[00:14] <DanaG> "Launchpad will be going offline for maintenance   in six minutes. "
[00:14] <BUGabundo> it should be commign up soon
[01:13] <ienorand> Trying here instead: Hmm, I'm a bit confounded regarding packages/sauce here... if I download from [1] unpack and patch... what is the next step? There aint no configure or makefile... is it already a deb? How to shove it together in that case?
[01:13] <ienorand> [1] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/gnome-app-install/0.5.24-0ubuntu1.1
[01:17] <BUGabundo> ienorand: its sleep time!
[01:17] <ienorand> BUGabundo: true...
[01:23] <maxb> ienorand: Deb source packages, slightly unusually consist of (usually) 3 files. The .dsc is the key one.
[01:24] <maxb> There's a tool called dget which will download all of the files given just the URL to the .dsc
[01:24] <maxb> Unpacking is done with "dpkg-source -x file.dsc" (although dget will launch that automatically unless you tell it not to)
[01:25] <maxb> Building a debian package is performed with dpkg-buildpackage - you run this having cd-ed into the unpacked directory
[01:25] <maxb> Slightly surprisingly the first time you do it, the resulting built packages go into ../
[01:26] <maxb> dpkg-buildpackage flags of particular interest are:
[01:26] <maxb>  -uc -us to skip trying to gpg-sign the results
[01:26] <maxb>  -b to just build a binary package
[01:26] <maxb>  -S to just build a source package
[01:27] <maxb> debuild is a wrapper around dpkg-buildpackage which can do some extra useful things
[01:30] <ienorand> maxb: thanks, *goes into to the great terminal world to try his new-found knowledge...
[01:38] <BUGabundo> Bug 354563 is fixed in proposed YAY
[01:39] <ienorand> BUGabundo: Problem is, it hasn't hit the proposed-repo yet...
[01:39] <ienorand> It's a well-needed fix.
[01:40] <clearscreen> Is this now the karmic channel?
[01:40] <BUGabundo> clearscreen: yes
[01:41] <Pici> Abandon all hope ye who upgrade to Karmic
[01:41] <clearscreen> I know stuff is supposed to break.. but is the following bug known? firefox 3.0.10-nobinonly on the karmic repositories returns with "bus error", gdb reports that /usr/bin/firefox is not in valid executable format
[01:42] <clearscreen> if it isn't; where do I report it? launchpad?
[01:42] <ienorand> ...from what it seems, the "new theme" will be postponed to Karmic+1, *sigh
[01:43] <wgrant> ienorand: Where did you see this?
[01:43] <wgrant> clearscreen: You do not report bugs about karmic unless you really know what you're doing.
[01:43] <wgrant> clearscreen: And if you are asking, you don't.
[01:43] <clearscreen> wgrant: heh, alright
[01:46] <BUGabundo> clearscreen: #ubuntu-mozillateam or ML
[01:47] <ienorand> wgrant: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2009-April/010060.html
[01:47] <BUGabundo> ienorand: thanks
[01:47] <BUGabundo> that's bad news! :(
[01:48] <ienorand> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2009-April/thread.html three last posts, it's taken from an irc question session with M. Shuttleworth
[01:49] <wgrant> ienorand: Interesting. They promised a new one for Hardy, and Intrepid, and Jaunty, and Karmic, and now Karmic+1...
[01:49] <BUGabundo> :(
[01:50] <BUGabundo> let the "brown menace" continue
[01:50] <ienorand> Almost seems like the 'community' /unofficial art teams has to make the push, if anything is to happen...
[01:52] <ienorand> Like how Ryan puts it: "[they should] STFU and stop promising a new look."
[02:04] <ienorand> BUGabundo: Yay! Just built the new gnome-app-install, and search issue is gone, glad to see that one sorted, since it's a potential newb-slasher.
[02:05] <BUGabundo> ienorand: please state that on the bug, so it gets into -updates
[02:07] <ienorand> BUGabundo: already did :)
[02:57] <alex_mayorga> would Karmic break my system more than Jaunty?
[02:58] <Pici> ahaha. Yes.
[02:59] <Pici> alex_mayorga: Wait a bit if you want to be on the bleeding edge, Alpha 1 isn't even out yet.
[03:02] <alex_mayorga> anyone knows if Intel Corporation 82830 CGC is broken on Jaunty?
[03:03] <Pici> alex_mayorga: Ask in #ubuntu. +1 is for Karmic only at this point.
[05:56] <shadeslayer> is there a feature list available for karmic?
[05:57] <crdlb> yes, but it's completely empty :)
[05:57] <shadeslayer> heh
[05:58] <crdlb> unless you consider not catching your computer on fire a feature, and I'm not even sure about that one
[05:59] <shadeslayer> crdlb: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1831 outlines some of the features
[06:00] <crdlb> none of those are features yet :)
[06:00] <shadeslayer> crdlb: probable features :P
[06:00] <shadeslayer> new splash images,faster boot times,etc
[06:00] <genii> Not causing fires seems like a worthwhile goal.
[06:01] <billybigrigger> don't know how you can reduce boot times any more
[06:01] <billybigrigger> 15s is pretty quick :P
[06:01] <shadeslayer> billybigrigger: 15 sec :O ,im getting 25
[06:01] <billybigrigger> maybe booting from a SSD might give you a few more seconds
[06:01]  * billybigrigger goes to check his bootchart
[06:01] <billybigrigger> i remember when i was running alpha 4-6 i was getting 15-16s
[06:02] <shadeslayer> billybigrigger: ah...SSD i have a 5400 RPM drive,maybe thats why
[06:02] <billybigrigger> i've added alot of junk to my system, apache,mysql,php, and a mailserver
[06:02] <billybigrigger> 7200 here
[06:02] <shadeslayer> yeah thats why
[06:05] <billybigrigger> http://www.thefrozencanuck.ca/bootchart1.png
[06:05] <billybigrigger> and bootchart2.png
[06:05] <billybigrigger> look at the differences
[06:07] <shadeslayer> billybigrigger: whoa...10 sec difference
[06:07] <billybigrigger> yeah
[06:07] <billybigrigger> i might have had my SATA disk in there, im pretty sure this PATA disk i have for a root disk is pretty old and slow
[06:08] <shadeslayer> the second is ext 3?
[06:08] <billybigrigger> oh and i might have had ext4 there
[06:08] <billybigrigger> nope both r ext3
[06:09] <shadeslayer> ah,so if you convert to ext 4 youll be getting 10 sec of boot time :O
[06:11] <billybigrigger> i think ext4 claims to boot faster iirc
[06:12] <shadeslayer> yep it actually does boot faster
[06:21] <shadeslayer> billybigrigger: http://blog.laptopmag.com/ubuntu-netbook-remix-qa-with-canonical
[06:21] <shadeslayer> far-fetched
[06:22] <billybigrigger> What’s the boot time like?
[06:22] <billybigrigger> It’s about 5 to 10 seconds.
[06:22] <billybigrigger> lol
[06:22] <billybigrigger> ya right anyone have a a netbook to corfirm this statement?
[11:54] <coder_> my system has no sound
[11:55] <coder_> Could you help me?
[11:55] <joaopinto> coder_, unless you are using karmic, please ask on #ubuntu
[11:55] <coder_> get it
[11:59] <dns53> why is this channel open anyway, they normally block access to it till the alphas
[12:00] <joaopinto> dns53, karmic is already available.... for development
[12:00] <dns53> wow is it
[12:02] <ripps> I don't bother with development version until about alpha 3, that's when all the new features start coming in
[12:03] <ripps> and with that, you probably won't hear from for until then.
[12:36] <coder_> i am back, my ubuntu still has no sound. When i start my system,i get a warning/error " pulse audio  ... pre-user session".
[12:37] <coder_> and there is  a strange thing, i can hear the sound at the login window
[12:38] <bazhang> #ubuntu for jaunty help coder_
[12:39] <coder_> get it ,
[14:24] <lubosz> hi
[14:24] <lubosz> lol karmic koala
[17:01] <BUGabundo> bom dia
[17:07] <charlie-tca> Good Morning
[17:29] <BUGabundo> hi charlie-tca
[17:29] <BUGabundo> how did xubuntu class go?
[17:30] <charlie-tca> Monday's was great! Now I have one at 1800 UTC today, too
[17:31] <BUGabundo> i know
[17:31] <BUGabundo> i saw the schedule
[21:01] <tux11> how far out is 9.10?
[21:01] <calc> tux11: 9.10
[21:01] <calc> tux11: 2009 Oct
[21:02] <ienorand> tux11: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule no alpha yet
[21:03] <ienorand> tux11: no livecds yet
[21:04] <tux11> ok
[21:04] <tux11> running 9.04 stable
[21:04] <calc> there isn't much to put on a livecd yet
[21:04] <tux11> any talk of ubuntu becoming a rolling relase?
[21:04] <calc> it only opened for commits 2 days ago
[21:04] <calc> tux11: no
[21:04] <calc> that almost certainly won't happen
[21:05] <tux11> well i went from beta to stable via the command line
[21:06] <calc> rolling release roughly means any given snapshot of the archive is 'stable' which would require way too much effort to be doable
[21:07] <calc> at least for level of 'stable' that ubuntu strives for
[21:07] <calc> tux11: you can generally upgrade between different versions of ubuntu as long as you upgrade along the way but that is something very different from a 'rolling release'
[21:12] <tux11> ok
[21:13] <tux11> i sit fair to say ubuntu wants to"trump" windows very soon?
[21:13] <calc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_release
[21:13] <calc> perhaps eventually though i doubt it will happen very soon
[21:13] <calc> windows still has ~ 90% market share i think
[21:14] <tux11> ok
[21:38] <alphaaquilae> hello, when i try to establish a vpn connexion , i have this faillure mesg : resolvconf: Error: /etc/resolv.conf must be a symlink
[21:43] <tux11> hmmm
[22:06] <tux11> any reason why open box now fails?
[22:12] <tux11> any one using open box?
[22:39] <gravityreloaded> !jaunty
[22:39] <gravityreloaded> Are we still discussing jaunty here?
[22:41] <gravityreloaded> I would like to install a VJing software. Can anyone help me locate a good program? Something like Resolume?
[22:44] <gravityreloaded> I tried freemix but useless
[22:56] <charlie-tca> I would try #ubuntu for help, this channel is for karmic now
[22:58] <omegamormegil> When should new versions of the kernel be available in the Karmic repository?
[23:01] <charlie-tca> I don't know. Just opened two days ago.
[23:08] <BUGabundo> boa noite
[23:09] <charlie-tca> Is that good night? or good evening?
[23:12] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: Portuguese for "good night"
[23:12] <charlie-tca> Good night, BUGabundo
[23:12] <charlie-tca> found it
[23:16] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: found what?
[23:16] <charlie-tca> "boa noite"
[23:17] <BUGabundo> eheh