[00:00] <txwikinger> Well.. this is interesting
[00:00] <txwikinger> I removed the tray and added it again
[00:01] <txwikinger> everytime I add one, it shows 2 more in the Add widget dialog
[00:01] <JontheEchidna> now you have three?
[00:01] <txwikinger> Now I have removed all of them
[00:01] <txwikinger> and I still get notifications
[00:01] <JontheEchidna> o.o
[00:01] <txwikinger> but they look like gnome ones
[00:04] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/bootchart.png
[00:04] <apachelogger> *cough* python *cough*
[00:05] <txwikinger> where can I see a list of all widgets that are active?
[00:05]  * txwikinger thinks apachelogger has gotten the swineflu
[00:07] <txwikinger> Well.. the notifications are fixed now, but add widget still says 2
[00:09] <txwikinger> kpackagekit has an ungly dialog popup
[00:09] <txwikinger> looks like gnome
[00:10] <JontheEchidna> that seems to happen if you have the gnome policykit stuff installed, even if you also have the kde policykit stuff :/
[00:10] <apachelogger> hm
[00:10] <JontheEchidna> the gnomish one just sorta... takes over
[00:10] <apachelogger> that kdebuildsycoca4 run seems quite long
[00:21] <JontheEchidna> lex79: we're packaging KDE 4.2.3 now, and we were wondering if you'd be interested in joining us
[00:22] <lex79> JontheEchidna: yes please :)
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> lex79: see my pm
[00:24] <lex79> ya
[01:36] <Riddell> ~twitter update Beltane and pagan weddings
[01:36] <kubotu> status updated
[01:49] <Riddell> ryanakca: what's the name of the theme used on the kubuntu.org site?
[01:49] <ryanakca> Riddell: kubuntu-theme-v2 ... other than that, I don't know.
[01:49] <ryanakca> If you're looking for the branch, lp:~kubuntu-website/kubuntu-website/kubuntu-theme-v2 ...
[01:50] <Riddell> that should do thanks
[02:22] <bjsnider> what package provides kde-config?
[02:23] <JontheEchidna> jonathan@jonathan-desktop:~$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/kde4-config
[02:23] <JontheEchidna> kdelibs-bin: /usr/bin/kde4-config
[02:24] <JontheEchidna> oh, kde-config?
[02:24] <JontheEchidna> kdelibs4c2a
[02:24] <bjsnider> kde4-config is fine
[02:25] <JontheEchidna> ok :)
[02:26] <bjsnider> merci
[02:29] <JontheEchidna> you're welcome
[02:29]  * JontheEchidna is not good at french
[02:34] <bjsnider> is anybody working on a build of the kde4 port of kaffeine?
[02:34] <JontheEchidna> I think tonio has svn packages in his ppa
[02:34] <bjsnider> which one is that?
[02:36]  * JontheEchidna tries to find it
[02:36] <bjsnider> found it
[02:37] <JontheEchidna> yeah, firefox is being all slow since I'm compiling kdeplasma-addons :/
[02:37] <JontheEchidna> I really need to get a better computer
[02:38] <bjsnider> what rig do you have now?
[02:38] <JontheEchidna> ~5 or 6 year old 2.5 GHZ Compaq with 640 MB RAM
[02:39] <JontheEchidna> nVidia Geforce 4 MX 440
[02:39] <bjsnider> this mustbe why the build always failed for me. they're starting to use kde4 in the svn versions recetnly. i was getting qt related failures when i tried to build the recent svn versions
[02:39] <bjsnider> must be looking for qt4 instead of qt3
[02:40] <maco> guys, have any of you noticed that printing from okular doesn't work?
[02:40] <maco> (yes, i can print a testpage)
[02:40] <JontheEchidna> I can do everything except print multiple copies of things
[02:40] <maco> ooo is that the problem?
[02:41] <maco> i just told it to print only one and it's not doing anything
[02:41] <JontheEchidna> huh, that should work
[02:42] <maco> lpr: Bad job-sheets value ""!
[02:42] <maco> so i guess "print all pages" doesn't work?
[02:42]  * JontheEchidna isn't a fan of the Qt printing setup
[02:43] <maco> eh i'm installing evince now
[02:43] <maco> trusty ol' evince
[02:43] <maco> i wonder if it has something to do with networked printer v. directly-attached printer?
[02:46] <maco> JontheEchidna: do you use a local or network printer?
[02:46] <JontheEchidna> local, one of those old wide printer ports
[02:47] <maco> so uh...you only use desktops then i guess?
[02:48] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I don't have a laptop
[02:53] <bjsnider> Tonio_, ping
[03:19] <claydoh> If I were smarter (or stupid) I'd say install our own qa tracker the qa site code is in launchpad
[04:29] <astromme> Nightrose: Since I'm still playing with ideas.... http://blog.chatonka.com/RTMPlasmoid-8.png what do you think? Better? Worse?
[10:56]  * eagles0513875 waves to Nightrose
[10:56]  * daskreech sines up Nightrose
[10:57]  * eagles0513875 O_o
[11:05] <Riddell> success on kde bug 190913 !
[11:06] <eagles0513875> morning
[11:06] <eagles0513875> ill continue filing bugs upstream when i get back form lunch
[11:09] <eagles0513875> Riddell: question. since kvirc 4.0 on jaunty is still in the kvirc svn trunk if i package it can it be push out as an update to kvirc that is in the repos
[11:09] <Riddell> it could go in backports
[11:10] <eagles0513875> can you clarify what backports repo is
[11:22] <Riddell> backports is new versions of applications
[11:42] <apachelogger> OH MY GOD
[11:42] <apachelogger> digikam got a first start wizard
[11:42] <apachelogger> nah, that is too much
[11:42] <apachelogger> digikam is not going into any default setup unless the atitude gets rethinked
[11:43] <Lure_> apachelogger: ;-)
[11:43] <apachelogger> seriously
[11:43] <Lure_> apachelogger: I know
[11:44] <Riddell> tsk
[11:44] <apachelogger> as if it was not bad enough that the interface is pretty much unsable to people like me who haven't used photo apps more than twice a year, now one can't even directly dive into not-using it but first have to cope with the wizard
[11:44] <Lure_> apachelogger: that is why you have gwenview
[11:45] <apachelogger> gwenview does not cut the cheese
[11:45]  * Lure_ also hates first time wizards, particularly for obvious questions
[11:45] <apachelogger> so either there needs to be a 3rd photo managing app that is somewhere between gwenview and digikam or digikam rethinks it's defaults and overall design
[11:46] <Lure> apachelogger: you have to agree that usability is improving (partucalry with 0.10 that has moved edit controls into main window)
[11:46] <apachelogger> personally I'd like see the latter because digikam is a kick-ass app and can actually help people to experience their photo collection in a completely different way
[11:47] <apachelogger> Lure: last time I used digikam was in 0.7 I think
[11:47] <apachelogger> the UI was less cluttered then
[11:47] <Lure> apachelogger: try kde4 version, it is better, but still not there
[11:47] <apachelogger> the sidebar icons annoy me most of all
[11:47] <apachelogger> Lure: I did
[11:47] <Lure> apachelogger: gilles is adding features faster than improving usability... ;-)
[11:47] <apachelogger> that is the problem
[11:48] <Lure> apachelogger: agreed, but that is programmers view of where effort should be spent
[11:48] <apachelogger> yeah
[11:48] <apachelogger> I asked seele to do a review once she gets a chance
[11:49] <Lure> apachelogger: I recall that she already did something couple of years ago (or did she just planned to do it?), but do not recall any progress on that
[11:49] <apachelogger> she did
[11:49] <apachelogger> or so she said :D
[11:53] <apachelogger> ha
[11:54] <apachelogger> the wizard is saying that the "minimal setup is done"
[11:54] <apachelogger> after asking me questions like if I want raw import or not or if I want thumbs or not ...
[11:54] <apachelogger> that tells alot about the expected target audience though :D
[12:03] <apachelogger> huh
[12:03] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ping
[12:43] <JontheEchidna> hrmnnnn
[12:43] <JontheEchidna> is it reasonable to expect ksmserver to crash if X crashes?
[12:44] <JontheEchidna> I had a feeling that all of those bug 332811's that were being reported were related to X crashes, but bug 370304 confirms that
[12:45] <Nightrose> apachelogger: pong
[12:45] <JontheEchidna> man, LP is being absolutely horrible this morning
[12:51] <JontheEchidna> whoa, neat: http://www.dennogumi.org/2009/05/new-refactored-system-settings
[13:20] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: would you llike me to go see what the issue is with lp
[13:21] <JontheEchidna> not particularly
[13:22] <JontheEchidna> I switched to edge and things seem a bit better
[13:22] <eagles0513875> ok horrible in waht sense if you dont mind me asking cuz i was bout to get on there and try upstream a few more bugs
[13:22] <JontheEchidna> slow, timing out all the time
[13:22] <JontheEchidna> I spent 5 minutes trying to mark one bug as a duplicate of another
[13:22] <eagles0513875> humm
[13:22] <JontheEchidna> throwing error messages too
[13:23] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: seems to be fine after i got message with the irc info and what not
[13:23] <Mamarok> folks, could we switch the default font from dejaVu to Liberation? It's sooo much better!!!
[13:24] <Mamarok> I can read my Konsole again wihout having to zoom
[13:24] <Mamarok> thx Nuno :)
[13:34] <JontheEchidna> vorian: out of curiosity, what was the rationale for dropping the symbols files in strigi?
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> If that delta is resolved we can sync
[13:36] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: We need some pkg-kde-tools magic we don't have yet.
[13:36] <ScottK> The magic needs a newer dpkg than we have atm.
[13:45] <vorian> JontheEchidna: what ScottK said
[13:47] <eagles0513875> what is the success rate of the upgrade process from one release to the latest release
[13:50] <JontheEchidna> Maybe it would be better to put in the symbol files, but don't enable them in debian/rules? That'd make the diff a whole lot smaller
[13:51] <JontheEchidna> we could even put a note in debian/rules explaining the delta
[13:53] <ScottK> Maybe.  IIRC if they are there there's some CDBS magic that grabs hold of them.
[13:54] <JontheEchidna> I put a generic "what's new in cdbs" point on the meeting agenda. Riddell merged pkg-kde-tools a few days I figure it'd be good to discuss
[13:54] <JontheEchidna> *so I figure
[13:56] <ScottK> I also put something about it on the list for UDS.
[13:58] <JontheEchidna> What I got from scanning debian/changelog was that jr took our Rosetta magic from kde4.mk in cdbs and put it in the relevant pkg-kde-tools scripts, then synced everything else
[14:00] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I guess in this case insufficiently advanced technology that barely works is indistinguishable from magic? :P (rosetta, our translation stuff in general)
[14:01] <ScottK> I think magic is not the thing that Rosetta is indistinguishable from.
[15:27] <JontheEchidna> http://trueg.wordpress.com/2009/05/01/redland-109-breaks-nepomuk/
[15:28] <JontheEchidna> I guess we don't want to merge redland then
[15:28] <ScottK> To the extent nepomuk actually works, no.
[15:33] <JontheEchidna> oh, they fixed it: http://bugs.librdf.org/mantis/view.php?id=302
[15:33] <JontheEchidna> debian has the patch too
[15:33] <Riddell> clever debian :)
[15:35] <JontheEchidna> oh, and it will autosync too, nice
[15:37] <eagles0513875> any bugs for upstream let me know
[15:57] <ikonia> eagles0513875: if there is a bug that needs to go upstream, what do you do ?
[15:59] <eagles0513875> go to  bugs.kde.org and file it there
[16:00] <eagles0513875> i have already filed a number of bugs and gotten responses on some already ikonia
[16:03] <ikonia> eagles0513875: so basiclly an ubuntu bug - you re-log on kde's bug tracker  or the individual application tracker ?
[16:04] <eagles0513875> ikonia: no i only do kde bugs
[16:04] <eagles0513875> thats why im in here
[16:04] <eagles0513875> if its ubuntu then that goes on the gnome bug list
[16:04] <ikonia> so you re-log kde launchpad bugs on bugzilla kde ?
[16:04] <eagles0513875> yes thats what i was told to do
[16:05] <eagles0513875> and i link back to the lp filed bug
[16:06] <ikonia> ok, so when you talk about you are fixing bugs that's what you're talking about, re-logging them on the maintainers bug traack
[16:06] <ikonia> ok, now I see what you're talking about, that makes more sense
[16:06] <eagles0513875> for now yes untill i can find time to learn some programming its a start
[16:06] <Gon> anyone has installed Adobe Air on a fresh jaunty installation?
[16:07] <Gon> I can't, the installer can't find kwallet O_o
[16:07] <ikonia> eagles0513875: thank you, that makes total sense now
[16:07] <eagles0513875> ikonia: no problem got my mind in a million different directions right now
[16:08] <eagles0513875> it wont return to one till after 19th may
[16:08] <Riddell> hum, not sure what to think about this http://www.dennogumi.org/2009/05/new-refactored-system-settings
[16:09] <Riddell> actually, yes I do, apps should work out the best UI and stick with it, offering to change  the whole UI as a config option causes problems for support apart from anything else
[16:09] <Riddell> seele: what think thee?
[16:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: mm, we have a different docs path to debian don't we?
[16:14] <apachelogger> think so, they only wanted to change it once kdebase3 is gone IIRC
[16:14] <Riddell> that means a lot of packages won't be synable
[16:14] <Riddell> maybe we should add a symlink
[16:15] <Riddell> /usr/share/doc/kde4/ -> /usr/share/doc/kde
[16:20] <maco> nixternal: wow dude, that 65% translated deal....dang
[16:21] <maco> nixternal: know what happens? it tries to use the top language for anything it has. what it doesn't have, it goes to the second language. if neither have the string, it goes to english. so my apps are 65% spanish, 30% japanese, and 5% English
[16:21] <eagles0513875> nice maco
[16:22] <maco> to the point that dialogs have buttons for "Sí" and "いいえ”
[16:22] <eagles0513875> interesting combo seems like your trying to invent a new language remix
[16:22] <Riddell> maco: what is missing strings?
[16:23] <maco> kontact
[16:23] <maco> kmail's what i'm in the most
[16:24] <maco> i no longer have the fluency in either spanish or japanese to fix most of it though
[16:24] <a|wen_> maco: you just gave me the laugh of the day
[16:24] <nixternal> maco: the 65% was documentation translations only
[16:24] <maco> (which is why i'm using those languages...hopefully it's a little bit of immersion)
[16:24] <maco> nixternal: oh.
[16:24]  * nixternal heads to jcastro's neck of the woods....see ya later...long road trip
[16:24] <eagles0513875> enjoy nixternal
[16:24] <maco> penguicon?
[16:25] <maco> Riddell: at least, i'm guessing that it's a fallback sequence since i see mostly spanish. it's possible that the thing just goes bonkers when you have >1 language in the list
[16:28] <maco> also, i think there's some environment variable not being set because the gtk apps i use don't get translated. but well...qt and gtk interacting with each other poorly isn't a surprise. just seems that setting the lang ought to set it for everything, not just native apps
[16:28] <maco> i'm starting to think i'm the definition of a corner case :(
[16:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: if it works ... besides all KDE 4 apps use cdbs anyway, don't they?
[16:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: aye but their .install files would be different if they're split up
[16:32] <apachelogger> true
[16:34] <a|wen_> but how should that symlink work then; who should provide it? ... and does dpkg like that :/
[16:34] <Riddell> a|wen_: I put it in kdelibs5-data
[16:34] <Riddell> dpkg is fine and happy, there's nothing else in the way
[16:35] <a|wen_> so on upgrade everything is moved from kde4 to kde and the symlink is created?
[16:35] <Riddell> it's already moved in jaunty
[16:35] <Riddell> this isn't new
[16:36] <Riddell> just has to be done again in the merge
[16:36] <daskreech> There seems to be a lot of interest in a Netbook remix for Kubuntu in Koala
[16:36] <Riddell> daskreech: from whom?
[16:37]  * a|wen_ wonders why he doesn't have that symlink
[16:38] <Riddell> the symlink wasn't there before
[16:38] <Riddell> that's the new bit
[16:38] <daskreech> microblogs blogs and IRC
[16:38] <Riddell> which means we can sync stuff from debian without worrying
[16:38] <Riddell> daskreech: question is what to put in it that would be different
[16:38] <daskreech> Is there a Ubuntu Netbook Remix Team?
[16:39] <daskreech> Maybe just a package for default configs
[16:39] <Riddell> daskreech: there's been talk of plasma profiles for netbooks but I havn't seen anything concrete
[16:39] <Riddell> daskreech: there's several ubuntu mobile teams, one of them makes the netbook remix
[16:39] <daskreech> Ah ok
[16:40] <a|wen_> Riddell: but then that would mean, that my current content of kde4 should be moved to kde on the kdelibs5-data upgrade ... just didn't know that dpkg could do that; but well, you get amazed again and again
[16:40] <eagles0513875> koffic i think needs to be looked at for karmic when i try to install it it complains about not having kformula as a dependency but now for some reason it seems to be working
[16:40] <daskreech> KOffice isn't ready
[16:41] <daskreech> The Koffice team wouldn't be happy
[16:42] <a|wen_> daskreech: aren't they at RC currently ... that should mean that a final is on the way
[16:42] <eagles0513875> well now for some reason its pulling it from svn i dunno why
[16:42] <daskreech> 2.0 == KDE 4.0
[16:42] <eagles0513875> koffice 1.6.3
[16:51] <Riddell> a|wen: in jaunty kdelibs5-data has its docs in /usr/share/doc/kde/
[16:52] <a|wen> it's only the packages that we are syncing from debian that is located in kde4
[16:52] <Riddell> yes
[16:55] <a|wen> and when kdelibs5-data ships that symlink ... then all the files installed in my kde4 dir will automagical get moved by dpkg
[17:00] <tsimpson> Launchpad Translations session in -classroom, I wonder if apachelogger has any questions ;)
[17:07] <apachelogger> nope
[17:07] <apachelogger> only complaints
[17:07] <eagles0513875> lol
[17:08] <daskreech> apachelogger: preface with RANT: in #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[17:29] <apachelogger> daskreech: what where when what?
[17:29] <daskreech> apachelogger: instead of prefacing it with QUESTION:
[17:30] <maco> Riddell: oh uh,quassel's mostly english too actually. menu titles are spanish but their contents are english
[17:30] <apachelogger> can't follow
[17:30] <MatratzenMatze> hey guys, im just curious why the build of quassel is a debug build, 52MB is quiet hiuge for a IRC client
[17:30] <apachelogger> maco: that is due to incomplete translation though
[17:31] <apachelogger> maco: luckily quassel doesn't have .mo files that pkgbinarymangler can feed upon
[17:31] <MatratzenMatze> here, quassel looks completely translated (german)
[17:31] <apachelogger> !info quassel
[17:31] <maco> apachelogger: yeah i was saying before that it seemed there were a bunch of incomplete translations and that it falls back through the other languages so that KMail pops up yes/no dialogs that say "Sí" and "いいえ"
[17:32] <maco> because i have 1. spanish 2. japanese 3. english in my settings
[17:32] <apachelogger> MatratzenMatze: possibly it includes icons
[17:32] <apachelogger> might as well not
[17:32] <MatratzenMatze> apachelogger: the executable is 52MB ... after strip its just 2 MB
[17:32] <apachelogger> maco: that is intent behaviour
[17:33] <apachelogger> well, the not-translated state obviously not, but the falling back is :D
[17:34] <apachelogger> MatratzenMatze: well, report a bug and poke ScottK
[17:35] <MatratzenMatze> apachelogger: thnx, but this is not that important IMHO, I was just curious...that 52MB term was the reason to finally try out quassel so it have a good side ^^
[17:35] <apachelogger> well
[17:36] <apachelogger> it is important
[17:36] <apachelogger> since quassel is currently part of the cd seed it is wasting a lot of space
[17:36] <apachelogger> apparently we forgot to remove the debugfull setting from the testing packages
[17:36] <apachelogger> or we could just create -dbg for that matter I suppose
[17:36] <MatratzenMatze> okay, then i file a bug, good that i have a launchpad account^^
[17:37] <apachelogger> ScottK: there is also a typo in the description
[17:37] <maco> apachelogger: ah ok. the regional settings thing doesn't make it quite clear....though actually, looking at it, i have english *above* japanese so how am i getting any japanese at all?
[17:37] <apachelogger>  This is a modern, cross-platform, distributed KDE4/QT4 IRC client. One
[17:37] <apachelogger> note the QT
[17:38] <apachelogger> maco: depends on the kind of english
[17:38] <apachelogger> if it is en_US something ought to be broken
[17:38] <maco> it's en_US
[17:38] <apachelogger> that is funky then
[17:38] <maco> oh. oh gosh. not this again.
[17:38] <maco> crud!
[17:39] <apachelogger> as a matter of fact, thinking about it ... JontheEchidna actually did test the spanish l10n before release and it seemed fine then
[17:39] <apachelogger> so I am wondering how you get untranslated strings now
[17:39] <maco> i forgot, when you hit apply on language changing, it just repeatedly fills a progress bar forever
[17:39] <apachelogger> not forever
[17:39] <apachelogger> it just does various runs
[17:39] <Riddell> maco: I installed spanish and japanese language packs and set kde to use spanish > japanese > C
[17:39] <Riddell> and kmail seems entirely spamnish
[17:39] <Riddell> spanish
[17:39] <Riddell> no spam fortunately :)
[17:39] <apachelogger> spamish
[17:41] <maco> when you go to Preferencias -> Configurar KMail...
[17:41] <maco> you don't see "Accounts" in English?
[17:41] <maco> and if you click "Composer" the first tab in its section isn't in japanese?
[17:41] <maco> (tab title, i mean)
[17:42] <daskreech> I thought Spam was an english thing
[17:42] <MatratzenMatze> bug reported, yaay
[17:42] <daskreech> written in Python
[17:44] <maco> Riddell: er that was @ you
[17:44] <apachelogger> hm, I always knew that bugs get caused by python
[17:45] <maco> also the 2nd tab in the Misc part of KMail settings
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> lulz:
 aseigo * r972171 applets/trunk/KDE/kdeplasma-addons/ (850 files in 88 dirs): rewrite plasma in qbasic
[17:45] <Riddell> maco: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kmail.png
[17:46] <daskreech> ha ha
[17:46] <MatratzenMatze> lol
[17:46] <Riddell> maco: pastebin   apt-cache policy language-pack-kde-es-base language-pack-kde-es language-pack-es-base language-pack-es language-pack-kde-ja-base language-pack-kde-ja language-pack-ja-base language-pack-ja
[17:47] <Riddell> maco: hmm, there are tabs in Editor and Varios which are in Japanese
[17:48] <maco> http://pastebin.ca/1409552
[17:48]  * MatratzenMatze loves that URL preview feature of quassel
[17:48] <daskreech> MatratzenMatze: Yup
[17:49] <maco> i did come across one settings dialog somewhere entirely in english. maybe that was quassel though
[17:51] <maco> also, "Miscellaneous" is translated differently in KMail v. Quassel. this should be sorta standardized shouldn't it?
[17:51] <Riddell> I actually don't know how quassel translations are done
[17:52] <MatratzenMatze> didnt it uses Qt4's translation system ?
[17:53] <Riddell> maybe
[17:54] <MatratzenMatze> the quassel package didnt includes any language files, maybe there are inside those langage-packs
[17:54] <MatratzenMatze> ah no
[17:55] <MatratzenMatze> quassel-data, there are there .qm files...qt4's language files
[17:55] <MatratzenMatze> -there +these ... sry for my bad english and stupid typos
[17:56] <maco> so uh, at UDS there should be a lot of people all over the place that can be recruited to fix up some spanish translations right? being in spain and all?
[17:57] <maco> (may require cervezas though...)
[17:58] <MatratzenMatze> I dont see any quassel_sp.qm file inside quassel-data, so there seems to be no translation for it ... you could easy do that yourself
[17:58] <dpm> maco: wine would do as well
[18:00] <maco> MatratzenMatze: i haven't studied spanish in 6 years. i'm hoping that using my desktop in spanish will remind me a few words for in case i need to try to use spanish while over there for UDS
[18:00] <maco> freakishly, i can remember more "question words" than i can in japanese...which i only stopped 2 years ago...dang
[18:01] <maco> but my skills suck too much for me to translate these myself :(
[18:01] <MatratzenMatze> ^^ looks like you know lotsa languages
[18:01] <eagles0513875> i need to brush up on my spanish i can help with spanish translations granted im from texas
[18:01] <maco> just none fluently enough
[18:02] <maco> MatratzenMatze: back when i was still studying japanese id do some translations, but i've lost it
[18:02] <eagles0513875> yo necesito practicar mi espanol lol
[18:03] <MatratzenMatze> maco: maybe its enough to do an initial translation ? most things are just single words
[18:03] <maco> eagles0513875: i dont think you need a "mi" in there
[18:03] <eagles0513875> mi = my doesnt it
[18:03] <MatratzenMatze> japanese is an interesing language,i like looking animes with original sound and subtitles ^^
[18:03]  * eagles0513875 dinner time away
[18:04] <maco> eagles0513875: yeah, but "my spanish" is rather ...odd
[18:04] <maco> interestingly, Quassel has "Configurar... Configurar... Configure" in one of its menus
[18:47] <a|wen> Riddell: i'm trying to verify bug 368538 ... is one translated button good enough for you?
[18:52] <Riddell> a|wen: yes
[18:53] <Riddell> a|wen: it's in playground so there aren't many translations anyway
[18:54] <a|wen> Riddell: thought so ... i'll make a positive comment
[19:10] <Gon> kubuntu has a GUI to manage system services?
[19:11] <a|wen> Gon: you mean the ones in /etc/init.d ?
[19:12] <Gon> yes
[19:12] <Gon> :B
[19:13] <a|wen> Gon: sysv-rc-conf has an ncurses "gui"; i think that is the closest you get currently
[19:13] <Gon> m!
[19:14] <Gon> thx
[19:23]  * Gon is away: almuerzo
[19:31] <eagles0513875> can someone explain why when i try to install koffice i get this error  koffice: Depends: kformula (>= 1:1.6.3-7ubuntu6) but it is not going to be installed
[19:32] <eagles0513875> whats worse if i install kformula it wants to remove kde
[19:35] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: ping
[19:37] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: bug 301698 upstream  said cannot be reporduced in qt 4.5.0 and the current trunk r961909
[19:44]  * Gon is back.
[20:24] <apachelogger> Quintasan: ping
[20:35]  * a|wen has rotating cubes and kde 4.2 goodness on his eee now :)
[20:35] <apachelogger> a|wen: it would be better if you had minion goodness
[20:36] <a|wen> hehe ... that is still work in progress :P
[20:38] <eagles0513875> minion to do what
[20:39] <eagles0513875> i guess im the channel upstream minion and testing minion
[20:54] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: packaging minion this time
[20:55] <eagles0513875> well im still trying to figure out how to package kvirc at least an update 4.0 version which is still in trunk
[20:55] <eagles0513875> and yay to packaging :)
[20:57] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: question would pbuilder be good enough to package somethign after i install the svn
[20:58] <apachelogger> I suppose
[20:58] <eagles0513875> ok will try package a newer snapshot of kvirc tomorrow
[20:58] <eagles0513875> what package needs to be packaged
[20:59] <apachelogger> fotowall
[20:59] <apachelogger> way beyond your skills though
[20:59] <eagles0513875> is there a packaging bug that i could assign myself to
[20:59] <apachelogger> quite tricky since it includes 3rd party components that should be removed to begin with
[20:59] <eagles0513875> humm not sure if i might be the right person then since i have never packaged antyhgin before
[21:00] <eagles0513875> koffice has me really upset
[21:03] <neversfelde> apachelogger: are you working on fotowall?
[21:04] <eagles0513875> lol neversfelde he was gonna give it to me to package but i have never packaged anything before im gonna ry package an updated snapshot of kvirc
[21:10] <a|wen> that app looks amazingly cool
[21:11] <eagles0513875> well apache mentioned somethign about removing 3rd party stuff before packaging it hink it would be best if someone who knows how to package till i figure out how to package and ill be doing that tomorrow with a new snapshot compilationa installation and packaging of kvirc 4.0 snapshot
[21:12] <neversfelde> I started to work at it, but not sure, if my skills are enough. We will see
[21:12] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: seems like neversfelde is working on packaging fotowall
[21:13] <seele> Riddell: considering i helped him with his changes a bit, i say yay
[21:13] <a|wen> neversfelde: cool ... if you need a hand just let me know; I would love to see that one in karmic
[21:14] <neversfelde> a|wen: thanks
[21:14] <eagles0513875> a|wen: mind if i ask ya if i have issues with packaging updated snapshot of kvirc 4.0 from trunk
[21:15] <a|wen> i thought there already was a kvirc svn snapshot out there
[21:15] <eagles0513875> its in jaunty
[21:15] <eagles0513875> w4.0 is still beta was just putting together a more updated version of it
[21:17] <a|wen> with some luck not much needs to be changes
[21:17] <Riddell> seele: you think the app should have two different UI layouts?
[21:18] <seele> Riddell: i think we need a completely new app, but this is something that has been an outstanding feature request since 4.0
[21:26] <Riddell> mumble mumble
[21:27] <eagles0513875> Riddell: whats wrong
[21:27] <seele> hum?
[21:27]  * seele pokes Riddell in the eye
[21:28]  * eagles0513875 smacks seele thats no way to treat teh person who helps to make kubuntu so great
[21:28] <seele> ow :P
[21:28] <Riddell> yeah seele, nyah!
[21:28] <seele> Riddell: *thppt*
[21:28] <eagles0513875> no one treats our fearless ubuntu historian and leader that way lol
[21:29] <eagles0513875> i might be just a minion but ill stand up for our leader
[21:29] <eagles0513875> :p
[21:29] <seele> fine, i'll just take my attentions elsewhere
[21:29] <eagles0513875> lol
[21:29] <eagles0513875> seele: j/k bro lol
[21:29] <Riddell> nay, come back!
[21:29] <seele> lol bro?
[21:30] <eagles0513875> O_O chica is that better
[21:30] <seele> Riddell: mumble mumble
[21:30] <eagles0513875> seele: whats wrong
[21:33] <Riddell> and who made me leader?  I've always said seele was the leader
[21:35] <eagles0513875> i said you were leader rickspencer3
[21:35] <eagles0513875> miss type Riddell you the leader
[21:35] <rickspencer3> I'm the leader
[21:35]  * eagles0513875 makes note to slef typing lying down isnt good choice lol
[21:35] <eagles0513875> lol
[21:37] <seele> Riddell: me leader? lots of people probably wouldnt like that
[21:38] <eagles0513875> Riddell: your the kubuntu almighty
[21:41] <a|wen> seele: female leaders is the new black ;)
[21:41] <seele> a|wen: i dont want it because it's trendy
[21:42] <eagles0513875> seele: = female
[21:42] <eagles0513875> im confused
[21:43] <seele> what is there to be confused about?
[21:43] <eagles0513875> nice to see a chica about the dev scene
[21:43] <Riddell> ahem
[21:44]  * eagles0513875 zips me lips
[21:44] <seele> i've only been around for a long while now
[21:45]  * eagles0513875 just getting into dev scene
[21:45] <seele> so it's nice to see new clueless boys joining open source projects :P
[21:45] <eagles0513875> seel i been on linux for bout 9 yrs
[21:46] <seele> congratulations
[21:47] <eagles0513875> see yall in am im bout to pass out on the couch here
[21:48] <eagles0513875> is there a newer version of the uck tool floating around a ppa somewhere
[21:57] <shtylman> well...im officially done with college :)
[21:57] <seele> shtylman: grats
[21:57] <seele> shtylman: got a job? hehe
[21:57] <a|wen> shtylman: congratulations
[21:58] <shtylman> seele: thx... and indeed I do :)
[21:58] <shtylman> moving up to nyc to start work there
[22:01] <neversfelde> shtylman: congratulations
[22:06] <seele> does till kampeter work for canonical now? i thought he was working on openprinting through the linux foundation
[22:08] <Riddell> seele: he's worked for canonical for a couple of years part time, and linux foundation the other part
[22:08] <Riddell> seele: well done
[22:08] <neversfelde> So I guess GPL and LGPL is ok for ubuntu packages, but files released under some strange private private terms should be removed?
[22:08] <seele> Riddell: i've done what?
[22:09] <Riddell> umm, tab completion fail
[22:09] <Riddell> shtylman: well done
[22:09] <Riddell> neversfelde: if it can be distributed it can go in multiverse
[22:09] <seele> tab completion seem to be a problem for lots of people today
[22:10] <shtylman> Riddell: thx...also...added some thoughts to the KubuntuKarmicSpecs page regarding installation
[22:10] <Riddell> but congratulations to seele too for being a lovely person
[22:10] <neversfelde> huh, I will never touch software containing a folder named "3rdparty" again :)
[22:10] <shtylman> (but apparently the page will send you an email saying its been changed ... so nevermind :)
[22:11] <Riddell> e-mail?  unreliable communication medium
[22:11] <shtylman> hahaha
[22:11] <shtylman> damn...my whole life has been a lie :(
[22:24] <udoeverything> hello everyone! Is there any work drunk people can help with? I am still capabable to test ISOs or something ;)
[22:25] <seele> Riddell: aw shucks
[22:27] <neversfelde> are PPAs karmic ready?
[22:28] <a|wen> i'm pretty sure they are (haven't tested it yet though)
[22:29] <Riddell> udoeverything: tested the new network manager plasmoid?
[22:30] <udoeverything> Riddell: I'm  running Kubuntu Jaunty atm and my lan is working fine. Where is that plasmoid? Just the on that shipped? Or from a PPA?
[22:33] <udoeverything> Riddell: I can test it. Shall I try anything special?
[22:33] <udoeverything> Riddell: But I have to WLAN and no VPN .. so I might not be the best tester ;)
[22:33] <udoeverything> *have no
[22:34] <Riddell> all welcome
[22:34] <Riddell> it's in the ~kubuntu-experimental PPA
[22:35] <udoeverything> Riddell: OK, installing now :)
[22:35] <neversfelde> mhh, no karmic for ppas.
[22:37] <neversfelde> a|wen: I will push a jaunty version of my fotowall package to my ppa. It builds and lintian is not complaining, but it contains several files with a strange license (I mentioned that in copyright). I am not sure what to do next, so help would be appreciated :)
[22:38] <neversfelde> ppas seem to be down or builders are very busy, so it will take some time to upload
[22:40] <neversfelde> ah karmic is also accepted now
[22:41] <a|wen> neversfelde: okay ... i'll take a look at it sometime tomorrow
[22:41] <neversfelde> thanks
[22:43] <a|wen> neversfelde: ~neversfelde on LP?
[22:43] <neversfelde> a|wen: yes
[22:43] <a|wen> too easy :)
[22:44] <neversfelde> hehe
[22:48] <udoeverything> Riddell: OK, I installed it and I tried a few options and it always crashed Plasma once I go to "Configure Networkmanagement ctrl+S" (my lame translation from my german version) and then when I click "OK"
[22:49] <udoeverything> Riddell: Plama crashes, but it comes back fine
[22:50] <a|wen> udoeverything: there is a -dbg package as well for getting a backtrace
[22:52] <a|wen> udoeverything: and compare it with the backtrace here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2009-April/002829.html ... if it is the same it is already fixed (just need to update the snapshot again)
[22:52] <udoeverything> a|wen: kdenetwork-dbg?
[22:53] <a|wen> udoeverything: plasma-widget-network-manager-dbg
[22:53] <udoeverything> ok, thanks
[22:57] <udoeverything> a|wen: OK, I installed the dpg packages, but now it stopped doing the crahes :(
[22:58] <udoeverything> a|wen: I had to install: kdebase-runtime-dbg{a} kdebase-workspace-dbg{a}
[22:58] <udoeverything>   plasma-widget-network-manager-dbg
[22:58] <a|wen> udoeverything: well ... if they re-appear you have the -dbg now
[22:59] <udoeverything> a|wen: OK, but I wanted to help squash a bug before I go to bed ;)
[22:59] <a|wen> udoeverything: then you still have work to do ;)
 udoeverything: then you still have work to do ;)
[23:00] <udoeverything> I guess so :)
[23:00] <a|wen> oh well, i will go to bed now in any case
[23:00] <neversfelde> n8 a|wen
[23:01] <udoeverything> Gute Nacht a|wen
[23:01] <a|wen> thx / vielen dank
[23:04] <Riddell> fabo: did you look at qt and phonon?
[23:07] <udoeverything> when I enable compositing on my ATI x1300 with the open source driver my Kubuntu system freezes ( except the mouse ) .. is the Xorg team working on that?
[23:10] <shtylman> udoeverything: doubt it...in any case you might wanna provide some more info...
[23:10] <shtylman> logs...
[23:11] <udoeverything> shtylman: I have to hard reset when that happens .. what logs do you need?
[23:12] <shtylman> udoeverything: not me personally, just suggesting that you look at the logs, xorg...syslog...and see if you can detect symptoms or something to help with debugging it
[23:12] <shtylman> udoeverything: check the logs after a reset, they should rotate...hopefully...
[23:13] <udoeverything> shtylman: OK,   will enable now .. might be gone soon ;)
[23:56] <apachelogger> now
[23:56] <apachelogger> whom do I poke
[23:56] <apachelogger> neversfelde: wanna do a major bug fix + SRU?
[23:56] <apachelogger> possibly forward to debian as well
[23:58] <neversfelde> mhh
[23:58] <neversfelde> urgent?
[23:58] <neversfelde> emergency?
[23:58] <apachelogger> well, not that
[23:58] <apachelogger> but should be done within a week or so
[23:59] <apachelogger> hm.... I really wonder why lunchpad doesn't want to leave me my cookies
[23:59]  * neversfelde thinks at a popular 80s song everytime writig urgent :D
[23:59] <apachelogger> seems rather rude to take them away after it handed me them
[23:59] <apachelogger> neversfelde: -.-
[23:59] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I can't guarantee to do that, my exam :(
[23:59] <apachelogger> well, sec