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txwikingerWell.. this is interesting00:00
txwikingerI removed the tray and added it again00:00
txwikingereverytime I add one, it shows 2 more in the Add widget dialog00:01
JontheEchidnanow you have three?00:01
txwikingerNow I have removed all of them00:01
txwikingerand I still get notifications00:01
JontheEchidnao.o00:01
txwikingerbut they look like gnome ones00:01
apacheloggerhttp://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/bootchart.png00:04
apachelogger*cough* python *cough*00:04
txwikingerwhere can I see a list of all widgets that are active?00:05
* txwikinger thinks apachelogger has gotten the swineflu00:05
txwikingerWell.. the notifications are fixed now, but add widget still says 200:07
txwikingerkpackagekit has an ungly dialog popup00:09
txwikingerlooks like gnome00:09
JontheEchidnathat seems to happen if you have the gnome policykit stuff installed, even if you also have the kde policykit stuff :/00:10
apacheloggerhm00:10
JontheEchidnathe gnomish one just sorta... takes over00:10
apacheloggerthat kdebuildsycoca4 run seems quite long00:10
JontheEchidnalex79: we're packaging KDE 4.2.3 now, and we were wondering if you'd be interested in joining us00:21
lex79JontheEchidna: yes please :)00:22
JontheEchidnalex79: see my pm00:23
lex79ya00:24
Riddell~twitter update Beltane and pagan weddings01:36
kubotustatus updated01:36
Riddellryanakca: what's the name of the theme used on the kubuntu.org site?01:49
ryanakcaRiddell: kubuntu-theme-v2 ... other than that, I don't know.01:49
ryanakcaIf you're looking for the branch, lp:~kubuntu-website/kubuntu-website/kubuntu-theme-v2 ...01:49
Riddellthat should do thanks01:50
bjsniderwhat package provides kde-config?02:22
JontheEchidnajonathan@jonathan-desktop:~$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/kde4-config02:23
JontheEchidnakdelibs-bin: /usr/bin/kde4-config02:23
JontheEchidnaoh, kde-config?02:24
JontheEchidnakdelibs4c2a02:24
bjsniderkde4-config is fine02:24
JontheEchidnaok :)02:25
bjsnidermerci02:26
JontheEchidnayou're welcome02:29
* JontheEchidna is not good at french02:29
bjsnideris anybody working on a build of the kde4 port of kaffeine?02:34
JontheEchidnaI think tonio has svn packages in his ppa02:34
bjsniderwhich one is that?02:34
* JontheEchidna tries to find it02:36
bjsniderfound it02:36
JontheEchidnayeah, firefox is being all slow since I'm compiling kdeplasma-addons :/02:37
JontheEchidnaI really need to get a better computer02:37
bjsniderwhat rig do you have now?02:38
JontheEchidna~5 or 6 year old 2.5 GHZ Compaq with 640 MB RAM02:38
JontheEchidnanVidia Geforce 4 MX 44002:39
bjsniderthis mustbe why the build always failed for me. they're starting to use kde4 in the svn versions recetnly. i was getting qt related failures when i tried to build the recent svn versions02:39
bjsnidermust be looking for qt4 instead of qt302:39
macoguys, have any of you noticed that printing from okular doesn't work?02:40
maco(yes, i can print a testpage)02:40
JontheEchidnaI can do everything except print multiple copies of things02:40
macoooo is that the problem?02:40
macoi just told it to print only one and it's not doing anything02:41
JontheEchidnahuh, that should work02:41
macolpr: Bad job-sheets value ""!02:42
macoso i guess "print all pages" doesn't work?02:42
* JontheEchidna isn't a fan of the Qt printing setup02:42
macoeh i'm installing evince now02:43
macotrusty ol' evince02:43
macoi wonder if it has something to do with networked printer v. directly-attached printer?02:43
macoJontheEchidna: do you use a local or network printer?02:46
JontheEchidnalocal, one of those old wide printer ports02:46
macoso uh...you only use desktops then i guess?02:47
JontheEchidnayeah, I don't have a laptop02:48
bjsniderTonio_, ping02:53
claydohIf I were smarter (or stupid) I'd say install our own qa tracker the qa site code is in launchpad03:19
astrommeNightrose: Since I'm still playing with ideas.... http://blog.chatonka.com/RTMPlasmoid-8.png what do you think? Better? Worse?04:29
* eagles0513875 waves to Nightrose10:56
* daskreech sines up Nightrose10:56
* eagles0513875 O_o10:57
Riddellsuccess on kde bug 190913 !11:05
ubottuKDE bug 190913 in general "ktorrent tar missing Messages sh" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19091311:05
eagles0513875morning11:06
eagles0513875ill continue filing bugs upstream when i get back form lunch11:06
eagles0513875Riddell: question. since kvirc 4.0 on jaunty is still in the kvirc svn trunk if i package it can it be push out as an update to kvirc that is in the repos11:09
Riddellit could go in backports11:09
eagles0513875can you clarify what backports repo is11:10
Riddellbackports is new versions of applications11:22
apacheloggerOH MY GOD11:42
apacheloggerdigikam got a first start wizard11:42
apacheloggernah, that is too much11:42
apacheloggerdigikam is not going into any default setup unless the atitude gets rethinked11:42
Lure_apachelogger: ;-)11:43
apacheloggerseriously11:43
Lure_apachelogger: I know11:43
Riddelltsk11:44
apacheloggeras if it was not bad enough that the interface is pretty much unsable to people like me who haven't used photo apps more than twice a year, now one can't even directly dive into not-using it but first have to cope with the wizard11:44
Lure_apachelogger: that is why you have gwenview11:44
apacheloggergwenview does not cut the cheese11:45
* Lure_ also hates first time wizards, particularly for obvious questions11:45
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apacheloggerso either there needs to be a 3rd photo managing app that is somewhere between gwenview and digikam or digikam rethinks it's defaults and overall design11:45
Lureapachelogger: you have to agree that usability is improving (partucalry with 0.10 that has moved edit controls into main window)11:46
apacheloggerpersonally I'd like see the latter because digikam is a kick-ass app and can actually help people to experience their photo collection in a completely different way11:46
apacheloggerLure: last time I used digikam was in 0.7 I think11:47
apacheloggerthe UI was less cluttered then11:47
Lureapachelogger: try kde4 version, it is better, but still not there11:47
apacheloggerthe sidebar icons annoy me most of all11:47
apacheloggerLure: I did11:47
Lureapachelogger: gilles is adding features faster than improving usability... ;-)11:47
apacheloggerthat is the problem11:47
Lureapachelogger: agreed, but that is programmers view of where effort should be spent11:48
apacheloggeryeah11:48
apacheloggerI asked seele to do a review once she gets a chance11:48
Lureapachelogger: I recall that she already did something couple of years ago (or did she just planned to do it?), but do not recall any progress on that11:49
apacheloggershe did11:49
apacheloggeror so she said :D11:49
apacheloggerha11:53
apacheloggerthe wizard is saying that the "minimal setup is done"11:54
apacheloggerafter asking me questions like if I want raw import or not or if I want thumbs or not ...11:54
apacheloggerthat tells alot about the expected target audience though :D11:54
apacheloggerhuh12:03
apacheloggerNightrose: ping12:03
JontheEchidnahrmnnnn12:43
JontheEchidnais it reasonable to expect ksmserver to crash if X crashes?12:43
JontheEchidnaI had a feeling that all of those bug 332811's that were being reported were related to X crashes, but bug 370304 confirms that12:44
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/332811/+text)12:45
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/370191/+text)12:45
Nightroseapachelogger: pong12:45
JontheEchidnaman, LP is being absolutely horrible this morning12:45
JontheEchidnawhoa, neat: http://www.dennogumi.org/2009/05/new-refactored-system-settings12:51
eagles0513875JontheEchidna: would you llike me to go see what the issue is with lp13:20
JontheEchidnanot particularly13:21
JontheEchidnaI switched to edge and things seem a bit better13:22
eagles0513875ok horrible in waht sense if you dont mind me asking cuz i was bout to get on there and try upstream a few more bugs13:22
JontheEchidnaslow, timing out all the time13:22
JontheEchidnaI spent 5 minutes trying to mark one bug as a duplicate of another13:22
eagles0513875humm13:22
JontheEchidnathrowing error messages too13:22
eagles0513875JontheEchidna: seems to be fine after i got message with the irc info and what not13:23
Mamarokfolks, could we switch the default font from dejaVu to Liberation? It's sooo much better!!!13:23
MamarokI can read my Konsole again wihout having to zoom13:24
Mamarokthx Nuno :)13:24
JontheEchidnavorian: out of curiosity, what was the rationale for dropping the symbols files in strigi?13:34
JontheEchidnaIf that delta is resolved we can sync13:35
ScottKJontheEchidna: We need some pkg-kde-tools magic we don't have yet.13:36
ScottKThe magic needs a newer dpkg than we have atm.13:36
vorianJontheEchidna: what ScottK said13:45
eagles0513875what is the success rate of the upgrade process from one release to the latest release13:47
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JontheEchidnaMaybe it would be better to put in the symbol files, but don't enable them in debian/rules? That'd make the diff a whole lot smaller13:50
JontheEchidnawe could even put a note in debian/rules explaining the delta13:51
ScottKMaybe.  IIRC if they are there there's some CDBS magic that grabs hold of them.13:53
JontheEchidnaI put a generic "what's new in cdbs" point on the meeting agenda. Riddell merged pkg-kde-tools a few days I figure it'd be good to discuss13:54
JontheEchidna*so I figure13:54
ScottKI also put something about it on the list for UDS.13:56
JontheEchidnaWhat I got from scanning debian/changelog was that jr took our Rosetta magic from kde4.mk in cdbs and put it in the relevant pkg-kde-tools scripts, then synced everything else13:58
JontheEchidnahmm, I guess in this case insufficiently advanced technology that barely works is indistinguishable from magic? :P (rosetta, our translation stuff in general)14:00
ScottKI think magic is not the thing that Rosetta is indistinguishable from.14:01
JontheEchidnahttp://trueg.wordpress.com/2009/05/01/redland-109-breaks-nepomuk/15:27
JontheEchidnaI guess we don't want to merge redland then15:28
ScottKTo the extent nepomuk actually works, no.15:28
JontheEchidnaoh, they fixed it: http://bugs.librdf.org/mantis/view.php?id=30215:33
JontheEchidnadebian has the patch too15:33
Riddellclever debian :)15:33
JontheEchidnaoh, and it will autosync too, nice15:35
eagles0513875any bugs for upstream let me know15:37
ikoniaeagles0513875: if there is a bug that needs to go upstream, what do you do ?15:57
eagles0513875go to  bugs.kde.org and file it there15:59
eagles0513875i have already filed a number of bugs and gotten responses on some already ikonia16:00
ikoniaeagles0513875: so basiclly an ubuntu bug - you re-log on kde's bug tracker  or the individual application tracker ?16:03
eagles0513875ikonia: no i only do kde bugs16:04
eagles0513875thats why im in here16:04
eagles0513875if its ubuntu then that goes on the gnome bug list16:04
ikoniaso you re-log kde launchpad bugs on bugzilla kde ?16:04
eagles0513875yes thats what i was told to do16:04
eagles0513875and i link back to the lp filed bug16:05
ikoniaok, so when you talk about you are fixing bugs that's what you're talking about, re-logging them on the maintainers bug traack16:06
ikoniaok, now I see what you're talking about, that makes more sense16:06
eagles0513875for now yes untill i can find time to learn some programming its a start16:06
Gonanyone has installed Adobe Air on a fresh jaunty installation?16:06
GonI can't, the installer can't find kwallet O_o16:07
ikoniaeagles0513875: thank you, that makes total sense now16:07
eagles0513875ikonia: no problem got my mind in a million different directions right now16:07
eagles0513875it wont return to one till after 19th may16:08
Riddellhum, not sure what to think about this http://www.dennogumi.org/2009/05/new-refactored-system-settings16:08
Riddellactually, yes I do, apps should work out the best UI and stick with it, offering to change  the whole UI as a config option causes problems for support apart from anything else16:09
Riddellseele: what think thee?16:09
Riddellapachelogger: mm, we have a different docs path to debian don't we?16:13
apacheloggerthink so, they only wanted to change it once kdebase3 is gone IIRC16:14
Riddellthat means a lot of packages won't be synable16:14
Riddellmaybe we should add a symlink16:14
Riddell/usr/share/doc/kde4/ -> /usr/share/doc/kde16:15
maconixternal: wow dude, that 65% translated deal....dang16:20
maconixternal: know what happens? it tries to use the top language for anything it has. what it doesn't have, it goes to the second language. if neither have the string, it goes to english. so my apps are 65% spanish, 30% japanese, and 5% English16:21
eagles0513875nice maco16:21
macoto the point that dialogs have buttons for "Sí" and "いいえ”16:22
eagles0513875interesting combo seems like your trying to invent a new language remix16:22
Riddellmaco: what is missing strings?16:22
macokontact16:23
macokmail's what i'm in the most16:23
macoi no longer have the fluency in either spanish or japanese to fix most of it though16:24
a|wen_maco: you just gave me the laugh of the day16:24
nixternalmaco: the 65% was documentation translations only16:24
maco(which is why i'm using those languages...hopefully it's a little bit of immersion)16:24
maconixternal: oh.16:24
* nixternal heads to jcastro's neck of the woods....see ya later...long road trip16:24
eagles0513875enjoy nixternal16:24
macopenguicon?16:24
macoRiddell: at least, i'm guessing that it's a fallback sequence since i see mostly spanish. it's possible that the thing just goes bonkers when you have >1 language in the list16:25
macoalso, i think there's some environment variable not being set because the gtk apps i use don't get translated. but well...qt and gtk interacting with each other poorly isn't a surprise. just seems that setting the lang ought to set it for everything, not just native apps16:28
macoi'm starting to think i'm the definition of a corner case :(16:28
apacheloggerRiddell: if it works ... besides all KDE 4 apps use cdbs anyway, don't they?16:30
Riddellapachelogger: aye but their .install files would be different if they're split up16:32
apacheloggertrue16:32
a|wen_but how should that symlink work then; who should provide it? ... and does dpkg like that :/16:34
Riddella|wen_: I put it in kdelibs5-data16:34
Riddelldpkg is fine and happy, there's nothing else in the way16:34
a|wen_so on upgrade everything is moved from kde4 to kde and the symlink is created?16:35
Riddellit's already moved in jaunty16:35
Riddellthis isn't new16:35
Riddelljust has to be done again in the merge16:36
daskreechThere seems to be a lot of interest in a Netbook remix for Kubuntu in Koala16:36
Riddelldaskreech: from whom?16:36
* a|wen_ wonders why he doesn't have that symlink16:37
Riddellthe symlink wasn't there before16:38
Riddellthat's the new bit16:38
daskreechmicroblogs blogs and IRC16:38
Riddellwhich means we can sync stuff from debian without worrying16:38
Riddelldaskreech: question is what to put in it that would be different16:38
daskreechIs there a Ubuntu Netbook Remix Team?16:38
daskreechMaybe just a package for default configs16:39
Riddelldaskreech: there's been talk of plasma profiles for netbooks but I havn't seen anything concrete16:39
Riddelldaskreech: there's several ubuntu mobile teams, one of them makes the netbook remix16:39
daskreechAh ok16:39
a|wen_Riddell: but then that would mean, that my current content of kde4 should be moved to kde on the kdelibs5-data upgrade ... just didn't know that dpkg could do that; but well, you get amazed again and again16:40
eagles0513875koffic i think needs to be looked at for karmic when i try to install it it complains about not having kformula as a dependency but now for some reason it seems to be working16:40
daskreechKOffice isn't ready16:40
daskreechThe Koffice team wouldn't be happy16:41
a|wen_daskreech: aren't they at RC currently ... that should mean that a final is on the way16:42
eagles0513875well now for some reason its pulling it from svn i dunno why16:42
daskreech2.0 == KDE 4.016:42
eagles0513875koffice 1.6.316:42
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Riddella|wen: in jaunty kdelibs5-data has its docs in /usr/share/doc/kde/16:51
a|wenit's only the packages that we are syncing from debian that is located in kde416:52
Riddellyes16:52
a|wenand when kdelibs5-data ships that symlink ... then all the files installed in my kde4 dir will automagical get moved by dpkg16:55
tsimpsonLaunchpad Translations session in -classroom, I wonder if apachelogger has any questions ;)17:00
apacheloggernope17:07
apacheloggeronly complaints17:07
eagles0513875lol17:07
daskreechapachelogger: preface with RANT: in #ubuntu-classroom-chat17:08
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apacheloggerdaskreech: what where when what?17:29
daskreechapachelogger: instead of prefacing it with QUESTION:17:29
macoRiddell: oh uh,quassel's mostly english too actually. menu titles are spanish but their contents are english17:30
apacheloggercan't follow17:30
MatratzenMatzehey guys, im just curious why the build of quassel is a debug build, 52MB is quiet hiuge for a IRC client17:30
apacheloggermaco: that is due to incomplete translation though17:30
apacheloggermaco: luckily quassel doesn't have .mo files that pkgbinarymangler can feed upon17:31
MatratzenMatzehere, quassel looks completely translated (german)17:31
apachelogger!info quassel17:31
ubottuquassel (source: quassel): KDE4/Qt based, IRC client. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.1-0ubuntu3 (jaunty), package size 18909 kB, installed size 52912 kB17:31
macoapachelogger: yeah i was saying before that it seemed there were a bunch of incomplete translations and that it falls back through the other languages so that KMail pops up yes/no dialogs that say "Sí" and "いいえ"17:31
macobecause i have 1. spanish 2. japanese 3. english in my settings17:32
apacheloggerMatratzenMatze: possibly it includes icons17:32
apacheloggermight as well not17:32
MatratzenMatzeapachelogger: the executable is 52MB ... after strip its just 2 MB17:32
apacheloggermaco: that is intent behaviour17:32
apacheloggerwell, the not-translated state obviously not, but the falling back is :D17:33
apacheloggerMatratzenMatze: well, report a bug and poke ScottK17:34
MatratzenMatzeapachelogger: thnx, but this is not that important IMHO, I was just curious...that 52MB term was the reason to finally try out quassel so it have a good side ^^17:35
apacheloggerwell17:35
apacheloggerit is important17:36
apacheloggersince quassel is currently part of the cd seed it is wasting a lot of space17:36
apacheloggerapparently we forgot to remove the debugfull setting from the testing packages17:36
apacheloggeror we could just create -dbg for that matter I suppose17:36
MatratzenMatzeokay, then i file a bug, good that i have a launchpad account^^17:36
apacheloggerScottK: there is also a typo in the description17:37
macoapachelogger: ah ok. the regional settings thing doesn't make it quite clear....though actually, looking at it, i have english *above* japanese so how am i getting any japanese at all?17:37
apachelogger This is a modern, cross-platform, distributed KDE4/QT4 IRC client. One17:37
apacheloggernote the QT17:37
apacheloggermaco: depends on the kind of english17:38
apacheloggerif it is en_US something ought to be broken17:38
macoit's en_US17:38
apacheloggerthat is funky then17:38
macooh. oh gosh. not this again.17:38
macocrud!17:38
apacheloggeras a matter of fact, thinking about it ... JontheEchidna actually did test the spanish l10n before release and it seemed fine then17:39
apacheloggerso I am wondering how you get untranslated strings now17:39
macoi forgot, when you hit apply on language changing, it just repeatedly fills a progress bar forever17:39
apacheloggernot forever17:39
apacheloggerit just does various runs17:39
Riddellmaco: I installed spanish and japanese language packs and set kde to use spanish > japanese > C17:39
Riddelland kmail seems entirely spamnish17:39
Riddellspanish17:39
Riddellno spam fortunately :)17:39
apacheloggerspamish17:39
macowhen you go to Preferencias -> Configurar KMail...17:41
macoyou don't see "Accounts" in English?17:41
macoand if you click "Composer" the first tab in its section isn't in japanese?17:41
maco(tab title, i mean)17:41
daskreechI thought Spam was an english thing17:42
MatratzenMatzebug reported, yaay17:42
daskreechwritten in Python17:42
macoRiddell: er that was @ you17:44
apacheloggerhm, I always knew that bugs get caused by python17:44
macoalso the 2nd tab in the Misc part of KMail settings17:45
JontheEchidnalulz:17:45
JontheEchidna<CIA-8> aseigo * r972171 applets/trunk/KDE/kdeplasma-addons/ (850 files in 88 dirs): rewrite plasma in qbasic17:45
Riddellmaco: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kmail.png17:45
daskreechha ha17:46
MatratzenMatzelol17:46
Riddellmaco: pastebin   apt-cache policy language-pack-kde-es-base language-pack-kde-es language-pack-es-base language-pack-es language-pack-kde-ja-base language-pack-kde-ja language-pack-ja-base language-pack-ja17:46
Riddellmaco: hmm, there are tabs in Editor and Varios which are in Japanese17:47
macohttp://pastebin.ca/140955217:48
* MatratzenMatze loves that URL preview feature of quassel17:48
daskreechMatratzenMatze: Yup17:48
macoi did come across one settings dialog somewhere entirely in english. maybe that was quassel though17:49
macoalso, "Miscellaneous" is translated differently in KMail v. Quassel. this should be sorta standardized shouldn't it?17:51
RiddellI actually don't know how quassel translations are done17:51
MatratzenMatzedidnt it uses Qt4's translation system ?17:52
Riddellmaybe17:53
MatratzenMatzethe quassel package didnt includes any language files, maybe there are inside those langage-packs17:54
MatratzenMatzeah no17:54
MatratzenMatzequassel-data, there are there .qm files...qt4's language files17:55
MatratzenMatze-there +these ... sry for my bad english and stupid typos17:55
macoso uh, at UDS there should be a lot of people all over the place that can be recruited to fix up some spanish translations right? being in spain and all?17:56
maco(may require cervezas though...)17:57
MatratzenMatzeI dont see any quassel_sp.qm file inside quassel-data, so there seems to be no translation for it ... you could easy do that yourself17:58
dpmmaco: wine would do as well17:58
macoMatratzenMatze: i haven't studied spanish in 6 years. i'm hoping that using my desktop in spanish will remind me a few words for in case i need to try to use spanish while over there for UDS18:00
macofreakishly, i can remember more "question words" than i can in japanese...which i only stopped 2 years ago...dang18:00
macobut my skills suck too much for me to translate these myself :(18:01
MatratzenMatze^^ looks like you know lotsa languages18:01
eagles0513875i need to brush up on my spanish i can help with spanish translations granted im from texas18:01
macojust none fluently enough18:01
macoMatratzenMatze: back when i was still studying japanese id do some translations, but i've lost it18:02
eagles0513875yo necesito practicar mi espanol lol18:02
MatratzenMatzemaco: maybe its enough to do an initial translation ? most things are just single words18:03
macoeagles0513875: i dont think you need a "mi" in there18:03
eagles0513875mi = my doesnt it18:03
MatratzenMatzejapanese is an interesing language,i like looking animes with original sound and subtitles ^^18:03
* eagles0513875 dinner time away18:03
macoeagles0513875: yeah, but "my spanish" is rather ...odd18:04
macointerestingly, Quassel has "Configurar... Configurar... Configure" in one of its menus18:04
a|wenRiddell: i'm trying to verify bug 368538 ... is one translated button good enough for you?18:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 368538 in kpackagekit "translations not loaded" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36853818:47
Riddella|wen: yes18:52
Riddella|wen: it's in playground so there aren't many translations anyway18:53
a|wenRiddell: thought so ... i'll make a positive comment18:54
Gonkubuntu has a GUI to manage system services?19:10
a|wenGon: you mean the ones in /etc/init.d ?19:11
Gonyes19:12
Gon:B19:12
a|wenGon: sysv-rc-conf has an ncurses "gui"; i think that is the closest you get currently19:13
Gonm!19:13
Gonthx19:14
* Gon is away: almuerzo19:23
eagles0513875can someone explain why when i try to install koffice i get this error  koffice: Depends: kformula (>= 1:1.6.3-7ubuntu6) but it is not going to be installed19:31
eagles0513875whats worse if i install kformula it wants to remove kde19:32
eagles0513875JontheEchidna: ping19:35
eagles0513875JontheEchidna: bug 301698 upstream  said cannot be reporduced in qt 4.5.0 and the current trunk r96190919:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 301698 in kde4libs "khtml cursor text selection" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30169819:37
* Gon is back.19:44
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apacheloggerQuintasan: ping20:24
* a|wen has rotating cubes and kde 4.2 goodness on his eee now :)20:35
apacheloggera|wen: it would be better if you had minion goodness20:35
a|wenhehe ... that is still work in progress :P20:36
eagles0513875minion to do what20:38
eagles0513875i guess im the channel upstream minion and testing minion20:39
apacheloggereagles0513875: packaging minion this time20:54
eagles0513875well im still trying to figure out how to package kvirc at least an update 4.0 version which is still in trunk20:55
eagles0513875and yay to packaging :)20:55
eagles0513875apachelogger: question would pbuilder be good enough to package somethign after i install the svn20:57
apacheloggerI suppose20:58
eagles0513875ok will try package a newer snapshot of kvirc tomorrow20:58
eagles0513875what package needs to be packaged20:58
apacheloggerfotowall20:59
apacheloggerway beyond your skills though20:59
eagles0513875is there a packaging bug that i could assign myself to20:59
apacheloggerquite tricky since it includes 3rd party components that should be removed to begin with20:59
eagles0513875humm not sure if i might be the right person then since i have never packaged antyhgin before20:59
eagles0513875koffice has me really upset21:00
neversfeldeapachelogger: are you working on fotowall?21:03
eagles0513875lol neversfelde he was gonna give it to me to package but i have never packaged anything before im gonna ry package an updated snapshot of kvirc21:04
a|wenthat app looks amazingly cool21:10
eagles0513875well apache mentioned somethign about removing 3rd party stuff before packaging it hink it would be best if someone who knows how to package till i figure out how to package and ill be doing that tomorrow with a new snapshot compilationa installation and packaging of kvirc 4.0 snapshot21:11
neversfeldeI started to work at it, but not sure, if my skills are enough. We will see21:12
eagles0513875apachelogger: seems like neversfelde is working on packaging fotowall21:12
seeleRiddell: considering i helped him with his changes a bit, i say yay21:13
a|wenneversfelde: cool ... if you need a hand just let me know; I would love to see that one in karmic21:13
neversfeldea|wen: thanks21:14
eagles0513875a|wen: mind if i ask ya if i have issues with packaging updated snapshot of kvirc 4.0 from trunk21:14
a|weni thought there already was a kvirc svn snapshot out there21:15
eagles0513875its in jaunty21:15
eagles0513875w4.0 is still beta was just putting together a more updated version of it21:15
a|wenwith some luck not much needs to be changes21:17
Riddellseele: you think the app should have two different UI layouts?21:17
seeleRiddell: i think we need a completely new app, but this is something that has been an outstanding feature request since 4.021:18
Riddellmumble mumble21:26
eagles0513875Riddell: whats wrong21:27
seelehum?21:27
* seele pokes Riddell in the eye21:27
* eagles0513875 smacks seele thats no way to treat teh person who helps to make kubuntu so great21:28
seeleow :P21:28
Riddellyeah seele, nyah!21:28
seeleRiddell: *thppt*21:28
eagles0513875no one treats our fearless ubuntu historian and leader that way lol21:28
eagles0513875i might be just a minion but ill stand up for our leader21:29
eagles0513875:p21:29
seelefine, i'll just take my attentions elsewhere21:29
eagles0513875lol21:29
eagles0513875seele: j/k bro lol21:29
Riddellnay, come back!21:29
seelelol bro?21:29
eagles0513875O_O chica is that better21:30
seeleRiddell: mumble mumble21:30
eagles0513875seele: whats wrong21:30
Riddelland who made me leader?  I've always said seele was the leader21:33
eagles0513875i said you were leader rickspencer321:35
eagles0513875miss type Riddell you the leader21:35
rickspencer3I'm the leader21:35
* eagles0513875 makes note to slef typing lying down isnt good choice lol21:35
eagles0513875lol21:35
seeleRiddell: me leader? lots of people probably wouldnt like that21:37
eagles0513875Riddell: your the kubuntu almighty21:38
a|wenseele: female leaders is the new black ;)21:41
seelea|wen: i dont want it because it's trendy21:41
eagles0513875seele: = female21:42
eagles0513875im confused21:42
seelewhat is there to be confused about?21:43
eagles0513875nice to see a chica about the dev scene21:43
Riddellahem21:43
* eagles0513875 zips me lips21:44
seelei've only been around for a long while now21:44
* eagles0513875 just getting into dev scene21:45
seeleso it's nice to see new clueless boys joining open source projects :P21:45
eagles0513875seel i been on linux for bout 9 yrs21:45
seelecongratulations21:46
eagles0513875see yall in am im bout to pass out on the couch here21:47
eagles0513875is there a newer version of the uck tool floating around a ppa somewhere21:48
shtylmanwell...im officially done with college :)21:57
seeleshtylman: grats21:57
seeleshtylman: got a job? hehe21:57
a|wenshtylman: congratulations21:57
shtylmanseele: thx... and indeed I do :)21:58
shtylmanmoving up to nyc to start work there21:58
neversfeldeshtylman: congratulations22:01
seeledoes till kampeter work for canonical now? i thought he was working on openprinting through the linux foundation22:06
Riddellseele: he's worked for canonical for a couple of years part time, and linux foundation the other part22:08
Riddellseele: well done22:08
neversfeldeSo I guess GPL and LGPL is ok for ubuntu packages, but files released under some strange private private terms should be removed?22:08
seeleRiddell: i've done what?22:08
Riddellumm, tab completion fail22:09
Riddellshtylman: well done22:09
Riddellneversfelde: if it can be distributed it can go in multiverse22:09
seeletab completion seem to be a problem for lots of people today22:09
shtylmanRiddell: thx...also...added some thoughts to the KubuntuKarmicSpecs page regarding installation22:10
Riddellbut congratulations to seele too for being a lovely person22:10
neversfeldehuh, I will never touch software containing a folder named "3rdparty" again :)22:10
shtylman(but apparently the page will send you an email saying its been changed ... so nevermind :)22:10
Riddelle-mail?  unreliable communication medium22:11
shtylmanhahaha22:11
shtylmandamn...my whole life has been a lie :(22:11
udoeverythinghello everyone! Is there any work drunk people can help with? I am still capabable to test ISOs or something ;)22:24
seeleRiddell: aw shucks22:25
neversfeldeare PPAs karmic ready?22:27
a|weni'm pretty sure they are (haven't tested it yet though)22:28
Riddelludoeverything: tested the new network manager plasmoid?22:29
udoeverythingRiddell: I'm  running Kubuntu Jaunty atm and my lan is working fine. Where is that plasmoid? Just the on that shipped? Or from a PPA?22:30
udoeverythingRiddell: I can test it. Shall I try anything special?22:33
udoeverythingRiddell: But I have to WLAN and no VPN .. so I might not be the best tester ;)22:33
udoeverything*have no22:33
Riddellall welcome22:34
Riddellit's in the ~kubuntu-experimental PPA22:34
udoeverythingRiddell: OK, installing now :)22:35
neversfeldemhh, no karmic for ppas.22:35
neversfeldea|wen: I will push a jaunty version of my fotowall package to my ppa. It builds and lintian is not complaining, but it contains several files with a strange license (I mentioned that in copyright). I am not sure what to do next, so help would be appreciated :)22:37
neversfeldeppas seem to be down or builders are very busy, so it will take some time to upload22:38
neversfeldeah karmic is also accepted now22:40
a|wenneversfelde: okay ... i'll take a look at it sometime tomorrow22:41
neversfeldethanks22:41
a|wenneversfelde: ~neversfelde on LP?22:43
neversfeldea|wen: yes22:43
a|wentoo easy :)22:43
neversfeldehehe22:44
udoeverythingRiddell: OK, I installed it and I tried a few options and it always crashed Plasma once I go to "Configure Networkmanagement ctrl+S" (my lame translation from my german version) and then when I click "OK"22:48
udoeverythingRiddell: Plama crashes, but it comes back fine22:49
a|wenudoeverything: there is a -dbg package as well for getting a backtrace22:50
a|wenudoeverything: and compare it with the backtrace here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2009-April/002829.html ... if it is the same it is already fixed (just need to update the snapshot again)22:52
udoeverythinga|wen: kdenetwork-dbg?22:52
a|wenudoeverything: plasma-widget-network-manager-dbg22:53
udoeverythingok, thanks22:53
udoeverythinga|wen: OK, I installed the dpg packages, but now it stopped doing the crahes :(22:57
udoeverythinga|wen: I had to install: kdebase-runtime-dbg{a} kdebase-workspace-dbg{a}22:58
udoeverything  plasma-widget-network-manager-dbg22:58
a|wenudoeverything: well ... if they re-appear you have the -dbg now22:58
udoeverythinga|wen: OK, but I wanted to help squash a bug before I go to bed ;)22:59
a|wenudoeverything: then you still have work to do ;)22:59
udoeverything<a|wen> udoeverything: then you still have work to do ;)23:00
udoeverythingI guess so :)23:00
a|wenoh well, i will go to bed now in any case23:00
neversfelden8 a|wen23:00
udoeverythingGute Nacht a|wen23:01
a|wenthx / vielen dank23:01
Riddellfabo: did you look at qt and phonon?23:04
udoeverythingwhen I enable compositing on my ATI x1300 with the open source driver my Kubuntu system freezes ( except the mouse ) .. is the Xorg team working on that?23:07
shtylmanudoeverything: doubt it...in any case you might wanna provide some more info...23:10
shtylmanlogs...23:10
udoeverythingshtylman: I have to hard reset when that happens .. what logs do you need?23:11
shtylmanudoeverything: not me personally, just suggesting that you look at the logs, xorg...syslog...and see if you can detect symptoms or something to help with debugging it23:12
shtylmanudoeverything: check the logs after a reset, they should rotate...hopefully...23:12
udoeverythingshtylman: OK,   will enable now .. might be gone soon ;)23:13
apacheloggernow23:56
apacheloggerwhom do I poke23:56
apacheloggerneversfelde: wanna do a major bug fix + SRU?23:56
apacheloggerpossibly forward to debian as well23:56
neversfeldemhh23:58
neversfeldeurgent?23:58
neversfeldeemergency?23:58
apacheloggerwell, not that23:58
apacheloggerbut should be done within a week or so23:58
apacheloggerhm.... I really wonder why lunchpad doesn't want to leave me my cookies23:59
* neversfelde thinks at a popular 80s song everytime writig urgent :D23:59
apacheloggerseems rather rude to take them away after it handed me them23:59
apacheloggerneversfelde: -.-23:59
neversfeldeapachelogger: I can't guarantee to do that, my exam :(23:59
apacheloggerwell, sec23:59

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