[00:02] <R1cochet> i think so
[00:02] <R1cochet> look into this: mediainfo-gui_0.7.14-1
[00:07] <pteague> ah, there we go... `file` was what i was looking for... geeze, is that easy or what? <.<  time to go find my duh hat
[00:09] <pteague> although that wasn't the news i was hoping for...  mpeg adts, layer 2, v1...
[00:51] <R1cochet> any1 use panda av for linux?
[00:56] <SiDi> no
[00:56] <SiDi> we use mice, here
[00:57] <knome> R1cochet, maybe check the forums or #ubuntu as it's so quiet here.
[01:11] <lukinfore> hm, is there .desktop file for mplayer somewhere in repos?
[01:11] <lukinfore> I mean mplayer, not _g_mplayer
[01:16] <sober_> hi everyone
[01:17] <sober_> running xubuntu 9.04 here and having a problem it seems that my resolution setting is not being saved after a restart
[01:17] <sober_> any help would be appreciated
[01:52] <R1cochet> is there a different program i can use to enable multiple desktops beside using nvidias X server settings manager?
[03:16] <CuriosTiger> Hi all. Xubuntu lets me set my resolution to 1920x1200 just fine, but when I log out it reverts to 800x600 -- both in gde and when I log back into my xfce session. Any idea how I can remedy this?
[03:17] <CuriosTiger> This is on a fresh install of Xubuntu 9.04, but it's running in a vmware virtual machine if that matters.
[03:29] <keb> CuriosTiger did you try saving the session ?
[03:29] <keb> Applications, Settings, Session and Startup, Session
[03:34] <CuriosTiger> keb: Yes. No effect.
[03:34] <CuriosTiger> :(
[03:36] <keb> so when you go to Settings, Display   it gives you the 1920x1200 option but it is not the default?
[03:40] <CuriosTiger> keb: Yeah
[03:44] <keb> what do you see in ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml
[03:49] <CuriosTiger> one sec
[03:50] <CuriosTiger> 1920x1200
[03:51] <CuriosTiger> which should be correct
[03:51] <CuriosTiger> wtf :(
[03:51] <CuriosTiger> let me try logging out and back in and see if that changes
[03:51] <keb> is that your current resolution or the defailt
[03:51] <keb> yeah go for it
[03:52] <CuriosTiger> that's Default
[03:52] <CuriosTiger> hrm
[03:52] <CuriosTiger> the screen does not attempt to change resolutions when I log in, only when I log out
[03:52] <CuriosTiger> so it seems like it's ignoring XFCE's config and inheriting the resolution from gdm
[04:00] <keb> did you see this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=463121
[04:02] <CuriosTiger> nope. looks
[04:04] <keb> also, did you try ctrl-alt-+ or ctrl-alt-- (on keypad)
[04:04] <CuriosTiger> yeah, that just makes the screen flash, but no resolution change
[04:05] <keb> CuriosTiger do you have 9.04 ?
[04:08] <keb> CuriosTiger this doesnt look hopeful :( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1139236
[04:10] <keb> CuriosTiger possibly related  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/368602
[04:11] <Josep23912> hi, I'bve been having some issues with sound in xubuntu 9.04, i had installed ubuntu from the dvd (without a desktop environment in vmware) and for some reason when i load xfce4-mixer it thinks i dont have some gstreamer packages installled even though they are
[04:11] <Josep23912> i got sound working properly when i did a ubuntu-desktop install (on another vmware image)
[04:11] <Josep23912> maybe its because i chose the linux-image-virtual kernel this time?
[04:11] <Josep23912> vmware tools is installed btw
[04:13] <Josep23912> i can't seem to see any /dev/dsp
[04:13] <Josep23912> device
[04:38] <vidd> is there any way to get the volume applet fo=rom feisty back?
[04:38] <vidd> this mixer applet has no slider bar
[04:45] <CuriosTiger> keb: Yes, this is 9.04
[04:47] <keb> CuriosTiger as far as i can tell it is a bug and you could report your symptoms and hardware next to the other reports in those links
[04:47] <meatcar> vidd, scroll wheel on the volume app.
[04:47] <CuriosTiger> keb: Yeah, I might do that tomorrow
[04:47] <CuriosTiger> tonight, I'm too tired to go read their bug reporting guidelines :P
[04:47] <keb> hehe
[04:48] <vidd> meatcar, no dice....the wheel wont get the volume above 90% =\
[04:51] <meatcar> try to dl the tar for the volume app from intrepid. then compile it.... :S
[04:51] <meatcar> youre lucky that intrepid is still supported. just get the .deb actually. should work...
[04:52] <vidd> looking for it now....'
[04:52] <keb> lol i was still getting updates for gutsy til yesterday
[04:53] <vidd> heh....breezey was still in the archives last time i looked (well over a year ago)
[04:54] <meatcar> kernel support, etc....
[04:55] <vidd> dont understand why they would wipe out BASIC functionality!
[04:56] <meatcar> heh. i'm pretty dissapointed with the xfce crew for this release. The menu editor is gone, this is. I think they took a wrong turn when you stopped being able to make launchers easily configured menus.
[04:57] <vidd> im seriously considering releasing "vidd-ubunu"!
[04:57] <meatcar> heh
[04:57] <vidd> =]
[04:57] <meatcar> vidd window manager? please...
[04:57] <meatcar> lol
[04:58] <vidd> no...just the "vidd" mnager =\
[04:58] <vidd> i like the lxde built on slim personally
[04:59] <vidd> for my relics
[05:00] <vidd> the problem with that is, withthis install recommends forced down one's throat, lxde pulls in gdm...and with that, half the rest of ubuntus bloat
[05:00] <keb> vidd did you try Applications -> Multimedia -> Mixer
[05:00] <arktvrvs> is xv not in 8.10?
[05:00] <arktvrvs> the screenshot program
[05:01] <vidd> arktvrvs, should be....its a panel app
[05:01] <vidd> at least, there is a very lite panel app for screenshots'
[05:01] <arktvrvs> yea i see that now
[05:02] <arktvrvs> im just so used to xv being on every distro of every;thing ive used :P thanks tho, i got it now
[05:02] <vidd> keb, that path is the same thing i get when i click on the icon
[05:02] <vidd> arktvrvs, np...happy to help =]
[05:02] <keb> vidd that app has a Select Controls button where you can add sliders
[05:02] <meatcar> is it possible to chose which folder is used ofr desktop in XFCE?
[05:03] <vidd> keb, adding the sliders dont make them work correctly =\
[05:03] <vidd> meatcar, what do you mean?
[05:03] <keb> vidd they work for me.  did you select the right device driver?
[05:04] <vidd> Desktop is always the folder for your desktop....no matter what window manager you use
[05:04] <vidd> keb, the scroll thing (sorta) works....just wont go higher then 90%
[05:05] <keb> vidd you can also install aumix which is a curses based mixer
[05:06] <vidd> keb, aumix is already installed (i assume by default...but its hard to say what post-install app may have drug it in)
[05:06] <meatcar> vidd, in gnome i can choose to use the home folder as my desktop. or a folder of my choice. that eliminates the need to have an extra folder, etc.
[05:06] <vidd> its terminal-based
[05:07] <keb> yeah
[05:07] <vidd> keb, that does not help my issue....
[05:07] <keb> it doesnt let you push volume up to 100%?
[05:08] <vidd> if im scrolling a firefox window, and the mouse slips, my sound gets messed up and i have to openan app to fix it, rather then simply raise a slider bar with my mouse....or use the volume contral keys on my keyboard
[05:09] <vidd> keb, mixer does....but the panel app does not
[05:09] <keb> oic
[05:09] <vidd> also, with the old volume control app....laptop and keyboard keys auto-worked
[05:09] <vidd> that is toast now
[05:10] <vidd> and the volume control app made these work all the way back in breezey
[05:11] <vidd> like i said....basic functionality....gone
[05:11] <keb> well im not sure that xubuntu needs to work to the same schedule as ubuntu, maybe it should aim for 2 months behind to ensure stuff works
[05:12] <vidd> keb, that is preposterous
[05:12] <keb> given that it isnt a canonical supported distro
[05:13] <vidd> there is no reason this could not have been identified in the alotted time
[05:13] <keb> it probly could if you were one of the testers :D
[05:14] <vidd> ive been super-busy the last two release cycles
[05:14] <keb> me too
[05:14] <meatcar> i agree with vibb here. I think that there is no reason to try and do anything revolutionary with the volume app. people just want to adjust their sound. not experience a new way of user interface.
[05:15] <vidd> and they really aggitated me by cow-toing to the "cram install-recommends down the users throat" phylosophy ubuntu-proper took
[05:16] <vidd> even though they saw the annoyance debian had with it
[05:16] <meatcar> also, its not very friendly for touch input, etc. some mice dont have the scroll feature ( old laptops ), toward which i fell xfce is geared.
[05:16] <meatcar> thats why i'm installing arch as we speak..
[05:16] <meatcar> :D
[05:16] <meatcar> just to try.
[05:17] <vidd> arch is al ittle too "get down and dirty" isnt it?
[05:17] <vidd> does it use apt?
[05:17] <meatcar> i dunno. i'll see
[05:17] <meatcar> no
[05:17] <meatcar> try mint then.
[05:18] <meatcar> i dunno. considered how splintered the linux community is with distro's i doubt theres nothing u'd like.
[05:18] <vidd> im thinking do a cli install, force install-recommends off, and build up from there
[05:19] <meatcar> whats cli?
[05:19] <vidd> cli = command line interface
[05:19] <vidd> basicly,just the terminal
[05:20] <vidd> all my servers are very well behaved on *buntu =]
[05:21] <meatcar> so, you mean getting ubuntu  server edition, and going from there?
[05:21] <vidd> nonono....
[05:21] <vidd> definantly NOT the server edition!
[05:21] <meatcar> oh?
[05:22] <vidd> any alt-install disk gives a cli-only option
[05:22] <meatcar> oh. so alt-install xubuntu?
[05:23] <vidd> the *-server kernels do weird things to my systems =\
[05:23] <vidd> yes
[05:24] <meatcar> ah. sorry. i never really stepped outside the circle of pre-confiured systems before. lol.
[05:24] <genii> For a DIY linux, there's always the educational Linux From Scratch method
[05:24] <vidd> you MIGHT be able to do a cli with the live cd...but i have not used the live cd for anything but system recovery
[05:25] <vidd> genii, DIY?
[05:25] <vidd> it=s that a distro?
[05:26] <genii> "Do It Yourself" . No, it's not a distro
[05:26]  * vidd hates this keyboard!
[05:27] <genii> vidd: There is a site which guides you through making your own linux. Tedious but very educational. http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
[05:27] <vidd> genii, ive done a "build-your-own" with *buntu's cli install as the base
[05:27] <vidd> but i will definantly check out that site
[05:28] <vidd> but TBH...im kinda outside my comfort zone with CFS
[05:28] <vidd> (CFS = Compiled From Source)
[05:29] <genii> :)
[05:29] <vidd> heh...RPM's scare me =]
[05:30] <vidd> (in the army, RPM means "Rounds Per Minute!)
[05:32] <genii> In *buntu it generally means Retarded Package Manager. In Redhat of course the R stands for Redhat
[05:35]  * vidd knows what the letters mean.....
[05:36] <vidd> dont change the fear factor much =]
[05:48] <zoredache> vidd: from the livecd, you could manually partition, then install and use the debbootstrap package to perform an minimal install.  Network access would be required
[05:49] <genii> This is also a good method
[05:49] <vidd> zoredache, i will keep that in mind....
[05:50] <vidd> but the 10 mb mini.iso is my usual install method
[05:50] <zoredache> yeah, mine too
[05:50] <vidd> it sets up networking and the installer....
[05:51] <vidd> then gets everything else from the net
[05:51] <vidd> oh...and i put it on a usb stick
[05:58] <vidd> nite all
[07:48] <solotim> hi, evince users, anyone can tell me how to search the full pages of a pdf document? it seems that evince can only search words in certain part of a full doc
[07:48] <solotim> thanks~
[07:57] <S0210> How do I set my monitor to 1440x990 in 8.04
[07:59] <S0210> I mean 1440x900
[10:32] <Mood> how do i unmount a floppy disk? i'm trying to, but it just never finishes
[10:32] <Mood> i even took the floppy disk out, but the floppy drive still shows some files
[10:33] <Mood> is there a way of forcing unmount of the floppy disk? i think it's mounted in /dev/fd0
[10:33] <Mood> ps aux|grep /dev/sd0 shows "hald-addon-storage: no polling on /dev/fd0 because it is explicitly disabled"
[10:35] <zoredache_> Mood: just unmount it at wait... keep in mind that floppies don't immediatly flush what you have written
[10:35] <zoredache_> so when you unmount it must finish writing anything you changed first... if you try to force the umount you'll lose stuff
[10:36] <Mood> lose stuff on my floppy? or lose stuff somewhere else? *panic*
[10:36] <zoredache> on the floppy
[10:36] <Mood> oh, i don't care about the contents of the floppy... plus, i'm waiting in excess of 3 mins... isn't that long?
[10:37] <Mood> can i do a umount -f /dev/sd0? i don't want to remove that directory forever though, just the data that's mounted on there
[10:37] <zoredache> if you took the disk out while there where still pending changes, your system may be unhappy... you may need to reboot
[10:38] <Mood> hmm... i stuck the disk back in... and now it's been about 5+ mins, no change to the "unmounting device/the device "floppy drive' is being unmounted by the system..."
[10:40] <Mood> i'm tempted to try umount -f /dev/sd0... i'm a little bit paranoid though...
[10:42] <Mood> all right... here goes nothing....
[10:48] <zoredache> Video Format: MP4, MOV, M4V
[10:48] <zoredache> Video Size: up to 640x480
[10:48] <zoredache> Video Framerate: up to 30fps
[10:48] <zoredache> Video Bitrate: up to 1.5Mbps for H.264, or 2.5Mbps for MPEG-4
[10:50] <zoredache> ack...
[10:51] <zoredache> sorry about that, that was meant for another window
[11:19] <Josep23912> hmm, okay, i installed a fresh copy of xubuntu, with vmware tools, now i have a /dev/dsp device
[11:20] <Josep23912> and sound appears to work, be outputted. but it's horribly choppy
[11:20] <Josep23912> and you can't hear anything
[11:20] <Josep23912> anyone got any clue what i can do?, vlc says 'broke pipe' errors.
[11:20] <Josep23912> but it happens in everythng else, like totem etc.
[11:23] <SiDi> huh
[11:24] <SiDi> Honnestly, ask vmware guy's opinion about it
[11:24] <SiDi> my vbox machines just work fine :P
[11:25] <Josep23912> yeah well it should work just fine, it does with ubuntu :S
[11:25] <Josep23912> SiDi: i reinstalled it btw, this time i have a different issue
[11:25] <Josep23912> i must not have had something installed, because i was missing a /dev/dsp device. now i've got one
[11:25] <SiDi> Ubuntu got Pulseaudio
[11:25] <SiDi> It could be a vanilla alsa + vmware problem
[11:25] <Josep23912> and it appears to output choppy audio, im suprised, because ubuntu (with gnome) worked fine
[11:25] <Josep23912> hmm
[11:27] <SiDi> try to install and launch pulseaudio ? :P
[11:27] <Josep23912> yer its not installed ;)
[11:28] <Josep23912> i think this might work
[11:28] <Josep23912> from memory gnome comes with pulse audio
[11:30] <SiDi> it does
[11:30] <Josep23912> yeah and xubuntu doesn't thats maybe why
[11:30] <Josep23912> ;) hopefully
[11:30] <Josep23912> i dont want to use bloaty old gnome lol
[11:32] <SiDi> xD
[11:33] <Josep23912> :D fixed
[11:33] <Josep23912> ZOMG YES
[11:34] <Josep23912> meanwhile ive been testing it with porn
[11:34] <Josep23912> i think ill go away and enjoy
[11:34] <Josep23912> thanks
[11:44] <Lusule> hi there :) any tips on where I can start to try and get opengl working with my intel on-board graphics card?
[11:48] <SiDi> Hiya
[11:48] <SiDi> If you're using 9.04, it'll be hard : some cards still dont have drivers :o
[11:48] <Lusule> SiDi: i am, though i didn't manage to figure it out on 8.10 either
[11:49] <SiDi> Aw
[11:49] <SiDi> Well, try #ubuntu anyways, they'll have more people to answer. I only use nvidia cards here :/
[11:49] <Lusule> i'm used to dealing with nvidia cards, which are easy ><
[11:49] <Lusule> SiDi: thanks, i'm trying ubuntu but i don't think i'm being heard above the spam ><
[11:49] <SiDi> Intel cards are meant to work out of the box :P
[11:50] <Lusule> SiDi: it works fine, so long as I don't want anything fancy like compiz or games
[11:50] <SiDi> Is it an _old_ card ?
[11:50] <Lusule> no
[11:50] <SiDi> cause only X3100/X4500/better cards can support compiz, afair
[11:50] <Lusule> remind me how i see which one it is?
[11:51] <SiDi> lspci | grep -i vga
[11:51] <Lusule> it's GM965/GL960 apparently
[11:51] <Lusule> thanks, that gives me an extra something to plug into a search :)
[11:52] <SiDi> oh, these are very low in terms of performance
[11:52] <Lusule> :(
[11:52] <SiDi> (if my memory doesnt betray me)
[11:52] <Lusule> the laptop is about a year old
[11:53] <Lusule> but it wasn't bought for gaming
[11:54] <SiDi> Well, you should always pick at least an X3100
[11:54] <Lusule> i didn't get to choose it :'(
[11:54] <SiDi> or a geforce 8400/9300 if they're not expensive
[11:54] <Lusule> guess it does the job it's supposed to
[11:54] <SiDi> http://www.mylinuxway.com/compiz-blacklisted-graphic-cards/
[11:54] <Lusule> if i can't have compiz, i'll live
[11:55] <SiDi> http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Hardware/Blacklist *
[11:57] <Lusule> anyway thanks
[11:57] <SiDi> you're welcome
[11:57] <Lusule> i guess i'll get back to work and fiddle some more later :)
[11:57] <SiDi> :p
[11:57] <SiDi> workin on sunday ?
[11:58] <Lusule> studying
[11:58] <Lusule> fiddling with linux is my break-time reward ^^
[11:58] <SiDi> :p
[12:12] <Relam> hi
[12:12] <Relam> i miss xubuntu for my ppc powerbook ;(
[12:13] <SiDi> Install it then :P
[12:15] <Relam> is there a ppc iso?
[12:18] <SiDi> ppc = powerpc/mac right ?
[12:18] <SiDi> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ports/releases/jaunty/release/
[12:18] <SiDi> the link is long to open, but we have powerpc isos there afaik
[13:10] <Relam> ah cool
[13:10] <Relam> i thought ubuntu has dropped ppc support
[13:13] <Relam> freebsd and xfce is cool, but ppc support bad ;D
[13:13] <SiDi> :p
[13:14] <SiDi> feel free to give feedback if you have trouble with the ppc port btw !
[13:14] <SiDi> i dont think it was extensively tested
[13:15] <Relam> ah i see.. yes i will give.
[13:16] <Relam> i tried an alpha build, the only issue seems to be a msb related one
[13:16] <SiDi> msb ? what's that ? :/
[13:16] <Relam> the ubuntu logo was messed up
[13:16] <SiDi> aw
[13:17] <Relam> most significant bit
[13:18] <Relam> i think it it copied directly to frembuffer without using  X
[13:22] <firestorm> hello! i upgraded to  9.04  but xfmedia dies with a segmentation fault on launch. Has anyone else experienced this same problem?
[13:22] <SiDi> firestorm: i dont think xfmedia is maintained anymore
[13:23] <firestorm> can you suggest a good replacement?
[13:23] <SiDi> totem-xine / vlc / mplayer
[13:23] <SiDi> i think the default one is totem
[13:24] <firestorm> ok... however xfmedia was very light
[13:28] <SiDi> The package is broken
[13:28] <SiDi> lets pick the source and check that \o/
[13:30] <firestorm> However no  segmentation fault Running xfmedia as root...
[13:31] <Relam> is it up to date?
[13:31] <SiDi> run it with gksudo then
[13:31] <SiDi> Relam: i checked here, same issue
[13:31] <SiDi> it crashes on a pthread_mutex_lock
[13:32] <SiDi> i'll check that another day :/
[13:32] <firestorm> yes is up to date
[13:32] <Relam> http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5035
[13:33] <Relam> sad
[13:33] <LukaszJ> Hello
[13:33] <firestorm> Cooment 2: "Xfmedia is unmaintained.  Patches welcome."
[13:34] <firestorm> so... i prefer to migrate to totem :-)
[13:35] <LukaszJ> I wonder about the "display composting" setting. Does it enable 3rd acceleration for dekstop use as compiz?
[13:35] <Relam> why not fix it :D
[13:35] <SiDi> LukaszJ: 3rd acceleration ?
[13:35] <SiDi> Relam: between my 6 exams + current apps to finish/maintain + orals + project report to write, Sure :D
[13:36] <LukaszJ> SiDi: Hello. Yes, I mean same funcyion compiz has.
[13:36] <SiDi> LukaszJ: There is no 3D with the compositor. It's only window transparency
[13:36] <LukaszJ> SiDi: Ah, Ok..
[13:38] <Relam> SiDi :-D
[13:39] <LukaszJ> SiDi: Still remember I was trying to figure out how to edit the launchers?
[13:40] <LukaszJ> SiDi: I made it; it was so easy. I had "show minimized windows" on Desktop active, therefore, I couldn't find a laucher.
[13:43] <SiDi> oh
[13:43] <SiDi> lol..
[13:47] <Lusule> how do i restart xfce4 window manager if i accidentally crash it?
[13:48] <firestorm> men i just migrated to Xubuntu: i am listening music, using amule, surfing the web, watching video on youtube, chatting and the memory usage is 350 M!  Best choice i did...
[13:50] <SiDi> Lusule: xfwm4
[13:50] <Lusule> thanks SiDi :)
[13:51] <Lusule> trying to get compiz working but it doesn't like me
[13:51] <SiDi> firestorm: 980 MB here
[13:51] <SiDi> but i got firefox+exaile+evince+inkscape running
[13:52] <firestorm> Sidi i got: Opera, Totem, acroread + amule
[13:52] <firestorm> Opera wast 100 M
[13:53] <SiDi> lol acroread :D
[13:54] <firestorm> :-)
[13:54] <SiDi> firestorm: if you want a very light browser try midori
[13:54] <SiDi> the interface sucks a little but its really light
[13:54] <SiDi> how much ram does amule take ?
[13:55] <firestorm> 25.2 M
[13:55] <SiDi> hah :D
[13:55]  * SiDi hugs his BitTorrent client which 600KO ram usage !
[13:55] <SiDi> with
[13:56] <firestorm> download speed 480 K
[13:56] <firestorm> ...
[13:56] <firestorm> up about 100
[13:57] <SiDi> I don't like eMule
[13:57] <SiDi> the protocol sucks
[13:58] <firestorm> i use amule-adunanza, its a patched version working with Optical fiber
[13:59] <Relam> transmission?
[14:00] <firestorm> 1 M
[15:36] <alyawn> I have upgraded to Xubuntu 9.04 and can't seem to figure out how to configure my network settings... I see the connections in the network admin applet, but don't see an option to manage my network settings in the menus
[15:38] <alyawn> Applications > Settings does not list network
[15:40] <SiDi> alyawn: right click the network manager icon
[15:42] <alyawn> ah ha
[15:42] <alyawn> SiDi: thanks.... wasn't entirely obvious
[15:43] <SiDi> ^^
[15:58] <akademos> how can i change force the x display device to vesa on a livecd?
[16:02] <SiDi> F6 key if i remember well
[16:03] <akademos> hmm yeah its probably on boot
[16:03] <akademos> *slaps* self
[16:03] <SiDi> Don't :p
[16:03] <akademos> cheers
[16:03] <SiDi> it won't help you to run your pc ;)
[16:03] <akademos> how does the ubuntu x11 work anyway, i mean, xorg.conf doesn't contain anything it seems?
[16:04] <SiDi> Oh, i _really_ don't know
[16:04] <akademos> i come from back in the days where that had to be configured first
[16:04] <SiDi> i think it still contains some stuff
[16:04] <akademos> it basically contains nothing afaik
[16:04] <SiDi> but we have a new x.org, so i can't say whats still used
[16:04] <akademos> right, anyway, gonna reboot
[16:04] <akademos> laters
[16:32] <vidd> SiDi, morning
[16:32] <vidd> you see my reply on the mailing list?
[16:43] <SiDi> Oh, not yet
[16:43] <SiDi> but hi :P
[16:44] <SiDi> I use daily digests, sometimes it takes time to arrive :/
[16:44] <vidd> <0/
[16:45] <vidd> well...the jist of it is the .desktop isnt needed because the applet has the launcher in it
[16:45] <SiDi> vidd, i agree with you
[16:46] <SiDi> but for some users right click is not a very natural thing
[16:46] <SiDi> they tend to always look in the menus instead
[16:46] <SiDi> (i discovered it with the menu aswell ;) i used to keep breaking my /etc/network/interfaces :d)
[16:47] <vidd> ya...and mouse-wheeling over volume icon is very counter-intuitive =]
[16:47] <vidd> SiDi, i just yank nm out and replace it with wicd
[16:47] <vidd> now that its in the repos, its super-easy
[16:49] <vidd> \0. meatcar
[16:50] <meatcar> ?
[16:50] <meatcar> hello
[16:50] <meatcar> whatt \o.?
[16:50] <meatcar> \0. *
[16:50] <vidd> \0. is a guy waving
[16:50] <meatcar> oh snap.
[16:51] <SiDi> vidd: i like nm actually :)
[16:51] <SiDi> and for me, scrolling the sound icon isnt counter intuitive at all :D
[16:52] <vidd> SiDi, it would be ok if you could get the volume back up to 100%
[16:52] <vidd> i have 6 machines with different sound cards and none of them can scroll up past 90%
[16:53] <vidd> heh...even if its already @ 100%, you scroll up and it drops to 90%
[16:53] <SiDi> didnt notice D:
[16:53] <SiDi> is there a bug report for that ?
[16:53] <vidd> try it...you'll like it
[16:53] <vidd> =]
[16:53] <meatcar> I wouldnt be surprised.
[16:53] <vidd> dunno....
[16:54] <SiDi> omg i added some "system(notify-send hello)" in my xfce4-mixer's source and recompiled it
[16:54] <SiDi> it works, indeed T_T
[16:54] <vidd> *buntu has messed up so much basic stuff that im jumping ship
[16:54] <meatcar> what ship are you jumping to?
[16:54] <meatcar> Arch :D
[16:54] <SiDi> vidd: try it in another distro before sayin that :O maybe its xfce !
[16:54]  * vidd was introduced to http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
[16:54] <meatcar> then i wouldnt be the only one lost
[16:55] <vidd> no...ALL *buntu's have install-recommeds enabled by default
[16:55] <meatcar> good luck.
[16:55] <meatcar> Arch is not ubuntu....
[16:55] <vidd> that was strike 2
[16:56] <Torkiliuz> Hi! How do I go about enabling the "function-buttons" in Xubuntu?
[16:56]  * meatcar is waiting while pacman updates the system... try it.. http://www.archlinux.org/
[16:56] <vidd> Torkiliuz, what "function buttons" do you refer to?
[16:57] <Torkiliuz> The volume-buttons, specifically mute, volume up and volume down...
[16:57] <meatcar> Torkiliuz, ask google. each set of function buttons has a different chip in it. the chance of people having your chip are pretty high.
[16:57] <vidd> Torkiliuz, ah...your having that issue too....
[16:57] <meatcar> its usually a lil driver and some xorg editing.
[16:57] <Torkiliuz> hmm... ok... I have a Compaq Presario F550...
[16:58] <vidd> used to be just enabling the volume applet (that has since been discontinued) made it work
[16:58] <Torkiliuz> Everything used to work, until I removed Ubuntu from my Ubuntu/Xubuntu install...
[16:58] <vidd> still havent found out the secret to fixing it
[16:59] <Torkiliuz> No, the volume indicator is still in my sys-tray though...
[17:00] <vidd> that is the mixer app...not the volume manager app
[17:00] <Torkiliuz> yeah, I saw that now, sorry for assuming it without checking :P
[17:00] <vidd> you have to use your mouse wheel to move it up and down
[17:00] <vidd> np
[17:00] <SiDi> Torkiliuz: sec
[17:01] <vidd> i thought they were the same too....till my buttons didnt work
[17:01] <vidd> (compaq presario US2220)
[17:01] <SiDi> Torkiliuz: go to Xfce params -> Keyboard -> Layout
[17:01] <Torkiliuz> also, when I click it, it now pops up that gstreamer couldn't find my sound card? what's up with that?
[17:01] <SiDi> and try the "Compaq" keyboard dispositions
[17:02] <SiDi> aw
[17:02] <vidd> heh...
[17:02]  * vidd hasnt used gstreamer since breezey!
[17:02] <Torkiliuz> Yeah, I tried that one, but it still didn't work, although that was the solution in ubuntu...
[17:02] <vidd> xine has always worked better for me
[17:03] <Torkiliuz> hmm... so how do I go about installing xine then?
[17:03] <Torkiliuz> from Terminal please :)
[17:03] <vidd> if your using the xine backend...get gxine as your media player....
[17:03] <vidd> totem is a PITA to convert
[17:03] <Torkiliuz> ok :P
[17:04] <Torkiliuz> is it plain sudo apt-get install xine?
[17:04] <SiDi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/163628/ Torkiliuz
[17:04] <vidd> Torkiliuz, sudo apt-get install gxine libxine1-all-plugins
[17:04] <SiDi> Thats all the gstreamer packages you may need
[17:05] <Torkiliuz> ok, I'm going to try gstreamer first, then xine, since gstreamer used to work in ubuntu
[17:05] <vidd> Torkiliuz, those 2 apps are all the xine-based stuff you could hope for
[17:05] <SiDi> get both :)
[17:05] <SiDi> vidd: he got no sound in xfce4-mixer cause he lacks some gstreamer packages
[17:05] <Torkiliuz> ok, both? Will that work, won't they bug?
[17:06] <vidd> SiDi, i have NO gstreamer stuff and my sound is beautiful
[17:06] <SiDi> mh, you cheat
[17:07] <vidd> Torkiliuz, you propably have the master channel muted (for some reason the default)
[17:07] <vidd> open the mixer, add all the controls
[17:07] <SiDi> vidd: its because either noone comes on the irc channel asking for help :(
[17:07] <vidd> then unmute your outputs
[17:08] <Torkiliuz> I can't open the mixer, because some gstreamer packages are missing it says...
[17:09] <vidd> Torkiliuz, try this:
[17:09] <Torkiliuz> So I copied SiDi's command into terminal, and it's now installing...
[17:10] <vidd> sudo apt-get remove --purge xfce4-mixer && sudo apt-get install xfce4-mixer
[17:10] <vidd> Torkiliuz, test SiDi 's fix before using mine
[17:10] <Torkiliuz> Yeah, I tried it still says that it can't find any sound devices...
[17:11] <vidd> that is fine
[17:11] <vidd> !pastebin us the output of lspci
[17:11] <vidd> !pastebin
[17:11] <Torkiliuz> ok
[17:12] <vidd> SiDi, another basic function we lost in this release is the <ctrl>+<alt>+<bksp>
[17:13] <SiDi> vidd: install dontzap
[17:13] <SiDi> then dontzap --disable in console
[17:13] <SiDi> it was volunteer to remove it
[17:13] <Torkiliuz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/163632/
[17:14] <vidd> eww nvida MB
[17:14] <Torkiliuz> it's only my school laptop, don't expect it to be any good; yet :P
[17:15] <vidd> you kidding???? the onboard video is sweet
[17:17] <Torkiliuz> it works, that's all I need... it was less than around $80, so I'm glad I got it that cheap...
[17:19] <Torkiliuz> would killall xfce4-mixer help, or would I make things worse?
[17:19] <vidd> you can kill it then recall it
[17:20] <Torkiliuz> ok, I'll try and see if it helps at all...
[17:20] <Torkiliuz> no, it didn't help any...
[17:22] <vidd> if the mixer is working, but you can't detect any sound cards, then you probably yanked the proprietary drive out when you purged gnome
[17:22] <vidd> in the menu....do you still have "Hardware drivers" under the "System" menu?
[17:23] <Torkiliuz> @vidd Yes, I do...
[17:23] <vidd> use that to see if your system can detect the nvidia sound card drivers
[17:24] <Torkiliuz> but I have never needed to use "Hardware Drivers" for sound before, it doesn't detect my sound-card that way...
[17:25] <Torkiliuz> I tried now also, but it doesn't show up...
[17:25] <vidd> i wanna say reboot....
[17:25] <vidd> =\
[17:25] <Torkiliuz> ok, I'll try....
[17:25] <Torkiliuz> bye for now....
[17:29] <Torkiliuz> Ok, now I've rebooted, and sound is working, but not the volume up/down or mute button on my keyboard...
[17:30] <vidd> yes...the buttons wont work'
[17:30] <Torkiliuz> hmm... so there is absolutely no way of getting them to work?
[17:30] <vidd> because that functionality has been stripped out of the xfce mixer app
[17:30] <vidd> the gnome volume app still has the function
[17:31] <vidd> find the gnome-based volume manager panel app and install it
[17:31] <Torkiliuz> ok
[17:31] <vidd> OH! and lemme know where you get it!
[17:31] <Torkiliuz> hehe... I'll try to find it!
[17:31] <vidd> i got 6 crippled machines =\
[17:32] <Torkiliuz> =\ that's too bad!
[17:32] <vidd> only 2 of them can run ubuntu
[17:33] <Torkiliuz> wow!
[17:33] <vidd> even xubuntu is getting to heavey for some of them
[17:33] <Torkiliuz> hmm... old computers?
[17:33] <vidd> yep
[17:34] <vidd> all i do is chat, browse, email and watch porn...dont need massive machines
[17:34] <vidd> =]
[17:35] <Torkiliuz> hehe, no it's not necessary when that's the only thing you do :)
[17:36] <vidd> ive rescued these laptops and desktops from the trash
[17:36] <Torkiliuz> that's a nice thing to do!
[17:37] <vidd> the 2 powerhouses are the ones i bought (laptop) and built (desktop)
[17:37] <vidd> and they do more then as stated above
[17:38] <Torkiliuz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2998469&postcount=2 could this work(just replacing "surround" with "master" or similar)?
[17:38] <artistxe> vidd : you chat, browse, mail and surf porn ???
[17:38] <vidd> artistxe, no...i watch porn...surfing for it is risky stuff =]
[17:38]  * artistxe confiscates vidd's computer immediately 
[17:38] <Torkiliuz> hehe
[17:39] <meatcar> wow 6 machines for watching porn. one for every corner of the house.
[17:39] <meatcar> lol
[17:40] <vidd> and 2 for the bathroom =]
[17:40] <artistxe> I really believe that porn and gaming industries detract the lesser minds from trying to tackle more importaant things in life :D
[17:40] <frenzy42> i have a wireless access point that won't connect to my wireless card, but if i use an old one, it will connect
[17:40] <Torkiliuz> I were fixing a computer for one of my friends some days ago, when I suddenly found a folder named "OperaTemp", the rest of the story is unnecessary to tell...
[17:40] <vidd> did you recover the data from it?
[17:40] <vidd> i have ftp space....
[17:41] <meatcar> gtg, help girlfriend shop for prom dress. vidd better fix his volume app by the time i get back... have fun yall.
[17:41] <artistxe> Torkiliuz, you obviously work for BestBuy chain.....
[17:41] <Torkiliuz> no, I was removing all sorts of junk from his computer, because his computer was running slow...
[17:41] <vidd> frenzy42, what does lspci (or lsusb) say your new wifi card is?
[17:42] <Torkiliuz> meatcar is buying pron dress :P
[17:42] <vidd> hey Torkiliuz what it by chance a M$-based machine?
[17:43] <frenzy42> 06:07.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
[17:43] <Torkiliuz> vidd: Yes it was...
[17:43]  * vidd is shocked!
[17:43] <Torkiliuz> have you ever heard of a *buntu machine running slow?
[17:43] <Torkiliuz> XD
[17:43] <vidd> frenzy42, is your terminal screen getting filled up with error messages about the card?
[17:44] <vidd> Torkiliuz, yeah...i have
[17:44] <frenzy42> no error messages
[17:44] <vidd> does this card work on another machine?
[17:44] <Torkiliuz> vidd, I have never heard of it before!
[17:44] <frenzy42> my bad card seems to try to connect (complete with two green balls) but then fails and asks for a password
[17:45] <frenzy42> the bad card is built in
[17:45] <Torkiliuz> frenzy42: is this perhaps the network password?
[17:45] <vidd> Torkiliuz, drop your ram to 128 and you will
[17:45] <frenzy42> the password works for the good card
[17:45] <vidd> no...its probably his keyring password
[17:46] <vidd> now im confused....
[17:46] <vidd> the new card...the password works?
[17:46] <Torkiliuz> ahh, ok, I have only been running M$ Lose 3.11 on such low-end computers...
[17:46] <frenzy42> yes
[17:46] <frenzy42> but not with the on board card
[17:47] <vidd> and can you see your network access pouint?
[17:47] <frenzy42> yes
[17:47] <vidd> then what is the issue?
[17:47] <frenzy42> well the card that works, belongs to someone else, i was just testing it after not being able to connect
[17:47] <vidd> you want the onboard card to work?
[17:47] <frenzy42> yes
[17:48] <vidd> desktop or laptop?
[17:48] <frenzy42> laptop
[17:48] <vidd> did you press the stupid "turn off the wifi card" button on the laptop?
[17:48] <frenzy42> no
[17:48] <vidd> press that now
[17:49] <frenzy42> ok
[17:49] <vidd> does the onboard card work now?
[17:50] <vidd> i hate when people with wifi issues chat on the machines with the issue!
[17:50] <frenzy421> ok it disconnected all the wireless
[17:50] <frenzy421> sorry about that, i only have one computer avaliable right now
[17:51] <vidd> ok...so....you press the "turn off wifi" button that controls the on-board card and you lose connection.....
[17:51] <vidd> i must be missing something
[17:52] <frenzy421> there is only one button, it has a little antenna and blinks blue. when i push it everything goes down for some reason
[17:52] <vidd> well...yeah....its supposed to
[17:52] <frenzy421> ok
[17:53] <frenzy421> is there a way through the terminal i can see what's going on when i try to connect to the network with the on board card?
[17:53] <vidd> but if that blue light built into your laptop is on, and pushing the button turns it off and disconects you from the internet, then your built-in wifi is fine
[17:53] <Torkiliuz>  about the fn-buttons; I think I found a solution, you need to install keytouch and keytouch editor...
[17:53] <frenzy421> so the problem is with my router?
[17:53] <vidd> no
[17:54] <vidd> there is apparently no problem at all
[17:54] <vidd> you are connected
[17:54] <frenzy421> but with a card i can't keep using
[17:54] <frenzy421> the connection is not with the onboard card
[17:54] <frenzy421> when i push the button it shuts off all the wi-fi, even the card i have plugged in
[17:55] <vidd> the onboard card is controlled by the onboard button
[17:55] <vidd> the plugged in card is not controllable by the onboard button
[17:56] <Torkiliuz> maybe he is turning of his wireless router?
[17:56] <frenzy421> i think i am
[17:56] <Torkiliuz> turning off*
[17:56] <vidd> unless you deliberatly scripted a keystroke combo tied to that button
[17:56] <frenzy421> well i didn't i think xubuntu did
[17:56] <vidd> where is the blu button?
[17:56] <frenzy421> above the keyboard
[17:57] <vidd> that is the power button
[17:57] <frenzy421> no it's not
[17:57] <frenzy421> it's the wi-fi button
[17:57] <vidd> what laptop you have?
[17:57] <Torkiliuz> you have a HP Compaq ******?
[17:57] <frenzy421> yes
[17:57] <frenzy421> presario v4000
[17:58] <Torkiliuz> then I think you might have a ruined wlan card, it happened to me, although I have a different laptop...
[17:59] <frenzy421> how does a wlan card get "ruined"
[18:00] <vidd> you pretty much have to step on them
[18:00] <Torkiliuz> what happened to mine was that it disconnected inside the computer, and scrambled around until it broke... so I sent it to repair because of my warranty...
[18:00] <qdr> rd get "ruined"
[18:00] <qdr> 19:00 < vidd> you pretty much have to step on them
[18:00] <qdr> oops
[18:01] <frenzy421> well i can pull off the door where the wireless card is, and it's not loose or anything
[18:01] <sober_> hi everyone
[18:02] <Torkiliuz> hi
[18:02] <vidd> frenzy421, pastebin me your lspci please
[18:02] <sober_> xubuntu 9.04 isn't saving my screen resolution after restart is there anyway to force it
[18:02] <frenzy421> ok
[18:02] <sober_> i've tried reconfiguring the xserver and looking in the xorg file but nothing there anymore
[18:03] <Torkiliuz> sudo mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[18:04] <frenzy421> http://pastebin.com/m403f726c
[18:04] <sober_> Torkiliuz, there isn't anything in there yet
[18:05] <vidd> frenzy421, this is your wifi card:Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG
[18:05] <frenzy421> thats the one that's not working
[18:05] <vidd> yeah...
[18:05] <frenzy421> the one at the bottom is
[18:05] <vidd> thasts the one i asked you about
[18:05] <Torkiliuz> http://downloadcenter.intel.com/filter_results.aspx?strTypes=all&ProductID=1637&OSFullName=Linux*&lang=eng&strOSs=39&submit=Go!
[18:06] <frenzy421> ok
[18:06] <vidd> the one at the bottom is you wired ethernet
[18:07] <sober_> Torkiliuz, yea you can't do it with the xorg file anymore
[18:07] <vidd> this wifi card that you are borrowing....
[18:08] <vidd> how does it connect to this machine?
[18:08] <frenzy421> through the wireless card slot
[18:08] <frenzy421> i don't know why it's not showing up in that list
[18:08] <vidd> what wireless card slot?
[18:08] <frenzy421> the standard one, on the side
[18:08] <vidd> a pcmcia slot?
[18:08] <frenzy421> yes
[18:09] <Torkiliuz> #frenzy421, just use the link I gave for the driver, and try with that one...
[18:09] <vidd> ok...pastebim me the output of lspcmcia please
[18:10] <frenzy421> http://pastebin.com/m1847f39b
[18:11] <vidd> frenzy421, take the pcmcia card out....does it disconnect you from the internet?
[18:12] <frenzy421> it will
[18:13] <vidd> frenzy421, Torkiliuz posted a link for the proprietary driver for your onboard wifi
[18:13] <vidd> http://downloadcenter.intel.com/T8Clearance.aspx?sType=&agr=Y&ProductID=1637&DwnldID=11780&url=/11780/eng/ipw2200_linux_1_2_0.tgz&PrdMap=&strOSs=39&OSFullName=Linux*&lang=eng
[18:13] <vidd> read the agreement, click accept
[18:14] <vidd> download the driver, unpack it, put it in /lib/firmware
[18:14] <vidd> reboot, issue should be resolved
[18:17] <vidd> strange...the driver is not proprietary....its open source
[18:17] <vidd> so it should be in the repos
[18:17] <frenzy421> the driver is already installed on my machine
[18:19] <Relam> hi
[18:20] <vidd> hello Relam
[18:20] <vidd> frenzy421, then im out of ideas
[18:21] <vidd> can you plug in the wired ethernet?
[18:21] <Relam> ppc version does not boot on my powerbook 12"
[18:21] <Relam> i will post the error message in a few minutes :d
[18:21] <vidd> Relam, i wasnt awre ppc was officially supported anymore
[18:22] <vidd> last i heard, you had to use the server installer and make a ckli install, then sudo apt-get install the desktop you wanted
[18:22] <vidd> *cli-only*
[18:24]  * vidd is off to lunch
[18:43] <gabkdlly> the option to do a command line system install is now available through alternate CDs as well, so you don't necessarily need a server CD
[18:44]  * vidd knows nothing of ppc...except that official support was killed several releases ago
[18:51] <J_Litewski> there isn't a calculator for xfce?
[18:51] <vidd> should be....
[18:52] <vidd> under the accessories menu
[18:52] <J_Litewski> thats a Gnome Calculator
[18:52] <J_Litewski> I mean, a Calculator made for xfce
[18:53] <vidd> its gcalctool
[18:53] <vidd> why re-invent the wheel?
[18:53] <J_Litewski> because it' fun
[18:53] <vidd> it works, its lite, what else do you need?
[18:54] <vidd> oh...and its on version 5.26.0
[18:54] <vidd> so its stable
[18:54] <J_Litewski> eh
[18:54]  * vidd thinks they do entirely TOO much "customized for xfce" to begine with
[18:55] <BSE> well... that gnome calc is unusable imho :(
[18:55] <vidd> how so?
[18:55] <BSE> it is HUGE
[18:55] <J_Litewski> true
[18:55] <vidd> it adds, subtracts, multiplies, and divides
[18:55] <Torkiliuz> open it, click view, and choose whatever you want...
[18:56] <vidd> can you suggest a smaller calc tool?
[18:57] <J_Litewski> if there was a nice USB passthrough for my TI-83+, i would use that
[18:57] <BSE> Torkiliuz: lol? I need for example x^y - that is basic function and its present only in scientific one
[18:57] <vidd> J_Litewski, so then plug in your TI and use it!
[18:57] <J_Litewski> vidd, the TI-tool doesn't work
[18:58] <zerothis> none of my gusty repositories (us.archive.ubuntu.com) are working. Are there alternative gusty archives?
[18:58] <vidd> zerothis, drop the us.
[18:58] <Torkiliuz> old-releases.ubuntu.com...
[18:59] <vidd> isnt gutsy support over?
[18:59] <Torkiliuz> exactly why you use old-releases.ubuntu.com...
[18:59] <vidd> or...upgrade
[19:00] <vidd> sweet...that goes all the way back to warty!
[19:01] <vidd> Torkiliuz, nice find!
[19:01] <zerothis> gusty support is over, I'd like to upgrade, but I don't have the tools installed for that yet
[19:01] <Torkiliuz> I know, used it on an old computer I had, that had problems with Compiz Fusion
[19:02] <Torkiliuz> so replace us.archive.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list with old-releases.ubuntu.com
[19:03] <vidd> zerothis, you could just get a hardy cd
[19:03] <vidd> it will auto-update ya
[19:03] <vidd> and hardy is still supported
[19:04] <Torkiliuz> Hardy=LTS!
[19:05] <vidd> or...if you have your /home on a seperate partition, you can use the mini or alt cd to install the latest and greates without the clumbsy update path
[19:05]  * vidd always keeps /home on a seperate partition...and /var/www as well
[19:08] <sisi> sss
[19:09] <carlis> hi
[19:09] <vidd> hello carlis
[19:09] <vidd> how can we help you?
[19:09] <carlis> who know to fix issue about ubiquity ?
[19:09] <carlis> hi vidd
[19:10] <vidd> what is the issue?
[19:10]  * vidd uses the far more stable alt-install method, but will try to help
[19:10] <carlis> the issue is when i begin to install xubuntu with the flash memory
[19:12] <vidd> ok....what happens (or doesnt happen)?
[19:13] <carlis> when I begin to install xubuntu with flash memory I receive the messabe about Ubiquity has closed
[19:13] <vidd> are you trying to use a live cd to install on a netbook?
[19:14] <carlis> I don`t use live cd. I use flash memoruy
[19:14] <carlis> memory
[19:15] <vidd> and therein lies the issue....
[19:15] <vidd> ok...what are you trying to insall upon?
[19:15] <carlis> If i receive that message I can`t install xubuntu
[19:16] <vidd> that is correct...you cant
[19:16] <vidd> now...what are you trying to install xubuntu on?
[19:17] <carlis> tomorrow, I am going to try again
[19:17] <vidd> and tommorrow you will fail too
[19:17] <vidd> now...WHAT ARE YOU INSTALLING ON???????
[19:17] <carlis> sorry, I don`t undertstand
[19:18] <vidd> what [piece of hardware do you want running xubuntu
[19:18] <vidd> a netbook? a laptop? a phone?
[19:18] <vidd> a ps3?
[19:18] <vidd> a desktop?
[19:18] <vidd> a router?
[19:18] <vidd> your TV?
[19:19] <carlis> desktop
[19:19] <vidd> ok...
[19:19] <vidd> how much ram?
[19:19] <carlis> 256
[19:19] <vidd> ok...
[19:21] <vidd> great...i cant find the requirements page =\
[19:21] <vidd> i dont think the live cd will run with only 256MB of ram
[19:21] <vidd> and i know your not using a disk
[19:21] <vidd> but ubiquity is the live cd installer
[19:22] <SiDi> vidd: it should run
[19:22] <SiDi> tho it might be too slow to even run the installer :D
[19:22] <vidd> so far as i know, 8.10 needed 256+128 to run
[19:22] <vidd> (ubiquity...not xubuntu)
[19:23] <vidd> carlis, get yourset the net installer
[19:23] <vidd> !alt
[19:23] <vidd> !mini
[19:23] <vidd> its only 10 mb
[19:26] <ruadh> hi all
[19:26] <vidd> hello ruadh
[19:28] <carlis> vidd ?
[19:28] <vidd> what hardware do you have at your disposal?
[19:29] <vidd> cd burner? broadband internet?
[19:29] <R1cochet> cant log out plz hlp
[19:29] <carlis> how do i connect wifi in xubuntu
[19:29] <R1cochet> when i click on the quit button in the panel i get exit xfce panel not log out/restart......
[19:30] <vidd> R1cochet, <alt> + <SysRq> + <del>
[19:30] <R1cochet> 8.10
[19:30] <carlis> xubuntu says me: It`s connected but I don`t see any page
[19:30] <R1cochet> sysrq?
[19:30] <carlis> how do i fix this issue ?
[19:31] <vidd> R1cochet, usually the same key as "printscreen"
[19:31] <vidd> carlis, are you on the machine now?
[19:31] <carlis> yes
[19:32] <vidd> well...you are connected to the internet...otherwise you would not be able to talk here
[19:32] <vidd> try moving to a different page
[19:32] <R1cochet> all that did was bring up printscreen dialog
[19:32] <carlis> I mean in another computer
[19:32] <R1cochet> screenshot*
[19:32] <vidd> like www.google.com
[19:33] <vidd> carlis, if the other machine is having the issue then NO, your NOT on the machine having the issue
[19:33] <vidd> so...what is the gatewaty for that machine?
[19:34] <vidd> R1cochet, you pressed all 3 buttons?
[19:34] <carlis> It´s a desktop
[19:34] <R1cochet> yep
[19:34] <vidd> R1cochet, then idk
[19:34] <vidd> carlis, we already established that
[19:34] <vidd> what is the gateway for the network connection on that machine?
[19:35] <R1cochet> so i cant log out then?
[19:35] <R1cochet> Laughing Out Loud
[19:35] <carlis> what does gateway meaning ?
[19:35] <vidd> R1cochet, 8.10 should still have the ctrl+alt+bksp working
[19:36] <vidd> carlis, on that machine, open terminal, type "ifconfig" and tell me what it says for gateway
[19:36] <carlis> wait please
[19:37] <vidd> actually...i want the inet address and bcast
[19:39] <carlis> vidd the gateway is 255.0.0.0
[19:39] <vidd> carlis, that is the netmask
[19:40] <carlis> wait
[19:40] <R1cochet> well that worked :)
[19:40] <R1cochet> thank you
[19:40] <vidd> inet addr and bcast?
[19:40] <vidd> R1cochet, no problem
[19:40] <vidd> R1cochet, just pay the bill when you get it =]
[19:41] <R1cochet> Laughing My Ass Off those things are piled up in the corner
[19:42] <carlis> vidd 192.168.1.5
[19:42] <vidd> is that inet or bcast?
[19:43] <carlis> inet
[19:44] <vidd> ok...on that machine....type "ping 192.168.1.1" wait 10 seconds, hit ctrol key + "c" key and tell me the results
[19:47] <carlis> Destination Host Unreachable
[19:47] <vidd> thats what i thought
[19:47] <carlis> what do i do then ?
[19:47] <vidd> did you manually configure your /etc/network/interfaces file?
[19:48] <carlis> no
[19:48] <vidd> does that machine connect to the router via wire or wireless?
[19:49] <carlis> wireless
[19:49] <vidd> can you connect it via wire?
[19:50] <carlis> it`s difficult, because I can`t bring the router here
[19:50] <vidd> you do not have physical access to the router?
[19:51] <carlis> physical access ??
[19:51] <carlis> The router is in the second floor
[19:51] <vidd> can you put your fingers on it?
[19:51] <carlis> yes
[19:51] <vidd> or is it locked up in someone else's apartment
[19:51] <zerothis> the hardy CD would overide many of the customisations I've made. old-releases seems to be doing the job. thank you
[19:51] <Torkiliuz> you're welcome
[19:52] <vidd> zerothis, glad we could help
[19:52] <vidd> how does this computer connect to the internet?
[19:52] <vidd> same router?
[19:52] <carlis> yes
[19:52] <carlis> to the same router
[19:52] <vidd> this machine linux or windows?
[19:53] <carlis> linux
[19:53] <vidd> open up terminal
[19:53] <carlis> ok
[19:53] <vidd> then type ifconfig
[19:53] <vidd> i want the inet addr and the bast
[19:54] <vidd> *bcast
[19:55] <carlis> inet address is 192.168.1.5
[19:55] <vidd> so there you have it
[19:55] <vidd> both your machines are trying to connect to the router with the same IP address
[19:56] <vidd> that wont work
[19:56] <vidd> go to the other machine...
[19:56] <carlis> ok
[19:56] <vidd> type "sudo /etc/init.d/networking/restart
[19:57] <vidd> type "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[19:57] <carlis> In the other machine I have windows
[19:58] <vidd> then to hell with that other machine!
[19:58] <J_Litewski> damn...
[19:59] <J_Litewski> how do you enable HAL?
[19:59] <carlis> do i write sudo where i have xubuntu ?
[19:59] <vidd> why you wasting my time trying to get windows help from a linux channel?
[19:59] <vidd> no....the windows machine is fubar'd
[19:59] <carlis> In this laptop I have windows
[19:59] <vidd> go get help for it in a windows channel
[20:00] <carlis> In the desktop I have xubuntu
[20:00] <vidd> if you are not going to follow my instructions or answer my questions honestly....how do you expect me to help you?
[20:01] <carlis> I want to connect wifi in xubuntu
[20:01] <SiDi> J_Litewski: sudo /etc/init.d/hal start ? :/
[20:01] <vidd> J_Litewski, sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart
[20:01] <vidd> carlis, what does lspci tell you the wifi card is on the machine that cannot connect tot the internet?
[20:01] <J_Litewski> hal is started, but i can't mount my MP3 player
[20:02] <J_Litewski> it says HAL was disabled
[20:02] <vidd> J_Litewski, reboot =]
[20:02] <vidd> with the mp3 player UNPLUGGED
[20:02] <vidd> once your booted up, THEN plug in the MP3
[20:02] <J_Litewski> could it be that my custom kernel doesn't support UID mounting?
[20:03] <vidd> quite possibly
[20:03] <J_Litewski> vidd, i just found my MP3 cable and just now plugged it in
[20:03] <vidd> did you specifically add it?
[20:03] <J_Litewski> i don't know
[20:03] <J_Litewski> i modded the rtl8187 and mac80211 drivers
[20:03] <vidd> then most likely "no"
[20:04] <J_Litewski> kk, let me reboot into the offical kernel
[20:04] <J_Litewski> brb
[20:06] <carlis> vidd ??
[20:06] <vidd> yes?
[20:06] <carlis> what do i do then ??
[20:07] <vidd> im waiting for the answer to my question
[20:07] <J_Litewski> didn't work
[20:07] <carlis> can u repeat me ur question please
[20:07] <vidd> carlis, what does lspci tell you the wifi card is on the machine that cannot connect tot the internet?
[20:07] <J_Litewski> the offical kernel doesn't have UID mounting support eighter
[20:08] <vidd> J_Litewski, what version of *buntu you running?
[20:08] <carlis> what does lspci meaning ?
[20:08] <vidd> it is what you type into terminal
[20:08] <J_Litewski> vidd: Xubuntu 9.04 Final Kernel 2.6.28-11-generic
[20:09] <vidd> then you look at the output fo "network controler" and you tell me what it says
[20:09] <J_Litewski> error message: exo-mount: Cannot mount by HAL device UDI, because HAL support was disabled for this build
[20:10] <vidd> ok....
[20:10] <vidd> you should install a different kernel
[20:10] <carlis> ok
[20:11] <carlis> I typed lspci
[20:11] <vidd> carlis, the "different kernel" was not for you
[20:11] <vidd> and what network controller you have listed?
[20:11] <carlis> what do i have to say u ? vidd
[20:11] <carlis> wait
[20:11] <J_Litewski> vidd, i should modify my custom kernel to support device UDI
[20:12] <vidd> J_Litewski, TBH idunno
[20:12] <J_Litewski> kk, i'll ask in #kernel
[20:12]  * vidd doesnt play around (yet) with custom anything
[20:12] <carlis> Intel Corporation 82845g/gl
[20:13] <carlis> is that ?
[20:13] <vidd> could be
[20:13] <vidd> what does the entire line say?
[20:14] <vidd> that is the display adaptor =\
[20:15] <J_Litewski> heh
[20:15] <carlis> [Brookdale-G]/GE/PE DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface (rev 01)
[20:15] <J_Litewski> vidd, did he tell you it was a PCI/PCMIA addapter?
[20:16] <vidd> J_Litewski, no
[20:16] <carlis> vidd what do i do ?
[20:16] <vidd> carlis, do you see ANYWHERE..... Network controller:
[20:16] <J_Litewski> carlis, your on a laptop, correct?
[20:17] <vidd> J_Litewski, thats not the system with issues
[20:17] <carlis> yes
[20:17] <vidd> his desktop is the one with issues
[20:17] <J_Litewski> ok
[20:17] <vidd> i want the ENTIRE line that has Network controller: in it
[20:19] <carlis> Intel Corporation 82801DB PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller (rv 81)
[20:20] <carlis> is that vidd ?
[20:20] <vidd> could be
[20:20] <carlis> and now ?
[20:20] <vidd> i need the REST of the line to be sure
[20:21] <J_Litewski> Carlis, is the desktop wired or wireless?
[20:21] <carlis> wireless
[20:21] <J_Litewski> i think thats the wired Ethernet device
[20:22] <J_Litewski> err... controller
[20:22] <carlis> what else do i say u vidd ?
[20:22] <vidd> this an example output of lspci: http://pastebin.com/m403f726c
[20:22] <vidd> line 16 has the wireless card
[20:23] <vidd> line 21 has the ethernet (wired) card
[20:23] <vidd> does you machine's output have a line like that line 16?
[20:24] <vidd> J_Litewski, you are right...that card he posted was wired....intel chip always say wireless
[20:25] <J_Litewski> i knew all them years with Dells paid off :)
[20:25] <vidd> im betting he is using a usb wifi card
[20:26] <vidd> with the bcm43xx chipset
[20:27] <vidd> carlis, does this desktop even HAVE a wifi card installed?
[20:27] <carlis> yes, It`s using usb wifi card
[20:27] <vidd> then tell me what lsusb tells you the wifi card is
[20:27] <carlis> The desktop is using usb wifi card
[20:28] <carlis> It´s Encore
[20:28] <vidd> that is definantly NOT lsusb output
[20:29] <vidd> go to terminal and type lsusb
[20:30] <carlis> ok. what do i say u ?
[20:30] <vidd> what is the wifi card acording to lsusb?
[20:31] <J_Litewski> damn
[20:31] <J_Litewski> it's exo-mount's fault
[20:31] <J_Litewski> :/
[20:32] <SiDi> J_Litewski: whip it !
[20:32] <J_Litewski> terminal mounting it is
[20:32]  * J_Litewski cracks fingers
[20:32]  * knome too
[20:32] <J_Litewski> i'm using the newest version of exo-mount too
[20:33] <vidd> J_Litewski, that explains alot
[20:33] <carlis> Realtek Semiconductor  Corp. RTL8187B Wireless 802.11g 54 Mbps Network Adapter
[20:33] <carlis> is that vidd ?
[20:33] <vidd> yep
[20:33] <J_Litewski> yes it is
[20:33] <J_Litewski> and it sucks
[20:33] <vidd> yes it does
[20:33] <J_Litewski> carlis, send me 40 bucks and your address and i'll send you my extra WG111v2
[20:34] <knome> :P
[20:34] <J_Litewski> it uses the RTL8187L driver
[20:34] <knome> wasn't open source *free*? :P
[20:34] <J_Litewski> not for a Netgear USB dongle
[20:34] <vidd> knome, open source software is free....hardware that runs it is expensive =]
[20:34] <J_Litewski> lol
[20:35] <carlis> what do i do vidd ?
[20:36]  * vidd recommends getting a decent wifi card =\
[20:36] <J_Litewski> well, carlis, i think thats your problem
[20:36] <vidd> let me google up some instructions for this POS card
[20:36] <J_Litewski> i'll take moneygrams too carlis
[20:37] <Torkiliuz> hi, my "p"-button suddenly stopped working, and now I need to copy/paste it everytime I need to use it, is there a way to fix it?
[20:37] <J_Litewski> Torkiliuz, desktop or laptop
[20:37] <vidd> carlis, check out https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-bugs/2009-April/071795.html
[20:37] <Torkiliuz> laptop
[20:37] <knome> Torkiliuz, what happens if you run 'setxkbmap' on terminal?
[20:38] <Torkiliuz> I'll try and see...
[20:38] <SiDi> Torkiliuz: did you turn on the numlock ?
[20:38] <vidd> Torkiliuz, laptop or desktop?
[20:38] <SiDi> try the buttons on the right side of P
[20:38] <J_Litewski> i'm thinking popping the key off and cleaning it
[20:38] <J_Litewski> but then again, i'm using a Dell and Dell's suck
[20:39] <knome> :P
[20:39] <J_Litewski> and ivman didn't automount my MP3 player!
[20:39] <Torkiliuz> it worked for like seconds ago, so it's not because of dirt...
[20:39] <vidd> Torkiliuz, laptop or desktop???????
[20:39] <J_Litewski> vidd, lappy
[20:39] <Torkiliuz> I did turn on numlock, to just turn it of again
[20:40] <vidd> fixed?
[20:40] <Torkiliuz> no, it didn't fix it, when running xkbmap nothing happened...
[20:41] <vidd> did you do anything strange (besides talk to me)?
[20:41] <Torkiliuz> (I'm pasting the "p"'s)
[20:41] <Torkiliuz> I ran keytouch, and I think that was the time it happened...
[20:42] <vidd> alright...
[20:42] <Torkiliuz> paste-ing*
[20:42] <vidd> sudo apt-get remove --purge [what you installed]
[20:42] <J_Litewski> Torkiliuz, go to Applications -> Settings -> Keyboard and then go to layout and tell us what's there
[20:42] <vidd> the --purge switch is VITAL
[20:42] <Torkiliuz> ok
[20:42] <J_Litewski> or sudo apt-get purge [application]
[20:42] <Torkiliuz> I ran sudo apt-get purge, without --
[20:43] <Torkiliuz> it didn't help
[20:43] <Torkiliuz> but I'll try once more...
[20:43] <J_Litewski> Torkiliuz, try what i said
[20:43] <vidd> i usually do "autoremove instead of remove so all the extra garbage gets purged too
[20:43] <Torkiliuz> ok
[20:44]  * vidd will be back in like 15....
[20:44] <vidd> [damn coffee...you only rent it!]
[20:45] <knome> haha
[20:45] <carlis> vidd ??
[20:46] <carlis> I don`t find the solution in the url u gave me
[20:47] <carlis> vidd ??
[20:48] <knome> carlis, please wait. he just said he will be back in 15 minutes.
[20:48] <carlis> ok
[20:49] <carlis> vidd sent me this link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-bugs/2009-April/071796.html and I don`t find the solution there
[20:50] <Torkiliuz> J_Litewski I've tried it... it didn't help, and in "Keyboard" it says laptop/notebook Compaq (eg. Armada) Laptop Keyboard
[20:50] <J_Litewski> is that your keyboard?
[20:51] <Torkiliuz> yeah, I have a Compaq presario F550
[20:51] <J_Litewski> ok
[20:51] <J_Litewski> i would try the generic 105-key keyboard to make sure that it's not a driver isue
[20:51] <Torkiliuz> ok
[20:52] <carlis> it`s difficult to resolve this issue
[20:52] <Torkiliuz> I'll try that now
[20:52] <J_Litewski> kk
[20:52] <J_Litewski> carlis, are you trying to connect to an access point?
[20:52] <R1cochet> how can i update xine-lib?
[20:52] <Torkiliuz> no, that didn't help either...
[20:52] <J_Litewski> ok
[20:53] <carlis> no
[20:53] <carlis> to wifi
[20:54] <J_Litewski> carlis, that is an access point
[20:55] <carlis> no
[20:55] <carlis> router
[20:55] <J_Litewski> router == access point
[20:55] <J_Litewski> i have 5 years experence
[20:55] <J_Litewski> i should know
[20:56] <J_Litewski> carlis, what *buntu are you using?
[20:56]  * vidd is back
[20:57] <vidd> his gateway is 192.168.1.1
[20:57] <vidd> carlis, what is the ssid of your router?
[20:58] <carlis> how do i know it ?
[20:58] <SiDi> its the 'name' of the wifi connection from your router
[20:58] <SiDi> its also usually written on the bottom of the router
[20:58] <carlis> I am using xubuntu
[20:59] <vidd> carlis, your windows laptop should be able to tell you this
[20:59] <vidd> when you "view available wireless networks"
[21:03] <vidd> carlis, which version of xubuntu? 9.04? 8.10?
[21:03] <carlis> 8.10
[21:04] <Besogon> iwlist scan
[21:04] <Besogon> good command for wifi
[21:05] <vidd> what happens when you right-click on the connection panel app and choose "edit connections?
[21:06] <carlis> nothing
[21:06] <vidd> can you right-click on the panel app for networking?
[21:07] <carlis> panel app ?
[21:08] <vidd> upper left bar.....looks like two computer screens
[21:08] <Besogon> )
[21:10] <david_> how come when I want to update from xubuntu 7.04 and I try to update it in the update manager it gives a error with loads of files unfound and so it wont update?
[21:10] <carlis> I dont see 2 pcs
[21:10] <J_Litewski> how can i find the HAL UDI?
[21:11] <vidd> carlis, then run nm-connection-editor in terminal
[21:11] <zoredache> david_: 7.04 is no longer supported...
[21:11] <david_> is there another way to update?
[21:12] <david_> except from burning a bootable cd?
[21:12] <vidd> david_, yeah....get a hardy (or newer version) and put the cd in the drive
[21:12] <zoredache> david_: update to what?  do you mean continue to apply security fixes to 7.04, or do you mean move to a newer release?
[21:12] <Besogon> ho ho You should make clean installation
[21:12] <david_> newer release
[21:12] <vidd> david_, what version you want?
[21:12] <zoredache> you probably need to look at backing up and reinstalling at this point...
[21:12] <david_> the newest 9.04
[21:13] <vidd> david_, definantly back up your data files and install clean
[21:13] <vidd> get the mini-iso
[21:13] <vidd> !mini
[21:13] <vidd> its 10 MB and you get all the stuff from the internet
[21:14] <carlis> I type nm-connection-editor and don do nothing
[21:14] <vidd> is the system fully installed?
[21:14] <vidd> carlis, is the system fully instralled?
[21:14] <carlis> no
[21:15] <vidd> your an IDIOT!
[21:15] <carlis> Xubunut is installed inside windows
[21:15] <vidd> no wonder the stuff wont work
[21:15] <vidd> if its not fully installed, then we cant help you
[21:16] <vidd> how is it installed inside windows?
[21:16] <david_> is there a way to clean install the new version whitout making a bootable cd (i'm out of cd's)
[21:16] <Besogon> carlis, sudo apt-get  install NetworkManager
[21:16] <knome> vidd, wubi?
[21:16] <carlis> yes
[21:17] <vidd> carlis, well...im done trying to help
[21:17] <vidd> david_, you have a flash drive?
[21:17] <david_> only a 2gb
[21:17] <Besogon> carlis, )
[21:17] <vidd> wait... david_
[21:18] <carlis> Don`t find the network manager
[21:18] <vidd> david_, edit your sources.list and change "gutsy" to "hardy"
[21:19] <vidd> david_, then "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[21:19] <david_> where can i find sources.list/
[21:19] <Besogon> carlis, dont use Xubuntu inside ony Windows. It is only for your consideration. When you install it normally YoU WONT problem with WIFI
[21:19] <vidd> david_, its in /etc/apt/
[21:20] <vidd> carlis, and since the live cd fails for you, get an alt or mini iso disk
[21:21] <vidd> david_, you find it?
[21:21] <Besogon> carlis, sudo apt-get install network-manager
[21:21] <Besogon> It is right
[21:21] <david_> yeah i've got it but i dont get what i need to change
[21:21] <Besogon> command
[21:21] <david_> deb http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty main restricted
[21:21] <david_> it say's all kind of things like this
[21:23] <david_> what to do?
[21:23] <vidd> oh geeze david_
[21:24] <vidd> david_, ok....
[21:24] <R1cochet> when i upgrade to 9.04 will all settings and folders stay?
[21:24] <carlis> it`s difficutl to resolve this issue
[21:24] <vidd> we are going to do this in two steps....
[21:24] <david_> ok
[21:24] <vidd> carlis, no...it is easy as hell to resolve your issue
[21:24] <vidd> carlis, do a real install
[21:25] <vidd> david_, first, make a back-up copy of this file.....
[21:26] <david_> it doesnt mather if i loose any data as its a clean install anyway
[21:26] <carlis> do i install xubuntu complete ?
[21:27] <vidd> david_, you wan a backup because, first your going to change all nl.archive.ubuntu.com to old-releases.ubuntu.com
[21:27] <vidd> dang nabbit
[21:27] <vidd> carlis, yes
[21:28] <carlis> is not possible to get conneciton with windows and xubuntu together ?
[21:28] <vidd> carlis, completely install xubuntu and your issue should be resolved
[21:28] <carlis> ok
[21:28] <carlis> Thanks for helpig me vidd
[21:28] <vidd> carlis, you can set up a dual boot system if you want
[21:29] <vidd> but you need to actually have xubuntu installed for xubuntu to work
[21:30] <vidd> it would be like installing windows but never installing any drivers
[21:31] <carlis> chao
[21:40] <zerothis1> does an ipod touch normally 'just work' 9.04?
[21:41] <J_Litewski> exo-mount officially sucks
[21:41] <vidd> J_Litewski, what file system is you mp3 player?
[21:41] <SiDi> zerothis1: depends on the model i think
[21:41] <SiDi> zerothis1: apple made the last ones such a way they'd only work on macs out of the box, or via iTunes
[21:41] <zerothis1> 8gb
[21:42] <J_Litewski> vidd, it's a Philips GoGear
[21:42] <vidd> J_Litewski, but is that fat? ntfs?
[21:42] <vidd> ext3?
[21:42] <J_Litewski> not sure
[21:43] <vidd> try this:
[21:43] <vidd> do you see it in your thunar when you plug it in?
[21:43] <J_Litewski> yes
[21:44] <vidd> right-click it and choose properties
[21:44] <J_Litewski> properties is greyed out
[21:44] <J_Litewski> i can't mount the damned thing
[21:44] <vidd> interesting....
[21:44] <vidd> go into /dev
[21:45] <vidd> so you see it there?
[21:45] <J_Litewski> and I don't know how to uninstall exo-mount
[21:45] <J_Litewski> no
[21:45] <vidd> J_Litewski, you dont want to....trust me onm this
[21:45] <J_Litewski> and it's not in /media eighter
[21:46] <vidd> and if you unplug it, it goes away from thunar?
[21:46] <J_Litewski> and i can't mount it via gnome-mount bacause i don't know the UDI
[21:46] <J_Litewski> vidd, yes
[21:46] <vidd> you got a live cd?
[21:46] <J_Litewski> no
[21:47] <J_Litewski> i want to reinstall xfce 4.6.0
[21:47] <vidd> live cd's are great for all kinds of trouble-shooting stuff =]
[21:47] <J_Litewski> send me one then :P
[21:48] <vidd> you have a normal install disk?
[21:48] <J_Litewski> no, i don't have any disks
[21:48] <J_Litewski> i lost them/they got destroyed
[21:48] <vidd> J_Litewski, just go to launchpad and order one ....ubuntu will mail them out free
[21:48] <J_Litewski> ok
[21:49] <vidd> mind you...they are Ubuntu or Kubuntu or Edubuntu
[21:49] <vidd> xubuntu is the black sheep of the *buntu family
[21:50] <vidd> btw J_Litewski what version are you on?
[21:50] <J_Litewski> 9.04 final
[21:50] <sober_> hi
[21:51] <vidd> ic...
[21:51] <sober_> xubuntu 9.04 will not save my current resolution after restart
[21:51] <vidd> hello sober_
[21:51] <vidd> sober_, did you check the "save session" on logout?
[21:51] <sober_> yup
[21:51] <vidd> J_Litewski, perhaps you should dist-upgrade
[21:52] <vidd> sober_, what strange resolution are you picking?
[21:52] <firestorm> hello
[21:52] <vidd> hello firestorm
[21:52] <firestorm> men how tou manage theme in xfce
[21:52] <SiDi> sober_: do you have drivers for your GPU ?
[21:52] <firestorm> ?
[21:52] <sober_> vidd, 1280x1024
[21:52] <sober_> SiDi, drivers are fine
[21:52] <SiDi> firestorm: create a folder named .themes, and put the content of the .tar.gz themes you find on the web inside this folder
[21:53] <sober_> when i restart it goes back to a higher resolution
[21:53] <SiDi> firestorm: for instance, if you download foo.tar.gz, extract the foo folder in .themes/
[21:53] <firestorm> ok... I did
[21:53] <J_Litewski> vidd, i can't dist-upgrade, can i force it?
[21:53] <vidd> J_Litewski, yeah....
[21:53] <firestorm> i woulk like change also theme of pidgin, openoffice and so onù
[21:53] <vidd> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:54] <J_Litewski> vidd, that worked no better than before :)
[21:54] <sober_> anyone?
[21:56] <vidd> J_Litewski, i dunno then
[21:56] <vidd> sober_, what resolution are you set to on reboot?
[21:57] <sober_> vidd, 1600x1200
[21:58] <BSE> sober_: do you have functional graphic card driver?
[21:58] <sober_> BSE, YES
[21:59] <BSE> ok ok...
[21:59] <BSE> i see now you answered it already
[21:59] <sober_> restarting brb
[22:02] <yrrat209> Hi, could I ask someone a question about installation?
[22:03] <ochosi> yrrat209, go on
[22:03] <carlis> vidd I write sudo apt-get install networkmanager and say me: It`s coudn´t find the networkmanager
[22:03] <J_Litewski> carlis, it's network-manager
[22:04] <carlis> yes
[22:04] <J_Litewski> it's not one word
[22:04] <yrrat209> I have an older laptop with a CD drive no longer working.  How would you install Xubuntu in that situation?
[22:04] <vidd> carlis, is the instalation complete?
[22:04] <vidd> !nocd
[22:04] <carlis> no
[22:04] <carlis> I am going to do it now
[22:05] <vidd> the install will get you everything you need
[22:05] <carlis> I am going to install it now
[22:05] <ochosi> yrrat209, is the bios young enough to be able to boot from usb?
[22:05] <zoredache> yrrat209: via usb, or netboot
[22:06] <vidd> !no-cd
[22:06] <yrrat209> No, boot from USB is not an option on this one.  But Netboot could work.
[22:06] <carlis> what is netboot ?
[22:07] <vidd> carlis, not for you
[22:07] <yrrat209> It doesn't have a native NIC, but does have a PCMCIA NIC that could be installed.
[22:07] <carlis> I want to learn it
[22:07] <Markopotomus> I'm using Xubuntu xfce4 here and er... I appear to have lost the ability to copy and paste :s
[22:08] <vidd> carlis, get a functional normal install first
[22:08] <carlis> ok
[22:08] <zoredache> yrrat209: another option might be to simply pop the drive out, and put it in another computer and install from there
[22:08] <vidd> using the alt-cd or the mini cd
[22:08] <vidd> not the live cd...cuzz that isnt working on your system
[22:08] <yrrat209> ok, good thought on that.  Thanks.
[22:09] <vidd> yrrat209, doing the "move the drive" install does weird things to basic sytem stuff though....so beware
[22:10] <yrrat209> Right, I wondered about that.  Different CPU hardware, etc.
[22:11] <yrrat209> Reading now on No CD install.  Didn't see this before.
[22:11] <zoredache> vidd: I have moved disks around all the time...  The trick is, to basically do a cli-only install, then add additional packages once the drive is back in the system
[22:12] <vidd> zoredache, i know...just giving the boy (?) a heads-up is all
[22:13] <ochosi> yrrat209, you could also connect an external cd-drive (e.g. if friends of yours own one...)
[22:14] <Markopotomus> I'm trying to backup some files onto a USB hard drive. Problems seem to be that I can't write anything onto it, and also that I don't seem to be able to see the bulk of the files that I'm pretty sure are on the drive that I'm trying to back up. Could anyone help with this, pwease?
[22:16] <ochosi> Markopotomus, have you checked the permissions/user rights on the mount?
[22:17] <Markopotomus> ochosi: Ah, no, I havent :s It's my mums laptop and I havent actually used it for about 6 months. All I know is it worked when I set it up for her, and every few months she comes to me saying she's broken something :s
[22:17] <Markopotomus> so, erm... my memory is pretty hazy on what to do with it.
[22:19] <Markopotomus> well, on the USB hard drive's properies it says Acess:Read and write, Group: root
[22:19] <ochosi> Markopotomus, how did you mount the drive anyway? (and: what version are you using)
[22:20] <ochosi> Markopotomus, maybe a manual mount from the terminal would be better then
[22:20] <Markopotomus> ochosi - I honestly don't remember. I set it up ages ago. All I remember is it's running xfce4
[22:21] <ochosi> Markopotomus, have you ever done a dist-upgrade since then?
[22:22] <Markopotomus> ochosi: ah, no, I havent.
[22:23] <ochosi> Markopotomus, how about a "uname -r", what kernel-version does that tell u?
[22:23] <ochosi> Markopotomus, (in the terminal)
[22:23] <Markopotomus> ochosi: Actually I was kinda planning on getting rid of xubuntu and installing Ubuntu 9.04 instead. This laptop can handle it, I think.
[22:23] <Markopotomus> one mo
[22:24] <ochosi> Markopotomus, not a good thing to announce in this channel if you want help :)
[22:24] <Markopotomus> 2.6.24-23-generic
[22:25] <ochosi> Markopotomus, that means you have hardy installed (aka 8.04)
[22:25] <ochosi> Markopotomus, that means you have xfce 4.4.*
[22:25] <Markopotomus> yeah, sorry... mind you, if you can persuade me that later versions aren't going to be a little easier to along with then I'd consider sticking with it. It'd save me time, for sure.
[22:26] <Markopotomus> At the moment, however, my priority is backing up a bunch of data, which I havent figured out how to do :s
[22:26] <ochosi> yeah, i see
[22:27] <Markopotomus> So I should do a dist-upgrade?
[22:27] <ochosi> not for this problem
[22:27] <Markopotomus> ah
[22:27] <ochosi> even though it might help, the problem is too trivial to do an upgrade
[22:27] <ochosi> well, have a look at the rights management in the man-page of mount ("man mount" in the terminal)
[22:27] <Markopotomus> right. But there are other problems - the xfce4 panel keeps crashing
[22:28] <Markopotomus> Which is not something my mum is ever going to be able to figure out how to get out of.
[22:28] <ochosi> Markopotomus, yeah, for that you can do an upgrade. the panel (amongst other things) has become a *lot* more stable
[22:28] <Markopotomus> ah, cool
[22:29]  * Markopotomus - man mounting (*ahem*)
[22:29] <Markopotomus> Erm... that's just printed one massive load of text in the terminal
[22:30] <ochosi> ok, i'll have a quick look at that
[22:31] <Markopotomus> It looks like a standard document rather than anything specific to this machine? 1536 lines...
[22:31] <Markopotomus> dunno which bit to copy.
[22:31] <ochosi> no, well it's a manual. a generic one for this version of mount
[22:31] <ochosi> the option "-w" gives you read/write access, even though it should be default you could try it
[22:32] <ochosi> so first you have to know the device name
[22:32] <ochosi> like /dev/sdb1
[22:32] <Markopotomus> Oh, the synopsis;
[22:32] <Markopotomus> ah right
[22:33] <Markopotomus> I, erm... sorry, how do I get it to tell me about my drives?
[22:34] <ochosi> as long as the harddrive is mounted in thunar simply try the "mount" command without any options
[22:34] <Markopotomus> oh yep
[22:34] <ochosi> that should tell you mountpoints and device-nodes
[22:34] <Markopotomus> I do see
[22:35] <Markopotomus> It would be especially helpful if it also told me how big each one was, so I could differentiate between them :s
[22:36] <Markopotomus> ah, I see, it's ﻿ /dev/sdb1
[22:36] <Markopotomus> erm... I mean /dev/sdb5
[22:37] <ochosi> does the drive have more than one partition?
[22:38] <ochosi> or do you have more than one usb-drive connected at the same time?
[22:39] <Markopotomus> ah, sorry... Im not being clear here. There are two 80 gig hard drives. THe secondary is split into 2 40gig partitions, one of which has Xubuntu. I'm trying to backup from that partition to a USB hard drive.
[22:39] <Markopotomus> just one USB hard drive.
[22:40] <ochosi> alright
[22:40] <carlis> I am installig xubunte and take time
[22:41] <ochosi> Markopotomus, i just realized you could also try to change the ownership of the folder
[22:41] <Markopotomus> which one?
[22:41] <ochosi> Markopotomus, try to do a "sudo chown $USER /media/$MOUNTPOINT"
[22:41] <Markopotomus> ooh it says access read only :s
[22:42] <ochosi> Markopotomus, that would give your user ownership of the folder and with that you could change the rights (even in thunar)
[22:43] <ochosi> Markopotomus, access read only doesn't matter. thunar has a rights-management different that doesn't necessarily reflect the mount-options
[22:43] <Markopotomus> ok
[22:43] <Markopotomus> just doing
[22:45] <Markopotomus> erm, the USB hard drive name has gaps in it, how do I get that working as a terminal command? Or should I be using its mount path wosname (sdb5)?
[22:45] <Markopotomus> Underscores?
[22:46] <ochosi> you should be using the folder name of the drive
[22:46] <ochosi> just navigate to it in thunar and look at the location bar
[22:46] <Markopotomus> yeah, that's what I've done - there are spaces in the name though
[22:47] <ochosi> i see
[22:47] <Markopotomus> Sorry to be so dumb with this - do the $symbols stay or go
[22:47] <ochosi> so either put quotation marks " around or escape the space with a backslash before it \
[22:48] <Markopotomus> right
[22:48] <ochosi> don't worry, it's okl
[22:48] <Markopotomus> cheers ;)
[22:49] <Markopotomus> ok, that seems to have done something
[22:49] <ochosi> so right-click the folder and try to change the permissions
[22:49] <ochosi> and maybe that would change your permissions on the drive
[22:49] <Markopotomus> chown: changing ownership of <path> Read-only file system
[22:51] <artistxe> yeah. what's up with ppl not knowing basic terminal here ? doesn't xubuntu come with resources/help files ?
[22:52] <Markopotomus> artistxe: it's a little hard to access them when the xfce panel has crashed and, if people are helpful, it's tends to make things a lot more condusive.
[22:53] <ochosi> Markopotomus, so?
[22:53] <Markopotomus> I have to say, the quality of the community is pretty outstanding, on the whole. People are brilliantly helpful.
[22:53] <ochosi> does that mean it worked?
[22:54] <Markopotomus> ochosi: Ah, Im not sure it has, unfortunately. It *says* read and write in its properties, however I don't seem to be able to actually make files there.
[22:54] <artistxe> not you Markopotomus  . just have been noticing lately just how many ppl do not know command yet. even basic commands. always happy to help when I can , but I would hope it would be one of the first things a newbie would tackle
[22:54] <Markopotomus> artistxe: where would you suggest someone go to get a grip on basic syntax?
[22:54] <ochosi> Markopotomus, well, it should be still group "root". change that. and change the rest of the permissions to very promiscuous
[22:55] <Markopotomus> ochosi: oo-er.
[22:55] <artistxe> so many places. there are alot of files you can do a pdf search on. I have even found copies of "Unix in a Nutshell" freely available out there.
[22:56] <artistxe> http://www.ss64.com/bash/
[22:56] <Markopotomus> artistxe: thing is, I've looked but even so, I've learnt far more by annoying people in chat rooms.
[22:57] <Markopotomus> artistxe: However, I would like to learn more, so cheers, I'll check that link.
[22:57] <artistxe> :)
[22:57] <Markopotomus> oh, useful indeed :)
[22:58] <ochosi> Markopotomus, so that didn't have any effect?
[22:58] <ochosi> Markopotomus,
[22:58] <Markopotomus> ochosi: actually, I dont seem to be able to edit the permisions :s
[22:58] <artistxe> http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/cmd/    then you can move up to that
[22:58] <ochosi> Markopotomus, but you should be the owner now, are you not?
[22:58] <Markopotomus> artistxe: ta muchly
[22:59] <Markopotomus> ochosi: I'd have thought so - but, erm... Im not quite sure what ideas the drive has :s
[22:59] <ochosi> Markopotomus, anyways, another way would be to go straight from the terminal with "sudo chmod 777 /media/$MOUNTPOINT"
[22:59] <ochosi> Markopotomus, did the chown commmand give you any output?
[23:00] <Markopotomus> yep
[23:00] <Markopotomus> changing permisions etc... read only file system
[23:00] <ochosi> ah right
[23:00] <ochosi> that means you had an error in your syntax
[23:00] <ochosi> post the command you used
[23:00] <ochosi> the complete one
[23:00] <Markopotomus> irena@sita:~$ sudo chmod 777 /media/"Rena ExtHD"
[23:00] <Markopotomus> chmod: changing permissions of `/media/Rena ExtHD': Read-only file system
[23:01] <ochosi> ah right, that looks ok, somehow.
[23:01] <ochosi> well let's start again with the unmounting of the drive
[23:01] <ochosi> just unmount it in thunar
[23:01] <sober_> anyone else having problems with new xubuntu saving resolution settings?
[23:01] <ochosi> Markopotomus, then create a directory (like /media/rena)
[23:02] <artistxe> Markopotomus, trying to change permissions of a dir ?
[23:02] <ochosi> Markopotomus, oh, right. use -R
[23:02] <Markopotomus> artistxe: just trying to get a USB hard drive to be writeable.
[23:02] <ochosi> artistxe, thanks for the attentive reading :)
[23:02] <artistxe> blow me ;)
[23:02] <artistxe> :)
[23:03] <Markopotomus> ochosi: on my way
[23:03] <artistxe> yes. and is -R
[23:03] <ochosi> Markopotomus, like in: sudo chmod -R 777 /media/"Rena ExtHD"
[23:03] <sober_> xubuntu 9.04 does not save my resolution and refresh settings after restart
[23:04] <Markopotomus> ochosi: I er... dont appear to be able to create a folder in /media/ ?
[23:05] <ochosi> well, obviously you gotta use "sudo" for that, you *usually* don't have much more than read-rights in folders other than home
[23:06] <Markopotomus> oh, right, right, I was in thunar there
[23:06] <artistxe> instead of sudo mkdir you could always sudo thunar as well.
[23:07] <SiDi> artistxe: no
[23:07] <sober_> ?
[23:07] <SiDi> gksudo thunar * and avoid it anyways :)
[23:08] <SiDi> sudo thunar will modify your config files and set their owner to root, then if you change your settings afterwards it wont be saved
[23:08] <artistxe> I do avoid it. never a REASON TO USE IT
[23:08] <artistxe> sorry for the caps
[23:08] <SiDi> artistxe: then dont advertise it without warning ^^
[23:08] <artistxe> oh. and there you go. I assumed incorrectly. my bad. again . I never use it that way anyway
[23:09] <artistxe> you are right. mybad
[23:09] <sober_> xubuntu 9.04 does not save my resolution and refresh settings after restart
[23:10] <SiDi> sober_: gpu drivers imho :)
[23:11] <sober_> SiDi, that doesn't even come close to making anysense
[23:11] <SiDi> graphics card drivers, in my humble opinion.
[23:11] <sober_> i know what you mean but thats not even close
[23:12] <SiDi> What gpu do you have ?
[23:12] <SiDi> and xubuntu version, too ?
[23:12] <sober_> SiDi, we are talknig about saving settings not higher resolution
[23:12] <sober_> read the question
[23:14] <SiDi> sober_..
[23:14] <SiDi> The first symptom of wrongly setup GPU drivers = resolution not saved
[23:14] <SiDi> thats my 2 cents.
[23:14] <SiDi> either, hardcode it to your xorg.conf
[23:15] <DarkTan> what is the command in install xfce?
[23:15] <SiDi> from Ubuntu ?
[23:16] <SiDi> sudo aptitude install xfce4 (only xfce) / xubuntu-desktop (xfce + all the xfce4 packages you'll need + sexy artwork and other apps you may need in an xfce session)
[23:17] <sober_> SiDi, you should change your nick to captain obvious
[23:17] <JPohlmann> sober_: You should be more polite.
[23:17] <sober_> JPohlmann, if an old lady ask you to help her cross the street would you verbally tell her how to walk?
[23:18] <SiDi> sober_: when you first came in the channel, i asked you about your gpu drivers. You didn't give me any info that could have helped me to inform you about currently known GPU drivers issues. The main and almost only case of "resolution not saved" is GPU drivers issue. The only other possible one that i can think of is permission problems.
[23:18] <Markopotomus> :s
[23:19] <sober_> because its not the gpu dude seriously honestly there is no specific and or modified driver for this chip
[23:19] <JPohlmann> sober_: I'd know that she has walked on her feet her whole life. Nobody in here can guess how many experience with Linux you have. So don't be rude to people who try to help you.
[23:19] <sober_> piss offf
[23:19] <JPohlmann> Even if those people are wrong.
[23:19] <SiDi> bah :P
[23:19] <Markopotomus> Eee. Poor dude must be stressed out.
[23:20] <Markopotomus> I, er... still dont appear to be able to write to this here USB hard drive.
[23:22] <DarkTan> Sidi, thx
[23:26] <ochosi> Markopotomus, ok, where in the list of advice i gave you are you? :)
[23:26]  * Markopotomus cries on ochosi's shoulder some more
[23:27] <Markopotomus> I, erm... I got confused round about the mkdir thing, having unmounted the usb hard drive...
[23:27]  * ochosi is fortunately used to that
[23:28] <ochosi> k, so let's pick it up there
[23:28] <Markopotomus> righto
[23:28] <ochosi> so, have you created a directory?
[23:28] <Markopotomus> yus
[23:28] <Markopotomus> /media/rena/
[23:28] <ochosi> good. so now you can mount the drive to there, with something like "mount -w /dev/sdb* /media/rena"
[23:29] <ochosi> where * is the number that i can't remember now
[23:29] <Markopotomus> 5
[23:29] <ochosi> k
[23:29] <Markopotomus> ooer crazy stuff
[23:30] <Markopotomus> Failed to mount blahblah.. Operation not supported. Mount is denied because NTFS is marked to be in use...
[23:30] <zerothis> so, if I make a live CD partition on a USB drive using unetbootin, then xubuntu on a 2nd partition of the drive. Will both be options in grub?
[23:31] <Markopotomus> mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb5 /media/rena -o force ?
[23:31] <ochosi> Markopotomus, so the drive is ntfs?
[23:31] <Markopotomus> ochi ah, I imagine it probably is, yeah
[23:31] <ochosi> i wouldn't force it
[23:31] <SiDi> i would
[23:32] <ochosi> :)
[23:32] <Markopotomus> ochi - I certainly didnt format the USB hard drive to ext3 or anything
[23:32] <SiDi> always happens when a ntfs part isnt properly unmounted
[23:32] <SiDi> usually usb drives are vfat16 though.
[23:32] <ochosi> haven't used ntfs partitions for ages :D
[23:32] <SiDi> (mine was ext3 but i killed its MBR)
[23:32] <Markopotomus> woo
[23:33] <Markopotomus> Sooo... erm. if I'm not forcing it, is there a way to suggest politely but firmly?
[23:33] <ochosi> hihi
[23:34] <ochosi> well, force it. maybe try to add the -w just to be sure
[23:34] <zerothis> Windows drives are easily destroyed by *normal* use, I'd force it. but i'd be aware that it may never be useable again
[23:34] <Markopotomus> How to add the -w? mount -tw ntfs-3g /dev/sdb5 /media/rena -o force
[23:34] <Markopotomus> ieee
[23:34] <Markopotomus> My mum'd go spare if I wrote of her USB HDD.
[23:35] <Markopotomus> All I'm trying to do is back up her work :p
[23:35] <Markopotomus> *wrote off
[23:35] <ochosi> no, separately. like mount -w -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb5 /media/rena -o force
[23:35] <Markopotomus> righto then
[23:35] <Markopotomus> and... sudo it?
[23:36] <carlis> sidi I don`t receive answer of them why ?
[23:36] <ochosi> if it doesn't make you a sandwich then "sudo" it. like here: http://xkcd.com/149/
[23:36] <SiDi> carlis: huh ?
[23:36] <Markopotomus> best comic ever.
[23:37] <carlis> i wrote them last thursday
[23:37] <SiDi> oh, the install team
[23:37] <SiDi> well, wait a few days
[23:37] <carlis> about the ubiquity isuue
[23:37] <SiDi> try launchpad questions+answers too
[23:37] <zerothis> Markopotomus: did you try making a dd image of the drive"? you can mess with the dd image without worry (except for lost time)
[23:37] <SiDi> there might be more people reading there
[23:38] <Markopotomus> zerothis: nope! A dd image?
[23:38] <Markopotomus> ochosi: Oho! I appear to be able to write stuff!
[23:38] <carlis> how do i go launchpad question+answer ?
[23:38] <ochosi> Markopotomus, two thumbs up :)
[23:38] <SiDi> carlis: https://answers.launchpad.net
[23:39] <zerothis> i think it stands for device dump. basically its a hardware level copy of a device, in this case, a hard drive. let me look up the command line real quick
[23:40] <Markopotomus> ochosi: Cheeeeeeeeeeeeers so much for all your help there, that's ace :)
[23:40] <SiDi> ochosi: i almost bought the t-shirt of this comic
[23:41] <SiDi> but the shipping fees were more expensive than the shirt T_T
[23:41] <Markopotomus> ochosi: Actually, there's another puzzle which is somewhat getting to me right now. Thing is, I'm pretty sure my mum has a load of stuff on this computer however I can only find three files. So either there's load of stuff hidden from me, or she has inadvertently deleted it all.
[23:41] <Markopotomus> ochosi: I really don't think she's done that. I'm just puzzled as to where it's all gone.
[23:42] <ochosi> Markopotomus, strg + h toggles hide/show hidden files in thunar
[23:42] <SiDi> Markopotomus: then the _last_ thinkg you should do is mounting the usb drive with write access
[23:42] <carlis> sidi the page you gave me, I was looking for it and the webpage say it There are no questions matching "ubiquity issue" with the requested statuses.
[23:42] <SiDi> so i suggest you unmount it before linux creates files, and you run a windows app to retrieve deleted files on ntfs partitions :)
[23:42] <zerothis> dd if=/dev/sdb conv=sync,noerror bs=64K | gzip -c > /mnt/sda1/sdb.img.gz
[23:42] <SiDi> the more you'll write on it, the less there will be files that can be saved back
[23:42] <ochosi> Markopotomus, for the rest i can only say from my own xp that mothers and pcs are a difficult issue...
[23:43] <Markopotomus> ochosi: *checks recycle bin* *hyperventilates for a second* *ohgodseriouslymumwhatareyoudoing*
[23:43] <SiDi> carlis: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubiquity/+addquestion
[23:43] <Markopotomus> Ok, mystery solved, albeit in a rather scary way :|
[23:44] <SiDi> carlis: describe your problem with as many details as you can, and wait for an answer. There are not many people working on ubiquity, thus it takes them time to answer.
[23:44] <SiDi> Markopotomus: she trashed every file ? :D
[23:44] <Markopotomus> SiDi: It seriously looks like it. It's too wierd. She's not THAT much of a n00b, I just dont understand it.
[23:45] <SiDi> my boss once deleted a lot of important files by accident
[23:45] <ochosi> Markopotomus, no, she's not a n00b, she's a mum :)
[23:45] <SiDi> and he had his trash to auto empty every morning
[23:45] <zerothis> that command copies the drive to a compressed file, bit-for-bit. small easy to copy and move. you can also mount it as a drive or write it to another hard drive. the command also skips errors, substituting dummy data so the image is a funtional drive
[23:45] <SiDi> _and_ we were using his pc as a file server for the company's needs
[23:45] <SiDi> i was so launghing the next morning :D
[23:45] <Markopotomus> wow
[23:47] <Markopotomus> zerothis: Interesting. Will try to remember that one.
[23:47] <zerothis> http://linuxweblog.com might have more info about dd images and tricks
[23:50] <zerothis> note that the command does nothing about existing errors on the original drive (other than 'band aid' the damed area so its nolonger an 'error'), so if there are files in the damaged area, they are lost. Hopefully, everything you need to keep is not on the damaged areas
[23:54] <Markopotomus> groovy
[23:54] <Markopotomus> however, I'm knackered now. Must sleep. Thanks for the help all, particuarly ochosi :)
[23:54] <Markopotomus> nn
[23:54] <ochosi> Markopotomus, you're welcome
[23:54] <ochosi> too late :)
[23:55] <Balrog_> hi ...
[23:56] <Balrog_> I try printing from evince and nothing happens (xubuntu 8.10)
[23:56] <Balrog_> printing works fine in firefox
[23:56] <Balrog_> and openoffice
[23:56] <carlis> How do i setting up the keyboard in xubuntu ?
[23:57] <vidd> Balrog_, you have e2ps installed?
[23:58] <Balrog_> no ... would that prevent a pdf from printing?
[23:58] <vidd> e2ps = everything to post script
[23:59] <carlis> How do i setting up the keyboard in xubuntu ?
[23:59] <vidd> it was needed to get other apps to print correctly in the past
[23:59] <vidd> carlis, did you ever get your system to actually install?