| mdke | comes from the CC memberhsip I think | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| mdke | Matthew East → Ubuntu Community Council → Kubuntu Members → Kubuntu Bugs → Kubuntu Users | 00:00 |
| mdke | slightly odd structure, but still | 00:01 |
| dsas_ | mdke: my ubuntu membership has recently lapsed. Is there a process to follow to get it renewed? | 00:04 |
| mdke | dsas_: it's autorenewable, but I think if it lapses, perhaps you lose that opportunity | 00:05 |
| mdke | I'll just readd you | 00:05 |
| dsas_ | mdke: I kept putting off renewing myself and now I can't as I'm not a member. | 00:06 |
| dsas_ | mdke: thanks | 00:06 |
| mdke | done | 00:06 |
| saketh | hi | 01:02 |
| saketh | does anyone know how I can find out who my mentor is? | 01:02 |
| saketh | hello? | 01:03 |
| philip_ | mentor for what? | 01:03 |
| saketh | for the doc mentor program... | 01:05 |
| saketh | i dont have an account | 01:05 |
| saketh | and i kinda wanna upload something | 01:05 |
| saketh | to the launchpad repos | 01:05 |
| philip_ | sorry, i don't know how that works | 01:05 |
| saketh | thanx anway | 01:06 |
| saketh | also, | 01:06 |
| saketh | where can i go to find a good tutorial on docbook? | 01:06 |
| nhandler | saketh: http://wiki.docbook.org/topic/DocBookTutorials | 01:07 |
| saketh | thanx | 01:07 |
| nhandler | As for the mentoring program, it is currently dead. It will be discussed at the meeting this weekend | 01:07 |
| saketh | so... | 01:07 |
| saketh | when? | 01:07 |
| nhandler | If you have a patch that you would like uploaded, attach it to a bug, and paste the URL here | 01:07 |
| nhandler | saketh: #ubuntu-meeting on Saturday | 01:07 |
| saketh | thank you | 01:07 |
| saketh | ok... | 01:07 |
| saketh | tahnx | 01:07 |
| nhandler | It is on the fridge: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | 01:07 |
| saketh | w8... | 01:10 |
| saketh | 7pm to 8pm UTC? | 01:10 |
| saketh | hello? | 01:11 |
| nhandler | That is correct saketh | 01:14 |
| nhandler | And please be patient. Just because someone does not respond to you right away does not mean that they are ignoring you | 01:14 |
| saketh | ok sorry | 01:14 |
| philip_ | irc is an idle friendly form of communication... we should assume people get up and do other things at any time | 01:16 |
| saketh | mhm | 01:16 |
| nhandler | (or are attempting to participate in too many IRC channels while using a horrible irc client that does not let him easily see when a channel has a new message) | 01:17 |
| saketh | mhm | 01:18 |
| philip_ | :) | 01:18 |
| saketh | i probably can stay untilt he meeting is over but i m not sure... | 01:18 |
| saketh | How do u change the text u r typing in and all that other cool stuff? | 01:19 |
| philip_ | well, i'd say most people don't change fonts or use colors | 01:19 |
| philip_ | i assume you are talking via your irc client? | 01:20 |
| saketh | mhm | 01:20 |
| philip_ | because there are roughly a zillion irc clients it's difficult to say for sure :) | 01:20 |
| saketh | ur text turned red when u said that is correct saketh | 01:20 |
| saketh | and i m using xchat | 01:20 |
| philip_ | often times irc clients will highlight lines in irc when your username is contained within | 01:21 |
| philip_ | like everything, it can be configured, so play with your software and have it do whatever you want... we don't see it | 01:21 |
| saketh | mhm | 01:21 |
| saketh | thanx | 01:21 |
| philip_ | does the string 'mhm' indicate you are thinking? :) | 01:22 |
| saketh | it just means taht i m listening | 01:22 |
| saketh | we use taht a lot in chat | 01:22 |
| saketh | i m kinda new to the docs team, so i m just figuring things out | 01:23 |
| philip_ | for channels like this, people tend to use the least amount of noise as possible | 01:23 |
| saketh | ok | 01:23 |
| saketh | like how to use bzr | 01:23 |
| saketh | and launchpad | 01:23 |
| saketh | its so complicated | 01:23 |
| saketh | i like svn better | 01:23 |
| philip_ | that's because you've already learned svn | 01:23 |
| saketh | i guess... | 01:24 |
| saketh | ??? | 01:24 |
| saketh | i dont understand waht u r saying | 01:24 |
| philip_ | i understand only half of what i say | 01:24 |
| saketh | waht is CTCP? | 01:24 |
| saketh | oops | 01:25 |
| saketh | taht didnt come from u | 01:25 |
| philip_ | ask google | 01:25 |
| saketh | srry... | 01:25 |
| philip_ | typically in irc people do not use the return key as punctuation | 01:25 |
| saketh | hmm? | 01:26 |
| philip_ | you know | 01:26 |
| philip_ | stuff like | 01:26 |
| philip_ | this | 01:26 |
| saketh | oh | 01:26 |
| saketh | sorry | 01:26 |
| philip_ | :) | 01:26 |
| saketh | thats just the wa i caht in im | 01:26 |
| saketh | anyway... | 01:26 |
| saketh | how would I upload a fix that i made using bzr to launchpad? | 01:27 |
| philip_ | you would create a patch and send it to the mailing list | 01:27 |
| saketh | how do i make a patch? | 01:27 |
| philip_ | saketh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Submitting | 01:28 |
| saketh | i already read that | 01:29 |
| saketh | i didnt understand it | 01:29 |
| philip_ | it has "bzr diff > diffname.tx" | 01:30 |
| philip_ | 'bzr diff' is a command, that will create a diff (a patch) | 01:30 |
| philip_ | like in svn | 01:30 |
| philip_ | the '> diffname.txt' means it sends the output (the diff) to that filename | 01:30 |
| saketh | ok | 01:31 |
| saketh | i get it now... | 01:31 |
| saketh | thanx | 01:31 |
| philip_ | i've never head of "bzr bundle" but it looks interesting | 01:32 |
| saketh | mhm | 01:36 |
| saketh | oops | 01:36 |
| saketh | sorry | 01:36 |
| saketh | well... | 01:36 |
| saketh | i gotta go... | 01:36 |
| saketh | tahnx | 01:36 |
| saketh | bye! | 01:36 |
| philip_ | :) | 01:37 |
| Rocket2DMn | my word mdke , he basically cleaned out CategoryDocumentation | 02:25 |
| Rocket2DMn | mdke, he is not "one of my soldiers" :) | 02:25 |
| Rocket2DMn | that is to say, he is not from the Beginners Team, I have no idea who he is | 02:26 |
| nhandler | Rocket2DMn: He says he is part of the NY LoCo. Maybe cprofitt knows him | 02:40 |
| Rocket2DMn | quite possible nhandler | 02:40 |
| fooka | nhandler: i just noticed you were talking about me | 02:45 |
| fooka | nhandler: am the guy who worked on CategoryDocumentation pages | 02:46 |
| nhandler | fooka: I know (I looked at your LP page). We just didn't know who you were and noticed you did a lot of work on the wiki today | 02:47 |
| fooka | nhandler: i gotta update that LP page :) | 02:47 |
| fooka | nhandler: as i mentioned to mdke, just felt a little inspired to chip in after tuesday's openweek sessions | 02:48 |
| j1mc | fooka: thanks so much for your work. :) | 03:05 |
| fooka | j1mc: you're welcome | 03:07 |
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| nhandler | What is the policy regarding words like organize/organise with regards to the system documentation? I know there is some wiki page or something that mentions this, but I can't remember which one | 04:01 |
| j1mc_ | nixternal: should be u.s. english, so "organize." | 04:30 |
| j1mc_ | ooops | 04:30 |
| j1mc_ | nhandler: ... ^^ | 04:30 |
| nhandler | j1mc_: Ok, thanks | 04:31 |
| philip_ | nhandler: i don't see the answer here but i've mostly only skimmed: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/StyleGuide | 07:21 |
| mdke | philip_: it's here, under Spelling - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/StyleGuide/SpellingPunctuationGrammar | 08:28 |
| philip_ | cool, there it is | 08:29 |
| philip_ | today i learned that, and also that -- cannot be used inside <!-- --> | 08:31 |
| mdke | I didn't know that | 08:31 |
| mdke | how bizarre | 08:31 |
| philip_ | truly | 08:31 |
| philip_ | i only refer to xml comments here, not sure about elsewhere | 08:32 |
| nhandler | mdke: Feel like sponsoring http://paste.ubuntu.com/161898/ ? | 12:04 |
| DJones | I'm not sure if this is the right place to report this, but from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DesktopEffects the link in the "See Desktop Effects for an official version of this document." line isn't working, I'm getting the message "The requested URL /7.10/desktop-effects/C/ was not found on this server." | 13:04 |
| jpds | Gutsy is dead. See: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/desktop-effects/C/ | 13:05 |
| DJones | jpds: It wasn't actually for me, I was just following the link through from the website, I guess the first page I linked just needs its link updating | 13:06 |
| jpds | Yep. | 13:06 |
| ds305 | wiki formatting question... Few ubuntu community wiki pages have graphics aligned right with text to the left. Instead there is a graphic with the text below even if the image only fills part of the width. | 14:07 |
| ds305 | Is this the standard. | 14:07 |
| * ds305 Perhaps because different users have different screen resolutions which would allow viewing it all in one screen? | 14:17 | |
| SiDi | Hello | 14:32 |
| SiDi | I've got a question that is very likely offtopic : does anyone know good tools to write man pages ? :P | 14:33 |
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| DougieRichardson | SiDi: I thought they were in TeX | 15:43 |
| SiDi | They're in a weird language actually. | 15:45 |
| SiDi | I just took one and i'm modifying it at the moment | 15:45 |
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| janisozaur | hi! i've added a wiki page on virtual serial port - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualSerialPort if you want to check it | 17:39 |
| Rocket2DMn | janisozaur, that page looks nice | 18:03 |
| Rocket2DMn | I don't know anything about the content though, but I trust you know what you're doing | 18:04 |
| Rocket2DMn | If you find other pages on the community docs that are relevant to it, you should make sure to set up some links between the pages | 18:04 |
| janisozaur | Rocket2DMn, i just had to set up such a connection and after quite a long search and guesstimation i thought i could share with the knowledge gained | 18:05 |
| Rocket2DMn | cool | 18:06 |
| mdke | nhandler: sure, that looks fine | 20:01 |
| mdke | nhandler: no particular bug which that fixes, right? | 20:03 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: I really can't help but to see serious duplication of effort here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/UbuntuDesktopTopics; the topics are basically identical to our desktop help. I'm really struggling to see why this can't use the same material as us | 20:06 |
| Rocket2DMn | gimme a sec, finishing a quick forum tutorial | 20:06 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: no immediate rush I was just thinking out loud | 20:06 |
| Rocket2DMn | ah yeah that mdke | 20:10 |
| Rocket2DMn | That it is not my baby, that is the brainchild of cprofitt and Vantrax (Matthew Lye) | 20:10 |
| Rocket2DMn | bodhi.zazen is setting up the Moodle site | 20:11 |
| Rocket2DMn | mdke, i think the purpose is to get existing teams involved in using new tools as part of their training/education efforts | 20:12 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: I don't follow | 20:12 |
| Rocket2DMn | they are supposed to be built around live sessions, not static documentation | 20:12 |
| Rocket2DMn | I don't know much about Moodle, but I guess it is a sort of interactive education tool | 20:13 |
| mdke | I see the idea of the "classroom", but find it a lot harder to see why material should be any different to onscreen help - the aim of both is to teach users | 20:13 |
| Rocket2DMn | Yes, I understand. I don't know all the details, but I think it is supposed to work alongside the current Classroom project and link to existing documentation whenever possible | 20:14 |
| mdke | what do you mean by "to get existing teams involved in using new tools" in the context of this part of the project - is the idea that the docteam is involved in this? | 20:14 |
| Rocket2DMn | I'm stepping a bit out of my zone here, but I think here is a good example: Take the OpenWeek sessions | 20:15 |
| Rocket2DMn | Considering that users are actually paying attention and want to be involved, they can interact with the Moodle site to help learn | 20:15 |
| Rocket2DMn | rather than just seeing text in the channel or on a web page | 20:15 |
| mdke | hmm | 20:17 |
| Rocket2DMn | I'm not involved with the project, you would have to ask vantrax or cprofitt | 20:18 |
| mdke | I already raised the concern about duplication, tbh, as did Mike Basinger - it was roundly ignored | 20:18 |
| mdke | we'll see how it develops, maybe I'm reading the idea wrongly, but it's a bit odd that no one has come to talk about how material can be reused, at the absolute least | 20:19 |
| Rocket2DMn | Understood, I think one problem they are running into is that the material is so spread out | 20:19 |
| Rocket2DMn | every team kinda does their own thing | 20:19 |
| mdke | well, help is more or less in one place, that's why we called it help.ubuntu.com | 20:22 |
| mdke | the idea is for it to be easy for users to find and for them not to have to search different sites | 20:22 |
| Rocket2DMn | mdke, it's not just for system help, I think it is designed for teams to make use of it their training efforts, like MOTU | 20:25 |
| Rocket2DMn | I think from where we sit, they would want a doc team member to use Moodle to setup a training session using existing documentation | 20:26 |
| Rocket2DMn | Then that doc team member (or somebody else) can actually go teach the session using the Moodle program as part of the course | 20:27 |
| Rocket2DMn | I don't think they are planning to move, copy, or rewrite the actual documentation somewhere that it isnt already | 20:27 |
| Rocket2DMn | i share your concern though mdke | 20:29 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: I'm still a bit concerned about the idea of a separate website for that, in respect of user help - I'm not bothered about the other sections like MOTU | 20:29 |
| mdke | the single website thing is very important, IMO | 20:30 |
| Rocket2DMn | yeah mdke , I don't think they intend to use the site as another place to get help. I don't think documentation is going to be written there. | 20:30 |
| mdke | let's see how it develops | 20:30 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: ok, maybe I'm misunderstanding the project then | 20:30 |
| Rocket2DMn | I don't fully understand it myself | 20:30 |
| mdke | I think it needs to be explained a bit more clearly on the landing page | 20:30 |
| Rocket2DMn | I think that their Moodle site will be on an ubuntu.com subdomain though | 20:31 |
| Rocket2DMn | I think it is destined for http://learning.ubuntu.com/ | 20:31 |
| Rocket2DMn | IIRC, they have been given approval to use this | 20:32 |
| mdke | that's what the page says | 20:32 |
| DougieRichardson | have they not been in touch with you? | 20:32 |
| mdke | no, nor the CC | 20:32 |
| mdke | except for the initial contact, when I raised my concern | 20:33 |
| DougieRichardson | that's odd | 20:33 |
| DougieRichardson | I have some worries too. | 20:33 |
| Rocket2DMn | I don't think the program is designed to be an attempt at documentation | 20:33 |
| DougieRichardson | No, Matthew Lye and Charles Profitt have both been in touch with me and it looks to me more like they're going to negate the desktop-training if anything | 20:34 |
| mdke | I've got that point; but starting a new site will inevitably cause confusion for users about where to go | 20:34 |
| DougieRichardson | I agree - we should get more involved now and we can get more out of it for contribution - it might work for us too | 20:35 |
| DougieRichardson | This is the page that Matthew emailed me about earlier, have you seen it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning | 20:35 |
| mdke | yes, that's what we were discussing | 20:36 |
| mdke | there is this post from bodhi - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2009-April/012617.html | 20:36 |
| mdke | but that post is just a collection of positive words, rather than any real explanation of how why they are true | 20:36 |
| DougieRichardson | Yes I remember it and thought his tone was a bit curt to say the least | 20:36 |
| mdke | I'd like to see a genuine engagement with the concern about separate sites | 20:37 |
| mdke | I'll start a conversation, I think | 20:37 |
| Rocket2DMn | bodhi is a really chill guy | 20:38 |
| mdke | it's probably a question of more communication needed | 20:38 |
| DougieRichardson | mdke: Could you elaborate on your concerns I missed the start of this conversation | 20:38 |
| mdke | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/162435/ | 20:39 |
| mdke | that's the bit before you joined | 20:39 |
| mdke | ok, I have to go for a bit, forgot about dinner | 20:39 |
| Rocket2DMn | alright im goin afk too, bbl | 20:41 |
| Shane_Fagan | DoudieRichardson: What bug would you suggest I start on? | 21:04 |
| Shane_Fagan | DougieRichardson: What bug would you suggest I start on? | 21:05 |
| DougieRichardson | Shane_Fagan: two secs dude | 21:05 |
| DougieRichardson | Shane_Fagan: What areas are you interested in / experienced in and how confident are you? | 21:07 |
| Shane_Fagan | Well im a student programmer, | 21:08 |
| Shane_Fagan | So im confident enough but not too experienced | 21:09 |
| DougieRichardson | Some would see we're always student programmers - while except Soustroup, Torvalds and Deitel ;-) | 21:09 |
| DougieRichardson | So I guess you're happy with markup languages then? | 21:10 |
| Shane_Fagan | Ish learned a little but my area is desktop programs | 21:10 |
| Shane_Fagan | So yep happy enough but havent done much | 21:11 |
| DougieRichardson | Cool, well if you want to jump in then Bug #362414 is probably a good place to start | 21:11 |
| ubot4` | Launchpad bug 362414 in ubuntu-docs "A note on having to manually deinterlace interlaced DVDs should be made" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/362414 | 21:11 |
| DougieRichardson | Gotta love ubot4 | 21:11 |
| Shane_Fagan | Yep | 21:11 |
| DougieRichardson | We need to clarify the issue, I don't know if this issue is actually true or not so we need to confirm it first | 21:12 |
| DougieRichardson | You can either attempt to confirm on your own setup | 21:12 |
| DougieRichardson | Or Assign it to yourself and, set it as Incomplete and request confirmation from the submitter | 21:13 |
| Shane_Fagan | Ill look into it cool | 21:13 |
| DougieRichardson | Let me know if you need more direction once you know where you're going | 21:13 |
| DougieRichardson | Your best bet is to email me | 21:13 |
| DougieRichardson | because I'm up to my eyes in a Java project this weekend | 21:14 |
| DougieRichardson | dougierichardson@ubuntu.com | 21:14 |
| Shane_Fagan | DougieRichardson: Bug #362414 is invalid in jaunty | 21:44 |
| ubot4` | Launchpad bug 362414 in ubuntu-docs "A note on having to manually deinterlace interlaced DVDs should be made" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/362414 | 21:44 |
| Shane_Fagan | Are there any others that would be easy to look into | 21:45 |
| DougieRichardson | Shane_Fagan: Awsome - that's one down. | 21:45 |
| DougieRichardson | Shane_Fagan: Try to give the submitter a few platitudes though to encourage them to submit in the future | 21:45 |
| DougieRichardson | "Thanks for taking the time to report this" and so on | 21:46 |
| Shane_Fagan | Oh I understand | 21:47 |
| DougieRichardson | Its like walking a tightrope because we need to be as polite as possible but sometimes people can be very rude | 21:47 |
| DougieRichardson | How about bug #346892 ? | 21:47 |
| ubot4` | Launchpad bug 346892 in ubuntu-docs "games/C/games.xml:109 keymapping not input devices" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/346892 | 21:47 |
| Shane_Fagan | DougieRichardson: Sure ill have a look | 21:48 |
| Meg | hi all :) | 21:48 |
| Meg | i'd like to contribute translation help, what can i do to get started?? | 21:48 |
| DougieRichardson | Hi Meg | 21:49 |
| Meg | hi | 21:49 |
| DougieRichardson | Have you looked over https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Translation | 21:49 |
| DougieRichardson | What languages do you speak? | 21:50 |
| Meg | Spanish (native), English, ... French and Italian (teacher of both these languages) | 21:50 |
| DougieRichardson | Fantastic, mdke and adiroiban are the best people to speak to | 21:52 |
| Rocket2DMn | that's quite a resume | 21:52 |
| DougieRichardson | Did you see adi's talk on OpenWeek? | 21:52 |
| Rocket2DMn | Ok, so can anybody tell me why when I view the wiki, some stuff is messed up. For instances, tables don't always show correctly | 21:57 |
| nhandler | Thanks mdke for sponsoring the patch | 21:59 |
| DougieRichardson | Rocket2DMn: I hadn't noticed - any examples? | 22:01 |
| Rocket2DMn | its on the team wiki | 22:01 |
| Rocket2DMn | for instance: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam | 22:01 |
| Rocket2DMn | look at the table under IRC - I can't see the separate between the two non-colored rows | 22:01 |
| Rocket2DMn | separator* | 22:02 |
| Rocket2DMn | some tables look ok, or some tables will only have a problem in one or two places | 22:03 |
| Rocket2DMn | look at our meetings page - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings | 22:03 |
| DougieRichardson | I don't see that or am being blonde | 22:03 |
| Rocket2DMn | On some of the tables there I don't see column separators | 22:03 |
| DougieRichardson | Screenshot? | 22:04 |
| Rocket2DMn | http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6779/screenshotbeginnersteam.png | 22:05 |
| DougieRichardson | Not from here - the seperators are there | 22:06 |
| DougieRichardson | Is this in FF? | 22:06 |
| Rocket2DMn | yes, FF, do you see what im talkin about in the screenshot? | 22:06 |
| DougieRichardson | yes | 22:07 |
| Rocket2DMn | the same thing happens with row separators | 22:07 |
| DougieRichardson | is noscript doing anything - is see the icon but not sure if that icon means on or off | 22:08 |
| Rocket2DMn | the problem existed before i started using noscropt | 22:08 |
| DougieRichardson | what about adblock? | 22:08 |
| DougieRichardson | Ignore that | 22:08 |
| DougieRichardson | I'm using abp, duh | 22:08 |
| KelvinGardiner | Hi, where can I find the IRC logs of the last doc team meeting? | 22:11 |
| DougieRichardson | i don't even remember the last one we had! | 22:11 |
| mdke | KelvinGardiner: do you mean the one focused on the installation guide? | 22:11 |
| KelvinGardiner | No, the last general meeting, I was going to have a look at them before the meeting tomorrow. | 22:13 |
| DougieRichardson | Rocket2DMn: What's your browser identifying as? | 22:14 |
| nhandler | KelvinGardiner: If you have the date of the meeting, you could look at irclogs.ubuntu.com | 22:14 |
| KelvinGardiner | nhandler: I don't. I had a quick look at the logs and viewed the ones with a reasonable file size, but couldn't find it. It's not particularly important. | 22:16 |
| mdke | it's been a couple of years at least, I guess | 22:17 |
| mdke | July 2007, looks like | 22:19 |
| Rocket2DMn | DougieRichardson, it should be identifying as firefox | 22:19 |
| DougieRichardson | Rocket2DMn: Just wondered if it was a CSS issue | 22:20 |
| Rocket2DMn | User Agent is Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.10) Gecko/2009042523 Ubuntu/9.04 (jaunty) Firefox/3.0.10 | 22:20 |
| DougieRichardson | Rocket2DMn: Me to, next avenue... | 22:21 |
| DougieRichardson | Rocket2DMn: Stage 2 - have you tried doing a firefox -P and using a clean profile to check if its an extension or setting? | 22:22 |
| Rocket2DMn | what does -P do? | 22:23 |
| DougieRichardson | has a nice dialog about profiles | 22:23 |
| DougieRichardson | sorry that was garbage - I'm tired and stupid , it starts without a profile loaded | 22:24 |
| Rocket2DMn | works ok with a new profile, as it should | 22:25 |
| Rocket2DMn | im not gonna go build up an entirely new profile though | 22:25 |
| DougieRichardson | OK, shall we try the halving method? | 22:25 |
| DougieRichardson | Disable half your extensions | 22:25 |
| DougieRichardson | see if its there | 22:26 |
| DougieRichardson | if not you know its in the off half and keep splitting till we find the culprit | 22:26 |
| Rocket2DMn | alright hold on for a min | 22:26 |
| Rocket2DMn | is there a way to just disable all | 22:27 |
| Rocket2DMn | then at leats we woudl know its an extension | 22:27 |
| DougieRichardson | well the -P option did that so it's a fair stab | 22:28 |
| Rocket2DMn | ok well i turned them all off and the problem ois still there | 22:28 |
| Rocket2DMn | brb | 22:29 |
| DougieRichardson | what about if you're logged out of he wiki? | 22:30 |
| Rocket2DMn | i tried removing the LP and wiki cookies | 22:30 |
| Rocket2DMn | i gotta take a phone call right now though, ill bbiab | 22:30 |
| Rocket2DMn | thanks for your help | 22:30 |
| DougieRichardson | cool | 22:30 |
| DougieRichardson | no worries mate | 22:31 |
| Rocket2DMn | ok , back | 22:39 |
| DougieRichardson | hi | 22:44 |
| nhandler | In the "Adding a software repository" section, why do we use "deb http://ftp.debian.org etch main" as the example? | 22:51 |
| mdke | I'm not aware of a special reason | 22:51 |
| DougieRichardson | We should probably change that | 22:51 |
| nhandler | Maybe we could update it to give an example of adding a PPA | 22:52 |
| mdke | perhaps we should use the partner repository as an example | 22:52 |
| * nhandler thinks a PPA would be more useful | 22:52 | |
| mdke | go on | 22:53 |
| DougieRichardson | Actually, I think PPA is a good idea too | 22:53 |
| nhandler | Do we have any other documentation that discusses the PPAs? | 22:53 |
| DougieRichardson | Not in the system docs | 22:53 |
| mdke | they aren't really intended for users though | 22:53 |
| DougieRichardson | But given the number of Xorg drivers | 22:53 |
| mdke | whereas the partner repository i | 22:53 |
| mdke | +s | 22:53 |
| DougieRichardson | that are in ppa it might be an idea | 22:53 |
| nhandler | mdke: I would have to disagree. Some PPAs are very stable | 22:54 |
| mdke | nhandler: but they might not be - they don't have any level of guaranteed quality control | 22:54 |
| DougieRichardson | They're also being mentioned more often on the forums too | 22:54 |
| mdke | as with the Ubuntu/Canonical archive | 22:54 |
| nhandler | mdke: That is why we would not link to any specific PPA. It would be up to the user to decide which one to add | 22:54 |
| DougieRichardson | mdke: we can warn people about the risks | 22:54 |
| mdke | yes, we could do | 22:55 |
| nhandler | It would also be a good place to explain how to import the PPA keys to be more secure | 22:55 |
| mdke | I was just thinking that the partner repository would be a good example because you don't need such a warning, and because it's intended for users | 22:55 |
| DougieRichardson | OK, then should we expand on PPA on the Wiki and link to it? | 22:56 |
| nhandler | DougieRichardson: Launchpad has a decent wiki page explaining the PPAs as well | 22:56 |
| mdke | I'm not saying that we should not document PPAs, maybe we could do | 22:56 |
| nhandler | What about a separate doc page about the PPAs? | 22:56 |
| DougieRichardson | If the LP page is good then we can just link to that? | 22:57 |
| nhandler | For the wiki, that would work DougieRichardson | 22:57 |
| DougieRichardson | For the system too - PPA is going to need web access | 22:57 |
| nhandler | DougieRichardson: Using a PPA needs web access, adding it does not | 22:58 |
| nhandler | But we could add a link at the end of the PPA section in the system docs (if we create one) | 22:58 |
| DougieRichardson | nhandler: granted but that's kinda splitting hairs as it wont do anything | 22:59 |
| DougieRichardson | I don;t see a problem with expanding the system docs | 22:59 |
| nhandler | Let me draft a PPA section. We can decide where to put it later | 22:59 |
| DougieRichardson | OK | 23:00 |
| mdke | I don't have a feel for how many ppas exist that are suitable for public consumption (do we even document -proposed?) but if there are a few out there, then we could add a section | 23:00 |
| DougieRichardson | Anyone dealing with intel xorg servers is likely to be interested in thsi | 23:00 |
| nhandler | mdke: One example of a relatively stable PPA is the kubuntu-experimental one that we were using to provide newer kubuntu packages to intrepid users | 23:01 |
| mdke | nhandler: ok, I don't have a fundamental problem with it; I just think that if something is suitable for broad user consumption, it's likely to be in the main repository | 23:05 |
| mdke | I can't see a downside of adding a section though, properly explained | 23:05 |
| nhandler | mdke: That depends. Some users use a PPA to distribute stable packages while they are waiting for a sponsor. Or a freeze might prevent them from uploading it | 23:06 |
| nhandler | It is also an easy way to provide newer versions of packages for users of different versions of Ubuntu (without going through the backport process) | 23:07 |
| mdke | right, but those processes are there for a reason, they aren't just random hurdles | 23:07 |
| mdke | anyway, as I say, let's see how it looks, I think it's a good thing if you could draft a section | 23:07 |
| * nhandler will try to draft something by the end of the weekend | 23:08 | |
| mdke | great | 23:08 |
| KelvinGardiner | Is there a way to limit the width of a image in the wiki. The keyboard image on this page goes over the edge of the main page area. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AppleKeyboard I've seen this on a few other pages as well. | 23:18 |
| Rocket2DMn | KelvinGardiner, i think you just need to make a thumbnail manually | 23:22 |
| KelvinGardiner | Rocket2DMn: ok thanks. | 23:23 |
| DougieRichardson | mdke: I have had a chat with bodhi_zazen and doctormo about the learning thing | 23:35 |
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