=== txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger === imbrando_ is now known as imbrandon === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger === davmor21 is now known as davmor2 === mdz_ is now known as mdz === randa is now known as randa-lunch === randa-lunch is now known as randa === keffie_jayx is now known as effie_jayx === ejat is now known as e-jat [15:08] Who's here for the Java Meeting? [15:19] me [15:21] OK. Let's do it then :) [15:23] Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/Meeting [15:23] Roadmap and specs for Karmic. [15:23] None of the roadmap reps seem to be present, so we'll skip that. [15:23] (I suspect it's a holiday week or something) [15:23] Anyone have any specs for Karmic they want to highlight, or shall we review again next week? [15:24] OK. Let's take that up next week. [15:24] Any other business? [15:26] effie_jayx, You have anything? [15:26] quick meeting :) [15:26] persia, nope Just Though I could join [15:26] Right. Meeting adjourned then. [15:26] imbrandon, Always happens that way when nobody shows. Usually it's 20-30 minutes, and we actually go over some stuff. === mdz_ is now known as mdz === johnc4511-laptop is now known as johnc4510-laptop === ember_ is now known as ember === imbrando_ is now known as imbrandon [22:00] #startmeeting [22:00] Meeting started at 16:00. The chair is NCommander. [22:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [22:00] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090430 [22:00] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090430 [22:01] StevenK, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090430 [22:01] Am I late? [22:01] StevenK, no, I just posted the link right before you joined. [22:02] If #startmeeting has happened, I am late :-/ [22:02] StevenK, oh, well :-/ [22:02] I'll wait until 17:01 next time [22:02] Anyway [22:02] [topic] Action Item Review [22:02] New Topic: Action Item Review [22:02] [topic] NCommander to investigate #338148 [22:02] New Topic: NCommander to investigate #338148 [22:02] Its on my plate, I poked it. It poked back. Carry over :-/ [22:02] No lool, so [22:03] [topic] GrueMaster to test newer version of Hildon Desktop to see if it resolves cat kills MID bug [22:03] New Topic: GrueMaster to test newer version of Hildon Desktop to see if it resolves cat kills MID bug [22:03] Tripped over moblin stuff. CO. [22:03] I have related news [22:03] StevenK, ? [22:03] There is a newer hildon-desktop in Debian that MoM is reporting on, so maybe Karmic will just fix it ... [22:04] regarding lool's action item: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-karmic-arm-cloud-builds [22:04] StevenK, who usually does hildon-desktop merges? [22:04] Whoever loses [22:04] not it [22:04] :-) [22:04] I'll add that I can't reproduce this issue on MER which is based on newer hildon-desktop's then we have in jaunty or karmic [22:05] GrueMaster, if I end up looking at the merge, I'll test this (most of my merges are done already) [22:05] Ok. [22:05] [topic] ogra to rebuild gnome-keyring-daemon to troubleshoot #328167 [22:05] New Topic: ogra to rebuild gnome-keyring-daemon to troubleshoot #328167 [22:06] ogra, ping? [22:06] sorry [22:06] ogra! [22:06] ogra: *prod* [22:06] didnt we want to drop that one from the weekly list ? [22:07] ogra, I had it as an action item [22:07] drop it ... [22:07] Gone [22:07] thanks [22:07] ... *kicks the wiki* [22:08] [topic] Bugs of Interest to the Ubuntu Mobile Team [22:08] New Topic: Bugs of Interest to the Ubuntu Mobile Team [22:09] We've already discussed the VNC one [22:09] [topic] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/337809 [22:09] New Topic: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/337809 [22:09] Launchpad bug 337809 in linux "APIC error on CPU 0" [Undecided,New] [22:09] GrueMaster, can you still reproduce this bug on lpia? [22:10] Yes. [22:10] * NCommander kicks LP hard [22:10] Although we are supposed to get new boards soon. [22:10] Oddly, it does not happen with moblin1 [22:10] GrueMaster, on what machine is this bug on? (I'm just not seeing that in the bug now that I'm re-reviewing it) [22:11] hmm, i saw the same bug today in #ltsp with a via C3 based CPU and -genric [22:11] CrownBeach. I also remember seeing it on some test systems when I was at Intel. [22:11] GrueMaster, and it doesn't happen with a i386 kernel? [22:11] It goes away with acpi=ht on the kernel commandline. [22:12] I haven't tested i386 recently. [22:12] I didn't think those CPUs supported hyperthreading? [22:12] * GrueMaster fires up CB with UNR. [22:12] StevenK, its probably something unrelated that prevents the bug from triggering [22:12] The Crownbeach does. Mainly for the higher end market segment (that apparently never happened). [22:13] The easiest way to see if its a config issue is if an i386 kernel works, rebuild the lpia kernel w/ the same config file, and see if its either the compiler flags, or something stranger [22:14] I seem to remember a patch to fix this when I was at Intel. [22:14] GrueMaster, its probably something we want to try an isolate [22:14] I'll add it to my todo list. [22:14] The lpia config ought to be fairly identical [22:14] GrueMaster, I don't mind working to debug this with you since things have quieted down somewhat [22:14] StevenK, you'd think that :-/ [22:14] StevenK, its not. [22:15] Remind me to kick Tim [22:15] StevenK, its part of what broke the alternate CDs for so long. [22:15] * ogra thought the same at least for jaunty [22:15] Or parade killing lpia some more [22:15] StevenK, sadly enough, Kubuntu is actually promoting lpia usage on Atom based machines -_-;;;; [22:16] StevenK, and I can now see users on popcon due to people installing with the alternate [22:16] * ogra points StevenK to http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/19409/ [22:16] have fun in karmic :P [22:16] * NCommander can hear the OW from here :-/ [22:16] Indicently, can we make MID not be lpia specific anymore? [22:17] [action] GrueMaster and NCommander to debug #337809 [22:17] ACTION received: GrueMaster and NCommander to debug #337809 [22:17] [action] StevenK to follow up with Tim on lpia kernel configuration [22:17] ACTION received: StevenK to follow up with Tim on lpia kernel configuration [22:18] Um, MID *isn't* lpia-specific. You fixed that at the beginning of Jaunty. [22:18] persia, rephrase, build images that aren't MID-lpia :-P [22:18] cdimage just doesn's host any non-lpia images. [22:19] persia, well, if we still want MID, we probably should make it non-lpia specific [22:20] * GrueMaster can't get usb ports to respond at the moment on his CB. sigh. [22:20] Again, it's *not* specific. It's just which images are hosted. One can build MID images for sparc, if one can get a sparc MID. [22:21] do we need to have that discuaaion now ? [22:21] no [22:21] *discussion [22:21] right [22:21] Lets move on [22:21] [topic] Specification Review for UDS [22:21] New Topic: Specification Review for UDS [22:22] Anyone have any specifications we should discuss now before UDS? [22:22] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/KarmicSpecifications [22:22] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/KarmicSpecifications [22:22] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/KarmicSpecifications [22:23] davidm asked NCommander and me to take a look at brainstorm for possible additional specs [22:23] i added the "Things spotted on brainstorm that might be of interest" section on the above page [22:24] though i dont think there is actually anything thats really intresting i tried to pick out what could remotely be of any interest [22:25] personally, I'm amazed there is community interest in a UNR lpia image [22:25] There's a spec on that already [22:25] StevenK, the link is broken, or Launchpad is [22:25] We can use some more, most of the items you found ogra are more for I suspect foundations team :-/ [22:26] yes [22:26] there is not much more [22:26] unr-karmic-other-arches, whatever davidm renamed it too [22:26] There aren't a huge amount of ones beside the ones ogra found that I would add. [22:26] these were the highest quality items i could find [22:26] and i went through all 36 pages [22:26] Ouch, oh well [22:26] Wow, thanks, I did not realize you had hit them all [22:28] anyone have any specs we want to discuss? [22:28] Going once [22:29] Going twice [22:29] Different question: does anyone have any specs that *aren't* listed on KarmicSpecifications? [22:31] BTW, sidenote: most of the links fromt he KarmicSpecifications page are broken due to the specs being renamed [22:32] anyway [22:32] [topic] New Ubuntu Mobile' Memberships [22:32] New Topic: New Ubuntu Mobile' Memberships [22:32] [topic] GrueMaster [22:32] New Topic: GrueMaster [22:32] -1 [22:33] :P [22:33] GrueMaster, why don't you introduce yourself briefly, and provide us a link to your wiki page [22:34] cody-somerville: You're no member, fail [22:34] GrueMaster, ping? [22:34] Well, I have been working with Linux since ~1995, with my first kernel patch accepted in 1999. I did most of my Linux development work while at Intel. [22:35] I type a little slower than most, so bear with me. [22:35] Most recently, I have been active with Alsa development for HD Audio driver support and testing Linux on MID and Mobile systems. [22:37] Most of my background is in testing and debugging issues. I have done some automation development work in the past as well. [22:38] I have been working with ubuntu-mobile since August 2007 while on contract at Intel (finished in Sept, 2008), and am now working with Canonical on testing Ubuntu on various mobile platforms. [22:38] Not much more to add. [22:39] GrueMaster, link to your wiki page? [22:39] Oh, vote for me and I'll share my beer brewing recipies with you at UDS. [22:39] Will post a wiki later today. [22:40] (wasn't previously informed that I needed one). [22:40] I don't recall seeing anything about that on the membership information on the mobile page [22:40] probably should be added [22:40] If there are no objections, I'd like to start the vote for GrueMaster [22:41] Ok then [22:41] [VOTE] Accept GrueMaster into members [22:41] Please vote on: Accept GrueMaster into members. [22:41] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [22:41] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [22:41] +1 [22:41] +1 received from NCommander. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [22:41] +1 [22:41] +1 received from StevenK. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [22:41] +1 [22:41] +1 received from davidm. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [22:41] +1 [22:41] +1 received from ogra. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 [22:42] +1 [22:42] +1 received from GrueMaster. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 [22:42] +1 from me: long overdue, given several cycles of testing and bug work. [22:42] +1 received from persia. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6 [22:42] haha [22:43] * NCommander will give the vote another minute before closing [22:43] -1 [22:43] -1 received from cody-somerville. 6 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 [22:43] everyone who is alloed to vote did vote, why another minute ? [22:43] ah, for cody [22:43] cody-somerville is a mobile team member? [22:43] muhahaha [22:43] xubuntu conspiracy [22:43] Anyway [22:43] ogra, uh, what conspiracy? [22:44] [endvote] [22:44] Final result is 6 for, 1 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5 [22:44] The vote passes. [22:44] Err, no. Cody isn't in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/+members [22:44] [action] davidm to add GrueMaster to ~ubuntu-mobile [22:44] ACTION received: davidm to add GrueMaster to ~ubuntu-mobile [22:44] And for our second new member [22:45] [topic] plars [22:45] New Topic: plars [22:45] plars, care to introduce yourself and provide a link to your wikipage (if you have one) [22:45] I'm kind of in the same boat on the wiki page [22:45] I'll update it later today, probably pretty much with what I'm saying here [22:45] I've been using Linux since about 93 [22:46] didn't really get involved in participating more than that until about 2000 though when I started in LTC at IBM [22:46] NCommander, GrueMaster added [22:46] davidm, thanks [22:47] I did primarily test stuff there, heavy focus on kernel testing, LTP Maintainership (actually, kinda kicked off the migration to sourceforge and making it a more widely participated in project) [22:47] I've also worked on some other things, like xen, and linux clusters (including one that was around #26 on the top 500 for a while :) [22:47] In the past month or so that I've been working on ubuntu mobile activities [22:48] I've been doing daily snapshot testing of mid, unr and arm builds [22:48] writing testplans for iso tracker testing [22:48] conducting tests of iso images and reporting results [22:48] I've also written some tests and contributed to the checkbox and ubuntu-desktop-testing projects, starting to try to get more involved in those [22:49] bug triaging, testing fixes, helping with things like the bisection we did a while back for gnome-keyring-daemon [22:49] I try to help out wherever I can, and learn as much as possible in the process :) [22:49] [vote] Accept plars into Ubuntu Mobile membership? [22:49] Please vote on: Accept plars into Ubuntu Mobile membership?. [22:49] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [22:49] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [22:49] +1 [22:49] +1 received from NCommander. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [22:49] +1 [22:49] +1 received from ogra. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [22:49] +1 [22:49] +1 received from davidm. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [22:49] +1 [22:49] +1 received from GrueMaster. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 [22:50] +1 [22:50] +1 received from StevenK. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 [22:50] -1 : I'd like to see at least 2 or 3 months of contributions before granting membership in the group. [22:50] -1 received from persia. 5 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 [22:51] * plars promises to try to stick around a few more months :) [22:52] -1 [22:52] -1 received from cody-somerville. 5 for, 2 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [22:52] -1 [22:52] doh [22:52] lol [22:52] cheating isn't allowed :( [22:52] * cody-somerville probably shouldn't be fooling around with your votes :P [22:53] cody-somerville, Indeed (unless you want to join the team). [22:53] * StevenK kicks cody-somerville in the -1 [22:53] Do I get some ARM hardware if I do? [22:56] cody-somerville, Erm, no, but you get commit rights to the bzr branches. [22:56] persia, and bragging rights for your LP page [22:56] er [22:56] cody-somerville, [22:56] * ogra will happily send cody-somerville his nslu2 ... but you need to make all the install tests [22:56] * NCommander will also send his :-) [22:56] [endvote] [22:56] Final result is 5 for, 2 against. 0 abstained. Total: 3 [22:57] cody-somerville, want it ? [22:57] The motion to accept plars into membership has passed [22:57] [action] plars to be added to ~ubuntu-mobile [22:57] ACTION received: plars to be added to ~ubuntu-mobile [22:57] cody-somerville, i'm serious [22:57] cody-somerville, I can probably dig up some ARM hardware as well you can have [22:57] plars: you should have voted for yourself. If Obama can vote for himself, we can. :D [22:57] NCommander, dare you, only nslu2'S [22:58] ogra, dare me what? [22:58] [topic] Any other business [22:58] New Topic: Any other business [22:58] NCommander, plars added [22:58] GrueMaster: I wasn't a member yet :) [22:58] plars, that didn't stop cody-somerville from voting :-P [22:58] NCommander, dare you to send him anything else but a slug :) he will think about asking for ARM hw next time ;) [22:58] And Obama wasn't president in November. What's your point? [22:59] Um, can we get back on track? [22:59] there is a track ? [22:59] i thought we're in AOB [22:59] NCommander, what is the next item on the agenda??? [22:59] He was at least an American citizen. You're saying that a Brazilian national could have voted in the November election. [22:59] davidm, that was pretty much it, I left membership until last [23:00] NCommander, ogra: Sure :) [23:00] StevenK: If they lived in Chicago, probably. [23:00] davidm, I'm planning to have a session after UDS to build our new roadmap; its semi-pointless to do it now IMHO [23:00] Plus we're out of time. [23:00] over time actually [23:01] #endmeeting [23:01] Meeting finished at 17:01. === swoody_ is now known as swoody