[00:00] <knome> zoredache, true. of course in the OSS world the user can decide what he uses. but more and more we've gone in the model (at least in ubuntu) that the release is a product and many people take it as the definite system and are not willing to change things.
[00:00] <djs> I was updating via CLI and it locked up, I've managed to get back to working in a GUI but I need to empty my sources.list and put the right stuff in there.
[00:00] <artistxe> charlie-tca, and what happens when ppl want xubuntu to behave more like ( a long limb here ) windows ?
[00:01] <charlie-tca> I don't think that will ever happen
[00:01] <knome> artistxe, the basic idea is, in the end, that any developer won't do any decision he doesn't agree with. that's why user requests are partly ignored. but of course, in open source, you can modify the app yourself and there you go, you have what you want.
[00:02] <zoredache> artistxe: if there where people that wanted that, they would probably fork, because I doubt the current people working on xubuntu would go that direction
[00:02] <knome> artistxe, if people ask us to include kde's plasma into xubuntu, it won't happen. that's not the direction the developers are willing to go.
[00:02] <knome> artistxe, zoredache is totally correct.
[00:03] <artistxe> oh, I know that xubuntu would not go in that direction . I am just saying ( from my own experience) the end user is ( my personal philosophy ) not always right and needs to be told what they want
[00:04] <artistxe> fascism it is not
[00:04] <knome> artistxe, if a end user wants xubuntu to act like windows, we most propably point him to windows.
[00:04] <artistxe> exactly
[00:04] <djs> charlie-tca, uncheck all of the ones under "Downloadable from the internet" ?
[00:04] <knome> artistxe, if you don't agree with the development team, you don't have to use the release.
[00:05] <artistxe> again you are right
[00:05] <knome> artistxe, if you are active, you can join the team and try to change things. that is possible.
[00:05] <artistxe> knome. in the future I will consider it . too many other projects right now.
[00:05] <charlie-tca> yes, djs
[00:05] <knome> artistxe, very rare projects are lead by just one person.
[00:06] <djs> I'll try that thanks.
[00:06] <artistxe> blender 2.5 is still being worked on.
[00:06] <charlie-tca> djs: that will clear the sources list, you probably should uncheck the ones under Third-Party Software, too
[00:06] <knome> artistxe, the direction of projects are a sum of many peoples ideas.
[00:07] <knome> artistxe, heh, didn't mean that *you* should join (you can if you want, though). just meant that it is possible for any user.
[00:07] <artistxe> the concept of " the sum of many peoples ideas " is difficult to apprehend at times
[00:08] <knome> artistxe, of course there is times when people disagree. then it's the project leader or the team leader(for example artwork)
[00:08] <knome> artistxe, ...who makes the final decision
[00:08] <artistxe> knome. you are in Finland right now I see. I am visiting the states and still trying to cope with the idea of this "democracy" they have here
[00:08] <PingJocky> how about menus?  how does that go down?
[00:08] <knome> artistxe, i live in finland :)
[00:08] <djs> charlie-tca, they are all already unchecked under third party, should they be?
[00:09] <knome> PingJocky, sorry?
[00:09] <charlie-tca> yes. Now you close it, then when you open it, just check the ones in again on Download from internet. that should rebuild the list.
[00:09] <charlie-tca> I have to go now.
[00:09] <knome> charlie-tca, see you o/
[00:09] <djs> Ok, thank you.
[00:09] <PingJocky> i was wondering if a simple discision like menus was also done through commity?
[00:10] <knome> PingJocky, which menus are you talking about?
[00:10] <artistxe> knome. I would not assume that you live there. anyway, my point is : the sum of many ideas usually ends the way that a popularity contest does ( the democracy construct )
[00:10] <PingJocky> xubunbu
[00:10] <charlie-tca> PingJocky: they came from XFCE itself
[00:10] <PingJocky> ah ok
[00:10] <PingJocky> thats all i was wondering
[00:10] <knome> PingJocky, also the discussion is rarely pushed in the *community* but only the developer community
[00:10] <knome> PingJocky, which is way narrower field
[00:11] <knome> PingJocky, we believe we can do the right decisions for our users
[00:11] <PingJocky> looks like the menus are an upstream desicion
[00:11] <knome> PingJocky, yes. the menus now are compatible with the freedesktop spec
[00:12] <PingJocky> i must say that xubuntu 9.04 works great on my eeepc 1000
[00:13] <knome> artistxe, usually. but there is people who are experts on specific subjects. i strongly feel that those people should be team leaders and they should be listened and their opinion should be valued more than the others in disagreement situations
[00:13] <knome> PingJocky, nice to hear
[00:13] <knome> PingJocky, which kernel do you use?
[00:13] <PingJocky> generic
[00:14] <PingJocky> the one that comes with it
[00:14] <knome> right. does all the hardware work with it?
[00:14] <PingJocky> oh yeah!! there is some wireless goodness built in
[00:14] <knome> nice.
[00:14] <PingJocky> this is what i have been looking for
[00:14] <knome> i heard that jaunty is supporting netbooks way better than intrepid did.
[00:15] <knome> there would've been the array.org kernel for earlier ubuntu versions
[00:15] <PingJocky> oh yeah
[00:15] <PingJocky> i use to run the array.org kernel
[00:15] <knome> right. i still run it under intrepid on my eepc, but i don't use the eepc much.
[00:16] <PingJocky> its my main computer
[00:16] <knome> d'oh :)
[00:16] <evilbug> where can i go to find a list of drivers for eeepc?
[00:16] <PingJocky> well, other then my work computer
[00:16] <artistxe> anyway . need to get back to work . later ppls
[00:16] <PingJocky> later artistxe
[00:16] <knome> artistxe, was nice talking to you. see you later
[00:16] <artistxe> you will
[00:16] <artistxe> and same. nice chatting
[00:17] <knome> evilbug, what do you exactly need?
[00:17] <evilbug> i can't control system volume with the built-in media keys.
[00:18] <knome> evilbug, which xubuntu version are you using?
[00:18] <evilbug> knome: 9.04 on an 1000he eeepc.
[00:19] <knome> evilbug, there should be support for that, but you can try http://array.org/ubuntu/
[00:19] <knome> evilbug, you can use the intrepid (8.10) kernel even on your jaunty (9.04) machine.
[00:20] <djs> I am using xubuntu 9.04, (still using the beta). I want to update since it was officially released, but before updating I want to make sure I have the right sources in my sources.list. This is what I have in my sources.list file deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty main universe restricted multiverse. Is this correct?
[00:21] <knome> djs, looks correct.
[00:21] <djs> Last time I had some problems because I had the wrong sources, I'm just making sure. Thanks.
[00:22] <kromar> is there a flash plugin for the 64bit version?
[00:22] <knome> kromar, yes.
[00:22] <kromar> where do i find that?
[00:22] <knome> kromar, in synaptic search for flash
[00:22] <kromar> there is only the flash plugin for firefox
[00:23] <kromar> and i dont use firefox
[00:23] <kromar> also i tried that and it dindt work
[00:23] <knome> kromar, then i don't have an idea.
[00:23] <kromar> alsways told me the plugin was missing
[00:23] <knome> kromar, the flash plugin works for me with firefox
[00:23] <djs> knome, Do you know where I could find some official documentation showing what the sources.list should look like?
[00:24] <knome> djs, the sources.list for ubuntu jaunty or in general?
[00:25] <zoredache> !sources.list
[00:25] <PingJocky> if i screwed up my desktop settings, what ~/. folders do i need to remove to set it back to stock?
[00:26] <JPohlmann> PingJocky: How and what did you screw up?
[00:26] <JPohlmann> Maybe there's a way out of that without purging your entire home directory. ;)
[00:26] <djs> knome, I just want to make sure my system isn't going to blow up like last time. ;)
[00:26] <PingJocky> it isnt anything specific
[00:26] <knome> djs, it looks correct. just update :P
[00:26] <PingJocky> i just want to purge my home folders
[00:27] <djs> ubottu, I'll take a look at those links.
[00:27] <PingJocky> haha
[00:27] <djs> knome, ok.
[00:28] <JPohlmann> PingJocky: It really depends what you want to remove. The config files are spread over your entire home directory.
[00:28] <PingJocky> brb
[00:29] <R1cochet> is Gnomenu in xubuntu 9.
[00:29] <R1cochet> is Gnomenu in xubuntu 9.04 repos?
[00:29] <zoredache> PingJocky: if I where to guess, I would think I would start by renaming or removing your .config directory...
[00:29] <satansaunt> is it normal for everything bar windows apps via wine to be quicker in xubuntu than in gnome?
[00:30] <knome> satansaunt, if you have little ram, you will see performance difference, yes.
[00:30] <JPohlmann> zoredache: I wish applications would honor that directory ...
[00:31] <knome> satansaunt, "little ram" is maybe <1GB
[00:31] <satansaunt> merci
[00:31] <satansaunt> i've got 1gb
[00:31] <knome> satansaunt, depends also on which apps you are running simultaneously.
[00:31] <satansaunt> i figured that
[00:31]  * JPohlmann makes her explode with erotic fire! Err ...
[00:32] <R1cochet> anyone know?
[00:32] <knome> JPohlmann, wrong channel?
[00:32] <knome> R1cochet, didn't find it.
[00:32] <R1cochet> thank you
[00:32] <JPohlmann> knome: Just wanted to share the latest spam mail headline with you ;)
[00:32] <R1cochet> is there a link where i can view the new repos?
[00:32] <knome> hehe
[00:32] <knome> R1cochet, http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/
[00:33] <knome> R1cochet, you can search on http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[00:33] <evilbug> so the only two things i don't have support for so far on my eee are sound card and wifi on/off toggle.
[00:33] <satansaunt> is the 9.04 worth the 2 hour download and unpacking?
[00:33] <knome> evilbug, did you try the array.org kernel?
[00:33] <evilbug> satansaunt: just download the alternative via bittorrent and upgrade through a cd.
[00:33] <knome> satansaunt, yes.
[00:34] <evilbug> knome: i haven't yet, no.
[00:34] <knome> evilbug, with that kernel everything should work.
[00:34] <R1cochet> knome: thank you
[00:35] <evilbug> knome: is it that 9.04 doesn't support eee yet?
[00:35] <evilbug> knome: fully i mean.
[00:35] <knome> evilbug, jaunty should support it natively better than the earlier ubuntu kernels.
[00:35] <evilbug> knome: alright.
[00:35] <knome> evilbug, the array.org kernel repository is *not* official ubuntu repo
[00:41] <PingJocky> got it... ~/.config
[00:43] <PingJocky> ah... thats better
[01:10] <evilbug> one more thing. when i start pidgin, the pidgin icont won't show up on the right side of the top panel as it usually should. any clues?
[01:20] <R1cochet> wont show at all?
[01:20] <R1cochet> when i start the icon is grayish untill it connects
[01:20] <evilbug> R1cochet: won't show at all.
[01:20] <evilbug> the skype icon shows up though...
[01:22] <evilbug> R1cochet: also when i click the close button on the buddy list it quits out of pidgin instead of minimizing it to the tray.
[01:22] <R1cochet> that might be an option setting
[01:22] <R1cochet> have u gone through the settings?
[01:24] <R1cochet> tools>preferences
[01:26] <evilbug> R1cochet: figured it out, "show system tray: always". i was used to it being like that by default.
[01:26] <R1cochet> cool
[01:32] <R1cochet> will 9.04 play the audio to hd videos now?
[01:32] <R1cochet> on 8.10 the audio doesnt play on some hd videos i have
[02:30] <meatcar> hi guys. I was here yesterday trying to figure out why my new xfce wouldnt allow me to configure a second monitor. I have gnome running on the same laptop, and i get the external monitor working perfectly as an extension of my first one. Here's some info. http://pastebin.com/m5273cd06  I would really appreciate someone helping me out here, ive been beating my head against a wall for a week now.
[02:30] <R1cochet> grfx driver?
[02:32] <meatcar> i dont see why it would work with gnome but not with xfce tho.
[02:32] <histo> meatcar: what kind of video card do you have
[02:32] <histo> meatcar: intel chipset?
[02:33] <meatcar> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500]
[02:33] <meatcar> are you saying I should reinstall the driver?
[02:51] <MTec007> how do i find out what /dev/ is my /media/NEW VOLUME folder? its a usb thumb drive
[02:55] <ochosi> MTec007, by using "mount"?
[02:55] <MTec007> its mounted, automatically when i plugged it in.
[02:56] <ochosi> MTec007, no, i'm talking about typing "mount" in a terminal and hitting enter
[02:56] <ochosi> MTec007, of if you like, type mount | grep "/media/NEW VOLUME"
[02:58] <MTec007> thank you
[02:58] <ochosi> MTec007, you're welcome
[03:13] <DetroitLiberty> I'm trying to share the printer thats plugged into my xubuntu system with my wife's vista machine, she can see the printer , but when I try tp connect/print it gives an error "ACCES DEINED, UNABLE TO CONNECT" any idea what I'm doing wrong?
[03:18] <cody-somerville> hmmm
[03:20] <cody-somerville> DetroitLiberty, How are you trying to share the printer? And what version of Xubuntu are you using?
[03:21] <anzo> hello room
[03:22] <cody-somerville> Hello
[03:22] <anzo> hello room
[03:22] <cody-somerville> Hi
[03:22] <meatcar> hello roomer
[03:22] <anzo> I am stuck with a problem here
[03:22] <cody-somerville> Whats the problem?
[03:22] <anzo> i have an old dell x200 and the cursor disappears when i adjust the brightness
[03:23] <cody-somerville> Thats certainly a weird problem
[03:23] <meatcar> change cursor theme?
[03:23] <cody-somerville> Does it come back when you move your mouse?
[03:23] <anzo> lol i wish
[03:23] <anzo> i changed cursor theme and size
[03:23] <anzo> it acts as if its slipped behind the screen
[03:24] <meatcar> are you changing the brightness of the screen? hardare ( with the buttons on the pc) or with some utility?
[03:24] <anzo> i can still click things and open menus but unless i switch from graphics view to text and back i have to restart to see cursor
[03:24] <anzo> i am using the fn +the down/up key
[03:25] <anzo> it acts like a video drive (or i suspect but i dont show and cant add a drive in xorg.conf
[03:25] <DetroitLiberty> my version is 8.10, within the printer settings, i right clicked it and under properties set it to shared
[03:25] <anzo> also have tried Jaunty and reverted back to 8.10
[03:26] <DetroitLiberty> cody-sommerville I have installed Samba, but am quite lost on how I"m supposed to configure it
[03:27] <cody-somerville> DetroitLiberty, oh, with Samba.
[03:27] <DetroitLiberty> cody-somerville, is there another option?
[03:27] <anzo> detroit what are you trying to do ? access a printer?
[03:28] <cody-somerville> I was thinking you were sharing with cups but I forgot the other computer is Windows and not Linux
[03:28] <anzo> yah cups should work tho, just map to the ip. had to do it at work
[03:28] <anzo> they use a windows based server to manage all prints...
[03:29] <cody-somerville> DetroitLiberty, Take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba
[03:29] <DetroitLiberty> how do you map the IP?
[03:29] <DetroitLiberty> been there most of the night
[03:29] <anzo> how is the printer setup? I am guessing its a usb printer attached to another pc?
[03:29] <DetroitLiberty> USB printer attached to my LinuxBox
[03:30] <DetroitLiberty> via CUPS
[03:30] <DetroitLiberty> and we're trying to print from the vista machine
[03:30] <cody-somerville> DetroitLiberty, Take a look at that wiki page. It has detailed instructions on how to setup printer sharing using Samba
[03:33] <anzo> so no go for me? or is someone toiling away with pure excitement
[03:42] <anzo> ok guys a new issue has poped up it seems that the text in firefox is acting up as well... could it be a video memory issue?
[03:56] <DetroitLiberty> I haven't used firefox since the release of firefox 3
[03:56] <DetroitLiberty> cody-sommerville I'm trying it via SWAT now, lets hope it goes OK
[03:57] <meatcar> anzo, i would love to help, but i have no experience setting up printers, so i am  not much better off than you.
[03:58] <anzo> lol i am not setting up printer
[03:58] <anzo> i tried to help detroit with his, as i messed around alot with mine but hes was a bit different
[03:58] <anzo> i am dealing with video issues on an intel 830m video card
[03:58] <meatcar> oh snap. heh. yea. i just read the last thing you said...
[03:59] <anzo> its all good, can you help with that ?
[04:00] <meatcar> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/157502
[04:00] <meatcar> try that
[04:01] <R1cochet> can any1 recommend a good torrent client besides deluge or azerus?
[04:01] <anzo> its not a fix it just brings the cursor back, doesnt explain why it goes away
[04:01] <DetroitLiberty> R1chochet Opera has a really good one built into the browser
[04:02] <anzo> right now synaptic shows that i have xserver-xorg-video-intel installed however when i got to xorg.conf it doesnt show a driver
[04:02] <R1cochet> really? ill check it out thank you
[04:02] <R1cochet> any others? deluge is lacking
[04:03] <anzo> bit-torrent is what comes with linux and i found it great
[04:03] <meatcar> R1cochet, transmission works fine too. what do you need from it?
[04:04] <R1cochet> more options, transmission was very simple. id like something like utorrent but native
[04:05] <meatcar> anzo, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5310261&postcount=17 <<<<<<<<<thats the one.
[04:05] <R1cochet> i liked deluge but it seemed to run slow and selecting dl location was messed
[04:05] <meatcar> your best bet would be to google all the possible torrent clients ofr linux. and try each and every one.
[04:06] <meatcar> it'll be fun too. :P
[04:06] <R1cochet> doing that :)
[04:06] <R1cochet> qtorrent looks nice
[04:06] <meatcar> personaly, i avoid using any qt in a gtk environment, or the other way around.
[04:06] <meatcar> waste of resources.
[04:07] <R1cochet> ok thanks for the heads up
[04:07] <anzo> meatcar, ok now here is the noob issue, when i do a sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.config i get an error
[04:07] <meatcar> if your pc is better than mine you can pull it off. pentium 4
[04:08] <meatcar> anzo, if youre using xfce, you use sudo mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:08] <DetroitLiberty> hurray for the Pentium I that's why we run XFCE!
[04:09] <R1cochet> on amd64 4400
[04:09] <meatcar> :P
[04:11] <Anon> anyone know of a small virus that wont do much damage to linux that i can test clam-AV with?
[04:11] <anzo> shit no go the mouse still went ghandi
[04:12] <anzo> there are only like 8 viruses out last time i read for linux....
[04:12] <Anon> ill wiki it or something
[04:12] <anzo> wiki it and you will see the 8 however, if someone took the time to write it
[04:12] <anzo> it is probably going to do some damage
[04:12] <Anon> yeah :/
[04:12] <anzo> do you have a repair disk?
[04:13] <Anon> oh yeah
[04:13] <anzo> try it on a newly formatted partition
[04:13] <Anon> i can allways reformat
[04:13] <Anon> yeah
[04:13] <Anon> ok that might work
[04:13] <anzo> create a new partition and then if it screws you delete partion
[04:13] <Anon> yeah
[04:15] <anzo> Meat do you think when i edit the xorg file i need to restart?
[04:15] <meatcar> heh. i thought you did that already
[04:15] <meatcar> yea.
[04:15] <meatcar> just log out/in
[04:16] <anzo> i mean the system i added the file and saved it
[04:16] <meatcar> well ,actually restart
[04:16] <zoredache_> anzo: test weith eicar
[04:16] <meatcar> just for fun
[04:16] <anzo> whats eicar?
[04:16] <meatcar> zoredache, eicar?
[04:17] <zoredache> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eicar_test_file
[04:17] <anzo> i switched to text view and back
[04:17] <anzo> lol hey anon zoredache said test eicar
[04:18] <Anon> ok
[04:18] <R1cochet> i think i know why i didnt care for deluge b4
[04:18] <zoredache> whoops, sorry..
[04:18] <R1cochet> i have the one from the repos which is 0.5.9.3
[04:19] <R1cochet> the latest is 1.1.7
[04:19] <anzo> hey meat, do you think the text switch will be enough, or should i log?
[04:19] <zoredache> I have a copy of stoned on a 5.25 floppy in a box somewhere
[04:19] <anzo> i used to get stoned :P
[04:20] <R1cochet> i still do
[04:21] <meatcar> ummm. don't mix smoke and sudo. do whatever you want. play around. I'm not sure myself.
[04:22] <anzo> Lol dont mix smoke and sudo would make an awesome shit
[04:22] <anzo> shirt*
[04:23] <meatcar> hmm... i should make that.
[04:23] <meatcar> dont drink and sudo.....
[04:23] <anzo> only use linux nerds would get it
[04:24] <anzo> hey all isnt there a command for xorg restart?
[04:24] <meatcar> yea. ctrl+alt+backspace.
[04:24] <anzo> should i do that in text mode or gui?
[04:25] <meatcar> or something like restart-xserver
[04:25] <meatcar> i dunno
[04:25] <anzo> lol
[04:26] <anzo> well that would helps tons in testing this i think....
[04:29] <anzo> the ctrl+alt+bkspace restarts gnome
[04:29] <meatcar> oooh... just log out then.
[04:29] <meatcar> you wouldve been done by now.
[04:29] <meatcar> lol
[04:30] <anzo> lol but then i have to reaccess this
[04:30] <anzo> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart && exit
[04:30] <anzo> does that look right?
[04:31] <meatcar> i dunno. try.
[04:31] <anzo> lol what a knowledge base
[04:31] <R1cochet> how do i remove a package and all the non-required dependencies?
[04:31] <R1cochet> want to get rid of old deluge
[04:32] <anzo> purge i think
[04:32] <meatcar> sudo apt-get purge [package], and then sudo apt-get autoremove
[04:32] <anzo> WOOT meat drops the info
[04:33] <R1cochet> E: Couldn't find package Deluge
[04:33] <R1cochet> interesting cuz im looking right at it
[04:33] <meatcar> its probably deluge-xxxx.xx.x.x..xxx
[04:33] <meatcar> try using synaptic
[04:34] <meatcar> also, watch your cases.
[04:36] <R1cochet> had to add -torrent to end
[04:40] <meatcar> anzo, any luck?
[04:40] <anzo> i havent done anything but done the text and back view
[04:41] <R1cochet> ok i have a deb package and it says it requires the installation of 9 packages
[04:41] <meatcar> ok. install them.
[04:42] <R1cochet> ok so will this deb have them or do i need to get them myself?
[04:43] <meatcar> try to install it. if it errors out, you need t oget them yourself because they werent in the repositories. I think thats how it works.
[04:43] <anzo> well meat the code i gave you restarts but it said gnome
[04:43] <R1cochet> ok
[04:43] <R1cochet> its downloading them
[04:43] <R1cochet> ty\
[04:45] <meatcar> anzo, does your cursor stay now?
[04:45] <anzo> no
[04:45] <anzo> i found a few xedits tho
[04:45] <anzo> so trying the one you gave me
[04:45] <asiks> I have a 30 gig HD. I think I want to partition the drive so the /home folder is by itself (I believe then I can preserve it for the next upgrade).  How much space should I allocate to what?  Xubuntu 9.04
[04:45] <meatcar> R1cochet, no problem.
[04:46] <asiks> (If i am wrong about how that would work, that'd be good to know)
[04:46] <meatcar> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome
[04:47] <princedugan> how would I go about getting my Intel Corporation 82852/855GM card to output S-Video ? It doesn't show as an option in xrandr -q
[04:48] <anzo> wholly crap meat if you were near me i would buy you a beer (providing your 21+)
[04:48] <meatcar> sorry, no beer for me then. not even in canada. XD
[04:49] <R1cochet> ud be fine in mexico
[04:49] <anzo> lol maybe in canada
[04:49] <anzo> how old u b?
[04:49] <meatcar> asiks, what do you plan for the home partition.
[04:49] <meatcar> anzo, 17.
[04:49] <asiks> it's for my dad. he mostly listens to music and plays chess and sudoku
[04:49] <anzo> lol Illegal Illegal
[04:50] <meatcar> asiks, do you wish to use it to keep music, videos, etc.? or is all that on a separate drive?
[04:50] <asiks> to keep the music and stuff.  There's only one HD
[04:52] <meatcar> 20 for home should be fine. maybe even more. my filesystem takes up 9g. but thats with gnome and xfce.
[04:53] <anzo> hey meatcar man there is a fourm on ubuntufourms.org that was asking the same question i was but it wasnt solved. U should be there hero too
[04:53] <asiks> so if i partition 9 gigs as mount point / and the rest as /home, i should be ok?
[04:53] <asiks> plus the swap
[04:53] <meatcar> yea, you should be fine.
[04:53] <anzo> Asiks, i did 20 gigs on my dual boot and then saved my music on the windows side and opened it with vlc
[04:54] <meatcar> if anything, you can repartition later
[04:55] <anzo> but i will be honest the open source audio files tend to be better just less supported
[04:56] <meatcar> anzo, if you can be their hero that would be awsome. I need to get some sleep. ttyl guys. glad I could help. :D princedugan try to google your card # and your problem. plenty of help. also, try plain simple xrandr. no args.
[05:00] <murlidhar> !info xfce4-mcs-manager
[05:01] <princedugan> yes, google produces much information on the subject. With solutions like "get an Nvidia card", "just edit your xorg",  "just change the driver". I'm not skilled enough to follow most of those instructions. The ones I did follow changed nothing
[05:01] <murlidhar> is there any other pakage that replaces this ?
[05:02] <murlidhar> we had this in ibex and former distros versions but not in jaunty anymore :(
[05:06] <murlidhar> !xfconf
[05:06] <pteague> get an nvidia card seems to be the best suggestion
[05:06] <murlidhar> !info xfconf
[05:07] <murlidhar> i guess it has been renamed to this
[05:11] <murlidhar> la la la laaa la
[05:11] <murlidhar> :)
[05:11] <murlidhar> take cares all
[05:12] <murlidhar> god bless you all
[05:12] <murlidhar> byeeee
[05:12] <murlidhar> :)
[05:17] <genii> Cheerful-seeming fellow
[05:24] <asiks> Does anyone else have trouble with VLC not saving preferences?
[05:28] <anzo> i dont do much with vlc
[05:29] <asiks> what program do you use for playing music?
[05:29] <asiks> i kind of can't stand itunes like things
[05:29] <anzo> Depends on the system
[05:29] <anzo> usually just default
[05:29] <anzo> what is the music extension?
[05:29] <anzo> .mp3?
[05:29] <asiks> i have mostly mp3, a handful of mp3, and some ogg
[05:29] <anzo> ogg smokes mp3
[05:30] <anzo> you should download audacity and have it convert your mp3s to ogg
[05:30] <asiks> i could. can audacity do that in bulk?
[05:30] <anzo> if you want to use mp3 then vlc is one of the only options
[05:31] <anzo> you know what i dont knwo let me see
[05:31] <anzo> i have 2 pcs up
[05:33] <anzo> wow you can take it and click open select your tracks and it will just keep launching audacitys to meet the track requirements
[05:33] <anzo> i am up to 12
[05:33] <anzo> LOL
[05:33] <asiks> haha
[05:33] <anzo> doesnt seem like it would be fun
[05:34] <anzo> but a track takes about 30 secs to export
[05:36] <anzo> check this out
[05:36] <anzo> http://blog.ifitcangowrong.com/ubuntu/convert-mp3-in-ogg-vorbis-format-using-ubuntu-linux
[05:38] <R1cochet> Laughing My Ass Off i thought that was all 1 person talking
[05:41] <asiks> interesting
[05:41] <asiks> ogg is generally a bit smaller in file size than mp3, yeah?
[05:41] <anzo> does any one know how to reduce the demand xubuntu and afce puts on your video memory, as i dont have much
[05:41] <anzo> yah, ogg is better quaility (if ripping from cd) and smaller in size
[05:44] <ZeZu> while this is true, what would be the point of converting mp3 to ogg ?
[05:45] <asiks> other than ideological?
[05:46] <asiks> probably better quality for the space it uses
[05:47]  * genii decides on FLAC instead
[05:48]  * asiks points at the 30 gig HD behind him
[05:48] <asiks> I'd like more than one album, please! haha
[05:48] <genii> Hehe
[05:49] <ipressthebuttons> doo doo doo.
[05:50] <anzo> does anyone know how to add a certain amount of video memory to xorg.config?
[05:52] <pteague> google xorg.conf video ram ?
[05:53] <pteague> i had to at 1 point, but i don't remember what i needed to add & it's not in my xorg.conf anymore
[05:54] <anzo> i have but i just get the generic answer of you can do it but why...
[05:55] <ipressthebuttons> ho-hum
[06:04] <ipressthebuttons> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7181574
[06:06] <asiks> Hm.  newbie question about how packages and applications work with regard to multiple.  I have one account that's got administrative rights and can sudo stuff.  I was going to make another one that's just a regular user for my dad, because he is likely to accidentally break something if he can.  If I add something with add/remove programs with the admin account, is that going to be there for the user-only account?
[06:06] <genii> asiks: It will be available to all
[06:07] <ipressthebuttons> my question's in the link I posted =D
[06:07] <asiks> genii: Cool. Thanks.  Is there a way to make a program only available to some users?  I don't know why I would need that, but hypothetically.
[06:10] <genii> asiks: I've never needed to do it, so don't know offhand
[06:10] <zoredache> asiks: not easily...  but it would possible using filesystem permissions in weird unsupported ways
[06:11] <asiks> Ok.  I probably won't need to do that.  Thanks.
[06:13] <asiks> huh.  why is the applications menu stuck as if i clicked on it?
[06:13] <asiks> nevermind.  thing was just bein' weird.
[06:18] <asiks> hm. xubuntu 9.04 seems slower than 8.  Did the system requirements go up, or maybe partioning was a bad idea?
[06:18] <asiks> that is making a separate partition for /home and /
[06:19] <zoredache> having seperate partitions probably shouldn't make any difference...
[06:19] <asiks> i wouldn't think so. but it's something i changed, so i thought maybe
[06:25] <asiks> wonder why it seems more sluggish
[06:28] <ZeZu> likely configuration
 probably better quality for the space it uses
[06:29] <ZeZu> ^^ well its not going to regain its quality after its already been introduced to the artifacts from mp3
[06:29] <asiks> are there things turned on by default in 9 that I can turn off to improve performance?
[06:29] <ZeZu> decoding and recoding will only make it worse unless your using a lossless format, and then its going to be the same quality as the mp3 just larger
[06:29] <Anon> brb
[06:30] <ZeZu> asiks,  there are various guides to speeding things up in ubuntu,  try google for them
[06:30] <asiks> ok
[06:30] <ZeZu> did you change the size of your swap mem ?
[06:32] <asiks> swap is ~700mb, physical memory is 256
[06:36] <ZeZu> hmm..
[06:38] <ZeZu> memory is definitely an issue then,  reduce memory footprint, disable unneeded services / daemons,  anything else that might affect it .. swapping out from disk is definitely expensive
[06:39] <asiks> thing says it's not using 100% memory. cpu usage is pretty high
[06:39] <asiks> ~65% physical memory in use, ~80-90% cpu.  downloading xubuntu-restricted package, though
[06:43] <ZeZu> its probably decompressing a file
[06:43] <ZeZu> anyhow after reading through a few guides i found a few tricks
[06:43] <ZeZu> i'm out
[06:44] <asiks> gnight
[07:34] <noaXess> what can i use to remotly access my xfce desktop? display 0?
[07:39] <zoredache> noaXess: x11vnc
[07:40] <noaXess> zoredache: ok.. try it.. thanks
[07:41] <noaXess> zoredache: some tipps for starting it, which default options?
[07:46] <_Pete_> !vnc
[07:46] <_Pete_> noaXess: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC?action=show&redirect=VNCOverSSH#x11vnc
[07:48] <noaXess> _Pete_: thanks
[09:49] <SiDi> !info notify-os
[09:49] <SiDi> !info notify-osd
[11:44] <_Pete_> I have problem when running conky: it draws and desktop icons dissappears
[11:44] <_Pete_> when you move mouse over icons they got redrawn
[11:46] <SiDi> _Pete_:
[11:46] <SiDi> please report a bug
[11:46] <lukinfore> _Pete_, try another window type
[11:47] <lukinfore> override works for me
[11:47] <_Pete_> you mean conky option?
[11:47] <lukinfore> yes
[11:47] <_Pete_> ok thanks
[11:48] <SiDi> lukinfore: i dont use conky, but if the default setting didnt work for you, and you had to tweak something in order to get it to work properly, please report a bug so we can see if we can change the default settings of the app for xubuntu
[11:49] <SiDi> I think it's doable (hopefully a dev can confirm :p)
[11:49] <_Pete_> SiDi: it has no default settings
[11:49] <lukinfore> well it seems to be a known bug
[11:49] <_Pete_> you need to create .conkyrc yourself anyway
[11:49] <SiDi> oh
[11:49] <SiDi> Ah whatever then :P
[11:50] <_Pete_> I would rather use gkrellm
[11:50] <_Pete_> but after some update it's screwed :(
[11:51] <lukinfore> http://pastebin.com/f50bf307d
[11:51] <lukinfore> like this
[11:52] <_Pete_> lukinfore: that works, thankls
[11:52] <lukinfore> np
[11:52] <_Pete_> you have cool lookin conky?
[11:53] <lukinfore> enough cool for me
[11:59] <mattholly> hello i have a problem i was wondering if any one could help me
[11:59] <SiDi> lukinfore, _Pete_ can you please report a bug against conky asking for a default sample config file ?
[12:00] <SiDi> This way it should be managed in time for karmic
[12:00] <SiDi> mattholly: feel free to ask
[12:00] <mattholly> when i open a media file off of an external HD it opens the correct program and then shuts after seconds
[12:01] <mattholly> i have updated to 9 and apply all updates
[12:01] <_Pete_> SiDi: how did you report bug again?
[12:02] <mattholly> it worked prior to me doing an update and i installed a codec that it found for m4a files
[12:02] <SiDi> go to bugs.launchpad.net and search for conky
[12:03] <SiDi> In the description, put something like "Feature request : please provide sample config files for ubuntu/xubuntu"
[12:07] <SiDi> is any of you under 8.10 ?
[12:07] <SiDi> or both jaunty ?
[12:07] <lukinfore> SiDi, there is default config, that works
[12:07] <lukinfore> it just looks veeery ugly
[12:07] <SiDi> dont report anything then _Pete_ ^^
[12:07] <lukinfore> jaunty here
[12:07] <SiDi> i'll just update the wikis i can find
[12:08] <SiDi> if you guys know of a wiki/howto for conky that doesnt specify this setting should be set for jaunty, please update it
[12:09] <_Pete_> SiDi: actually I was wrong
[12:09] <_Pete_> there's config included
[12:10] <_Pete_> and it has options lukinfore suggested
[12:11] <lukinfore> default? /etc/conky/conky.conf?
[12:12] <_Pete_> yes
[12:13] <_Pete_> oops
[12:13] <lukinfore> as for me there isn't override window type
[12:13] <_Pete_> it have
[12:13] <_Pete_> own_window yes
[12:13] <_Pete_> own_window_class Conky
[12:13] <_Pete_> own_window_type normal
[12:14] <lukinfore> it just more workaround, dirty, than a solution
[12:15] <SiDi> so window_type should be override by default for good behaviour under xubuntu ?
[12:16] <_Pete_> default config opens own window
[12:16] <_Pete_> I'm not sure if this is a bug or not
[12:17] <lukinfore> SiDi, s/good behavior/nice look/ + 'own_window_transparent yes'
[12:18] <SiDi> okey
[12:18] <SiDi> if its about nice look its not worth a bug report ^^
[12:18] <_Pete_> more like thing to mention in docs
[12:18] <_Pete_> but who reads those anyway :)
[12:19] <lukinfore> maybe better to include config with such options as example
[13:03] <Dillizar> 9.04 doesnt want to boot on 128 ram will 8.10 do??
[13:03] <Aison> hello, is xubuntu i386 install CD broken? I allways get SQASHFS errors
[13:04] <knome> Dillizar, it is possible but i'd suggest trying even older version
[13:05] <Dillizar> knome,  but they said it was a problem with the 9.04
[13:05] <Dillizar> a lot of ppls had the same problem
[13:05] <Dillizar> even with 196 ram
[13:05] <knome> Dillizar, you might experience the same problem with 8.10 also
[13:06] <Dillizar> i even have the alternative version
[13:06] <knome> Dillizar, 128 RAM is *very little* taking into account that we are in 2009
[13:06] <Dillizar> and that my laptop is 10 years old
[13:06] <Dillizar> O_O
[13:06] <Dillizar> :)
[13:06] <knome> yes - 10 years old operating systems work with it fine
[13:06] <knome> but these xubuntu systems are not 10 years old
[13:06] <Dillizar> lol
[13:07] <Dillizar> dream linux works
[13:07] <Dillizar> :P
[13:07] <Dillizar> and its xfce
[13:07] <knome> xubuntu has additional stuff which makes it easier to use
[13:07] <Dillizar> yeah
[13:07] <Dillizar> but its good
[13:08] <knome> right.
[13:08] <Dillizar>  i like it
[13:08] <Dillizar> i have it on my desktop and its not so bad
[13:08] <knome> but there has to be some minimum requirements
[13:08] <Dillizar> except when i star the effects i cant watch movies dunno why
[13:08] <knome> if you have little amount of ram in your desktop also, that might be the reason
[13:08] <knome> or then you don't have the codecs installed
[13:09] <Dillizar> knome, but if i can play the movie means i have the codecs
[13:09] <knome> Dillizar, and enough ram to play them.
[13:10] <Dillizar> 2gb
[13:10] <knome> then the videos should work with no problem.
[13:11] <Dillizar> they work its ok but when i enable the compositor they stop to work and i see only a black window
[13:11] <SiDi> Aison: its been tested hundreds of times by charlie-tca. What error do you get and when please ?
[13:11] <knome> Dillizar, that sounds like a compositor problem
[13:12] <Aison> SiDi, I get tons of SQUASHFS error: Unable to read page, block ***, size ***
[13:12] <Dillizar> knome, but i didnt installed the nvidia drivers yet and i am scared to install them cuz they can f*** up my display
[13:12] <SiDi> Dillizar: did you activate your GPU drivers ?
[13:12] <SiDi> Aison: sounds like your CD's badly burnt
[13:12] <SiDi> did you check it was well burnt ?
[13:12] <Dillizar> Aison,  and speed
[13:12] <SiDi> Dillizar: all my machines run nvidia drivers and it works perfectly.
[13:13] <SiDi> (much better than under another os i wont name :p)
[13:13] <Dillizar> lol
[13:13] <Aison> SiDi, Dillizar I burned it 3 times now, I downloaded the image two times, I tested the md5 code, etc....
[13:13] <Dillizar> but i have 173 and they are not so good
[13:13] <Aison> everything looks fine
[13:13] <Aison> I even changed my CD Drive
[13:14] <Dillizar> Aison,  and your cpu and ram are??
[13:14] <SiDi> Aison: hm, what hardware do you have on the PC you're trying to install in ?
[13:14] <Dillizar> try the alternative cd
[13:14] <Aison> Dillizar, SiDi, it's some older Celeron with 1gb ram
[13:14] <SiDi> And does the CD rom work fine under a virtual machine ?
[13:16] <SiDi> Aison: i suggest you report a bug, in which you write down the exact error you're having, and specifying all your hardware. It's likely an hardware incompatibility.
[13:17] <Aison> SiDi, I have to test that
[13:17] <Aison> maybe I can test it on my amd64 also
[13:17] <SiDi> It'd be nice
[13:17] <SiDi> It's probably something wrong between the motherboard and jaunty livecd's kernel if the cd works on another pc
[13:19] <Dillizar> Aison, its from the official web site right
[13:19] <hideo> Where should I check to find the options for mounting CIFS?
[13:21] <Aison> yes
[13:22] <Dillizar> Aison, try the alternative cd
[13:22] <Aison> ok
[13:23] <Dillizar> Aison,  but it takes a long time to install it dunno why the older versions were faster to install but slower on boot:P
[14:57] <demon_> !info engage
[14:57] <demon_> !engage
[14:59] <happy-dude> hiya
[15:01] <moblin> does anyone else feel that xubuntu has gotten a bit bloated in recent versions?
[15:10] <demon_> where can i find /trash
[15:14] <gabkdlly> demon_:  ~/.local/share/Trash/ I believe
[15:14] <demon_> its not there
[15:14] <gabkdlly> demon_: you  might want to use thunar though to clear it
[15:14] <gabkdlly> demon_: oh, then I don't know
[15:15] <demon_> in share i have applications
[15:20] <gabkdlly> demon_: you could try running: cd; find -name '*rash*'
[15:20] <gabkdlly> or: cd; find -name 'Trash'
[15:21] <gabkdlly> demon_: perhaps the XFCE gods have changed the setup recently ;)
[15:23] <demon_> lol
[15:23] <J_Litewski> i got a job! :)
[15:23] <demon_> kewl
[15:23] <J_Litewski> i'm a dish washer for 7.50
[15:23] <J_Litewski> and hour
[15:23] <J_Litewski> *an
[15:23] <J_Litewski> gha, it's too early
[15:26] <durt> hey folks, I knocked my mouse out of it's socket, proceeded to shut down with keyboard short cuts, ALT-F4 etc. and killed off whatever takes care of window decorations! Upon reboot I have no close, minimize, maximize buttons. What do I need to re-start?
[15:26] <J_Litewski> durt, you running xubuntu?
[15:26] <durt> of course!
[15:26] <J_Litewski> alt+f2, xfwm4
[15:26] <durt> allright I'll give it a try
[15:26] <durt> J_Litewski, thnks that did the trick
[15:26] <J_Litewski> np, it did it to me too
[15:27] <durt> oh was it an update issue?
[15:27] <J_Litewski> idk, i shut down one day and the window manager refused to work
[15:43] <J_Litewski> SiDi, is the xfce4-mixer installed by defualt?
[15:45] <SiDi> Yeh
[15:45] <J_Litewski> ok
[15:54] <natjo> Is there a way to stop xubuntu from reseting my screen resolution back to 1024x768 when I turn my computer on after I've already set it at 1152x864?
[15:55] <SiDi> natjo: What graphics card ?
[15:55] <SiDi> Most likely you didn't activate your drivers for the graphics card.
[15:56] <Carlis> Hi
[15:56] <natjo> it is just an integrated card nothing special
[15:56] <Carlis> I want to install Xubuntu in PC.
[15:56] <Carlis> I have created bootable Live USB drives.
[15:57] <Carlis> I restart the PC with the flash memory inserted and
[15:57] <Carlis> I have three options to choose: 1.Default. 2.Help. 3. oem=OEM.
[15:57] <Carlis> I choose Default option and then I choose Install incon in the desktop.
[15:57] <Carlis> and I receive an error message.
[15:58] <Carlis> The error message is: Sorry the program "ubiquity" closed unexpectedly.
[15:58] <Carlis> How do i fix this issue ?
[15:58] <BSE> natjo: it is probably quite important :D
[15:58] <Carlis> Thanks for helping me.
[15:58] <cody-somerville> Carlis, Please see #ubuntu-installer
[15:58] <BSE> !hi | charlie-tca
[15:59] <BSE> :P
[15:59] <BSE> \o/
[15:59] <charlie-tca> Good Morning
[15:59] <BSE> :o
[16:00] <Carlis> ok
[16:00] <SiDi> hiya charlie-tca
[16:00] <charlie-tca> Good Morning, SiDi
[16:01] <SiDi> What's up charlie ?
[16:03] <Carlis> How do i go to # ubuntu-installer ?
[16:03] <Carlis> I am new here
[16:03] <Carlis> I already understood
[16:03] <Carlis> thanks
[16:04] <charlie-tca> Carlis: which client are you using? Is it XChat, pidgin, ??
[16:04] <charlie-tca> How did you get to #xubuntu?
[16:06] <charlie-tca> SiDi: Not so much happening, I hope
[16:08] <SiDi> Carlis: /join #ubuntu-installer
[16:08] <SiDi> without any space between # and u
[16:08] <charlie-tca> Looks like he did already
[16:10] <SiDi> There's a guy asking for help to install windows on #ubuntu, he got this problem : http://www.roleplay.pl/HPIM5133.JPG
[16:10] <Carlis> cody-somerville there is not anybody in #ubuntu-installer
[16:10] <cody-somerville> Carlis, Be patient
[16:11] <Carlis> ok
[16:11] <charlie-tca> If he is installing windows, he should install it, then install Ubuntu. The disk is not formatted NTFS, maybe?
[16:12] <Carlis> I got to xubuntu with this link http://www.mibbit.com/chat/?server=irc.freenode.net&channel=%23xubuntu
[16:13] <Carlis> ok
[16:13] <Carlis> who can help me
[16:13] <charlie-tca> never mind, you got to #ubuntu-installer already
[16:14] <charlie-tca> All the people on IRC are volunteers, so you just need to be patient. Many are working their regular jobs and will help when they can.
[16:14] <Carlis> I am going to #ubuntu-installer again
[16:14] <Carlis> ok
[16:15] <SiDi> charlie-tca: dunno, i think the guy is just confused about the notion of Ubuntu support. He should try #windows
[16:16] <charlie-tca> That might be too.
[16:16] <SiDi> He probably bought a pc shipped with ubuntu and dont wanna bother to try it :)
[16:17] <charlie-tca> Many times, they have windows on it, install Ubuntu, then have to reinstall windows because it has been replaced
[16:24] <SiDi> any bash guru around ? :D
[16:24] <Carlis> How long do i have to wait to get help in #ubuntu-installer ??
[16:25] <SiDi> Carlis: as written in their topic : http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installer/FAQ | Development of d-i and ubiquity in Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installer/Development | If nobody answers, try ubuntu-installer@lists.ubuntu.com
[16:26] <Carlis> ok
[16:26] <Carlis> Thank you SiDi
[16:35] <natjo> is it cool if i re-ask my question?
[16:36] <charlie-tca> yes
[16:36] <natjo> Is there a way to stop xubuntu from reseting my screen resolution back to 1024x768 when I turn my computer on after I've already set it at 1152x864?
[16:36] <charlie-tca> Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add it there, the way it used to be done.
[16:37] <SiDi> natjo: Applications -> System -> Drivers of peripherals
[16:37] <charlie-tca> xorg.conf is used if you manually add to it
[16:37] <SiDi> Please check that your drivers are "activated", if there are any listed
[16:37] <natjo> alright give me a minute
[16:40] <natjo> okay what do i add to xorg.conf
[16:41] <charlie-tca> You will need to google for an example, add modes
[16:42] <natjo> SiDi, and also hardware drivers show nothing
[16:44] <SiDi> natjo: don't know then. I don't know anything about intel cards :/
[16:45] <charlie-tca> natjo: here is a sample xorg.conf; do NOT use it just by copy and paste. It will break things.
[16:45] <charlie-tca> http://paste.ubuntu.com/161524/
[16:45] <natjo> well at least i'm put on the right path thanks
[16:46] <charlie-tca> That's what I was hoping. I don't know all the answers, but maybe can give a little bit of help.
[17:08] <ivar> hi
[17:08] <charlie-tca> !hi | ivar
[17:09] <ivar> i have a minor problem with mobility x1600 intallation. care to help? :P
[17:09] <charlie-tca> I don't know if I can, since I don't know the problem
[17:09] <ivar> :) just installing the drivers..
[17:09] <charlie-tca> They normally install as part of the installation.
[17:09] <ivar> don't really know terminal that well yet
[17:09] <charlie-tca> !question
[17:30] <Ratty> Hey, does anyone know how to get the default Applications menu back up after the 9.04 upgrade? There used to be a setting under Settings Manager -> Desktop -> Behavior -> ....
[17:33] <ochosi> Ratty, hmm, after a clean install it's there (haven't tried the upgrade yet)
[17:33] <charlie-tca> Ratty: you have no menu?
[17:34] <Ratty> ochosi: Oh really... Only have the following after going to Desktop -> Menu ... And two options under "Desktop Menu"
[17:35] <charlie-tca> Ratty: The options have been changed with the upgrade to Xfce 4.6
[17:35] <Ratty> charlie-tca: I have a menu, but I want the old menu back ... Where you click Applications and sha bang there is the menu...
[17:35] <ochosi> Ratty, i'm not sure i fully understand that yet. are you talking about the system menu or the desktop settings dialogue?
[17:35] <charlie-tca> Ratty: That is what you should have...
[17:36] <ochosi> Ratty, ah, are you talking about right-click behaviour on the desktop?
[17:36] <Ratty> ochosi: Yeah
[17:36] <ochosi> Ratty, i see. yeah, that only works if you disable icons on the desktop
[17:36] <Ratty> ochosi: I want right click to just show me my Applications
[17:36] <ochosi> Ratty, already had a long discussion today on #xfce with a guy with just the same complaint
[17:37] <Ratty> ochosi: Oh thanks, much better
[17:37] <ochosi> Ratty, but the combination is impossible (at the moment) unfortunately
[17:37] <Ratty> I saw that answer somewhere else, but must of applied it wrong
[17:37] <charlie-tca> right-click on the desktop, left-click Desktop properties, left-click menus,
[17:38] <Ratty> ochosi: Thanks, icons on the desktop aren;t need anyway
[17:38] <charlie-tca> sorry, Desktop Settings, left-click menus, Click on SHow application menu on desktop right click
[17:38] <ochosi> Ratty, yeah, some people really want both...
[17:38] <Ratty> ochosi: Yeah I expected the least, but for me thankfully not. lol
[17:38] <charlie-tca> Applications will then be the bottom entry
[17:39] <Ratty> charlie-tca: Yeah I got it working, thanks.
[17:39] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[19:14] <Gast_337_> Hey guck mal auf dieser Seite kann man die schülerVZ profile von anderen Leuten ändern, deren nachrichten lesen und fake nachrichten verschicken und damit leute verarschen. Der Link: http://schuelervzspy.com/?d=cc2ae9a68375ed1a0b49161aedef4c24
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[19:15] <charlie-tca> !de
[19:21] <shadeslayer> hi can i run a composting manager in xfce?
[19:22] <charlie-tca> Applications -> Settings -> Window Manager Tweaks, last tab
[19:22] <shadeslayer> i tried compiz from a terminal and i lost my alt+F2 functionality
[19:24] <shadeslayer> thansl
[19:24] <shadeslayer> *thanks
[19:48] <Slonkie> hmm my "others" menu dissapeard in "Applications" is there anyway to get it back, besides logging out and logging in again?
[19:49] <knome> Slonkie, did it disappear after an update?
[19:50] <Slonkie> yes i think so. (not sure tho, but there was an update earlier)
[19:50] <knome> then it's because the update.
[19:50] <knome> i don't have the other menu either.
[20:00] <Slonkie> so.. no way to turn it on again?
[20:02] <knome> suppose there is, but not at least an easy way
[20:03] <charlie-tca> What was in it that you need? Most items went to other places in the menu
[20:05] <Slonkie> 1. their not anywhere else in my menus. 2. it's just annoying to loose the menu
[20:05] <charlie-tca> Last time I had "Other", it was all the screensavers
[20:06] <charlie-tca> They moved to Applications -> Settings -> Screensaver
[20:06] <charlie-tca> which is much better, because you can actually set them, now
[20:06] <xiaolindraconis> has anyone had the problem with desktop icon text disappearing after enabling compositor
[20:06] <Slonkie> Well. it's not sceensavers i've got in there. it's mostly wine applications
[20:07] <BSE> I have other - wine apps
[20:07] <charlie-tca> Ah, Slonkie . Didn't they move to System?
[20:07] <Slonkie> Nope.
[20:07] <BSE> but it never disappeared, still intact
[20:07] <charlie-tca> BSE: 9.04?
[20:08] <charlie-tca> Slonkie: Can you file a bug on that? They should not have disappeared completely.
[20:08] <BSE> yeah, 8.10->9.04
[20:08] <Datahell> hi, do i get that right: xubuntu is like ubuntu just with xfce? is there any other difference? can i choose at installation what programs to install? and what's with administration tools?
[20:09] <Slonkie> charlie-tca, i have no idea how to file a bug :/
[20:09] <charlie-tca> The other differences are withing Xfce vs Gnome
[20:09] <BSE> oh... when I tried to install StatSoft Statistica, it cleared whole "other" but it came back after reboot
[20:09] <charlie-tca> Slonkie: Pretty much a walk through after logging in to launchpad. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[20:10] <charlie-tca> Datahell: You can choose minimal install, and then decide what to install. Admin tools such as ?
[20:10] <Datahell> is xen also integrated in xubuntu by default?
[20:10] <charlie-tca> Xen is not
[20:10] <xiaolindraconis> can someone tell me how to make desktop icon text reappear?
[20:11] <xiaolindraconis> i enabled compiz now my icons text is transparent
[20:11] <charlie-tca> xiaolindraconis: only the text when away? Sometimes just moving the cursor back and forth over it brings it back. Other times, you click that folder on the bottom panel
[20:11] <charlie-tca> to redraw the desktop. (Over in the far left corner
[20:12] <xiaolindraconis> moving cursor doesnt bring it back
[20:12] <xiaolindraconis> i tried F5 to redraw desktop
[20:13] <xiaolindraconis> if i click an icon i see the text for less than a second then its gone again
[20:14] <charlie-tca> There is a setting to make it opaque again. I don't use compiz, myself.
[20:14] <charlie-tca> !compiz
[20:17] <M-a-r-k> What's the point of an MPD client you can't add tracks to?
[20:18] <M-a-r-k> xfmpc, in case you were wondering
[20:20] <M-a-r-k> Why isn't there a sodding right click menu?
[20:20] <M-a-r-k> Or even any useful menu at all?
[20:20] <M-a-r-k> What kind of idiot releases unfinished software?
[20:20] <charlie-tca> none, M-a-r-k
[20:21] <M-a-r-k> Well, someone did because this is b-r-o-k-e-n
[20:21] <charlie-tca> With the upgrade to 4.6.0, things changed
[20:21] <charlie-tca> it is not broken just because you can't find the menu you want
[20:22] <M-a-r-k> Then where is it?
[20:22] <M-a-r-k> Is it in a different application?
[20:22] <charlie-tca> Desktop Settings, left-click menus, Click on SHow application menu on desktop right click
[20:22] <M-a-r-k> NOOOOOOOO
[20:22] <M-a-r-k> I want the menu for xfmpc
[20:23] <charlie-tca> Where did you get it?
[20:23] <M-a-r-k> The repository
[20:23] <M-a-r-k> It's an MPD client for xfce
[20:24] <charlie-tca> Perhaps it doesn't have one? I don't know for sure, since I don't use it.
[20:24] <M-a-r-k> That's what I've been saying
[20:24] <M-a-r-k> So it's obviously broken
[20:24] <charlie-tca> Try asking in #xfce, instead of in #xubuntu.
[20:25] <M-a-r-k> K
[20:25] <M-a-r-k> Where's that?
[20:25] <M-a-r-k> Channel
[20:26] <charlie-tca> #xfce on irc.freenode.net
[20:26] <M-a-r-k> Ta
[20:28] <DavidDuckslammer> hello - is this a place to ask support questions?
[20:29] <gabkdlly> DavidDuckslammer: yes
[20:29] <charlie-tca> !question
[20:29] <reallove> it's a place tu support asked questions
[20:30] <DavidDuckslammer> i am new here :) i have installed xubuntu on a flashdrive per http://www.pendrivelinux.com/usb-xubuntu-904-persistent-install-windows/#more-1564 - it comes up and runs but when I quit (by halt or reboot) it doesn't save changed or created files
[20:32] <charlie-tca> Maybe you have to eject/unmount the drive? I don't know for sure, but it is possible that eject instead of shutdown will work.
[20:33] <DavidDuckslammer> i've read the appropriate rc6.d file that should handle it - i'll admit i didn't try to run it in debug mode - but halt and reboot both perform an init 6 so it should work
[20:35] <xiaolindraconis> ok i didnt find the answer in compiz settings but i did find a work around by playing with desktop settings... i just enabled the  RGB setting for LCD screens.. even tho i have a CRT.. but at least i can see the text now
[20:36] <charlie-tca> xiaolindraconis: great. Thanks for letting us know, too.
[20:36] <xiaolindraconis> yw
[20:52] <pteague> is there a weather app for the panel?
[20:53] <xiaolindraconis> or at least a way to use the gnome apps in panel?
[20:53] <charlie-tca> pteague: yes, it is called Weather Update.
[20:53] <charlie-tca> xiaolindraconis: yes, there is a converter to use gnome apps in the Xfce panel, also
[20:55] <DavidDuckslammer> seond problem: can't get wifi to work - i was following directions in http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch13_:_Linux_Wireless_Networking which calls for modifying /etc/network/interfaces and creating /etc/wpa_supplicant - then I reboot (and those files went up in smoke).  I put the files back and merely changed run levels, and iwconfig still showed my wifi unconfigured.  then I entered the values by hand, except iwc
[20:55] <pteague> cool, even has 5 day forecast...  thanks charlie-tca :)
[20:55] <charlie-tca> yw, pteague
[21:06] <DavidDuckslammer> does anyone know how to configure a wifi manually?
[21:06] <DavidDuckslammer> i'm happy with a RTFM response so long as you point me to the FM
[21:07] <charlie-tca> Is your wireless adapter detected?
[21:07] <DavidDuckslammer> yes
[21:07] <charlie-tca> click on the network-manager-applet in the top panel, it should show wireless connections available.
[21:08] <charlie-tca> Side effect - You won't be able to connect wireless if wired is connected
[21:08] <DavidDuckslammer> i have no wired - and i'm running a stripped down thumbdrive install, i don't recall seeing network-manage applet
[21:09] <charlie-tca> sudo apt-get install network-manager-applet
[21:09] <DavidDuckslammer> catch-22 my friend
[21:09] <DavidDuckslammer> i don't have a wire
[21:10] <DavidDuckslammer> so, how do i configure from the command line?
[21:10] <charlie-tca> It is easier to do without the wired connection.
[21:11] <charlie-tca> Ouch! I can't do it from command line. NEXT helper, please...
[21:11] <DavidDuckslammer> lol
[21:12] <charlie-tca> I haven't done a command wireless connection in three years. and then it was a real pain.
[21:15] <DavidDuckslammer> iwconfig manages some of the values, but there is more to it
[21:15] <pteague> i made some changes to my wireless after gnome set it up... on hardy...  i installed intrepid & it jacked up the ndiswrapper (seems to have uninstalled it) and removed all of my config lines except the initial stating it does exist... so it will list that i'm connected via wireless (avahi), but can't do jack with it
[21:15] <pteague> & unfortunately because it stripped my modifications i can't help with the manual config either :(
[21:16] <DavidDuckslammer> this is where the old sysadmin in me wants to lecture about over reliance on the gui to the exclusion of understanding what's under the hood :-))))
[21:17] <charlie-tca> Yeah, but back when I did install from the command line, it included downloading and installing ndiswrapper, modprobe the card, etc
[21:17] <pteague> the manual settings i made in /etc/network/interfaces i got from googling
[21:17] <charlie-tca> man interface didn't work?
[21:18] <charlie-tca> or man iwconfig
[21:36] <DavidDuckslammer> looks like the answer is in iwconfig and wpa_supplicant
[21:37] <sayyestolife> good afternoon
[21:37] <charlie-tca> !hi | sayyestolife
[21:37] <sayyestolife> I'm having a bit trouble installing xubuntu. I tried installing with unetbootin
[21:37] <sayyestolife> and everything is fine until the part where you need to reboot
[21:38] <DavidDuckslammer> ok next question: how do i tell the system to re-read the /etc/network/interfaces file?
[21:38] <sayyestolife> When I reboot I don't get to choose any unetbootin option and the usual system boots. I believe the problem is that there is already an OS on the computer
[21:38] <DavidDuckslammer> is there a script to run, or can i do it by changing run levels?
[21:38] <charlie-tca> DavidDuckslammer: /etc/init.d/networking restart
[21:38] <DavidDuckslammer> aha! thank you!
[21:38] <sayyestolife> the OS is actually an old version of fedora
[21:39] <sayyestolife> Is there a way to 'fix' this so I can boot the unetbootin?
[21:39] <charlie-tca> sayyestolife: install GRUB
[21:40] <sayyestolife> charlie-tca that is already installed in with the old fedora I believe
[21:40] <DavidDuckslammer> sayyestolife: are you trying to dual boot, or just replace the one with the other?
[21:40] <charlie-tca> It sounds like it got skipped,
[21:40] <charlie-tca> If it is in the old OS, it is not seeing the new installation. You either have to reinstall it or update it
[21:40] <sayyestolife> DavidDuckslammer not sure really, I'd like to replace the fedora with xubuntu
[21:40] <sayyestolife> charlie-tca update what?
[21:40] <charlie-tca> GRUB
[21:41] <sayyestolife> okay
[21:41] <charlie-tca> Grub installed with an old OS does not see a new install
[21:42] <sayyestolife> okay
[21:44] <psychic> can some one  tell me how to check the burn speed capability of my cd drive?
[21:52] <DavidDuckslammer> charlie-tca: if you are interested, man 8 wpa-supplicant and man 5 wpa-supplicant apparently tell all - it is potentially complex but that depends expecially on the adapter and the method of encryption - wps-psk does not appear to be terribly complicated - gonna go try it now
[21:53] <charlie-tca> Good luck, and thanks for the iformation
[22:14] <roman> hello everybody. can somebody tell why sudo command doesn't work for me? i try to change the GRUB menu.lst but it says "write error"
[22:14] <zoredache> what is the exact command?
[22:15] <roman> i tried "sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst"
[22:15] <roman> i think gedit isn't correct
[22:21] <charlie-tca> gksu mousepad /boot/grub/menu.lst
[22:21] <zoredache> try sudo mousepad filename
[22:31] <octoroks> Hello, when i go to "Hardware drivers" and click activate on the driver of choice and hangs at 0%.
[22:33] <octoroks> Anyone know what the problem is?
[22:35] <n2diy> when I load a music cd Totem movie player opens?
[22:41] <evilbug> i got my grandpa rollin' on an eee with xubuntu 9.04 :D
[22:47] <charlie-tca> n2diy: is that a question? If so, the answer is "yes"
[22:57] <Mood> anyone use the new xfce print screen function yet?
[22:58] <Mood> it seems buggy to me, specifically regarding the non-clearing out of keystrokes after an instance. if you hold down the print screen button for 5 seconds before releasing, you'll see what i mean. seems serious to me
[22:59] <Mood> it nearly brought down my entire system. i had to ssh from another machine and individually kill -9 all the screen print processes
[22:59] <carlis> Hi
[23:00] <carlis> How do i fix the issue with ubiquity in xubuntu ?
[23:01] <Mood> what issue
[23:01] <SiDi> carlis: did you send that email ?
[23:01] <charlie-tca> Why would you want all those screen prints, Mood
[23:01] <carlis> yes
[23:02] <Mood> i don't. i just held the button down for a little longer than usual. but it seems like a bug with screen grab, no?
[23:02] <carlis> are they going to answer me ?
[23:02] <SiDi> it's related to ubiquity, the tool is the same in u/xu/kubuntu, we can't help you on this, but the guys on this mailing lists can, since they created the ubiquity tool.
[23:02] <SiDi> carlis: they will
[23:03] <charlie-tca> It is the "key repeat" not knowing you don't want the key to repeat, I think. that is not really a bug
[23:04] <Mood> charlie-tca: yes, exactly. it's the key repeat that's the offender. isn't that something that could/should be modified within screengrab?
[23:04] <charlie-tca> That seems more like AI. I want all keys except ??? to repeat.
[23:05] <carlis> sidi when are they going to answer ?
[23:06] <SiDi> carlis: most likely after they read your email
[23:06] <SiDi> and faster if you gave them all the info they could need
[23:06] <SiDi> but i cant read in other people's mind unfortunately
[23:06] <SiDi> so i cant give you a date ;)
[23:06] <Mood> charlie-tca: can you clarify AI? not sure what that is
[23:07] <charlie-tca> Artificial Intelligence. You want the computer to know which keys should repeat and which should not.
[23:07] <Mood> heh, oh, THAT ai...
[23:07] <charlie-tca> lol
[23:08] <carlis> I sent the issue to thi email ? is it right ? Sidi ?                    ubuntu-installer@lists.ubuntu.com
[23:08] <SiDi> Yes
[23:08]  * SiDi waves at ochosi.
[23:08] <Mood> i think maybe what i'm observing/complaining about is XFCE's way of handling GUI requests, like shortcuts, screengrab, etc. key repeating within apps should be irrelevant
[23:08]  * ochosi waves back!
[23:09] <carlis> ok Sidi
[23:09] <carlis> I wait the answer of them
[23:09] <carlis> Thanks for helping me
[23:09] <carlis> Sidi
[23:09] <charlie-tca> we almost did not have screenshot
[23:10] <SiDi> you're welcome carlis
[23:10] <carlis> Bye Sidi
[23:11] <SiDi> See you
[23:11] <Mood> charlie-tca: yep, i used to use scrot. seeing it part of the new xfce was a nice addition