[00:04] <Seeker`> Doesn't have quite the same ring as "stanley kubrick"
[00:06] <genii> I like how the freenode boxes are all after sci-fi writers actually.
[00:41] <genii> Hockey, dinner, anxious puppy chasing cats, kids. /back later.
[00:47] <LjL> i like how they're after sci-fi writers, i like a little less the fact their MOTD contains a full and detailed biography of the respective sci-fi writers
[00:48] <LjL> *especially* when i'm on pay-by-the-byte GSM connections
[00:49] <Seeker`> LjL: nice
[00:49] <Seeker`> can't you turn MoTD off?
[00:50] <LjL> nope
[00:53] <Seeker`> :(
[01:03] <ThomasHC> Hello
[01:12] <bazhang> ThomasHC, how may we help you
[01:12] <ThomasHC> Yes I was here earlier
[01:12] <ThomasHC> I talked to ikonia I believe
[01:12] <ThomasHC> He told me to come back an hour later to look for Pici 
[01:31] <bazhang> ThomasHC, any reason to have 2 nicks joining here?
[01:32] <ThomasHC1> My net conenction died bazhang 
[01:32] <ThomasHC1> The other one hasn't pinged out yet
[01:33] <bazhang> ThomasHC1, pici does not seem to be around; I will give you some docs to read first
[01:33] <bazhang> !coc | ThomasHC1 
[01:33] <ThomasHC1> Ok, sure
[01:33] <bazhang> !guidelines | ThomasHC1 
[01:33] <ThomasHC1> Will do.
[01:45] <Pici> oh well. 
[01:45] <bazhang> he's still here.
[01:46] <ThomasHC1> I'm here
[01:46] <Pici> Oh, hello there.
[01:46] <ThomasHC> Hello Pici 
[01:46] <ThomasHC> Sorry, net cut out a while ago and it refused to ping out
[01:46] <Pici> Do you undertand why we forwarded you here?
[01:46] <ThomasHC> Yes I do.
[01:47] <ThomasHC> ikonia has explained why and such and bazhang has linked me to the ircguidelines and code of conduct
[01:49] <Pici> ThomasHC: And do you understand them?
[01:49] <ThomasHC> Yes, I do.
[01:50] <Pici> ThomasHC: I'm going to go ahead and remove the ban, please take our guidelines into concideration when you're in our channels. 
[01:50] <ThomasHC> Yes, I will thanks, funny when I use Xchat on Windows I get banned :D. back to irssi on linux? ;)
[01:51] <ThomasHC> Thank you, Pici see you later.
[01:51] <bazhang> not auspicious
[03:27] <genii> "I was reading something about CLI how do I install this as my desktop?" ... or so.... bleh
[03:37] <tonyyarusso> haha
[03:51] <Flannel> genii: sudo apt-get install placebo && sudo chvt 1
[03:52]  * Flannel wonders if he can convince people to modify apt-get to give dummy data on any package name ending in -placebo
[03:59] <genii> Flannel: I'll need to remember that one for later
[04:04] <genii> Please someone. lina69 in #u
[04:06] <genii> (my spanish is provided by babelfish....)
[04:26] <tonyyarusso> genii: that's what !es is for ;)
[04:27] <genii> tonyyarusso: They were already bombarded with !es a few times and continued with the "holaaaa!" stuff....
[04:27] <tonyyarusso> genii: that's what banforwards are for ;)
[04:28]  * genii makes a note to ask an #u op for that next time
[04:39] <tritium> genii: you're not one?
[04:40] <genii> tritium: #kubuntu only as far as I know
[04:40]  * tritium is surprised
[04:40] <genii> Although I hang out in #kubuntu #ubuntu #xubuntu etc etc
[04:41] <tritium> Yeah, which is why I thought you were an op in #.
[04:41] <tritium> in #ubuntu, rather
[04:41] <genii> tritium: I'll sometimes give the usual help or so as other ops do in #u but just usually call !ops or so when crap hits the fan, etc
[04:42] <tritium> :)
[04:42] <tritium> genii: mneptok arrived here today
[04:44] <genii> tritium: mneptok is who gives ops their channels?
[04:45] <genii> Or maybe he's just visiting you, I dunno :)
[04:46] <tritium> genii: he's not just visiting.  He moved here.
[04:46] <genii> So you're palling around, etc?
[04:47]  * genii hides the beer
[04:49] <elky> genii, in my experience, if they are doing 'holaaaaaaaaaa' instead of 'hola' then they have no intention of noting !es ;)
[04:49] <genii> elky: Noted :)
[04:51] <elky> it's basically the equivilent of 'wazzuuuuuuuuuuuup'
[04:52] <genii> Hehe
[04:52] <tritium> genii: he just arrived tonight
[04:53] <tritium> elky: who?
[04:54] <elky> tritium, who what? i was discussing troll classification with genii.
[04:54] <elky> tritium, say hi to mneptok and woo for me
[04:55] <genii> tritium: Earlier in #u a spanish speaker ignoring repeated !es   and so on
[04:55] <tritium> elky: oh, I thought you meant mneptok and I (Spanish-speaking is common here ;) )
[04:55] <tritium> elky: I will give them your regards
 i will have her  <-- -ot
[05:47] <tritium> Gah, I can't open files on my ntfs partition.
[05:48] <tritium> MS Office files are gibberish in OpenOffice.  evince complains it can't open octet/streams when I open PDFs.
[05:48]  * jussi01 waves tiredly from the airport....
[05:49] <elky> tritium, eww
[05:49] <tritium> Hi jussi01.
[05:49] <tritium> elky: yes, preventing me from getting work done.
[05:49] <tritium> Time to reboot :(
[05:49] <jussi01> tritium: hei!
[05:53] <jussi01> ok, time to go get on the plane...
[05:54] <tritium> Have a good flight.
[05:55] <jussi01> thanks...
[05:58] <genii> /msg chanserv access #kubuntu-offtopic list 
[05:58] <genii> bah
[05:58]  * genii hides in disgrace
[06:02] <tritium> Gah, as much as I hate to reboot, I need 1) working sound, and 2) access to my files on NTFS.
[06:02] <tritium> Good night.
[06:02] <bazhang> night
[06:02] <genii> tritium: Good night
[06:07] <elky> bazhang, you need to stop being so triggerhappy.
[06:07] <bazhang> elky, excuse me?
[06:07] <elky> bazhang, he was letting people know about a job opening.
[06:08] <bazhang> elky, that channel needs to be better monitored. has done so for a long time.
[06:08] <elky> suggesting a job opening is NOT trolling politics.
[06:08] <bazhang> if you are referring to a single instance with lenin_cat, then perhaps, but he has a long history of trolling politics
[06:09] <elky> bazhang, and if he had continued, *then* would have been the time to stop him
[06:09] <elky> bazhang, and i do hang in #wikipedia, i know exactly what he's like.
[06:09] <bazhang> elky, that is a single instance, and as I said, you may be correct. nothing to do with the state that channel has fallen into, and remains however.
[06:10] <elky> bazhang, lauding over every whiff of the o4o areas is not going to help at all.
[06:11] <bazhang> elky, pretending that things are alright in there wont do it either, which has been sop for a long while now.
[06:11] <elky> i am not pretending things are alright.
[06:11] <bazhang> a year or more.
[06:12] <elky> i have never pretended things are alright in that channel. but i am not going to start lynching on sight.
[06:13] <bazhang> not the issue.
[06:14] <bazhang> this has been mentioned many many times in the past, and just glossed over. that channel needs to be better monitored.
[06:14] <elky> bazhang, you are not the answer to that channel.
[06:15] <elky> bazhang, lynching people is not the answer to that channel.
[06:15] <bazhang> elky, no single person is, yourself included.
[06:15] <elky> bazhang, i never said i was. i am saying you're not.
[06:16] <bazhang> and taking a single instance of !politics to a person with a long history of trolling just that very thing is very selective representation of 'lynching'
[06:16] <bazhang> see the long thread with traveler and ubuntu before that.
[06:17] <elky> bazhang, and what would you have done if you were op?
[06:18] <bazhang> elky, it seems odd to me that if loco channels are trolling misogynistic/stalkerish then immediate action is taken, but when under the very auspices of the main channel adjunct, #ubuntu-offtopic, nothing substantive is done for a very long time. and remains unresolved to this date.
[06:19] <elky> bazhang, that is not what i asked.
[06:19] <bazhang> long threads of she is sooo hawt and the like
[06:19] <bazhang> elky, with regards to traveler and ubuntu? nothing differently.
[06:20] <elky> then why the heck bring it up?
[06:25] <bazhang> elky, I will refrain from commenting on that channel in future. thanks for the clarification.
[06:28] <elky> bazhang, dont be a brat. throughout the traveler discussion all i can see is you complaining about lol and enter. there's nothing there that's going to improve their behaviour at all. if you could guide by offering alternatives rather than just pouncing with canned responses, then they might.
[06:31] <elky> responding in a manner that encompasses their whole behaviour is more likely to get response. if you had said to lenin_cat 'i hope this isn't going to be another of your political rants' rather than 'dont troll politics' then you would have got a far better response.
[06:39] <genii> I tend to agree that the approach to someone makes all the difference.
[06:40] <Flannel> This just in!  Geeks discover social skills! Film at 11. :)
[06:42] <elky> fwiw, i contacted traveler in PM to avoid having snuxoll attack me in the channel again.
[06:43]  * genii tivos the 11pm news special to watch later
[06:43] <elky> however this now means one less set of eyes on that channel
[06:57] <elky> is nobody else watching #u :-/
[07:12] <Flannel> I'm around.  Coding.
[07:13] <elky> im around. still in my nightwear. it's 4pm.
[08:10] <genii> Hehe I like that the one fellow in #u thanked the bot
[08:11] <genii> The bot should reply with something like: You're welcome... enjoy Ubuntu!                       or such
[08:11] <genii> Just a thought, anyhow
[08:14] <elky> many problems arise when peeps think the bot is a people.
[08:16] <genii> Ah, hadn't considered. I suppose they may want to converse with it or so, using resources
[08:17] <elky> and spamming here, usually
[09:22] <ikonia> morning 
[09:33] <elky> ikonia, you missed fireworks again
[09:33] <ikonia> oh really
[09:34]  * elky points upwards
[09:34] <ikonia> got about 2 minutes logging at the moment as I reset my client,irssi is being a pain
[09:35] <ikonia> elky: una momento
[09:37] <elky> ikonia, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/05/02/%23ubuntu-ops.html look for 'triggerhappy'
[09:53] <elky> ikonia, did you read the log?
[10:03] <ikonia> reading
[10:05]  * jussi01 prods ikonia
[10:06]  * ikonia prods back
[10:06] <jussi01> genii: 
[10:06] <jussi01> ubottu: thanks
[10:06] <jussi01> ikonia: you are not in a phonable time?
[10:07]  * genii jars awake for a second
[10:07] <ikonia> jussi01: yup, just sat at home tidying up/doing odd jobs etc
[10:07] <ikonia> getting read to go up to London
[10:07] <genii> 5AM ... bleh
[10:07] <bazhang> hehe
[10:07] <jussi01> ikonia: can I call?
[10:08] <ikonia> sure
[10:08] <jussi01> ikonia: is your phone on silent...?
[10:09] <ikonia> oh yes, I went to bed late last night so put it on silent
[10:09] <ikonia> hang on 
[10:09] <evilGary> ikonia: come to Colchester?  we are having a LUG meet today
[10:10] <ikonia> evilGary: sorry in a studio in London
[10:10] <ikonia> jussi01: phone got
[10:10] <ikonia> is was on silent sorry
[10:29] <jussi01> ikonia: prod.
[10:32] <genii> OK, I'm off and /away for sleep. <brews a fresh pot of coffee and goes>
[10:32] <bazhang> night
[10:32] <elky> goes off for sleep... and brews more coffee on the way?
[10:34] <jussi01> elky: of course - the coffee is for us...
[10:35] <elky> ah
[10:36] <evilGary> ooo, I want coffee
[10:37] <jussi01> evilGary: come meet me in Liverpool and Ill buy you one :D
[10:37]  * elky has an espresso machine
[10:38] <elky> espresso machines are stupidly cheap. only like $100. it's stupid.
[10:40] <jussi01> elky: shush now
[11:02] <bazhang> heh
[11:27] <topyli> @login
[11:27] <topyli> @btlogin
[11:28] <topyli> @mark Jymm_is_a_douche is yaris1234567891
[13:07] <elky> bolt_, you need to stop being a problem, or you will find yourself banned from many more places. do you realise this?
[13:07] <bolt_> yes
[13:08] <elky> then why do you keep on doing it?
[13:08] <bolt_> i don't relise i'm doing it
[13:08] <elky> yes you do.
[13:09] <bolt_> untill now
[13:09] <elky> if you do not, then you should not be using the internet unsupervised.
[13:09] <elky> bolt_, have you been drinking alcohol or taking drugs at all?
[13:10] <bolt_> just melitoium at night nothing else and fish oil
[13:10] <elky> then you should be perfectly capable of controlling your own behaviour.
[13:11] <bolt_> yeah , and i have autisoum
[13:12] <elky> if that is influencing your behaviour on the internet, then you need to have supervision while you're online.
[13:13] <bolt_> i just get impashint 
[13:13] <elky> that's not a valid excuse for bad behaviour.
[13:14] <bolt_> oh right
[13:16] <elky> bolt_, also, the reason you were banned from here is that you were threatening people in here.
[13:16] <bolt_> i guessed that
[13:16] <elky> then you are aware of what you do.
[13:17] <elky> you are aware of what is right and what is wrong.
[13:17] <bolt_> somtimes i can control it
[13:18] <bolt_> yeah
[13:18] <elky> i dont think it's a matter of 'can', i think it's a matter of 'find it convenient to'
[13:18] <bolt_> oh ok
[13:20] <bolt_> right
[13:21] <elky> you can go now. you are not unbanned from #ubuntu and you will not be until you can behave appropriately.
[13:21] <elky> you should not use #ubuntu-offtopic for support either.
[13:22] <elky> please investigate ubuntuforums.org instead.
[13:22] <bolt_> but i can behave 
[13:22] <elky> not that i've seen.
[13:23] <elky> you are currently talking absolute rubbish in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[13:24] <bolt_> i'm trying to get help
[13:24] <nickspoon> #ubuntu-offtopic is not a support channel, bolt_.
[13:25] <bolt_> but i cant use #ubuntu or #kubuntu thats the ony other one i know
[13:26] <elky> bolt_, you can use ubuntuforums.org.
[13:26] <elky> or the mailing lists at lists.ubuntu.com
[13:26] <bolt_> i don't like it has the wong info that just makes the issue worse
[13:27] <elky> those are your options, since you have deprived yourself of #ubuntu and #kubuntu.
[13:29] <bolt_> non work
[13:29] <elky> !guidelines
[13:30] <bolt_> i know them already 
[13:30] <elky> then you really have no excuse.
[13:30] <bolt_> for what
[13:31] <elky> for your behaviour.
[13:31] <bolt_> right
[13:34] <bolt_> but its stopped now (if yu havent notaced)
[13:35] <elky> no, you're still asking for support in the non-support channel.
[13:35] <elky> despite several people asking you to stop.
[13:36] <bolt_> oh i haven relised
[13:36] <bolt_> better now
[13:37] <bolt_> and it stopped by magic
[13:38] <elky> then you dont need to be here anymore. we'll review your bans in a week if we see no more problems from you.
[13:39] <bolt_> great now a week , i cant wait anylonger then 1 day 
[13:41] <bolt_> oh great not another issue
[13:59] <elky> ducking out for a few minutes
[14:26] <elky> interesting nick...
[15:52] <elky> topyli, are you around enough to monitor -ot?
[15:56] <topyli> elky: on and off. sauna, grill, other stuff
[15:58]  * elky whimpers. i need to go to bed. got a committee meeting tomorrow. cant sleep all day :(
[15:58] <topyli> go to bed :)
[15:58] <elky> but -ot is full of tards today
[15:59] <bazhang> heh
[16:12] <bazhang> * [chowabunga] (n=chowabun@c-98-192-66-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net): chowabunga <--wonder if he is archlinux troll
[16:13] <LjL> bazhang: possible, but relatively unlikely
[16:14] <bazhang> LjL, okay, he is giving some bad advice/snark though. may also have me on /ignore
[16:21] <bazhang> seems to have settled down with the random comments now
[16:25] <bazhang> or maybe not :(
[16:58] <LjL> !info conky
[16:58] <ubot4`> LjL: conky (source: conky): highly configurable system monitor for X based on torsmo. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.6.1-0ubuntu4 (jaunty), package size 191 kB, installed size 560 kB
[18:21] <Seeker`> @mark #ubuntu master being abusive
[18:21] <Seeker`> @login
[18:21] <Seeker`> @mark #ubuntu master being abusive
[19:28] <ikonia> can someone copy the ban from #ubuntu/#kubuntu and put it on #ubuntu-offtopic for bolt_ please he's doing that "I speak dog" and "I'm a robot" rubbish again - I've made it %101 clear that is not acceptable 
[19:29] <Pici> ikonia: I don't see him in there.
[19:30] <ikonia> he's not any more
[19:30] <Pricey> 3~floodbot not removing bans again? :/
[19:30] <ikonia> I see no reason to allow this to continue in a loop - end it until he learns 
[19:30] <ikonia> while there are other channels to do this in, his behaviour loop continues
[19:31] <Pricey> I think we really need to remove some of these bans still.
[19:32] <ikonia> Pricey: which ones ?
[19:32] <ikonia> I did some of floodbots yesterday
[19:32] <Pricey> the exempts look old
[19:32] <Pricey> but there's a huge amount of bans in there too
[19:33] <ikonia> I can go through the floodbots bans if you want and clean up
[19:33] <Pricey> I'm sure we wouldn't miss many of the +d either
[19:33] <Pricey> s/either/too/
[19:34] <LjL> the floodbots never removed actual *bans* they did
[19:35] <Pricey> bah, i meant floodbot exempts sorry
[19:35] <Pricey> and the other bans in general, whether or not they were from the floodbots, didn't look at them too hard
[19:36] <ikonia> I'll do some house keeping, 
[19:41] <Pici> LjL: I removed the bans that they set about a week ago, there were quite a lot in there
[20:43] <LjL> Pici: there are quite a few that were set in march too
[21:00] <rdove> can you test me for the DCC bug
[21:01] <LjL> yeah
[21:01] <LjL> vulnerable
[21:02] <LjL> rdove: you are vulnerable
[21:02] <rdove> damn
[21:02] <rdove> lol
[21:02] <rdove> i failed the test?
[21:02] <LjL> rdove: i've marked you as such in #ubuntu-read-topic, so you will be able to ask the bots for other tests
[21:02] <rdove> ok
[21:03] <rdove> brb
[21:08]  * LjL shakes head at IRC wiki page
[21:08] <LjL> people just can't leave it alone
[21:08] <Seeker`> what have they done now?
[21:08] <LjL> Seeker`: nothing too terrible, just +  * '''[[http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/?action=browse;oldid=EmacsIrcClient;id=ERC|ERC]]''' - an IRC client for the [[http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/|Emacs]] editor.
[21:09] <LjL> just after i removed the Mac OS client. of course, this is a Unix client for sure, no doubt *roll eyes*