[15:08] <persia> Who's here for the Java Meeting?
[15:19] <effie_jayx> me
[15:21] <persia> OK.  Let's do it then :)
[15:23] <persia> Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/Meeting
[15:23] <persia> Roadmap and specs for Karmic.
[15:23] <persia> None of the roadmap reps seem to be present, so we'll skip that.
[15:23] <persia> (I suspect it's a holiday week or something)
[15:23] <persia> Anyone have any specs for Karmic they want to highlight, or shall we review again next week?
[15:24] <persia> OK.  Let's take that up next week.
[15:24] <persia> Any other business?
[15:26] <persia> effie_jayx, You have anything?
[15:26] <imbrandon> quick meeting :)
[15:26] <effie_jayx> persia, nope Just Though I could join
[15:26] <persia> Right.  Meeting adjourned then.
[15:26] <persia> imbrandon, Always happens that way when nobody shows.  Usually it's 20-30 minutes, and we actually go over some stuff.
[22:00] <NCommander> #startmeeting
[22:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 16:00. The chair is NCommander.
[22:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[22:00] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090430
[22:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090430
[22:01] <NCommander> StevenK, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090430
[22:01] <StevenK> Am I late?
[22:01] <NCommander> StevenK, no, I just posted the link right before you joined.
[22:02] <StevenK> If #startmeeting has happened, I am late :-/
[22:02] <NCommander> StevenK, oh, well :-/
[22:02] <NCommander> I'll wait until 17:01 next time
[22:02] <NCommander> Anyway
[22:02] <NCommander> [topic] Action Item Review
[22:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action Item Review
[22:02] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to investigate #338148
[22:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander to investigate #338148
[22:02] <NCommander> Its on my plate, I poked it. It poked back. Carry over :-/
[22:02] <NCommander> No lool, so
[22:03] <NCommander> [topic] GrueMaster to test newer version of Hildon Desktop to see if it resolves cat kills MID bug
[22:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  GrueMaster to test newer version of Hildon Desktop to see if it resolves cat kills MID bug
[22:03] <GrueMaster> Tripped over moblin stuff.  CO.
[22:03] <StevenK> I have related news
[22:03] <NCommander> StevenK, ?
[22:03] <StevenK> There is a newer hildon-desktop in Debian that MoM is reporting on, so maybe Karmic will just fix it ...
[22:04] <persia> regarding lool's action item: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-karmic-arm-cloud-builds
[22:04] <NCommander> StevenK, who usually does hildon-desktop merges?
[22:04] <StevenK> Whoever loses
[22:04] <NCommander> not it
[22:04] <NCommander> :-)
[22:04] <NCommander> I'll add that I can't reproduce this issue on MER which is based on newer hildon-desktop's then we have in jaunty or karmic
[22:05] <NCommander> GrueMaster, if I end up looking at the merge, I'll test this (most of my merges are done already)
[22:05] <GrueMaster> Ok.
[22:05] <NCommander> [topic] ogra to rebuild gnome-keyring-daemon to troubleshoot #328167
[22:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  ogra to rebuild gnome-keyring-daemon to troubleshoot #328167
[22:06] <NCommander> ogra, ping?
[22:06] <ogra> sorry
[22:06] <StevenK> ogra!
[22:06] <StevenK> ogra: *prod*
[22:06] <ogra> didnt we want to drop that one from the weekly list ?
[22:07] <NCommander> ogra, I had it as an action item
[22:07] <ogra> drop it ...
[22:07] <NCommander> Gone
[22:07] <ogra> thanks
[22:07] <NCommander> ... *kicks the wiki*
[22:08] <NCommander> [topic] Bugs of Interest to the Ubuntu Mobile Team
[22:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Bugs of Interest to the Ubuntu Mobile Team
[22:09] <NCommander> We've already discussed the VNC one
[22:09] <NCommander> [topic] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/337809
[22:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/337809
[22:09] <NCommander> GrueMaster, can you still reproduce this bug on lpia?
[22:10] <GrueMaster> Yes.
[22:10]  * NCommander kicks LP hard
[22:10] <GrueMaster> Although we are supposed to get new boards soon.
[22:10] <GrueMaster> Oddly, it does not happen with moblin1
[22:10] <NCommander> GrueMaster, on what machine is this bug on? (I'm just not seeing that in the bug now that I'm re-reviewing it)
[22:11] <ogra> hmm, i saw the same bug today in #ltsp with a via C3 based CPU and -genric
[22:11] <GrueMaster> CrownBeach.  I also remember seeing it on some test systems when I was at Intel.
[22:11] <NCommander> GrueMaster, and it doesn't happen with a i386 kernel?
[22:11] <GrueMaster> It goes away with acpi=ht on the kernel commandline.
[22:12] <GrueMaster> I haven't tested i386 recently.
[22:12] <StevenK> I didn't think those CPUs supported hyperthreading?
[22:12]  * GrueMaster fires up CB with UNR.
[22:12] <NCommander> StevenK, its probably something unrelated that prevents the bug from triggering
[22:12] <GrueMaster> The Crownbeach does.  Mainly for the higher end market segment (that apparently never happened).
[22:13] <NCommander> The easiest way to see if its a config issue is if an i386 kernel works, rebuild the lpia kernel w/ the same config file, and see if its either the compiler flags, or something stranger
[22:14] <GrueMaster> I seem to remember a patch to fix this when I was at Intel.
[22:14] <NCommander> GrueMaster, its probably something we want to try an isolate
[22:14] <GrueMaster> I'll add it to my todo list.
[22:14] <StevenK> The lpia config ought to be fairly identical
[22:14] <NCommander> GrueMaster, I don't mind working to debug this with you since things have quieted down somewhat
[22:14] <NCommander> StevenK, you'd think that :-/
[22:14] <NCommander> StevenK, its not.
[22:15] <StevenK> Remind me to kick Tim
[22:15] <NCommander> StevenK, its part of what broke the alternate CDs for so long.
[22:15]  * ogra thought the same at least for jaunty
[22:15] <StevenK> Or parade killing lpia some more
[22:15] <NCommander> StevenK, sadly enough, Kubuntu is actually promoting lpia usage on Atom based machines -_-;;;;
[22:16] <NCommander> StevenK, and I can now see users on popcon due to people installing with the alternate
[22:16]  * ogra points StevenK to http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/19409/
[22:16] <ogra> have fun in karmic :P
[22:16]  * NCommander can hear the OW from here :-/
[22:16] <NCommander> Indicently, can we make MID not be lpia specific anymore?
[22:17] <NCommander> [action] GrueMaster and NCommander to debug #337809
[22:17] <MootBot> ACTION received:  GrueMaster and NCommander to debug #337809
[22:17] <NCommander> [action] StevenK to follow up with Tim on lpia kernel configuration
[22:17] <MootBot> ACTION received:  StevenK to follow up with Tim on lpia kernel configuration
[22:18] <persia> Um, MID *isn't* lpia-specific.  You fixed that at the beginning of Jaunty.
[22:18] <NCommander> persia, rephrase, build images that aren't MID-lpia :-P
[22:18] <persia> cdimage just doesn's host any non-lpia images.
[22:19] <NCommander> persia, well, if we still want MID, we probably should make it non-lpia specific
[22:20]  * GrueMaster can't get usb ports to respond at the moment on his CB.  sigh.
[22:20] <persia> Again, it's *not* specific.  It's just which images are hosted.  One can build MID images for sparc, if one can get a sparc MID.
[22:21] <ogra> do we need to have that discuaaion now ?
[22:21] <NCommander> no
[22:21] <ogra> *discussion
[22:21] <ogra> right
[22:21] <NCommander> Lets move on
[22:21] <NCommander> [topic] Specification Review for UDS
[22:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  Specification Review for UDS
[22:22] <NCommander> Anyone have any specifications we should discuss now before UDS?
[22:22] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/KarmicSpecifications
[22:22] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/KarmicSpecifications
[22:22] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/KarmicSpecifications
[22:23] <ogra> davidm asked NCommander and me to take a look at brainstorm for possible additional specs
[22:23] <ogra> i added the "Things spotted on brainstorm that might be of interest" section on the above page
[22:24] <ogra> though i dont think there is actually anything thats really intresting i tried to pick out what could remotely be of any interest
[22:25] <NCommander> personally, I'm amazed there is community interest in a UNR lpia image
[22:25] <StevenK> There's a spec on that already
[22:25] <NCommander> StevenK, the link is broken, or Launchpad is
[22:25] <davidm> We can use some more, most of the items you found ogra are more for I suspect foundations team :-/
[22:26] <ogra> yes
[22:26] <ogra> there is not much more
[22:26] <StevenK> unr-karmic-other-arches, whatever davidm renamed it too
[22:26] <NCommander> There aren't a huge amount of ones beside the ones ogra found that I would add.
[22:26] <ogra> these were the highest quality items i could find
[22:26] <ogra> and i went through all 36 pages
[22:26] <davidm> Ouch, oh well
[22:26] <davidm> Wow, thanks, I did not realize you had hit them all
[22:28] <NCommander> anyone have any specs we want to discuss?
[22:28] <NCommander> Going once
[22:29] <NCommander> Going twice
[22:29] <persia> Different question: does anyone have any specs that *aren't* listed on KarmicSpecifications?
[22:31] <NCommander> BTW, sidenote: most of the links fromt he KarmicSpecifications page are broken due to the specs being renamed
[22:32] <NCommander> anyway
[22:32] <NCommander> [topic] New Ubuntu Mobile' Memberships
[22:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  New Ubuntu Mobile' Memberships
[22:32] <NCommander> [topic] GrueMaster
[22:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  GrueMaster
[22:32] <cody-somerville> -1
[22:33] <cody-somerville> :P
[22:33] <NCommander> GrueMaster, why don't you introduce yourself briefly, and provide us a link to your wiki page
[22:34] <StevenK> cody-somerville: You're no member, fail
[22:34] <NCommander> GrueMaster, ping?
[22:34] <GrueMaster> Well, I have been working with Linux since ~1995, with my first kernel patch accepted in 1999.  I did most of my Linux development work while at Intel.
[22:35] <GrueMaster> I type a little slower than most, so bear with me.
[22:35] <GrueMaster> Most recently, I have been active with Alsa development for HD Audio driver support and testing Linux on MID and Mobile systems.
[22:37] <GrueMaster> Most of my background is in testing and debugging issues.  I have done some automation development work in the past as well.
[22:38] <GrueMaster> I have been working with ubuntu-mobile since August 2007 while on contract at Intel (finished in Sept, 2008), and am now working with Canonical on testing Ubuntu on various mobile platforms.
[22:38] <GrueMaster> Not much more to add.
[22:39] <NCommander> GrueMaster, link to your wiki page?
[22:39] <GrueMaster> Oh, vote for me and I'll share my beer brewing recipies with you at UDS.
[22:39] <GrueMaster> Will post a wiki later today.
[22:40] <GrueMaster> (wasn't previously informed that I needed one).
[22:40] <plars> I don't recall seeing anything about that on the membership information on the mobile page
[22:40] <plars> probably should be added
[22:40] <NCommander> If there are no objections, I'd like to start the vote for GrueMaster
[22:41] <NCommander> Ok then
[22:41] <NCommander> [VOTE] Accept GrueMaster into members
[22:41] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Accept GrueMaster into members.
[22:41] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[22:41] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[22:41] <NCommander> +1
[22:41] <MootBot> +1 received from NCommander. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[22:41] <StevenK> +1
[22:41] <MootBot> +1 received from StevenK. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[22:41] <davidm> +1
[22:41] <MootBot> +1 received from davidm. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[22:41] <ogra> +1
[22:41] <MootBot> +1 received from ogra. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[22:42] <GrueMaster> +1
[22:42] <MootBot> +1 received from GrueMaster. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[22:42] <persia> +1 from me: long overdue, given several cycles of testing and bug work.
[22:42] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[22:42] <ogra> haha
[22:43]  * NCommander will give the vote another minute before closing
[22:43] <cody-somerville> -1
[22:43] <MootBot> -1 received from cody-somerville. 6 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[22:43] <ogra> everyone who is alloed to vote did vote, why another minute ?
[22:43] <ogra> ah, for cody
[22:43] <NCommander> cody-somerville is a mobile team member?
[22:43] <cody-somerville> muhahaha
[22:43] <ogra> xubuntu conspiracy
[22:43] <NCommander> Anyway
[22:43] <NCommander> ogra, uh, what conspiracy?
[22:44] <NCommander> [endvote]
[22:44] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 1 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[22:44] <NCommander> The vote passes.
[22:44] <persia> Err, no.  Cody isn't in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/+members
[22:44] <NCommander> [action] davidm to add GrueMaster to ~ubuntu-mobile
[22:44] <MootBot> ACTION received:  davidm to add GrueMaster to ~ubuntu-mobile
[22:44] <NCommander> And for our second new member
[22:45] <NCommander> [topic] plars
[22:45] <MootBot> New Topic:  plars
[22:45] <NCommander> plars, care to introduce yourself and provide a link to your wikipage (if you have one)
[22:45] <plars> I'm kind of in the same boat on the wiki page
[22:45] <plars> I'll update it later today, probably pretty much with what I'm saying here
[22:45] <plars> I've been using Linux since about 93
[22:46] <plars> didn't really get involved in participating more than that until about 2000 though when I started in LTC at IBM
[22:46] <davidm> NCommander, GrueMaster added
[22:46] <NCommander> davidm, thanks
[22:47] <plars> I did primarily test stuff there, heavy focus on kernel testing, LTP Maintainership (actually, kinda kicked off the migration to sourceforge and making it a more widely participated in project)
[22:47] <plars> I've also worked on some other things, like xen, and linux clusters (including one that was around #26 on the top 500 for a while :)
[22:47] <plars> In the past month or so that I've been working on ubuntu mobile activities
[22:48] <plars> I've been doing daily snapshot testing of mid, unr and arm builds
[22:48] <plars> writing testplans for iso tracker testing
[22:48] <plars> conducting tests of iso images and reporting results
[22:48] <plars> I've also written some tests and contributed to the checkbox and ubuntu-desktop-testing projects, starting to try to get more involved in those
[22:49] <plars> bug triaging, testing fixes, helping with things like the bisection we did a while back for gnome-keyring-daemon
[22:49] <plars> I try to help out wherever I can, and learn as much as possible in the process :)
[22:49] <NCommander> [vote] Accept plars into Ubuntu Mobile membership?
[22:49] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Accept plars into Ubuntu Mobile membership?.
[22:49] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[22:49] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[22:49] <NCommander> +1
[22:49] <MootBot> +1 received from NCommander. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[22:49] <ogra> +1
[22:49] <MootBot> +1 received from ogra. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[22:49] <davidm> +1
[22:49] <MootBot> +1 received from davidm. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[22:49] <GrueMaster> +1
[22:49] <MootBot> +1 received from GrueMaster. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[22:50] <StevenK> +1
[22:50] <MootBot> +1 received from StevenK. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[22:50] <persia> -1 : I'd like to see at least 2 or 3 months of contributions before granting membership in the group.
[22:50] <MootBot> -1 received from persia. 5 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[22:51]  * plars promises to try to stick around a few more months :)
[22:52] <cody-somerville> -1
[22:52] <MootBot> -1 received from cody-somerville. 5 for, 2 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[22:52] <cody-somerville> -1
[22:52] <cody-somerville> doh
[22:52] <NCommander> lol
[22:52] <cody-somerville> cheating isn't allowed :(
[22:52]  * cody-somerville probably shouldn't be fooling around with your votes :P
[22:53] <persia> cody-somerville, Indeed (unless you want to join the team).
[22:53]  * StevenK kicks cody-somerville in the -1
[22:53] <cody-somerville> Do I get some ARM hardware if I do?
[22:56] <persia> cody-somerville, Erm, no, but you get commit rights to the bzr branches.
[22:56] <NCommander> persia, and bragging rights for your LP page
[22:56] <NCommander> er
[22:56] <NCommander> cody-somerville,
[22:56]  * ogra will happily send cody-somerville his nslu2 ... but you need to make all the install tests 
[22:56]  * NCommander will also send his :-)
[22:56] <NCommander> [endvote]
[22:56] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 2 against. 0 abstained. Total: 3
[22:57] <ogra> cody-somerville, want it ?
[22:57] <NCommander> The motion to accept plars into membership has passed
[22:57] <NCommander> [action] plars to be added to ~ubuntu-mobile
[22:57] <MootBot> ACTION received:  plars to be added to ~ubuntu-mobile
[22:57] <ogra> cody-somerville, i'm serious
[22:57] <NCommander> cody-somerville, I can probably dig up some ARM hardware as well you can have
[22:57] <GrueMaster> plars: you should have voted for yourself.  If Obama can vote for himself, we can.  :D
[22:57] <ogra> NCommander, dare you, only nslu2'S
[22:58] <NCommander> ogra, dare me what?
[22:58] <NCommander> [topic] Any other business
[22:58] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any other business
[22:58] <davidm> NCommander, plars added
[22:58] <plars> GrueMaster: I wasn't a member yet :)
[22:58] <NCommander> plars, that didn't stop cody-somerville from voting :-P
[22:58] <ogra> NCommander, dare you to send him anything else but a slug :) he will think about asking for ARM hw next time ;)
[22:58] <GrueMaster> And Obama wasn't president in November.  What's your point?
[22:59] <persia> Um, can we get back on track?
[22:59] <ogra> there is a track ?
[22:59] <ogra> i thought we're in AOB
[22:59] <davidm> NCommander, what is the next item on the agenda???
[22:59] <StevenK> He was at least an American citizen. You're saying that a Brazilian national could have voted in the November election.
[22:59] <NCommander> davidm, that was pretty much it, I left membership until last
[23:00] <cody-somerville> NCommander, ogra: Sure :)
[23:00] <ScottK> StevenK: If they lived in Chicago, probably.
[23:00] <NCommander> davidm, I'm planning to have a session after UDS to build our new roadmap; its semi-pointless to do it now IMHO
[23:00] <persia> Plus we're out of time.
[23:00] <ogra> over time actually
[23:01] <NCommander> #endmeeting
[23:01] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 17:01.