[00:00] <bdmurray> BUGabundo: it'd only show up in that list if had a specific release task for Gutsy and since Gutsy is EOL it sounds reasonable
[00:00] <LumpyCustard> BUGabundo: It would make sense to have this done automatically... I think there are also a load of nominations for Feisty that need to be declined also
[00:00] <elena09> You know what's funny: after I typed again "checkbox-gtk" in the Terminal, a small window appeared by itself (I didn't touch return after I typed the checkbox-gtk command). The window was called System testing and I followed the steps. It was ok with sound, display, everything. But the on the Terminal nothing appears
[00:01] <BUGabundo> elena09: its not supposed to show on terminal
[00:01] <elena09> so it's ok...
[00:01] <BUGabundo> usually only error messages appear there, when starting an app from cli
[00:01] <BUGabundo> maco: hi
[00:02] <LumpyCustard> bdmurray: I would do this, but it seems it requires administrative permissions in order to change to WFix
[00:02] <bdmurray> LumpyCustard: It does, I'll discuss it with the release team
[00:02] <bdmurray> LumpyCustard: It'll also generate a lot of e-mail for people
[00:03] <elena09> If I type again the command checkbox-gtk but I close the small testing window, without proceeding with the test, the message "2009-05-01 01:59:19,621 CRITICAL " appears on the Terminal
[00:03] <BUGabundo> indeed
[00:03] <BUGabundo> I still remember last time we did that
[00:03] <BUGabundo> elena09: nothing to worry
[00:04] <elena09> So that, the bug was solved....:)
[00:06] <BUGabundo> seems so
[00:06] <LumpyCustard> bdmurray: Thanks :)
[00:06] <BUGabundo> I didn't follow from start, so can't be sure
[00:06] <elena09> I must thank you a lot for your help. I must leave now, but I'll visit again this excellent room. Good bye.
[00:06] <bdmurray> LumpyCustard: Thanks for bringing it up
[00:07] <BUGabundo> elena09: thank you for using FOSS and GNU/Linux
[00:07] <bdmurray> With regard to the nominations there is no way to close them programatically so they just hang around now
[00:18] <maco> BUGabundo: that's not true. there can be warnings and also if the programmer had some print statements they were using for debugging and never bothered to remove, those can show up too
[00:19] <BUGabundo> maco: I know! but too much intel for a noob
[00:19] <BUGabundo> better s/he learns with time
[00:19] <maco> eh i've noticed a tendency for kde apps to say what they're doing as they do it
[00:20] <maco> try running kpackagekit. it prints "SHOW UI!" then "GO UI!"
[00:20] <BUGabundo> eheh
[00:20] <BUGabundo> now try to enable -debug
[00:20] <BUGabundo> LOL
[00:23] <maco> wow maybe if i ever work on a kde app, i'll have it print things of the "/me starts the UI" form ;)
[00:25] <BUGabundo> eheh
[00:25] <BUGabundo> I love those "OOPS. you should never see this."
[00:55] <BUGabundo> net split ?
[00:57]  * charlie-tca thinks so
[01:20] <hggdh> heh just got mesself a new oops
[01:21] <BUGabundo> eeh
[01:21] <BUGabundo> got a few today too
[01:21] <BUGabundo> trying to open a blue print
[01:29] <hggdh> and LP keeps on giving me "sorry there was a problem... wait a bit and try again" :-(
[01:30] <BUGabundo> hggdh: move back to lp, without edge
[01:31] <BUGabundo> go to start page and suspend redirect
[01:33] <hggdh> that was on a kernel oops report, opened by apport (and already gone). I am not sure where it was going
[01:34] <hggdh> anyways, I usually do not go edge, since I had a falldown with the LP folks
[01:35] <hggdh> wait
[01:35] <hggdh> BUGabundo, what start page?
[01:35] <BUGabundo> oops... just noticed some users are getting UNR to install on 15" laptop, cause of the name
[01:35] <BUGabundo> hggdh: launchpad.net
[01:36] <hggdh> yeah, I am there, where do I suspend redirects?
[01:36] <BUGabundo> hggdh: what happened with LP guys?
[01:36] <hggdh> PV
[01:36] <BUGabundo> hggdh: if your account is set to use edge, it should appear a box offering to suspend the redirect
[01:37] <BUGabundo> if you are not using edge, and the ops is on production LP, then its more serious
[01:37] <BUGabundo> wgrant: ping ^^^^^^^^^^^^
[01:40] <wgrant> BUGabundo: I got that on one request a few minutes ago.
[01:40] <wgrant> You can disable the redirect on a timeout OOPS, or at https://launchpad.net/
[01:40] <BUGabundo> wgrant: known prob?
[01:41] <BUGabundo> wgrant: hggdh is not on edge
[01:41] <BUGabundo> AFAICT
[01:41] <wgrant> Oh.
[01:41] <BUGabundo> so if it hitting production it can be serious
[01:41] <BUGabundo> we need to reproduce it
[01:42] <hggdh> no, I am not on edge. Have not been for a long time
[01:42] <wgrant> I'm talking to a sysadmin now...
[01:43] <BUGabundo> wgrant: thanks
[01:47] <jtholmes> where does the sw updates avail icon appear and what does it look in ubuntu 9.04
[01:48] <BUGabundo> jtholmes: Bug 332945
[01:48] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 332945 in null "[Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/332945
[01:49] <jtholmes> BUGabundo, thanks
[01:49] <BUGabundo> jtholmes: get ready for a LONG LONG thread
[01:49] <BUGabundo> over 200 replies and 20+ dupes
[01:49] <jtholmes> well i was trying to triage a new bug and i guess it will go to the dup pile
[01:54] <BUGabundo> jtholmes: ok
[02:05] <jtholmes> BUGabundo, you there
[02:06] <BUGabundo> jtholmes: of course
[02:06] <BUGabundo> if you see my nick up, I'm prob here
[02:07] <jtholmes> bug 366678 can you peek for a sec, doesnt seem possible the  modules.dep file could be missing in  alpha, beta, RC, and final
[02:07] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 366678 in ubuntu "9.04 fails to boot on HP DV2-1030US laptop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/366678
[02:09] <BUGabundo> humm LP down?
[02:09] <jtholmes> i am on there atm
[02:13] <BUGabundo> jtholmes: its already being triage isn't it ?
[02:14] <jtholmes> well status sayw new
[02:14] <jtholmes> with two reports am i missing something?
[02:16] <jtholmes> 4 reports
[02:16] <jtholmes> it was in the tinyurl which they said today was no pkg etc.
[02:26] <cavedon> hi all, I am not sure how to mark the status of a bug: wengophone has changed name into qutecom. So some wengophone bugs are being fixed in qutecom
[02:27] <cavedon> how should I mark the bugs in wengophone? I cannot find somthing like "won't fix"...
[02:27] <BUGabundo> cavedon: bug ID?
[02:27] <BUGabundo> cavedon: you may not be allowed to set that option
[02:27] <BUGabundo> are you on bug control team?
[02:27] <cavedon> BUGabundo: #364907
[02:28] <BUGabundo> bug 364907
[02:28] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 364907 in wengophone "wengophone qutecom no ringtone on incoming call" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/364907
[02:29] <cavedon> BUGabundo: the bugfix for that is coming with next debian upload
[02:29] <cavedon> BUGabundo: but this is a problem for most of the current wengophone bugs
[02:30] <BUGabundo> cavedon: its Fix Commited
[02:30] <BUGabundo> but since the package has 2 names, I would just mark one of them as Invalid
[02:31] <cavedon> BUGabundo: I changed it to fix committed, when qutecom was not in jaunty yet
[02:31] <cavedon> BUGabundo: the bugfix will never be released wengophone
[02:31] <cavedon> just for qutecom
[02:31] <BUGabundo> ahh
[02:31] <BUGabundo> you have to ask here and wait someone with powers to set it wontfix
[02:31] <BUGabundo> I don't have them
[02:33] <cavedon> BUGabundo: ic, tnx!
[02:50] <Ampelbein> cavedon: so, the wengophone-task should be set to 'won't fix'?
[02:54] <cavedon> Ampelbein: thanks! The same applies to bug #236244, could you change it please?
[02:54] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 236244 in wengophone "Unsupported webcam" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/236244
[02:55] <Ampelbein> cavedon: done
[02:56] <cavedon> Ampelbein: do you also know if it is possible to one of the link to the upstream BTS? They are both referring to the same link, but the one with Wengophone was addedd by mistake
[02:56] <cavedon> Ampelbein:  tnx!
[02:57] <cavedon> ...if it is possible to remove one of the link....
[02:58] <BUGabundo> yes it is
[02:58] <Ampelbein> cavedon: invalidated the wengophone upstream task.
[02:59] <cavedon> ic, just marking it invalid
[02:59] <cavedon> BUGabundo, Ampelbein: thank you both
[02:59] <Ampelbein> cavedon: you're welcome
[03:22] <jtholmes> is nautilus suppose to exist as a choice on the accessories menu?
[03:22] <BUGabundo> jtholmes: ahh?
[03:23] <jtholmes> should there be a nautilus selection off the accessories menu
[03:23] <jtholmes> named file manager whatever
[03:23] <BUGabundo> not our decision
[03:23] <BUGabundo> its an upstream one
[03:24] <jtholmes> ok, i just dont see it, and i was trying to help someone with a bug
[03:24] <calc> are linux mint users supposed to be filing bugs in launchpad?
[03:24]  * calc doesn't know how that works
[03:25] <Stupendoussteve> Kubuntu has the File Manager application in the menu
[03:25] <BUGabundo> calc: don't they use LP as their BTS?
[03:25] <BUGabundo> but those bugs should be on mint project and not ubuntu
[03:25] <calc> ok
[03:25] <BUGabundo> unless the same package suffers from it, say OOo
[03:25] <jtholmes> Stupendoussteve, yes that was why i wondered, let me look at the QA test and see what it says
[03:26] <BUGabundo> calc: do we already have 3.1 ?
[03:26] <calc> no
[03:26] <jtholmes> about testing nautilus
[03:26] <calc> 3.1 is for karmic
[03:26] <BUGabundo> no PPA?
[03:26] <BUGabundo> I love the new deisgn
[03:27] <calc> nope its not even out yet
[03:27] <calc> rc2 just came out
[03:28] <calc> i'm trying to build it for karmic atm but there are a lot of build-deps missing from the archive at the moment
[03:28] <BUGabundo> yeah
[03:28] <BUGabundo> sync still hasn't kicked in AFAIK
[03:29] <calc> once i get it working on my system with the missing packages i will just upload and have it in dep-wait
[03:31] <BUGabundo> nice
[03:46] <BUGabundo> $ cd ~; $ sync; sudo pm-suspend
[06:43] <pwnguin> heh, how does mako have a karma of 3?
[06:45] <micahg1> what's the general response about unsupported software in new releases: see bug 348908
[06:45] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 348908 in firefox "Flash v9 crashes Firefox in Jaunty (beta)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/348908
[06:57] <savvas> micahg: if the crash is indeed by flash, and not by nsplugin-wrapper nor by firefox, then https://bugs.adobe.com/flashplayer/
[06:59] <micahg> well, I'm wondering since the person upgraded to jaunty, but didn't upgrade flash, if that's supportable, or not, the user already said they no longer have an issue
[06:59] <micahg> my question is more generalized
[07:00] <savvas> no idea :\
[07:01] <micahg> ok
[07:01] <savvas> maybe someone else knows, stick around
[07:01] <micahg> savvas: do people just come back to the screen, scroll up and answerR?
[07:02] <savvas> happened to me several times in #launchpad :)
[07:02] <micahg> ok
[07:02] <micahg> I have to go to sleep soon
[07:02] <micahg> I was trying to get newer firefox bugs out of the firefox source package
[07:02] <savvas> you can ask again afterwards I suppose hehe
[07:02] <micahg> and either respond or close them
[07:06] <micahg> is it worth moving a bug to the proper package when invalidating
[07:07] <micahg> Actually, I just found the answer to my original question
[07:07] <micahg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Bugs%20resolved%20after%20update%20or%20config%20change
[07:27] <micahg>  is it worth moving a bug to the proper package when invalidating
[08:07] <darizzle> are there any reports that say how many bugs are reported a day?
[11:52] <YoBoY> hi
[13:14] <jtholmes> who can tell me what package name handles the shutdown process, ie.  user selects shutdown from the FUSA  menu
[13:15] <gnomefreak> jtholmes: you too
[13:15] <gnomefreak> i just filed bug oin it
[13:15] <gnomefreak> s/oin/on
[13:16] <gnomefreak> jtholmes: Lp is having issues right now but i will get you bug id in a few minutes
[13:17] <gnomefreak> jtholmes: this is assuming your PC wont shut down itself
[13:17] <jtholmes> gnomefreak, no i am not having the problem i am trying to triage and need the pkg name as there are several bugs that have the same problem thanks the bug number would also be good
[13:17] <jtholmes> i am still running 8.10 on my lapt but 9.04 on other machines desktops
[13:18] <gnomefreak> jtholmes: bug 370305
[13:18] <jtholmes> thanks
[13:18] <ubot4`> gnomefreak: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out
[13:18] <gnomefreak> bug 370305
[13:18] <jtholmes> bug 370305
[13:18] <ubot4`> gnomefreak: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out
[13:18] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 370305 in ubuntu "Error while trying to shut down" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/370305
[13:19] <gnomefreak> ok thats just wrong :(
[13:19] <gnomefreak> jtholmes: i think its the kernel but not sure
[13:20] <jtholmes> dont know myself but there are several of them
[13:20] <jpds> It looks like HAL - looking at authorizations in System.
[13:20] <gnomefreak> jtholmes: if you get bug numbers please le tme know
[13:21] <jtholmes> gnomefreak, how about looking at 370273 and tell me if that is very similar to what you reported
[13:21] <gnomefreak> jpds: that is what i thought at first just not sure anymore
[13:21] <gnomefreak> jtholmes: ok
[13:22] <gnomefreak> jtholmes: no that is freezing on status bar mine is way after
[13:23] <jtholmes> ok thx
[13:23] <gnomefreak> np
[13:24] <jtholmes> gnomefreak, how about 370223
[13:24] <gnomefreak> thats the same
[13:25] <gnomefreak> sort of
[13:25] <jtholmes> ok thanks
[13:26] <gnomefreak> jtholmes: it looks like 2 separate bugs in his report. Mine doesnt hang on start up
[13:26] <jtholmes> ok
[13:26] <gnomefreak> an errors are not the same
[13:27] <gnomefreak> im thinking errors being the same would be dups. his may be caused by <something> and mine would be <something else> due to errors
[13:27] <gnomefreak> and he saw his on 8.10 mine started 9.04
[13:28] <jtholmes> jcastro are you busy
[14:30] <cprofitt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpid/+bug/302452
[14:30] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 302452 in acpid "jaunty and intrepid shutdown/restart hang on "acpid: exiting"" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[14:31] <cprofitt> I reported that my issue was with wireless... should I open a sep. bug report and give the specifics on that?
[14:34] <jtholmes> cprofitt, looks like you are not running a stock Ubuntu kernel is that correct
[14:34] <cprofitt> I am running the kernel that was installed
[14:34] <jtholmes> from what release of ubuntu
[14:35] <cprofitt> Linux Tardis 2.6.28-11-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 17 01:58:03 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[14:35] <cprofitt> Jaunty
[14:35] <cprofitt> 9.04
[14:36] <jtholmes> ok uname -a in the bug does not show Ubuntu SMP  it  shows  lightyear kernel
[14:36] <jtholmes> 2.6-27-10
[14:36] <jcastro> jtholmes: looking for me?
[14:36] <cprofitt> The bug was originally reported in Intrepid
[14:36] <cprofitt> and not originally by me
[14:37] <cprofitt> That is why I was curious if it would be of value to make a new bug report based on what I found
[14:37] <jtholmes> jcastro yes i had a question about two bugs i will contact u later thx
[14:37] <cprofitt> hey jcastro how are things going?
[14:37] <jcastro> hi cprofitt!
[14:38] <jcastro> jtholmes: ok, I will be on conference wifi all weekend so mail is best please.
[14:38]  * cprofitt smiles
[14:38] <cprofitt> conference wi-fi
[14:38] <cprofitt> that is always a joy
[14:39] <jtholmes> jcastro will do
[14:39] <cprofitt> jtholmes, I am also not sure that the other reports in that bug are related to what I found...
[14:40] <jtholmes> cprofitt, sorry i misread, however there are a slew of bug reports connected with wireless hibernate/suspend  shutdown etc. all related
[14:41] <cprofitt> Cool... I am more than willing to add to them...
[14:43] <cprofitt> do you have any links... I am searching on wireless shutdown and not getting any results -- which seems odd
[14:43] <jtholmes> search launchpad for hang on shutdown etc. see if you can add to one of them i was looking at one earlier but its number escapes me now
[14:43] <jtholmes> search for the pattern   wlan
[14:43] <cprofitt> k
[14:44] <cprofitt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/365733
[14:44] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 365733 in linux "Jaunty - Wireless issue causes laptop shutdown to hang indefinitely" [Undecided,New]
[14:44] <jtholmes> thats one of them
[14:44] <jtholmes> see what you can add to that or if it matches your situation
[14:45] <cprofitt> its close... but not the same wireless card....
[14:45] <jtholmes> there is a common problem and it appears to go back to at least 8.10
[14:45] <jtholmes> i dont think the type of wireless card matters
[14:46] <cprofitt> yeah...
[14:46] <cprofitt> it does go back to 8.10... got worse for me in 9.04
[14:47] <cprofitt> what information should I add to that report?
[14:47] <jtholmes> i am going ask that person to ifconfig  wlan0 down  to see if his results match yours
[14:47] <cprofitt> k
[14:47] <jtholmes> let me look at 365733 and maybe we can come up with a consensus as to what can be added
[14:48] <alice582> I'm using fglrx. If compiz is enabled, my computer does sometimes (totally randomly) freeze. nothing works then, no keyboard combination like CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE/DEL. Sometimes, short before the freeze I can still move my mouse, but not click on anything. I still here the music playing. Any idea what could cause this?
[14:49] <jtholmes> cprofitt, any idea what he means 'if radio on'
[14:49] <cprofitt> He may be shutting it off in bios or with the Fn+F5 combo
[14:51] <jtholmes> cprofitt, do u also have a wired conn avail
[14:53] <jtholmes> alice ask in #ubuntu
[14:53] <jtholmes> alice582, pls ask in #ubuntu
[14:53] <alice582> jtholmes, I did.
[14:53] <jtholmes> k
[14:54] <cprofitt> jtholmes, not right now...
[14:54] <BUGabundo> good afternoon
[14:54] <cprofitt> I am watching the two younger children and am out of the office... but I can take a look at it later
[14:55] <alice582> jtholmes, but no one replies there. channel is too busy. and as this is obviously a bug, why not ask it here?
[14:56] <BUGabundo> alice582: this chanel is meant to help debug already existing bugs
[14:56] <BUGabundo> and coordinate triagers
[14:56] <cprofitt> jtholmes, if you point me to the right page or give me some ideas I can follow them once my wife comes home...
[14:56] <BUGabundo> alice582: if every one that can't be on #ubuntu made its way here, this channel would be unusable
[14:57] <BUGabundo> alice582: either try #ubuntu again, ubuntuforums, or open a bug on LP, and let it be triage
[14:57] <alice582> k
[14:57] <BUGabundo> alice582: sorry for the extra trouble
[14:58] <jtholmes> cprofitt, i dont have any wireless to test, perphaps you could duplicate his test with wired and verify, when u can that would be my suggestion  it appears that i will have to pick up a wireless card for testing
[14:58] <BUGabundo>  !dontzap | alice582
[14:58] <ubot4`> alice582: To re-enable the Ctrl+Alt+Backspace combination that restarts your X server, you can install the "dontzap" package and use the command « sudo dontzap --disable ». The combination Alt+SysRq+K can also be used to obtain a similar effect.
[14:58] <alice582> BUGabundo, oh, it is disabled by default?
[14:59] <BUGabundo> alice582: yes, upstream policy
[15:00] <cprofitt> jtholmes, my situation matches his on my T500, but not on my T42p
[15:00] <alice582> BUGabundo, and what's the SysRq key? is it CTRL?
[15:00] <cprofitt> I am more looking for what kind of information to attach...
[15:00] <cprofitt> lspci -vv, dmesg, etc.
[15:00] <jtholmes> cprofitt, well put that down as verification
[15:01] <cprofitt> k
[15:01] <jtholmes> cprofitt, going for breakfast before OpenWeek classes resume, later thx
[15:02] <cprofitt> have a good day jtholmes
[15:09] <hggdh> alice582, unfortunately the sysreq key combination varies with machines. For me (for example, it is (Alt/PrintScreen, Alt/someKey)
[15:10] <hggdh> i.e., with Alt pressed, I then press PrintScreen and -- say -- 'h' to see a summary help
[15:10] <alice582> hggdh, when I do that, it brings up a screenshot saving window :(
[15:12] <hggdh> alice582, if you are under X you will not see any messages (but the sysreq will still work). The best way to find out what is your magic key combination is to go to VT1 (Ctrl/Alt/F1), and keep on trying there
[15:13] <hggdh> alice582, it will be a conbimation of Ctrl Alt, Fn (if you have such a key) *plus* the PrintScreen *or* SysReq key, *plus* a letter. *ONLY* try the letter 'h' right now
[15:15] <hggdh> of course, you could also try looking at the keyboard map to find which key combination would map. But I never had the patience to do so.
[15:16] <hggdh> hum. I retract myself. Just tried it under X (my magic key combination), and also got the screen shooter. Interesting
[15:18] <alice582> hggdh, I did it in tty1 and I get a kernel message SysRq: show memory... but nothing else.
[15:19] <hggdh> alice582, which letter did you use?
[15:19] <alice582> hggdh, ALT+PRINT+M
[15:21] <hggdh> ah well. I *did* ask you to only use H, did I not?
[15:21] <hggdh> but you got your SysReq combination
[15:21] <alice582> sorry
[15:21] <hggdh> Alt/Print
[15:21] <hggdh> (will have to reboot. Be back in 5)
[15:22] <alice582> doesn't do anything.
[15:22] <alice582> okay
[15:36] <alice582> wb hggdh
[15:39] <hggdh> alice582, I am also surprised the magic key is being trapped under X
[15:39] <hggdh> will have to look more at that
[15:39] <alice582> hggdh, any idea why I only get kernel messages, but not the actual functionality?
[15:40] <hggdh> Also had a quick look at it -- the magic-related messages appeared in the syslog, but *not* in the vt1
[15:40] <hggdh> weird. Not sure why.
[15:43] <alice582> well, you're the bug guy. seems like you have something new to fix :p
[15:44] <hggdh> heh. I am not the bug person, I am just one more helping
[15:45] <hggdh> but -- under X, it seems one has to get terminal control off X
[15:45] <hggdh> this will be <sysreq> r
[15:45] <hggdh> do not do it
[15:45] <hggdh> alice582, do *not* try it now!
[15:46] <hggdh> alice582, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key for a reference
[15:47] <alice582> ok, thanks
[15:51] <alice582> bbl
[16:07] <Hew> In regards to traces in private bug reports, what is information such as "\022\233\006\b\220Ás·2", is it some sort of encoding?
[16:12] <jtholmes> hew since none of the numbers are >7 is appears to be an octal dump of something
[16:13] <jtholmes> hew although it could be hex it appears to be binary
[16:14] <Hew> Thanks jtholmes, that makes sense :-)
[16:17] <hggdh> usually a backspace followed by 3 digits, all less than 8, is an octal
[16:18] <jtholmes> yep
[16:18] <hggdh> and we see a '\b', which is probably a backspace
[16:19] <hggdh> (i.e., the symbolic equivalent of the numerical value of a backspace)
[17:13] <alex_mayorga> can anyone please revisit https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/213171
[17:13] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 213171 in xorg "[i830] Unable to install with GUI on Fujitsu Lifebook C7651" [Unknown,In progress]
[17:15] <alex_mayorga> am I doing wrong adding my comments on that one?
[17:17] <charlie-tca> Debian just released the fix, so it will take a little while to get to us.
[17:18] <hggdh> alex_mayorga, seems pertinent
[17:18] <charlie-tca> the bug report is still active, though. If that is the problem you are having, it is good to add to it
[17:18] <alex_mayorga> anything else I might throw in to help get it fixed?
[17:19] <charlie-tca> Debian thinks they already fixed it. It just takes time to get to Ubuntu now
[17:22] <alex_mayorga> can anyone more seasoned tell me if theres a workaround? Info in the debian and fredesktop are way above my league :S
[17:28] <hggdh> alex_mayorga, it seems Debian is using version 2:2.1.99, while we have version 2:2.7.0 in Jaunty. So... it will be complex
[17:28] <hggdh> (Debian is way behind in version)
[17:28] <hggdh> wait
[17:28] <alex_mayorga> of the intel driver, you mean?
[17:28] <hggdh> darn
[17:29] <hggdh> a
[17:29] <hggdh> the Debian bug was closed in 2007
[17:29] <hggdh> has not much to do with us now
[17:30] <alex_mayorga> bit dated IMHO
[17:30] <hggdh> yes
[17:31] <hggdh> so...
[17:31] <alex_mayorga> well let me know with anything I can contribute
[17:31] <hggdh> what Bryce said hold true
[17:31] <alex_mayorga> I have the buggy laptop just an ssh away
[17:33] <alex_mayorga> I might as well be the community person to step in, but have no much clue
[17:33] <hggdh> (be back soon)
[17:33] <jtholmes> what is the package name that controls the wired network like  eth0, eth1 ...
[17:35] <hggdh> one option would be to offer a back-level intel driver, I think. But i do not know it is even possible
[17:37] <charlie-tca> jtholmes: still network-manager
[17:38] <d1b> the lenny driver is not any better than the 8.10 driver (intel). + there are still issues in both ubuntu + debian / linux kernel with older pentium m's and "random" crashing due to speedswitch.
[17:38] <d1b> i wonder if these are related ...
[17:45] <hggdh> charlie-tca, hi -- you run KDE, right?
[17:45] <charlie-tca> no, Xfce
[17:45] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu
[17:46] <hggdh> oh
[17:46] <hggdh> OK
[17:46] <charlie-tca> nixternal is kde
[17:46]  * hggdh will stay clear of KDE until the wireless plasmoid gets to work
[17:47] <hggdh> but... it is time to get back to xfce ;-)
[17:47] <hggdh> be back soon
[18:06] <jtholmes> charlie-tca, thanks
[18:06] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[18:18] <alex_mayorga> hggdh, who should I bring the intel driver to?
[18:19]  * sbeattie looks at the number of duplicates on bug 339148 and cringes.
[18:19] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 339148 in gnome-app-install "gnome-app-install crashed with ValueError in _refilter()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/339148
[18:25] <hggdh> alex_mayorga, there is not much to be done here, unless to add a comment asking if a previous version of the driver can be made available. Bryce already stated that what is needed is a volunteer
[18:29] <hggdh> sbeattie, at this point in time this bug can very much be confirmed, correct?
[18:30] <sbeattie> hggdh: yes, definitely, based on the number of duplicates.
[18:30] <hggdh> sbeattie, I just tried it here -- no crash
[18:30] <hggdh> can you try it also?
[18:32] <sbeattie> hggdh: I can't reproduce either, but right now I only have the jaunty-proposed version of gnome-app-install easily accessible.
[18:34] <hggdh> sbeattie, I just updated it to incomplete/High, and asked for tests (for those that enabled -proposed)
[18:34] <sbeattie> hggdh: thanks!
[18:34]  * hggdh also only has -proposed
[18:35] <hggdh> perhaps mvo's change on the search issue also resolved it, sounds slightly similar
[18:38] <elena09> hello
[18:39] <sbeattie> hggdh: yeah, that's what I was wondering as well.
[18:39] <hggdh> heh. Just added another duplicate to it ...
[18:42] <elena09> Disk usage analyzer in Ubuntu 9.04 (upgraded from 8.10 which I installed with Wubi) gives me strange information
[18:43] <elena09> That I have a capacity of 294 GB, but my HDD has only 160 GB
[18:44] <elena09> yes, filesystem capacity: 294 GB
[18:46] <jtholmes> charlie-tca, need some info pls
[18:47] <charlie-tca> sure, if I know
[18:47] <hggdh> elena09, where/how do yourun this programme? (I mean I have no idea where to find it)
[18:47] <elena09> Do you mean Wubi?
[18:48] <hggdh> elena09, if you are under Wubi, then I cannot help you. Please open a bug on it... I never used Wubi
[18:48] <jtholmes> i am not use to apports output can u peek at #369385 and tell me if the information on that bug is the std apport output
[18:48] <elena09> Wubi installs Ubuntu for Windows users. I had and still have Windows xp installed on my desktop, soon get rid of it, it's my intention
[18:48] <hggdh> bug 369385
[18:48] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 369385 in ubuntu "I CAN NOT OPERATE MY LEXMARK 730 PRINTER ??" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/369385
[18:49] <elena09> Wubi installer
[18:49] <hggdh> elena09, this is the point. I do not have windows
[18:49] <charlie-tca> jtholmes: looks right for a printer bug.
[18:49] <elena09> ok
[18:49] <charlie-tca> should be assigned to cups
[18:50] <jtholmes> charlie-tca, well can u tell if it was filed using apport
[18:50] <charlie-tca> But I think I would convert to a question, myself
[18:50] <charlie-tca> Normally tags: apport-bug and the format it is in
[18:50] <hggdh> but try to find out if this printer is listed on http://www.linuxprinting.org
[18:50] <elena09> Is there a powerfull command in the Ubuntu terminal which could show me the status of the parts of my PC, including HDD?
[18:51] <jtholmes> charlie-tca, ok thx i will handle it
[18:51] <hggdh> elena09, what do you want to look at? There are vaious different commands to do that
[18:51] <charlie-tca> Obviously trying to make it work like windows, installing the disk.
[18:51] <sbeattie> jtholmes: it looks like it was filed via apport against firefox?
[18:51] <hggdh> jtholmes, please see my note above
[18:51] <elena09> Let's say my HDD
[18:51] <elena09> it's size, free space etc
[18:51] <hggdh> elena09, 'df -a', for example
[18:52] <hggdh> (without the quotes)
[18:52] <elena09> Let me try it...
[18:52] <jtholmes> sbeattie, that was what i was trying to asertain since i am not yet familiar with apport outputs
[18:52] <jtholmes> hggdh right i also have some questions for the reporter
[18:52] <jtholmes> other questions
[18:53] <hggdh> jtholmes, thank you for your help. We appreciate it
[18:53] <jtholmes> good way to learn
[18:53] <sbeattie> jtholmes: you might ask him to do 'apport-collect -p cups 369385" as there are printing specific apport hooks.
[18:54] <jtholmes> sbeattie, that is the kind of info in wanted and will keep around in my notes, thanks
[18:54] <jtholmes> s/in/I
[18:55] <bdmurray> Its in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPrintingProblems too
[18:55] <bdmurray> i.e. that note if you will
[18:56] <elena09> I typed df -a in the Terminal and it gave me a lot of complicate information. May I ask you to have a look on pastebin?
[18:56] <hggdh> elena09, yes, please pastebin it
[18:56] <elena09> http://paste.ubuntu.com/162383/
[18:57] <BUGabundo> apw: ogasawara: ping
[18:57] <BUGabundo> apw: ogasawara: http://paste.ubuntu.com/162382/
[18:57] <BUGabundo> apw: ogasawara: my boot is showing a trace. and its on kernel.log too
[18:58] <hggdh> elena09, yes, your root partition is ~13G in size, your "master" disk -- the Windows disk -- is ~143G in size. So... we need a bug opened on that
[18:58] <apw> BUGabundo, get that in a bug
[18:58] <BUGabundo> apw: will do
[18:58] <hggdh> elena09, please add this 'df -a' output to the bug, and also a screenshot of the erroneous information.
[18:59] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: you may also want to try booting with the irqpoll option
[18:59] <elena09> ok, but where? is there a link?
[18:59] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: "irq 17: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option)"
[19:00] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: ok
[19:01] <hggdh> elena09, click on Help/Reporting a Problem
[19:02] <hggdh> (I guess. Again, I am not familiar with wubi)
[19:02] <BUGabundo> hggdh: AFAIK that's not an option there
[19:02] <hggdh> heh
[19:02] <hggdh> then how do wubi users report issues?
[19:03] <BUGabundo> lp directly ?
[19:03] <BUGabundo> apw: ogasawara: my right sid usb ports are acting slow too.. even after reboot
[19:03] <BUGabundo> 3G modem wouldn't connect, mouse is slugish!
[19:04] <elena09> A window opened, collected information and asked me to describe the problem shortly
[19:04] <BUGabundo> old bug, but seem to reappered today
[19:04] <BUGabundo> apw: ogasawara: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/370481
[19:04] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 370481 in linux "Call Trace because of  IRQ #17" [Undecided,New]
[19:05] <hggdh> elena09, good
[19:05] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: so I just add "irqpoll" to the kernel options?
[19:06] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: yes
[19:06] <BUGabundo> okay
[19:06] <BUGabundo> rebooting
[19:09] <elena09> Is it ok? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/370487
[19:09] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 370487 in ubuntu "df -a contradicts reality" [Undecided,New]
[19:11] <hggdh> I like the title, for starts
[19:12] <hggdh> elena09, this is good, but you forgot to show what the problem is
[19:12] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: still getting it
[19:12] <elena09> what? I am so ignorant..
[19:12] <BUGabundo> adding apport-collect to the bug
[19:12] <hggdh> (i.e., 294G reported on (somewhere), against the df -a output)
[19:13] <hggdh> elena09, ^^
[19:13] <elena09> Can I edit it and change it?
[19:14] <hggdh> elena09, you can edit the description, yes. Please also add (if the wrong data is graphical) a screenshot
[19:14] <elena09> And why does it say Amd 64 in the right when I have an Intel Pentium 4?
[19:15] <BUGabundo> elena09: historical reasons
[19:16] <elena09> so that's not important...
[19:16] <BUGabundo> elena09: amd was the 1st to produce a hibrid 64 and 32 CPU
[19:16] <elena09> So, what should I write exactly?
[19:16] <BUGabundo> intel had separate archs
[19:17] <hggdh> elena09, on being ignorant: we all started ignorants. But we can learn... please do not worry about that, you will learn
[19:17] <elena09> ok, what should I write in the summary?
[19:18] <hggdh> elena09, your issue, as you perceive it
[19:18] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: anything else?? usb ports seem fine after the 3rd reboot
[19:19] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: might be useful to attach the dmesg output for when you used irqpoll but still saw the stack trace
[19:19] <BUGabundo> oky. uploading now... doesn't apport attach it ?
[19:20] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: ubuntu-bug attached your original dmesg info, but not when you used irqpoll
[19:20] <BUGabundo> ahh strange
[19:20] <BUGabundo> though it would get the same logs again
[19:21] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: done. dmesg uploaded
[19:22] <elena09> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/370487 Is it ok?
[19:22] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 370487 in ubuntu "df -a contradicts reality" [Undecided,New]
[19:23] <hggdh> elena09, what a bout the screenshot of disk usage analyser?
[19:23] <hggdh> this is the only missing piece, and corroborates your claim
[19:23] <elena09> ok, but how can I get such a screen shot?
[19:24] <hggdh> how do you run the disk space analyser?
[19:24] <elena09> Applications-Accesories
[19:24] <hggdh> elena09, BTW -- the title does not really match the bug: df is correct, it is the disk space analyser that is incorrect
[19:24] <elena09> a second please..
[19:25]  * BUGabundo thinks elena09 is getting a crash course on Linux Destop and bug filling
[19:26] <hggdh> :-)
[19:28] <elena09> I took a screen shot but how can I post it in the bug window?
[19:28] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: anything I can do add extra input on Bug 366629 ?
[19:28] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 366629 in grub "grub wont accept vga=360" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/366629
[19:29] <hggdh> elena09, save the screenshot to disk; then, on the bug, click on "add a comment/attachment", and add the screenshot as an attachment
[19:30] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: if you wanted, you could also test the latest upstream to confirm if the issue remains - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMainlineBuilds
[19:30] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: additionally, I assume this recently started happening?
[19:30] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: to fix the irqpoll ?
[19:30] <BUGabundo> I just noticed it today
[19:30] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: had you recently updated?  if so from which kernel?
[19:31] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: update?
[19:31] <BUGabundo> no new updates in the last 4 days
[19:31] <BUGabundo> using dtchen kernel
[19:31] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: so not a stock kernel?
[19:31] <BUGabundo> after I saw the call back, I used .11 stock and reproduce it
[19:31] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: bug was filled with stock kernel
[19:32] <BUGabundo> not crazy enough to nag you with non common stuff
[19:33] <ogasawara> BUGabundo:  you mentioned you noticed it today, could you check your /var/log/kern.log backlogs to see if it had been happening with earlier kernels?
[19:33] <BUGabundo> sure. let me grep it
[19:35] <elena09> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/370487  What about now?
[19:35] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 370487 in ubuntu "df -a contradicts reality" [Undecided,New]
[19:36] <hggdh> elena09, perfect. Thank you
[19:36] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: older (dtchen kernel) have it too
[19:36]  * BUGabundo gives a bugcontrol honorary badge to elena09
[19:36] <elena09> Ok:)
[19:37] <elena09> May I tell you about Log viewer too?
[19:38] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: ok, so I'm going to assume not a regression
[19:38] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: as far as 26 of march
[19:39] <BUGabundo> no older logs to check
[19:39] <BUGabundo> but funny thing i never noticed it before
[19:39] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: do you have any older kernel still installed?
[19:39] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: might be interesting to boot back into one
[19:39] <BUGabundo> guess it was the vga?
[19:39] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: no. only .11 and .12 dtchen
[19:40] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: vga? had you made other changes to the system?
[19:40] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: the kernel option to increase frame buffer VGA size
[19:40] <BUGabundo> Bug 366629
[19:40] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 366629 in grub "grub wont accept vga=360" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/366629
[19:41] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: laptop... no hw changes
[19:41] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: if you could add all these little bits of info to the bug that would be good as well
[19:42] <BUGabundo> what bits ogasawara? the old date and vga option?
[19:42] <hggdh> elena09, what about Log viewer?
[19:43] <elena09> System Administration Lo file Viewer:  You don't have enough permissions to read the file"   The file is /var/log/btmp which is sticked there up, doesn't matter what I click in the left panel
[19:44] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: bug updated
[19:45] <hggdh> elena09, try File/Close, and then try a new log file
[19:52] <elena09> I did it, /var/log/btmp is still stucked above. When I click on the files from the left panel, they open. But above it says I don't have permission to read the file
[19:58] <elena09> I don't know what happened in the room
[19:58] <BUGabundo> elena09: netsplit
[19:58] <hggdh> a problem with freenode
[19:58] <elena09> I see
[19:58] <BUGabundo> on server got disconected from the rest
[19:58] <elena09> well, now it's ok
[19:58] <BUGabundo> so every user on that server stop seeing everyone else
[19:59] <hggdh> elena09, click on Help/About -- what version do you see?
[19:59] <elena09> Pidgin 2.5.5
[20:00] <BUGabundo> hggdh: I rather see apt-cache policy
[20:00] <BUGabundo> elena09: apt-cache policy pidgin
[20:00] <BUGabundo> pastebin of couse
[20:01] <elena09> what's that, a new command?
[20:01] <hggdh> elena09, on a terminal, type 'apt-cache policy gnome-utils'
[20:01] <BUGabundo> eheh
[20:01] <BUGabundo> still a lot to learn
[20:01] <elena09> ok
[20:01] <hggdh> and pastebin
[20:01] <BUGabundo> elena09: when you have sleepless nights: $ man apt
[20:01] <BUGabundo> $ man apt-cache
[20:02] <BUGabundo> elena09: apt-cache reads it info from apt DB on your system
[20:03] <BUGabundo> some commands are "policy", that lists the version you have and available; "show" that lists all info of the package, etc
[20:03] <elena09> I typed both commands ...
[20:04] <BUGabundo> here is another usefull one
[20:04] <BUGabundo> $ sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[20:04] <BUGabundo> that will allow you to upload stuff to pastebin
[20:04] <BUGabundo> so
[20:04] <BUGabundo> elena09: $ apt-cache policy pidgin | pastebinit
[20:05] <hggdh> oops
[20:05] <hggdh> not pidgin, but gnome-utils
[20:05] <hggdh> elena09, ^^
[20:06] <elena09> ok
[20:06] <elena09> a second..
[20:07] <BUGabundo> hggdh: eheh lol
[20:07] <BUGabundo> elena09: $ apt-cache policy gnome-utils | pastebinit
[20:07] <BUGabundo> for copy & paste on terminal ctrl+c/v gets replaced by ctrl+shift+c/v
[20:08] <BUGabundo> because ctrl+c is historically for Break/kill app
[20:08] <BUGabundo> here is another free tip: select any text with mouse (don't use Copy) and use the mouse wheel click to paste it
[20:09] <BUGabundo> ehehe so few user know that! and when on wind I keep trying to use it
[20:09] <hggdh> pn Windows I keep typing 'ls' and other abominations (for Windows)
[20:11] <elena09> http://paste.ubuntu.com/162427/ see ..
[20:12] <BUGabundo> heehhe
[20:12] <elena09> thanks for the tips, I have to practice them
[20:12] <elena09> what?
[20:13] <elena09> what's  apt DB ?
[20:15] <elena09> strange
[20:15] <elena09> nickserv said that my nickname is registered already or something
[20:18] <elena09> hello agin
[20:18] <elena09> again
[20:19] <elena09> something happened
[20:19] <elena09> I must go
[20:19] <elena09> Bye for today
[20:20] <BUGabundo> ehe
[20:20] <BUGabundo> that was fast
[20:35] <askand> Can someone please give bug 355155 an importancelevel?
[20:35] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 355155 in linux "Computer hard locks randomly with ubuntu jaunty" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/355155
[20:39] <jtholmes> askand, there are several of the same vintage and I am sure the devs are aware of the overall problem
[20:39] <jtholmes> i cant bump the importance
[20:40] <askand> jtholmes: great thanks, I was a bit worried since the people assigned to the bug has not touched the bug in about a month
[20:47] <hggdh> who is the assignee?
[20:48] <jtholmes> i closed the bug window dont know
[20:48] <jtholmes> jon charge
[20:49] <hggdh> I was looking at his bugs -- he has 40 bugs assigned to him, all around the spectrum
[20:49] <jtholmes> and actually the bug has been looked at in the last 12 hrs
[20:49] <jtholmes> correction comment made in last 12 hrs
[20:50] <bdmurray> hggdh: he's a new triager I believe, maybe contacting him is a good idea
[20:50] <hggdh> bdmurray, yes, I think he is assigning triage bugs to himself
[20:50] <hggdh> will do
[20:50] <bdmurray> hggdh: great, thanks!
[20:51] <jtholmes> bdmurray does assigned to mean he is responsible for the fix
[20:51] <hggdh> jtholmes, yes, or that the assignee is actively working on it
[20:51] <bdmurray> jtholmes: assignment is meant to convey that you are working on fixing the bug which doesn't seem to be the case here
[20:52] <jtholmes> good needed clarification
[20:52] <bdmurray> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Assignment
[20:52] <jtholmes> thx
[20:54] <hggdh> no, he is not assigning himself to traige bugs, I was wrong. Only one currently assigned to him is this one. Nevertheless I will ask him why.
[20:54] <jtholmes> bdmurray there are several exactly like this one
[20:57] <cprofitt> anyone know what the issue is with apport-collect
[20:57] <bdmurray> What issue is that?
[20:57] <cprofitt> I get the following message when I try to run it
[20:57] <cprofitt> Please install the package "python-launchpadlib"
[20:57] <cprofitt> but there is no such package
[20:58] <bdmurray> cprofitt: it's in universe do you have it enabled?
[20:58] <cprofitt> checking
[20:58] <cprofitt> yes
[20:58] <hggdh> jtholmes, the bug is now unassigned, and back to the pool
[20:58] <BUGabundo> cprofitt: $ apt-cache policy python-launchpadlib
[20:58] <askand> jtholmes: do you mean there are several other bugs about freezing?
[20:58] <BUGabundo> hggdh: pool? we have a pool?
[20:58] <cprofitt> python-launchpadlib:
[20:58] <cprofitt>   Installed: (none)
[20:58] <cprofitt>   Candidate: 0.2~bzr35-0ubuntu1
[20:58] <cprofitt>   Version table:
[20:58] <cprofitt>      0.2~bzr35-0ubuntu1 0
[20:58] <cprofitt>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
[20:59]  * BUGabundo stops trying to make stupid jokes
[20:59] <BUGabundo>  !paste | cprofitt
[20:59] <ubot4`> cprofitt: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[20:59] <bdmurray> cprofitt: How were you trying to install it?
[20:59] <hggdh> BUGabundo, there are pools everywhere. I myself have one at home
[20:59] <hggdh> ;-)
[20:59]  * bdmurray has no pool
[20:59] <cprofitt> apt-get install
[20:59] <BUGabundo> lucky bastard! :)
[20:59] <jtholmes> hggdh, ah
[20:59] <bdmurray> cprofitt: it really should work
[20:59] <jtholmes> askand, yes quite a few with that general problem
[20:59] <BUGabundo> cprofitt: $ sudo apt-get install python-launchpadlib
[20:59] <BUGabundo>  ! sudo | cprofitt
[20:59] <ubot4`> cprofitt: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (Gnome, XFCE), or !kdesudo (KDE)
[21:00] <hggdh> askand, AFAICR yes, there seems to be a problem, perhaps related to X
[21:00] <cprofitt> is BUGabundo a bot?
[21:00] <hggdh> yes
[21:00] <cprofitt> k
[21:00] <jtholmes> yes
[21:00] <BUGabundo> cprofitt: I can be known as one
[21:00] <hggdh> AI bot
[21:00] <BUGabundo> but I'm not
[21:00] <hggdh> and it passes the Turing test
[21:00] <BUGabundo> but that deservs a RT to µblogs
[21:00] <hggdh> (one one to succeed)
[21:01] <hggdh> :-)
[21:01] <BUGabundo> sent
[21:01] <askand> jtholmes: hggdh: yes its a big problem, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1135055 so far in that thread ~50 different people on different setups get hard freezes. Should we mark some duplicates to get this into one place?
[21:01] <BUGabundo> cprofitt: http://identi.ca/notice/3867425
[21:02] <BUGabundo> cprofitt: giving you extra info is bad??
[21:02] <jtholmes> askand, those that i ran across today needed more info so i asked for it so no cant mark dups with lack of info but i didnt run across every one of them
[21:02] <hggdh> askand, the problem is correctly identifying what is duplicate of what
[21:03] <askand> hggdh: agreed
[21:03] <jtholmes> hggdh, exactly
[21:03] <BUGabundo> could be FS, board support, GPU, etc
[21:03] <BUGabundo> remember the ext4 bug, and intel one
[21:03] <jtholmes> when the reporter says my desktop freezes and gives  uname -a  theere needs to be more info
[21:03] <BUGabundo> the intel forked into 3 diff bugs
[21:04] <BUGabundo> start asking $ apport-collect -p linux BUGID && apport-collect -p xorg BUGID
[21:04] <askand> we get freezes regardless of FS and GPU at least
[21:04] <jtholmes> will do thanks
[21:05] <BUGabundo> askand: compiz too...
[21:06] <jtholmes> i grabbed a very good dialog on one of the bugs from a dev and it asks several great questions but did not have the apport-collect cmds
[21:07] <BUGabundo> jtholmes: apport-collect is still new
[21:07] <BUGabundo> and doesn't have all the hooks to make it perfect
[21:07] <BUGabundo> then again a dev can ask EXACLTY what s/he wants without all the noise that apport can give
[21:07] <BUGabundo> but apport makes it easier for many devs
[21:08] <jtholmes> yes i asked several reporters to run the apport-collect when the info was sparce
[21:08] <cprofitt> so... not apport-collect runs... but gets an unauthorized message
[21:08] <cprofitt> s/not/now
[21:08] <bdmurray> cprofitt: remove ~/.cache/apport/launchpad.credentials and try again
[21:09] <BUGabundo> bdmurray: remove or rename?
[21:09] <cprofitt> thanks
[21:09] <cprofitt> knew it had to be somewhere
[21:10] <bdmurray> BUGabundo: remove it'll go through the authorization process again
[21:10] <cprofitt> nice tool bddebian
[21:10] <bdmurray> You need to give it write permissions for it to work
[21:10] <cprofitt> grr... auto complete failure
[21:10] <BUGabundo> ehehehe
[21:10] <cprofitt> nice tool bdmurray
[21:10] <BUGabundo> mibbit?
[21:10] <bddebian> Happens a lot :)
[21:10] <cprofitt> no xchat
[21:11] <BUGabundo> hey bddebian did I miss the Boo today?
[21:11] <BUGabundo> cprofitt: doesn't xchat iterate available nicks?
[21:11] <bddebian> BUGabundo: Nah, I was already attached :)
[21:12] <cprofitt> it does BUGabundo but if you do not expect more than one...
[21:12] <cprofitt> you can hit tab to early and continue your post
[21:12] <cprofitt> particularly when you end with the name...
[21:15] <cprofitt> so the shutdown hangs are what you guys were discussing?
[21:16] <cprofitt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/302452
[21:16] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 302452 in linux "jaunty and intrepid shutdown/restart hang on "acpid: exiting"" [Medium,Triaged]
[21:16] <cprofitt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/365733
[21:16] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 365733 in linux "Jaunty - Wireless issue causes laptop shutdown to hang indefinitely" [High,Confirmed]
[21:17] <BUGabundo> humm I have does
[21:17] <BUGabundo> damn there goes my regime of no new bugs
[21:18] <askand> cprofitt: bug 355155 ::)
[21:18] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 355155 in linux "Computer hard locks randomly with ubuntu jaunty" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/355155
[21:18] <jtholmes> one bug like the above ^^  issued  ifconfig wlan0 down before shutting down and had no problems
[21:18]  * cprofitt goes to look
[21:19] <askand> cprofitt: if you are interested there are a thread about the issue in the forums too http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1135055
[21:19] <cprofitt> not a nice one...
[21:19] <cprofitt> I have nvidia on my desktop...
[21:20] <askand> I think I read somewhere that this issue was not in beta and earlier, it was introduced with a kernelupgrade and stayed for the final
[21:21] <bdmurray> cprofitt: are you going to use apport-collect with 365733?
[21:21] <cprofitt> I can...
[21:22] <cprofitt> bdmurray, done
[21:24] <cprofitt> bdmurray, was it supposed to collect more data than the text it posted?
[21:24] <bdmurray> cprofitt: 'apport-collect -p linux-$(uname -r)' would be more helpful sorry about that
[21:24] <BUGabundo> bdmurray: forgot the bugid at the end
[21:24] <cprofitt> bdmurray, where do I put the number in that ?
[21:24] <cprofitt> end?
[21:24] <BUGabundo> cprofitt: end
[21:25] <BUGabundo> $ apport-collect -p linux-$(uname -r) BUGID
[21:26] <cprofitt> that did not appear to add any more...
[21:27] <BUGabundo> just added mine
[21:27] <BUGabundo> to bug 302452
[21:27] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 302452 in linux "jaunty and intrepid shutdown/restart hang on "acpid: exiting"" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/302452
[21:27] <jtholmes> cprofitt, arent 302452 and 365733 just about the same?
[21:28] <cprofitt> yes, but last night it was recommended that I keep them sep... since the earlier one looked to potentially be caused by other things...
[21:28] <cprofitt> I felt I should mark as a dup... but was advised not too...
[21:29] <jtholmes> cprofitt, so does  ifconfig wlan0 down  the workaround for both, for you that is
[21:29] <cprofitt> Well... I only have one issue... with 9.04
[21:30] <cprofitt> I had an occasional issue with 8.10
[21:30] <cprofitt> but would have to go back to 8.10 to test...
[21:30] <cprofitt> there was a person in the other bug that confirmed the ifconfig wlan0 down works for him
[21:30] <cprofitt> I feel they are duplicates myself...
[21:31] <cprofitt> but I am a grasshopper not a master of bug triage yet
[21:35] <jtholmes> bug 369757
[21:35] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 369757 in ubuntu "hibernate does not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/369757
[21:35] <BUGabundo> let me guess small swap?
[21:35] <jtholmes> another one of those that does black screen on shutdown
[21:35] <BUGabundo> or is it on resume ?
[21:35] <jtholmes> on shutdown or sw user
[21:36] <jtholmes> i will handle it if u can tell me if it is pm-utils or  xorg
[21:36] <hggdh> cprofitt, we are all grasshoppers here, but the grass is tall
[21:36] <BUGabundo> jtholmes: ask for apport-collect -p linux BUGID
[21:37] <jtholmes> ok will do
[21:39] <cprofitt> lol
[21:42] <jtholmes> cprofitt, is your problem on a laptop
[21:42] <cprofitt> yes
[21:42] <cprofitt> T500
[21:42] <cprofitt> Lenovo
[21:43] <jtholmes> one of the devs asked the reported if he/she was on a laptop
[21:44] <jtholmes> i wonder if the majority of desktop freezes black screens etc. are on laptops, as i have had zero problems there on desktops and i havent upgraded my lap to 9.04 yet
[21:45] <BUGabundo> jtholmes: so nauty! time to upgrade
[21:48] <jtholmes> wellllll  not so fast too many problems with the video so i will remain comfortable on 8.10 for a bit  ;)
[21:50] <jtholmes> but i am running it on 3 diff desktops and like it just fine
[21:51] <BUGabundo> hehe
[22:09] <BUGabundo> Bug 332945 still going? I may have to unsub it!
[22:09] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 332945 in null "[Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/332945
[22:25] <BUGabundo> not nice! hard lock! on a stable system! :(
[22:25] <BUGabundo> nothing on logs for an untrained eye
[22:26] <BUGabundo> bug ogasawara no longer see a call trace for irqpoll on logs after fsck and reboot