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| persia | Who's here for the Java Meeting? | 15:08 |
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| effie_jayx | me | 15:19 |
| persia | OK. Let's do it then :) | 15:21 |
| persia | Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/Meeting | 15:23 |
| persia | Roadmap and specs for Karmic. | 15:23 |
| persia | None of the roadmap reps seem to be present, so we'll skip that. | 15:23 |
| persia | (I suspect it's a holiday week or something) | 15:23 |
| persia | Anyone have any specs for Karmic they want to highlight, or shall we review again next week? | 15:23 |
| persia | OK. Let's take that up next week. | 15:24 |
| persia | Any other business? | 15:24 |
| persia | effie_jayx, You have anything? | 15:26 |
| imbrandon | quick meeting :) | 15:26 |
| effie_jayx | persia, nope Just Though I could join | 15:26 |
| persia | Right. Meeting adjourned then. | 15:26 |
| persia | imbrandon, Always happens that way when nobody shows. Usually it's 20-30 minutes, and we actually go over some stuff. | 15:26 |
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| NCommander | #startmeeting | 22:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 16:00. The chair is NCommander. | 22:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 22:00 |
| NCommander | [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090430 | 22:00 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090430 | 22:00 |
| NCommander | StevenK, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090430 | 22:01 |
| StevenK | Am I late? | 22:01 |
| NCommander | StevenK, no, I just posted the link right before you joined. | 22:01 |
| StevenK | If #startmeeting has happened, I am late :-/ | 22:02 |
| NCommander | StevenK, oh, well :-/ | 22:02 |
| NCommander | I'll wait until 17:01 next time | 22:02 |
| NCommander | Anyway | 22:02 |
| NCommander | [topic] Action Item Review | 22:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Action Item Review | 22:02 |
| NCommander | [topic] NCommander to investigate #338148 | 22:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: NCommander to investigate #338148 | 22:02 |
| NCommander | Its on my plate, I poked it. It poked back. Carry over :-/ | 22:02 |
| NCommander | No lool, so | 22:02 |
| NCommander | [topic] GrueMaster to test newer version of Hildon Desktop to see if it resolves cat kills MID bug | 22:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: GrueMaster to test newer version of Hildon Desktop to see if it resolves cat kills MID bug | 22:03 |
| GrueMaster | Tripped over moblin stuff. CO. | 22:03 |
| StevenK | I have related news | 22:03 |
| NCommander | StevenK, ? | 22:03 |
| StevenK | There is a newer hildon-desktop in Debian that MoM is reporting on, so maybe Karmic will just fix it ... | 22:03 |
| persia | regarding lool's action item: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-karmic-arm-cloud-builds | 22:04 |
| NCommander | StevenK, who usually does hildon-desktop merges? | 22:04 |
| StevenK | Whoever loses | 22:04 |
| NCommander | not it | 22:04 |
| NCommander | :-) | 22:04 |
| NCommander | I'll add that I can't reproduce this issue on MER which is based on newer hildon-desktop's then we have in jaunty or karmic | 22:04 |
| NCommander | GrueMaster, if I end up looking at the merge, I'll test this (most of my merges are done already) | 22:05 |
| GrueMaster | Ok. | 22:05 |
| NCommander | [topic] ogra to rebuild gnome-keyring-daemon to troubleshoot #328167 | 22:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ogra to rebuild gnome-keyring-daemon to troubleshoot #328167 | 22:05 |
| NCommander | ogra, ping? | 22:06 |
| ogra | sorry | 22:06 |
| StevenK | ogra! | 22:06 |
| StevenK | ogra: *prod* | 22:06 |
| ogra | didnt we want to drop that one from the weekly list ? | 22:06 |
| NCommander | ogra, I had it as an action item | 22:07 |
| ogra | drop it ... | 22:07 |
| NCommander | Gone | 22:07 |
| ogra | thanks | 22:07 |
| NCommander | ... *kicks the wiki* | 22:07 |
| NCommander | [topic] Bugs of Interest to the Ubuntu Mobile Team | 22:08 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Bugs of Interest to the Ubuntu Mobile Team | 22:08 |
| NCommander | We've already discussed the VNC one | 22:09 |
| NCommander | [topic] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/337809 | 22:09 |
| MootBot | New Topic: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/337809 | 22:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 337809 in linux "APIC error on CPU 0" [Undecided,New] | 22:09 |
| NCommander | GrueMaster, can you still reproduce this bug on lpia? | 22:09 |
| GrueMaster | Yes. | 22:10 |
| * NCommander kicks LP hard | 22:10 | |
| GrueMaster | Although we are supposed to get new boards soon. | 22:10 |
| GrueMaster | Oddly, it does not happen with moblin1 | 22:10 |
| NCommander | GrueMaster, on what machine is this bug on? (I'm just not seeing that in the bug now that I'm re-reviewing it) | 22:10 |
| ogra | hmm, i saw the same bug today in #ltsp with a via C3 based CPU and -genric | 22:11 |
| GrueMaster | CrownBeach. I also remember seeing it on some test systems when I was at Intel. | 22:11 |
| NCommander | GrueMaster, and it doesn't happen with a i386 kernel? | 22:11 |
| GrueMaster | It goes away with acpi=ht on the kernel commandline. | 22:11 |
| GrueMaster | I haven't tested i386 recently. | 22:12 |
| StevenK | I didn't think those CPUs supported hyperthreading? | 22:12 |
| * GrueMaster fires up CB with UNR. | 22:12 | |
| NCommander | StevenK, its probably something unrelated that prevents the bug from triggering | 22:12 |
| GrueMaster | The Crownbeach does. Mainly for the higher end market segment (that apparently never happened). | 22:12 |
| NCommander | The easiest way to see if its a config issue is if an i386 kernel works, rebuild the lpia kernel w/ the same config file, and see if its either the compiler flags, or something stranger | 22:13 |
| GrueMaster | I seem to remember a patch to fix this when I was at Intel. | 22:14 |
| NCommander | GrueMaster, its probably something we want to try an isolate | 22:14 |
| GrueMaster | I'll add it to my todo list. | 22:14 |
| StevenK | The lpia config ought to be fairly identical | 22:14 |
| NCommander | GrueMaster, I don't mind working to debug this with you since things have quieted down somewhat | 22:14 |
| NCommander | StevenK, you'd think that :-/ | 22:14 |
| NCommander | StevenK, its not. | 22:14 |
| StevenK | Remind me to kick Tim | 22:15 |
| NCommander | StevenK, its part of what broke the alternate CDs for so long. | 22:15 |
| * ogra thought the same at least for jaunty | 22:15 | |
| StevenK | Or parade killing lpia some more | 22:15 |
| NCommander | StevenK, sadly enough, Kubuntu is actually promoting lpia usage on Atom based machines -_-;;;; | 22:15 |
| NCommander | StevenK, and I can now see users on popcon due to people installing with the alternate | 22:16 |
| * ogra points StevenK to http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/19409/ | 22:16 | |
| ogra | have fun in karmic :P | 22:16 |
| * NCommander can hear the OW from here :-/ | 22:16 | |
| NCommander | Indicently, can we make MID not be lpia specific anymore? | 22:16 |
| NCommander | [action] GrueMaster and NCommander to debug #337809 | 22:17 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: GrueMaster and NCommander to debug #337809 | 22:17 |
| NCommander | [action] StevenK to follow up with Tim on lpia kernel configuration | 22:17 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: StevenK to follow up with Tim on lpia kernel configuration | 22:17 |
| persia | Um, MID *isn't* lpia-specific. You fixed that at the beginning of Jaunty. | 22:18 |
| NCommander | persia, rephrase, build images that aren't MID-lpia :-P | 22:18 |
| persia | cdimage just doesn's host any non-lpia images. | 22:18 |
| NCommander | persia, well, if we still want MID, we probably should make it non-lpia specific | 22:19 |
| * GrueMaster can't get usb ports to respond at the moment on his CB. sigh. | 22:20 | |
| persia | Again, it's *not* specific. It's just which images are hosted. One can build MID images for sparc, if one can get a sparc MID. | 22:20 |
| ogra | do we need to have that discuaaion now ? | 22:21 |
| NCommander | no | 22:21 |
| ogra | *discussion | 22:21 |
| ogra | right | 22:21 |
| NCommander | Lets move on | 22:21 |
| NCommander | [topic] Specification Review for UDS | 22:21 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Specification Review for UDS | 22:21 |
| NCommander | Anyone have any specifications we should discuss now before UDS? | 22:22 |
| ogra | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/KarmicSpecifications | 22:22 |
| NCommander | [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/KarmicSpecifications | 22:22 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/KarmicSpecifications | 22:22 |
| ogra | davidm asked NCommander and me to take a look at brainstorm for possible additional specs | 22:23 |
| ogra | i added the "Things spotted on brainstorm that might be of interest" section on the above page | 22:23 |
| ogra | though i dont think there is actually anything thats really intresting i tried to pick out what could remotely be of any interest | 22:24 |
| NCommander | personally, I'm amazed there is community interest in a UNR lpia image | 22:25 |
| StevenK | There's a spec on that already | 22:25 |
| NCommander | StevenK, the link is broken, or Launchpad is | 22:25 |
| davidm | We can use some more, most of the items you found ogra are more for I suspect foundations team :-/ | 22:25 |
| ogra | yes | 22:26 |
| ogra | there is not much more | 22:26 |
| StevenK | unr-karmic-other-arches, whatever davidm renamed it too | 22:26 |
| NCommander | There aren't a huge amount of ones beside the ones ogra found that I would add. | 22:26 |
| ogra | these were the highest quality items i could find | 22:26 |
| ogra | and i went through all 36 pages | 22:26 |
| davidm | Ouch, oh well | 22:26 |
| davidm | Wow, thanks, I did not realize you had hit them all | 22:26 |
| NCommander | anyone have any specs we want to discuss? | 22:28 |
| NCommander | Going once | 22:28 |
| NCommander | Going twice | 22:29 |
| persia | Different question: does anyone have any specs that *aren't* listed on KarmicSpecifications? | 22:29 |
| NCommander | BTW, sidenote: most of the links fromt he KarmicSpecifications page are broken due to the specs being renamed | 22:31 |
| NCommander | anyway | 22:32 |
| NCommander | [topic] New Ubuntu Mobile' Memberships | 22:32 |
| MootBot | New Topic: New Ubuntu Mobile' Memberships | 22:32 |
| NCommander | [topic] GrueMaster | 22:32 |
| MootBot | New Topic: GrueMaster | 22:32 |
| cody-somerville | -1 | 22:32 |
| cody-somerville | :P | 22:33 |
| NCommander | GrueMaster, why don't you introduce yourself briefly, and provide us a link to your wiki page | 22:33 |
| StevenK | cody-somerville: You're no member, fail | 22:34 |
| NCommander | GrueMaster, ping? | 22:34 |
| GrueMaster | Well, I have been working with Linux since ~1995, with my first kernel patch accepted in 1999. I did most of my Linux development work while at Intel. | 22:34 |
| GrueMaster | I type a little slower than most, so bear with me. | 22:35 |
| GrueMaster | Most recently, I have been active with Alsa development for HD Audio driver support and testing Linux on MID and Mobile systems. | 22:35 |
| GrueMaster | Most of my background is in testing and debugging issues. I have done some automation development work in the past as well. | 22:37 |
| GrueMaster | I have been working with ubuntu-mobile since August 2007 while on contract at Intel (finished in Sept, 2008), and am now working with Canonical on testing Ubuntu on various mobile platforms. | 22:38 |
| GrueMaster | Not much more to add. | 22:38 |
| NCommander | GrueMaster, link to your wiki page? | 22:39 |
| GrueMaster | Oh, vote for me and I'll share my beer brewing recipies with you at UDS. | 22:39 |
| GrueMaster | Will post a wiki later today. | 22:39 |
| GrueMaster | (wasn't previously informed that I needed one). | 22:40 |
| plars | I don't recall seeing anything about that on the membership information on the mobile page | 22:40 |
| plars | probably should be added | 22:40 |
| NCommander | If there are no objections, I'd like to start the vote for GrueMaster | 22:40 |
| NCommander | Ok then | 22:41 |
| NCommander | [VOTE] Accept GrueMaster into members | 22:41 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: Accept GrueMaster into members. | 22:41 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 22:41 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 22:41 |
| NCommander | +1 | 22:41 |
| MootBot | +1 received from NCommander. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 22:41 |
| StevenK | +1 | 22:41 |
| MootBot | +1 received from StevenK. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 22:41 |
| davidm | +1 | 22:41 |
| MootBot | +1 received from davidm. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 22:41 |
| ogra | +1 | 22:41 |
| MootBot | +1 received from ogra. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 22:41 |
| GrueMaster | +1 | 22:42 |
| MootBot | +1 received from GrueMaster. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 | 22:42 |
| persia | +1 from me: long overdue, given several cycles of testing and bug work. | 22:42 |
| MootBot | +1 received from persia. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6 | 22:42 |
| ogra | haha | 22:42 |
| * NCommander will give the vote another minute before closing | 22:43 | |
| cody-somerville | -1 | 22:43 |
| MootBot | -1 received from cody-somerville. 6 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 | 22:43 |
| ogra | everyone who is alloed to vote did vote, why another minute ? | 22:43 |
| ogra | ah, for cody | 22:43 |
| NCommander | cody-somerville is a mobile team member? | 22:43 |
| cody-somerville | muhahaha | 22:43 |
| ogra | xubuntu conspiracy | 22:43 |
| NCommander | Anyway | 22:43 |
| NCommander | ogra, uh, what conspiracy? | 22:43 |
| NCommander | [endvote] | 22:44 |
| MootBot | Final result is 6 for, 1 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5 | 22:44 |
| NCommander | The vote passes. | 22:44 |
| persia | Err, no. Cody isn't in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/+members | 22:44 |
| NCommander | [action] davidm to add GrueMaster to ~ubuntu-mobile | 22:44 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: davidm to add GrueMaster to ~ubuntu-mobile | 22:44 |
| NCommander | And for our second new member | 22:44 |
| NCommander | [topic] plars | 22:45 |
| MootBot | New Topic: plars | 22:45 |
| NCommander | plars, care to introduce yourself and provide a link to your wikipage (if you have one) | 22:45 |
| plars | I'm kind of in the same boat on the wiki page | 22:45 |
| plars | I'll update it later today, probably pretty much with what I'm saying here | 22:45 |
| plars | I've been using Linux since about 93 | 22:45 |
| plars | didn't really get involved in participating more than that until about 2000 though when I started in LTC at IBM | 22:46 |
| davidm | NCommander, GrueMaster added | 22:46 |
| NCommander | davidm, thanks | 22:46 |
| plars | I did primarily test stuff there, heavy focus on kernel testing, LTP Maintainership (actually, kinda kicked off the migration to sourceforge and making it a more widely participated in project) | 22:47 |
| plars | I've also worked on some other things, like xen, and linux clusters (including one that was around #26 on the top 500 for a while :) | 22:47 |
| plars | In the past month or so that I've been working on ubuntu mobile activities | 22:47 |
| plars | I've been doing daily snapshot testing of mid, unr and arm builds | 22:48 |
| plars | writing testplans for iso tracker testing | 22:48 |
| plars | conducting tests of iso images and reporting results | 22:48 |
| plars | I've also written some tests and contributed to the checkbox and ubuntu-desktop-testing projects, starting to try to get more involved in those | 22:48 |
| plars | bug triaging, testing fixes, helping with things like the bisection we did a while back for gnome-keyring-daemon | 22:49 |
| plars | I try to help out wherever I can, and learn as much as possible in the process :) | 22:49 |
| NCommander | [vote] Accept plars into Ubuntu Mobile membership? | 22:49 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: Accept plars into Ubuntu Mobile membership?. | 22:49 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 22:49 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 22:49 |
| NCommander | +1 | 22:49 |
| MootBot | +1 received from NCommander. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 22:49 |
| ogra | +1 | 22:49 |
| MootBot | +1 received from ogra. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 22:49 |
| davidm | +1 | 22:49 |
| MootBot | +1 received from davidm. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 22:49 |
| GrueMaster | +1 | 22:49 |
| MootBot | +1 received from GrueMaster. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 22:49 |
| StevenK | +1 | 22:50 |
| MootBot | +1 received from StevenK. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 | 22:50 |
| persia | -1 : I'd like to see at least 2 or 3 months of contributions before granting membership in the group. | 22:50 |
| MootBot | -1 received from persia. 5 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 22:50 |
| * plars promises to try to stick around a few more months :) | 22:51 | |
| cody-somerville | -1 | 22:52 |
| MootBot | -1 received from cody-somerville. 5 for, 2 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 22:52 |
| cody-somerville | -1 | 22:52 |
| cody-somerville | doh | 22:52 |
| NCommander | lol | 22:52 |
| cody-somerville | cheating isn't allowed :( | 22:52 |
| * cody-somerville probably shouldn't be fooling around with your votes :P | 22:52 | |
| persia | cody-somerville, Indeed (unless you want to join the team). | 22:53 |
| * StevenK kicks cody-somerville in the -1 | 22:53 | |
| cody-somerville | Do I get some ARM hardware if I do? | 22:53 |
| persia | cody-somerville, Erm, no, but you get commit rights to the bzr branches. | 22:56 |
| NCommander | persia, and bragging rights for your LP page | 22:56 |
| NCommander | er | 22:56 |
| NCommander | cody-somerville, | 22:56 |
| * ogra will happily send cody-somerville his nslu2 ... but you need to make all the install tests | 22:56 | |
| * NCommander will also send his :-) | 22:56 | |
| NCommander | [endvote] | 22:56 |
| MootBot | Final result is 5 for, 2 against. 0 abstained. Total: 3 | 22:56 |
| ogra | cody-somerville, want it ? | 22:57 |
| NCommander | The motion to accept plars into membership has passed | 22:57 |
| NCommander | [action] plars to be added to ~ubuntu-mobile | 22:57 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: plars to be added to ~ubuntu-mobile | 22:57 |
| ogra | cody-somerville, i'm serious | 22:57 |
| NCommander | cody-somerville, I can probably dig up some ARM hardware as well you can have | 22:57 |
| GrueMaster | plars: you should have voted for yourself. If Obama can vote for himself, we can. :D | 22:57 |
| ogra | NCommander, dare you, only nslu2'S | 22:57 |
| NCommander | ogra, dare me what? | 22:58 |
| NCommander | [topic] Any other business | 22:58 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Any other business | 22:58 |
| davidm | NCommander, plars added | 22:58 |
| plars | GrueMaster: I wasn't a member yet :) | 22:58 |
| NCommander | plars, that didn't stop cody-somerville from voting :-P | 22:58 |
| ogra | NCommander, dare you to send him anything else but a slug :) he will think about asking for ARM hw next time ;) | 22:58 |
| GrueMaster | And Obama wasn't president in November. What's your point? | 22:58 |
| persia | Um, can we get back on track? | 22:59 |
| ogra | there is a track ? | 22:59 |
| ogra | i thought we're in AOB | 22:59 |
| davidm | NCommander, what is the next item on the agenda??? | 22:59 |
| StevenK | He was at least an American citizen. You're saying that a Brazilian national could have voted in the November election. | 22:59 |
| NCommander | davidm, that was pretty much it, I left membership until last | 22:59 |
| cody-somerville | NCommander, ogra: Sure :) | 23:00 |
| ScottK | StevenK: If they lived in Chicago, probably. | 23:00 |
| NCommander | davidm, I'm planning to have a session after UDS to build our new roadmap; its semi-pointless to do it now IMHO | 23:00 |
| persia | Plus we're out of time. | 23:00 |
| ogra | over time actually | 23:00 |
| NCommander | #endmeeting | 23:01 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 17:01. | 23:01 |
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