[00:00] BUGabundo: it'd only show up in that list if had a specific release task for Gutsy and since Gutsy is EOL it sounds reasonable [00:00] BUGabundo: It would make sense to have this done automatically... I think there are also a load of nominations for Feisty that need to be declined also [00:00] You know what's funny: after I typed again "checkbox-gtk" in the Terminal, a small window appeared by itself (I didn't touch return after I typed the checkbox-gtk command). The window was called System testing and I followed the steps. It was ok with sound, display, everything. But the on the Terminal nothing appears [00:01] elena09: its not supposed to show on terminal [00:01] so it's ok... [00:01] usually only error messages appear there, when starting an app from cli [00:01] maco: hi [00:02] bdmurray: I would do this, but it seems it requires administrative permissions in order to change to WFix [00:02] LumpyCustard: It does, I'll discuss it with the release team [00:02] LumpyCustard: It'll also generate a lot of e-mail for people [00:03] If I type again the command checkbox-gtk but I close the small testing window, without proceeding with the test, the message "2009-05-01 01:59:19,621 CRITICAL " appears on the Terminal [00:03] indeed [00:03] I still remember last time we did that [00:03] elena09: nothing to worry [00:04] So that, the bug was solved....:) [00:06] seems so [00:06] bdmurray: Thanks :) [00:06] I didn't follow from start, so can't be sure [00:06] I must thank you a lot for your help. I must leave now, but I'll visit again this excellent room. Good bye. [00:06] LumpyCustard: Thanks for bringing it up [00:07] elena09: thank you for using FOSS and GNU/Linux [00:07] With regard to the nominations there is no way to close them programatically so they just hang around now [00:18] BUGabundo: that's not true. there can be warnings and also if the programmer had some print statements they were using for debugging and never bothered to remove, those can show up too [00:19] maco: I know! but too much intel for a noob [00:19] better s/he learns with time [00:19] eh i've noticed a tendency for kde apps to say what they're doing as they do it [00:20] try running kpackagekit. it prints "SHOW UI!" then "GO UI!" [00:20] eheh [00:20] now try to enable -debug [00:20] LOL [00:23] wow maybe if i ever work on a kde app, i'll have it print things of the "/me starts the UI" form ;) [00:25] eheh [00:25] I love those "OOPS. you should never see this." [00:55] net split ? [00:57] * charlie-tca thinks so [01:20] heh just got mesself a new oops [01:21] eeh [01:21] got a few today too [01:21] trying to open a blue print [01:29] and LP keeps on giving me "sorry there was a problem... wait a bit and try again" :-( [01:30] hggdh: move back to lp, without edge [01:31] go to start page and suspend redirect [01:33] that was on a kernel oops report, opened by apport (and already gone). I am not sure where it was going [01:34] anyways, I usually do not go edge, since I had a falldown with the LP folks [01:35] wait [01:35] BUGabundo, what start page? [01:35] oops... just noticed some users are getting UNR to install on 15" laptop, cause of the name [01:35] hggdh: launchpad.net [01:36] yeah, I am there, where do I suspend redirects? [01:36] hggdh: what happened with LP guys? [01:36] PV [01:36] hggdh: if your account is set to use edge, it should appear a box offering to suspend the redirect [01:37] if you are not using edge, and the ops is on production LP, then its more serious [01:37] wgrant: ping ^^^^^^^^^^^^ [01:40] BUGabundo: I got that on one request a few minutes ago. [01:40] You can disable the redirect on a timeout OOPS, or at https://launchpad.net/ [01:40] wgrant: known prob? [01:41] wgrant: hggdh is not on edge [01:41] AFAICT [01:41] Oh. [01:41] so if it hitting production it can be serious [01:41] we need to reproduce it [01:42] no, I am not on edge. Have not been for a long time [01:42] I'm talking to a sysadmin now... [01:43] wgrant: thanks [01:47] where does the sw updates avail icon appear and what does it look in ubuntu 9.04 [01:48] jtholmes: Bug 332945 [01:48] Launchpad bug 332945 in null "[Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/332945 [01:49] BUGabundo, thanks [01:49] jtholmes: get ready for a LONG LONG thread [01:49] over 200 replies and 20+ dupes [01:49] well i was trying to triage a new bug and i guess it will go to the dup pile [01:54] jtholmes: ok [02:05] BUGabundo, you there [02:06] jtholmes: of course [02:06] if you see my nick up, I'm prob here [02:07] bug 366678 can you peek for a sec, doesnt seem possible the modules.dep file could be missing in alpha, beta, RC, and final [02:07] Launchpad bug 366678 in ubuntu "9.04 fails to boot on HP DV2-1030US laptop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/366678 [02:09] humm LP down? [02:09] i am on there atm [02:13] jtholmes: its already being triage isn't it ? [02:14] well status sayw new [02:14] with two reports am i missing something? [02:16] 4 reports [02:16] it was in the tinyurl which they said today was no pkg etc. [02:26] hi all, I am not sure how to mark the status of a bug: wengophone has changed name into qutecom. So some wengophone bugs are being fixed in qutecom [02:27] how should I mark the bugs in wengophone? I cannot find somthing like "won't fix"... [02:27] cavedon: bug ID? [02:27] cavedon: you may not be allowed to set that option [02:27] are you on bug control team? [02:27] BUGabundo: #364907 [02:28] bug 364907 [02:28] Launchpad bug 364907 in wengophone "wengophone qutecom no ringtone on incoming call" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/364907 [02:29] BUGabundo: the bugfix for that is coming with next debian upload [02:29] BUGabundo: but this is a problem for most of the current wengophone bugs [02:30] cavedon: its Fix Commited [02:30] but since the package has 2 names, I would just mark one of them as Invalid [02:31] BUGabundo: I changed it to fix committed, when qutecom was not in jaunty yet [02:31] BUGabundo: the bugfix will never be released wengophone [02:31] just for qutecom [02:31] ahh [02:31] you have to ask here and wait someone with powers to set it wontfix [02:31] I don't have them [02:33] BUGabundo: ic, tnx! [02:50] cavedon: so, the wengophone-task should be set to 'won't fix'? [02:54] Ampelbein: thanks! The same applies to bug #236244, could you change it please? [02:54] Launchpad bug 236244 in wengophone "Unsupported webcam" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/236244 [02:55] cavedon: done [02:56] Ampelbein: do you also know if it is possible to one of the link to the upstream BTS? They are both referring to the same link, but the one with Wengophone was addedd by mistake [02:56] Ampelbein: tnx! [02:57] ...if it is possible to remove one of the link.... [02:58] yes it is [02:58] cavedon: invalidated the wengophone upstream task. [02:59] ic, just marking it invalid [02:59] BUGabundo, Ampelbein: thank you both [02:59] cavedon: you're welcome [03:22] is nautilus suppose to exist as a choice on the accessories menu? [03:22] jtholmes: ahh? [03:23] should there be a nautilus selection off the accessories menu [03:23] named file manager whatever [03:23] not our decision [03:23] its an upstream one [03:24] ok, i just dont see it, and i was trying to help someone with a bug [03:24] are linux mint users supposed to be filing bugs in launchpad? [03:24] * calc doesn't know how that works [03:25] Kubuntu has the File Manager application in the menu [03:25] calc: don't they use LP as their BTS? [03:25] but those bugs should be on mint project and not ubuntu [03:25] ok [03:25] unless the same package suffers from it, say OOo [03:25] Stupendoussteve, yes that was why i wondered, let me look at the QA test and see what it says [03:26] calc: do we already have 3.1 ? [03:26] no [03:26] about testing nautilus [03:26] 3.1 is for karmic [03:26] no PPA? [03:26] I love the new deisgn [03:27] nope its not even out yet [03:27] rc2 just came out [03:28] i'm trying to build it for karmic atm but there are a lot of build-deps missing from the archive at the moment [03:28] yeah [03:28] sync still hasn't kicked in AFAIK [03:29] once i get it working on my system with the missing packages i will just upload and have it in dep-wait [03:31] nice [03:46] $ cd ~; $ sync; sudo pm-suspend === Hurtz_ is now known as Hurtz [06:43] heh, how does mako have a karma of 3? [06:45] what's the general response about unsupported software in new releases: see bug 348908 [06:45] Launchpad bug 348908 in firefox "Flash v9 crashes Firefox in Jaunty (beta)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/348908 === micahg1 is now known as micahg [06:57] micahg: if the crash is indeed by flash, and not by nsplugin-wrapper nor by firefox, then https://bugs.adobe.com/flashplayer/ [06:59] well, I'm wondering since the person upgraded to jaunty, but didn't upgrade flash, if that's supportable, or not, the user already said they no longer have an issue [06:59] my question is more generalized [07:00] no idea :\ [07:01] ok [07:01] maybe someone else knows, stick around [07:01] savvas: do people just come back to the screen, scroll up and answerR? [07:02] happened to me several times in #launchpad :) [07:02] ok [07:02] I have to go to sleep soon [07:02] I was trying to get newer firefox bugs out of the firefox source package [07:02] you can ask again afterwards I suppose hehe [07:02] and either respond or close them [07:06] is it worth moving a bug to the proper package when invalidating [07:07] Actually, I just found the answer to my original question [07:07] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Bugs%20resolved%20after%20update%20or%20config%20change [07:27] is it worth moving a bug to the proper package when invalidating [08:07] are there any reports that say how many bugs are reported a day? [11:52] hi [13:14] who can tell me what package name handles the shutdown process, ie. user selects shutdown from the FUSA menu [13:15] jtholmes: you too [13:15] i just filed bug oin it [13:15] s/oin/on [13:16] jtholmes: Lp is having issues right now but i will get you bug id in a few minutes [13:17] jtholmes: this is assuming your PC wont shut down itself [13:17] gnomefreak, no i am not having the problem i am trying to triage and need the pkg name as there are several bugs that have the same problem thanks the bug number would also be good [13:17] i am still running 8.10 on my lapt but 9.04 on other machines desktops [13:18] jtholmes: bug 370305 [13:18] thanks [13:18] gnomefreak: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out [13:18] bug 370305 [13:18] bug 370305 [13:18] gnomefreak: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out [13:18] Launchpad bug 370305 in ubuntu "Error while trying to shut down" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/370305 [13:19] ok thats just wrong :( [13:19] jtholmes: i think its the kernel but not sure [13:20] dont know myself but there are several of them [13:20] It looks like HAL - looking at authorizations in System. [13:20] jtholmes: if you get bug numbers please le tme know [13:21] gnomefreak, how about looking at 370273 and tell me if that is very similar to what you reported [13:21] jpds: that is what i thought at first just not sure anymore [13:21] jtholmes: ok [13:22] jtholmes: no that is freezing on status bar mine is way after [13:23] ok thx [13:23] np [13:24] gnomefreak, how about 370223 [13:24] thats the same [13:25] sort of [13:25] ok thanks [13:26] jtholmes: it looks like 2 separate bugs in his report. Mine doesnt hang on start up [13:26] ok [13:26] an errors are not the same [13:27] im thinking errors being the same would be dups. his may be caused by and mine would be due to errors [13:27] and he saw his on 8.10 mine started 9.04 [13:28] jcastro are you busy [14:30] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpid/+bug/302452 [14:30] Launchpad bug 302452 in acpid "jaunty and intrepid shutdown/restart hang on "acpid: exiting"" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:31] I reported that my issue was with wireless... should I open a sep. bug report and give the specifics on that? [14:34] cprofitt, looks like you are not running a stock Ubuntu kernel is that correct === asac_ is now known as asac [14:34] I am running the kernel that was installed [14:34] from what release of ubuntu [14:35] Linux Tardis 2.6.28-11-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 17 01:58:03 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux [14:35] Jaunty [14:35] 9.04 [14:36] ok uname -a in the bug does not show Ubuntu SMP it shows lightyear kernel [14:36] 2.6-27-10 [14:36] jtholmes: looking for me? [14:36] The bug was originally reported in Intrepid [14:36] and not originally by me [14:37] That is why I was curious if it would be of value to make a new bug report based on what I found [14:37] jcastro yes i had a question about two bugs i will contact u later thx [14:37] hey jcastro how are things going? [14:37] hi cprofitt! [14:38] jtholmes: ok, I will be on conference wifi all weekend so mail is best please. [14:38] * cprofitt smiles [14:38] conference wi-fi [14:38] that is always a joy [14:39] jcastro will do [14:39] jtholmes, I am also not sure that the other reports in that bug are related to what I found... [14:40] cprofitt, sorry i misread, however there are a slew of bug reports connected with wireless hibernate/suspend shutdown etc. all related [14:41] Cool... I am more than willing to add to them... [14:43] do you have any links... I am searching on wireless shutdown and not getting any results -- which seems odd [14:43] search launchpad for hang on shutdown etc. see if you can add to one of them i was looking at one earlier but its number escapes me now [14:43] search for the pattern wlan [14:43] k [14:44] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/365733 [14:44] Launchpad bug 365733 in linux "Jaunty - Wireless issue causes laptop shutdown to hang indefinitely" [Undecided,New] [14:44] thats one of them [14:44] see what you can add to that or if it matches your situation [14:45] its close... but not the same wireless card.... [14:45] there is a common problem and it appears to go back to at least 8.10 [14:45] i dont think the type of wireless card matters [14:46] yeah... [14:46] it does go back to 8.10... got worse for me in 9.04 [14:47] what information should I add to that report? [14:47] i am going ask that person to ifconfig wlan0 down to see if his results match yours [14:47] k [14:47] let me look at 365733 and maybe we can come up with a consensus as to what can be added [14:48] I'm using fglrx. If compiz is enabled, my computer does sometimes (totally randomly) freeze. nothing works then, no keyboard combination like CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE/DEL. Sometimes, short before the freeze I can still move my mouse, but not click on anything. I still here the music playing. Any idea what could cause this? [14:49] cprofitt, any idea what he means 'if radio on' [14:49] He may be shutting it off in bios or with the Fn+F5 combo [14:51] cprofitt, do u also have a wired conn avail [14:53] alice ask in #ubuntu [14:53] alice582, pls ask in #ubuntu [14:53] jtholmes, I did. [14:53] k [14:54] jtholmes, not right now... [14:54] good afternoon [14:54] I am watching the two younger children and am out of the office... but I can take a look at it later [14:55] jtholmes, but no one replies there. channel is too busy. and as this is obviously a bug, why not ask it here? [14:56] alice582: this chanel is meant to help debug already existing bugs [14:56] and coordinate triagers [14:56] jtholmes, if you point me to the right page or give me some ideas I can follow them once my wife comes home... [14:56] alice582: if every one that can't be on #ubuntu made its way here, this channel would be unusable [14:57] alice582: either try #ubuntu again, ubuntuforums, or open a bug on LP, and let it be triage [14:57] k [14:57] alice582: sorry for the extra trouble [14:58] cprofitt, i dont have any wireless to test, perphaps you could duplicate his test with wired and verify, when u can that would be my suggestion it appears that i will have to pick up a wireless card for testing [14:58] !dontzap | alice582 [14:58] alice582: To re-enable the Ctrl+Alt+Backspace combination that restarts your X server, you can install the "dontzap" package and use the command « sudo dontzap --disable ». The combination Alt+SysRq+K can also be used to obtain a similar effect. [14:58] BUGabundo, oh, it is disabled by default? [14:59] alice582: yes, upstream policy [15:00] jtholmes, my situation matches his on my T500, but not on my T42p [15:00] BUGabundo, and what's the SysRq key? is it CTRL? [15:00] I am more looking for what kind of information to attach... [15:00] lspci -vv, dmesg, etc. [15:00] cprofitt, well put that down as verification [15:01] k [15:01] cprofitt, going for breakfast before OpenWeek classes resume, later thx [15:02] have a good day jtholmes [15:09] alice582, unfortunately the sysreq key combination varies with machines. For me (for example, it is (Alt/PrintScreen, Alt/someKey) [15:10] i.e., with Alt pressed, I then press PrintScreen and -- say -- 'h' to see a summary help [15:10] hggdh, when I do that, it brings up a screenshot saving window :( [15:12] alice582, if you are under X you will not see any messages (but the sysreq will still work). The best way to find out what is your magic key combination is to go to VT1 (Ctrl/Alt/F1), and keep on trying there [15:13] alice582, it will be a conbimation of Ctrl Alt, Fn (if you have such a key) *plus* the PrintScreen *or* SysReq key, *plus* a letter. *ONLY* try the letter 'h' right now [15:15] of course, you could also try looking at the keyboard map to find which key combination would map. But I never had the patience to do so. [15:16] hum. I retract myself. Just tried it under X (my magic key combination), and also got the screen shooter. Interesting [15:18] hggdh, I did it in tty1 and I get a kernel message SysRq: show memory... but nothing else. [15:19] alice582, which letter did you use? [15:19] hggdh, ALT+PRINT+M [15:21] ah well. I *did* ask you to only use H, did I not? [15:21] but you got your SysReq combination [15:21] sorry [15:21] Alt/Print [15:21] (will have to reboot. Be back in 5) [15:22] doesn't do anything. [15:22] okay [15:36] wb hggdh [15:39] alice582, I am also surprised the magic key is being trapped under X [15:39] will have to look more at that [15:39] hggdh, any idea why I only get kernel messages, but not the actual functionality? [15:40] Also had a quick look at it -- the magic-related messages appeared in the syslog, but *not* in the vt1 [15:40] weird. Not sure why. [15:43] well, you're the bug guy. seems like you have something new to fix :p [15:44] heh. I am not the bug person, I am just one more helping [15:45] but -- under X, it seems one has to get terminal control off X [15:45] this will be r [15:45] do not do it [15:45] alice582, do *not* try it now! [15:46] alice582, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key for a reference [15:47] ok, thanks [15:51] bbl [16:07] In regards to traces in private bug reports, what is information such as "\022\233\006\b\220Ás·2", is it some sort of encoding? [16:12] hew since none of the numbers are >7 is appears to be an octal dump of something [16:13] hew although it could be hex it appears to be binary [16:14] Thanks jtholmes, that makes sense :-) [16:17] usually a backspace followed by 3 digits, all less than 8, is an octal [16:18] yep [16:18] and we see a '\b', which is probably a backspace [16:19] (i.e., the symbolic equivalent of the numerical value of a backspace) === a|wen_ is now known as a|wen [17:13] can anyone please revisit https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/213171 [17:13] Launchpad bug 213171 in xorg "[i830] Unable to install with GUI on Fujitsu Lifebook C7651" [Unknown,In progress] [17:15] am I doing wrong adding my comments on that one? [17:17] Debian just released the fix, so it will take a little while to get to us. [17:18] alex_mayorga, seems pertinent [17:18] the bug report is still active, though. If that is the problem you are having, it is good to add to it [17:18] anything else I might throw in to help get it fixed? [17:19] Debian thinks they already fixed it. It just takes time to get to Ubuntu now [17:22] can anyone more seasoned tell me if theres a workaround? Info in the debian and fredesktop are way above my league :S [17:28] alex_mayorga, it seems Debian is using version 2:2.1.99, while we have version 2:2.7.0 in Jaunty. So... it will be complex [17:28] (Debian is way behind in version) [17:28] wait [17:28] of the intel driver, you mean? [17:28] darn [17:29] a [17:29] the Debian bug was closed in 2007 [17:29] has not much to do with us now [17:30] bit dated IMHO [17:30] yes [17:31] so... [17:31] well let me know with anything I can contribute [17:31] what Bryce said hold true [17:31] I have the buggy laptop just an ssh away [17:33] I might as well be the community person to step in, but have no much clue [17:33] (be back soon) [17:33] what is the package name that controls the wired network like eth0, eth1 ... [17:35] one option would be to offer a back-level intel driver, I think. But i do not know it is even possible [17:37] jtholmes: still network-manager [17:38] the lenny driver is not any better than the 8.10 driver (intel). + there are still issues in both ubuntu + debian / linux kernel with older pentium m's and "random" crashing due to speedswitch. [17:38] i wonder if these are related ... === Rafik_ is now known as Rafik [17:45] charlie-tca, hi -- you run KDE, right? [17:45] no, Xfce [17:45] Xubuntu [17:46] oh [17:46] OK [17:46] nixternal is kde [17:46] * hggdh will stay clear of KDE until the wireless plasmoid gets to work [17:47] but... it is time to get back to xfce ;-) [17:47] be back soon [18:06] charlie-tca, thanks [18:06] You are welcome [18:18] hggdh, who should I bring the intel driver to? [18:19] * sbeattie looks at the number of duplicates on bug 339148 and cringes. [18:19] Launchpad bug 339148 in gnome-app-install "gnome-app-install crashed with ValueError in _refilter()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/339148 [18:25] alex_mayorga, there is not much to be done here, unless to add a comment asking if a previous version of the driver can be made available. Bryce already stated that what is needed is a volunteer [18:29] sbeattie, at this point in time this bug can very much be confirmed, correct? [18:30] hggdh: yes, definitely, based on the number of duplicates. [18:30] sbeattie, I just tried it here -- no crash [18:30] can you try it also? [18:32] hggdh: I can't reproduce either, but right now I only have the jaunty-proposed version of gnome-app-install easily accessible. [18:34] sbeattie, I just updated it to incomplete/High, and asked for tests (for those that enabled -proposed) [18:34] hggdh: thanks! [18:34] * hggdh also only has -proposed [18:35] perhaps mvo's change on the search issue also resolved it, sounds slightly similar [18:38] hello [18:39] hggdh: yeah, that's what I was wondering as well. [18:39] heh. Just added another duplicate to it ... [18:42] Disk usage analyzer in Ubuntu 9.04 (upgraded from 8.10 which I installed with Wubi) gives me strange information [18:43] That I have a capacity of 294 GB, but my HDD has only 160 GB [18:44] yes, filesystem capacity: 294 GB [18:46] charlie-tca, need some info pls [18:47] sure, if I know [18:47] elena09, where/how do yourun this programme? (I mean I have no idea where to find it) [18:47] Do you mean Wubi? [18:48] elena09, if you are under Wubi, then I cannot help you. Please open a bug on it... I never used Wubi [18:48] i am not use to apports output can u peek at #369385 and tell me if the information on that bug is the std apport output [18:48] Wubi installs Ubuntu for Windows users. I had and still have Windows xp installed on my desktop, soon get rid of it, it's my intention [18:48] bug 369385 [18:48] Launchpad bug 369385 in ubuntu "I CAN NOT OPERATE MY LEXMARK 730 PRINTER ??" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/369385 [18:49] Wubi installer [18:49] elena09, this is the point. I do not have windows [18:49] jtholmes: looks right for a printer bug. [18:49] ok [18:49] should be assigned to cups [18:50] charlie-tca, well can u tell if it was filed using apport [18:50] But I think I would convert to a question, myself [18:50] Normally tags: apport-bug and the format it is in [18:50] but try to find out if this printer is listed on http://www.linuxprinting.org [18:50] Is there a powerfull command in the Ubuntu terminal which could show me the status of the parts of my PC, including HDD? [18:51] charlie-tca, ok thx i will handle it [18:51] elena09, what do you want to look at? There are vaious different commands to do that [18:51] Obviously trying to make it work like windows, installing the disk. [18:51] jtholmes: it looks like it was filed via apport against firefox? [18:51] jtholmes, please see my note above [18:51] Let's say my HDD [18:51]