[00:30] <ds305> Hey all, looking for a gedit user, especially one who does scripting with it. But anyone will do. ;-)
[00:34] <Taim> scripting with it?
[00:34] <Taim> you mean writing plugins or using it for scripting?
[00:34] <ds305> No, I'm looking to make sure a tab no longer exists. Thanks.
[00:34] <ds305> Thanks. I'm updating the gedit wiki page here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/gedit   It shows a Highlight Syntax tab. I need confirmation it no longer exists.
[00:35] <ds305> You get to it via Edit, Prefs, but I think it's been removed from later versions of gedit.
[00:35] <Taim> It is gone.
[00:35] <Taim> I have: View, Editor, Font & Colors and Plugins.
[00:36] <ds305> TY. If I could ask another question.  Do you have an entry in the bottom status bar ... I think you just answered my next one.
[00:36] <ds305> The bottom bar has the type of code. I suppose that is the Editor entry.
[00:36] <Taim> Yes, there is a drop-bar at the botom with they syntax type.
[00:37] <Taim> Do you want fresh screenshots?  I can fire them up to my site for you to snarf.
[00:37] <ds305> I've taken the screen shots but haven't uploaded them. I wanted to make sure the Highlight Syntax tab didn't exist.
[00:38] <ds305> The bottom status bar on mine seems a bit different than yours. I'm using 2.26.1
[00:38] <Taim> Same here.
[00:39] <ds305> I appears the bottom changes according to what file is open (besides the syntax window).
[00:39] <ds305> Maybe not, but I don't see the Plugins window, just syntax, tab width and line info.
[00:40] <Taim> Same here.
[00:40] <Taim> OH!
[00:40] <Taim> OK.
[00:40] <Taim> I was looking at the settings tab in edit, preferences.
[00:40] <ds305> Ah, ok.
[00:40] <Taim> The status bar shows:  doc type, tab, line, column and "INS"
[00:41] <ds305> Same here. Do you recall ever using/seeing the Highlight Syntax tab. I think it's been gone since 2.18, which was about 7.10 IIRC.
[00:42] <ds305> I never used it and it took me a long time this afternoon to determine it was no longer around.
[00:43] <ds305> Thanks for your assistance Taim.
[00:50] <Taim> No problem
[00:50] <Rocket2DMn> nhandler, wanna help me with bzr?
[01:05] <nhandler> Rocket2DMn: We're about to eat dinner. Are you going to be online in about 30-45 minutes?
[01:06] <Rocket2DMn> yeah nhandler
[01:06] <Rocket2DMn> go eat :)
[01:33] <Rocket2DMn> lol mail spam on bug fixes mdke !
[02:00] <cody-somerville> mdke, fyi, I'm not ignoring all the great threads on ubuntu-doc - just been busy with work and the release.
[20:47] <mfitzhugh> Hi all - Could someone lend me a hand with a newbie bzr problem, please?
[20:55] <mfitzhugh> I just need to figure out how to "reset" my local copy of karmic system docs
[20:58] <mdke> mfitzhugh: sure, just a sec - phone call
[20:58] <mfitzhugh> Thanks!
[21:16] <mdke> mfitzhugh: sorry, I'm here now
[21:16] <mdke> mfitzhugh: so do you want to undo changes that you've made? losing them forever?
[21:16] <mfitzhugh> Cool, thanks mdke. So I'm trying to make sure I have all the latest karmic docs before diving into a bug
[21:17] <mfitzhugh> Yes. I want a clean slate
[21:17] <mdke> have you committed any changes with "bzr commit"?
[21:18] <mfitzhugh> I commited one file yesterday during emma-janes bzr demo in Open Week
[21:18] <mdke> ok, so if you've just done one commit, you can run "bzr uncommit" in the tree
[21:19] <mfitzhugh> Just issue "bzr uncommit" on its own? Or do I need to specify the file I committed
[21:19] <mdke> on its own will be fine
[21:20] <mdke> (I hope)
[21:20] <mfitzhugh> O.k. Did that. Now "bzr merge"?
[21:20] <mdke> do "bzr status" to see if you have any uncommitted changes
[21:22] <mfitzhugh> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/161675/
[21:22] <mdke> hmm, you have a conflict there
[21:23] <mdke> that happens when you merge something which conflicts with your own branch
[21:23] <mdke> to undo your local changes, do "bzr revert"
[21:24] <mfitzhugh> Hmmm... mabye that happened when I was screwing around on my own trying to figure things out earlier today. Ok... here's what I got
[21:24] <mfitzhugh> R   about-ubuntu/C/about-ubuntu.xml.OTHER => about-ubuntu/C/about-ubuntu.xml
[21:24] <mfitzhugh> M  debian/changelog
[21:25] <mdke> now see if "bzr status" gives you anything
[21:25] <mfitzhugh> Clean!
[21:25] <mdke> jolly good
[21:25] <mfitzhugh> So I should be back in sync now?
[21:25] <mdke> now let's just check for good order what revision you have
[21:25] <mdke> do "bzr log -l 4"
[21:26] <mdke> bzr log will dump all the revision history, and the -l 4 bit gives you the last 4 revisions
[21:26] <mfitzhugh> Yup. I'm up to revno: 289
[21:27] <mdke> ok, the latest in the branch on Launchpad is 290, so you can do "bzr pull lp:ubuntu-doc/karmic"
[21:28] <mdke> (the "karmic" bit isn't strictly necessary, because lp:ubuntu-doc defaults to karmic at the moment, but I put it in so that if you happen to get other branches, you see how it works)
[21:28] <mdke> in fact, just "bzr pull" on its own is normally enough, because bzr remembers the pull location
[21:28] <mfitzhugh> Ok. Now I'm up to revno: 290. Cool! Thanks for the help! It's been a while since I've used version control.
[21:28] <mdke> no worries
[21:29] <mdke> each revision control system is different :)
[21:29] <mdke> so what are you working on?
[21:29] <mfitzhugh> So true. -- I'm trying to tackle https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/129505
[21:29] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 129505 in ubuntu-docs "Docs required on desktop search tools" [Wishlist,New]
[21:30] <mdke> cool
[21:30] <mdke> that bug raises a little twist to the usual procedures
[21:30] <mdke> if you're looking at amending the "user-guide" document, you should be aware that this document isn't present in ubuntu-docs
[21:31] <mdke> it's a document that we get from upstream, and is found in the gnome-user-docs package
[21:31] <mdke> so we have a different bzr branch for that document
[21:32] <mfitzhugh> I'm not really sure what I'm doing yet, but I'm sure I'll figure it out with help. -- Oh! That's good to know. I was thinking it was a matter of altering and ubuntu-doc to link to a gnome doc. What's the branch for the gnome docs?
[21:32] <mdke> here: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/gnome-user-docs/ubuntu-karmic
[21:32] <mfitzhugh> So I need to bzr pull lp:https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/gnome-user-docs/ubuntu-karmic
[21:32] <mfitzhugh> Is that right
[21:33] <mdke> not quite
[21:33] <mdke> you do:
[21:33] <mdke> bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-core-doc/gnome-user-docs/ubuntu-karmic
[21:33] <mdke> if you ever forget, it's written towards the top of the Launchpad page for the branch
[21:34] <mfitzhugh> Oh, I see. b/c branch is for creating new copies while pull is to turn a branch into a mirror of another branch
[21:34] <mdke> you can use http addresses with bzr, but if you do, you would remove the "lp:" bit, and the branch you get wouldn't support write access
[21:34] <mdke> yes, that's right
[21:35] <mfitzhugh> Cool. You just saved me a ton of confusion. Thanks! Any other pointers or tips on this oneL
[21:36] <mdke> the other question to consider would be whether it's a change that should be submitted directly to Gnome, upstream, or which we should do in our branch
[21:36] <mdke> we don't have to decide that now
[21:37] <mdke> but in any event my initial thought would be that we should do the change in our branch, because tracker isn't officially part of Gnome, as I understand it
[21:38] <philip_> that was wordy ;)
[21:38] <philip_> is there a recommended ubuntu vmware appliance for doc writing?
[21:38] <mfitzhugh> But it's part of the Ubuntu distro's Gnome :-) I understand (I think)
[21:38] <mdke> right
[21:39] <mfitzhugh> Cool. Alright. Off to work with me. Thanks again, mdke!
[21:39] <mdke> philip_: don't think so - but I might not understand the question
[21:39] <mdke> mfitzhugh: no worries, good luck
[21:39] <mdke> mfitzhugh: feel free to mail the list if you get stuck
[21:39] <mfitzhugh> Will do
[21:42] <philip_> or generally a good ubuntu virtual machine... that can later be setup to write docs for SystemDocumentation
[21:43] <mdke> philip_: if you run Ubuntu already, then you don't need a virtual machine, right?
[21:43] <mdke> in Windows, I use virtualbox
[21:43] <philip_> i run mac, and want something for vmware fusion
[21:44] <mdke> ah, I don't know. I only just discovered virtualbox, and love it to bits
[21:44] <philip_> yeah, i'm fairly new too and love it
[21:44] <mdke> you could give it a try if you like
[21:45] <mdke> it says it runs on mac
[21:46] <philip_> okay, here goes!
[21:46] <mdke> :)
[21:46] <mdke> you download a standard Ubuntu iso and then just install using it (no need to burn to a CD)
[21:47] <philip_> sometimes it's nice to already have it all setup by some intelligent geek so we don't have to worry about it :)
[21:49] <DougieRichardson> phil uses VM for his writing
[21:49] <mdke> philip_: is that what vmware does?
[21:50] <DougieRichardson> mdke: you can download pre-configured vmware images
[21:51] <mdke> I see
[21:54] <DougieRichardson> vmwares player is free but the server wasn't (not sure if is now or not), hence you needed someone to make the images
[22:27] <philip_> yeah, sometimes it's nice because it's simple, fast, and typically less to download... also simple to try all sorts of distros and stuff people make
[22:34] <philip_> ideally a nice vmware appliance would exist that has all the desired tools setup
[22:41] <mdke> philip_: that would be cool, definitely
[22:43] <philip_> am setting up virtualbox now. should i be playing with some developmental version of ubuntu or stick with 9.04?
[22:43] <mdke> the next version is pretty much just started, so there isn't much to play with at the moment
[22:43] <mdke> I'd go with 9.04
[22:44] <mdke> if you want to upgrade, you can save the state and upgrade, then revert to the saved state if it goes wrong :)
[22:45] <philip_> saving states is for the weak!
[22:45] <mdke> heh
[22:45] <philip_> am trying Netbook Remix for kicks, this will be fine?
[22:45] <mdke> sure
[22:47] <mdke> netbook remix comes with an easy way of switching to the regular desktop
[22:48] <dsas_> is there any reason for keeping the various alt & f2 methods of running apps rather than just using the menus>
[22:49] <mdke> dsas_: only for programs which aren't in the menu
[22:51] <dsas_> mdke: Thought as much, we have both methods in some places. Just so that the user has the choice of which way they want to start the app.
[22:51] <dsas_> would be nice if we could have a button to click to start an app.
[22:51] <mdke> oh yeah
[22:51] <mdke> I wonder if that could b done
[23:12] <dsas_> mdke: not currently as far as I can tell.
[23:13] <dsas_> I think yelp passes a lot of that stuff on to gecko
[23:13] <mdke> dsas_: ok, not to worry. The menu entry is the right way to go then IMO
[23:54] <mdke> wow, fooka has rocked the wiki today
[23:54] <mdke> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecentChanges
[23:55] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: is he one of your soldiers?
[23:55] <j1mc> :)
[23:56] <j1mc> mdke: do you find it difficult to document ubuntu if you primarily use kubuntu?
[23:57] <j1mc> holy cow that is a lot of edits
[23:57] <mdke> j1mc: I don't use kubuntu
[23:58] <j1mc> hm, I thought I saw a whole bunch of kubuntu team memberships on your LP page
[23:59] <mdke> j1mc: indirect membership I guess