[00:18] and done. [00:39] pwnguin: success? === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [01:17] congrats on a release well done guys. [01:17] jaunty was awesome. [01:19] has the repo thawed yet? [01:19] karmatic koala? [01:19] Superdweeb: jaunty still is awesome [01:19] pace_t_zulu, they still didn't fix my bug. [01:20] Superdweeb, yeah for kk [01:20] FFForever, how about waiting until, say, alpha release? [01:20] Superdweeb, never :) [01:21] i like breaking my system on a daily basis :) [01:21] Superdweeb: what bug? [01:21] Superdweeb: it's Karmic Koala [01:22] pace_t_zulu, the one where gnome-panel handles do not accept transparency values. [01:23] Superdweeb: going to be afk for a while... sorry [01:24] Superdweeb: don't hold your breath on gnome-panel bugs... [01:24] pace_t_zulu, you didn't say anything important anyway. [01:24] I've been pushing the bug for months now, it's not going anywhere. [01:24] I could probably build a house on it. [01:34] grr... my computer won't even TRY to suspend. [01:34] dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.freedesktop.Hal /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.SystemPowerManagement.Suspend int32:0 [01:34] method return sender=:1.227 -> dest=:1.433 reply_serial=2 [01:34] int32 1 [01:35] Dana, suspend to memory or suspend to disk? [01:35] Suspend to RAM. [01:35] Memory it is. [01:35] It's not even TRYING, though. [01:35] ACPI 3 or ACPI 5? [01:35] The bios can interfere with suspend. [01:35] It doesn't matter... it doesn't even get to there. [01:35] It just locks workstation, and that's it. [01:36] ** (gnome-power-manager:9077): WARNING **: Suspend failed without error message [01:40] gnome power manager is sucky sucky. [01:40] org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.SystemPowerManagement.Suspend << has everything to do with mono. [01:47] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/319818 [01:47] Launchpad bug 319818 in pm-utils "dbus-send...suspend doesn't work while X is running (breaks suspend/hibernate from menu)" [Undecided,Invalid] [01:47] Same issue. [01:48] Commenting out the inhibit check made it suspend. [01:48] It didn't resume properly, though.... vbetool segfaulted. [01:48] I had to SAK xorg. [01:49] www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Screenshot-1.png [01:49] I want to anally rape the person that removed my cntrl-alt-backspace. [01:49] Sorry if my words offend, I'm really just a wee bit infuriated. [01:49] Why the heck didn't they just make it so you have to do it twice? [01:49] Good Point! [01:49] great, now my damned nvidia is *blinking* again! [01:52] Oh, and I'm getting that black-window bug again. [01:52] DanaG, was Vista not good enough for you? [01:52] Vista really doesn't have anything to do with this. [01:52] just asking... [01:52] since you have it [01:53] I prefer the font rendering and desktop effects and such, in Linux. [01:53] And window management. [01:53] What window management? [01:53] alt-drag, for one. [01:53] alt-middledrag, for another. [01:53] so the GUI is the biggest difference for you between Vista and Linux? [01:53] Linux window management is just as bad as Windows window management. It's just slightly less organized. [01:54] I can also tweak Linux to get better power usage than Vista. [01:54] absolutely. [01:54] And PulseAudio is a kickass feature. [01:54] My jaunty boots in 12 seconds. [01:54] Full boot to desktop with firefox running. [01:54] Mine is 36 or so. :( [01:54] DanaG what do you think of Charter Cable's internet service? [01:54] of course, I use ramdisks, flash memory, and minimized libraries/plugins. [01:54] DanaG: is Charter's internet service adequate for you? [01:55] hold on... have to reboot to regain my sanity, by getting rid of this damn blinking. [01:55] pace_t_zulu, are you trolling? [01:55] Superdweeb: trolling? [01:55] !trolling [01:55] trolling / trollish behaviour is behaviour that is considered annoying by other channel users, this includes going offtopic, asking the same question time and again getting answered and not acknowledging the answer, and these are not the only ways behaviour can be considered trolling, please see /msg ubotu guidelines - if this applies to you, you may find yourself outside the channel [01:55] I warn you, this channel does not support trolling (-troll) or solicitation (-spam). [01:56] As the official yahoo trolling competition league scorekeeper, I can spot trolling miles off. [01:56] Superdweeb: you sound like a very accomplished individual [01:56] Thank you *beams*. [01:59] Superdweeb: are you on launchpad? [01:59] yep. [02:01] are you going to kick me off this channel [02:01] I'm not the admin. [02:01] And if I were, it would be because of repeat offenses. [02:01] Trolling by itself is perfectly acceptable. [02:02] repeat offenses? [02:02] Vainly pushing DanaG's buttons(vista, charter, etc) is more than simple trolling, it is annoying. [02:03] i am sorry but this conversation needs to stop [02:03] And now if you excuse me, I have some XBL noobs to pwn. === Superdweeb is now known as Superdweeb|xbl [02:03] ok Josh... have fun [02:03] sure d00d. [02:03] Thank god for pidgin. [02:04] pace_t_zulu: well, its on my desk, but i'm done for the day. i'll figure it out when im back on tuesday. [02:04] All my personal information would be personal, otherwise. [02:04] pwnguin: good luck with it [02:04] it should work fine [02:05] Superdweeb|xbl: please keep the comments on topic... ubuntu+1 [02:05] Nice try. [02:05] by the way, I heard you like mudkips. [02:06] !ot [02:06] #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics. Thanks! [02:06] bazhang: thank you [02:08] He didn't say anything about ubuntu+1. [02:08] it doesnt matter [02:08] pwnguin, What doesn't matter is the fact I'm here. [02:08] Superdweeb|xbl, please keep it on topic [02:08] Just ignore me. [02:08] That would be the best solution for everyone. [02:09] staying on topic would be [02:09] oops [02:09] so how does +1 work? the archives are opened after a full rebuild? [02:10] pwnguin: from what i understand they start by updating the toolchain [02:10] pwnguin: subsequently the begin building packages and identifying problems introduced by the updated toolchain [02:10] well, more importantly, is there an annoucement made once the autobuilders are done? [02:11] pwnguin: karmic repos already exist [02:11] pwnguin: i upgraded a jaunty install to karmic... there isn't much difference yet as the new features are still undefined [02:11] well, i worry about consistancy [02:12] pwnguin: what do you mean? [02:12] i guess the versioned dependencies can handle it [02:12] ie, "hay, new libc! nom nom nom. .... oh noes!" [02:14] pwnguin: that's what the testing process is all about [02:14] well, i mean suppose libc updates as do tons of packages [02:15] im a bit fuzzy on the details; is it possible to grab a new libc and not a few dozen packages that are in a queue to rebuild for compatibilty? [02:16] pwnguin: i am not an expert... perhaps someone else can help you with your concerns [02:16] its a massive pita to recover from a libc breakage [02:16] pwnguin: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule that may help [02:16] and maybe a waste of time [02:16] !pita [02:16] Sorry, I don't know anything about pita [02:16] you have to boot and copy, and then chroot. [02:16] pain in the rear [02:17] DanaG: i have a shared /home and a stable partition [02:17] it works well for testing and recovery [02:17] but it's not exactly productive [02:18] pwnguin: Virtual Machine is a nice way for testing and recovery... you can take a snapshot of a stable system before you test [02:18] vms are no fun! [02:18] and you might as well test ubuntu "as she is used" [02:19] pwnguin: vms can be very useful [02:19] sure [02:19] pwnguin: we are getting off topic here [02:19] we've got a couple dozen at work [02:19] !ot [02:19] #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics. Thanks! [02:19] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/202089?comments=all [02:20] Launchpad bug 202089 in pulseaudio "Pulseaudio is blocking normal sound after resume" [Low,Fix committed] [02:20] DanaG: this is not the place for a jaunty bug discussion [02:20] Still broken in Karmic; I hope that fix will be applied there, too. [02:21] * DanaG tries sleep again. [02:21] DanaG: an bug fixed in jaunty is likely to be fixed in karmic [02:21] negative [02:21] the fix was uploaded after karmic opened, no? [02:22] i can see now why its required to be uploaded to devel first [02:23] and yet it only hit jaunty-proposed [02:23] i feel sorry for crimsun [02:24] all pulse audio streams lead to him [02:24] I edited the file... and it's still blocking suspend/ [02:27] ah... had to add the -H. [02:29] maybe it's been uploaded to karmic and hasn't built yet [02:30] anyway, I did it manually myself. [02:30] DanaG: if you get upset about unfixed bugs #ubuntu+1 and Karmic might not be right for you [02:31] Nah, that's not me really upset. =þ [02:31] DanaG: #ubuntu-bugs is a good place to discuss bugs [02:31] pace_t_zulu: so uh [02:31] hmm, I'd never noticed that channel. [02:31] DanaG: really? [02:31] I've just hung around in the +1 channels while on the +1 distros. [02:32] DanaG: #ubuntu-bugs is the best place to talk about bugs... people there can be very helpful... i am in there and i enjoy helping others with bugs [02:32] pace_t_zulu: so how long have you been testing devel branches? [02:32] pwnguin: you mean +1's? [02:32] yea [02:32] pwnguin: since Edgy I think [02:32] and you've never seen DanaG around here before? [02:33] pwnguin: i only started with Ubuntu around dapper [02:33] pwnguin: i haven't done a lot of hanging around IRC... [02:33] ah [02:33] pwnguin: what little IRC i have done has not been in #ubuntu+1 [02:34] this box has been dist-upgraded continually since 4.10 ;) [02:35] pwnguin: nice [02:35] I sure hope those concepts for Gnome 2.30 are just ... concepts ... and not actual plans: [02:35] DanaG: can you provide a link to the concepts? [02:36] DanaG: Gnome 2.30 is still a while off [02:36] trying to find it right now. I'm not entirely sure it was tied to a version, actually. [02:36] http://live.gnome.org/Boston2008/GUIHackfest/WindowManagementAndMore [02:36] Yeah, I think that was just ... "hackfest" -- whatever that is. [02:37] DanaG: yeah i saw those... i wasn't too excited by them either [02:37] I like being able to customize things. [02:37] but i digress [02:37] !ot [02:37] #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics. Thanks! [02:37] I'll be glad if we can get Radeon KMS in Karmic. [02:38] Yea, not a fan of what I saw there either... [02:40] i'd just be happy with a gnome-panel that attempted to handle it's own layout [02:40] ie, an applet stack on the left, an applet stack on the right, and an applet to consume the space that's left [02:41] I'd be happy with a desktop which you'd actually be able to keep ordered, as well as a gnome-panel which didn't decide to rearrange things randomly every now and then.... [02:42] that's what the stack would handle [02:43] icons could grow and shrink but maintain their relative layout [02:43] its a real problem when you rotate [02:43] I'm glad the Gnome devs don't make door locks... or you'd lock your door and go to work... and when you came back, the door would be on the other side of the house.... still locked. [02:44] Well, I've really nothing against the current style of the panel, but it's just that the darn thing randomly messes up, for no reason... DanaG: yea... [02:44] ive never seen it mess up for not reason [02:44] but ive seen it mess up for bad ones [02:45] Changing resolution is usually the reason. [02:45] "oh, well you rotated, then rotated back, so now you're missing half the applets and they're all in the wrong order" [02:45] Or if you accidentally drag it to the side of the screen...then you just plain can't get it back -- no free space to right-click in. [02:52] Well, for me it normally goes bollons over just adding and/or moving an icon and the restarting, suddenly all of them have piled up to the right... === jscinoz_ is now known as jscinoz [11:17] guys! I'm karmic! WOOT [12:01] why doesnt "update-manager -d" show karmic yet? i know karmic is live.. [12:02] mnemo: cause UM doesn't know about it yet [12:02] just sed your sources and distupgrade [12:02] that's what I'm doing [12:03] 18 min left of download [12:04] bug: just "sed s/jaunty/karmic/" or do I need to change anything else? [12:06] should be enough! be aware of PPAs or other 3rd party repos that may not have karmic branchs [12:06] and that you can comment all other pockets other then main. there is no security, backports, [12:06] proposed [12:08] no need to it the server so much mnemo [12:08] plus not everything is on the archive [12:08] nah this is a desktop machine [12:10] so ? [12:10] ehm, what did you mean by "no need to it the server so much mnemo" ? [12:11] s/it/hit/ [12:11] lolol [12:12] so many queries for the ubuntu server for updates [12:12] on pockets that have nothing until the release is out [12:12] ahh about commenting out the proposed, yea ok ofc [12:13] * BUGabundo thinks the all proposed pocket idea is bad.... users should know what they are testing [12:15] i think they use for early warning to see if two working updates cause a problem together etc [12:15] mnemo: naa [12:16] its a pocket where packages are put to get some user testing (and feedback) before going to -updates [12:16] but it is a failed idea [12:16] some crazy users have it enabled without understanding how it works and get packages for testing not knowhing exaclty what LP bug its testing [12:17] aah, yea if people use it without understand it, thats bad ofc [12:17] but its nice to have some experienced people with proposed always in use because then they have some time to block that update from entering updates pocket [12:18] mnemo: but do *you* have any idea what _that_ package you got from a proposed update is meant to fix? [12:18] I don't! most apt-changes mention nothing about it... so no idea on how to track it, or even in to what LP bug to comment! [12:18] :( [12:19] nah but if you get some issue and you grep in dpkg.log you see that package was updated through proposed then you'd start to poke around in the changelog [12:19] sometimes you dont need the changelog evem you can just "dpkg -i /var/apt/cache/blah-old.deb" and thats enough to block the update [12:21] mnemo: how many users with -proposed enabled know how to do that? [12:22] its not for them anyway, its for people testing and developing ubuntu [12:28] BUGabundo: ok here goes... upgrading now :) [12:28] gcc 4.4.. whee [12:50] Hello, I'm on Jaunty but just upgraded my kernel to 2.6.30 from Launchpad [12:50] I wonder if there's a repository where I can keep such kernel up to date [12:51] you installed the vanilla mainline 2.5.30-rc4 ? [12:51] 2.6.30-rc4 I mean [12:51] mnemo; I'm installed the one here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.30-1.2 [12:51] *ones [12:52] linux-image-2.6.30-1-server [12:52] and headers [12:53] *I've [12:53] mixing packages from different releases is not really supported [12:53] mnemo: I know [12:53] mnemo: Nor using development releases [12:53] yeah but mixing it even worse ;o [12:54] It's working great for me [12:54] Intel graphics issues are gone [12:54] RichardWolfVI: what card? [12:54] RichardWolfVI: run "lspci -nn | grep VGA" ? [12:54] if you have problems getting DRI on G41 that fix is coming to jaunty for example [12:55] I have a G35 [12:55] what was the problem you had with that card on jaunty? slow EXA ? [12:55] Intel Corporation 82G35 Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2982] (rev 03) [12:56] mnemo: REALLY SLOW EXA and crashing X on video playback and Skype. Plus, UXA is not working for me, I've already reported the bug. [12:57] RichardWolfVI: what were the bug numbers? [12:59] mnemo: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21370 [12:59] Freedesktop bug 21370 in Driver/intel "[G35] [UXA] VGA not detected" [Normal,New] [13:02] RichardWolfVI: can you please open a launchpad bug for the UXA issue as well? we're really interesting in making UXA rock solid for 9.10 so this would be very useful for us [13:03] RichardWolfVI: if you do please open the bug using "ubuntu-bug xorg" command do we get full logs etc attached to the bug... [13:06] mnemo: OK, but I should do that when using the regular kernel, right? [13:07] yeah that would be better [13:07] maybe you still have the normal kernel installed so you can just select it from GRUB ? [13:17] mnemo: Of course I do [13:18] RichardWolfVI: great.. send me the LP bug once filed pls.. === sukke_ is now known as sukke [13:22] mnemo: Wouldn't I just repost what I've already said on freedoesktop [13:22] RichardWolfVI: the ubuntu-bug script attaches a lot more details [13:23] hmm, OK [13:23] when should I run it? [13:23] from console when X failed to start [13:24] OK [13:24] what's the address for submitting [13:25] RichardWolfVI: you just need to run "ubuntu-bug xorg" and it will open a new bug automatically [13:25] oh, great [13:25] does it prompt me anything? [13:26] yea you might need to install some launchpadlib for python or so [13:26] but it would be fairly autoamtic [13:26] OK, will do that soon [13:26] there is also another variant of this called "apport-collect BUG_NUMBER" [13:26] and is for attaching logs to an existing bug report [13:27] OK [14:02] got my 1st karmic bug. /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades is wrong === |Alexia_Death| is now known as Alexia_Death_ === vishalrao_away is now known as vishalrao [15:46] so, what's new? [15:46] kklimonda-: hey!!!!! [15:46] just upgraded... need to reboo [15:46] but too lazy to leave you guys [15:46] you went to karmic already? [15:47] on 2.6.30 I failed on wireless [15:47] i would like to test the karmic kernel continiosly in jaunty [15:47] @B: I'm stuck at country without internet:( [15:47] rski, you can, all you need is to set the repos. Be aware, though, that at this point in time it may (huh, probably will) break things [15:48] oh no i dont want to use _all_ of karmic [15:48] just kernel [15:48] like if there's a PPA or something. [15:49] this may get things confused -- AFAIK the karmic kernel is compiled with GCC4.4, so you may have problems with other things [15:49] yes, there is a ppa with *vanilla* kernels [15:49] THERE IS ppa with mainline kernels for jaunty [15:50] $ lsb_release [15:50] No LSB modules are available. [15:50] LOL [15:50] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ [15:50] heh. What did you expect? ;-) [15:50] rski: u can! [15:50] !mainline [15:50] Sorry, I don't know anything about mainline [15:51] oh well, on use in chatting via old phone. see you tomorrow [15:51] (see link above, BUGabundo ) [15:51] good one, kklimonda- [15:51] hggdh: still reading backlog [15:51] bye kklimonda- [15:54] any one interessed http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/19607/ ? [15:55] brb rebboting to Karmic Koala 9.10 pre-alpha [16:03] back and alive! seems distupgrade went well [16:06] just noting that I still have 9.04 kernel! isn't there on for karmic? not even the one in -propose ? [16:08] 2.6.30 was being compiled [16:08] waiting for it! [16:08] afaik .30 has writeback on by default [16:09] should be a bit of a speedboost right there [16:10] BUGabundo, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux [16:10] rski: already on XFS [16:10] won't notice all that much , I think [16:12] BUGabundo, weird. The page shows the kernel was correctly built for karmic [16:13] so does my lsb_release [16:13] let me dist-upgrade one more time [16:13] maybe something got behind the partial install of UM [16:13] * BUGabundo opens synatic [16:13] what, they broke ext3 to the same level of ext4 (data=writeback) just so that ext4 does not look so bad? [16:14] heh [16:14] ahh a few packages still not upgraded [16:14] mostly libs [16:14] no kernel there [16:15] ... there be dragons, BUGabundo [16:15] DUH [16:15] generic still hasn't updated [16:15] stupid kernel metapackage [16:15] weird that linus allowed that ext3 change, seems he quite liked that data integrity when there was discussion about ext4's behaviour in case of crash === LSD|Ninj1 is now known as LSD|Ninja [16:28] BUGabundo: upgraded kernel should be in just before a1 at least that is normally how it is [16:29] already have it gnomefreak [16:29] BUGabundo: you do? [16:29] BUGabundo: what version do you have? [16:29] had to manually choose it, since metapackage generic still depends on .28.11 [16:29] 30.2 [16:29] at least I'll have it once I reboot [16:30] manually upgrading stuff that breaks other packages depency now! [16:30] lots of python and gcc probs [16:30] will take a while until it works [16:30] BUGabundo: where did you get it? you didnt have 2.6.28-11-generic [16:30] so every package that fails to build with the next few days can count with a bug from me [16:30] $ pastebinit /boot/grub/menu.lst [16:30] http://paste.ubuntu.com/163611/ [16:30] gnomefreak: see my stanzas [16:31] 5 packages so far, can't be upgraded [16:32] yeah i know compiz libs are most of them [16:32] sorry there is only one compiz [16:32] yep [16:32] apt-xapian-index libcompizconfig0 libgnome2.24-cil libts-0.0-0 python-feedparser [16:33] and python feed parse (I'm talking to you gwibber), filezilaa [16:33] and apt-xapian (mvo own pet ) [16:33] gnomefreak: humm you are faster then me... lol [16:33] where are you getting the list? [16:33] :) im lagging due to updates [16:34] BUGabundo: whne you do upgrade it shows you what ones are held back [16:35] i printed a blank page. it shouldnt be blank :( [16:35] gnomefreak: so you have a test machine on KK too? [16:35] * BUGabundo not that BUGabundo has one test machine... its just bare metal on main laptop [16:36] BUGabundo: oh yes always on this install. its named Development for a reason :) [16:36] anothing blank page be back i have to fix this [16:39] it seems printing from OO.o is broke [17:00] oh, not again :-( [17:00] yep again hggdh [17:00] well, if PDF exporting still works, then I can survive === maco_ is now known as macogw [19:23] BUGabundo: kernel updated yet=? [19:25] rski: I installed it manually. need to reboot to put it into action and get newer bootcharts [20:35] http://3x3cut10n3r.mybrute.com/ <-- have fun & good luck [20:35] exeoeoe: go away [20:43] does anyone know why changes that appear on the karmic-changes mailing list aren't reflected on packages.ubuntu.com? [20:44] do the karmic repos need some time before they get the new packages? [20:46] skapism: yes! [20:46] changes list what gets uploaded [20:46] some times they fail to build to some archs [20:46] and sometimes LP buildds are slow [20:47] or your mirror is still out of sync [20:47] I haven't used any karmic repos yet, I'm just inspecting packages on packages.ubuntu.com [20:47] ah no idea then [20:47] guess its updated via a cron [20:47] something like 24h [20:49] hm, makes sense === Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk === yml_ is now known as yml [23:55] grr... damned nvidia... giving me black windows. [23:59] DanaG: You're always here complaining about nvidia :)