] <a|wen> maco: is it a regression?
[18:37] <maco> worked fine in jaunty final. then i reinstalled jaunty final and it stopped working :(
[18:38] <a|wen> maco: and with the 1:10 ratio of in vs. out in cows ... that is a lot of methane
[18:38] <maco> i've been using /etc/network/interfaces because the plasmoid's always displaying my wireless card as disabled and won't let me enable it
[18:38] <a|wen> maco: you're using the one from jaunty final?
[18:38] <maco> aye
[18:39] <maco> i was upgraded all the way through to final and everything worked but my / was really fragmented and quite full since i still had gnome, so i did a clean install
[18:39] <a|wen> maco: i'm talking about a fresh svn snapshot waiting for you to test out in kubuntu-experimental ;)
[18:39] <maco> after the clean install, i can only get online via the command line
[18:39] <maco> oh?
[18:39] <maco> i kind of think this may have been something the installer did
[18:40] <maco> because i got online w/ the command line while using the live cd installer. i wonder if that propogated and somewhere hidden in some file is a directive to NM to always pretend my wireless card doesn't exist, even when it's got no entries in interfaces
[18:41] <a|wen> maco: nothing is certain here ... does the nm-applet want to play with the card?
[18:41] <a|wen> maco: if not it is probably some network-manager setting / pecularity playing in
[19:03] <vorian> maco: awesome, even better
[19:03]  * vorian goes to eat some veil
[19:03]  * ScottK takes an 'i' from vorian and hands him an 'a'.
[19:04] <vorian> tanks
[19:04] <vorian> h
[19:20] <maco> vorian: dude, we don't need to know about what you do in your spare time with nuns
[19:20]  * eagles0513875 doesnt wanna know
[19:21] <maco> eagles0513875: he misspelled veal earlier as veil
[19:21] <eagles0513875> maco:  its off topic for this channel though
[19:21] <eagles0513875> jtechidna: ping
[19:21] <maco> eagles0513875: aye, but the channel's been ather offtopic for the last 3 hours anyway
[19:21] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: ping
[19:21] <jtechidna> jtechidna: pong
[19:22] <maco> with the exception of my "wah, the network manager plasmoid has forced me back to the command line"
[19:22] <eagles0513875> jtechidna: sry for the double ping can you look at bug 203967 upstream responded there is a fix i think already out
[19:23] <jtechidna> eagles0513875: youtube was still broken in that regard last I checked
[19:24] <jtechidna> oh
[19:24] <jtechidna> an upstream comment
[19:24] <jtechidna> kde svn 959136
[19:24] <eagles0513875> jtechidna: ya
[19:25] <jtechidna> We should test this once KDE 4.2.3 comes along
[19:27] <eagles0513875> do you need me to make a note of that
[19:27] <eagles0513875> jtechidna: thing is this bug wont occur for everyone if people that know what package flash is in for example i install kubuntu-restricted-extras which has flash in it
[19:27] <jtechidna> I'll just assign it to myself so that I don't forget
[19:28] <jtechidna> yeah, but if you don't have flash installed you get this prompt
[19:28] <eagles0513875> jtechidna: wouldnt it be good to also test on 4.2.2
[19:28] <jtechidna> but the prompt doesn't work on youtube
[19:28] <jtechidna> it's known to be broken on KDE 4.2.2
[19:28] <jtechidna> I tested
[19:28] <eagles0513875> gotcha
[19:28] <eagles0513875> thats all i got on the upstream front as of right now
[19:30] <eagles0513875> jtechidna: have you tried amarok 2.1 yet i need to confirm if this particular issue is happening to me only or not
[19:31] <jtechidna> I've used it, yes
[19:31] <jtechidna> though I don't see why you need my help specifically
[19:31] <eagles0513875> whe you play songs does it repeat songs even with repeat off
[19:32] <jtechidna> not that I noticed
[19:32] <eagles0513875> humm ok thanks
[19:35] <nixternal> omg the Kubuntu 9.04 CDs are super yummy!
[19:35] <nixternal> just got the package of CDs
[19:35] <eagles0513875> hehehehe
[19:35] <eagles0513875> what you got inbetween those cds
[19:35] <eagles0513875> burger patty :p
[19:36] <jtechidna> so the CD's themselves look nice?
[19:51] <maco> nixternal: that was ridiculously fast
[19:51] <nixternal> that it was
[19:52] <eagles0513875> can i make a suggestion for the kernel for karmic and any future kernels for jaunty
[19:55] <smarter> we're not the kernel team
[19:56] <eagles0513875> k
[20:19] <sebas> apachelogger: you can be connected to wired and wireless at the same time, it's not mutually exclusive
[20:19] <sebas> Which connection you use will be determined by routing
[20:20] <sebas> besides that, being connected to wireless and you unplug the cable, the only thing that changes is the route, so you'll stay connected in many cases
[20:25] <rbrunhuber> What is the current state of nepomuk/strigi in kubuntu? I'm seeing some success reports, some bug reports and a lot of people for which it does not work.
[20:47] <nixternal> gahahaha, vorian your teleprompter comment is classic!
[20:47] <vorian> :D
[20:48] <nixternal> did you watch last night? w/o the prompter there were a bunch of "ummm, ahhh, ummm, hmm, ahh, good question...ummm, hmmm, ahhh, ya"
[20:48]  * a|wen opens the packet of cookies and hands out to everyone
[20:48]  * |eagles0513875| hordes a bunch and goes back ot my corner
[20:48] <vorian> na, I wached "Lie to Me" - Twas the only show on network tv last night
[20:48]  * |eagles0513875| thanks a|wen
[20:49] <vorian> it's actually a decent show
[20:50]  * a|wen hugs sebas
[20:50] <a|wen> a turn-around time of less than an hour without even having to report the bug is amazing :)
[20:51]  * ScottK should blog about the benifits of distros and upstreams working closely together in the development process.
[20:52]  * sebas notes that this only works when the package is not ten years old ;)
[20:53] <a|wen> ScottK: indeed ... having one of the kile developers around in LP confirming if things are or are not fixed in trunk has been great
[20:53]  * |eagles0513875| loves latex
[20:54] <a|wen> and that one gets pretty close to the ten years
[20:56] <ScottK> sebas: True.  I had a lot of luck in the last release cycle working with quassel upstream (high Sput) and putting their git snapshots in a PPA for Intrepid so people on the stable release could test.
[21:00]  * |eagles0513875| gonna take a stab at packaging a newer svn package of kvirc 4.0
[21:01] <ScottK> eagles0513875: That's a pretty complex one.
[21:04] <eagles0513875> well ifi follow the install guide in the svn source then i should be good to go
[21:04] <eagles0513875> figure out pbuilder then i should be good or not
[21:49] <ryanakca> nixternal: lovely, thanks
[21:50] <neversfelde> ryanakca: there is a © 2005-2008 on kubuntu.org, should be 2009?
[21:51] <ScottK> neversfelde: I think we decided that was for the theme, not the contenct.
[21:51] <ScottK> ... content
[21:52] <ScottK> So it should be fine
[21:52] <ryanakca> neversfelde: Ah, true. But I'll bump it up on the next theme update...
[21:52] <ryanakca> s/But //
[21:52] <neversfelde> ok :)
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> ooo, once dapper falls out of support nobody will file bugs against the old kopete source package :D
[21:53] <vorian> good luck with that thought
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> s/will/can
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> instead it will file it against the kdenetwork source package
[21:54] <vorian> woo hoo
[21:54] <vorian> finally tagged
[21:54] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: and 4 months later we don't have to worry about kde3 anymore
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> vorian: woohoo
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> a|wen: woo hoo
[21:54] <vorian> and tars!
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> :D
[21:55]  * vorian batgetorig's
[21:55] <vorian> whoopsie, wrong channel
[21:55] <vorian> /ignore vorian
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> lol
[21:55] <eagles0513875> lol
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> once dapper is dead we can close bug 50039
[21:56] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: do the sun java jre and jdk have to be packaged separatly
[21:56] <JontheEchidna> eagles0513875: no clue
[21:56] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: happens in kde4 as well on crash ... or it is not data loss, just an extra message that is like that
[21:57] <eagles0513875> reason i ask is it would be nice to be able to type in sun-java6 and it pulls both for you
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> a|wen: probably a different crash, I would think
[21:58] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: hehe, i'm almost certain you're right
[21:58] <JontheEchidna> the fix in question was also released, and just needed an SRU anyway
[21:58] <a|wen> well, don't empty your trash while disconnected imap traverses it ... ~50% that kmail crashes
[21:59] <JontheEchidna> I'd just close it since it's fixed in > Dapper and open a nomination for dapper, but it'd probably never get touched anyway
[21:59]  * JontheEchidna uses a pop3 account
[22:00] <a|wen> wait till june and close it
[22:01] <JontheEchidna> once k-hardy is dead we can have a field day >:)
[22:01] <a|wen> count me in :)
[22:02] <neversfelde> the debian/watch in the kshutdown package is not working anymore, kshutdown 2.0 is now a zip file. Does it have to be replaced with a get-orig-source rule or am I totally wrong?
[22:04] <JontheEchidna> I don't think there would be any reason a watch file wouldn't work with zips
[22:08] <neversfelde> at least uupdate will have a Problem with a zip file?
[22:08] <JontheEchidna> oh, yeah. it might
[22:08] <JontheEchidna> you might want to go with a get-orig rule
[22:09] <neversfelde> I will try it
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> http://kdepepo.wordpress.com/2009/04/30/argb-window-themes-in-dekorator/
[22:53] <neversfelde> mhh, I think I do not need a get-orig-source rule, becaus I can use uscan --repack, but what to do, when the ne dowlnoaded version has a wrong version like 2.0beta6 and it should be 2.0-beta6?
[22:54] <neversfelde> seems to be not so easy :)
[22:54] <a|wen> neversfelde: it should be 2.0~beta6
[22:54] <ScottK> neversfelde: No because that's higher than 2.0
[22:55] <a|wen> neversfelde: you want to play with the versionmangler then :)
[22:55] <ScottK> Which is exactly why Krusader has an epoch now in Debian in the Debian maintainer didn't notice that.
[22:55] <neversfelde> is it enough to change that in changelog?
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> yeah, unfortunate about the krusader thing :/
[22:57] <neversfelde> after uscan --repack it is "kshutdown (2.0beta6-1) jaunty; urgency=low
[22:57] <a|wen> neversfelde: that is wrong
[22:57] <neversfelde> yes should be 2.0~bate6
[22:58] <neversfelde> beta6
[22:58] <neversfelde> can I change it there or do I have to modifiy something before?
[22:58] <a|wen> neversfelde: you can get the versionmangler to do it in debian/watch ... just need to find how again
[22:58] <ScottK> You also have to redo the tarball to match
[22:59] <ScottK> If you get the versionmangler to manage it for you it's easier.
[22:59] <neversfelde> this is very confusing, I will try again,. Thank you so far
[23:00] <ScottK> We could probably dig up two or three more people to give you contrary advice if that would help?
[23:00] <JontheEchidna> heh
[23:01]  * eagles0513875 night
[23:02] <a|wen> neversfelde: the uscan man-page contains a bit about it
[23:02] <neversfelde> a|wen: I am currently there
[23:05] <a|wen> neversfelde: something like opts="uversionmangle=s/(alpha|beta|rc)/~$1/" is probably what you want
[23:05] <apachelogger> hm
[23:05] <apachelogger> who wants to report an uberawesome bug?
[23:05] <eagles0513875> upstream
[23:06] <a|wen> neversfelde: you might want to look at nemesis ... iirc it did ~ the same
[23:06] <apachelogger> not upstream, a packaging bug
[23:06] <a|wen> apachelogger: what did we do wrong now?
[23:06] <apachelogger> not we
[23:06] <apachelogger> the gnome doods
[23:06] <eagles0513875> i would if i knew how to package lol gonna figure that out on a newer svn build of kvirc 4.0
[23:06] <a|wen> oh ... that is not us
[23:07] <apachelogger> installing ant pulls in
[23:07] <apachelogger> libpulsecore9
[23:07] <apachelogger> gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio
[23:07] <apachelogger> pulseaudio
[23:07] <apachelogger> pulseaudio-est-compat
[23:07] <apachelogger> pulseaudio-module-hal
[23:07] <apachelogger> pulseaudio-module-x11
[23:07] <apachelogger> pulseaudio-utils
[23:07] <apachelogger> and varoius ttf fonts
[23:08] <apachelogger> I can live with the latter but why a "make like build tool" depends on an audio stack is clearly unkown to me
[23:09] <a|wen> i have a feeling it might all come down to the default jave pulling in all sorts of stuff
[23:10] <eagles0513875> dont even get me started with pulse audio its pissing me off like no other
[23:10] <neversfelde> a|wen: thanks, now it is kshutdown (2.0~beta6-1) jaunty; urgency=low
[23:10] <neversfelde> can I add 0ubuntu1 manually?
[23:11] <a|wen> neversfelde: np ... jup, you can change that manually
[23:11] <apachelogger> a|wen: I already have default jav
[23:11] <apachelogger> a
[23:11] <apachelogger> there is some bogus relation in one of it's recommends I'd suspect
[23:15]  * claydoh hobbles to the keyboard
[23:15] <claydoh> apachelogger: those qa dudes seem away or quiet :/
[23:15] <apachelogger> or they are hiding
[23:16] <a|wen> apachelogger: you already had openjdk-6-jre installed?
[23:16] <claydoh> but I did find out who to ask about kde.qa.ubuntu.com
[23:16]  * apachelogger thinks that digikam got too many buttons
[23:16] <claydoh> apachelogger: and have emailed both
[23:16] <claydoh> apachelogger: agrre on that, but i still love it
[23:17] <apachelogger> there needs to be some "I ain't care about geotagging and tags and what not" feature
[23:18] <apachelogger> also I find the sidebar designs weird, you won't know what a certion icon there does unless you either click it or leave the mouse long enough on it, to show the contextinfo
[23:18] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: if there any bugs that need upstreaming while im asleep feel free to pm me
[23:18] <eagles0513875> the will be part of my wake up routine
[23:18] <apachelogger> I should be asleep as well :P
[23:19] <eagles0513875> well if anyone has any bugs for upstream feel free to pm me
[23:19]  * apachelogger is actually tired as well and about every muscle hurts from being sick, but still he cannot sleep
[23:19] <apachelogger> awful
[23:19] <apachelogger> really
[23:19] <eagles0513875> and hopefully tomorrow at some point ill get to compiling a newer snapshot of the beta of kvirc 4.0 and package it some how
[23:19]  * ScottK suggests alcohol or morphone
[23:20] <ScottK> morphone/morphine
[23:20]  * eagles0513875 gonna miss the vodka till after the 19th of may
[23:20]  * eagles0513875 away
[23:20]  * apachelogger is actually on a tranquillizer
[23:20] <a|wen> apachelogger: hmm, installing ant here and i ain't got no pulseaudio
[23:20] <apachelogger> maybe I should top that with a sleeping pill
[23:21] <apachelogger> a|wen: with recommends enabled?
[23:21] <a|wen> apachelogger: jup
[23:21] <apachelogger> that is weird
[23:21] <apachelogger> a|wen: do you have the sun-java6 stack?
[23:22] <a|wen> apachelogger: ahh, that might be why
[23:22] <apachelogger> there are too many java stacks :P
[23:22] <a|wen> apachelogger: if you install it using aptitude -Wv install ant it should tell you why it wants pulseaudio
[23:23] <apachelogger> seele: do you think someone from openusability could do a review of digikam, the new version would be super awesome if it wasn't so hard to use
[23:23] <dtchen> a|wen: yeah, i saw that during the final day of install testing
[23:23] <apachelogger> though I must say that an expert review might take quite some time, digikam got billion of features
[23:24]  * a|wen fires up a jaunty chroot to test
[23:24] <neversfelde>  mhh, debians version of kshutdowns watch file only does a http://sf.net/kshutdown/kshutdown-source-(.*).zip
[23:25] <seele> apachelogger: openusability right now is me, jan, and a few people who only participate in the season of usability
[23:25] <seele> i did a usability test with digikam a few years ago.. it could probably do with another review this summer
[23:25] <a|wen> apachelogger: pulseaudio{a} (ant R: default-jdk D: openjdk-6-jdk D: openjdk-6-jre R: pulseaudio)
[23:25] <apachelogger> would be totally awesome :)
[23:26] <a|wen> it all comes down to openjdk-6-jre :(
[23:26] <apachelogger> hm
[23:26] <apachelogger> why would it be installing that if I got sun-java6-{jre,bin}?
[23:26] <apachelogger> sometimes dpkg is very limited IMHO :P
[23:27] <a|wen> apachelogger: -vW is your friend
[23:27] <apachelogger> a|wen: I suppose this wouldn't happen if sun-java6-jdk is installed .... still the issue is a monster, considering one might not have a stack installed
[23:28] <apachelogger> /home/me/tmp/bootchart-0.9/build.xml:51: Compile failed; see the compiler error output for details.
[23:28] <a|wen> apachelogger: agreed ... it makes no sense to have it a recommends; it should really be a suggests (at most)
[23:28] <apachelogger> \o/
[23:28] <apachelogger> java is so awesome
[23:28] <apachelogger> you can't even build stuff with a version that it has been testbuilt 4 years ago
[23:31]  * a|wen hopes he sense some sarcasm there :P
[23:32] <a|wen> can haz konqueror features+integration and arora speed?
[23:32] <apachelogger> no!
[23:32] <apachelogger> we must rewrite konqueror in java first
[23:33] <apachelogger> otherwise we might be able to recompile it with a stack that works today in 4 years time
[23:35] <a|wen> oh no! apachelogger has been infected by java! ... get him to the doctor, quick
[23:35] <apachelogger> ~order brain
[23:35]  * kubotu shouts: OMG!!!!! RED ALERT! We lost a brain. Get me a medic, NOW!
[23:37] <apachelogger> yay
[23:37] <apachelogger> it works with svn
[23:37] <apachelogger> hail svn!
[23:39] <a|wen> oh great; new svn snapshot in debian ... and it FTBFS on karmic
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> new svn of what?
[23:40] <a|wen> icecc-monitor
[23:40] <a|wen> my name for some reason appeared when searching in MoM
[23:42] <apachelogger> icecc
[23:42] <apachelogger> hrrhrr
[23:42] <apachelogger> ice ice age
[23:42] <apachelogger> wooohooo
[23:42]  * apachelogger bootcharted amarok \\o/
[23:42] <JontheEchidna> ice ice baby?
[23:43] <a|wen> oh well, i'd better go to bed
[23:47] <a|wen> night
[23:47] <a|wen> everyone
[23:47]  * txwikinger wonders why the notifications are duplicated now
[23:49] <JontheEchidna> Did you move the systray widget on to the desktop? That'll duplicate the notifications
[23:49] <JontheEchidna> also I've seen a bug where a user actually got two of the exclamation point icons in his tray
[23:52] <txwikinger> Only one exclamation point
[23:53] <txwikinger> And I cannot find another tray anywhere else
[23:53] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[23:54] <JontheEchidna> I've never seen it just do that before. Usually one just has to move it to the desktop from the panel
[23:56] <txwikinger> what is the command name for the systray? hp-systray?
[23:57] <JontheEchidna> since it's a plasma applet it doesn't have a command name