| YokoZar1 | Anyone else notice that the word "jackalope" isn't in our dictionary? (Then again, neither is Ubuntu) | 00:21 |
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| bluefoxicy | ~$ serpentine | 00:35 |
| bluefoxicy | Traceback (most recent call last): | 00:35 |
| bluefoxicy | File "/usr/bin/serpentine", line 109, in <module> | 00:35 |
| bluefoxicy | assert path.isdir(locations.lib) | 00:35 |
| bluefoxicy | AssertionError | 00:35 |
| bluefoxicy | latest version on Jaunty | 00:35 |
| azeem | bluefoxicy: bug reports go to launchpad AFAIK | 00:37 |
| bluefoxicy | azeem: nods, so not a known issue | 00:38 |
| * calc hopes the house he is going to tour tomorrow isn't too screwed up, 4300 sq ft in a private neighborhood with guardshack, 3 gold courses, yacht club, etc for < $190K | 01:20 | |
| calc | apparently it needs some repair but not sure how much yet | 01:20 |
| calc | s/gold/golf/ | 01:20 |
| LaserJock | calc: where are you? | 01:21 |
| calc | LaserJock: texas | 01:21 |
| LaserJock | you can't get a crack house for that around here :-) | 01:21 |
| calc | LaserJock: heh yea the house tax value is $350K still cheap compared to most other areas | 01:22 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 01:22 |
| calc | i'm hoping to talk them down to ~ $150K or so if its not too damaged for me, its been on the market for over 8 months already | 01:22 |
| LaserJock | 4300 sq ft is pretty nice | 01:22 |
| LaserJock | mine is 904 :-) | 01:23 |
| calc | yea, about 3x the size of my condo | 01:23 |
| calc | my current place is ~ 1600sqft | 01:23 |
| calc | and i hate having a shared wall with a neighbor they are always make noise late at night | 01:23 |
| slangasek | < $190K? that /almost/ makes it sound like it'd be worth living in Texas :) | 01:46 |
| ScottK | Have you lived in Texas? | 01:46 |
| slangasek | no | 01:46 |
| slangasek | I got my fill just visiting | 01:47 |
| ScottK | Heh | 01:51 |
| LaserJock | closest I've been was flying into Dallas/Ft Worth airport once | 01:51 |
| * ScottK lived there just long enough to experience a hurricane. | 01:52 | |
| LaserJock | yeah, that's something I worry about | 01:53 |
| LaserJock | I've always lived in places that were fairly free of natural disasters | 01:53 |
| LaserJock | and mostly free of nasty snakes | 01:53 |
| directhex | natural disasters will follow you anywhere | 02:05 |
| directhex | even the centre of the uk has the occasional earthquake | 02:05 |
| directhex | and snakes can be found on planes | 02:05 |
| LaserJock | yeah, just depends on what you're used to I guess | 02:06 |
| LaserJock | I had a professor that would much rather take on a grizzly bear than live in a city | 02:07 |
| LaserJock | I'm going for an interview for a job in Lexington, MA in a couple weeks and I'm petrified of driving in Boston | 02:08 |
| ScottK | LaserJock: Fly into Manchester, NH and drive down to Lexington. It's about the same distance and you can avoid the Boston traffic | 02:09 |
| LaserJock | ScottK: too late, the Air Force already booked it for me | 02:09 |
| ScottK | Ah, OK. | 02:09 |
| directhex | has boston's big dig ended yet? | 02:16 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 02:16 |
| ScottK | I think there's still some fixing the parts they messed up going on, but I'm pretty sure the basic project is done. | 02:16 |
| directhex | well, shows how many years it is since i was in boston then | 02:19 |
| calc | slangasek: it has a cracked foundation, i will be looking at it tomorrow, and if nothing else major is wrong with i will be having a company give me a quote for repair to see if it is worth buying | 02:55 |
| calc | apparently repairing foundations can vary a lot in cost depending on how severe it is, anywhere from $2K to $40K+ | 02:56 |
| * ScottK plunked ~15K down for foundation repair a few years ago. | 02:59 | |
| calc | ScottK: ouch | 02:59 |
| LaserJock | ScottK: did they have to lift the house? | 03:00 |
| calc | well if i can get a house for less than half price and only pay a few thousand or so to fix it, then its not too bad | 03:00 |
| ScottK | It was a process where they basically put hydraulic stilts down to bedrock to lift it back up and hold it there. | 03:00 |
| calc | ScottK: yea | 03:02 |
| * calc bbl | 03:14 | |
| slangasek | calc: ah yes, cracked foundations are teh suck | 03:38 |
| slangasek | that explains the markdown ;) | 03:39 |
| calc | slangasek: apparently its relatively cheap to fix compared to the value of the home so might be worth the hassle, i should know more tomorrow | 03:48 |
| * slangasek nods | 03:49 | |
| pwnguin | calc: value of the home or value of the land? | 04:17 |
| pwnguin | calc: either way, at least in the US you can probably find labor to fix it cheap at the moment ;) | 04:17 |
| calc | pwnguin: well if it costs ~ $10K to fix its probably worth it since the house value is ~ $350K | 04:26 |
| pwnguin | the house itself? | 04:28 |
| pwnguin | usually land value is most of a property value | 04:28 |
| pace_t_zulu | !ot | 04:28 |
| ubottu | #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics. Thanks! | 04:28 |
| pace_t_zulu | haha | 04:28 |
| calc | pwnguin: not in texas :) | 04:28 |
| pwnguin | man | 04:28 |
| pace_t_zulu | i am having fun w/ !ot today | 04:28 |
| pace_t_zulu | pwnguin: knows this | 04:29 |
| calc | pwnguin: i think the lots are only worth 5-30K well the non-water-front lots anyway | 04:29 |
| pwnguin | does your appraisal split up home and land? | 04:29 |
| calc | pwnguin: the house is 4300 sqft (~ 400 sq m) | 04:29 |
| pwnguin | unfortunately, i have no idea how many sqft the home im in right now is | 04:30 |
| LaserJock | calc: how much land? | 04:30 |
| calc | LaserJock: around 10000 sq ft | 04:31 |
| LaserJock | heh, it's measured in sq ft? | 04:31 |
| calc | yea | 04:32 |
| calc | so .22 acre | 04:32 |
| calc | according to the tax records the land is worth $9600 and the house $341500 | 04:32 |
| LaserJock | ok, ~10K would seem sort of reasonable for Texas | 04:33 |
| calc | i think some of the lots on waterfront are ~ $300K | 04:33 |
| calc | but thats pretty crazy for land price in texas, heh | 04:33 |
| pwnguin | that just doesnt make sense much to me | 04:33 |
| pwnguin | our house is 150k, and most of that is land | 04:34 |
| LaserJock | heh, my parents land came out to $440 for .22 acres :-) | 04:34 |
| pwnguin | going by the appraisal, we can replace the house for $40K | 04:35 |
| calc | http://tiny.cc/6Nc6p <- example empty lot | 04:35 |
| calc | thats in the same neighborhood i am looking in | 04:35 |
| LaserJock | calc: gotta dig your own well out there? | 04:36 |
| pwnguin | ah, well sure, if you live in the middle of nowhere | 04:36 |
| pwnguin | for some reason i assumed this was dfw | 04:37 |
| calc | LaserJock: no, its more or less a resort, 3 golf courses, yacht club, etc | 04:37 |
| LaserJock | right | 04:37 |
| LaserJock | sounds real nice | 04:37 |
| calc | about an hour drive from downtown houston | 04:37 |
| pwnguin | obviously not a huge problem if you telecommute :) | 04:38 |
| calc | yea thats good too :) | 04:38 |
| calc | its a bit longer drive to the airport from where i live now but i wouldn't mind | 04:38 |
| pwnguin | why is downtown houston the benchmark? | 04:38 |
| calc | pwnguin: where most people work that live there i imagine | 04:38 |
| calc | pwnguin: its the nearest place where people can make enough money to live in that neighborhood, heh | 04:38 |
| pwnguin | maybe before enron fell apart ;) | 04:39 |
| calc | i think the average house there is ~ $400K when the average income in the county is < $40K/yr (afaik) | 04:39 |
| calc | so texas is definiely cheaper than california (and other places) but people also generally make less money to go along with it | 04:40 |
| pwnguin | i like the town names that map picks out. "cut and shoot" | 04:40 |
| calc | heh | 04:40 |
| pwnguin | when i was a child we lived in longview | 04:41 |
| calc | it has a wikipedia entry | 04:41 |
| calc | ah thats not too far from dallas | 04:41 |
| pwnguin | i wouldnt know | 04:42 |
| LaserJock | it is interesting how town names can be so regional | 04:43 |
| pwnguin | you mean like texarkana? | 04:43 |
| LaserJock | like in the northwest there are a lot of native american names | 04:44 |
| LaserJock | I grew up in Medicine Lodge valley, part of Horse Prairie in Beaverhead County | 04:44 |
| LaserJock | and then like southwest is pretty spanish | 04:45 |
| pwnguin | can't imagine why | 04:45 |
| pwnguin | on the other hand, the college town i went to was named "manhattan" | 04:48 |
| LaserJock | Kansas? | 04:48 |
| pwnguin | yep | 04:48 |
| LaserJock | I applied for a job there | 04:48 |
| slangasek | named after the chowder, perahps | 04:48 |
| pwnguin | recently? | 04:48 |
| LaserJock | pwnguin: as in I'm waiting to hear back | 04:49 |
| pwnguin | they should be in a hiring freeze | 04:49 |
| pwnguin | hurray for economic recession | 04:49 |
| LaserJock | it was an already advertised position so I'm guessing it's safe from a freeze, but who knows | 04:49 |
| pwnguin | you might check out #ksu and #k-slug | 04:50 |
| pwnguin | on freenode | 04:50 |
| LaserJock | my uni is looking at cutting %50 | 04:50 |
| pwnguin | woa | 04:50 |
| pwnguin | and people say KANSAS is the educational cess pool :P | 04:50 |
| LaserJock | nah, come out to Nevada | 04:50 |
| LaserJock | we have like one of the lowest per/capita spending | 04:51 |
| LaserJock | and since everything is based off of gambling when the economy dives there's not much to do about it | 04:51 |
| calc | most of the south seems to still believe the earth is flat.. etc | 04:51 |
| pwnguin | our supreme court had to rule that not funding education was unconstitutional | 04:51 |
| LaserJock | calc: well given what much of the midwest looks like anyway it's understandable ;-) | 04:52 |
| calc | heh | 04:53 |
| pwnguin | well, at least manhattan isnt boring | 04:54 |
| pwnguin | http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimrichardsonphotography/2990897117/ | 04:54 |
| pwnguin | http://www.flickr.com/photos/juddpatterson/492165690/ | 04:55 |
| LaserJock | that's pretty sweet | 04:55 |
| LaserJock | pwnguin: that fire shot reminds me of one we had a couple years ago: http://www.flickr.com/photos/onnie/148586628/ | 04:58 |
| pwnguin | oh, these are *deliberate* | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | yeah, we only do those in the fields | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | and they don't look nearly as cool as that one you had | 04:59 |
| pwnguin | thats basically what passes for fields | 05:00 |
| pwnguin | if you felt like parking on I70 you could probably snap a similar picture at the right time of year | 05:01 |
| calc | hmm in another neighborhood nearby there are lots > $800K that aren't even waterfront, heh | 05:14 |
| calc | hmm i only thought that was the expensive lots... they go up to at least 1.5M | 05:16 |
| LaserJock | calc: that's quite a range | 05:22 |
| * calc going to bed, bbl | 05:24 | |
| speakman | hi folks, where can I found Intel xserver deveopers? I have a big issue with my intel chip on my laptop and maybe I can help identifying what's causing it. | 06:50 |
| speakman | After upgrading from Intrepid to Jaunty it totally screwed up my graphics, and even removing the xorg.conf did not help. | 06:51 |
| speakman | reverting back to intel 2.4 driver made it at least usable | 07:37 |
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| doko | cjwatson_, slangasek, Riddell, pitti, infinity: if you are around, please promote tsconf to main, anything needing pango/cairo/gtk is uninstallable ... | 13:54 |
| DairyKnight | hi, anybody could give me a short guide on how video adapter drivers implement the 'switch to external display' functionality? | 13:59 |
| james_w | doko: done | 13:59 |
| DairyKnight | or give me some link to documents? | 13:59 |
| doko | james_w: thanks, will add your nick for future pestering ... ;) | 14:00 |
| james_w | damn ;-) | 14:00 |
| BUGabundo | hi | 14:02 |
| BUGabundo | what package is repsonsible for /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades ? | 14:03 |
| BUGabundo | during karmic distupgrade its asks to set Debian instead of Ubuntu karmic | 14:03 |
| soren | BUGabundo: I'm going to guess unattended-upgrades. | 14:03 |
| BUGabundo | ok | 14:03 |
| BUGabundo | filing bug against it | 14:03 |
| BUGabundo | thanks soren | 14:03 |
| soren | BUGabundo: What does that file say? | 14:03 |
| BUGabundo | soren: http://paste.ubuntu.com/163543/ | 14:04 |
| mnemo | BUGabundo: you can find the package responsible for any file by running "dpkg -S /path/to/file.ext" | 14:04 |
| doko | james_w: libpt-dev libpt-doc libdatrie-dev libdatrie-doc libdatrie1 libdatrie1-bin look obvious as well (renamings) | 14:05 |
| soren | BUGabundo: Which version of the package are you installign? | 14:05 |
| BUGabundo | soren: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/371222 | 14:05 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/371222/+text) | 14:05 |
| BUGabundo | soren: Installed: 0.39debian1 | 14:05 |
| BUGabundo | humm auto sync mistake? | 14:06 |
| soren | BUGabundo: That's from Debian. | 14:06 |
| BUGabundo | should have been touched by a ubuntu dev, then | 14:06 |
| BUGabundo | soren: I just have karmic sources! | 14:06 |
| soren | BUGabundo: Oh, right. Yes, that's a mistake. | 14:06 |
| BUGabundo | $ pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list | 14:06 |
| BUGabundo | http://paste.ubuntu.com/163544/ | 14:06 |
| BUGabundo | soren: bug updated with new info too | 14:07 |
| BUGabundo | now to ping who ever *should* be managing it | 14:07 |
| Hobbsee | hrm, tha'ts a native package. | 14:08 |
| Hobbsee | I wonder if that's a bug in the autosyncer | 14:08 |
| soren | Why would that matter? | 14:09 |
| Hobbsee | because it looks like it's debian native? | 14:11 |
| * soren doesn't get it | 14:11 | |
| Hobbsee | i thought our native metapackages were 1ubuntu1 or whatever. | 14:11 |
| soren | unattended-upgrades isn't a metapackage? | 14:12 |
| BUGabundo | Hobbsee: they are, when they are touched | 14:13 |
| BUGabundo | soren: no! | 14:13 |
| soren | I know. | 14:14 |
| soren | So I'm wondering why Hobbsee speaks of metapackages. | 14:14 |
| BUGabundo | ahh | 14:14 |
| BUGabundo | lol missed that | 14:14 |
| soren | Who maintains sync-blacklist.txt ? | 14:15 |
| Hobbsee | was meaning in general. metapackages was obviously the wrong term. | 14:15 |
| Hobbsee | soren: archive admins, i expect. | 14:16 |
| soren | Hobbsee: Sounds reasonable. | 14:16 |
| Hobbsee | i don't have access | 14:16 |
| soren | Hobbsee: Ok. | 14:17 |
| soren | I still don't see how it's a bug in the autosyncer. | 14:17 |
| mnemo | would be nice if someone fixed "system::admin::software sources" UI in karmic | 14:19 |
| mnemo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/371228 | 14:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 371228 in software-properties ""system::admin::software sources" broken in karmic due to NoDistroTemplateException" [Undecided,New] | 14:19 |
| BUGabundo | shouldn't I be getting a reboot message? | 14:20 |
| Hobbsee | soren: it probably isn't. I'm probably wrong. | 14:20 |
| soren | mnemo: Bringing up every bug in Karmic on IRC is not very useful. Karmic is less than two weeks old. Breakage is /expected/. | 14:21 |
| BUGabundo | AFAICT it's a bug on the package it self | 14:21 |
| BUGabundo | it shouldn't have been autosinc | 14:21 |
| BUGabundo | oh wait, that would mean it's a bug on the blacklist rules | 14:21 |
| james_w | it's never been in the sync blacklist as far as I can see | 14:27 |
| BUGabundo | james_w: but it should, other wise it will always do what it now did for me | 14:30 |
| james_w | I know | 14:30 |
| james_w | I've just added it | 14:30 |
| BUGabundo | or at least tried to, I stopped it from doing , and manually updated the file | 14:30 |
| BUGabundo | james_w: but now we need someone to maintain it, and change the repo version for karmic | 14:31 |
| james_w | sure | 14:31 |
| james_w | it has a maintainer | 14:31 |
| BUGabundo | who is it james_w? | 14:34 |
| james_w | MIchael of course :-) | 14:34 |
| BUGabundo | Maintainer: Michael Vogt <michael.vogt@ubuntu.com> | 14:34 |
| BUGabundo | spoke too soon | 14:34 |
| BUGabundo | mvo you lazy dev.... eheh | 14:34 |
| BUGabundo | so, to rest this, is this a bug on the package it self? or the blacklist? or both | 14:35 |
| james_w | package | 14:35 |
| james_w | you don't need to do anything else | 14:35 |
| james_w | unless you want to propose a patch for the bug | 14:36 |
| BUGabundo | I don't do code.. sorry | 14:36 |
| james_w | doko: also done | 14:36 |
| BUGabundo | but im too good finding bugs | 14:36 |
| eierdieb | hej anyone here may tell me where you can request new features for ubuntu officially? | 14:38 |
| mnemo | eierdieb: brainstorm or maybe a wishlist bug if it's a small specific thing | 14:39 |
| eierdieb | its more like a small specific thing | 14:40 |
| BUGabundo | eierdieb: what is it? | 14:40 |
| eierdieb | you know trickle? | 14:40 |
| BUGabundo | yep | 14:41 |
| BUGabundo | have few bugs with it | 14:41 |
| eierdieb | i'd like the system-monitor to have sort of plugin where you can shape traffic like you do with trickle | 14:41 |
| eierdieb | in a way like with ne nice values | 14:42 |
| eierdieb | -ne + the | 14:42 |
| BUGabundo | in real time? how that would be great | 14:42 |
| BUGabundo | but that's not a wishbug! | 14:43 |
| BUGabundo | more on brainstorm, unless eierdieb you are doing it yourself | 14:43 |
| BUGabundo | that package is not done on Ubuntu. so any major changes should be done upstream | 14:43 |
| eierdieb | what i actually wanted to ask is where i can request such a feature in any of the wide variety of forums or so - is there any place where simple users like me can post such things? | 14:44 |
| eierdieb | if there is - didnt found as fast as i maybe have liked to - so i went here :D | 14:45 |
| BUGabundo | eierdieb: upstream | 14:46 |
| BUGabundo | prob their ML... but not an easy task... | 14:47 |
| eierdieb | would be great if there is a forum where simple end-users may request features which, after proper discussion, would be directed to the devel-team responsible | 15:01 |
| LaserJock | eierdieb: I believe that's what brainstorm.ubuntu.com is about | 15:01 |
| eierdieb | oh | 15:02 |
| eierdieb | sry | 15:02 |
| BUGabundo | LaserJock: but that's just "ubuntu" | 15:03 |
| BUGabundo | what eierdieb want wants is a major change, on an upstream package | 15:03 |
| BUGabundo | either email them, or open a wish bug with them | 15:03 |
| LaserJock | BUGabundo: it could start on brainstorm.u.c if the users don't know any better spot | 15:04 |
| LaserJock | sometimes it's not easily apparent who's responsibility something is | 15:04 |
| eierdieb | but upstream seems to me like very much to do for an end user like me who simple likes a feature to be implemented | 15:04 |
| BUGabundo | LaserJock: sure... but I now provided eierdieb extra info on how direct is idea | 15:04 |
| LaserJock | BUGabundo: great | 15:04 |
| BUGabundo | eierdieb: the point here, is that its upstream who have to make the change | 15:05 |
| BUGabundo | and they need to hear about it, from the users | 15:05 |
| eierdieb | and the place for this is brainstorm | 15:05 |
| BUGabundo | having it alone on brainstorm won't even let them know *you* wanted it | 15:05 |
| eierdieb | so what exactly does brainstorm do? | 15:06 |
| eierdieb | excuse my bad english oO | 15:06 |
| BUGabundo | eierdieb: its allows users to express and vote on ideas they want to see improved on *Ubuntu* | 15:06 |
| BUGabundo | eierdieb: your english is good enough | 15:06 |
| eierdieb | my problem is more like gnome i think | 15:07 |
| BUGabundo | eierdieb: it is! | 15:07 |
| LaserJock | BUGabundo: although I would suggest that most of the stuff on brainstorm is really upstream issues | 15:07 |
| BUGabundo | that change to SM would also impact every other distro that uses it, not just Ubuntu | 15:07 |
| BUGabundo | LaserJock: agreed. but we don't have an easy wait for doing it | 15:07 |
| BUGabundo | no Upstream bug, a la LP | 15:08 |
| BUGabundo | maybe that would be a great idea for Brainstorm: easy way to let Upstream know about Ubuntu User Brainstorm ideas" | 15:08 |
| LaserJock | BUGabundo: you should file a brainstorm bug about that ;-) | 15:08 |
| BUGabundo | doing it now | 15:08 |
| eierdieb | but it would be a really nice move from the community to make such an easy way for the end users | 15:09 |
| eierdieb | like you said | 15:09 |
| BUGabundo | !brainstorm | 15:09 |
| ubottu | Post your ideas for ubuntu at http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com and vote for the ones you like! | 15:09 |
| * BUGabundo is to lazy to type de URL | 15:09 | |
| eierdieb | brainstorm will be handled by me in time =) | 15:10 |
| BUGabundo | eierdieb: ah? | 15:11 |
| eierdieb | but i like to bring this idea of an easy-way-to-request-features to the community - since this is community related does anyone know with whome i can talk about this? | 15:12 |
| BUGabundo | funny. no dupes! can't believe no one ever thought about this | 15:13 |
| eierdieb | so is there? | 15:13 |
| eierdieb | maybe i try #ubuntuforums what do you think? (or is there maybe a channel more community related?) | 15:15 |
| eierdieb | i see there is a brainstorm channel - good2know | 15:16 |
| BUGabundo | eierdieb: LaserJock: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/19607/ | 15:16 |
| BUGabundo | eierdieb: *this* is NOT a brainstorm channel | 15:17 |
| eierdieb | i know ^^ | 15:17 |
| eierdieb | sorry to bother you that much with my problems i just needed somewhere to start :D | 15:18 |
| eierdieb | but thanks and tanks much more for the brainstorm post | 15:18 |
| BUGabundo | bddebian: hi | 15:19 |
| bddebian | Hi BUGabundo | 15:20 |
| eierdieb | what exactly means the "QA" in ubuntu QA? | 15:21 |
| BUGabundo | !QA | 15:22 |
| ubottu | To change the importance of a bug, you need to be part of the Ubuntu QA team. see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuQA | 15:22 |
| BUGabundo | eierdieb: its Quality Assurance! | 15:23 |
| eierdieb | ah thx | 15:23 |
| BUGabundo | its a team responsible for how good ubuntu probs get fixed I guess | 15:23 |
| * BUGabundo when in doubt either ask the bot, or BUGabundo :) | 15:23 | |
| eierdieb | does upstream communicate directly with the devel team of e.g. SM? (or how does it work haven't figured it out exactly) | 15:30 |
| eierdieb | too bad there is no upstream chat | 15:30 |
| BUGabundo | eierdieb: ubuntu devs that maintain packages from upstream usually keep very well informed with changes | 15:30 |
| BUGabundo | or are them selfs coders for those packages! | 15:31 |
| BUGabundo | eierdieb: there is! many upstreams are on IRC too | 15:31 |
| BUGabundo | like #kde, #plasma, etc | 15:31 |
| eierdieb | yeah i meant no #ubuntu-upstream or so | 15:31 |
| BUGabundo | gnome is on its own irc server irc.gnome.com | 15:31 |
| BUGabundo | eiei hehe | 15:31 |
| BUGabundo | and *why* would every upstream just vouche for Ubuntu? | 15:32 |
| BUGabundo | its not their job to do it... it's the other way around | 15:32 |
| eierdieb | found none here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat | 15:32 |
| eierdieb | right | 15:32 |
| BUGabundo | *distros* are responsible to keep track of what changes | 15:32 |
| BUGabundo | eierdieb: those are only a list of Ubuntu channels | 15:33 |
| dyfet | eierdieb: upstream sometimes have diveregant goals and interests, depends on the package. Often, as BUGabundo noted, there are ubuntu packagers who are also active in the upstream project | 15:34 |
| eierdieb | yep i just expected upstream there too | 15:34 |
| BUGabundo | either check of a wiki with a list of upstream support/user/devel channels, or start making one your self | 15:34 |
| BUGabundo | eierdieb: ^^^^^ | 15:34 |
| eierdieb | ^^ | 15:34 |
| BUGabundo | dyfet: that's just wrong and _we_ now it! having deltas is just bad | 15:34 |
| BUGabundo | ubuntu development should go with upstream goals | 15:34 |
| BUGabundo | eierdieb: that was meant to point you to my last noticed | 15:35 |
| eierdieb | kk | 15:35 |
| eierdieb | so my last question for now - when something "arrives" in upstream there is no larger further redirecting of the problem whatsoever? | 15:37 |
| dyfet | BUGabundo: I meant broadly, I have (though only on rare occassion) seen this problem of differences between packager and upstream goals...and when I mean broadly, I also mean in respect to other distros, not necissarly this one :) | 15:37 |
| eierdieb | i mean this is the last station befor people are handling it | 15:38 |
| eierdieb | have i gotten this right= | 15:39 |
| BUGabundo | eierdieb: more or less yes | 15:39 |
| BUGabundo | dyfet: like the FUSA example? | 15:39 |
| eierdieb | great | 15:39 |
| eierdieb | thx again am gettin visitors soon so bye (for now^^) and have a good time ;) | 15:40 |
| LaserJock | BUGabundo: it would be quite low probability to get all of our several thousand upstreams all with the same goals and interests, at some point the distro has to make some choices | 15:41 |
| BUGabundo | LaserJock: really? | 15:42 |
| LaserJock | really | 15:42 |
| BUGabundo | humm I mean... each upstream... | 15:42 |
| BUGabundo | not that every upstream should think the same way | 15:42 |
| BUGabundo | not seeing an example dough | 15:42 |
| BUGabundo | you mean stuff like PA and GNOME ? | 15:42 |
| LaserJock | even Ubuntu itself doesn't have the same goals and interests within itself | 15:43 |
| LaserJock | some people are for bleeding edge desktop, some are for rock stable server, some are for mono, some are not, etc. | 15:43 |
| BUGabundo | yeah agree | 15:43 |
| LaserJock | we try to define some common goals, enough to move things foward | 15:44 |
| LaserJock | sometimes upstreams have somewhat different goals | 15:44 |
| LaserJock | though generally everybody wants to give users the "best" | 15:44 |
| BUGabundo | eheh | 15:44 |
| BUGabundo | "what's the *best*?" lol | 15:45 |
| BUGabundo | again ambiguous | 15:45 |
| LaserJock | yep | 15:45 |
| dyfet | LaserJock: just sometimes different people have different opinions as to what is "best" ;) | 15:46 |
| dyfet | The key is as a community, these differences can be collectively resolved. | 15:48 |
| BUGabundo | dyfet: unfortunately most of the times its left to a small group of Devs | 15:48 |
| * BUGabundo see DX team case | 15:48 | |
| aemyr | Is grub2 ready for 9.10 ? | 15:52 |
| BUGabundo | brb rebboting to Karmic Koala 9.10 pre-alpha | 15:55 |
| directhex | "pre-alpha" is a bit generous isn't it? | 15:56 |
| LaserJock | more pre-anything | 16:04 |
| LaserJock | I built a karmic pbuilder without even hitting a single breakage :( | 16:04 |
| BUGabundo | back and alive! seems distupgrade went well | 16:05 |
| BUGabundo | just noting that I still have 9.04 kernel! | 16:06 |
| BUGabundo | isn't there on for karmic? not even the one in -propose ? | 16:06 |
| StevenK | BUGabundo: The kernel team are probably waiting until they upload -meta for the 2.6.30 kernel in karmic | 16:16 |
| BUGabundo | yeah seems so StevenK | 16:17 |
| BUGabundo | the linux-generic still depends on .11 | 16:17 |
| BUGabundo | manually installing it synaptic while karmic modules still build | 16:18 |
| allquixotic | Hello! I see jack is still 0.116.1 in Karmic, currently. Debian unstable/experimental still uses this version, too. However, this is a point release behind the latest JACK1 version 0.116.2 with bugfixes that affect me; furthermore, there is JACK2, which is backwards compatible with JACK1-using apps, but *significantly* better performance and several new features. Could we deviate from Debian and pull in JACK2 for Karmic | 16:28 |
| allquixotic | , if Debian is going to lag behind on this? | 16:28 |
| allquixotic | I'll note that JACK2 is declared "stable", evidenced by the 1.9.2 release version on the website. | 16:29 |
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| siretart | allquixotic: and JACK2 is basically a rewrite of jack1 with a totally different codebase and therefore a set of bugs | 17:45 |
| siretart | allquixotic: are you willing to actively maintain jack2 in ubuntu and/or debian? | 17:46 |
| sebner | siretart: I'm wondering about the --without-dvdcss in the configure call of vlc. if you have libdvdcss installed it works nevertheless. or means with-dvdcss built-in-support? | 17:48 |
| siretart | sebner: the latter | 17:50 |
| sebner | siretart: I see. thx | 17:50 |
| BUGabundo | oh sebner is back! how was the trip? | 17:51 |
| siretart | sebner: it can use libdvdread, which in turn uses then libdvdcss. or vlc can use libdvdcss directly | 17:51 |
| siretart | probably windows folks prefer using libdvdcss directly. no idea | 17:51 |
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| MattJ | I'm trying to build a package that tracks a source repository - does anyone have any tips for this, or some scripts which handle the process? | 19:14 |
| hyperair | MattJ: what repository is that? | 19:16 |
| MattJ | hyperair: http://prosody.im/source/hg - Mercurial | 19:16 |
| MattJ | I'm trying to make a prosody-dev package which will always be (to some extent) up to date | 19:17 |
| BUGabundo | I think what MattJ wants is something like fta bots. I think I remember some autobuild tools on LP | 19:17 |
| * BUGabundo yeah MattJ I'm everywhere | 19:17 | |
| MattJ | :) | 19:17 |
| Terces_ | I was looking at different backup solutions and found rdiff-backup and duplicity. I really like the rdiff-backup versioning, but need it to be encrypted like duplicity, since many users will be backing up personal files to a company server. Does anyone have any ideas? | 19:40 |
| Terces_ | Also, when mounting private home folders in Jaunty, I believe they are mounted over the encrypted base store in .Private. Is there a way to get access to the encrypted store while the home is mounted (i.e. decrypted)? | 19:40 |
| flower_ | I want to add debian-installer to an ubuntu live-cd I want to make with live-helper, but I got: http://rafb.net/p/vOEWjj75.html | 19:42 |
| calc | i went to look at the house today... needs a lot of work but i'll have to have some people come out to give me quotes | 21:00 |
| directhex | this is the $6.99 place the size of buckingham palace? | 21:02 |
| calc | directhex: yea more or less | 21:26 |
| calc | directhex: it needs lots of foundation work, i am going to get someone to give me a quote, not sure if it is $10K or $100K worth of work | 21:26 |
| calc | directhex: then it needs sheetrock, tile repair, and maybe brick/mortar work, etc | 21:27 |
| calc | if its less than $30K it might be worth my time | 21:27 |
| calc | depending on how cheap i can get the house for | 21:27 |
| calc | so my vacation this year may be spent rebuilding a house, heh | 21:28 |
| calc | it really needs a lot more work than that to make it look 'nice' but i can do that over the years i live there | 21:29 |
| calc | someone thought that using floor tile on the kitchen countertops was suitable rather than granite (which is normal for this type of house) | 21:29 |
| calc | considering i have a kid i would probably go with some sort of quartz/etc countertop since granite is too much upkeep, but tile is just ugly, heh | 21:30 |
| directhex | wood. it would stain with the blood of your enemies! | 21:31 |
| calc | heh yea | 21:33 |
| slangasek | upkeep? I thought granite just sat there, being stone | 21:42 |
| calc | slangasek: it can get stained if you don't reseal it every few years | 21:45 |
| slangasek | ok | 21:45 |
| calc | slangasek: assuming you spill certain types of substances on it like cooking oil (aiui) | 21:45 |
| calc | and calcium from water can cause white residue buildup but i think that is relatively easy to clean | 21:45 |
| calc | since granite generally is polished and shiny it shows up more than on other types of countertops | 21:47 |
| pace_t_zulu | !ot | 21:50 |
| ubottu | #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics. Thanks! | 21:50 |
| * calc wishes someone would process his sync requests so he can upload OOo 3.1.0 :\ | 21:58 | |
| LaserJock | calc: that's for Karmic? | 21:59 |
| calc | LaserJock: yea | 22:00 |
| calc | jaunty is done and shipped ;-) | 22:00 |
| calc | i'm turning off features to get it to build for testing purposes atm but need the syncs before i upload to karmic | 22:01 |
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