[00:03] <DanaG> yeah... because it's broken.  =t
[00:03] <DanaG> =þ
[00:42] <thewrath> hey all
[00:42] <ienorand> thewrath: Welcome to the void
[00:43]  * genii makes more coffee
[00:45] <thewrath> the void lol
[01:53] <arooni-mobile> seems like jaunty and intel graphics cards dont take well together...........  shold i just wait for next release?  (http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Ubuntu_9.04_(Jaunty_Jackalope)_on_a_ThinkPad_T61)
[01:55] <ienorand> arooni-mobile: This is the channel for Karmic atm... and have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/IntelPerformance and possibly downgrade the driver as per description by the end.
[01:55] <arooni-mobile> i'm wondering if karmic will have better intel support
[01:57] <ienorand> arooni-mobile: They are definitely working on improving them, and trying to get those fixes into jaunty as well... best is to follow the bug reports closely and see what's going on, it is likelythat if they get things working in Karmic, it will be backported to jaunty as well...
[01:59] <arooni-mobile> man i hope so
[01:59] <arooni-mobile> i like being able to upgrade and i hate being treated like a scond class ctizen by running a laptop
[02:07] <ienorand> arooni-mobile: Laptops are inherently trickyer hardware-wise, mostly since it's less standardized. But as I said, if you want you could go for jaunty and downgraded drivers, seems to work for several.
[02:07] <arooni-mobile> yes;  i think i'll wait until that gets fixed in mainline
[02:43] <xxploit> question for those using karmic atm, has plymouth and the new login manager been put in alrdy?
[02:45] <wirechief_> arooni-mobile: seems to be working pretty stable now with the latest fixs
[03:11] <sebsebseb> hi
[03:24] <DanaG> xxploit: looks like "not yet" on gdm and plymouth.
[09:23]  * maxb is amused at aptitude's suggestion
[09:23] <maxb> 2 installs 289 removals
[09:35] <BUGabundo> maxb: lol
[09:35] <BUGabundo> i guess stuff that arent yet on the repos
[09:35] <BUGabundo> or were removed
[10:18] <xerox1> does anybody know when the first iso-version of karmic will be available?
[10:18] <rski> xerox1: probably beta1
[10:18] <xerox1> ah, okay
[10:18] <xerox1> thx
[10:18] <maxb> Hm? Aren't there isos for alphas too?
[10:19] <BUGabundo> rski: u mean alpha1
[10:19] <maxb> There will definitely be isos before beta
[10:19] <maxb> that would be far too late to start iso testing
[10:20] <xerox1> good; this time i would like to use isos instead of upgrading
[10:20] <BUGabundo> xerox1: u can easily get the netboot iso and start  a KVM or VM ...
[10:21] <maxb> xerox1: But why?
[10:21] <xerox1> yeah, realised a few weeks ago that there are netboot isos...didnt know that before
[10:22] <xerox1> maxb, testing jaunty was sometimes painful by upgrading...had several issues just because of upgrading
[10:22] <BUGabundo> and KVM is so easy to do
[10:23] <xerox1> with an iso they should not occure
[10:23] <BUGabundo> oh u are so mistaken
[10:23] <BUGabundo> i've had so many troubles to get ISOs to work
[10:23] <BUGabundo> thats why they also need testing
[10:23] <xerox1> really?
[10:23] <BUGabundo> sure
[10:24] <xerox1> so one more task on my list
[10:24] <BUGabundo> not booting, lack of kernel, fail to support some FSs
[10:24] <BUGabundo> fail to set the user correctly, fail to show the map
[10:24] <BUGabundo> etc
[10:24] <BUGabundo> and this was only during jaunty
[10:24] <hifi> show the map?
[10:24] <BUGabundo> now add all other releases
[10:24] <hifi> oh, you are not talking about the netboot iso
[10:24] <BUGabundo> hifi: the global location map
[10:24] <BUGabundo> hifi: no
[10:25] <BUGabundo> hifi: the desktop livecd
[10:25] <xerox1> hm, greatest trouble was cause by xorg changes at my system
[10:25] <BUGabundo> i really should test the alternate iso too, more times
[10:25] <BUGabundo> last cycle i just tested Final
[10:28] <maxb> Hmm, if we're lucky, the supported-architecture buildds might just have caught up in another day
[11:34] <OldGuest> hi
[11:35] <shadeslayer> !hi | OldGuest
[11:35] <OldGuest> :)
[11:36]  * shadeslayer wonders what in store for Karmic
[11:38] <OldGuest> ubottu tell last update / fix release date for ubuntu 9.0
[11:56] <BUGabundo> need a bug confirmation: change your to be the same pass but add a few NUMBERs to the end!
[12:40] <mib_yt0bx0> in karmci till now is the updatte-manager popunder situation fixed?
[12:41] <BUGabundo> mib_yt0bx0: it wont be! its a "feature"!
[12:43] <mib_yt0bx0> BUGabundo: but i think i read somewhere taht after all the complaints tehy agreed taht they must change it someway and make it more tolerable
[12:47] <BUGabundo> mib_yt0bx0: i havent read the entire bug, but after 2 WontFix from Mark, i dont see it changing
[13:54] <xray7224> hey
[14:59] <shadeslayer> oops
[14:59] <shadeslayer> wrong channel
[16:07] <rski> opsiie
[16:32] <rski> what insurance cover's usage of karmic
[16:32] <rski> maybe it could be a niche?
[16:32]  * rski starts the buisness
[18:10] <calc> is there some way to make pidgin autostart on log in?
[18:13] <pwnguin> yes?
[18:13] <pwnguin> system->preference->startup application
[18:14] <pwnguin> then drag and drop a pidgin icon
[18:15] <calc> ah ok, thanks
[18:15] <pwnguin> i worry for the next generation...
[18:17] <calc> i recalled that session saving doesn't actually work (or didn't) and didn't know if there was a replacement for the .x(files)
[18:28] <kklimonda> hey everyone..
[20:26] <rski> hey.
[20:28] <ienorand> rski: Welcome to the Void
[20:31]  * genii makes more coffee
[21:01] <rski> moar? are you insane
[21:02] <rski> 2cups for me and im up like 3hours extra ;/
[21:25] <chx> hi. i am running konversation kde 4 on Jaunty, installed the deb from Debian experimental. please give us back konversation instead of quassel in karmic. thx.
[21:25] <pwnguin> heh
[21:25] <rski> right on topic
[21:26] <pace_t_zulu> anyone here familiar with build dependencies for debuild or pdebuild?
[21:26] <pwnguin> is konversation not installable in jaunty?
[21:26] <rski> debian binaries not supported in ubuntu
[21:26] <chx> might not be
[21:26] <chx> but it works and works well
[21:26] <rski> good for you
[21:26] <chx> what i am reporting is, there is a konversation for kde4 and works already.
[21:26] <rski> report it to debian or kde upstream then
[21:27] <pwnguin> i guess i dont understand
[21:27] <pwnguin> theres' a konversatino package in jaunty
[21:27] <chx> rski: how/where?
[21:27] <chx> pwnguin: KDE3
[21:27] <rski> hm i dont know reallty but i know debian and kde have a bugzilla
[21:27] <chx> pwnguin: this is KDE4 i am talking of
[21:27] <rski> might be a start
[21:27] <chx> right but ... erm, this is not a bugreport :D
[21:27] <rski> :)
[21:27] <pwnguin> sure it is
[21:27] <rski> feature request?
[21:28] <pwnguin> its a bug if it's not usable in kde4
[21:29] <chx> it is, it's a kde3 app http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/konversation
[21:29] <chx> what i am saying is that http://packages.debian.org/experimental/konversation works in jaunty w/o any problems.
[21:29] <pwnguin> chx: what you might do is ask (politely, and without demands) what can be done to fix this for karmic, and if its possible to backport to jaunty
[21:30] <pwnguin> chx: that you know of
[21:30] <chx> yes
[21:30] <chx> i tried to ask politely and not demand
[21:30] <pwnguin> its possible kubuntu has done something crazy like leave konversation untouched so kde3 has a viable irc client
[21:31] <pwnguin> anyways, the people who make decisions about kubuntu hide in #kubuntu-devel
[21:35] <chx> ahh thanks
[21:59] <BUGabundo> uhh pidgin crashs when adding a new avatar!
[22:00] <charlie-tca> in karmic? Hello, BUGabundo
[22:00] <BUGabundo> yep
[22:00] <BUGabundo> and nvidia not working! :(
[22:01] <charlie-tca> :(
[22:01] <BUGabundo> getting nvidia-kernel-source to see if that fixes
[22:01] <BUGabundo> grrr dpkg is killing my system
[22:02] <BUGabundo> hello charlie-tca
[22:02] <charlie-tca> doesn't sound stable, huh?
[22:03] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[22:03] <BUGabundo> should it?
[22:03] <charlie-tca> a person can only hope.
[22:03] <BUGabundo> it only gets stable between A1 and A5
[22:03] <BUGabundo> other then that, it sucks
[22:04] <BUGabundo> let me install pidgin-dgb and crash it again
[22:07] <BUGabundo> yay backtrace
[22:07] <BUGabundo> its so good when a bug is reproduclable
[22:08] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/164473/
[22:08] <pwnguin> until its unreproducable on a guest user
[22:09] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:09] <BUGabundo> pwnguin: actually made a new LP user file one bug, and describe the other LOL
[22:09] <BUGabundo> can't test it
[22:10] <BUGabundo> but ntfs-config shares a disk with Guest Session
[22:10] <BUGabundo> must file that bug too
[22:13] <skyjumper> any idea why a system would swap like crazy when swappiness = 0 and there's 926MB of cache?
[22:13] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: pwnguin: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/371898
[22:13] <skyjumper> hoping someone here might know... asked in #linux but they're engaged in mindless holy wars
[22:13] <BUGabundo> skyjumper: cache or swap usage?
[22:14] <charlie-tca> skyjumper: I think it does it because swappiness = 0. Try raising that and see what it does.
[22:14] <skyjumper> 926MB cache, 496MB swap
[22:14] <BUGabundo> ahh
[22:14] <kklimonda> hey BUGabundo :)
[22:14] <skyjumper> charlie-tca: swappiness = 0 should cause *less* swapping
[22:15] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: hey
[22:15] <skyjumper> trying it at 100
[22:16] <charlie-tca> Why not try somethin like 10
[22:16] <skyjumper> the swapping was happening at the default value, whatever that was
[22:16] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: already karmic on vm? :)
[22:16] <skyjumper> so i'm experimenting
[22:17] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: vm? what's that??
[22:17] <BUGabundo> vms are for the wimpe
[22:17] <kklimonda> :D
[23:04] <virtuelv> ok, I know, we've in theory moved on to Karmic here, but #ubuntu is a tad noisy
[23:04] <virtuelv> but is there a particular reason why Jaunty refuses to set a resolution for a display that it did accept in the past?
[23:05] <bazhang> virtuelv, #ubuntu is the spot for these questions; here is for Karmic Koala only
[23:06] <tormod> filing a bug would be an option too
[23:06] <virtuelv> here's the thing, I don't know if it is a bug or not, though
[23:07] <tormod> if your monitor says it can handle a certain resolution and Jaunty won't let you, it's a bug
[23:10] <virtuelv> well, xorg.0.log says it can't, but it used to be able to in the past
[23:11] <charlie-tca> This picks up some of that overflow - ##beginners-help
[23:20] <ienorand> charlie-tca: a channel of 13, desperately needs more advertitsing it seems...
[23:20] <charlie-tca> I see. Well, maybe they are trying
[23:25] <ienorand> charlie-tca: I think few things links to that chan, that's the problem... Almost feel it should be the default, with #ubuntu mentioned in topic instead..
[23:26] <charlie-tca> They gave it out in OpenWeek, I had to hope it was really working
[23:30] <ienorand> Ah, then it wasn't to long ago, hopefully It'll even out as time goes.