[00:17] <bryce> of course wouldn't you know it, as soon as I'm ready to put this fix in, launchpad goes down!
[00:27] <CShadowRun> Murphy's law +1
[00:58] <NCommander> CShadowRun, whenever your ready to fix something, Launchpad goes down?
[00:58] <CShadowRun> NCommander yup, that's murphys law
[00:59] <CShadowRun> Murphys law: Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong
[00:59] <NCommander> :-)
[00:59] <CShadowRun> and it always happens at the most annoying time too.
[01:01] <NCommander> CShadowRun, Murphy's Law only fails when trying to prove Murphy's Law, thereby succeeding
[01:02] <CShadowRun> haha
[01:02] <NCommander> :-)
[04:46] <alex_mayorga> bryce: ping
[04:47] <alex_mayorga> Hi, can anyone take a quick look at bug 213171 please?
[09:50] <bryce> http://www2.bryceharrington.org:8080/X/PkgList/versions_current.html  <-- updated for karmic
[15:14] <lesshaste>  my X just spontaneously rebooted with this helpful backtrace (see end of log) http://pastebin.com/f373a4ba0
[16:27] <mnemo> lesshaste: fglrx doesn't support xserver 1.6 yet so right now you are recommended to use the -ati driver for radeon cards on jaunty.. see this bug for details: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/313027
[16:27] <lesshaste> mnemo: that's very interesting but I am hardy
[16:28] <lesshaste> mnemo: I am on hardy
[16:28] <mnemo> oh, I see.. ok
[16:29] <tjaalton> mnemo: the latest version does support it, and jaunty has a prerelease version that also supports 1.6..
[16:30] <mnemo> oh I see
[16:30] <lesshaste> mnemo: the problem is my lack of debug symbols I assume
[16:30] <lesshaste> how can I get those?
[16:31] <mnemo> lesshaste: probably this will work.. sudo apt-get -y install xserver-xorg-core-dbg libgl1-mesa-dri-dbg
[16:31] <mnemo> but you cant get debug symbols for fglrx afaik
[16:32] <lesshaste> ok thanks.. is that what is missing in my backtrace?
[16:33] <mnemo> no yours seems to have only X symbols missing
[16:34] <mnemo> in general, you can determine in what package a file ships using for example the command "dpkg -S /usr/bin/X" and then you can see if there is a blah-dbg package for that... and if there isn't you can enable ddebs repos and then install package_name-dbgsym
[16:34] <lesshaste> thanks.. I am installing the packages you mentioned
[16:34] <lesshaste> and we'll see for next time.. one that I don't understand is that I never get anything in /var/crash
[16:35] <lesshaste> I have  enabled=1 in /etc/default/apport
[16:36] <mnemo> tjaalton: do you know if jaunty will ship a new mesa7.4 based on the upstream stable branch?
[16:36] <lesshaste> does an X crash not trigger apport?
[16:37] <mnemo> lesshaste: apport is disabled in stable release but you can force it to start by running "sudo force_start=1 /etc/init.d/apport start"
[16:37] <mnemo> (maybe thats the same as enable=1 that you mention? not sure)
[16:38] <mnemo> tjaalton: because I have found an extremely attractive cherry pick for -ati this morning
[16:38] <lesshaste> mnemo: thanks
[16:38] <lesshaste> just tried it
[16:43] <mnemo> tjaalton: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/368049
[17:03] <lesshaste> mnemo: out of interest..are all these drmOpenDevice: lines in my log normal?
[17:21] <jbarnes> bryce: what's the url for the xorg blueprints?
[17:24] <tjaalton> mnemo: not sure
[17:25] <tjaalton> mnemo: also, the package should be changed to mesa
[17:25] <tjaalton> afk, bbq ->
[17:26] <jbarnes> bryce: heh nevermind... /me looks at /topic
[19:44] <pwnguin> what's going on with bug #214668?
[19:44] <pwnguin> bugwatch moved it from fix released to confirmed