[00:00] <duvnell1> giovani: yeah.. I'm comfortable doing it manually.. just asking if there was an easier way
[00:01] <giovani> I don't see why you'd want/need two different ports anyway -- just use two different ddns names, and use name-based virtual hosting
[00:01] <duvnell1> what file(s) is being updated when I'm running services-admin and enable/disable a service?
[00:01] <giovani> duvnell1: what's services-admin?
[00:01] <thirsteh> or use something like nginx ;-)
[00:01] <duvnell1> I have dhcpd enabled, and it's starting on boot, but it's apparently dying because it's not in the ps list after booting.. starting it manually fixes things
[00:01] <sam_> giovani: this is my first time using linux as a server so i thought that would be the best way
[00:02] <duvnell1> giovani: System->Administration->Services
[00:02] <giovani> sam_: the proper way would be to register two dns names with your ddns provider
[00:02] <giovani> duvnell1: we don't support guis in here
[00:02] <duvnell1> and I do see dhcpd start in /var/log/messages
[00:02] <duvnell1> ok.. no more GUI talk
[00:02] <duvnell1> how do I enable/disable a service?  update-rc.d?
[00:03] <giovani> sudo /etc/init.d/service start|stop|restart
[00:03] <duvnell1> ..umm.. start a service at boot
[00:03] <giovani> you can do it manually
[00:03] <giovani> or using the tools provided
[00:03] <duvnell1> the tool name is my questio
[00:03] <duvnell1> what tool do I use to arrange for a service to start at boot?
[00:04] <pmatulis> duvnell1: red hat's chkconfig is being imported into ubuntu.  i believe it started with 8.10.  it doesn't do a great job right now (not very intelligent) but you may want to check it out
[00:04] <giovani> update-rc.d works fine
[00:06] <duvnell1> so update-rc.d is creating the symlinks for me.. that's cool
[00:06] <giovani> duvnell1: yeah, it's a standard SysV tool, not ubuntu-specific
[00:06] <duvnell1> is upstart still being used on server edition ?
[00:06] <giovani> yes
[00:06] <duvnell1> and upstart is following the rc dirs ?
[00:07] <giovani> yes, upstart is supporting the legacy rcX.d style setup
[00:07] <giovani> I don't believe upstart has a fully working replacement yet
[00:14] <ScottK> giovani: It does, but there's no compelling case to rework packages to use it.  It's used some, but generally only in Ubuntu specific stuff.
[00:14] <duvnell> ok.. this server is flaky..
[00:14] <duvnell> my server
[00:14] <giovani> duvnell: be more specific than "server is flaky" please
[00:14] <duvnell> last thing I said was "what is non-legacy for upstart"
[00:14] <duvnell> did you get that and answer it?
[00:15] <giovani> no, I didn't get that
[00:15] <giovani> your internet is probably having issues
[00:15] <duvnell> by flaky, I mean I've got it acting as a router doing NAT.. and it's fine until no body does anything and it kinda dies.. went and looked and dhcpd was no longer running.. I think my machine attempted to lease again and that's what killed it
[00:15] <duvnell> no it's not
[00:15] <duvnell> from the server I can do things fine
[00:16] <giovani> duvnell: the bottom-line re: upstart is ... we're still using the legacy rcX.d files
[00:16] <ScottK> duvnell: For Upstart, lots of stuff from http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[00:16] <duvnell> cool.. good to know
[00:16] <giovani> but upstart can be used in the more-upstarty way if you'd like
[00:16] <giovani> check out /etc/event.d/
[00:17] <duvnell> dhcpd server is dying at boot (it does start in /var/log/messages), but then it's not running after boot is done.. and now apparently it's dying just on occasion.. restarting manually fixes it (for a time)
[00:17] <duvnell> I was gonna see if I can get some debug logging out of it
[00:18] <giovani> which dhcpd are you running?
[00:18] <giovani> I'd recommend dnsmasq for any small setup
[00:18] <duvnell> dhcpd3
[00:19] <giovani> I'd recommend dnsmasq
[00:21] <duvnell> am I still here?
[00:21] <a|wen> duvnell: looks like it
[00:22] <duvnell> dang.. happened again
[00:22] <duvnell> increasing lease time.. the example had 600 seconds.. I think that was the problem
[00:22] <duvnell> and it would be dead after 600
[00:22] <duvnell> afk.. got 2 eat
[00:38] <duvnell> back
[00:39] <duvnell> dhcpd still alive
[00:39] <duvnell> surprised.. well of course nothing's been requesting anything.. lemme force that
[01:14] <mac9416> Hi ya'll! While installing 8.10 server edition, I get to "Installing additional components" and about 24% of the way in the screen goes to fitfluuy blinking black/white and after about 10min I get a whole column of "Failed" down the left side of the screen.
[01:25] <mac9416> Hehe, there's a bit of a draft in here.
[01:25] <mac9416> I hope mdelaur closed the door behind him.
[01:26] <mikegriffin> mac9416: checked another console? usually dmesg and logs end up there
[01:26] <mac9416> OK, I'll do that...
[01:31] <mac9416> Well, the "failed" messages were coming on so fast that I could only get a fleeting glimpse of the messages, but one of them said something about running out of memory.
[01:31] <mac9416> I'm not even sure how much ram is in the machine.
[01:32] <mac9416> I think there is a lowmem option in the installer?
[01:35] <android60> I just built a lightweight machine for a NAS but when I go to install ubuntu server from the cd menu, I just keep seeing errors like this http://pastebin.com/m7c9abf9a
[01:37] <duvnell> okay, so my problem is that eth0 is not configured at the time that dhcpd starts..
[01:38] <duvnell> so it's a startup issue.. I'm finding ubuntu-server not as friendly as the desktop.. just a perception at the moment.. so If I want dhcpd to start later than it is starting, how do I do that>
[01:38] <duvnell> ?
[01:39] <duvnell> I found this out by noticing dhcpd's error in syslog and then logging ifconfig -a during boot. .which showed no IP on eth0 and it caused dhcpd to not start
[01:39] <duvnell> I ran chkconfig and it completely rewrote the rc.d directories
[01:39] <duvnell> wasn't too happy about that, but I figure there's either a fix to reorder it back or I can just work with chkconfig
[01:40] <mac9416> android60, I'm a n00b, but that looks like a hard drive error. IDK what to do about it...
[01:40] <duvnell> maybe I should be running ubuntu desktop on this machine :)
[01:40] <duvnell> er.. that machine
[01:42] <mac9416> Well, devnull, have you tried starting the daemon by hand?
[01:43] <android60> mac9416: ive tried 4 hard drives and all same error, im trying a diff cd drive right now
[01:43] <android60> its a new mobo so im wondering if the ide connection is bad on it
[01:43] <android60> ya same error w.e hard drive connceted and diff disk drive
[01:44] <duvnell> mac9416: yeah.. I'm continuing a convo from earlier on here
[01:44] <duvnell> yes it works manually
[01:44] <android60> w.o** without
[01:44] <duvnell> I changed the init script to start after NetworkManager
[01:44] <duvnell> but I'm guessing whether I should even use that tool on server
[01:44] <mikegriffin> i would not use dhcp on a server
[01:44] <duvnell> and it doesn't fix it
[01:44] <ScottK> Generally you don't use NetworkManager on a server
[01:44] <mac9416> android60, are you sure the cable is good?
[01:45] <mikegriffin> unless i had a really impressive config
[01:45] <duvnell> what does NetworkManager do anyway
[01:45] <mikegriffin> configure wireless and dhcp generally
[01:45] <mikegriffin> automagically
[01:45] <duvnell> so I am running dhcp client here also
[01:45] <duvnell> for the cable modem
[01:45] <duvnell> would that cease to work if I removed that service?
[01:46] <android60> mac9416: yup, tried a known working cable to
[01:46] <duvnell> does starting networking in general run dhclient?
[01:46] <mikegriffin> /etc/network/interfaces controls that
[01:46] <mac9416> androin60, Hmmm. It looks like a drive issue, but hav you checked the disk's integrity?
[01:47] <mikegriffin> duvnell: to be fair, networkmanager requires X, which I would also not put on a server
[01:47] <duvnell> ok.. so I'm gonna guess I should remove NetworkManager and just use the /etc/init.d/networking script instead? cause I don't see it in rc.3 or 5
[01:49] <duvnell> arg.. chkconfig -e.. changing networking to "on" and it's refusing to change.. chkconfig -e again shows it back to 0S
[01:49] <duvnell> is that an "automatic"?
[01:50] <android60> mac9416: yup and tried an unopen lts 8.04 server disk to
[01:53] <mac9416> android60, I'm Googling your error message. I admit, it's got me stumped...
[01:54] <android60> ya ive been at it all day
[01:54] <android60> im thinking its the ide connector on the motherboard
[01:54] <giovani> duvnell: NetworkManager shouldn't be on your server -- your network settings should be configured in /etc/network/interfaces, which is read by /etc/init.d/networking
[01:54] <mac9416> androin60, Under waranty? :-(
[01:54] <android60> mac9416: brand new motherboard, got it yesterday
[01:55] <mac9416> android60, Well, I'd send it back. I mean, you seem to have given it enough chance to prove itself innocent...
[01:56] <android60> ya
[01:56] <android60> :/
[01:56] <android60>  i just returned a different brand board that the bios wouldnt even recognize 2 of the sata ports
[01:56] <mac9416> Look at this maybe? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/ahci-dvd-drives-542784/
[01:56] <mac9416> That's bad.
[01:59] <sam_> does lighttpd support .htaccess
[01:59] <sam_> ?
[02:00] <mac9416> android60, what brand MB is it?
[02:01] <giovani> sam_: no
[02:01] <giovani> sam_: all configuration is done inside lighttpd.conf (or other confs you include in there)
[02:02] <android60> mac9416: biostar
[02:02] <mac9416> android60, from Newegg?
[02:02] <android60> ya
[02:02] <sam_> giovani:ok thanks
[02:02] <android60> a760g m2+
[02:03] <android60> ya
[02:03] <android60> from newegg
[02:03] <mac9416> Well, if there's no reson to do otherwise, I'd go Gigabyte. One time I had to acll their tech support (due to my own ignorance) and the guy that answered my question sounded as if he had built the board himself. :-D
[02:04] <giovani> sam_: by the way, lighttpd has its own irc channel on freenode; #lighttpd
[02:04] <sam_> ok
[02:04] <android60> ha ya
[02:04] <android60> thats what i get for trying to save some money
[02:04] <mac9416> Well, when you're trying to go for a low price machine...
[02:05] <android60> ya
[02:05] <mac9416> I mean they built it to work didn't they, so it should.
[02:05] <android60> exactly
[02:05] <mac9416> But, anyway, at least you can get your money back.
[02:12] <mac9416> duvnell. Clever nickname.
[02:26] <duvnell> so, if there's not a supported GUI tool that writes out the /etc/network/interfaces file, is there a CLI tool that I should be using.. or should I be trying to create everything by hand?
[02:30] <ScottK> Generally the installer writes a good one for you and they aren't very hard to edit by hand.
[02:35] <giovani> duvnell: by hand ... it's what everyone does
[02:35] <mac9416> Everyone's doing it :-D
[02:35] <mac9416> All the cool guys.
[02:35] <PhotoJim> Even the uncool guys.
[02:35] <PhotoJim> Except for Blake.
[02:35] <PhotoJim> He doesn't use networking.
[02:36] <mac9416> Haha
[02:48] <genii> Hm. Is there some different set of preseed values for Xubuntu vs Ubuntu preseeds? I used one which worked there and just changed all "ubuntu-desktop" and so on to "xubuntu-desktop" but after automated PXE install no gui
[02:56]  * genii makes more coffee
[02:58] <genii> Maybe it's some gdm package name thing. Is it named differently for xfce?
[03:21] <jmarsden> genii: xdm ?
[03:22] <genii> jmarsden: I'm dumping an installed package list now off a good box and gonna do a compare
[03:22] <genii> I can  startx so it must be window manager
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[03:58] <wizardslovak> hello people
[03:58] <wizardslovak> i am new to ubuntu server
[03:58] <wizardslovak> i want to put web site on server with couple pictures
[03:59] <wizardslovak> should i put everything into /var/www
[03:59] <giovani> wizardslovak: that's the default location for web files, yes
[03:59] <wizardslovak> ok so if i want to make new location then i will have to change location in apache right?
[04:00] <giovani> yes
[04:00] <mikegriffin> wizardslovak: or use the default
[04:00] <giovani> except that he said he wanted to use a different location
[04:00] <giovani> if you want to use a different location, apache's config will have to be changed to reflect that
[04:01] <wizardslovak> where is apache config located?
[04:02] <genii> Or do userdirs or something
[04:02] <giovani> wizardslovak: /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[04:02] <jmarsden> wizardslovak: /etc/apache2/*   # But it will be easier by far to use the default as it is if you are not already familiar with configuring apache.
[04:02] <giovani> please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/httpd.html
[04:04] <jmarsden> Hmmm, someone should probably update the /topic to point to that guide not the older one in its tinyurl, I think.
[04:05] <giovani> jmarsden: well the topic refers to 8.04, so I don't think it's there by mistake
[04:05] <giovani> if it was refering to 8.10, I'd agree
[04:05] <giovani> but they're clearly wanting to stick to LTS
[04:09] <wizardslovak> well i am browsing apache2.conf and i dont see nowhere directory
[04:10] <wizardslovak> "/var/www
[04:12] <jmarsden> wizardslovak: That's why I said it is easier to stick with the defaults unless you are already familiar with configuring Apache... and why i said /etc/apache2/* ... try looking in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default if you really want to see that.
[04:14] <giovani> yeah, jmarsden is right ... just don't forget the 000 -- /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default
[04:15] <jmarsden> giovani: No, that is a symlink to the file I mentioned earlier :)
[04:16] <giovani> point taken :)
[04:24] <duvnell1> anyone a postfix wiz?  I would like to reject any email except to an allowed list of names on my server
[04:26] <mikegriffin> duvnell1: that is a pretty normal goal
[04:27] <duvnell1> currently I'm getting spam on common users like root, avahi, etc
[04:27] <duvnell1> would just like to reject
[04:35] <mikegriffin> i would not reject mail to root but you might take a look in /etc/aliases
[04:35] <mikegriffin> duvnell1: keep things like root, postmaster abuse etc
[04:36] <duvnell1> well, root is fine from the inside.. but it's the outside I'd like to reject it from
[04:36] <mikegriffin> #postfix
[04:36] <duvnell1> goood idea :)
[04:37] <mikegriffin> i would not ever reject mail to root
[04:37] <duvnell1> reason?
[04:37] <duvnell1> this is just my home server
[04:38] <mikegriffin> i think its rfc to accept it but i may be wrong and its only best practice
[04:38] <duvnell1> of course processes tend to email root.. and so like I say, that's fine from the inside
[04:39] <duvnell1> I know we're not supposed to talk about GUIs in this channel.. but do you know of a GUI tool for configuring postfix, or should I just continue with vi..
[04:39] <duvnell1> ?
[04:40] <pmatulis> duvnell1: who made this rule about not talking about a gui?
[04:41] <duvnell1> giovani did :)
[04:42] <pmatulis> duvnell1: as long as the discussion pertains to ubuntu server it should be ok
[04:43] <duvnell1> pmatulis: does ubuntu server make available a GUI for editing postfix config
[04:43] <duvnell1> that you know of
[04:43] <pmatulis> duvnell1: more often than not, however, such discussions become less and less about the server and more about the tool.
[04:44] <mikegriffin> duvnell1: often times, using a gui will make very complicated changes to solve a small problem, introducing complexity
[04:45] <pmatulis> duvnell1: no such tool is shipped in the base system
[04:46] <pmatulis> duvnell1: there was discussion about integrating ebox or puppet but this has not happened
[04:47] <pmatulis> duvnell1: many people use webmin but i do not recommend it.  as i do not recommend any such tool
[04:47] <pmatulis> duvnell1: what i do recommend is learning how a mail server works
[04:50] <duvnell1> k thx... editing text is oka
[04:50] <duvnell1> GUI just lays out your options more easily some times
[04:52] <pmatulis> duvnell1: they're dangerous and they don't teach you anything.  you still have to know what you're doing
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[08:13] <quizme> is it better to run 8.10 on or 9.04 on a server?
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[08:29] <bulllp> Hi, my debian server can't boot after loading the lilo. It stops on the screen "loading lilo ............."
[08:29] <bulllp> nothing continue
[08:29] <bulllp> so what's the problem
[08:30] <bulllp> no, it's "loading linux ..............."
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[09:27] <TeLLuS> bulllp: I guess you have to select or add a boot option to see what error you get. And later maybe start from cd if it can't be fixed with a option or selection with lilo
[09:35] <corsair__> hey, what flag do i need to get make-kpkg to build a kernel headers deb?
[09:36] <Ramblurr> i've upgraded to 9.04 and i'm having issues with the klogd service
[09:37] <Ramblurr> it hangs when starting: "* Starting kernel log daemon..."
[09:38] <TeLLuS> Ramblurr: start it from commandline and watch where it hangs with strace or something..
[09:43] <Ramblurr> http://rafb.net/p/nWkhXP12.html
[09:44] <Ramblurr> hum
[09:51] <TeLLuS> Ramblurr: Problem with the pid file?
[11:41] <super_hacker> hi to all
[11:43] <super_hacker> I have one problem with Postfix Mail Server
[12:00] <Bananaman> so people, any assistance about the Postfix :S
[12:17] <Bananaman> :S
[12:30] <Padhu> Any simple backup tool for backup files whenever USB drive is instered?
[12:30] <Padhu> inserted
[12:32] <twb> Padhu: udev and rsync.
[12:33] <twb> You write a udev rule that reacts to the insertion of that particular USB drive by running mount and rsync commands.
[14:03] <uvirtbot> New bug: #371218 in dhcp3 (main) "No DNS servers whith dsl-connection using pppoe" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371218
[14:09] <acron17> hi there. after upgrading mysql to 5.1 (in jaunty) the readline abilites (eg Ctrl-r to search) stopped working in the mysql client
[14:10] <acron17> any hints whats going wrong there? can someone verify that issue on his system?
[14:28] <twb> acron17: that sounds like someone decided libreadline couldn't legally be linked against mysql.
[14:29] <twb> But that's just a guess; try looking at the changelog.Debian.gz in /usr/share/doc
[14:32] <thirsteh> Do not question the Oracle
[14:33] <TeLLuS> Is that not DO question the Oracle now..
[14:36] <acron17> twb: thanks for your answer.
[14:36] <acron17> twb: you may be just right. from the changelog:
[14:36] <acron17> Replaced --without-readline to --with-libedit to configure options, as --without-readline doesn't seem to do the right thing anymore.
[14:38] <acron17> twb: how about libedit? doesn't it support features from readline Ctrl-r for example?
[14:38] <thirsteh> TeLLuS: Nobody questions the Oracle and lives to tell of it
[14:42] <twb> You would need to ask #OpenBSD about that, I guess
[14:42] <twb> I link to libedit, too, but I know nothing about it :-)
[14:43] <twb> I assume you understand what I meant by readline (GPL) being incompatible with non-infective stuff.
[14:44] <twb> acron17: oh, btw, see also rlwrap, which gives you generic readline support on an arbitrary CLI
[14:53] <acron17> twb: yeah i heard about readline being not compatible with GPL...
[14:54] <twb> No no, readline *is* GPL
[14:54] <twb> But if you want to use it, you have to make your thing GPL, too.
[14:54] <acron17> twb: ah ok
[14:54] <twb> This is different from *L*GPL, which can be used with proprietary software.
[14:54] <acron17> twb: ok. i got the point
[14:55] <twb> And I assume that mysql is licensed under the LGPL.
[14:58] <acron17> twb: so all in all there is nothing to fix this issue apart from rewritting a mysql client with GPL license or readline with LGPL?
[14:59] <twb> Basically, the readline authors have *deliberately* arranged things so that if you want to use their package, you have to make your software as free as their software.
[14:59] <twb> They did this because at the time (and arguably, still) there is nothing as good as libreadline.
[15:00] <twb> Now, you could build your own mysql packages that use readline instead of editline, but you would not be allowed to distribute them.  That's why Debian's binaries use editline.
[15:00] <twb> Sorry, s/Debian/Ubuntu/
[15:12] <acron17> twb: thanks for these informations...
[15:13] <twb> No problem.
[16:06] <benc> is there a way to automate a server installation? For example, apache + vhosts, postgresql + db user...?
[16:06] <uvirtbot> New bug: #371269 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "mysql server 5.0 crashes on installation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371269
[16:15] <giovani> benc: sure, a script
[16:33] <benc> giovani: do I put complete config files in the script?
[16:35] <foxbuntu> benc, its kind of up to you how to script it...thats the beauty of scripts
[16:36] <foxbuntu> benc, you can have the script edit confs or create them, copy them in from elsewhere
[16:36] <benc> foxbuntu: ok .thanks
[16:40] <uvirtbot> New bug: #364811 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 "5.0.51a-3ubuntu5.1 installation failed (dup-of: 291987)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/364811
[18:16] <mpathy> Hey, there is a package in the repositories with not one line of documentation..
[18:26] <mpathy>  libapache2-redirtoservname
[18:27] <mpathy> got to look at the sourcecode to find one line of information: RedirectToServerName must be either \"On\" or \"Off\"."
[18:28] <mpathy> Thats the ONLY ONE information in the whole internet..?
[18:32] <giovani> mpathy: I'm unclear ... what's the problem?
[18:40] <dangerseeker> Hi! I have got a question about the integration of samba.
[18:43] <dangerseeker> Samba and Linux keep seperate passwods, but when I set my password in Linux and never set up Samba passwords, Samba seems to know the passwords... can this be?
[19:00] <giovani> dangerseeker: I don't know specifically -- but I remember there being a sync tool for keeping those files the same
[19:03] <dangerseeker> giovani: it did surprise me. that's because I ask. And glancing over the documentation and ubuntu wiki I did not found anything yet.
[19:09] <dangerseeker> I just added a Linux user, logged him in via ssh and *bam* there he is in the samba user database (/etc/smbpasswd)... but WHY?
[19:09]  * andol suspects PAM
[19:09] <andol> dangerseeker: What version of Ubuntu are you running?
[19:11] <dangerseeker> andol: PAM seems to be a good place to look. I am running 8.04.1
[19:16] <andol> dangerseeker: Well, taking a quick peak I'm pretty sure you'll find the culprint in /etc/pam.d/common-auth and the way it calls pam_smbpass.so.
[19:17] <andol> dangerseeker: Of course, I'm mostly making an educated guess right now. Don't have time to look up the specific details right now.
[19:18] <dangerseeker> andol: many thanks! Now I have a sensible starting point for further research.
[19:21] <tsrk> Have any of you done the 8.10 -> 9.04 upgrade on a server? If so, how did it go? Any problems?
[19:40] <Hecate> tsrk, did it on two servers. no trouble at all.
[19:41] <Hecate> anyhow, a backup might be quite useful, as shit always happens, when you're not prepared for it.
[19:43] <tsrk> yeah, i always have a backup
[19:43] <tsrk> just making sure there isn't any shit that's gonna happen for sure :)
[19:46] <Hecate> at least nothing i ran into.
[19:46] <tsrk> that's good to hear
[19:46] <tsrk> is it ok to keep my server online while it upgrades?
[19:49] <thirsteh> tsrk: yes, this is Linux :-)
[19:49] <thirsteh> although MySQL and Apache might stop and then ask you some questions during the upgrade
[19:50] <tdn> How do I set up Ubuntu so that security updates are installed automatically?
[19:50] <tsrk> thirsteh, when I installed mysql it had a blank root password for a little while didn't it?
[19:50] <tsrk> I'm worried about something like that
[19:50] <tsrk> tdn, server?
[19:50] <tdn> tsrk, yes.
[19:50] <tsrk> not sure then, sorry. I just selected that option when I installed.
[19:53] <thirsteh> tsrk: not when you upgrade
[19:53] <tsrk> Ok, that's good
[19:54] <Hecate> the upgrade won't mess with you mysql users/databases, so there shouldnt't be any security leaks during the installation.
[19:54] <Hecate> you might wanna shut down the apache mysql, etc daemons though, just to be sure.
[19:54] <Hecate> since you'll need to restart the box anyway, this will only increase the downtime, but not cause it in the first place.
[19:54] <thirsteh> the biggest 'danger' is if you have Apache listening on ports other than 80. You'll have to create duplicate port entries in /etc/apache2/ports.conf after the upgrade, and then restart it
[19:55] <tsrk> i don't, it shouldn't be a problem
[19:55] <tsrk> i could just block incoming connections before the upgrade on my router
[19:56] <tsrk> anyone know what the changes in /etc/mysql/my.cnf are?
[19:56] <Hecate> can't tell
[19:57] <Hecate> in case you made any changes ot the file, you'll be asked what to do during the upgrade.
[19:57] <Hecate> (it will also show a diff if you ask for it)
[19:58] <tsrk> yeah i just got that message
[19:58] <tsrk> i think the only thing i changed was listen on other than local
[20:35] <exeoeoe> http://3x3cut10n3r.mybrute.com/ <-- have fun & good luck
[20:36] <igor47> my system failed to create /var/run/utmp on startup - what rc script is supposed to do that?
[20:37] <igor47> is there a script which changes /var/run permissions also?
[20:47] <igor47> ah found it it was bootmisc
[23:06] <uvirtbot> New bug: #333504 in php5 (main) "php5 crashed with SIGSEGV in _Unwind_ForcedUnwind()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/333504
[23:06] <uvirtbot> New bug: #352648 in php5 (main) "php5 crashed with SIGSEGV in _Unwind_ForcedUnwind()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/352648
[23:12] <uvirtbot> New bug: #324313 in php5 (main) "php5 crached" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/324313
[23:16] <uvirtbot> New bug: #350183 in samba4 (universe) "evolution crashed with SIGSEGV in krb5_cc_destroy()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/350183
[23:21] <uvirtbot> New bug: #357047 in php5 (main) "php5 crashes without doing anything" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/357047
[23:21] <uvirtbot> New bug: #362720 in samba (main) "gvfsd-smb crashed with SIGSEGV in llistxattr@plt()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/362720
[23:21] <uvirtbot> New bug: #363270 in php5 (main) "php5 crashed with SIGSEGV in clone()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/363270
[23:38] <ajmitch> that's a lot of old php bugs to suddenly come up as 'new'
[23:38] <pace_t_zulu> a lot of dupes
[23:41] <pace_t_zulu> ajmitch: are they dupes?
[23:41] <ajmitch> a number of them could be, though it's hard to say at a glance
[23:41]  * ajmitch bets a number of them could be due to bug 343870
[23:41] <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 343870 in php5 "php-cli segmentation fault with mysql extension" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/343870
[23:42] <ajmitch> which is more of a threading bug with mysql libraries
[23:51] <uvirtbot> New bug: #368189 in bind9 (main) "host crashed with signal 7 in dns_lib_initmsgcat()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/368189