[00:00] <neversfelde> apachelogger: no mail yet about the complaint?
[00:04] <apachelogger> neversfelde: no, still waiting if someone else got additional input
[00:04] <apachelogger> but I should eventually push it out by next week
[00:04] <neversfelde> apachelogger: forgot to metion the many bugs about sound, seems to be a jaunty problem
[00:04] <neversfelde> probably not a kubuntu one
[00:04] <apachelogger> well, it happens when pulseaudio gets pulled in
[00:04] <apachelogger> and as I noticed that can happen in the most weird cases
[00:05] <apachelogger> like when you install a make liked build tool for java :P
[00:05] <neversfelde> yes, but purging it is not the solution everytime
[00:05] <apachelogger> bug 370520
[00:05] <apachelogger> well, then it's probably an issue in alsa
[00:05] <apachelogger> neversfelde: ^
[00:06] <neversfelde> apachelogger: didn't you wirte a mail to me about the complaint?
[00:06] <apachelogger> neversfelde: most of the work is really just getting the fixed deployed (i.e. check with debian and prepare SRU) rather than get it done :)
[00:06] <apachelogger> neversfelde: oh... well, yes
[00:06] <neversfelde> will have a look at it
[00:06] <neversfelde> not arrived
[00:06] <apachelogger> neversfelde  ... googlemail .... com
[00:06] <apachelogger> isn't it?
[00:07] <neversfelde> nope, I left google :)
[00:07] <apachelogger> well, it's a google doc...
[00:07] <apachelogger> neversfelde: about the bug: if you don't think that you have time please drop it on the devel list and find someone else to do it
[00:07] <neversfelde> mhh, probably I shoul register again
[00:08] <neversfelde> apachelogger: will do
[00:08] <apachelogger> groupwise is, as I understand, not too unfamous within corporate environments, so having it broken is kinda awful
[00:08] <apachelogger> neversfelde: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ajk6csn6c2vn_0c6d8rp6w
[00:10] <neversfelde> apachelogger: bookmarked and will hava a look at it tomorrow evening
[00:10] <apachelogger> okies, thx
[00:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: could you please send mail about meeting schedule + update topic + update wiki + get nixternal to fridge it?
[00:11] <apachelogger> obviously I already forgot what day and time it was :D
[00:14] <neversfelde> ah, there is a thunderstorm on my wallpaper
[00:15]  * neversfelde blames JontheEchidna :)
[00:15]  * apachelogger notes that there was a thunderstorm in his windows a few hours ago
[00:15] <apachelogger> clearly I must blame the weather though
[00:16] <neversfelde> hehe
[00:17] <neversfelde> blame the weather or blame the weatherman, never mid
[01:02] <Riddell> hmm, I'm sure I put it in the topic
[01:03] <neversfelde> mhh
[01:03] <neversfelde> Riddell: what? :)
[01:17] <ryanakca> UTC?
[01:22] <Riddell> it's the only time zone worth considering
[01:23] <Riddell> nixternal: please add to fridge ^^
[01:28] <neversfelde> Would a MOTU have a look at bug 370009
[01:28] <neversfelde> or is it to early in release cycle?
[01:31] <neversfelde> choqok 0.5 is imo worth a backport so it would be good if it passes the line to karmic
[01:35] <shtylman> Riddell: this Wednesday? 18:00 utc? ... I assume in this channel...?
[01:40] <neversfelde> shtylman: meetings normaly take place in #ubuntu-meeting
[01:41] <shtylman> neversfelde: thanks
[01:49]  * Tonio_ packages kaffeine, konversation and latest alpha k3b
[01:49] <Tonio_> kaffeine is impressive, really
[01:49] <Tonio_> can't wait to see it back as the default kubuntu video player
[01:51] <neversfelde> Tonio_: +1
[01:51] <neversfelde> it is a nice app
[01:52] <Tonio_> yup
[01:52] <Tonio_> neversfelde: fancy testing the deb file ?
[01:52] <Tonio_> neversfelde: ppas currently don't build anything :/
[01:53] <Tonio_> ho and also partition manager now has a kcm module, which is pretty cool
[01:53] <neversfelde> Tonio_: I tested a svn snap some days ago
[01:53] <Tonio_> neversfelde: right ;)
[01:53] <neversfelde> I think it was from your ppa
[01:53] <Tonio_> also can't wait for konversation
[01:53]  * neversfelde is a quassel fan :)
[01:53] <Tonio_> I like quassel, but for some reasons it suffers lots of performances issues on my laptop :/
[01:54] <neversfelde> mhh, no problems here
[01:54] <Tonio_> neversfelde: using compositing ?
[01:54] <neversfelde> yes
[01:55] <Tonio_> neversfelde: performances are nice, but it's going very slow when kde compositing is enabled here
[01:55] <neversfelde> NVIDIA Cards all around here, and no probs
[01:56] <Tonio_> ati with the opensource drivers here :)
[01:56] <Tonio_> which also means, at least 2 X.org segfaults a day :/
[01:56] <neversfelde> hehe, that might be the problem
[01:56] <Tonio_> I really hope X.org will stabilize in the next month
[01:56] <neversfelde> we have several reports for ATI in kubunut-de.org forum
[01:57] <Tonio_> I can confirm there is :)
[01:57] <neversfelde> :)
[01:58] <Tonio_> hum, looks like konversation won't let me speak :)
[02:02] <neversfelde> I think I should go to bed, but several tasks left :(
[02:02] <ScottK> Tonio__: Bug or feature?
[02:04] <Tonio_> neversfelde: wasn 't I talking about xorg crashes ? there we go :)
[02:05] <neversfelde> Tonio_: yes, there are a lot of reports like this
[02:05] <neversfelde> gnah :(
[02:08] <Tonio_> wow.... konversation + ati + compositing -> crash
[02:08]  * Tonio_ loves opensources drivers
[02:08] <Tonio_> I remember when the xorg team was complaining...
[02:08] <Tonio_> "want good opensource drivers, please Mr ati and nvidia, release the specs and we'll do them"
[02:08] <Tonio_> what a joke.....
[08:36] <Quintasan> Hiho
[08:37]  * Quintasan is back from trip
[08:38] <bittin> :o
[09:56] <eagles0513875> can someone take a look at the upstream bug of bug 301698 the problem could not be reproduced with qt 4.5.0 r961909
[10:00] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: see ... what do you want to know in this case?
[10:00] <eagles0513875> for instance since it probably needs testing who to assing it to
[10:01] <apachelogger> yourself?
[10:02] <eagles0513875> how woudl i go about testing this bug though
[10:02] <apachelogger> this case is extremly difficult because upstream did not even request data, but just noted that it seems unreproducible in trunk
[10:03] <eagles0513875> gotcha thing is i have never gotten an error like that when posting to launchpad
[10:03] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: apply all patches from qt-copy (in kde svn) to our qt package and rebuild the package, then try if the bug still appears
[10:03]  * eagles0513875 needs to figure out packaging and pbuilder
[10:03] <apachelogger> well
[10:04] <apachelogger> another option is to check the patch names to try find those which might have fixed this issue
[10:04] <apachelogger> or read through the patches themselfs
[10:04] <eagles0513875> ok
[10:04] <apachelogger> as said, difficult to do anything on that bug
[10:05] <eagles0513875> should i ask jon bout how to proceed i know its not nice to lump it on someone else but for right now i think its above me level
[10:05] <apachelogger> you can
[10:05]  * apachelogger wants to note that his trunk build still exposes that bug though
[10:06] <eagles0513875> ahhhh ok
[10:06] <apachelogger> that build is > 1 week old, but I doubt the issue was fixed in the meantime
[10:06] <eagles0513875> i feel bad lumping this on him im still a novice i admit as well that i dont have much time to bug fix i can report bugs upstream but that is about it for now till after 19th of may
[10:08] <eagles0513875> another question not realted to this bug but devel in general im packaging an updated snapshot of kvirc 4.0 would it make it into the kubuntu-experimental ppa or stay just in my personal ppa
[10:12] <apachelogger> technically it should go into karmic and then jaunty-backport
[10:12] <apachelogger> s
[10:13] <eagles0513875> so anythign that gets updated goes into the next release then pushed back to the previous release
[10:13] <apachelogger> well, the backport only happens if the package qualifies for backport
[10:14] <eagles0513875> what would make something get pushed to jaunty as an update
[10:14] <apachelogger> like a KDE beta will probably not qualify for backport as it actually degrades what is in jaunty by default
[10:14] <eagles0513875> for instance an updated kvirc snapshot wouldnt that not hurt anything its just an upgrade to latest version of kvirc which is in jaunty
[10:15] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: well, update != update ... there are stable release updates (minor changes with considerable great impact ... e.g. fixing a crash) ... there are security updates.... and there are backports (which are mostly new versions)
[10:15] <apachelogger> like amarok 2.1.0 will qualify for backports, but not for SRU nor security
[10:15] <eagles0513875> ahhhhh ok that clears up alot of stuff
[10:16] <eagles0513875> backports repos is like the bleeding edge stuff
[10:16] <apachelogger> well, kinda
[10:16] <eagles0513875> would pbuilder work for installing it on the local machine then building the package
[10:17] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: svn snapshot is a different story though, an svn snapshot only would qualify when jaunty included a svn snaphot and when there is no stable release available
[10:17] <eagles0513875> thing is i dunno what was done for jaunty in regards to kvirc 4.0
[10:17] <apachelogger> or when the new snapshot provides considerable improvements over the stable release
[10:17] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: what would you need to know?
[10:18] <eagles0513875> was kvirc for jaunty built from svn
[10:19] <apachelogger> take a look at the version number in jaunty
[10:19] <apachelogger> also, there was no kvirc 4 release yet, so...
[10:20] <eagles0513875> gotcha
[10:20] <eagles0513875> and that is a way outdated version in the repos
[10:20] <eagles0513875> its 3039 and they are on 3190
[10:21] <eagles0513875> another question what would cause an svn version of a program to make a release like kvirc for instance
[10:22] <apachelogger> can't follow
[10:22] <eagles0513875> what cause kvirc which is still in svn what got it to be allowed into jaunty
[10:23] <apachelogger> a horribly broken KDE 3 version I suppose
[10:24] <apachelogger> you should ask the uploader though
[10:24] <eagles0513875> ok
[10:24] <ikonia> it's just common sense surly ?
[10:24] <ikonia> the best available package is taken
[10:25] <eagles0513875> even if its missing alot of features
[10:25] <eagles0513875> for instance themed backgrounds dont work in the version in the repo
[10:25] <ikonia> if it's the best available - it doesn't matter what's in t
[10:25] <ikonia> eagles0513875: does it work on any other versions ?
[10:25] <eagles0513875> on the 3.4.2 it does
[10:26] <eagles0513875> which is stable
[10:26] <ikonia> what is the version in the repo ?
[10:26] <eagles0513875> svn 3039 and they are on svn 3190
[10:27] <ikonia> eagles0513875: has the feature your talking about been removed or is it a bug
[10:27] <ikonia> it's unusual for a feature to be removed in later versions
[10:28] <eagles0513875> i think it hasnt been implemented in the version that is currently in the repo
[10:28] <eagles0513875> i havent installed the latest snapshot
[10:28] <ikonia> is the svn repo a new branch or just an update to the existing?
[10:28] <eagles0513875> i dont understand what you mean
[10:29] <eagles0513875> i got the code from the svn of kvirc
[10:29] <ikonia> is the branch your talking about in the svn repo a brand new branch, or is it building on the existing code base ?
[10:29] <eagles0513875> building on the existing code i think not sure
[10:30] <ikonia> so how can it not have been implmented if it's on the same branch ?
[10:30] <eagles0513875> i see where you are coming from so then its most likely a bug
[10:30] <ikonia> I don't know as I don't use it,
[10:31] <eagles0513875> ill have to compile the latest svn code and see if the issue still exists
[10:32] <ikonia> how are you compiling it, are you using the same options as the existing deb package ?
[10:32] <eagles0513875> i dunno how it was compiled
[10:32] <ikonia> or are you just typing make && make install ?
[10:32] <eagles0513875> no it seems to use cmake so ill be using cmake
[10:32] <eagles0513875> i tried with make and make install but there is no make file to go with
[10:33] <ikonia> ok - but you need to make sure you use the same options as the existing deb package or it's a pointless test that will give miss-leading results
[10:33] <eagles0513875> how can i determine what was used
[10:33] <ikonia> strip the deb
[10:33] <eagles0513875> ok
[10:33] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: see how cmake got invoked in the build log :P
[10:34] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: after stripping it
[10:34] <apachelogger> ikonia: the svn version doesn't have said feature because it gets rewriten for KDE 4
[10:34] <apachelogger> which usually comes down to gets rewrittencompletely
[10:34] <ikonia> apachelogger: which is why I was asking if it was a difference branch or not
[10:34] <eagles0513875> i didnt know :(
[10:35] <eagles0513875> to be honest it looks the same as 3.4.2
[10:35] <ikonia> looks has nothing to do with it
[10:35] <apachelogger> ikonia: amarok 2 is not a different branch and yet has barely any relation to amarok 1's code ;-)
[10:35] <ikonia> hence why I was asking about the code base
[10:35] <eagles0513875> gotcha
[10:35] <ikonia> apachelogger: may not be a different branch in the repo - but it's a fresh branch of code
[10:35] <ikonia> although I don't know amarok at all really
[10:35] <apachelogger> nope
[10:35] <apachelogger> got based upon amarok 1
[10:36] <ikonia> how can it be based on amarok 1 yet be a re-write ?
[10:36] <eagles0513875> hahah just found the cmaake flags
[10:36] <eagles0513875> dont have to strip the deb its under the about kvirc
[10:36] <apachelogger> ikonia: that is what happens when you port, refactor and enhance at the same time :D
[10:37] <ikonia> ok - so it is a seperate branch - it's a new base
[10:37] <apachelogger> it became a new base
[10:37] <apachelogger> however, how would you tell it is
[10:37] <apachelogger> features can also get lost because of the porting alone
[10:37] <ikonia> thats a good point if it's not noted
[10:37] <apachelogger> when there is a non-trivial problem preventing the feature's portation for example
[10:38] <eagles0513875> which in the case of kvirc the theme feature got lost
[10:38] <ikonia> eagles0513875: do you know it's got lost as you just said it looked like a bug ?
[10:38] <ikonia> I don't know - which is why I'm asking
[10:38]  * apachelogger would bet on unfinished porting in this case
[10:38] <eagles0513875> i wont know until i try the updated svn version
[10:39] <eagles0513875> in the about kvirc this is showing this was built on march 7th which is almost 2 months old
[10:40] <ikonia> two months old isn't old
[10:40] <eagles0513875> depending on how active the dev team is alot could change
[10:40] <jussi01> !best
[10:41] <jussi01> or rather
[10:41] <eagles0513875> mornign to you too jussi01
[10:41] <jussi01> !wfm
[10:41] <apachelogger> hm
[10:41] <apachelogger> that clearly doesn't fit SVN 90% of the time
[10:41]  * jussi01 waves in apachelogger's direction
[10:42] <apachelogger> yo jussi01
[10:43]  * eagles0513875 goes and sits in corner and ponders packaging an updated kvirc version to replace the one thats in repos
[10:45] <eagles0513875> do you think its a bad idea to have an updated version of kvirc since its still in svn and also in jaunty
[10:46] <apachelogger> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/19358/
[10:47]  * eagles0513875 waits for konqueror to crash
[10:48] <eagles0513875> that got my vote i think it would be kool to have the unique login scree like we do splash screen for kubuntu
[10:51] <apachelogger> maybe I should file an idea "people should stop complaining about kubuntu artwork, but do something about it"
[10:51] <ikonia> I was just about to say there are tons on kde-look, ubuntu-fy one and submit it
[10:53] <apachelogger> well, they would need to fit in
[10:53] <apachelogger> just having a splash doesn't cut the chese
[10:53] <ikonia> of course not,
[10:53] <apachelogger> along with that we'd need a kdm theme and probably a wallpaper
[10:53] <Quintasan> FFFFUUUU
[10:53] <ikonia> ?
[10:53] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you package minion?
[10:54] <Quintasan> apachelogger: what?
[10:54] <apachelogger> are you a packaging minion?
[10:54]  * eagles0513875 wants to eventually become a package minion
[10:54] <Quintasan> apachelogger: looks like :D
[10:54] <apachelogger> Quintasan: anything up on revu to revu?
[10:54] <eagles0513875> i think gnomefreak is as well lol he was packaging seamonkey when he came on lol
[10:54] <Quintasan> currently I'm trying to package new minirok but debuild complains about symbolic links
[10:55] <Quintasan> dunno how to deal with it
[10:55] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: i finished Seamonkey nightly yesterday
[10:55] <apachelogger> Quintasan: show build log
[10:55] <eagles0513875> ahhh my bad
[10:56] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ok I need a second because I cleared source :P
[10:56] <apachelogger> oi vei!
[10:58] <eagles0513875> koffice has a broken dependency and when installing that dependency first it wants to uninstall my whole kde desktop :(
[10:59] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/f66e17ca6
[10:59] <Quintasan> eagles0513875: You are running jaunty?
[10:59] <apachelogger> ah
[11:00] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you seem to have generated binary blop in your source tree
[11:00] <apachelogger> that is preventing dpkg-source from creating the diff and makes it wanna die
[11:00] <eagles0513875> Quintasan: ya i am but stripped it down to kde-base install and building it up that way and when i did this same thing on intrepid the same issue
[11:00] <Quintasan> apachelogger: duuno, I did "git clone"
[11:01] <Quintasan> eagles0513875: Wouldn't it be easier to start with Ubuntu Server and install KDE packages?
[11:01] <apachelogger> ah my fault
[11:01] <apachelogger> Quintasan: dpkg-source: error:   new version is symlink to minirok
[11:01] <apachelogger> dpkg-source: error:   old version is directory
[11:02] <eagles0513875> Quintasan: not a big problem on kubuntu purge kde*
[11:02] <apachelogger> that means minirok-2.0/src is a directory with $content in the tarball
[11:02] <apachelogger> but in your source tree it is a symlink to the directory minirok
[11:02] <eagles0513875> thing is  koffice is really annoying me i cannot install it due to kformula dependency issue and when i try to install kformula it wants to uninstall kde
[11:02] <Quintasan> apachelogger: hmm, I tared and gzipped the git tree I downloaded
[11:02] <apachelogger> so either the tarball is all messed up  or you poluted your source tree :P
[11:03] <apachelogger> Quintasan: well, try to do it again
[11:03] <apachelogger> and make sure you get rid of the .git dir before taring it up
[11:03] <Quintasan> hm ok
[11:04] <eagles0513875> any idea as to why when installing the missing dependency of koffice which is kformula it wants to remove anythign kde that is installed
[11:04] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: #kubuntu
[11:04] <apachelogger> for support
[11:04] <eagles0513875> ok
[11:05] <Quintasan> eagles0513875: use aptitiude, it shows available solutions for dependencies problems
[11:05] <eagles0513875> Quintasan: normally i use apt-get build-dep koffice
[11:05] <eagles0513875> i think there is a bug in the koffice package
[11:06]  * a|wen notes that if aptitude offers less than 180 options, you haven't messed your system up bad enough
[11:06] <Quintasan> lol
[11:07] <eagles0513875> morning a|wen
[11:07] <eagles0513875> ill have to take a look at the koffice source code
[11:07] <Quintasan> Hi a|wen
[11:07] <a|wen> and hi
[11:07] <a|wen> the sad thing was, that none of the 180 options was what i wanted :/
[11:09] <Quintasan> apachelogger: looks like taring didn't preserve symlinks
[11:09] <Quintasan> I wonder how should I do it
[11:10] <eagles0513875> Quintasan: im not a package master but have you tried pbuilder
[11:10] <eagles0513875> it buidls the package using the .dsc file
[11:10] <Quintasan> eagles0513875: I'm using pbuilder
[11:10] <eagles0513875> ahh my bad
[11:11]  * Quintasan wonders how to create karmic pbuilder env
[11:11] <a|wen> Quintasan: make a jaunty one and dist-upgrade
[11:11] <a|wen> and re-creat a fresh one, when we get a debootstrab that supports karmic
[11:12] <Quintasan> a|wen: lol, looks like the best solution is easiest one, thanks :P
[11:12] <a|wen> Quintasan: he :) wish it was always so :P
[11:14]  * a|wen loves his modified pbuilder-dist making all those things easy
[11:15] <Quintasan> ARGH
[11:16]  * Quintasan cloned minirok tree for 30th time
[11:18] <Quintasan> YEAH
[11:18] <Quintasan> I just discovered --preserve option for tar
[11:22] <Quintasan> ....
[11:22] <apachelogger> Quintasan: TBH, there shouldn't be in the source to begin with
[11:23] <apachelogger> you might wanna poke $upstream in the eye
[11:23] <Quintasan> apachelogger: nvm this
[11:23] <Quintasan> apachelogger: It woked
[11:23] <apachelogger> still, go complain
[11:23] <Quintasan> apachelogger: but python-kde4-dev has wrong permissons on pykdeuic.py (no +x) and I can't do "make ui"
[11:24] <apachelogger> again?
[11:24] <Quintasan> and if I don't make it then configuration dialogs don't work
[11:24]  * apachelogger fixed that stuff like 300 times by now
[11:24] <Quintasan> apachelogger: It was just downloaded and installed by pbuilder :/
[11:24] <apachelogger> maybe we should start a suite of QA tests for bindings
[11:24] <apachelogger> that package is regressing like no other
[11:25] <Quintasan> ok so I will leave minrok until this get's fixed
[11:25] <Quintasan> minirok*
[11:28] <apachelogger> Quintasan: meanwhile you can annoy upstream with not creating symlinks though :D
[11:28] <Quintasan> apachelogger: sure I will, such things give me headace :<
[11:32] <Quintasan> woah gcc 4.4
[11:34] <apachelogger> hmmmm
[11:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping?
[11:34] <apachelogger> vorian: ping
[11:34] <apachelogger> no one heere
[11:35] <apachelogger> Quintasan: would you happen to know whether we are using pkg-kde-tools yet?
[11:35] <Quintasan> apachelogger: nope :(
[11:35] <apachelogger> :S
[11:36] <a|wen> apachelogger: only in synced packages
[11:36] <apachelogger> a|wen: why not in the others?
[11:36] <apachelogger> that would mean that we have to keep kde4.mk from cdbs and the one in pkg-kde in sync
[11:37] <a|wen> apachelogger: because it places the docs in a dir where they are not found
[11:37] <apachelogger> Riddell is linking isn't he?
[11:37] <apachelogger> anyway, I'll just cdbs for now
[11:37] <apachelogger> but pkg-kde is the longterm target
[11:37] <apachelogger> a|wen: + we can change that pretty easily :P
[11:38] <a|wen> apachelogger: yeah .. but that would lead to half the synced packages FTBFS'ing on us
[11:39] <a|wen> apachelogger: but Riddell will probably do some link-magic in kdelibs ... and the long-term target is to use pkg-kde-tools (and alligning our doc-paths)
[11:40] <apachelogger> well, debian can't align until they dropped kdebase3
[11:40] <a|wen> and that will propably take a while i suppose
[11:41] <a|wen> well if we get the symlink-magic in place, then we should be good
[11:41] <apachelogger> Quintasan: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-widget-klicker
[11:41] <apachelogger> can you pleas tell me why that changelog lists 3 entries?
[11:42] <Quintasan> dunno, I think it was dropped, let me check
[11:42] <apachelogger> a|wen: it all seems rather weird anyway
[11:43] <apachelogger> neversfelde: bug #364926
[11:44] <Quintasan> apachelogger: looks like it's not going to be developed anymore, could you remove it please?
[11:44] <apachelogger> Quintasan: only revu admins can
[11:45] <apachelogger> you might catch one in #ubuntuwire
[11:57] <ScottK> NCommander: Would you please rescore the kile and alarm-clock srus in Jaunty.
[12:05] <apachelogger> Quintasan: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-widget-pgame
[12:06] <apachelogger> Quintasan: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-widget-gxmailnotify
[12:17]  * apachelogger notes that apps using qmake usually are the ones with the worst tarball
[12:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: I am using pkg-kde-tools
[12:46] <Riddell> a|wen: link magic?
[12:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, we should start a full migration
[12:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: yep, the merges should migrate it
[12:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, I was thinking about not adding new packages with cdbs' kde4.mk
[12:57] <apachelogger> then over time we can move the others to use pkg-kde-tools
[12:59] <Riddell> yes, there shouldn't be a reason to use kde4.mk now
[13:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was thinking about replacing k3b and kaffeine by their respective kde4 version in karmic
[13:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you think we should do this right now ?
[13:36]  * Tonio_ even thinks we should install kaffeine as default video player
[13:37]  * eagles0513875 thinks we need to find something better the pulse audio to use. i have more problems then its worth. i cant use my hd sound card drivers :(
[13:38] <Lure> do we have qt 4.5.1 and qt-creator 1.1 in some ppa?
[13:38] <Lure> hi Tonio_
[13:38] <Tonio_> Lure: ey !
[13:38]  * Lure wants to try qt-creator after all the positive blog posts
[13:39] <Lure> Tonio_: how are you?
[13:39] <Tonio_> Lure: appart from my eyes, I'm doing well :)
[13:39] <Lure> Tonio_: +1 on getting k3b and kaffeine asap in karmic
[13:39] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm having an eye surgery this summer, little problem on that point :/
[13:40] <Lure> Tonio_: ups, that does not sound that good
[13:40] <Lure> Tonio_: do you plan to come to akademy?
[13:40]  * Lure is considering...
[13:40] <Tonio_> Lure: my company on't pay since I'm leaving my job
[13:40] <Tonio_> hehe
[13:40] <Tonio_> Lure: I probably won't
[13:40] <apachelogger> Tonio_, Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot036.png
[13:40] <apachelogger> partitionmanager beta2
[13:40] <Lure> oh, got something better?
[13:40] <apachelogger> with kcm
[13:40] <apachelogger> hrrhrr
[13:41] <Tonio_> apachelogger: packaged on my ppa fyi
[13:41] <apachelogger> Tonio_: lul, I just updated for karmic :P
[13:41] <Tonio_> apachelogger: ah ;)
[13:41] <eagles0513875> Tonio_: i think they will regret loosing you
[13:41] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I'm not that in what pkg-kde-tool is doing... do we have to stop using kde4.mk ?
[13:42] <apachelogger> you really should create a bug report when you update something and don't upload to $archive right away :P
[13:42] <apachelogger> Tonio_: that is a good question indeed
[13:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: do we have to?
[13:42] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: bah... everyone can be replaced
[13:42] <eagles0513875> Tonio_: but the next guy might not be as good as you then they will regret it
[13:42] <Tonio_> apachelogger: what are the benefits in using pkg-kde-tools ?
[13:43] <apachelogger> there are none
[13:43] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: the only big problem is that I'm the only one to know everything about the french parliament
[13:43] <apachelogger> well, no important ones at least
[13:43] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: I did their distribution mostly alone.... and they'll have to provide support
[13:43] <eagles0513875> Tonio_: then they will be begging to get you back
[13:43] <apachelogger> for one we don't need to update all of cdbs to get our kde stuff sorted
[13:43] <apachelogger> second all the kde related build stuff is in one package
[13:43] <apachelogger> that's about it
[13:43] <MatratzenMatze> qtCreator is an very good program IMHO
[13:44] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: they won't :) cause they know once I've decided something, there's no way I can get back
[13:44] <eagles0513875> Tonio_: sent you pm to not take channel ot
[13:47] <Riddell> Tonio_, apachelogger: pkg-kde-tools is the debian version of kde4.mk, since we don't want to alter from debian for no reason we should use pkg-kde-tools
[13:47] <apachelogger> okies
[13:48] <Riddell> kde4.mk only exists because debian weren't getting round to adding a separate cdbs file, now they have we should use it, it's effectively identicle anyway
[13:48] <Riddell> Tonio_: I've not looked at kaffeine but if we're certain they'll be stable for karmic we should upgrade to the kde 4 versions
[13:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: it's mostly finished right now
[13:50]  * apachelogger updates partitionmanager with pkg-kde
[13:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: target is kde 4.3
[13:51]  * eagles0513875 should get back ot upstreaming bugs but will have to do that when im fedup of revising
[13:54] <Riddell> Tonio_: go for it then
[13:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: kk
[14:43]  * Riddell spots http://www.kubuntu-de.org/english/interview-with-kubuntu-developer-jonathan-thomas
[14:44] <eagles0513875> O_O
[14:44] <eagles0513875> damn that puts me to shame
[14:44] <eagles0513875> im 22 this month and i dotn know how to do jack squat cept upstream bug reporting lol
[14:48] <eagles0513875> Riddell: thanks for pointing that out im learning bout alot of kool stuff in jaunty
[14:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: we should blog, fridge, UWN, NYT ...
[14:52] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: your mentioned in the interview that jon gave
[14:52] <apachelogger> uh
[14:52] <apachelogger> *reads*
[14:52] <eagles0513875> near the bottom bout what a ninja is
[14:52] <eagles0513875> he mentions you in there
[14:53] <apachelogger> hm
[14:53]  * apachelogger thinks that his bug triage work is much more valuable than streamlining the release packaging
[14:53] <eagles0513875> lol
[14:53] <apachelogger> then again who wants to know about how I triaged 500 bugs a day by forwarding everything to jonny :P
[14:54] <eagles0513875> hahahahahaha
[14:54] <eagles0513875> he puts me to shame
[14:55]  * eagles0513875 will be back later to upstream more bugs after a nap and getting fedup of revising
[15:13] <apachelogger> hm
[15:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: I include the kde.mk file, don't I?
[15:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/162855/
[15:15] <Riddell> or /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/1/debian-qt-kde.mk
[15:15] <Riddell> it's missing debhelper.mk
[15:16] <Riddell> debian-qt-kde.mk brings that in and quilt
[15:17] <apachelogger> ah
[15:17] <apachelogger> thx
[15:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: our magic must be applied so that debian-qt-kde doesn't insist on quilt being installed
[15:27] <Riddell> oh aye forgot about that
[15:27] <Riddell> go ahead if you want to
[15:27] <apachelogger> sure
[15:36] <ScottK> apachelogger: You might want to send that back to Debian qt-kde team.
[16:06] <udoeverything> a|wen: I made the plasma network thingie crash again, but the debug output is not the same as on the link you sent me
[16:32] <eagles0513875> udoeverything: what are you doign to make it crash maybe i can do the same and can confirm you bug
[16:33] <udoeverything> eagles0513875: it right click and pick the crtl+S option (on my german system) and then I just change something and press OK
[16:34] <eagles0513875> well im on english lets me try
[16:34] <udoeverything> eagles0513875: I am running the experimental from the PPA
[16:34] <eagles0513875> i am as well
[16:34] <eagles0513875> but it didnt crash for me
[16:35] <eagles0513875> a|wen: did you change something from the widget that you have in your ppa to the one in kubuntu-experimental
[16:35] <udoeverything> eagles0513875: It didn't for me either .. yesterday. Today it did ..
[16:35] <eagles0513875> have you updating anything
[16:36] <tsimpson> oops
[16:36] <tsimpson> stdbot: part
[16:36] <udoeverything> eagles0513875: I am running Jaunty + normal updates and network plasma widget from the PPA
[16:37] <eagles0513875> same here but on 64bit
[16:37] <udoeverything> eagles0513875: OK, I am 32bit
[16:37] <eagles0513875> strange
[16:37] <udoeverything> eagles0513875: shall I upload the crashlog somewhere?
[16:37] <eagles0513875> udoeverything: pastebin then ping a|wen with it
[16:38] <udoeverything> kk
[16:38] <eagles0513875> hes the one managing that
[16:40] <udoeverything> a|wen: crashlog plasma network widget http://pastebin.com/m34b6a5eb
[16:40] <eagles0513875> udoeverything: just sit and wait
[16:42] <udoeverything> eagles0513875: OK, it doesn't really affect me much. Shakey Xorg on ATI is way worse ;)
[16:43] <eagles0513875> good luck with that i have a really annoying audio problem where alsa seems to want to use the pulse audio driver instead of one of 2 drivers of my hd sound card
[16:45] <udoeverything> yeah, Video and Sound are major construction sites ATM :(
[16:46] <eagles0513875> for me with jaunty im happy that i have direct rendering out of the box with my card which is quite impressive i havent had to install the proprietary driver and im reluctant to
[16:46] <udoeverything> being dependent on Skype stinks too :)
[16:46] <eagles0513875> bah need to get my internal mic and camera working and wacom too
[16:47] <udoeverything> yeah, I have a Intel netbook and a AMD desktop .. both have Issues atm. I had to switch to Fedora on the netbook ( KMS etc are nice )
[16:49] <eagles0513875> udoeverything: see pm
[17:20] <neversfelde> what means /bin/tar: Record size = 8 blocks
[17:20] <neversfelde> after calling lintian?
[17:46] <apachelogger> neversfelde: debian bug 522530
[17:46] <apachelogger> does someone wanna do a cool blog post?
[17:46] <neversfelde> apachelogger: thx
[17:54] <asd> k
[17:54] <Bloggeratti> hello
[17:55] <bittin> hllo
[17:55] <bittin> *hello
[18:10] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: we found our blog minion
[18:12] <Bloggeratti> god darn it , it there not one good blog software that i can use on my KDE desktop, though which i can post to Blogger, proprely!!!!!!!!!!!
[18:15] <neversfelde> Bloggeratti: probably the wrong channel?
[18:17] <Bloggeratti> naah i am a devloper, i was making changes to BloGTK , apprently i still hate it more than everyone else
[18:18] <eagles0513875> lol
[18:23] <apachelogger> hm
[18:23] <apachelogger> where did he go to? :P
[18:24] <eagles0513875> thats your blogger for ya
[18:24] <apachelogger> bilbo is sensible
[18:24]  * apachelogger already blogged
[18:24] <eagles0513875> hes swearing at bloggtk it seems like
[18:24] <neversfelde> #BloGTK-devel probably
[18:24] <neversfelde> :)
[18:24] <apachelogger> http://apachelog.blogspot.com/2009/05/checkinstall-debs-done-cmake-way.html
[18:25] <eagles0513875> is cmake replacing the traditional make make install method
[18:25] <apachelogger> no
[18:25] <a|wen> sebas: crash in the widget rev 961845 (so less than a day old) http://pastebin.com/m34b6a5eb
[18:25] <apachelogger> it is replacing configure and all the asorted stuff
[18:27]  * txwikinger hates nvidia
[18:27] <eagles0513875> hi txwikinger whats wrong
[18:27] <apachelogger> nvidia
[18:27] <apachelogger> that is wrong :P
[18:27] <eagles0513875> i have direct rendering without having the proprietary driver installed which is funny
[18:27] <eagles0513875> ati is mroe wrong the nvidia
[18:28] <apachelogger> nope, ati specs are available which makes it less wrong
[18:28] <txwikinger> everytime I upgrade kubuntu the nvidia is playing up
[18:28] <txwikinger> I am tired of it
[18:28] <txwikinger> I will never buy nvidia again
[18:28] <sebas> a|wen: that's one weird crash, the offending line goes:
[18:28] <sebas> She'll join us for dinner at 2000 it seems
[18:28] <sebas> Ah.
[18:28] <eagles0513875> txwikinger: purge it and reinstall the driver
[18:28] <sebas> Hmpf.
[18:28] <sebas>     int old = m_numberOfWlans;
[18:28] <sebas> that one :)
[18:28]  * apachelogger scratches head
[18:28] <txwikinger> eagles0513875: Already done
[18:28] <sebas> And m_numberOfWlans is 99 as the bt says
[18:28] <apachelogger> that is one weird code right there
[18:29] <eagles0513875> txwikinger: still same issues
[18:29] <txwikinger> apachelogger: No wonder if you wrote it :p
[18:29] <apachelogger> nah, sebas did :P
[18:29]  * apachelogger only writes weird code when writing ruby, though that might be due to ruby
[18:29] <a|wen> apachelogger: lol
[18:30]  * sebas only wrote the Plasma bits
[18:30] <txwikinger> a language that is name ruby must be an issue in the first place
[18:30] <sebas> a|wen: is that a reproducable crash?
[18:30] <apachelogger> hm, italy buys $world
[18:31] <apachelogger> at least in a $carworld POV
[18:31] <eagles0513875> a|wen: did you see the paste bin of crash that someone got earlier with network manager im on 64bit and was unable to reproduce it
[18:31] <a|wen> eagles0513875: do you have the version from kubuntu-experimental?
[18:32] <a|wen> sebas: i'm testing it in a few moments ... snapshot is only a few hours old, so wasn't built when i last was at the pc
[18:32] <sebas> Aight, I'll be out for dinner in 20 minutes though
[18:33] <sebas> Likely to return back online later on though
[18:34] <a|wen> sebas: not reproducable here
[18:34] <sebas> Ok, weird, but I can't do anything about it.
[18:36] <a|wen> sebas: okay ... there looks to have been a lot of reordering today; so i'll see if it appears after that is finished
[18:36] <sebas> We've been polishing things and hacking on it for the afternoon
[18:36] <a|wen> so i could see :)
[18:36] <sebas> I'm at the Amarok sprint at our office in Berlin right now
[18:36] <sebas> We didn't write new crashes though ;)
[18:37] <a|wen> hehe ... you wrote them out of the code instead :)
[18:38] <apachelogger> just commeneted out .... for later use :P
[18:38] <a|wen> :P
[18:40] <apachelogger> neversfelde: fancytasks?
[18:40] <apachelogger> oh dear
[18:40] <neversfelde> apachelogger: Apple feeling :)
[18:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: is there some gui to taskel .. maybe we should make the plasmoids group-installable via taskel?
[18:40] <apachelogger> neversfelde: missing launchpad bug
[18:40] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think just a metapackage for Universe widgets.
[18:41] <neversfelde> apachelogger: there is no bug, shall I create it by myself?
[18:41] <apachelogger> neversfelde: don't package without launchpad bug, you see where that goes with fotowall  :P
[18:41] <apachelogger> neversfelde: yes
[18:41] <neversfelde> mhh, ok
[18:41] <a|wen> neversfelde: looked like fotowall was on it's way to debian?
[18:42] <apachelogger> ScottK: dpkg should have a more sensible thing for that
[18:42] <ScottK> apachelogger: Could be, but once you have them installed, they show up in the widget selector, so that's enough.
[18:43] <apachelogger> sure, but it's a PITA ... there should be a way to mark plasmoids as such within the packaging itself
[18:43] <apachelogger> and then $apt gui should be able to install them
[18:43] <apachelogger> or any $group for that matter
[18:45] <neversfelde> a|wen: where can I check this? Anyway Alessandro was faster than me, so seems that I am out :)
[18:45] <apachelogger> neversfelde: please use pkg-kde-tools
[18:45] <apachelogger> include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/1/debian-qt-kde.mk
[18:45] <a|wen> neversfelde: the ubuntu bug was linked to a debian RFC-bug, that now was renamed to ITP
[18:46] <apachelogger> ITP is far away from "on it's way" :P
[18:46] <apachelogger> even "on it's way" is far away from "arrived"
[18:46] <neversfelde> :)
[18:47] <ScottK> It wouldn't hurt to mail the owner of the ITP to volunteer to collaborate or see how close they are.
[18:47] <a|wen> apachelogger: then let's call it "first step"
[18:47] <apachelogger> ScottK: agreed
[18:48] <apachelogger> a|wen: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-widget-fancytasks
[18:49] <apachelogger> a|wen: complained about missing packaging bug and pkg-kde-tools for the .mk
[18:51]  * a|wen looks
[18:52] <neversfelde> so pkg-kde-tools is for the make process?
[18:52] <neversfelde> I opened a [needs packaging bug] for that and will upload another version
[18:52] <apachelogger> neversfelde: yes
[18:52] <apachelogger> neversfelde: you shouldn't use kde4.mk from cdbs anymore
[18:53] <neversfelde> mhh
[18:53] <neversfelde> so only debhelper.mk
[18:54] <neversfelde> and a build dep on pkg-kde-tools?
[18:57] <apachelogger> neversfelde: no
[18:57] <apachelogger> neversfelde: the include I pasted enough
[18:57] <apachelogger> s/enough/above
[18:58] <apachelogger> instead of the kde4.mk one
[18:59] <neversfelde> sorry, did not notice this line
[18:59] <apachelogger> hm
[18:59] <apachelogger> hmmmmmmmmmm
[18:59] <apachelogger> neversfelde: IMHO that plasmoid should have been implemented as a panel containment
[19:00] <neversfelde> mhh?
[19:01] <a|wen> neversfelde: i can't see any other problems apart from those already covered by apachelogger
[19:01] <neversfelde> ok, I will upload a corrected version, thx
[19:02] <apachelogger> neversfelde: it should be an alternative panel implementation rather than a plasmoid
[19:02] <neversfelde> apachelogger: it is more a task manager replacement than a whole panel, I think
[19:03] <apachelogger> well
[19:03] <apachelogger> it is both
[19:04] <apachelogger> or rather, it needs both
[19:04] <apachelogger> just having it live in a default panel is awkward
[19:04] <apachelogger> not having it there takes away all the features a panel has
[19:04] <neversfelde> probably it will be a new kooldock someday, but I can't see that it is now
[19:05] <apachelogger> so IMHO it needs to be a panel implementation with hardcoded taskmanager
[19:05] <apachelogger> neversfelde: kooldock was a workaround
[19:05] <apachelogger> and if it becomes that it is a pastard application as it doesn't use the fancy plasma capabilities
[19:06] <neversfelde> should I rename it somehow?
[19:08] <neversfelde> mhh, I used kde4.mk for plasma-widget-stasks, so I should correct it
[19:14] <apachelogger> neversfelde: don't forget to take a look at the groupwise issue :P
[19:15] <apachelogger> bug 336626
[19:16] <apachelogger> akonaditray is autostart?
[19:18] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I had a look at it a few minutes ago and I think I understood the problem. But it seems to be a big task and my time is very limited these days, I hope I can get in touch with it soon
[19:19] <apachelogger> well, it's really just politics ;-)
[19:19] <apachelogger> you don't need to QA the SRU yourself
[19:19] <apachelogger> doubting that you have a groupwise server that would be difficult anyway
[19:21] <neversfelde> well, first I have to find out, what a SRU is :)
[19:28] <apachelogger> neversfelde: there is a pretty nice page in the wiki
[19:28] <apachelogger> with step-by-step guide
[19:28] <neversfelde> ok, will have a look at it
[19:29] <neversfelde> reuploaded that fancy thing
[19:29] <neversfelde> ist it possible to create a watch file for kde-look?
[19:30] <a|wen> afaik no
[19:30] <apachelogger> a|wen: ah
[19:30] <neversfelde> ok, thanks
[19:30] <apachelogger> do an ack
[19:31] <apachelogger> oh dear oh dear
[19:31] <apachelogger> neversfelde: did you testbuild?
[19:31] <neversfelde> apachelogger: yes
[19:31] <apachelogger> I don't trust you :P
[19:31]  * apachelogger invokes pbuild
[19:31] <neversfelde> hehe
[19:32]  * a|wen looks at fancytasks again
[19:37] <apachelogger> hmmmmmmmm
[19:37] <apachelogger> a|wen: builds and looks good
[19:37] <apachelogger> I am ready to upload if you are ok
[19:37] <apachelogger> wth
[19:38] <apachelogger> do launchpad cookies not stick with qwebkit anymore?
[19:38] <a|wen> i'm okay with the look of it ... but i was just going to testbuild it first
[19:38] <apachelogger> a|wen: already did :P
[19:38] <apachelogger> + neversfelde as well if you chose to trust him :P
[19:38] <neversfelde> seems that noone is trusting me :)
[19:39]  * a|wen wonders if he can trust apachelogger ;P
[19:39] <neversfelde> lol
[19:39] <apachelogger> hehe, young motus always so overly eager to testbuild :P
[19:39] <a|wen> apachelogger: so you want an ack in REVU, or is it okay for me to just give it here?
[19:39] <apachelogger> just here
[19:39] <apachelogger> I'll mention it on revu
[19:40] <apachelogger> time saver :D
[19:40] <a|wen> :)
[19:40] <a|wen> apachelogger: go ahead
[19:41] <apachelogger>   Uploading plasma-widget-fancytasks_0.8.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[19:41] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[19:41] <apachelogger> a|wen, neversfelde: thx
[19:42] <neversfelde> apachelogger: thank yoiu
[19:42] <neversfelde> -i
[19:42] <apachelogger> a|wen: wanna write a mail about pkg-kde-tools?
[19:42] <apachelogger> we probably should inform (k)ubuntu-devel
[19:42] <a|wen> apachelogger: eh?
[19:42] <apachelogger> that we now prefer pkg-kde-tools over kde4.mk in cdbs
[19:42] <a|wen> ahh, use pkg-kde-tools instead of kde4.mk
[19:43] <apachelogger> so that a) everyone changes packags and b) that no one lets new kde4.mk packages in
[19:44] <Tonio_> hum stupid question but why do we have both a kdewallpapers and a kdebase-workspace-wallpapers ?
[19:45] <Tonio_> isn't that a bit.... nasty ?
[19:45] <apachelogger> possibly
[19:45] <a|wen> apachelogger: i'll write op a short notice
[19:45] <apachelogger> !info kdewallpapers
[19:45] <apachelogger> ah
[19:45] <apachelogger> right
[19:46] <apachelogger> Tonio_: artists need to rediscover kdeartwork
[19:46] <apachelogger> as Riddell put the slogan
[19:46] <apachelogger> a|wen: k,thx
[19:46] <Tonio_> apachelogger: so it's just upstream stupid duplication ? :)
[19:46] <Tonio_> how stupid
[19:47] <apachelogger> well, upstream just doesn't get that no one needs some 10 wallpapers with an overall size of 50mib
[19:50] <eagles0513875> O_O
[19:50]  * eagles0513875 rubs eyes andl ooks again at the siz
[19:51]  * apachelogger redy ruby eys
[19:51] <apachelogger> +e
[19:51] <Tonio_> apachelogger: shouldn't we rename kdebase-workspace-wallpapers to kdewallpapers-extra ?
[19:51] <Tonio_> apachelogger: that would make it more clear isn't it ?
[19:51] <Tonio_> or at least provide it
[19:51] <apachelogger> well
[19:51] <apachelogger> it is extra to kdebase-workspace
[19:51] <apachelogger> so kdewallpapers shoudl be k-w-w-extra
[19:52] <apachelogger> if that at all
[19:52] <Tonio_> hum, yeah
[19:52] <Tonio_> well whatever the one to rename, the current different naming is really strange
[19:52]  * Tonio_ notes this to fix
[19:53] <apachelogger> Tonio_: probably needs discussion with debian and/or upstream
[19:53] <Tonio_> yup yup
[19:56] <apachelogger> uhh
[19:57] <apachelogger> no apachelogger at linuxtag
[19:57] <apachelogger> how sad is that
[20:05] <a|wen> apachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/1410581 ... something I've swallowed completely wrong here; or something i should change/add/remove?
[20:06] <apachelogger> a|wen: IMHO it indicates that one should upload to get that changed
[20:06] <apachelogger> which is not what people should do
[20:07] <apachelogger> at least I don't think so :D
[20:07] <apachelogger> rather update if/when you merge or if/when you upload a new upstream version
[20:07] <apachelogger> there is no need to flood the archives with uploads just to get that minor change done
[20:08] <a|wen> apachelogger: we agree there ... i'll adjust wordings :)
[20:08] <apachelogger> ok, thx, lookgs good otherwise
[20:09] <apachelogger> must by typo day again
[20:10] <a|wen> he
[20:11] <a|wen> apachelogger: change that paragraph to: "If you care for a KDE4(-based) application, please help by changing it to use pkg-kde-tools when a new upstream version is uploaded. If the (KDE4-version) of the package is in Debian you should hopefully be able to do that by a merge."
[20:11] <apachelogger> aye, good with me
[20:12] <a|wen> apachelogger: good; i'll send it to kubuntu-devel as well as ubuntu-devel ?
[20:13] <apachelogger> a|wen: aye, maybe also motu
[20:13] <a|wen> i'll add motu as well ... then we'll hopefully hit everyone
[20:20] <apachelogger> very good
[20:20] <apachelogger> a|wen++
[20:22] <a|wen> if not in anything else; then i can always be the secretary writing the mails :P
[20:22] <apachelogger> true
[20:23]  * apachelogger would need a mail minion anyway :P
[20:23] <apachelogger> a|wen: btw, did you take a look at the l10n paper?
[20:23] <seele> blah, that intel video driver update doesnt seem to have helped much
[20:23] <a|wen> apachelogger: uh, which one?
[20:23] <apachelogger> sec
[20:24] <apachelogger> a|wen: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ajk6csn6c2vn_0c6d8rp6w
[20:24] <apachelogger> this one
[20:30] <a|wen> apachelogger: looks pretty sensible to me
[20:32] <apachelogger> a|wen: any additions you can think of?
[20:34] <a|wen> apachelogger: no, can't think of anything missing ... looks very well thought through
[20:34] <apachelogger> okies, thanks
[21:30] <nielsslot> can someone tell me when the first KDE 4.3 beta packages should appear for Jaunty?
[21:33] <a|wen> nielsslot: we need kde to release the beta first :)
[21:34] <nielsslot> it's going to be released on May 12
[21:34] <nielsslot> i'm wondering if there are going to be packages around May 16
[21:35] <a|wen> nielsslot: the plan is to have PPA packages not to far after the release ... but if that is before may 16 is not known
[21:36] <nielsslot> a|wen: ok, thanks
[21:37] <a|wen> nielsslot: is it for demonstrational use on that date?
[21:37] <nielsslot> kdegames is planning at test day in that weekend
[21:38] <a|wen> nielsslot: specifically for the 4.3 branch or for trunk?
[21:39] <nielsslot> not sure.. shouldn't be that much of a difference..
[21:39] <nielsslot> a|wen: ^^
[21:40] <a|wen> nielsslot: right ... oh project-neon doesn't have packages for jaunty yet; so no idea in suggesting that
[21:41] <nielsslot> a|wen: i noticed that already, that's why i asked..
[21:42] <a|wen> nielsslot: ahh ... well, now i'm also up-to-date on that :)
[21:43] <a|wen> apachelogger: any plans for project-neon on jaunty?
[21:47] <a|wen> nielsslot: haven't seen you in here before?
[21:53] <neversfelde> apachelogger: so there is no kdepim-dev.install in Debian, seems to be a kubuntu problem.
[21:57] <neversfelde> yes, it is a difference "    - Keep our kdepim-dev package
[22:25] <ScottK> Somewhere in there is a changelog entry that goes something like "make kdepim-dev actually useful"
[22:25] <imbrandon> afternoon all
[22:31] <apachelogger> a|wen: already staging
[22:32] <apachelogger> actually already done
[22:32] <apachelogger> but I am doing a new rebuild
[22:32] <apachelogger> with new qt and all
[22:42] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: Aren't we meant to switch to pkg-kde-tools when we do new upstream releases now?
[22:44] <imbrandon> nhandler: yes
[22:46] <nielsslot> a|wen: i'm one of the KTurtle developers.. not very active on IRC though..
[22:48] <a|wen> nielsslot: okay ... but welcome then :)
[22:48] <nielsslot> a|wen: thanks :)
[22:49] <a|wen> nielsslot: just thought the name looked very homely
[22:50] <nielsslot> a|wen: 'homely'?
[22:50] <a|wen> nielsslot: nordic at least (DK)
[22:51] <nielsslot> a|wen: i'm dutch
[22:51] <a|wen> nielsslot: well, we get mixed up with that all the time in any case :)
[22:58] <ghostcube_> oha ein holländer
[22:59] <ghostcube_> :)
[23:10] <a|wen> well... fancytasks is great if it could stop randomly crashing plasma for me
[23:18] <a|wen> neversfelde: i hope you are ready to package when a new version arrives :)
[23:21] <a|wen> oh well, i suppose i wanted them grouped; can't change it back again
[23:50] <neversfelde> a|wen: sure :)
[23:50] <a|wen> neversfelde: perfect :) ... one advice; don't enable grouping if you don't want that ;)
[23:51] <neversfelde> :)