[00:00] zoredache, true. of course in the OSS world the user can decide what he uses. but more and more we've gone in the model (at least in ubuntu) that the release is a product and many people take it as the definite system and are not willing to change things. [00:00] I was updating via CLI and it locked up, I've managed to get back to working in a GUI but I need to empty my sources.list and put the right stuff in there. [00:00] charlie-tca, and what happens when ppl want xubuntu to behave more like ( a long limb here ) windows ? [00:01] I don't think that will ever happen [00:01] artistxe, the basic idea is, in the end, that any developer won't do any decision he doesn't agree with. that's why user requests are partly ignored. but of course, in open source, you can modify the app yourself and there you go, you have what you want. [00:02] artistxe: if there where people that wanted that, they would probably fork, because I doubt the current people working on xubuntu would go that direction [00:02] artistxe, if people ask us to include kde's plasma into xubuntu, it won't happen. that's not the direction the developers are willing to go. [00:02] artistxe, zoredache is totally correct. [00:03] oh, I know that xubuntu would not go in that direction . I am just saying ( from my own experience) the end user is ( my personal philosophy ) not always right and needs to be told what they want [00:04] fascism it is not [00:04] artistxe, if a end user wants xubuntu to act like windows, we most propably point him to windows. [00:04] exactly [00:04] charlie-tca, uncheck all of the ones under "Downloadable from the internet" ? [00:04] artistxe, if you don't agree with the development team, you don't have to use the release. [00:05] again you are right [00:05] artistxe, if you are active, you can join the team and try to change things. that is possible. [00:05] knome. in the future I will consider it . too many other projects right now. [00:05] yes, djs [00:05] artistxe, very rare projects are lead by just one person. [00:06] I'll try that thanks. [00:06] blender 2.5 is still being worked on. [00:06] djs: that will clear the sources list, you probably should uncheck the ones under Third-Party Software, too [00:06] artistxe, the direction of projects are a sum of many peoples ideas. [00:07] artistxe, heh, didn't mean that *you* should join (you can if you want, though). just meant that it is possible for any user. [00:07] the concept of " the sum of many peoples ideas " is difficult to apprehend at times [00:08] artistxe, of course there is times when people disagree. then it's the project leader or the team leader(for example artwork) [00:08] artistxe, ...who makes the final decision [00:08] knome. you are in Finland right now I see. I am visiting the states and still trying to cope with the idea of this "democracy" they have here [00:08] how about menus? how does that go down? [00:08] artistxe, i live in finland :) [00:08] charlie-tca, they are all already unchecked under third party, should they be? [00:09] PingJocky, sorry? [00:09] yes. Now you close it, then when you open it, just check the ones in again on Download from internet. that should rebuild the list. [00:09] I have to go now. [00:09] charlie-tca, see you o/ [00:09] Ok, thank you. [00:09] i was wondering if a simple discision like menus was also done through commity? [00:10] PingJocky, which menus are you talking about? [00:10] knome. I would not assume that you live there. anyway, my point is : the sum of many ideas usually ends the way that a popularity contest does ( the democracy construct ) [00:10] xubunbu [00:10] PingJocky: they came from XFCE itself [00:10] ah ok [00:10] thats all i was wondering [00:10] PingJocky, also the discussion is rarely pushed in the *community* but only the developer community [00:10] PingJocky, which is way narrower field [00:11] PingJocky, we believe we can do the right decisions for our users [00:11] looks like the menus are an upstream desicion [00:11] PingJocky, yes. the menus now are compatible with the freedesktop spec [00:12] i must say that xubuntu 9.04 works great on my eeepc 1000 [00:13] artistxe, usually. but there is people who are experts on specific subjects. i strongly feel that those people should be team leaders and they should be listened and their opinion should be valued more than the others in disagreement situations [00:13] PingJocky, nice to hear [00:13] PingJocky, which kernel do you use? [00:13] generic [00:14] the one that comes with it [00:14] right. does all the hardware work with it? [00:14] oh yeah!! there is some wireless goodness built in [00:14] nice. [00:14] this is what i have been looking for [00:14] i heard that jaunty is supporting netbooks way better than intrepid did. [00:15] there would've been the array.org kernel for earlier ubuntu versions [00:15] oh yeah [00:15] i use to run the array.org kernel [00:15] right. i still run it under intrepid on my eepc, but i don't use the eepc much. [00:16] its my main computer [00:16] d'oh :) [00:16] where can i go to find a list of drivers for eeepc? [00:16] well, other then my work computer [00:16] anyway . need to get back to work . later ppls [00:16] later artistxe [00:16] artistxe, was nice talking to you. see you later [00:16] you will [00:16] and same. nice chatting [00:17] evilbug, what do you exactly need? [00:17] i can't control system volume with the built-in media keys. [00:18] evilbug, which xubuntu version are you using? [00:18] knome: 9.04 on an 1000he eeepc. [00:19] evilbug, there should be support for that, but you can try http://array.org/ubuntu/ [00:19] evilbug, you can use the intrepid (8.10) kernel even on your jaunty (9.04) machine. [00:20] I am using xubuntu 9.04, (still using the beta). I want to update since it was officially released, but before updating I want to make sure I have the right sources in my sources.list. This is what I have in my sources.list file deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty main universe restricted multiverse. Is this correct? [00:21] djs, looks correct. [00:21] Last time I had some problems because I had the wrong sources, I'm just making sure. Thanks. [00:22] is there a flash plugin for the 64bit version? [00:22] kromar, yes. [00:22] where do i find that? [00:22] kromar, in synaptic search for flash [00:22] there is only the flash plugin for firefox [00:23] and i dont use firefox [00:23] also i tried that and it dindt work [00:23] kromar, then i don't have an idea. [00:23] alsways told me the plugin was missing [00:23] kromar, the flash plugin works for me with firefox [00:23] knome, Do you know where I could find some official documentation showing what the sources.list should look like? [00:24] djs, the sources.list for ubuntu jaunty or in general? [00:25] !sources.list [00:25] The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories [00:25] if i screwed up my desktop settings, what ~/. folders do i need to remove to set it back to stock? [00:26] PingJocky: How and what did you screw up? [00:26] Maybe there's a way out of that without purging your entire home directory. ;) [00:26] knome, I just want to make sure my system isn't going to blow up like last time. ;) [00:26] it isnt anything specific [00:26] djs, it looks correct. just update :P [00:26] i just want to purge my home folders [00:27] ubottu, I'll take a look at those links. [00:27] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [00:27] haha [00:27] knome, ok. [00:28] PingJocky: It really depends what you want to remove. The config files are spread over your entire home directory. [00:28] brb [00:29] is Gnomenu in xubuntu 9. [00:29] is Gnomenu in xubuntu 9.04 repos? [00:29] PingJocky: if I where to guess, I would think I would start by renaming or removing your .config directory... [00:29] is it normal for everything bar windows apps via wine to be quicker in xubuntu than in gnome? [00:30] satansaunt, if you have little ram, you will see performance difference, yes. [00:30] zoredache: I wish applications would honor that directory ... [00:31] satansaunt, "little ram" is maybe <1GB [00:31] merci [00:31] i've got 1gb [00:31] satansaunt, depends also on which apps you are running simultaneously. [00:31] i figured that [00:31] * JPohlmann makes her explode with erotic fire! Err ... [00:32] anyone know? [00:32] JPohlmann, wrong channel? [00:32] R1cochet, didn't find it. [00:32] thank you [00:32] knome: Just wanted to share the latest spam mail headline with you ;) [00:32] is there a link where i can view the new repos? [00:32] hehe [00:32] R1cochet, http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/ [00:33] R1cochet, you can search on http://packages.ubuntu.com/ [00:33] so the only two things i don't have support for so far on my eee are sound card and wifi on/off toggle. [00:33] is the 9.04 worth the 2 hour download and unpacking? [00:33] evilbug, did you try the array.org kernel? [00:33] satansaunt: just download the alternative via bittorrent and upgrade through a cd. [00:33] satansaunt, yes. [00:34] knome: i haven't yet, no. [00:34] evilbug, with that kernel everything should work. [00:34] knome: thank you [00:35] knome: is it that 9.04 doesn't support eee yet? [00:35] knome: fully i mean. [00:35] evilbug, jaunty should support it natively better than the earlier ubuntu kernels. [00:35] knome: alright. [00:35] evilbug, the array.org kernel repository is *not* official ubuntu repo [00:41] got it... ~/.config [00:43] ah... thats better [01:10] one more thing. when i start pidgin, the pidgin icont won't show up on the right side of the top panel as it usually should. any clues? [01:20] wont show at all? [01:20] when i start the icon is grayish untill it connects [01:20] R1cochet: won't show at all. [01:20] the skype icon shows up though... [01:22] R1cochet: also when i click the close button on the buddy list it quits out of pidgin instead of minimizing it to the tray. [01:22] that might be an option setting [01:22] have u gone through the settings? [01:24] tools>preferences [01:26] R1cochet: figured it out, "show system tray: always". i was used to it being like that by default. [01:26] cool [01:32] will 9.04 play the audio to hd videos now? [01:32] on 8.10 the audio doesnt play on some hd videos i have [02:30] hi guys. I was here yesterday trying to figure out why my new xfce wouldnt allow me to configure a second monitor. I have gnome running on the same laptop, and i get the external monitor working perfectly as an extension of my first one. Here's some info. http://pastebin.com/m5273cd06 I would really appreciate someone helping me out here, ive been beating my head against a wall for a week now. [02:30] grfx driver? [02:32] i dont see why it would work with gnome but not with xfce tho. [02:32] meatcar: what kind of video card do you have [02:32] meatcar: intel chipset? [02:33] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] [02:33] are you saying I should reinstall the driver? [02:51] how do i find out what /dev/ is my /media/NEW VOLUME folder? its a usb thumb drive [02:55] MTec007, by using "mount"? [02:55] its mounted, automatically when i plugged it in. [02:56] MTec007, no, i'm talking about typing "mount" in a terminal and hitting enter [02:56] MTec007, of if you like, type mount | grep "/media/NEW VOLUME" [02:58] thank you [02:58] MTec007, you're welcome [03:13] I'm trying to share the printer thats plugged into my xubuntu system with my wife's vista machine, she can see the printer , but when I try tp connect/print it gives an error "ACCES DEINED, UNABLE TO CONNECT" any idea what I'm doing wrong? [03:18] hmmm [03:20] DetroitLiberty, How are you trying to share the printer? And what version of Xubuntu are you using? [03:21] hello room [03:22] Hello [03:22] hello room [03:22] Hi [03:22] hello roomer [03:22] I am stuck with a problem here [03:22] Whats the problem? [03:22] i have an old dell x200 and the cursor disappears when i adjust the brightness [03:23] Thats certainly a weird problem [03:23] change cursor theme? [03:23] Does it come back when you move your mouse? [03:23] lol i wish [03:23] i changed cursor theme and size [03:23] it acts as if its slipped behind the screen [03:24] are you changing the brightness of the screen? hardare ( with the buttons on the pc) or with some utility? [03:24] i can still click things and open menus but unless i switch from graphics view to text and back i have to restart to see cursor [03:24] i am using the fn +the down/up key [03:25] it acts like a video drive (or i suspect but i dont show and cant add a drive in xorg.conf [03:25] my version is 8.10, within the printer settings, i right clicked it and under properties set it to shared [03:25] also have tried Jaunty and reverted back to 8.10 [03:26] cody-sommerville I have installed Samba, but am quite lost on how I"m supposed to configure it [03:27] DetroitLiberty, oh, with Samba. [03:27] cody-somerville, is there another option? [03:27] detroit what are you trying to do ? access a printer? [03:28] I was thinking you were sharing with cups but I forgot the other computer is Windows and not Linux [03:28] yah cups should work tho, just map to the ip. had to do it at work [03:28] they use a windows based server to manage all prints... [03:29] DetroitLiberty, Take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba [03:29] how do you map the IP? [03:29] been there most of the night [03:29] how is the printer setup? I am guessing its a usb printer attached to another pc? [03:29] USB printer attached to my LinuxBox [03:30] via CUPS [03:30] and we're trying to print from the vista machine [03:30] DetroitLiberty, Take a look at that wiki page. It has detailed instructions on how to setup printer sharing using Samba [03:33] so no go for me? or is someone toiling away with pure excitement [03:42] ok guys a new issue has poped up it seems that the text in firefox is acting up as well... could it be a video memory issue? [03:56] I haven't used firefox since the release of firefox 3 [03:56] cody-sommerville I'm trying it via SWAT now, lets hope it goes OK [03:57] anzo, i would love to help, but i have no experience setting up printers, so i am not much better off than you. [03:58] lol i am not setting up printer [03:58] i tried to help detroit with his, as i messed around alot with mine but hes was a bit different [03:58] i am dealing with video issues on an intel 830m video card [03:58] oh snap. heh. yea. i just read the last thing you said... [03:59] its all good, can you help with that ? [04:00] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/157502 [04:00] try that [04:01] can any1 recommend a good torrent client besides deluge or azerus? [04:01] its not a fix it just brings the cursor back, doesnt explain why it goes away [04:01] R1chochet Opera has a really good one built into the browser [04:02] right now synaptic shows that i have xserver-xorg-video-intel installed however when i got to xorg.conf it doesnt show a driver [04:02] really? ill check it out thank you [04:02] any others? deluge is lacking [04:03] bit-torrent is what comes with linux and i found it great [04:03] R1cochet, transmission works fine too. what do you need from it? [04:04] more options, transmission was very simple. id like something like utorrent but native [04:05] anzo, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5310261&postcount=17 <<<<<<<< i liked deluge but it seemed to run slow and selecting dl location was messed [04:05] your best bet would be to google all the possible torrent clients ofr linux. and try each and every one. [04:06] it'll be fun too. :P [04:06] doing that :) [04:06] qtorrent looks nice [04:06] personaly, i avoid using any qt in a gtk environment, or the other way around. [04:06] waste of resources. [04:07] ok thanks for the heads up [04:07] meatcar, ok now here is the noob issue, when i do a sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.config i get an error [04:07] if your pc is better than mine you can pull it off. pentium 4 [04:08] anzo, if youre using xfce, you use sudo mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf [04:08] hurray for the Pentium I that's why we run XFCE! [04:09] on amd64 4400 [04:09] :P [04:11] anyone know of a small virus that wont do much damage to linux that i can test clam-AV with? [04:11] shit no go the mouse still went ghandi [04:12] there are only like 8 viruses out last time i read for linux.... [04:12] ill wiki it or something [04:12] wiki it and you will see the 8 however, if someone took the time to write it [04:12] it is probably going to do some damage [04:12] yeah :/ [04:12] do you have a repair disk? [04:13] oh yeah [04:13] try it on a newly formatted partition [04:13] i can allways reformat [04:13] yeah [04:13] ok that might work [04:13] create a new partition and then if it screws you delete partion [04:13] yeah [04:15] Meat do you think when i edit the xorg file i need to restart? [04:15] heh. i thought you did that already [04:15] yea. [04:15] just log out/in [04:16] i mean the system i added the file and saved it [04:16] well ,actually restart [04:16] anzo: test weith eicar [04:16] just for fun === zoredache_ is now known as zoredache [04:16] whats eicar? [04:16] zoredache, eicar? [04:17] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eicar_test_file [04:17] i switched to text view and back [04:17] lol hey anon zoredache said test eicar [04:18] ok [04:18] i think i know why i didnt care for deluge b4 [04:18] whoops, sorry.. [04:18] i have the one from the repos which is 0.5.9.3 [04:19] the latest is 1.1.7 [04:19] hey meat, do you think the text switch will be enough, or should i log? [04:19] I have a copy of stoned on a 5.25 floppy in a box somewhere [04:19] i used to get stoned :P [04:20] i still do [04:21] ummm. don't mix smoke and sudo. do whatever you want. play around. I'm not sure myself. [04:22] Lol dont mix smoke and sudo would make an awesome shit [04:22] shirt* [04:23] hmm... i should make that. [04:23] dont drink and sudo..... [04:23] only use linux nerds would get it [04:24] hey all isnt there a command for xorg restart? [04:24] yea. ctrl+alt+backspace. [04:24] should i do that in text mode or gui? [04:25] or something like restart-xserver [04:25] i dunno [04:25] lol [04:26] well that would helps tons in testing this i think.... [04:29] the ctrl+alt+bkspace restarts gnome [04:29] oooh... just log out then. [04:29] you wouldve been done by now. [04:29] lol [04:30] lol but then i have to reaccess this [04:30] sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart && exit [04:30] does that look right? [04:31] i dunno. try. [04:31] lol what a knowledge base [04:31] how do i remove a package and all the non-required dependencies? [04:31] want to get rid of old deluge [04:32] purge i think [04:32] sudo apt-get purge [package], and then sudo apt-get autoremove [04:32] WOOT meat drops the info [04:33] E: Couldn't find package Deluge [04:33] interesting cuz im looking right at it [04:33] its probably deluge-xxxx.xx.x.x..xxx [04:33] try using synaptic [04:34] also, watch your cases. [04:36] had to add -torrent to end [04:40] anzo, any luck? [04:40] i havent done anything but done the text and back view [04:41] ok i have a deb package and it says it requires the installation of 9 packages [04:41] ok. install them. [04:42] ok so will this deb have them or do i need to get them myself? [04:43] try to install it. if it errors out, you need t oget them yourself because they werent in the repositories. I think thats how it works. [04:43] well meat the code i gave you restarts but it said gnome [04:43] ok [04:43] its downloading them [04:43] ty\ [04:45] anzo, does your cursor stay now? [04:45] no [04:45] i found a few xedits tho [04:45] so trying the one you gave me [04:45] I have a 30 gig HD. I think I want to partition the drive so the /home folder is by itself (I believe then I can preserve it for the next upgrade). How much space should I allocate to what? Xubuntu 9.04 [04:45] R1cochet, no problem. [04:46] (If i am wrong about how that would work, that'd be good to know) [04:46] http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome [04:47] how would I go about getting my Intel Corporation 82852/855GM card to output S-Video ? It doesn't show as an option in xrandr -q [04:48] wholly crap meat if you were near me i would buy you a beer (providing your 21+) [04:48] sorry, no beer for me then. not even in canada. XD [04:49] ud be fine in mexico [04:49] lol maybe in canada [04:49] how old u b? [04:49] asiks, what do you plan for the home partition. [04:49] anzo, 17. [04:49] it's for my dad. he mostly listens to music and plays chess and sudoku [04:49] lol Illegal Illegal [04:50] asiks, do you wish to use it to keep music, videos, etc.? or is all that on a separate drive? [04:50] to keep the music and stuff. There's only one HD [04:52] 20 for home should be fine. maybe even more. my filesystem takes up 9g. but thats with gnome and xfce. [04:53] hey meatcar man there is a fourm on ubuntufourms.org that was asking the same question i was but it wasnt solved. U should be there hero too [04:53] so if i partition 9 gigs as mount point / and the rest as /home, i should be ok? === crauser is now known as forces [04:53] plus the swap [04:53] yea, you should be fine. [04:53] Asiks, i did 20 gigs on my dual boot and then saved my music on the windows side and opened it with vlc [04:54] if anything, you can repartition later [04:55] but i will be honest the open source audio files tend to be better just less supported [04:56] anzo, if you can be their hero that would be awsome. I need to get some sleep. ttyl guys. glad I could help. :D princedugan try to google your card # and your problem. plenty of help. also, try plain simple xrandr. no args. [05:00] !info xfce4-mcs-manager [05:00] Package xfce4-mcs-manager does not exist in jaunty [05:01] yes, google produces much information on the subject. With solutions like "get an Nvidia card", "just edit your xorg", "just change the driver". I'm not skilled enough to follow most of those instructions. The ones I did follow changed nothing [05:01] is there any other pakage that replaces this ? [05:02] we had this in ibex and former distros versions but not in jaunty anymore :( [05:06] !xfconf [05:06] Sorry, I don't know anything about xfconf [05:06] get an nvidia card seems to be the best suggestion [05:06] !info xfconf [05:06] xfconf (source: xfconf): utilities for managing settings in Xfce. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.6.0-1~ubuntu1 (jaunty), package size 81 kB, installed size 492 kB [05:07] i guess it has been renamed to this [05:11] la la la laaa la [05:11] :) [05:11] take cares all [05:12] god bless you all [05:12] byeeee [05:12] :) [05:17] Cheerful-seeming fellow [05:24] Does anyone else have trouble with VLC not saving preferences? [05:28] i dont do much with vlc [05:29] what program do you use for playing music? [05:29] i kind of can't stand itunes like things [05:29] Depends on the system [05:29] usually just default [05:29] what is the music extension? [05:29] .mp3? [05:29] i have mostly mp3, a handful of mp3, and some ogg [05:29] ogg smokes mp3 [05:30] you should download audacity and have it convert your mp3s to ogg [05:30] i could. can audacity do that in bulk? [05:30] if you want to use mp3 then vlc is one of the only options [05:31] you know what i dont knwo let me see [05:31] i have 2 pcs up [05:33] wow you can take it and click open select your tracks and it will just keep launching audacitys to meet the track requirements [05:33] i am up to 12 [05:33] LOL [05:33] haha [05:33] doesnt seem like it would be fun [05:34] but a track takes about 30 secs to export [05:36] check this out [05:36] http://blog.ifitcangowrong.com/ubuntu/convert-mp3-in-ogg-vorbis-format-using-ubuntu-linux [05:38] Laughing My Ass Off i thought that was all 1 person talking [05:41] interesting [05:41] ogg is generally a bit smaller in file size than mp3, yeah? [05:41] does any one know how to reduce the demand xubuntu and afce puts on your video memory, as i dont have much [05:41] yah, ogg is better quaility (if ripping from cd) and smaller in size [05:44] while this is true, what would be the point of converting mp3 to ogg ? [05:45]