[01:30] <LaserJock> anybody have a fresh Jaunty VM laying around?
[01:32] <LaserJock> I need somebody to install gcompris (a bit of a download) and see if it segfaults
[01:51] <hggdh> server or desktop?
[01:51] <LaserJock> desktop
[01:51] <hggdh> sorry... only desktop I have is the real mccoy
[01:52] <LaserJock> well, that'd work to if you wouldn't mind
[01:52] <hggdh> k
[01:52] <LaserJock> it just seems like I'm the only one not experiencing this bug
[01:52] <hggdh> from the standard repos?
[01:53] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:54] <LaserJock> just install gcompris
[01:54] <hggdh> just gcompris, -data *-sound?
[01:54] <LaserJock> and then run gcompris from a terminal
[01:54] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:54] <LaserJock> and all I need is if it segfaults or not at startup
[01:54] <hggdh> just 45M download, should take a few seconds
[01:54]  * andol also does an apt-get install gcompris...
[01:54] <andol> If the computer crashes, I'll take it as a sign of it being bed time :)
[01:55] <hggdh> heh
[01:55] <hggdh> k, will run now
[01:56] <hggdh> no sigseg
[01:56] <andol> LaserJock: For me gcompris starts without any problems. Anything you want me to test inside the application?
[01:56] <LaserJock> hggdh: oh, I need to know if you have python-numeric installed
[01:56] <LaserJock> andol: same for you ^^
[01:57] <hggdh> LaserJock, it is installed
[01:57] <LaserJock> hggdh: hmmpf
[01:57] <hggdh> heh
[01:57] <LaserJock> the segfault is supposed to happen when python-numeric is *not* installed
[01:57] <hggdh> ah, OK. Let me see if I can take it out
[01:58] <andol> LaserJock: no python-numeric for me.
[01:58]  * andol is running i386, if that matters.
[01:58] <hggdh> er, my default is python3
[02:00] <hggdh> coredump, Laserjock. Running on amd64
[02:00] <LaserJock> ohhhhh
[02:00] <LaserJock> how interesting
[02:00] <LaserJock> and all you did was remove python-numeric?
[02:00] <hggdh> Exception ImportError: 'No module named Numeric' in 'garbage collection' ignored
[02:00] <hggdh> Fatal Python error: unexpected exception during garbage collection
[02:00] <hggdh> Aborted (core dumped)
[02:00] <hggdh> yes
[02:00] <LaserJock> ok, yeah, that's the right error
[02:00] <LaserJock> ok, well I'm i386 too
[02:01] <hggdh> so garbage-collection needs -numeric
[02:01] <LaserJock> I have no idea why this would be arch-dependent
[02:01] <hggdh> on amd64??
[02:01] <hggdh> that is really weird
[02:02] <hggdh> so... let me reinstall -numeric and try again, just to be sure
[02:02] <LaserJock> k
[02:03] <porthose> LaserJock: I'm on i386 and I get  the same error as hggdh no numeric module
[02:03] <LaserJock> oh great
[02:03] <LaserJock> thanks for blowing my theory out of the water :-0
[02:03] <hggdh> yay, with -numeric no error
[02:04] <hggdh> LaserJock, definitely needs -numeric here
[02:04] <LaserJock> ok, so hggdh and porthose get core dump, andol and I don't
[02:05] <hggdh> my default python is 2.6.2
[02:05] <LaserJock> same here
[02:05] <hggdh> now this is even more misterious
[02:05] <LaserJock> what's strange is
[02:06] <LaserJock> I can go to the gcompris module that's bailing
[02:06] <LaserJock> and if I try to load the module it'll bail
[02:06] <LaserJock> but that doesn't seem to affect gcompris starting
[02:07] <hggdh> out of curiosity, let me remove python3
[02:10] <hggdh> nah, coredumped also. So it has nothing to do with having python3 installed
[02:11] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if its python or not
[02:11] <LaserJock> or perhaps it's higher in gcompris
[02:11] <LaserJock> the problem is that we both can't load the same module
[02:12] <LaserJock> it's just that for me that doesn't stop gcompris from starting
[02:12] <LaserJock> but for you it causes a core dump
[02:12] <hggdh> some sort of python setting? Global?
[02:13] <porthose> LaserJock: http://pastebin.com/d74012473
[02:14] <james_w> where does it load Numeric in that module?
[02:14] <james_w> is it conditional?
[02:16] <LaserJock> it's not conditional
[02:17] <LaserJock> it's in /usr/share/gcompris/python/DTW/dtw.py
[02:17] <LaserJock> just does a straight, from Numeric import *
[02:19] <james_w> can you pastebin the file please?
[02:23] <LaserJock> james_w: http://pastebin.com/d26486bf3
[02:24] <james_w> nothing obvious there
[02:24] <james_w> why's it trying to load this module at garbage collection time?
[02:25] <james_w> doesn't look to be anything in there you would want to use
[02:26] <james_w> it may be that garbage collection and loading this module just collide due to something weird this package does, but I wouldn't expect it to always be the same place that it dies
[02:28] <LaserJock> james_w: yeah, I've got about 6 people who get the same exact error
[02:37] <LaserJock> well poo
[02:37] <LaserJock> I don't know why this is happening
[02:38] <LaserJock> and unfortunately it's happening to upstream and he's not so happy that it's happening in a stable release
[03:50] <micahg> Does Hardy have apport as a service in it?
[03:59] <LaserJock> micahg: yes, but you might have to enable it
[03:59] <micahg> ok
[03:59] <micahg> so I can tell someone /etc/init.d/apport start?
[04:00] <LaserJock> micahg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport#How%20to%20enable%20apport
[04:02] <micahg> LaserJock: thanks, that's what I needed
[04:33] <jklowden> Is this a good place to ask where and how I should report what I think is a WUBI bug?
[04:34] <pace_t_zulu> jklowden: you found the right place
[04:35] <hggdh> jklowden, see the title of the channel ;-)
[04:35] <pace_t_zulu> are you familiar w/ http://www.launchpad.net ?
[04:36] <pace_t_zulu> jklowden: are you familiar w/ http://www.launchpad.net
[04:39] <pace_t_zulu> hggdh: we have another shoot and run
[04:39] <jklowden> I haven't been to launchpad.net.  I found a couple of related messages on ubuntuforums.org, and a message <somewhere> saying it's "better" to report bugs directly, or something.
[04:40] <jklowden> The deal is that wubi-9.04-rev128.log contained misleading messages about permission being denied.  In fact the problem was a read(2) error; the CD was borked.
[04:45] <hggdh> heh
[04:46] <pace_t_zulu> jklowden: http://www.launchpad.net is where bugs are reported, triaged, and fixed
[04:46] <pace_t_zulu> !launchpad
[04:46] <ubot4`> Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[04:47] <hggdh> jklowden, indeed, if there is no bug opened on a problem, this problem will have a good chance of keeping on bothering others
[04:49] <jklowden> OK, no problem, thanks.  I just checked.  "wubi permission denied" turned up nothing.  I started to register.  Would you happen to know what address I should add to my greylist filter?  I don't see any mail from "launchpad".
[04:51] <jklowden> bounces@canonical.com, perhaps?
[04:52] <hggdh> jklowden, give me a min
[04:53] <hggdh> hum. It will be a bit more difficult... each email that comes from your bug will carry the email address of the commenter
[04:54] <hggdh> but -- the reply-to field will have an email address ending on '@bugs.launchpad.net'
[04:55] <jklowden> (That's OK.  The greylister just requires the sending SMTP engine to behave itself.  It will slow things down a bit, that's all.)
[05:48] <micahg> Can someone set bug 355476 to wishlist?
[05:48] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 355476 in firefox "32-bit firefox should be included in AMD64 (x86-64) distribution" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/355476
[05:53] <hggdh> micahg, ugh
[05:54] <micahg> ugh?
[05:54] <micahg> I don't like it either
[05:54] <hggdh> yeah
[05:54] <micahg> but, rather I figure everyone's entitled to make their requests, right?
[05:55] <hggdh> I agree
[05:56] <hggdh> done
[05:56] <micahg> thanks
[05:56] <micahg> I already commented that the discussion should happen on brainstorm.ubuntu
[05:56] <micahg> oh, here's what I was going to ask
[05:56] <hggdh> but it is a horrible idea... even though nsplugin suck
[05:57] <micahg> why aren't swfdec, gnash, and flashplayer marked as conflicts with each other?
[05:57] <hggdh> yes, I saw the brainstorm suggestion. Good move
[05:57] <micahg> I just followed the triage response list :)
[05:57]  * hggdh knows
[05:58] <micahg> take a look at bug 360681
[05:58] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 360681 in firefox "after firefox upgrade flash does not work untill   flashplugin-nonfree . [ubuntu 8.10] firefox flash hangs swfdec_video_decoder_errorv no suitable decoder for video codec 7 " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/360681
[05:59] <hggdh> do you run intrepid?
[05:59] <micahg> not anymroe
[05:59] <hggdh> same here
[06:00] <micahg> what were you going to have mem check?
[06:00] <micahg> *me
[06:02] <micahg> I'm gonna mark the bug as user fixed, but, it begs the question
[06:02] <hggdh> no, it does not seem to be a fix
[06:02] <hggdh> it is a bypass
[06:03] <micahg> what was the original problem though?
[06:03] <hggdh> after upgrade of ff, no more flash
[06:03] <micahg> why would flash need to be reinstalled after a ff update?
[06:04] <micahg> or is that the question?
[06:04] <hggdh> that's the reporter's experience
[06:04] <micahg> ok
[06:05] <micahg> tthis is what i've been posting if the user solves the problem with an update: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Bugs%20resolved%20after%20update%20or%20config%20change
[06:06] <micahg> is that not correct in this case?
[06:06] <hggdh> hold on
[06:07] <hggdh> this would be the wrong response, I am afraid
[06:07] <micahg> ok
[06:07] <micahg> can you explain please, I'd love to know why
[06:07] <hggdh> the bug was not resolved after an upgrade, the bug *appeared* after an updgrade
[06:08] <hggdh> it the upgrade that caused the user problem
[06:08] <hggdh> and s/he had to reinstall nsplugin-nonfree
[06:08] <micahg> yes, but we don't know if it was a problem with flash or a conflict with swfdec and flash
[06:08] <hggdh> indeed, we do not know
[06:09] <hggdh> this is a reason to keep it open
[06:09] <hggdh> so if we could reproduce, it would help
[06:09] <micahg> ah, ok
[06:09] <micahg> which brings me back to my original question
[06:09] <hggdh> (although methinks if this was to be a critical issue, we would have some dups)
[06:09] <micahg> is there a reason why flash, gnash, and swfdec aren't marked as conflicts?
[06:10] <micahg> also, I've been moving stuff from firefox to firefox-3.0 as the source since ff3 is not categorized in launchpad under firefox, is this correct?
[06:11] <hggdh> I do not know. asac is the master on ff
[06:11] <micahg> for which question?
[06:11] <micahg> should I ask?
[06:11] <micahg> or both?
[06:11] <hggdh> if it was an apport-generated bug, it should carry the correct pacakge
[06:11] <micahg> they usually aren't
[06:12] <micahg> the ones I've been dealing with anyways
[06:12] <micahg> I've been trying to go through untouched ff and ff3 bugs
[06:12] <micahg> There are over 700 in both sources
[06:13] <hggdh> on my system /usr/bin/firefox is a soft link to firefox-3.0, which is a soft link to /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.10/firefox.sh
[06:14] <micahg> if you look at the versions for this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox
[06:14] <micahg> and then this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0
[06:15] <hggdh> micahg, notice that most of the new bugs are under ff-3.0
[06:15] <micahg> yep :)
[06:16] <micahg> that's why I would think to move the ff3 busg out of the firefox soure
[06:16] <micahg> source
[06:16] <hggdh> but older Ubuntus will still have the ffox 2.x
[06:16] <micahg> yep
[06:16] <hggdh> ah
[06:16] <hggdh> OK, I think now I get it: you are moving ff-3.0 bugs off ffox
[06:16] <micahg> yep
[06:17] <hggdh> good
[06:17] <micahg> but only if I have something else to comment, like an upgrade request or more info or something
[06:17] <micahg> I'm trying not to make noise for those people that are already flooded
[06:18] <hggdh> :-)
[06:18] <micahg> :)
[06:18] <micahg> should I ping asac for my flash questions?
[06:19] <hggdh> well, he is the master of ffox
[06:19] <micahg> should I ping him in here or in private?
[06:29] <hggdh> micahg, you already pinged him (the moment you typed his nick)
[06:30] <micahg> ah
[06:30] <micahg> cool
[06:33] <hggdh> this is why, when you are talking about someone (but do not want to, er, call), you mistype the nick, or use the name
[06:34] <micahg> i thought it only pinged the person if you prefixed the line with the name and a colon
[06:34] <hggdh> no, it is anywhere in the line, micahg
[06:35] <micahg> ok
[06:35] <micahg> can you type tha
[06:35] <micahg> oops
[06:36] <hggdh> ?
[06:36] <micahg> I was going to ask if you can type again so I can check
[06:36] <hggdh> type what. micahg ?
[06:36] <hggdh> heh
[06:36] <micahg> yep
[06:36] <micahg> ok
[06:36] <micahg> good to know :)
[06:37] <hggdh> yes, it is. It is also good to keep that in mind so not to keep pinging people unnecessarily
[06:37] <micahg> ok
[06:38] <micahg> will keep in mind
[06:42] <micahg> i think I asked this before, but wasn't clear o the answer
[06:43] <hggdh> no prob
[06:43] <micahg> if someone asks a question about an outdated ubuntu version, what d you do?
[06:43] <micahg> bug 371030
[06:43] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 371030 in firefox "very slow to sign in" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371030
[06:43] <micahg> it's for feisty
[06:47] <hggdh> hum
[06:47] <hggdh> we do not have a stock response for obsolete versions...
[06:48] <micahg> Should I suggest that the user upgrade to Hardy or later?
[06:49] <hggdh> you can point the reporter to answers.launchpad.net ("cannot log in" really does not sound like not a ffox bug), and warn that this version of Ubuntu is no longer supported (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases)
[06:49] <hggdh> or the forums
[06:50] <hggdh> and suggest to upgrade, yes
[06:50] <micahg> Should I mark it invalid or incomplete?
[06:51] <hggdh> give the explanation, and transform it into a question
[06:51] <hggdh> (which will invalidate the bug automagically)
[06:52] <micahg> So, I should use the support request text with a mention of support ended for feisty
[06:52] <micahg> ?
[06:52] <hggdh> yes
[06:53] <micahg> sone
[06:53] <micahg> done
[06:53] <micahg> btw
[06:53] <micahg> ff3.0 has 666 new bugs in it :)
[06:53] <hggdh> well, yes, there were some issues with it
[06:54] <hggdh> (and you are not counting the dups)
[06:54] <micahg> I was referring to the count, not the amount
[06:55] <micahg> 666 has some negative connotations
[06:55] <hggdh> oh
[06:55] <hggdh> heh. Not being christian, I forget about this ...
[06:56] <micahg> i'm not either
[06:56] <micahg> but I thought it was interesting
[06:57] <micahg> and I just ruined it...
[06:57] <hggdh> what, you opened a new one?
[06:57] <micahg> no, converted one to a question :)
[06:57] <hggdh> oh
[06:58] <hggdh> well, we just wait a bit, and a new bug should pop in
[07:00] <hggdh> g'night micahg. Time to pack in
[07:00] <micahg> night hggdh
[07:00] <micahg> I'm going to bed soonm mysql
[07:00] <micahg> oops
[07:00] <micahg> mysqlf
[07:00] <micahg> myself
[07:19] <micahg> bug 244529 shoudl be wishlist or question?
[07:19] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 244529 in firefox-3.0 "Let Firefox open .log files inside the browser" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/244529
[07:22] <YoBoY> good morning
[07:23] <micahg> good morning
[07:25] <micahg> YoBoY: could you answer my question?
[07:28] <YoBoY> give me some time ^^
[07:30] <micahg> ok
[07:41] <YoBoY> the use of the ~/.mime.types is the way firefox work (it's in the about:config) so i think this is a question
[07:41] <YoBoY> micahg: ↑
[07:42] <micahg> ok
[07:42] <micahg> i was going to link here
[07:42] <micahg> http://kb.mozillazine.org/File_types_and_download_actions
[07:42] <micahg> after converting to a Q
[07:51] <YoBoY> ok
[07:52] <YoBoY> new bug 371127 if someone can confirm :)
[07:52] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 371127 in firefox-3.0 "Strange URL in pfs.datasource.url field on the about:config" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371127
[07:54] <micahg> confirmed
[07:57] <YoBoY> tanks
[07:57] <micahg> I'm trying to get the new ff3.0 bugs under 650 again
[07:58] <YoBoY> goog eye ^^
[07:58] <YoBoY> good
[07:58] <YoBoY> i haven't see the other link :p
[08:01] <micahg> I used the filter :D
[08:04] <YoBoY> yes i found the first with the mime keyword ^^"
[08:37] <micahg> can I get someone to mark bug 242265 as wishlist?
[08:37] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 242265 in thunderbird "This is not a bug " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/242265
[08:38] <micahg> oops
[08:38] <micahg> nevermind
[08:38] <micahg> I'll do this another night
[08:44] <arteek> Hi, could somebody help me to resolve my doubts concerning proper way to triage a bug?
[08:45] <arteek> I have a following bug report 364444 that in fact is not a bug report but rather question.
[08:46] <arteek> In the same time user filled questin on https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/68291 that is the same as above bug report
[08:46] <arteek> What should I do with the original bug report. The question as already solved.
[08:46] <arteek> s/as/is
[09:03] <YoBoY> bug 364444
[09:03] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 364444 in ubuntu-docs "problem with netgear WG311v3 wireless card" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/364444
[09:04] <YoBoY> arteek: seem the correct procedure, the question exist, so no need to convert, invalidate is a good choice
[09:06] <arteek> YoBoY: I already did it. I read once again a wiki and found answer, so I'm sorry for a question;-)
[09:06] <YoBoY> i know you already did it, i juste confirmed it's a good choice :p
[09:07] <arteek> YoBoY: Oh yes, sorry. Thanks anyway for your confirmation.
[09:08] <YoBoY> no problem, tanks to your work
[09:12] <arteek> YoBoY: one question: does it possible to assign bug to existing question. This question had answer and been solved but if the question would be still open what with such case I sould do?
[09:14] <YoBoY> don't know, never tested, wait, i give it a try on staging
[09:15] <arteek> ok
[09:17] <YoBoY> the bug and the question are already linked :]
[09:18] <YoBoY> by the way, when you are on a question, you can link it to a bug, it's an option on the right menu
[09:20] <arteek> Yes I see, but of course I still have to marking bug as invalid?
[09:20] <arteek> In this case?
[09:20] <YoBoY> yes
[09:20] <arteek> ok, I think this procedure should be add to the wiki.
[09:21] <YoBoY> yes, should appear somewhere
[09:22] <YoBoY> you can ask on the ML
[09:22] <arteek> I will, thank you for your help:-)
[12:36] <askand> regarding the Jaunty freezes, is there a mainbug on this yet?
[12:43] <askand> To clarify I mean bug 355155 for example
[12:43] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 355155 in linux "Computer hard locks randomly with ubuntu jaunty" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/355155
[13:35] <thekorn>  /! sudo apt-get install me-tv
[13:35] <thekorn> argh, sorry
[14:02] <BUGabundo> hi gnomefreak
[14:03] <gnomefreak> hi BUGabundo
[14:04] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: do you rellize that you are pretty much the only one that sent dents since yesterday it seems
[14:08] <BUGabundo> no!
[14:08] <BUGabundo> I get a lot from everyone else
[14:09] <BUGabundo> and I wasn't online most of yesterday either
[14:09] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: http://www.macno.org/denticator.php?user=bugabundo&weekchart=bar&daychart=bar
[14:09] <BUGabundo> or http://www.macno.org/denticator.php?user=gnomefreak&weekchart=bar&daychart=bar
[14:09] <BUGabundo> or even http://www.macno.org/denticator.php?user=asac&weekchart=bar&daychart=bar
[14:09] <BUGabundo> humm OT ... sorry about that
[14:09]  * BUGabundo needs to learn to see in which # talk is going on
[14:10] <gnomefreak> :) thanks for links
[14:11] <BUGabundo> np
[14:20] <micahg> I just discovered that Realplayer has not  been supported officially in Ubuntu for 3 years
[14:20] <micahg> but now there is Medibuntu
[14:20] <BUGabundo> lol micahg
[14:20] <micahg> can I go clear out all the bugs related to realplayer for current releases
[14:20] <BUGabundo>  !medibuntu
[14:20] <ubot4`> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[14:21] <micahg> yes
[14:22] <micahg> so here's what I did for one of them
[14:22] <micahg> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/69735
[14:26] <BUGabundo> micahg: looks good
[14:27] <micahg> so, should I do it to the rest of the realplayer bugs for versions > dapper?
[14:27] <BUGabundo> micahg: we don't have RealPlayer, its 3rd party and closed
[14:27] <BUGabundo> its not *our* bug
[14:27] <BUGabundo> if medibuntu works, great, if it doesn't, complain to Real!
[14:28] <micahg> right, but there are plenty of issues in the bug tracker for Ubuntu
[14:28] <micahg> I figured I could clear them out
[14:28] <micahg> and that's exactly the point, it's not an ubuntu bug and shouldn't be in the bug tracker
[14:29] <micahg> I'm just trying to get a semi official ok to go convert about 15-20 bugs to questions
[14:31] <Hobbsee> micahg: don't think most people will be able to give you one, but go ahead - sounds reasonable
[14:31] <BUGabundo> micahg: you can upstream all medibuntu bugs and mark the ones for ubuntu as invalid
[14:32] <BUGabundo> MB is hosted on LP so its easy
[14:32] <hggdh> micahg, https://launchpad.net/medibuntu/
[14:34] <hggdh> micahg, the package should be medibuntu
[14:35] <BUGabundo> hggdh: as I said, for all bugs just invalidate the ubuntu task and upstream it
[14:36] <micahg> BUGabundo: the problem, is that they probably aren't bugs at all, but just using bad deb packages
[14:36] <micahg> so, I don't want to clutter the Medibuntu bug tracker unnecessarily as I would hope that others wouldn't clutter ours, right?
[14:37] <BUGabundo> humm if they are medibuntu packages, then they are bugs...
[14:37] <micahg> that's why I figure convert to qeustion
[14:37] <micahg> yes
[14:37] <BUGabundo> of course it depends on what the user is stating
[14:37] <micahg> but they don't have the medibuntu stuff installed
[14:37] <micahg> yes
[14:37] <BUGabundo> ah then its not a MB bug
[14:37] <BUGabundo> LOL
[14:37] <micahg> ok
[14:37] <BUGabundo> yes question is a better action for those cases
[14:37] <micahg> I'll go bug slaying...
[14:38] <BUGabundo> always ask for apt-cache policy PACKAGE
[14:38] <BUGabundo> and you will see the source...
[14:38] <BUGabundo> if its not archive, most prob its not either our or MB bug
[14:38] <BUGabundo> just someone who got a deb or source from somewhre (even not from real site, but some forum/blog)
[14:39] <micahg> yep, but since we don't even support realplayer anymore, I'm just going to refer them to medibuntu
[14:40] <micahg> there's no point going back and forth and cluttering up people's inboxes who are watching the answer tracker/bug tracker
[14:40] <BUGabundo> yeah
[14:41] <BUGabundo> but see what they have and how they got it
[14:41] <BUGabundo> they should be removing and purging old stuff
[14:41] <micahg> even though it's not supported I should do this?
[14:41] <BUGabundo> doesn't hurt, does it?
[14:42] <micahg> well, it's back and forth that might be unnecessary
[14:42] <micahg> if they add the medibuntu repo and upgrade
[14:42] <BUGabundo> if ppl really want the mediubuntu one, and have some other source, it's a good, clean way to get it working
[14:44] <micahg> well, the thing is, if I'm replying to medibuntu issues in ubuntu, I can';t triage ubuntu things in ubuntu'
[14:44] <micahg> I agree with you in principle though
[14:44] <micahg> but the ubuntu backlog is large right now, no?
[14:44] <BUGabundo> hum having that on Answers isn't that bad
[14:45] <BUGabundo> micahg: bugs backlog? large? no!!!!
[14:45] <hggdh> what backlog? ;-)
[14:45] <BUGabundo> last time I heard some one making stats on it, if LP was closed for new bugs, it would take 5 years to triage all opened bugs
[14:45] <BUGabundo> and that was last year
[14:45] <BUGabundo> although bug jams seems to help A LOT
[14:47] <micahg> I've been trying to do about 10 a night, more info or convert to question
[14:47] <micahg> I'm not able to actually patch stuff yet
[14:47] <BUGabundo> micahg: np
[14:47] <BUGabundo> all your work is good... anyone can/should happened doing what one does best
[14:49] <micahg> yeah, I've only had positive feedback in here and from the users
[14:51] <BUGabundo> micahg: eheh great
[15:26] <micahg> bug 367103, I'm tempted to convert to question because user seems confused
[15:26] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 367103 in ubuntu "no audio on streaming radio sites" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/367103
[15:35] <micahg> I've got to run out for a while, but if someone can answer ^^^^ when they get a chance, I'll check back later
[15:36] <BUGabundo> micahg: let me read it
[15:37] <BUGabundo> micahg: sound like either an audio bug, or codec one
[15:37] <BUGabundo> should ask for apport info on both
[15:44] <hggdh> realplayer?
[15:46] <BUGabundo> who knows
[15:46] <BUGabundo> user doesn't mention the origin of the stream
[15:51] <micahg> I was oging to ask which site first so we can determine which plugin has the trouble
[15:52] <BUGabundo> ok
[15:53] <micahg> but I should keep it in the bug tracker for the moment?
[15:53] <BUGabundo> sure
[15:53] <hggdh> yes
[15:53] <BUGabundo> it may end being an audio bug
[15:54] <BUGabundo> but my suspistion goes with user error, or codec not installed
[15:54] <BUGabundo> any one interessed http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/19607/ ?
[15:55] <BUGabundo> brb rebboting to Karmic Koala 9.10 pre-alpha
[15:55] <dyfet> I like the foundation behind the idea...of improving upstream communication
[15:56] <micahg> does brainstorm use the same logis launchpad?n a
[16:26] <hggdh> micahg, I do not know, never been there
[16:26] <micahg> ok, nevermind, I jsut created an account
[16:29] <elena09> good evening
[16:35] <micahg> can someone mark 318359 as wishlist
[16:35] <micahg> oops
[16:36] <micahg> bug 318359
[16:36] <ubot4`> micahg: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out
[16:36] <BUGabundo> hey elena09 good to see you back, and that we didn't scare you too much
[16:36]  * BUGabundo kicks ubot4` and LP timeouts
[16:36] <BUGabundo> bug 318359
[16:36] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 318359 in firefox "' - Mozilla Firefox' always appended to window title" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/318359
[16:37]  * BUGabundo when all other means fails, try to kick it!
[16:45] <micahg> what do you mark upstream, non-ubuntu issues?
[16:45] <micahg> actually
[16:46] <micahg> scratch that
[16:46] <micahg> it is an ubuntu issue
[16:48] <BUGabundo> eheh
[16:49] <BUGabundo> micahg: how long have you been doing triage?
[16:49] <micahg> uh oh :)
[16:49] <micahg> ummm, about 2 weeks maybe
[16:49] <micahg> what did I do?
[16:50] <BUGabundo> micahg: oh nothing bad AFAIK
[16:50] <BUGabundo> just asking...
[16:50] <micahg> actually
[16:50] <micahg> only about a week :)
[16:50] <micahg> I thought I messed up on bug 318359
[16:50] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 318359 in firefox "' - Mozilla Firefox' always appended to window title" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/318359
[16:50] <BUGabundo> micahg: maybe you could apply for bug control in a month or so
[16:51] <micahg> ok
[16:51] <micahg> cool
[16:51] <micahg> does 5 a day mean you have to do 5 a day or can you average 35 a week?
[16:52] <BUGabundo> bdmurray: ping ^^^^^^^^^^
[16:52] <micahg> BUGabundo: can you wishlist 318359?
[16:52] <BUGabundo> micahg: what did you do with that bug? seems fine, its an upstream bug, where the user can track it on LP too
[16:52] <micahg> yes, I added the upstream
[16:52] <BUGabundo> looks good
[16:52] <BUGabundo> but upstream will surelly mark it as won't fix
[16:53] <BUGabundo> they like the PUB lol
[16:53] <micahg> but, I wanted to add a note to go to brainstorm to discuss removing the browser branding
[16:53] <BUGabundo> micahg: and no, I can't change bugs prio. I'm not (yet??) on bug control team
[16:53] <BUGabundo> micahg: again, this is not an Ubuntu bug, but an upstream one
[16:53] <micahg> ah
[16:53] <micahg> ok
[16:54] <micahg> well, for the moment it is in upstream control
[16:54] <BUGabundo> and Mozilla is not quite good at accepting deltas from distros while mantainig the Branding
[16:54] <micahg> but, user wants epiphany behaviour which has no branding at all
[16:54] <micahg> which would be up to ubuntu if the upstream bug was taken care of
[16:55] <micahg> hggdh: can you wishlist one for me?
[16:55] <hggdh> which one?
[16:55] <micahg> bug 318359
[16:55] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 318359 in firefox "' - Mozilla Firefox' always appended to window title" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/318359
[16:57] <BUGabundo> micahg: if Mozilla actually did that (which they won't, I think) then ubuntu would have the change too
[16:57] <hggdh> micahg, whish-listed
[16:57] <micahg> thanks
[16:58] <micahg> BUGabundo: yes, but the upstream request is only for customiatio
[16:58] <hggdh> BUGabundo, there is an upstream bug on that... so we let mozilla figure it out
[16:58] <micahg> ubuntu would then have the option for epiphany behaviour or not
[16:58] <hggdh> customisation also means taking out
[16:58] <micahg> which couuld be discussed on bainstorm
[16:58] <micahg> *brainstorm
[16:58] <hggdh> barnstorm?
[16:59] <BUGabundo> barkstorm
[16:59] <BUGabundo> ;)
[16:59] <hggdh> :-D
[16:59] <micahg> I was wonderign what qualifies as triaged?
[16:59] <micahg> ah
[16:59] <micahg> you are member of Ubuntu Bug Control and made the call
[17:02] <micahg> hggdh: I'm assuming I should place the proper comments for the user still?
[17:02] <BUGabundo> micahg: AFAICT "triage" is to go around bugs and trying to improve them so that the Dev as a GOOD bug report
[17:02] <hggdh> micahg, what proper comments?
[17:02] <micahg> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/163627/
[17:03] <BUGabundo> micahg: yeah, feed back is always a good thing
[17:03] <hggdh> hold on
[17:03] <BUGabundo> humm LP can also fetch info from Mozilla bugzilla
[17:04] <hggdh> micahg, yes, please do it
[17:04] <BUGabundo> and there are a couple of typos in there
[17:04] <micahg> also, how long does ubuntu pastebin last?
[17:04] <hggdh> would say a few days
[17:04] <micahg> BUGabundo: typos in my text?
[17:04] <BUGabundo> "http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ where "
[17:05] <BUGabundo> I would go with "Brainstorm (URL HERE) is where...."
[17:05] <BUGabundo> oh wait
[17:05] <BUGabundo> its a two line sentence
[17:05] <BUGabundo> sorry about that
[17:05] <hggdh> heh
[17:05] <micahg> I shouldn't have discussed in there twice
[17:06] <micahg> BUGabundo: LP updated 10 minutes ago
[17:14] <micahg> It's cool that launchpad tells you if other bugs point to the same upstream bug
[17:19] <BUGabundo> does it?
[17:19] <BUGabundo> dind know that
[17:19] <BUGabundo> micahg: do you have an example?
[17:21] <micahg> well, I set the upstream on bug 330449
[17:21] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 330449 in firefox "about: screen shows the wrong version number (dup-of: 194894)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/330449
[17:21] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 194894 in firefox "[MASTER] Firefox reports "version 1.9b3" in "about:"" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194894
[17:21] <micahg> and it told me 2 other bugs had it set
[17:24] <micahg> Q about bug 365143
[17:24] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 365143 in firefox "Firefox should embed PDF's" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365143
[17:24] <micahg> it's already possible
[17:24] <micahg> but, maybe user is asking if it shoudl be default?
[17:24] <micahg> I was going to convert to question
[17:26] <micahg> I could convert to question and still comment about brainstorm
[17:32] <BUGabundo> ehe
[17:33] <BUGabundo> you do love questions and BS lol
[17:33] <micahg> well, I want to clear out the bug tracker
[17:33] <micahg> * try to
[17:33] <BUGabundo> eheh
[17:33] <BUGabundo> great work!
[17:33] <micahg> so, q + bs?
[17:33] <micahg> or wishlist + bs?
[17:35] <micahg> actually, there's already a blueprint in launchpad for it
[17:35] <micahg> but it's 2.5 years old
[17:36] <BUGabundo> for what?
[17:36] <micahg> embedded pdfs in FF
[17:39] <BUGabundo> oh
[17:39] <micahg> I did Q + BS
[17:47] <micahg> asac ping
[17:48] <micahg> I'm wondering if bug 297369 is by design
[17:48] <ubot4`> micahg: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out
[17:48]  * micahg kicks ubot4`
[17:48] <micahg> bug 297369
[17:49] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 297369 in firefox-3.0 "About:config edit var" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/297369
[17:50] <BUGabundo> ahahaha
[17:50] <BUGabundo> micahg: you already learn how that works!!!! by kicking the bot1
[17:50] <BUGabundo> :))))))
[17:50] <micahg> I'm a quick study
[17:51] <BUGabundo> quick *learner* you mean micahg
[17:54] <hggdh> micahg, not sure. Let's try it
[17:54] <micahg> try to modify it?
[17:54] <micahg> the useragentswitch plugin is the easy way to do it
[17:54] <hggdh> yes. (Although I am on 9.04, and the reporter on 8.04)
[17:55] <micahg> but i'm just want to know if it resets by design
[17:55] <micahg> I think it does
[17:55] <micahg> because there is an override value in there
[17:55] <micahg> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Firefox_:_FAQs_:_About:config_Entries#General..2A
[17:56] <micahg> hggdh: wondering if I should convert to Q and refer to useragenswitch plugin
[17:58] <hggdh> I think it is a good idea, mostly because there is already a plugin to do that
[17:58] <micahg> ok
[18:02] <micahg> ahhh...bugs are addictive...
[18:04] <BUGabundo> are they?
[18:50] <hggdh> they are. They are addictive and multiplicative, have closure, but are uncountable
[18:51] <BUGabundo> eheh
[18:54] <hggdh> but... they are not abelian
[18:58] <Rocket2DMn> hey guys, bug 129223 has some dups marked by apport, but no trace
[18:58] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 129223 in willowng "willowng crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129223
[18:59] <Rocket2DMn> what would you like to do with it
[19:01] <BUGabundo> Rocket2DMn: doesn't LP remove traces when it autodupes bugs?
[19:01] <Rocket2DMn> BUGabundo, yes, but its strange b/c the parent bug doesnt have a trace
[19:12] <micahg> bug 259365
[19:12] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 259365 in firefox-3.0 "Please update Firefox 3 Thai locale from CVS" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/259365
[19:12] <micahg> fix was released by mozilla, and got into ubuntu
[19:12] <micahg> DO I mark Fix Released even though no upstream bug islsited?
[19:21] <BUGabundo> micahg: is it in the repos? if so, sure, if not Fix Commited
[19:21] <micahg> yep
[19:22] <micahg> ok, so I had a bug that I converted to a Q, I just found a dup that
[19:22] <micahg> s a little more descriptive
[19:22] <micahg> but still should become a Q
[19:28] <micahg> nevermind
[20:12] <micahg> How do I check if a certain language version of FF is in ubuntu?
[20:15] <BUGabundo> micahg: translation ?
[20:15] <micahg> it's not under that tab
[20:19] <micahg> BUGabundo: it appears to be there
[20:19] <micahg> but it's hard to find
[20:19] <micahg> i had to use google :(
[20:22] <savvas> micahg: dpkg -L language-pack-xx-base | grep firefox
[20:22] <savvas> where "xx" is the code of the language you want
[20:24] <micahg> what if I donm't have it installed
[20:25] <savvas> i might be wrong though
[20:26] <savvas> from what I see, they're like extensions
[20:26] <savvas> /usr/lib/firefox-addons/extensions/langpack-el@firefox-3.0.ubuntu.com
[20:27] <savvas> micahg: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=language-pack-
[20:28] <savvas> you select a release and under "Files" there's a link [list of files]
[20:29] <micahg> ok
[20:29] <micahg> What I was looking for isn't there
[20:29] <micahg> so it didn't make it in yet
[20:29] <virtuald> i'm trying to find a bug report about xorg on radeon crashing when the screen saver is running, does anyone know about it?
[20:29] <virtuald> on jaunty
[20:30] <savvas> micahg: which language?
[20:31] <savvas> it doesn't show all the language packages there unforunately
[20:31] <savvas> http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/language-pack-xx-base <- xx = your language code
[20:32] <micahg> et
[20:35] <Pici> I'm having issues similar to bug #345900, but I'm not sure what I should do to provide more information or fix..
[20:35] <ubot4`> Pici: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out
[20:36] <Pici> https://bugs.launchpad.net/pyglet/+bug/345900
[20:36] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 345900 in ubuntu "opengl issues with ati FireGL card" [Undecided,New]