| clearscreen | asac: if I were to be interested in doing what you talked to about Jazzva yesterday... is there any kind of RSS feed that can notify me whenever a new revision pops up? | 07:43 |
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| ziroday | Hi, is firefox intergration with notify-osd being worked upon and where? | 10:55 |
| gnomefreak | what app is used to shut down? hal? | 11:36 |
| gnomefreak | asac: have you been doing dailies by hand? or did fta get back? | 12:07 |
| asac | clearscreen: i dont think so. let me check | 12:24 |
| asac | gnomefreak: we fixed dailies | 12:24 |
| gnomefreak | asac: ah ok :) | 12:24 |
| asac | fta isnt needed as the uploads happen automatically | 12:24 |
| clearscreen | asac: also, when can we expect Fx3.5 showing up on testing repository? :) | 12:25 |
| asac | clearscreen: what is "testing" repository? | 12:25 |
| asac | clearscreen: maybe check if you can subscribe to PPA of https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily | 12:25 |
| clearscreen | Well I used to run Debian, but I was refering to karmic on ubuntu | 12:26 |
| asac | clearscreen: karmic already has ffox 3.5 | 12:26 |
| clearscreen | asac: I wasn't aware of that :) | 12:26 |
| asac | also jaunty has | 12:26 |
| asac | jaunty has some pre b4 snapshot (will be updated to b4 soon) | 12:27 |
| asac | karmic has b4 | 12:27 |
| clearscreen | I see | 12:27 |
| clearscreen | asac: I'm relatively knew to its development process; so why is there active development in both 3.0x (3.1?) and 3.5? I'm trying to put this into perspective.. | 12:29 |
| asac | clearscreen: so i dont see how to subscribe to ppa mails ... the best way to do it is to load the page https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa at ~8pm UTC | 12:29 |
| asac | clearscreen: thats when builds should have finished | 12:29 |
| clearscreen | Other than security fixes obviously | 12:29 |
| asac | clearscreen: 3.0 is security only | 12:29 |
| asac | 3.5 is active development. we provide the packages as previews | 12:30 |
| asac | but | 12:30 |
| asac | we also made the step and allow you to install both in parallel | 12:30 |
| asac | and so on | 12:30 |
| asac | for us its firefox-3.0 and firefox-3.5 | 12:30 |
| asac | and not firefox | 12:30 |
| asac | (package name) | 12:30 |
| asac | debian doesnt do that | 12:30 |
| asac | we also have firefox-3.6 ;) | 12:30 |
| asac | which is trunk | 12:30 |
| sebner | trunk is always good | 12:31 |
| clearscreen | aha. | 12:31 |
| sebner | ^^ | 12:31 |
| asac | yeah. the dailies definitly rock | 12:31 |
| clearscreen | Also, is Fx3.5 called shiretoko because of the stuff that went on with mozilla <-> debian? | 12:32 |
| asac | to some degree yes | 12:32 |
| asac | we could call it firefox, if its a milestone release | 12:32 |
| asac | but not for snapshots | 12:32 |
| asac | so we dont bother | 12:32 |
| clearscreen | Alright | 12:32 |
| clearscreen | I'm a relatively new C++ programmer, and been considering getting involved in some open-source project, but most interesting projects have huge codebases and it would take ages to familiarize myself with them, I guess... | 12:36 |
| asac | clearscreen: so the answer is: we dont want to bother with trademark stuff for anything except the default browser :) | 12:36 |
| asac | which is ffox 3 atm | 12:36 |
| asac | clearscreen: yeah | 12:37 |
| asac | clearscreen: its a bit hard to just jump into mozilla code base | 12:37 |
| asac | same for other big things | 12:37 |
| * gnomefreak working on seamonkey | 12:37 | |
| gnomefreak | be back in a bit i have hardy and intrepid building | 12:37 |
| clearscreen | And even if I were familiar with the codebase, I'd probably produce suboptimal code.. so yeah, not a very good idea for me at the time :D | 12:38 |
| asac | clearscreen: i would think that going for C is better as those code bases in the linux stacks are usually much cleaner ;) | 12:38 |
| asac | clearscreen: well. the suboptimal code argument doesnt count much | 12:38 |
| asac | clearscreen: of course you need some basic skills | 12:38 |
| asac | but then you need to produce code and get it reviewed by senior developers to get the final tuning of your skills | 12:39 |
| clearscreen | Sorry got to break up this conversation, need to go to work :( some PHP job, *sigh* | 12:39 |
| clearscreen | bb | 12:39 |
| asac | hehe | 12:39 |
| asac | enjoy | 12:39 |
| asac | today is public holiday | 12:39 |
| asac | so i might not be available all the time | 12:39 |
| asac | going out to sun soon | 12:40 |
| gnomefreak | at least you have sun, it looks like rain here | 12:55 |
| GregW3056 | Hi i'm having some trouble with firefox | 13:30 |
| GregW3056 | would anyone be able to help me out? | 13:31 |
| asac | be patient folks ;) | 13:37 |
| * gnomefreak not really here but "having trouble with firefox" is a bit too general :( | 13:45 | |
| asac | heh | 14:00 |
| asac_ | reconnect while scp'ing a huge file ... bad | 14:19 |
| gnomefreak | this is taking forever | 14:29 |
| asac_ | sm? | 14:30 |
| asac_ | what are you doing? does it fail again? | 14:30 |
| gnomefreak | sm2 builds for karmic jaunty intrepid hardy | 14:31 |
| gnomefreak | asac_: no more failures :) | 14:32 |
| asac_ | gnomefreak: heh. why do you build locally? | 14:32 |
| asac_ | are you trying to improve packaging? | 14:32 |
| asac_ | or just for fun | 14:32 |
| asac_ | ? | 14:32 |
| gnomefreak | asac_: no im updating my PPA | 14:32 |
| asac_ | k | 14:33 |
| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| gnomefreak | mozilla bug 485052 | 14:34 |
| ubottu | Mozilla bug 485052 in Security: PSM "Embed a list of default OCSP Responder URLs for certain CAs" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=485052 | 14:34 |
| gnomefreak | ah ok ive seen that one already | 14:35 |
| gnomefreak | down to last build :) | 14:38 |
| gnomefreak | and last one is uploaded waiting for PPA to start on it :) | 14:47 |
| BUGabundo | good afternoon | 14:54 |
| BUGabundo | hi gnomefreak | 14:54 |
| BUGabundo | what's up with fta? | 14:54 |
| gnomefreak | hi BUGabundo | 14:54 |
| gnomefreak | BUGabundo: he took a few weeks off i thought | 14:54 |
| BUGabundo | ah ok | 14:55 |
| gnomefreak | !info flight-of-the-amazon-queen | 14:55 |
| ubottu | flight-of-the-amazon-queen (source: flight-of-the-amazon-queen): a fantasy adventure game. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.0-5ubuntu2 (jaunty), package size 35682 kB, installed size 53028 kB | 14:55 |
| BUGabundo | not seen him a while | 14:55 |
| BUGabundo | what a longgggg name | 14:55 |
| gnomefreak | thats why i wanted to see what it was :) | 14:55 |
| BUGabundo | gnomefreak: apt-cache not good enough? | 14:58 |
| gnomefreak | too hard i have 5 terminals open | 15:00 |
| gnomefreak | asac: we will not build with PGO unless upstream provides builds for it right? | 15:07 |
| gnomefreak | ok branhes and packages are done now updates | 15:45 |
| gnomefreak | !info firefox hardy | 15:56 |
| ubottu | firefox (source: firefox-3.0): meta package for the popular mozilla web browser. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.10+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.1 (hardy), package size 64 kB, installed size 120 kB | 15:56 |
| gnomefreak | finally my bug is fixed | 15:59 |
| clearscreen | asac: I have no clue why, but firefox built in like 5-10 min instead of the 30-40 of yesterday | 17:44 |
| asac | clearscreen: firefox is tiny ... xulrunner takes long | 17:45 |
| asac | firefox builds in 2-5 minutes usually | 17:45 |
| clearscreen | asac: oh. right, stupid me.. didnt realize I didnt build firefox yesterday | 17:45 |
| clearscreen | asac: I applied to the group @ launchpad, although I'm not entirely sure what I should do when the build breaks | 17:46 |
| clearscreen | and does karmic come with daily? or do I have to pull it from somewhere else | 17:47 |
| asac | clearscreen: karmic needs to be setup. however, the guy driving the bot is a bit away ;) | 17:47 |
| asac | clearscreen: so for now there are no karmic dailies | 17:47 |
| asac | clearscreen: i dont think joining the team would be right when you get started | 17:48 |
| clearscreen | That's fine, I just though that was part of the procedure | 17:48 |
| asac | clearscreen: i think the right way is that the daily team gets its build mail sent to mailing list | 17:50 |
| asac | that team is more a bot team without real members | 17:50 |
| clearscreen | where do I subscribe? and dont all the packages in PPA need to be built? (I dont even see Fx3.0 in that list) | 17:52 |
| asac | clearscreen: we currently only build the branches that you see there | 17:52 |
| asac | clearscreen: we dont have a mailing list setup yet ;) | 17:53 |
| asac | i have to check something | 17:53 |
| asac | clearscreen: ok i applied for maling list | 17:54 |
| clearscreen | Sorry for all the questions, but will I need deb (for build-dep libs) or would deb-src suffice? | 17:54 |
| asac | build-dep you need both | 17:55 |
| clearscreen | ok | 17:55 |
| asac | clearscreen: remember me to write something about our dailies to the wiki or something | 17:56 |
| asac | i will see if i can do that soonihs | 17:56 |
| clearscreen | Ok | 17:56 |
| clearscreen | Another question, can I tell apt somehow to keep older libs when installing a later one? between 3.0 and 3.5 builds it will constantly try to remove older/newer xulrunner-dev | 17:59 |
| clearscreen | I can manually remove those with deborphan whenever I feel like it | 17:59 |
| asac | clearscreen: you cannot have multiple versions of -dev at the same time for xulrunner | 18:00 |
| asac | the reason is that we share the same .pc filenames so they conflict | 18:00 |
| clearscreen | heh, k | 18:00 |
| asac | this gives us the ability to respin xulrunner depends by just flipping build-depends | 18:00 |
| asac | and see where they break | 18:00 |
| asac | otherwise you would always need to patch any app that uses xulrunner-dev | 18:01 |
| asac | which is cumbersome and sometimes non-trivial | 18:01 |
| asac | (configure systems have grown to bad beasts for lots of gecko clients :)) | 18:01 |
| clearscreen | http://paste.ubuntu.com/162359/ < my uber leet build script | 18:02 |
| asac | clearscreen: so if you want to build against xulrunner 1.9.2 you cannot have the 1.9 dev at the same time | 18:02 |
| clearscreen | asac: aha ok | 18:02 |
| asac | clearscreen: well. actually thats not the preferred way of building our packages | 18:02 |
| asac | (for development) | 18:03 |
| clearscreen | asac: I'm open for suggestions, heh | 18:03 |
| asac | so what you need are the packaging branches | 18:03 |
| asac | create a directory: mt-bzr (mozillateam bzr) or something | 18:03 |
| asac | and branch | 18:03 |
| asac | the .head branches for the respective packages | 18:03 |
| asac | you can find them here: | 18:03 |
| asac | https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/ | 18:04 |
| asac | there are quite a few. just look for those with .head at the end | 18:04 |
| asac | like xulrunner-1.9.2.head | 18:04 |
| asac | https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.2.head | 18:04 |
| asac | so you just branch them to the directory | 18:04 |
| asac | and when a daily fails you change the debian/changelog version to just match the one that failed | 18:05 |
| asac | (well not the ~umd.. suffix) | 18:05 |
| asac | and use bzr-builddeb to build it | 18:05 |
| clearscreen | stupid question again, do I need to grab these with git? | 18:06 |
| asac | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Build/Bzr | 18:06 |
| asac | clearscreen: no with bzr | 18:06 |
| asac | ;) | 18:06 |
| asac | clearscreen: dont do step #2 OPTIONAL: initialize that directory as a bzr repository: | 18:06 |
| asac | and dont use midbrowser ;) | 18:07 |
| * asac thinks this should be updated for our firefox/xulrunner apps ;) | 18:07 | |
| asac | that wiki page is real crap ;) | 18:08 |
| clearscreen | heh | 18:08 |
| asac | clearscreen: so just branch the branch ... change the changelog version to the latest that was build in daily | 18:09 |
| clearscreen | ah, I suppose I get it | 18:09 |
| asac | clearscreen: and run: bzr bd --merge --dont-purge --builder='debuild -b' | 18:09 |
| asac | thats all | 18:09 |
| clearscreen | how do I upgrade my local copy of the branch? | 18:09 |
| asac | it will automagically grab the orig.tar.gz and so on nowadays | 18:09 |
| asac | clearscreen: local copy? | 18:10 |
| asac | clearscreen: did you use bzr branch to get it? | 18:10 |
| asac | if so you just run bzr pull | 18:10 |
| asac | to get latest | 18:10 |
| clearscreen | Well basically what I meant is.. can I just bzr pull over the same branch when there's a new revision available | 18:11 |
| asac | clearscreen: what exactly do you mean by "new revision available" ? | 18:11 |
| asac | you only need to update the branch if there are new commits | 18:11 |
| asac | we only commit when we either change something in the packaging | 18:11 |
| clearscreen | Yeah, commit = revision++ :P | 18:11 |
| asac | _or_ if a patch or something failed | 18:11 |
| asac | clearscreen: yes. you just run bzr pull | 18:12 |
| clearscreen | ah ok | 18:12 |
| asac | that will update to latest | 18:12 |
| clearscreen | kk | 18:12 |
| clearscreen | what's head.genericbranding | 18:12 |
| clearscreen | I keep asking questions, I apologize :) | 18:13 |
| asac | welcome | 18:13 |
| asac | clearscreen: that was a topic branch i created to test something. that has been merged in the meantime | 18:14 |
| asac | clearscreen: i should have mark the branch accordingly | 18:14 |
| asac | e.g. its clutter that should not show up in the list | 18:14 |
| asac | doing that now | 18:14 |
| clearscreen | alright | 18:14 |
| asac | i shouldnt have pused it to ~mozillateam in the first place (rather ~asac) | 18:15 |
| clearscreen | alright, I got all head branches | 18:19 |
| clearscreen | some that were last-modified 50 weeks ago, but yeah :) | 18:19 |
| asac | hehe | 18:20 |
| asac | thats too much | 18:20 |
| asac | for now only the .head branches of what is in dailies makes much sense | 18:20 |
| asac | ;) | 18:20 |
| asac | lp:~mozillateam/iceape/ubuntu-1.1.x 1 Development 2007-04-24 11:57:10 CEST | 18:20 |
| asac | 105 weeks ago | 18:20 |
| asac | ;)( | 18:20 |
| asac | 105 weeks | 18:20 |
| asac | fun | 18:21 |
| clearscreen | heh :D | 18:21 |
| clearscreen | By dailies you mean the PPAs on the launchpad page I suppose? | 18:21 |
| clearscreen | and maybe Im dumb, but I dont see firefox 3.5 / firefox 3.6 in this branch lsit | 18:22 |
| clearscreen | list* | 18:22 |
| asac | clearscreen: sorry for the confusion | 18:22 |
| asac | those branches have been reversioned upstream | 18:22 |
| asac | so its still 3.1/3.2 for us ;) | 18:22 |
| clearscreen | oh ok | 18:24 |
| clearscreen | also some that are in dailies have no head branches (FF3.1 and Prism on first glance), should I get the -dev branches? | 18:27 |
| asac | clearscreen: ffox 3.1 has a .head branch | 18:27 |
| asac | prism just has lp:~mozillateam/prism/prism | 18:28 |
| asac | the .dev is dead | 18:28 |
| asac | let me remove that | 18:28 |
| clearscreen | I must be blind but there's no firefox-3.1.head in that list | 18:29 |
| clearscreen | had to manually modify the url :) | 18:29 |
| clearscreen | got it now | 18:30 |
| asac | thats odd | 18:30 |
| asac | clearscreen: oh its lp:firefox on the page | 18:30 |
| asac | ;) | 18:30 |
| asac | tricky | 18:30 |
| clearscreen | ahw | 18:31 |
| asac | thats because someone marked that branch as the "main developmenet" series or something | 18:32 |
| asac | which makes not much sense imo | 18:32 |
| asac | but well | 18:32 |
| asac | doesnt reall hurt | 18:32 |
| clearscreen | i suppose | 18:33 |
| clearscreen | asac: bzr doesn't have a bd command | 18:38 |
| asac | install bzr-builddeb package | 18:38 |
| asac | clearscreen: so does it work ;)? | 18:49 |
| clearscreen | asac: yeah it's building 3.1 now | 18:49 |
| clearscreen | or 3.5, whatever | 18:50 |
| asac | clearscreen: good | 18:50 |
| asac | clearscreen: did you change the changelog version? | 18:50 |
| asac | clearscreen: or are you building unmodified? | 18:50 |
| asac | clearscreen: the idea is to change the changelog version to whatevert is currently in daily ppa | 18:51 |
| asac | clearscreen: simulating that you want to fix something that happens in current daily | 18:51 |
| clearscreen | So how exactly would I go about doing that | 18:51 |
| asac | clearscreen: just open debian/changelog. there are two cases | 18:52 |
| asac | either the topmost changelog entry is targetted for UNRELEASED or for jaunty | 18:52 |
| asac | (karmic, etc.) | 18:52 |
| asac | if its UNRELEASED you just change the upstream version in the first line | 18:52 |
| asac | e.g. replace 3.1~b4 with 3.4~b5~hg.... | 18:53 |
| asac | if its jaunty or something it means that you need to create a new topmost changelog ... for that you do: | 18:53 |
| asac | dch -i | 18:53 |
| asac | and write something in the changelog | 18:53 |
| asac | and change the changelog version of topmost line like you would do for UNRELEASED | 18:53 |
| asac | clearscreen: so for testing assume its UNRELEASED (3.1 is currently jaunty, but that doesnt matter) | 18:54 |
| asac | change the first line to match whatever is in PPA | 18:54 |
| asac | ;) | 18:54 |
| asac | and try to build | 18:54 |
| clearscreen | bzr: ERROR: Unable to find the needed upstream tarball: firefox-3.5_3.5~b5~hg+nobinonly.orig.tar.gz. | 18:56 |
| clearscreen | heh | 18:56 |
| clearscreen | ahw .. it doesnt say UNRELEASED, nvm me | 18:57 |
| clearscreen | Am just confusing myself, time for a drink | 19:00 |
| asac | clearscreen: the version is not complete | 19:44 |
| asac | clearscreen: the hg... also has a date behind it | 19:45 |
| asac | be sure that you use exactly the same upstream version that was built in ppa | 19:45 |
| asac | hmm. seems like ftas bot uploaded, but somehow ppa rejected that | 21:39 |
| asac | lets see if it happens again tomorrow. for now lets assume launchpad ate them ;) | 21:40 |
| BUGabundo | eheh | 21:46 |
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