[00:01] <Seeker`> :(
[00:12] <ikonia> kris: hi, how can we help ?
[00:13] <kris> Hi ikonia. I was going to ask about updating a factoid on ubottu, but I just discovered the syntax. Thanks.
[00:13] <ikonia> ok
[00:18]  * tsimpson removes ikonia's "private" session
[00:19] <ikonia> tsimpson: a drink of your choice is available to you
[00:20] <LjL> no "ikonia is dumb" comments were added meanwhile?
[00:20] <LjL> (i didn't add any only because of laziness, mind)
[00:21] <Seeker`> tsimpson: how do you remove it?
[00:21] <tsimpson> Seeker`: manually
[00:21] <Seeker`> was it stored in the db?
[00:21] <LjL> !hammertime
[00:21] <Seeker`> or flat file?
[00:21] <LjL> like this
[00:21] <tsimpson> in the database
[00:26] <tsimpson> sessions expire after 90 days, apparently
[00:27] <tsimpson> so you only really have to @btlogin every 90 days
[00:28] <LjL> except everyone is using @btlogin in place of a browser bookmark to begin with :)
[00:28] <Seeker`> tsimpson: perhaps a shorter expire period is more sensible?
[00:29] <LjL> 90 days or 9 hours are both bad enough if someone sees it from the logs
[00:29] <tsimpson> well, I didn't choose that period and I don't force people to use @btlogin every 10 minutes either :)
[00:30] <tsimpson> there are currently 375 sessions registered
[00:31] <Seeker`> I say set it to 15 mins or so
[00:31] <LjL> tsimpson, if people actually did have a bookmark, and were only required to @btlogin every 90 days, then they'd never remember how "the whole login business" is done, and they'd ask you every time.
[00:31] <LjL> Seeker`: you kidding?
[00:32] <tsimpson> LjL: interesting statistic, you have the most sessions ;)
[00:32] <LjL> tsimpson: of course i do, i use it the most too.
[00:32] <tsimpson> 80 to be exact
[00:32] <LjL> tsimpson: make another statistics - what percentage of entries were due to me :)
[00:33] <Seeker`> LjL: no, not at all
[00:33] <Seeker`> you may use the BT a lot, but I would guess that most people just do @btlogin when they want to access it
[00:34] <LjL> Seeker`: i really don't think that's a good idea...
[00:34] <tsimpson> erm, lots
[00:34] <LjL> Seeker`: @btlogin originally wasn't even there. you had a bookmark in the browser, and i think some people will still expect that to work most of the time, and i couldn't blame them
[00:34] <tsimpson> the "best" way would be for the bot to check if a session is still active and return that on @btlogin
[00:35] <Seeker`> and have an expire function too
[00:37] <tsimpson> maybe I'll think about it when I redesign the bantracker
[00:37] <tsimpson> unless someone else wants to do it for me? (he says knowing the answer is "no")
[00:42]  * genii toys with the idea of doing it then runs away
[00:44] <Pici> I halfway rewrote the bantracker once..
[00:46] <tsimpson> LjL: 16.42%
[00:47] <tsimpson> Pici: I'm probably going to rewrite it from scratch sometime
[00:47] <LjL> tsimpson: only? :o
[00:48] <Pici> Hrm, we lost the irc guidelines in #u's topic, I just added them back in.
[00:48] <LjL> tsimpson: oh, and, "no"
[00:48] <Pici> Not that anyone reads them anyway.
[00:48] <LjL> Pici: perhaps you could remove the torrent link by now?
[00:49] <Pici> LjL: good idea
[00:52]  * tsimpson sleeps
[01:17]  * genii sips
[01:20] <Pici> So much for giving someone a chance.
[01:22] <Madpilot> he's in -ot now, more or less playing nice
[01:23] <Pici> Madpilot: thanks for the heads up
[01:24] <LjL> more less than more imo
[01:25] <Madpilot> still a Mac-troll
[01:26] <Madpilot> mikem calling someone out as "kind of trolling" - the irony, it burnz
[01:26] <Pici> LjL: Even underscores thinks hes trolling.
[01:26] <Pici> Madpilot: aha
[01:31] <LjL> Pici: oh? then i take it back, he's probably not a troll
[01:32] <Chr|s> Question: Freenode's IRC Guidelines for all #ubuntu- Channels or All channels period?
[01:32] <LjL> freenode guidelines are for freenode as a whole
[01:32] <Madpilot> there's freenode's guidelines, and the Ubuntu CoC
[01:32] <LjL> ubuntu channnels have their specific guidelines, usually
[01:33] <Madpilot> the coc is more restrictive, mostly
[01:33] <Pici> !guidelines
[01:33] <Chr|s> I see
[01:34] <Madpilot> !coc
[01:34] <Pici> The CoC is part of our IRC Guidelines.  
[01:35] <Chr|s> alright, so what about someone dropping the f-bomb constantly?
[01:35] <Madpilot> not cool
[01:35] <Madpilot> which channel?
[01:36] <Chr|s> not an ubuntu related channel though
[01:36] <LjL> Chr|s: they can do it if the channel rules allow it
[01:36] <Chr|s> LjL: ahh, ok
[01:36] <Chr|s> Thats all I needed to know
[01:37] <Pici> Chr|s: This may be confusing you, I don't know, but I'll just point it out anyway: you may have connected to irc.ubuntu.com, but thats just a pointer to irc.freenode.net.  Ubuntu does not run the entire IRC network.
[01:38] <Chr|s> Pici: Yeah, I figured as much.
[01:38] <Chr|s> Thanks
[01:39] <LjL> ok "freetard" is too much now imo
[01:39] <Madpilot> it was almost easier before Ubuntu had it's own IRC gateway - everyone knew that only #ubuntu-* namespace channels were ours...
[01:39] <LjL> Madpilot: we have a gateway?
[01:39] <Chr|s> I'm actually surprised its not like that now? I mean...it makes sense
[01:40] <Madpilot> LjL, irc.ubuntu.com?
[01:40] <LjL> Madpilot: ah, well that's just a DNS entry to freenode.net... "gateway" is usually meant as something like mibbit
[01:41] <Madpilot> true, I guess.
[01:41] <Chr|s> CoCo guy has issues
[01:42] <Chr|s> ubuntu should have there own irc server :)
[01:42] <LjL> why?
[01:42] <Madpilot> "freetards" three times was at least two too many
[01:42] <LjL> i'm pretty happy to share this space with users of other nice distributions and programs
[01:42] <Madpilot> Freenode is useful - lots and lots of other projects here, easy to get support
[01:42] <LjL> Madpilot: and dmsuperman has a point, too.
[01:43] <Chr|s> Yeah, I didn't quite think of that. Thats true.
[01:43] <Madpilot> LjL, that too. Like I said in my remove msg, "more than enough rope"
[01:44] <Chr|s> Thanks for the information :D
[01:44] <Chr|s> Bye! \o
[01:48] <genii> Pici: Apologies, didn't see your reply on the mis-informative backports thing til after i hit Enter already
[01:49] <Pici> genii: It was only a few seconds anyway, np
[01:50] <Pici> Madpilot: theres also #swineflu-erotica aparrently, and I'm definitely not going to check that either
[01:50] <Pici> And not mentioning it in -ot either
[01:50] <LjL> oh lord
[01:50] <Madpilot> dear sweet FSM
[01:50] <Madpilot> thank you for not mentioning that on -ot...
[01:51] <Madpilot> it's as bad as paging thru old Usenet group names, and wondering who'd be brave enough to issue a RFC for some of them...
[01:52] <LjL> Madpilot: as opposed to the NEW usenet, which is fine and functional?
[01:53] <LjL> and completely not overwhelmed by its usage as a sort of illegal filesharing space?
[01:53] <Madpilot> there's a new Usenet? One not drowned in trollshit & warez?
[01:53] <LjL> Madpilot: no - i meant THAT usenet.
[01:54] <Madpilot> thought so. I miss the functional Usenet - some of the best discussion groups I've ever come across. Before the trolls drowned it all.
[01:57] <Madpilot> now all that signal is spread out over dozens of crappy little forums & Yahoo groups, and Usenet is all noise. Bleh.
[02:08] <LjL> Madpilot: i share that feeling so much. forums and stuff are all so... ephemeral
[02:08] <LjL> (aside from being hypertext being used for something else)
[02:08] <Madpilot> for sure
[02:09] <LjL> Madpilot: it's funny that a lot of the acronyms and words and stuff we tend to use on IRC now are really usenet derived
[02:10] <Madpilot> back in 2002 or so, there was one rec.aviation.piloting - now there's dozens of little forums, and rap is a textbook case of 'drowned in trollshit'
[02:13] <LjL> Madpilot: on the other hand, to be fair to forums, i can presently go to a place where to discuss not just public transport in general, but public transport in my city specifically, with subforums for the trams and the subways
[02:13] <LjL> that was not particularly feasible on Usenet (or at any rate, it wasn't done)
[02:14] <Madpilot> specialization is easier w/ forums, vice attempting to start a new Usenet sub-group, true
[02:15] <Madpilot> but that's both a strength and a weakness. How many forums get abandoned, never really attract a community, or never even get discovered?
[02:15] <LjL> Madpilot: yes, trying to create a new usenet group in the big 8 (but in it.* too, for that matter) was akin to trying to create a new channel in the #ubuntu hierarchy in bureaucratic complexity, for sure ;P
[02:16] <LjL> Madpilot: true, but specialized forums were bound to be created, people wanted them
[02:16] <LjL> perhaps it would have been a better idea to make it easy to create them *on* Usenet
[02:20] <Madpilot> unmoderated Usenet groups were probably doomed anyway once the spammers & trolls discovered them... some of the moderated ones are still functional even today
[02:21] <LjL> Madpilot: nevertheless, "some of the moderated ones are still functional even today" isn't a slogan an advertizer would use
[02:22] <Madpilot> heh
[02:24] <LjL> Madpilot: methinks the problem with most of the moderated ones is that they're pre-moderated anyway. post-moderation like on 999.9% of current forums is feasible, pre-moderation not so much
[02:25] <Madpilot> true - pre-mod requires far more activity of the mod
[02:27] <LjL> Madpilot: also makes it less attractive to users. usenet is not real-time but sometimes part of its attractiveness can be the quick exchanges of posts
[02:28] <Madpilot> also true; the problem is unmoderated channels inevitably seem to drown in spam & trolling. See also, YouTube comments...
[02:29] <LjL> Madpilot: ok, so post-moderation like forums is the way - but it was never very popular in usenet culture, probably also due to difficulty of implementation
[02:30] <LjL> i need a reboot
[02:42]  * genii wanders back in to some lengthy scroll to review, and heads to the coffeepot
[03:47] <genii> Hehehe they are missing the !no /u  in -offtopic just a littl while ago
[05:57]  * genii sips his decaf and plans sleep at some point
[06:06] <genii> Bah
[06:21] <zhxk> hello, may you remove me from the band list to #ubuntu?
[06:21] <zhxk> I'm a good ubuntu user
[06:26] <Madpilot> @btlogin
[06:26] <bazhang> serial ban evader iirc
[06:27] <Madpilot> fun
[06:27] <Madpilot> remind me what the URL for our banlist database is again? Brainfart...
[06:28] <bazhang> !bot
[06:28] <bazhang> should be there ^^
[06:31] <Madpilot> it's there somewhere, but no publicly-visible links
[06:32] <bazhang> maybe an @login first?
[06:32] <bazhang> the @btlogin should open a ubottu PM
[06:32] <Madpilot> @btlogin
[06:33] <Madpilot> @btlogin
[06:33] <Madpilot> odd.
[06:33] <Madpilot> no PM
[06:33] <bazhang> ie first @login
[06:33] <Madpilot> @login
[06:33]  * genii slides bazhang a coffee
[06:33] <bazhang> now :)
[06:33] <Madpilot> there we go
[06:33] <Madpilot> @btlogin
[06:33] <bazhang> genii, thanks :)
[06:34] <genii> np :)
[06:34] <Madpilot> after that convincing demonstration that I know what I'm doing, I need a drink. There's good rum upstairs...
[06:34] <bazhang> works here Madpilot 
[06:34] <Madpilot> likewise here. forgot about login then btlogin
[06:34] <bazhang> could be the authorization was removed when they lost ubottu a couple fo days ago
[06:34] <bazhang> ah okay :)
[06:38] <bazhang> zhxk, how may we help you
[06:42] <bazhang> zhxk, if you have no business here then please, part the channel as per the /topic
[06:42] <zhxk> excuse me, what should i do, to join #ubuntu?
[06:43] <bazhang> zhxk, you are banned? for what reason?
[06:43] <zhxk> bazhang:because a joke
[06:44] <zhxk> bazhang:when i was have breaktime with the folks in #ubntu, i was band
[06:44] <zhxk> bazhang:when i was having breaktime with the folks in #ubntu, i was band
[06:45] <bazhang> zhxk, what joke
[06:47] <zhxk> "hi folks, lack of money? follow me, i'll take you to Somali sea to fetch some."
[06:48] <bazhang> zhxk, #ubuntu is support only channel not chat/joke channel
[06:48] <zhxk> it's ok in a nother cahhnel, someone says that he can't swim
[06:49] <zhxk> en, i see
[06:50] <bazhang> zhxk, not sure what you mean; you ban dodged as well after the ban?
[06:50] <zhxk> i'm fresh to the network, just have read the topic to #ubuntu in the channel list
[06:50] <bazhang> !coc | zhxk read this
[06:51] <bazhang> !guidelines | zhxk and this
[06:52] <bazhang> zhxk, the operator who banned you is not around, it would be wise to consult with him, and explain your 'joke' and subsequent ban-evading
[06:53] <zhxk> bazhang:who is the operator did?
[06:53] <bazhang> zhxk, did you read those two links I gave you?
[06:54] <zhxk> and how could i contact to him? well,i'm going go read the links
[06:56] <jussi01> zhxk: if you could read those links and pop back in a couple of hours that would be great.
[06:59] <jussi01> Anyway, Im off to work. see you all later. 
[07:00] <zhxk> see you
[07:01] <zhxk> what's the meaning of "pop back"?
[07:02] <bazhang> return zhxk 
[07:05] <bazhang> ikonia, you about?
[07:06] <bazhang> zhxk, you read the links? keep in mind that #ubuntu is a busy channel, and #ubuntu-offtopic is the chat channel.
[07:08] <zhxk> I see
[07:08] <zhxk> the wwritting is good
[07:08] <bazhang> zhxk, you did read the links then?
[07:09] <zhxk> i'm reading
[07:12] <genii> Laters, sleep calls
[07:12] <bazhang> night
[07:16] <zhxk> night? night or right?
[07:18] <zhxk> well, if i was away useing /away reasons, how to get back then?
[07:35] <bazhang> jussi01, if you could step in, I have to get to work as well..
[08:21] <Flannel> zhxk: /away
[08:21] <Flannel> zhxk: Or, usually.
[09:06] <zhxk> Flannel:nothing happens if /away issued
[09:11] <topyli> zhxk: the document you're reading is probably referring to public away messages. away reasons are good, public announcements are not
[09:23] <zhxk> topyli:well, i may just keep silent for away, i have know billions of ziltch
[09:23] <ikonia> zhxk: morinng 
[09:23] <ikonia> morning even
[09:25] <zhxk> +iknoia:morning, what is the time at your place?
[09:25] <ikonia> before 12:00 
[09:25] <ikonia> zhxk: you want to be unbanned as I understand it ?
[09:26] <zhxk> ikonia:yes, unbanding is desired
[09:27] <ikonia> zhxk: ok, so can you explain why you have behaved like you have done ?
[09:27] <ikonia> 1.) with "joke" links 2.) persistant ban dodging in multiple channels 3.) freenode staff have had to step in because you where that much of an issue in #debian
[09:28] <ikonia> the last two do not effect your ban - however because of the effort reqruied with them, I'm asking you to explain them as I feel it shows your behaviour in ubuntu was not a "joke" and that you are a serial issue in general 
[09:30] <ikonia> for futher reference - you also admitted you knew you where ban dodging in a pm to me - so if you can explain that, I'm more than happy to look at lifting the ban
[09:35] <ikonia> zhxk: are you still there ?
[09:35] <zhxk> iknoia:i'm here now
[09:35] <ikonia> ok, if you could respond to my questions we'll see if we can sort this out 
[09:41] <Myrtti> zhxk: we're not going to lift the bans if you don't answer the questions
[09:42] <ikonia> this is typical behaviour
[09:42] <Myrtti> yup
[09:43] <Myrtti> zhxk: we're not going to play cat and mouse with you for long
[09:44] <zhxk> 1.)well as you know the Smolia sea is not so peace, and news about piracy is so close and frequent.  2.) i'm studying linux systems so i need to to have conversations with others that have the same interesting. 3)what do you mean?
[09:44] <ikonia> zhxk 2.) ban evading - why do you persistantly try to get around bans in multiple channels (the fact that you are banned in multiple channels is not a good sign) 
[09:45] <ikonia> 3.) you where an issue in #debian yesterday and freenode staff had to get involved, as I also had to involve freenode staff yesterday 
[09:45] <ikonia> as I said - these are not factors on your ban, I'm trying to understand your behaviour 
[09:46] <ikonia> I asked you why you where trying to ban dodge and you played stupid with me like you didn't know what you where doing, but then you changed and said you did know what you where doing and wanted to know how I worked out it was you
[09:46] <ikonia> that to me tells me you know what you are doing when you are being a problem - and playing dumb about it
[09:46] <ikonia> hence why I'm asking you the questions
[09:48] <zhxk> konia:i know, you mean the channel #cross-lfs?
[09:48] <ikonia> I'm saying specific - I'm asking you about your behaviour in general 
[09:54] <ikonia> zhxk: hello ?
[09:54] <zhxk> ikonia:well,intractable questions to answer, my english is not so good, i come to here for questions and helps
[09:55] <ikonia> zhxk: I understand your English is not the best, don't worry about that
[09:55] <ikonia> zhxk: you seem to be able to pick which questions you understand so I'll try to make it clear
[09:55] <ikonia> zhxk: "Why do you try to get around bans in channels"
[09:56] <zhxk> ikonia:well, just for stay with experts that may help
[09:57] <ikonia> ok, that's enough for me - zhxk from my point of view I don't think you should be in the #ubuntu channels at this time
[09:57] <zhxk> iknoia:i don't know how to contact to them outside a channel yet
[09:57] <ikonia> zhxk: in my opinion you know exactly what you are doing
[09:57] <ikonia> zhxk: you did - you contacted me outside the channel
[09:58] <ikonia> and you knew how to contact the other operator who banned you and also pm flooded him
[09:58] <ikonia> my personal opinion based on what I've seen from you is that you know what you are doing
[09:58] <zhxk> ikonia:i just got it
[09:58] <elky> zhxk, what is your language?
[09:59] <ikonia> zhxk: I'd say come back in a week and lets see if your reputation has improved
[10:00] <zhxk> iknoia:i havn't found a way to declare who is the expert without observing their behivers in channels yet
[10:03] <zhxk> ikonia:do you mean pm--personal message?
[10:03] <zhxk> pm=personal message?
[10:03] <ikonia> correct
[10:04] <ikonia> zhxk: I suggest you come back in a week and see if you have lost your tag of trouble
[10:06] <ikonia> do you understand what I'm saying
[10:06] <zhxk> 1)"come back in a week"? come back to #ubuntu ina week? 2)tag? what's tag?
[10:06] <ikonia> zhxk: come back to this channel in a week. tag - is badge, label, mark, 
[10:07] <elky> zhxk, 'tag' is what people think when they see you
[10:08] <zhxk> i'm starting to comprehend
[10:08] <elky> zhxk, where are you from?
[10:08] <Myrtti> china
[10:08] <zhxk> correct
[10:08] <Myrtti> broad.wz.zj.dynamic.163data.com.cn
[10:09] <zhxk> people don't use irc in china
[10:10] <elky> zhxk, you should always act like your parents or grandparents are watching you.
[10:10] <elky> that's for *all* internet behaviour.
[10:11] <zhxk> en, good idea, i may having funs in a channel that usaly shuldn't
[10:12] <ikonia> well I must get back to what I was doing for 25 minutes, elky / Myrtti would you be dreams and finish up for me please. 
[10:13] <ikonia> zhxk: sorry - I have to step out for a short while
[10:13] <zhxk> go ahead
[10:13] <elky> zhxk, we will still wait and watch you to see how well you go at behaving. you can come back and see us in a week from now.
[10:15] <zhxk> so,may i ask ubuntu related questions here instead of #ubuntu?
[10:16] <elky> zhxk, no. you can use the ubuntuforums.org boards instead. or the chinese version of the forums
[10:16] <elky> http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/ i believe is the chinese forums
[10:17] <zhxk> logger
[10:19] <elky> you dont need to be in this channel for the next week.
[10:20] <zhxk> good forum! see you later
[10:33] <elky> zhxk, you should leave this channel so we dont confuse you for other people
[10:47] <elky> zhxk, this channel has a no-idling policy.
[10:52] <zhxk> iknoia:well, i'm reading what you have said, and begin to comprehend, there may be a misapprehension:i pm flood none of people. and i should to admit that i once had type may "a' with enter key, thought it might be a way to clean up the the screen, that scrools to fast, sorry to that.
[11:05] <Myrtti> zhxk: please leave and come back in a week
[11:07] <zhxk> Myrtti:do you mean live this channel, and then return after that?
[11:07] <Myrtti> yes, next week the same time
[11:09] <zhxk> in a week means that?
[11:09] <zhxk> okay, byebye
[11:38] <bazhang> odd choice of newnick
[11:39] <elky> he just attacked #debian-offtopic
[11:40] <bazhang> so the reading comprehension fail was just a scam?
[11:41] <elky> of course it was
[11:41] <bazhang> aha
[11:41] <elky> he was perfectly comprehensive with stew earlier
[11:42] <elky> bazhang, http://pastebin.ca/1408342
[11:42] <bazhang> glad I did not unban at the time then, and called up i k o n i a
[11:42] <bazhang> elky, thanks
[11:49] <elky> he does not appear to be on freenode currently
 hello, how to setup an irc server on debian?
[12:58] <elky> bazhang, -ENOCONTEXT
[12:58] <bazhang> elky, sorry, he was just asking that in #freenode
[12:58] <jussi01_> anyone got backlog of planet ubuntu?
[12:59] <bazhang> wonder if he has been banned from #debian as well
[12:59] <elky> bazhang, he is. thats why the log above exists
[12:59] <bazhang> whoa, #debian then debian-ot, seems a pattern emerging
[13:00] <jussi01_> Im looking for a post from about a week back from someone explaining stuff about jaunty release. mighta been emma jane?
[13:01] <elky> jussi01_, try going to her blog specifically and looking at her archives
[13:01] <jussi01_> elky: yeah, Im looking... 
[13:02] <jussi01_> nope, wasnt emma jane :/
[13:02] <jussi01_> grr
[13:02] <jussi01_> I need it
[13:03] <jussi01_> where is Myrtti  when I need her...
[13:04] <elky> bazhang, no, not banned from #d it seems
[13:06] <Pici> jussi01_: Any more context than that? I need something to search for on Google Reader
[13:06] <Pici> jussi01_: Searching for Jaunty and/or Release isn't going to narrow things down much
[13:08] <Myrtti> jussi01_: packing
[13:10] <Myrtti> jussi01_: maco?
[13:10] <Myrtti> jussi01_: http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com/2009/04/jaunty-faq.html
[13:17] <Myrtti> right, laptop goes off now
[13:21] <bazhang> oh erry is back
[13:25] <elky> bazhang, any problems from her yet?
[13:25] <bazhang> elky, still banned from #ubuntu channels
[13:26] <bazhang> just making more threats against freenode
[13:26] <elky> then you dont need to worry.
[13:26] <bazhang> right, sorry.
[13:30] <Pici> topyli: I take it that wasn't his first language warning?
[13:31] <topyli> his language was a coincidence
[13:31] <topyli> simply removing a troll
[14:14] <stew> ikonia: what problem was zhxk making in #debian?
[14:14] <ikonia> stew: few days ago you mentioned you where having a hard time with him
[14:14] <ikonia> he was just repeating things on Tuesday.
[14:15] <stew> yeah, i had a hard time understanding english to help him get root mounted from his initrd
[14:15] <ikonia> help
[14:15] <ikonia> help
[14:15] <ikonia> help
[14:15] <ikonia> that sort of thing
[14:15] <ikonia> (but with slightly bigger gaps)
[14:15] <ikonia> I can't make up my mind on his intention as he seems to have selective communication issues
[14:16] <stew> oh, i had no idea this was happening in #debian too
[14:16] <ikonia> and ubuntu
[14:16] <ikonia> and a few others
[14:16] <ikonia> although he was banned from ubuntu for a stupid phisging gag
[14:16] <ikonia> phishing even
[14:17] <stew> i've gone through everything he's done in ubuntu several times
[14:17] <ikonia> oh really
[14:17] <stew> i've never seen him do anything wrong in #debian, where he has spoken a lot more
[14:17] <ikonia> I've hardly speen him speak in #debian - but thank again I'm not that active in there
[14:18] <ikonia> thank again ??? sorry, then again
[14:22] <stew> i can't find him doing anything wrong in #debian
[14:22] <stew> other than having a hard time with english
[14:26] <ikonia> fair enough
[14:27] <ikonia> you'll note he attempted to ban dodge in here again, changed his nick and tried to join #ubuntu so was forwarded here
[14:27] <ikonia> I'll try to see if I have the logs from debian 
[14:28] <bazhang> #debian-offtopic was banned
[14:28] <ikonia> nah, I'm pretty sure it was in #debian
[14:28] <bazhang> paste is above from e l k y
[14:29] <ikonia> he's not a pain in any channels for me at the moment so it's a non-issue, however the ban dodging and selective english does make me question his level of ability and intention
[14:32] <stew> i think his selective english is due to selectively working translation software
[14:32] <stew> and I maintain that he doesn't have malicious intent, but cluelessness
[14:33] <ikonia> whats with the ban dodging ?
[14:33] <LjL> about who we are talking? i be not sure.
[14:33] <stew> he thought he was banned in error.  he didn't know that you banned him or why becuase he had you on ignore
[14:34] <ikonia> what about in ubuntu
[14:34] <stew> and I don't think he realized how serious of a problem ban dodging is
[14:34] <ikonia> and he thought he was banned in error 4 times and after a pm conversation asking him to stop
[14:35] <ikonia> and he's just tried it in here by the looks of it, 30 seconds after being asked not to ?
[14:35] <ikonia> LjL: zxkh
[14:35] <stew> ikonia: what nick did he use in here?
[14:35] <LjL> the one with the treasure?!
[14:35] <stew> yes
[14:35] <bazhang> bush
[14:36] <ikonia> yes, bush, sorry can't see the log
[14:36] <bazhang> * bush (i=zhxk@60.181.40.176) has joined #ubuntu-ops
[14:36] <stew> ok
[14:36] <ikonia> and as we saw yesterday he was trying multiple clients to get passed bans
[14:36] <ikonia> eg 2 - 3 people on line at the same time
[14:36] <LjL> he currently has two online
[14:37] <LjL> ikonia: by the way, banning ?=zhxk@ instead of i=zhxk@ will prevent his from joining after turning identd off :)
[14:37] <LjL> (which he has in one of the two clients he's online as)
[14:38] <ikonia> LjL: nice tip, thank you
[14:39] <Pici> I suggest always using ?= instead of n= or i= for any bans.
[14:40] <ikonia> LjL:  Pici updated, will do 
[14:40] <ikonia> thank you
[14:40] <LjL> might also want to ban @125.109.2* if you really want him banned
[14:41] <LjL> he's used to subnets in the past, one is that and one is the one you banned already
[14:43] <ikonia> just keep any eye on him, he's causing no problem for us at the moment, unless you feel strongly enough to put a ban on the other ip 
[14:43] <ikonia> as I said, I'm not %100 of his intent, but I believe due to phising/selective translation/ban dodging it's not good
[14:45] <ikonia> LjL: can you remember who approached you about lifting erry's ban, there was two freenode staff members trying to mentor her
[14:47] <LjL> ikonia: w00t
[14:47] <ikonia> ?
[14:47] <Pici> ikonia: w00t is the staff members nick
[14:47] <ikonia> ahh
[14:47] <stew> (who's technically not staff)
[14:47] <ikonia> sorry thought it was a "Jauntys out" type of w00t
[14:49] <Pici> stew: For some reason I'm thinking that he was involved with atheme but had some sort of special freenode staff status, or am I just making things up?
[14:49] <LjL> w00t!n=w00t@freenode/developer/w00t
[14:49] <Pici> now unaffiliated/w00t
[14:49] <LjL> yes
[14:49] <LjL> was freenode developer when he approached me
[15:09] <zhxk> hello?
[15:09] <bazhang> zhxk, hi
[15:10] <zhxk> is it forbidon to switch name?
[15:11] <bazhang> normally no; to evade bans yes
[15:11] <stew> zhxk: it is forbidden to use a different name to try to get around your ban, as I made it perfectly clear to you multiple times
[15:11] <stew> zhxk: which you claim you understood
[15:11] <stew> and you claim to recall my telling you that yesterday
[15:12] <zhxk> exactly
[15:12] <stew> zhxk: so you ask #ubuntu-ops in order to confirm what I've said?
[15:14] <zhxk> well,take it easy, i'm studying how to have a good atmosphere over IRC
[15:15] <LjL> carbon credits are the key
[15:17] <zhxk> what is carbon credits?
[15:19] <LjL> basically i don't troll for a week, and you can pay me an amount of money to freely troll for a week in my place
[15:19] <Pici> LjL: don't give him any ideas.
[15:19] <ikonia> zhxk: why did you change your nickname to "bush" and try to re-enter ubuntu ?
[15:19] <ikonia> or did you rejoin this channel on purpose ?
[15:23] <zhxk> well, it seems that you have all the records, but i really dont retry to enter #ubuntu again
[15:23] <ikonia> ok, 
[15:26] <zhxk> any questions about me?
[15:26] <ikonia> not from me
[15:28] <zhxk> have a nice time
[15:28] <ikonia> and you
[15:30] <bazhang> ?
[15:31] <bazhang> zhxk, thought you were going to re-join here in a week from now
[15:32] <zhxk> anyway, i have to thanks to stew, that he/she gave me a way to have conversation to #ubuntu-ops, otherwise, i'll dont know its exitance
[15:32] <zhxk> ok
[15:32] <zhxk> bye
[16:48] <Pici> Well, at least sometimes -offtopic is self-policing.
[16:48] <LjL> Pici: maybe, but that's not a case demonstrating such... :(
[16:49] <Pici> LjL: not really. 
[16:49] <Pici> LjL: er, I mean you're right.
[16:49] <LjL> Pici: yes, sure, i did not understand not something not different from what you didn't mean
[16:51] <Pici> LjL: I'm glad we're on the same page then
[17:12] <LjL> stew, #ubuntu in case you didn't get hilighted
[17:13] <stew> great
[17:13] <stew> expect him to return shortly
[17:13] <stew> this is MagnusSwe if that means anything to you guys
[17:13] <stew> (afact)
[17:13] <LjL> doesn't ring a bell here
[17:14] <stew> gadmintools upstream author
[17:15] <LjL> oh lord?!
[17:15] <LjL> at least i'm pretty sure i've never used that program, that's a relief
[17:16] <Pici> who is who?
[17:16] <genii> I think you need to uppercase the X on that nick in #u he's still around
[17:17] <LjL> genii: he was just muted
[17:17] <genii> Ah, OK
[17:17] <Pici> And nicks aren't case sensitive.
[17:17] <Pici> Rather, bans are not case sensitive.
[17:18] <LjL> Pici: magnusswe is x0rcitic if i understood this correctly, and google confirms magnusswe is the author of that program (which is in our repositories, too)
[17:18] <stew> i'm not positive its magnusswe
[17:18] <stew> but it feels like it
[17:18] <LjL> stew: anyway, if it feels like it, it means this magnusswe is pretty bad anyway.
[17:19] <stew> someone from sweden that feels like i don't have the right to persecute them becuase they are an open source developer and I am not
[17:19] <stew> which is wrong on many points
[17:19] <stew> which certainly feels like magnusswe
[17:20] <genii> My first thought at seeing the nick is that X0rcitic was also X0rbit   ... although the hostmask is different
[17:20] <LjL> it's quite demoralizing
[17:20] <stew> but what just happened in #ubuntu is a spillover of me muting whoever it is from dialup.ice.net in ##linux
[18:20] <genii> "<ubottu> cut off..."     factoid !derivatives   too large or so?
[18:20] <LjL> i guess, i've seen it happen sometimes but kind of inconsistently
[18:21] <LjL> (and for the record, if it's intended, i don't think it's a good idea to put that on a separate line...)
[18:21] <genii> Maybe with usage like !factoid | theirname                    if the factoid is within the length of their username of being too large or something
[18:22] <tsimpson> !-derivatives
[18:22] <tsimpson> genii: 
[18:22] <LjL> wha
[18:22] <LjL> !derivatives-also
[18:23]  * LjL is perplexed
[18:23] <genii> Yes, that is weird
[18:23] <tsimpson> it's an -also
[18:23] <LjL> yes but why on earth is it there
[18:23] <Pici> !derivatives
[18:23] <tsimpson> ask the author :)
[18:24] <Pici> ubottu: forget derivatives-also
[18:24] <LjL> [01:19] <Pricey> oh, !derivatives references !mintsupport
[18:24] <LjL> [01:19] <Pici> yes
[18:24] <LjL> [01:19] <Pricey> !derivatives is also cut off...
[18:24] <LjL> [18:24] <Pici> oops
[18:24]  * LjL rolls eyes
[18:24] <Pici> :P
[18:24] <tsimpson> heh
[18:25]  * genii hands out more coffees
[18:25] <Pici> I was going to say I remember discussing that factoid with him
[18:25] <LjL> by the way, i still don't see why Linux Mint is being treated separately
[18:25] <LjL> and also where is Ultimate Edition gone
[18:27] <Pici> hrm, I could have sworn that was in there.
[18:27] <LjL> it was
[18:27] <LjL> no idea when it disappeared, not in my logs
[18:27] <Pici> LjL: because mint is not on this irc network
[18:28] <Pici> !mintsupport
[18:28] <tsimpson> mint isn't open source ;)
[18:28] <LjL> Pici: saying "support in #channel on network" (which is just what !mintsupport says) doesn't make it so awfully longer, does it
[18:28] <tsimpson> should that be an irc:// link?
[18:29] <Pici> Perhaps
[18:29] <LjL> if those work in realworld clients
[18:31] <tsimpson> works in xchat (right click -> connect)
[18:32] <LjL> isn't even treated as a link in my konversation, but then again konversation isn't a supported client anymore
[18:33] <tsimpson> it works in konversation for me
[18:33] <LjL> tsimpson: err... what's the actual syntax?
[18:34] <tsimpson> irc://<server>/<channel>
[18:34] <tsimpson> the # is optional in <channel>
[18:34] <LjL> doesn't work here then
[18:34] <LjL> i'm on some random svn
[18:34] <LjL> (of the 3.5 version)
[18:36] <tsimpson> buckets of fail in quassel
[18:36] <LjL> i thought quassel was *programmed* in fail? :P
[18:36] <tsimpson> btw, I have konversation 1.1-1ubuntu2
[18:37] <tsimpson> LjL: it sees it as a link, but tries to preview in in a WebKit window :p
[18:37] <LjL> tsimpson: i think my konqueror did something similar last time i tried
[18:40] <tsimpson> I remember there being some issue with konversation and kopete (kde3)
[18:40] <tsimpson> because both handle the irc:// protocol
[18:41] <LjL> it should go to telnet
[19:20] <Seeker`> aww
[20:18] <Pici> hrm.
[20:22] <Tetracomm> Hello. I found that the #ubuntu channel is filled with numerous people and that so many conversations are taking place at once, pushing people's questions and answers up before they are seen. I created two channels to help with this situation. One for audio/video issues in Ubuntu, and the other for compatibility, do you want to see them?
[20:23] <Pici> Tetracomm: This isn't the first time that this question has been brought up. We have weighed the pros and cons of doing this in the past and always come to the conclusion that it would be better to keep one channel.  By splitting the channels you acheive two things that we do not want:
[20:24] <Pici> 1) Everyone who joins gets told to ask their question somewhere else, so that #ubuntu just turns into a lobby. 2) You split the finite resources of people willing to support others into two channels.
[20:25] <Tetracomm> Ok.
[20:55] <Pici> stupid spammer
[20:56] <tsimpson> Pici: lawbreaker13 is in #ubuntu
[20:58] <Pici> tsimpson: ty
[21:09] <Pici> Gotta run for a bit, Sexuntu may be trouble in #u
[21:12] <Seeker`> that isn't really an appropriate nick is it?
[21:13] <LjL> oh lord the inappropriate nick witchhunt
[21:14] <LjL> sex means six in swedish, perhaps he's swedish
[21:21] <TornilloTorcido> Hola?
[21:21] <LjL> bonnesoir
[21:21] <TornilloTorcido> Tengo un problema con #ubuntu-es y #ubuntu-es-offtopic
[21:22] <TornilloTorcido> tienen historial de esos canales para que ustedes vean si realmente merecia ser baneado?
[21:22] <LjL> pregunta en #ubuntu-irc, este canal solo es dedicado a #ubuntu y otros canales anglohablantes
[21:22] <TornilloTorcido> porque P3L|C4N0 y erUSUL me banearon.
[21:23] <LjL> bueno, nada podemos hacer nosotros aqui, y el canal es de Pelicano, decide el
[21:23] <TornilloTorcido> ah, como que es de Pelicano? es su fundador??
[21:24] <LjL>  /msg chanserv info #ubuntu-es
[21:27] <TornilloTorcido> ah, gracias LjL
[21:27] <TornilloTorcido> pero lamentablemente ya intente hablar con Pelicano y no hubo respuesta.
[21:28] <LjL> TornilloTorcido: pues pregunta en #ubuntu-irc, creo que allí habia también otros operadores de #ubuntu-es
[21:29] <Seeker`> LjL: maybe, but its a british IP
[21:29] <LjL> Seeker`: i know. was just a way to say i think excessive nickpicking can be excessive
[21:33] <Seeker`> meh
[22:05] <Seeker`> Tetracomm: how can we help you?
[22:11] <Tetracomm> Hello. My question was answered already.
[22:11] <Tetracomm> They don't want any more Ubuntu channels.
[22:11] <Tetracomm> :(
[22:11] <Tetracomm> I still like the idea.
[22:12] <Seeker`> please don't idle in here
[23:00] <Flannel> ##ubuntu-av and ##ubuntu-compatability? really?
[23:07] <Seeker`> hmm?
[23:07] <tsimpson> those are the channels Tetracomm registered
[23:34] <Myrtti> greetings from Finland
[23:35] <Pici> Welcome back
[23:46] <Seeker`> heya Myrtti 
[23:53] <Myrtti> hiya Seeker` 
[23:53] <Seeker`> how be?