[00:06] <mwhudson> BasicOSX: that looks fairly embarrassing
[00:07] <BasicOSX> ?
[00:07] <BasicOSX> The error or my reporting of it?
[00:07] <mwhudson> BasicOSX: the error
[00:07] <mwhudson> i don't know if any bugs people are around now though
[00:07] <BasicOSX> when I click on it, wants me to auth, so I don't know what the error code says :-)
[00:07] <mwhudson> BasicOSX: i'd recommend filing a bug on malone
[00:07] <mwhudson> BasicOSX: right
[00:08] <matsubara> mwhudson: BasicOSX filed already. I'm triaging it and will ask one of the Bugs guys to take a look tomorrwo
[00:08] <mwhudson> matsubara: oh ok
[00:08] <BasicOSX> I filed bug report for it in LP itself.
[00:09] <kiko> BasicOSX, I'm looking
[00:09] <BasicOSX> bug 370117
[00:09] <kiko> BasicOSX, oh, very interesting
[00:09] <kiko> BasicOSX, what's the product you're using?
[00:10] <kiko> it is assuming that the remote product is set to use sourceforge and has an ampersand in it
[00:10] <kiko> but the data seems wrong
[00:10] <BasicOSX> http://sourceforge.net/projects/netrek/ is the product? Never heard or seen the word product
[00:11] <kiko> BasicOSX, so it's launchpad.net/netrek?
[00:11] <BasicOSX> lp/mactrek
[00:12] <kiko> BasicOSX, is it meant to use SF or launchpad?
[00:12] <kiko> for bug filing I mean.
[00:12] <BasicOSX> Attempting to do MultiProjectBugs
[00:13] <kiko> BasicOSX, you can't do that for a single upstream
[00:13] <BasicOSX> mactrek is branch of SF project
[00:13] <BasicOSX> bug in mactrek may or may not be in SF project code base
[00:13] <kiko> BasicOSX, but do you want bugs on it to be reported there?
[00:14] <kiko> basically I think you want to do something we don't support today
[00:14] <kiko> I think you want to have one bug with a task against netrek in sourceforge and another against mactrek
[00:14] <BasicOSX> https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/MultiProjectBugs I wanna do that
[00:14] <kiko> BasicOSX, show me the bug you filed?
[00:15] <BasicOSX> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mactrek/+bug/370106
[00:16] <BasicOSX> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2139750&group_id=165507&atid=835696
[00:16] <kiko> BasicOSX, okay, and you want to link that to the bug in sourceforge?
[00:16] <BasicOSX> I would like to link 370106 to SF 2139750
[00:17] <kiko> you can't do that.
[00:17] <kiko> I realize why you want to do it
[00:17] <kiko> but you can't
[00:17] <kiko> BasicOSX, either a project uses sourceforge or it uses launchpad
[00:17] <kiko> it can't use both at once
[00:17] <kiko> multiproject bugs is for different projects
[00:17] <kiko> i.e.
[00:17] <BasicOSX> hmm, how is that any different then https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/MultiProjectBugs and the "Bugs in external trackers" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-thunderbird/+bug/24220
[00:17] <kiko> a bug which affects mactrek and, say, the compiler at the same time
[00:18] <kiko> BasicOSX, it has to be multiple projects. it can't be the same upstream twice
[00:18] <kiko> you can ask me why and I could explain but basically it is a limitation of the system
[00:18] <kiko> which I now think we should fix!
[00:19] <BasicOSX> Mozilla Thunderbird is different project then mozilla-thunderbird (Debian) ?
[00:19] <kiko> yes.
[00:19] <kiko> Mozilla Thunderbird is the upstream mozilla.org project
[00:19] <BasicOSX> I have mactrek (Display name OSXTreak) as 1 project and sourceforge-mactrek as another project, how is that different? :-)
[00:19] <kiko> mozilla-thunderbird (Debian) is the Debian package of it.
[00:20] <kiko> you have a sourceforge-mactrek?!
[00:20] <BasicOSX> yes
[00:20] <kiko> I see
[00:20] <kiko> okay I am not going to interfere :)
[00:20] <BasicOSX> sourceforge-mactrek's bug tracker is linked SF bug tracker
[00:20] <kiko> let me just fix the data up
[00:20] <kiko> yeah
[00:20] <kiko> I realize
[00:21] <BasicOSX> reading the MultiProjectBugs stuff I got that regardless of where the bug tracker lives, the project must be reg'd with launchpad
[00:22] <kiko> yeah, it's right
[00:22] <kiko> okay
[00:22] <kiko> so can you try doing the same thing you did before?
[00:22] <kiko> I think I fixed the data
[00:22] <BasicOSX> taking clue from mozilla project, I did sourceforge-mactrek, linked to SF bug tracker, maybe I misunderstand, like I previously stated, the multi-project/cross-project bug info is not very easy to understand and there is not documentation on how to set it up.
[00:23] <kiko> yeah, it's complicated and bad
[00:24] <kiko> but can you retry your operation?
[00:24] <BasicOSX> we are attempting to migrate to LP, but many think data and knowledge will be lost on a migration, so I'm attempting to pacify them
[00:24] <kiko> BasicOSX, understood
[00:25] <kiko> we can actually import bugs from SF
[00:25] <BasicOSX> mactrek is silly, think only 1 bug left open :-(
[00:25] <kiko> gotcha
[00:25] <kiko> okay then
[00:27] <BasicOSX> kiko:  did I set something up wrong that you had to "fix the data"?
[00:27] <kiko> yeah, the remote project data
[00:27] <kiko> but it is just completely crazy to expect you to know how to fill that out for sourceforge
[00:28] <BasicOSX> ahh the Remote project
[00:28] <BasicOSX> It's not just the ID it's the whole url?
[00:28] <kiko> I have no actual idea
[00:28] <kiko> the person who wrote that code is in trouble
[00:29] <BasicOSX> ok, looking at my sourceforge-mactrek, only thing I see changed is the "Remote Project"
[00:29] <BasicOSX> Anyways thank you and the netrek community thanks you
[00:30] <kiko> BasicOSX, you guys rock, I am so happy to have you with us
[00:33] <cody-somerville> I love netrek!
[01:01] <kirkland> does anyone know if this is per year?
[01:01] <kirkland> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=230
[01:05] <mwhudson> kirkland: yes
[01:05] <mwhudson> at least i think so
[01:05] <kirkland> mwhudson: it's ambiguous :-)
[01:05] <mwhudson> kirkland: can you pester someone to get that clarified?
[01:05] <mwhudson> :)
[01:05] <kirkland> mwhudson: heh
[01:05] <kirkland> okay
[01:06] <spm> kirkland: mwhudson: yes. :-) https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/208 - or. if not, it's wrong in multiple places :-D
[01:08] <rowinggolfer> I'm livid.
[01:08] <rowinggolfer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/370134
[01:09] <rowinggolfer> good night
[01:41] <wgrant> spm: A and a few others have been getting 502s from edge this morning.
[01:41] <wgrant> Occasionally.
[01:41] <spm> wgrant: oopsid?
[01:41] <wgrant> spm: Actually, not just edge it seems.
[01:41] <wgrant> spm: 502s don't OOPS.
[01:42] <spm> oh proxy error. right.
[01:43] <wgrant> Are all of the appservers happy?
[01:59] <spm> wgrant: yes and were. I have my firming suspicions...
[01:59] <wgrant> spm: What's it look like?
[02:09]  * BUGabundo reads topic
[02:09] <BUGabundo> nothing there
[02:09] <BUGabundo> LP down?
[02:10] <BUGabundo> "Please try again                    Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.         "
[02:10] <lifeless> spm: ^
[02:11] <BUGabundo> I talked to wgrant a bit ago
[02:11] <BUGabundo> because hggdh reported some OOPs on Production server/version
[02:22] <BUGabundo> so known bug?
[02:25] <spiv> BUGabundo: without more details it's impossible to sy
[02:25] <spiv> "say", rather
[02:26] <BUGabundo> ok
[02:26] <BUGabundo> I'll try to get a few oops
[02:28] <spiv> BUGabundo: even saying what page / what you were doing would be a start :)
[02:28] <spiv> Launchpad is a large app with many parts.
[02:28] <BUGabundo> sure
[02:28] <BUGabundo> https://launchpad.net/bugs/366678
[02:28] <BUGabundo> failed to redirect me to edge, and showed me that error
[02:29] <spiv> BUGabundo: FWIW, it redirected me, and I don't get an error.
[02:30] <BUGabundo> spiv: now it does for me too
[02:31] <Ursinha> works for me as well
[02:31] <BUGabundo> but I never got anything like that before
[02:34] <BUGabundo> hi hggdh
[02:34] <BUGabundo> can you describe what happened to you ?
[02:36] <hggdh> many times these last days I try to open a LP page and get a "sorry there was a problem with LP (etc) please wait a few minutes and try again (etc)". Last one was while I was trying to apport a kernel oops
[02:36] <mwhudson> hggdh: the OSAs are looking at this issue now
[02:39] <spm> *** Question for those having observed these issues: is it ONLY on edge? or originally on edge? I'm guessing no.. but. ???
[02:39] <BUGabundo> spm: hggdh doesn't use edge
[02:39] <georgethebandit> it wont work
[02:39] <hggdh> spm, I *do* not use edge
[02:39] <hggdh> sigh. I do *not*
[02:39] <BUGabundo> and for me it happened just before I got redirect to edje
[02:40] <spm> cool. that does help. ta.
[02:40] <Ursinha> edje is an enlightenment lib :P
[02:40] <BUGabundo> is what Ursinha?
[02:40] <hggdh> edje (as opposed to edge)
[02:40] <Ursinha> BUGabundo, what hggdh said
[02:41] <georgethebandit> i second that
[02:41]  * BUGabundo is lost
 and for me it happened just before I got redirect to ***edje***
[02:41] <hggdh> :-)
[02:43]  * BUGabundo is even loster now
[02:43] <Ursinha> thanks hggdh :)
[02:43] <Ursinha> omg
[02:43] <Ursinha> what's wrong with you man
[02:43] <Ursinha> :)
[02:43] <BUGabundo> sleep deprived?
[02:43] <Ursinha> edJe != edGe
[02:43] <BUGabundo> 3am here
[02:43] <BUGabundo> Ursinha: is was a clear typo
[02:44] <Ursinha> sure, and that was a clear joke
[02:44] <georgethebandit> i was lost
[02:44] <Ursinha> hggdh just followed me :)
[02:44] <Ursinha> georgethebandit, are you okay now? :)
[02:45] <georgethebandit> yes
[02:45] <georgethebandit> i think i get it
[02:45] <Ursinha> :)
[02:45] <BUGabundo> I almost never get sarcasm or some jokes....
[02:45] <hggdh> all hail pinot noir!
[02:45] <BUGabundo> and I'm even worse trying to do sarcams
[02:45] <hggdh> sorry BUGabundo
[02:45] <BUGabundo> so I just avoid it
[02:46] <Ursinha> BUGabundo, I made a note to add a </joke> tag when talking to you this late :P
[02:46] <BUGabundo> eheehh
[02:46] <BUGabundo> okay. that will help
[02:46]  * BUGabundo blond, sleepy guy smiles
[03:13] <zu22> hi can somneone help me with LP?
[03:13] <zu22> i want to join this project but i see no button or link for doing so: https://launchpad.net/mactrek
[03:14] <zu22> i am already logged in with LP account
[03:14] <lifeless> there may be a /team/ you can join
[03:14] <zu22> oh
[03:14] <zu22> how do i join that?
[03:14] <lifeless> well, if there is one, then on the team's home page there is a 'join this team' link
[03:14] <lifeless> that said, you don't need to be in a team to contribute to a project
[03:14] <lifeless> what is it you want to do with mactrek ?
[03:14] <zu22> i want to find bugs
[03:15] <zu22> and report them
[03:15] <lifeless> so, download the code, and report bugs  :)
[03:15] <zu22> ok :)
[03:15] <zu22> i never used objective C before so this may be weird
[03:15] <zu22> i am used to regular ANSI C :)
[03:15] <lifeless> https://code.launchpad.net/mactrek and https://bugs.launchpad.net/mactrek
[03:15] <zu22> lifeless: thanks
[03:15] <zu22> i need learn svn syntax
[03:16] <zu22> so i can get code with svn
[03:16] <zu22> i normally use darcs
[03:16] <lifeless> the code is in bzr
[03:17] <lifeless> not svn ;)
[03:17] <lifeless> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~tanner/mactrek/trunk
[03:17] <hggdh> just got the error message again "Please try again"
[03:29] <poolie> thumper/jml: interesting question in http://blog.launchpad.net/general/new-privacy-features-for-commercial-subscribers
[03:29]  * thumper looks
[03:30] <thumper> hmm
[03:31] <mwhudson> i think the answer should be "yes, but carefully"
[03:31] <jml> right.
[03:32] <jml> tbh, I don't understand the linked bug
[03:32] <mwhudson> i think it's basically a soyuz bug
[03:33] <mwhudson> but yeah, "embargoed" is pretty ambiguous
[03:34] <poolie> i posted to that effect
[03:34] <poolie> it's awaiting modification
[03:34] <poolie> iirc you can ask for the feature to be enabled and then it'll be turned on?
[03:35] <thumper> not necessarily
[03:38] <jml> poolie: what do you think is particularly interesting about the question?
[03:39] <poolie> it's not _super_ interesting, but 1- it went unanswered for a while; 2- he is (or was) a bit of a fudster but it's possible to give a reasonable answer; 3- it's something mark talked about last week
[03:41] <poolie> oh woo!
[03:41] <poolie> i love the new +filebug form with options to set state
[03:41] <poolie> anyhow i filed https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+bug/370170 as a handle
[04:37] <wgrant> That bug looks to me like it's just requesting a normal Zope security policy...
[05:44] <tansell> how big can your ppa achieve be?
[05:49] <spm> tansell: within reason. :-) We'll increase as needs be, if you ask for more via Answers.
[05:50] <tansell> spm, is there a default limit? I seem to remeber seeing something about 1g but can't find it now
[05:50] <spm> yes 1Gb is the default
[05:50]  * tansell goes to request more
[05:51] <spm> heh
[05:51] <spm> tansell: give me the answer link in < 5 mins and I'll increase here'n'now :-)
[05:52] <tansell> which project should the question be under? Launchpad or ubuntu?
[05:52] <spm> launchpad
[05:53] <spm> turutosiya: please don't do that
[05:53] <turutosiya> sorry
[05:53] <turutosiya> misoperated
[05:56] <tansell> spm, https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/69460
[05:57] <spm> tansell: have increased to 2. see how you go with that; we can always increase more.
[05:59] <tansell> spm, okay - but I have yet to get to building python-ogre itself :(
[07:54] <anyr> Please, hel me. I just install jaunty and can't change screen resolution from 720x350 to any other (video radeon x600).
[07:59] <al-maisan> anyr: I am afraid you are in the wrong room here, try #ubuntu
[07:59] <anyr> sorry
[07:59] <al-maisan> no problem :)
[10:01] <SiDi> Hello people
[10:01] <muteW> Hi, just a quick question.
[10:02] <SiDi> When there's a LP question talking about something illegal (ie in this case "hi i downloaded program X and i wanna run it"), should we only reject the question or should it be completely deleted ?
[10:02] <muteW> I am running Ubuntu 9.04 on an old Acer laptop and have been having these frequent lockups where the entire system freezes.
[10:02] <muteW> The only way out is to either reboot or use the Magic SysRq key to do a clean reboot..
[10:02] <bigkevmcd> muteW: try #ubuntu
[10:03] <Spads> muteW: apropos of this channel, run ubuntu-bug from a terminal
[10:03] <rowinggolfer> mrevell :) thanks!
[10:03] <muteW> ok
[10:06] <Vantrax> any launchpad administrators here?
[10:14] <matt2> Launchpad been dodge for a week?
[10:15] <matt2> *day
[10:16] <Vantrax> a little bit
[10:17]  * matt2 is excited because he created a branch of some code
[10:17] <matt2> could get my scout badge for contributing to free software
[10:19] <SiDi> matt2: :)
[10:20] <wgrant> What's dodgy about it?
[10:20] <matt2> just unreliable, getting "launchpad is busy" errors
[10:55] <bigjools> wgrant: the bug you just filed, I have a feeling it's a dupe but I can't for the life of me find one
[10:56] <bigjools> aha
[11:19] <wgrant> bigjools: I don't think that's a dupe.
[11:19] <wgrant> But I suppose it'll be fixed at the same time.
[11:20] <bigjools> wgrant: read the original description, it's talking about changing the text depending on whether you have upload privs or not
[11:20] <wgrant> bigjools: True.
[11:49] <gnomefreak> when is the plan to add karmic to PPA?
[11:49] <wgrant> gnomefreak: Done.
[11:50] <wgrant> Days ago.
[11:50] <gnomefreak> wgrant: oh ok i didnt see it in sources.list drop down
[11:50] <wgrant> gnomefreak: Because you have no Karmic packages in your PPA.
[11:50] <wgrant> See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas for the list of supported DAS.
[11:51] <gnomefreak> ah ok thanks, i was waiting for it in sources list. Ill be back someone that shouldnt be here is :(
[11:51] <wgrant> Pardon?
[11:53] <mirak> hi
[11:54] <mirak> when you approve somebody to a team, what this person can do on the ppa ?
[11:54] <mirak> does someone needs to be moderator to upload packages ?
[11:54] <bigjools> mirak: they will gain upload privileges to the team's PPA
[11:55] <mirak> bigjools: can they also delete packages ?
[11:55] <gnomefreak> i'm hearing things
[11:55] <bigjools> yes
[11:55] <mirak> bigjools: so it's a very bad idea to make a team public
[11:55] <mirak> I guess
[11:56] <mirak> or anyone should upload to it's own ppa then copy the packages to the team ppa ?
[11:56] <bigjools> mirak: well, you need to decide who needs upload privs and control the team accordingly
[11:56] <mirak> ok I missed this configuration panel then
[11:56] <bigjools> it depends on who is a member of the team that owns the PPA
[11:58] <wgrant> I've been wondering if the privilege granularity of teams is insufficient. Creating lots of teams doesn't seem like a great solution, and there are things like separating membership approvals and mailing list moderation that are impossible in the current model.
[11:59] <mirak> bigjools: I can't find what you are talking about
[11:59] <bigjools> indeed, we need the concept of roles
[11:59] <bigjools> mirak: it's simple, if you're a member of the team that owns the PPA, then you can upload/delete
[11:59] <bigjools> if you're not, you can't
[12:00] <mirak> bigjools: ok, I didn't understood what you meant
[12:00] <wgrant> bigjools: Until a couple of years ago there was only one type of administrative role, so I guess it's a new problem.
[12:00] <bigjools> wgrant: yes, the use of teams has expanded a lot
[12:01] <bigjools> Curtis might have something up his sleeve
[12:01] <mirak> the problem here is that you can't trial someone
[12:01] <mirak> you can accept just one person that will wreck your ppa
[12:01] <mirak> without him having to prove that he can upload packages
[12:01] <mirak> or even want to
[12:01] <bigjools> mirak: in that case, let them use their own PPA and you can copy his packages into yours
[12:02] <mirak> ok, I should check then if they are doing packages
[12:02] <mirak> at least on their ppa
[12:02] <wgrant> The required proliferation of teams is a bit crazy and looks bad.
[12:03] <bigjools> I agree
[12:03] <wgrant> Although multiple PPAs is a good start at fixing that :)
[12:04] <mirak> ok, the guy have no ppa at all yet. For that first one joining the team, I will let him join as it. but fo the other ones I will ask them to upload the packages on their own ppa first.
[12:04] <bigjools> it took a while :)
[12:05] <mirak> is there a way to have in a ppa different categories, like main universe multiverse ?
[12:05] <bigjools> mirak: no, PPAs don't have components
[12:05] <wgrant> bigjools: But... wasn't that feature removed just before the initial PPA deployment? I saw a bug in the last few weeks beforehand about fixing the implementation to work with only one PPA per user.
[12:05] <bigjools> but you can have multiple PPAs for the same team/person
[12:05] <mirak> so we can't manage restricted packages
[12:05] <wgrant> Multiple PPAs per Person is a much better solution that components.
[12:06] <bigjools> yep
[12:06] <mirak> that's what I did
[12:07] <mirak> have you heard about flamewars on ppa teams already ?
[12:07] <bigjools> no, really?
[12:07] <mirak> like repository killing
[12:07] <mirak> and stuff ?
[12:08] <mirak> bigjools: I haven't !! it's a question ^^
[12:08] <bigjools> oh :)
[12:08] <wgrant> Most people only add trusted people to their PPA teams, I suspect.
[12:08] <wgrant> And most people aren't evil.
[12:08] <bigjools> mirak: no, I've not heard of that happening
[12:09] <mirak> anyway going to the process of creating a gpg key and stuff is anoying enough to not wanting to be blacklisted ^^
[12:09] <mirak> through/to
[12:31] <eraser> Hello! Is there something going on with server today?
[12:31] <eraser> It's impossible to translate anything. Continious errer message from site bugs ... Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.
[12:42] <bigjools> eraser: we're aware of the problem, someone is looking into it, thanks.
[12:47] <phoozle> Is anyone having problems on Launchpad Answers?
[12:47] <intellectronica> phoozle: what kind of problem are you having?
[12:48] <phoozle> Im supplying an answer and I get this error: Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.
[12:48] <phoozle> should I just give it some time?
[12:48] <bigjools> phoozle: : there's a general timeout problem, someone is looking into it
[12:48] <phoozle> ok cheers
[12:49] <phoozle> the person im supporting just posted 3 duplicated questions so that could be related also.
[12:49] <wgrant> Aha, good to see somebody is looking into it - I hit that a bit 12 hours ago.
[13:05] <cemc> hi. problems with launchpad? i noticed yesterday and today it gives me a lot of 'please try again'
[13:06] <jpds> cemc: They are working on it.
[13:06] <cemc> cool, thanks
[13:06] <Goundy> lp is written in php right ?
[13:07] <bigjools> Python
[13:07] <Goundy> ah
[13:07] <Goundy> bigjools full python ?
[13:07] <bigjools> I don't understand your question, what do you mean by full?
[13:07] <Goundy> bigjools I mean the whole plateforme is python based there's no other techno ?
[13:08] <bigjools> Oh I see, yes pretty much, apart from the javascript and there's a few C extensions for performance critical parts
[13:08] <Goundy> Nice
[13:12] <jarnos> There are problems in connecting to the Launchpad server. I frequently get the "Please try again" page.
[13:13] <jpds> jarnos: Known problem, they're working on it.
[13:20] <dfinf2> Hey, I can't seem to connect to the Launchpad server...Trying to download Furius ISO Mount
[13:21] <binarymutant> will it be posted here when the known problems are fixed?
[13:21] <bigjools> yes
[13:22] <binarymutant> cool ty
[13:24] <TomHal> launchpad is slowing downnnnnnnnnnnnnn
[13:25] <pmatulis> ANNOUNCEMENT: Launchpad.net is experiencing severe trouble.  STOP CONNECTING
[13:27] <theoldfellow> I can't report a bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ is saying tell you herer.
[13:27] <jpds> theoldfellow: See /topic.
[13:28] <elmo> pmatulis: please don't say that
[13:28] <theoldfellow> propably all that Jaunty update bugs..  :)
[13:29] <theoldfellow> anyone know how to make Preferred Applications work - it keeps trying to use Evolution ?
[13:30] <rowinggolfer> theoldfellow: it?
[13:30] <theoldfellow> Jaunty - Open Office for instance.
[13:30] <jpds> theoldfellow: Try #ubuntu for general support questions.
[13:30] <theoldfellow> OK, thanks.
[13:35] <TomHal> pmatulis: I have a product to get out today.  Any idea when LP will be responding quicker?
[13:36] <bigjools> anyone who's experiencing problems, is it on the edge servers too?
[13:37] <bigjools> and does anyone have any OOPS IDs please
[13:39] <VK7HSE> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/927280/Screenshot-Please%20try%20again%20-%20Mozilla%20Firefox.png
[13:39] <VK7HSE> can't login to try sorry :(
[13:39] <bigjools> ugh nasty, thanks
[13:40] <jpds> bigjools: I don't get a problem accessing my code page on edge.
[13:41] <pmatulis> TomHal: no, sorry
[13:41] <satansaunt> so, question about football manager 2009
[13:42] <satansaunt> can i run it in xubuntu 9.04? or do i still have to keep booting into windows...
[13:42] <bigjools> jpds: we see the same, thanks for confirming
[13:42] <satansaunt> which, by the way, i really don't like having to do
[13:42] <TomHal> pmatulis: is it certain id's links, ??????
[13:42] <jpds> satansaunt: Try asking in #xubuntu, this channel is for Launchpad support.
[13:43] <jpds> bigjools: No problem.
[13:43] <satansaunt> there's no one there to answer my question, that's why i asked here
[13:43] <binarymutant> satansaunt, ask in #ubuntu then :P
[13:46] <gmerrick> Morning all.  I'm having an issue with Volume Applet 2.26.0 on Jaunty and would like to know where I should file a bug report on it
[13:48] <bigjools> gmerrick: run "ubuntu-bug"
[13:49] <jpds> gmerrick: Probably https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-applets - #ubuntu-bugs will be able to help you too.
[13:49] <bigjools> jpds: the distro guys would rather people used ubuntu-bug
[13:50] <jpds> bigjools: True, just pointing out the package.
[13:50] <gmerrick> heh.  Unless you know the actual package ubuntu-bug doesn't help much.  Looks like it is a part of gnome-applets, according to synaptic.
[13:51] <mnemo> how long until it's fixed?
[13:51] <bigjools> mnemo: we don't know yet
[14:21] <bigjools> it should be fixed now
[14:22] <andol> bigjools: Well, LP works fine for me now anyway :) Thanks!
[14:22] <bigjools> good to hear
[14:26] <gmerrick> Thanks for the help.  Got that bug posted now the sites' working
[14:28] <mnemo> what is the correct package for text error on help.launchpad.net website?
[14:28] <mnemo> i.e. which package for this bug --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/370342
[14:28] <mirak> is it possible to create binary deps with a different version but from the same source. depending of the sources it was built against ?
[14:29] <wgrant> mnemo: You can fix it yourself, or reassign the bug to the launchpad-documentation project.
[14:29] <wgrant> mirak: How are you specifying the binary dependencies?
[14:32] <wgrant> mirak: You assigned the bug to the team, rather than changing its target.
[14:32] <wgrant> Er, mnemo ^^
[14:33] <mnemo> wgrant: hmm, should I not assign it to the team?
[14:33] <wgrant> mnemo: No, you should instead change the project.
[14:33] <wgrant> In the top field.
[14:34] <wgrant> Assigning people is generally not a good idea.
[14:34] <mnemo> ah, you mean the package?
[14:34] <wgrant> (unless it's you)
[14:34] <wgrant> mnemo: It's a project, not a package.
[14:34] <wgrant> Although packages can have bugs targetted to them too, this is not one of those.
[14:35] <mnemo> yea ok I think its corrected now?
[14:35] <wgrant> mnemo: Yep, that looks good.
[14:37] <mnemo> wgrant: hey, what about this bug btw? --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/369221   i wonder if this part of launchpad is open source? if so, is it possible for me to fix that bug myself and attach a debdiff or so?
[14:38] <wgrant> mnemo: That part of Launchpad will be open source in nearly three months.
[14:39] <mnemo> wgrant: ok, what do you think about the chances of someone on the LP team taking on this bug?
[14:39] <mnemo> I feel its a pretty nice improvment
[14:39] <wgrant> mnemo: I don't know. I'm just a user.
[14:39] <mnemo> oh I see :)
[14:40] <mnemo> in case anyone from canonical's launchpad team is here, please have a look at this tiny feature request and see what you think! thanks :)   --https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/369221
[14:40] <mnemo> there
[14:40] <mnemo> i hope they will implement this change
[14:40] <wgrant> If not, you can try in a few months.
[14:43] <mirak> wgrant: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.8), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), vdr-abi-1.7.6
[14:44] <wgrant> mirak: You specify those manually in debian/control?
[14:44] <mirak> wgrant: there is a subst variable wich value came from vdr-dev package
[14:45] <wgrant> What is the line in debian/control?
[14:45] <wgrant> mirak: ^^
[14:46] <mirak> wgrant: what I don't find nice is that if I upgrade vdr abi, then I am forced to also upgrade the changelog of the plugin, and only this, just to have a different binary name.
[14:46] <wgrant> mirak: Which changelog of which plugin?
[14:46] <wgrant> And why?
[14:53] <mirak> wgrant: of all plugins
[14:54] <mirak> wgrant: because how can I rebuild them otherwise ? and how can the previous vdr version have it's plugins ?
[14:54] <wgrant> mirak: I must be missing some context here. What plugins are depending on what?
[14:54] <mirak> wgrant: vdr have a lot of plugins
[14:55] <wgrant> mirak: And those plugins depend on vdr-abi-X.Y.Z?
[14:55] <mirak> wgrant: yes
[14:55] <wgrant> mirak: You need the binary packages to have a different version number, so you need to upload a new source version, so you need to add a new changelog entry.
[14:56] <wgrant> There's no way around it.
[14:57] <mirak> wgrant: that's what I complain about
[14:57] <wgrant> mirak: So, the answer to your initial question is 'No'
[14:57] <mirak> wgrant: I see no reason to change the source version when the source is exactly the same
[14:58] <mirak> wgrant: ok
[14:58] <mirak> lol
[14:58] <wgrant> mirak: The binary version comes from the source version. It might at some point be possible to do binary-only rebuilds which append something to the version, but that's a bit ugly and not possible at this time.
[14:58] <mirak> wgrant: I mean here there should be a mecanism that just name the binary package version according to some version of the source package it depends
[14:59] <mirak> wgrant: ok, at least people though about that
[15:00] <mirak> wgrant: I don't feel it's ugly, it's just logical. since a source can produce a different binary output there is no reason that the binary package keeps the same version name if they can vary
[16:01] <mirak> the lpia architecture on ubuntu is 32 bits ?
[16:10] <Vantrax> pretty sure
[16:25] <mirak> where are the repository for lpia ??
[16:35] <tsimpson> mirak: http://ports.ubuntu.com
[16:37] <mirak> tsimpson: ha right
[17:21] <aleksander_m> hi all... I get a connection refused (Errno 111) when using dput to upload a new package to my PPA
[17:21] <aleksander_m> Any hint?
[17:21] <bigjools> aleksander_m: can you show me your dput.cf please?
[17:22] <Spads> aleksander_m: The upload service is undergoing brief maintenance at the moment
[17:22] <aleksander_m> yesterday I could do it...
[17:22] <aleksander_m> let me pastebin it
[17:22] <Spads> PPA uploads will be unavailable for a brief time.
[17:22] <bigjools> aleksander_m: ok don't worry
[17:23] <aleksander_m> http://pastebin.com/mabab4ca
[17:23] <aleksander_m> ah ok
[17:23] <Spads> aleksander_m: I'll let you know when it's ready for you.  Apologies for the inconvenience.
[17:23] <aleksander_m> no problem
[17:24] <aleksander_m> my battery will die quite soon, so I'll leave it for this evening :-)
[17:24] <aleksander_m> thanks and cheers
[17:39] <Spads> PPA uploads will now function again as expected.
[17:58] <bjfs> Since I'm new to PPAs then I ask if there's some app that allows user to select a given PPA to his or hers repo on sources.list ?
[18:22] <c_korn> hello, my upload was rejected due to this reason: http://pastebin.com/d7eefc768
[18:37] <al-maisan> c_korn: could you please try again?
[18:37] <al-maisan> This may be fall-out from the difficulties we had today..
[18:46] <c_korn> al-maisan: same error again
[18:46] <al-maisan> hmm..
[18:46] <c_korn> http://pastebin.com/d4e7074cd
[18:49] <c_korn> that was a no orig upload. https://launchpad.net/~c-korn/+archive/ppa
[18:49] <al-maisan> what is a "no orig" upload?
[18:51] <c_korn> the orig tarball was already uploaded. I only did a debuild -S -sd and uploaded the diff.gz, dsc and source_changes file. but no tarball
[18:52] <al-maisan> c_korn: how was the orig tarball uploaded beforehand?
[18:53] <c_korn> debuild -S -sa includes the tarball in source_changes. so it was uploaded at first time
[18:54] <LarstiQ> did the upload with the orig succeed?
[18:54] <flacoste> no
[18:54] <flacoste> that's probably the issue
[18:55] <flacoste> the PPA box was offline for a short while to put new disks in
[18:55] <c_korn> the upload with orig was successful before
[18:55] <flacoste> c_korn: can you create a complete uploade and try again?
[18:55] <c_korn> ok
[18:55] <al-maisan> good idea.
[19:01] <c_korn> also rejected: http://pastebin.com/d374f7c18
[19:01] <al-maisan> c_korn: could you please also paste the changes file for the failed upload?
[19:03] <c_korn> mail: http://pastebin.com/d3f95d678 changes: http://pastebin.com/d7c1e84cd
[19:03] <al-maisan> thanks.
[19:10] <al-maisan> c_korn: we are analyzing the problem and have a first "clue"..
[19:12] <c_korn> ok, thanks. I have to leave now
[19:32] <Demophobie> Hey! Is .../.../languages/de/.../test.po enough to let the system find what language i have in the trunk?
[19:40]  * maxb wonders if there's a timetable for how the PPA buildd pool grows and shrinks
[19:50] <mirak> Rejected:
[19:50] <mirak> Unhandled exception processing upload: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/srv/launchpad.net/ppa-queue/incoming/upload-20090501-182251-000012/~mirak-mirak/ubuntu/tmpUzp-jE'
[19:51] <elmo> mirak: see /topic
[19:52] <mirak> elmo: thanks
[20:03] <elmo> ok, PPA upload problems are fixed
[20:03] <maxb> Any news on when there might be some more builders available?
[20:03] <elmo> mirak, c_korn: ^--
[20:03] <elmo> maxb: early next week
[20:04] <maxb> My PPA is broken because the arch-any packages have built but the arch-all ones haven't
[20:05] <maxb> I suppose I should register a /staging secondary PPA, build new uploads in that, and then write something using launchpadlib to sync them over when fully built
[20:06] <flacoste> maxb: why can''t you simply ask for a rebuild?
[20:09] <maxb> flacoste: The problem is version skew between arch-all and arch-any binary packages, because the i386 builders are running far behind
[20:09] <flacoste> maxb: then i guess your staging idea isn't a bad one
[20:10] <maxb> Am I just missing it, or is there no launchpadlib way to delete packages?
[20:14] <flacoste> maxb: i don't find it
[20:15] <flacoste> maxb: you should file a bug on soyuz to add it
[20:34] <Goundy> guys... I just noticed something weird.... well I might be wrong but...
[20:34] <Goundy> When I visit the description page of lp I see: Publish your work. Collaborate with free software communities.
[20:35] <Goundy> But right now, while browsing the registred projects I noticed that some are PROPRIETARY projects
[20:35] <Goundy> What the hell is that ?
[20:35] <Demophobie> someone here who understands something about translation in lauchpad?
[20:36] <Goundy> actually I know that Free doens't mean open source but as stated before lp is presented as a plateforme for open source software
[20:36] <Goundy> or Am I wrong ?
[20:39] <maxb> Goundy: Free projects can use Launchpad for free. Proprietary projects who want to use Launchpad can pay to do so.
[20:39] <Goundy> maxb Ah I get it now... This should be stated in the description page don't you think so?
[20:40] <maxb> Well, it does describe the primary purpose of Launchpad :-)
[20:40] <Goundy> Heh not wrong :)
[20:42] <c_korn> elmo: sure that the issue is fixed? I uploaded about 30min ago but it was neither rejected not accepted
[20:42] <Goundy> maxb anyway thanks for your hint :)
[20:42] <elmo> c_korn: gack, sorry.  epic crontab replacement failure
[20:43] <elmo> c_korn: fixed, and processing now
[20:45] <c_korn> elmo: thanks, it got accepted now
[20:46] <flacoste> Goundy: yeah, we have meant to update that front page with the correct message, it's very well hidden that you can host your proprietary project on LP
[20:47] <Goundy> hmm question: I left my lp project for a while, due to the time I spend achieving my internship. Does lp delete inactive projects ?
[20:47] <flacoste> Goundy: but maxb is right, the main focus is collaboartion with free software
[20:47] <flacoste> Goundy: no
[20:47] <Goundy> flacoste yea I get it thank you :)
[20:47] <Goundy> oh that's sweet (project deletion) :) thanks
[20:47] <flacoste> Demophobie: you can ask, if i'm not able to help you out, the best thing will be to file a question on answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[20:49] <Demophobie> flacoste: thanks. Do u think ../de/LC_MESSAGES/test.po would be enough to let the system automatically catch what language i mean?
[20:51] <flacoste> Demophobie: wow, i don't know. I think not, but best to file a question on launchpad, everyone working on translations is on holiday today
[20:52] <Demophobie> flacoste: ah ok - i think i will commit it and try - he? :D
[20:52] <flacoste> yeah, the worst that can happen is that it will stick in a queue for manual approval
[20:52] <Demophobie> right :D
[21:25] <Demophobie> flacoste: doesnt work - "need's review" :(
[21:25] <flacoste> that's what i thought
[21:25] <flacoste> only de.po is automatically approved
[21:26] <Demophobie> damnit
[21:26] <Demophobie> :D
[21:26] <flacoste> you could file a bug for that other format if it's widely used
[21:26] <Demophobie> when will it be committed? ;) hmm
[21:27] <Demophobie> flacoste: what about .../de/LC_MESSAGES/de.po
[21:27] <Demophobie> will that be ok?
[21:27] <flacoste> maybe?
[21:27] <flacoste> i have honestly no idea
[21:35] <Demophobie> flacoste: hm D:
[21:35] <Demophobie> :D
[21:36] <Demophobie> worth a try lol
[21:53] <bx2> hi all
[21:53] <bx2> is there any way to remove project from launchpad?
[21:55] <Snova> I think you need to file a question on answers.launchpad.net somewhere.
[22:10] <Demophobie> flacoste: i give up
[22:11] <Demophobie> flacoste: ../languages/de/LC_MESSAGES/de.po doesnt work!!! :(
[22:12] <Demophobie> The files are named language.po now - and still the system doesnt like it!
[22:13] <Demophobie> i'm unhappy lol
[22:20] <popey> i just used ubuntu-bug to file a bug and got "Application error.  Unauthenticated user POSTing to page that requires authentication." when i finally submitted it
[22:21] <cavedon> I am still not able to upload to my PPA
[22:21] <cavedon> I get:
[22:21] <cavedon> Rejected:
[22:21] <cavedon> Could not find person ''
[22:23] <flacoste> popey: there was an app server restart just 10 minutes ago, retry it should work fine now
[22:23] <flacoste> cavedon: is this a first time?
[22:25] <popey> thanks flacoste
[22:26] <cavedon> no, I was getting this a couple of hours ago
[22:26] <cavedon> popey: in the past I never had this problem
[22:26] <cavedon> popey: mhm, it is the first time upload since installing jaunty
[22:27] <flacoste> cavedon: can you file a question answers.launchpad.net/soyuz/+addquestion ?
[22:27] <cavedon> sotty, previous messages were for flacoste, not popey
[22:27] <flacoste> i'll make sure someone in the know follows-up
[22:28] <cavedon> flacoste: tnx
[22:37] <mirak> 180.51-0ubuntu1+ppa3 <= 180.51-0ubuntu1-ppa2  ???
[22:37] <mirak> I really don't understand the versions
[22:38] <Demophobie> flacoste: ok made it /languages/de.po , fr.po etc now
[22:38] <Demophobie> flacoste: if that doesnt work, i get mad :D
[22:38] <flacoste> Demophobie: hang on here
[22:39] <flacoste> Demophobie: is this in a branch?
[22:39] <flacoste> mirak: + sorts before -
[22:43] <mirak> someone told me the reason is that the version compared are 180.51 <= 180.51-0ubuntu1
[22:43] <mirak> because the last minux matter
[22:43] <Demophobie> flacoste: yes its in a branch
[22:45] <Demophobie> flacoste: it doesnt work - i give up lol
[22:46] <flacoste> Demophobie: that's the best i can find https://answers.launchpad.net/rosetta/+faq/173
[22:46] <flacoste> Demophobie: i suggest you ask a question about what is the proper naming convention so that we can expand this
[22:46] <Demophobie> flacoste: i looked at other projects and they alle had /language/de.po and so on
[22:46] <Demophobie> i think i will wait  a day
[23:05] <popey> 23:05:39 < ubottu> Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/370557/+text)
[23:06] <popey> just got that when i mentioned a bug
[23:10] <Demophobie> flacoste_afk: ok thx - we will see - but my actual settings must work - hope this problem fixes itself :D
[23:12] <cavedon> flacoste_afk: sorry, it was my fault, I forgot I had moved the dput configuration :(
[23:24] <tumbleweed> is it just me, or do bzr branches take a lot longer to sync on edge.lp than they used to?
[23:26] <tumbleweed> it's not too bad when you are using ssh, but when psuhing with ssh and pulling via http on another box, the 15 minute wait is *painful*
[23:44] <asac> hmm something is wrong ... zillions of builds waiting in queue, but all builders idle https://edge.launchpad.net/builders/
[23:44] <asac> any idea?
[23:46] <Ampelbein> asac: seems to have resolved, all builders are busy right now.
[23:46] <asac> yeah