[00:01] <ryanprior> LordMetroid: mind you, it's not the artwork that is being done for Ubuntu Main. Canonical does that. We post and discuss community contributions peripheral to the main artwork.
[00:01] <LordMetroid> Yes, I figured so much. Canonical did bring in the main wallpaper though from the community for 9.04 if I remember the mail correctly
[00:02] <LordMetroid> I am using wallpaper the community produced which I think is far superior than the rather bland default
[00:02] <SiDi> For 8.10 afair
[00:02] <SiDi> (Anyways the best one is the Xubuntu one :O knome  ;) )
[00:03] <knome> x.x
[00:28] <SiDi> Night
[03:54] <H_M-Ubuntu> Hey I have a question for GDM themes
[03:55] <H_M-Ubuntu> How do I make the input (Username/password combo) box black background, with white text?
[03:55] <H_M-Ubuntu> Or any color, for that matter.
[04:05] <H_M-Ubuntu> Hmmm apparently, you can't..
[04:05] <H_M-Ubuntu> :(
[09:48] <SiDi> dashua: http://www.2nt.free.fr/host/tmp/HansoXfwm.tar.gz :)
[10:28] <zniavre> hello i got strange behaviour of gnome-apearence-properties i can't update the picture of my theme
[10:28] <zniavre> like that > http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4572/capturexbv.png
[10:28] <zniavre> and all the metacity chooser is as "blank"
[10:29] <zniavre> what could be wrong please?
[10:50] <kwwii> zniavre: a broken theme of some sort perhaps
[10:50] <zniavre> the theme is working great but it's only the thumbnail wrongly displayed
[10:51] <zniavre> may be the way i packaged it ?
[10:51] <zniavre> maybe*
[10:51] <kwwii> not sure
[10:51] <kwwii> maybe there is already a known bug about this somehwere?
[10:51] <zniavre> whith the intrepid of my wife the same package is well displayed
[10:52] <kwwii> I would look in launchpad and gnome bugs
[10:52] <zniavre> ok i will after linch
[10:52] <zniavre> lunch*
[10:52] <zniavre> thank you for answering
[11:48] <SiDi> dashua: ping
[11:53] <SiDi> http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7408/capturemqe.png there are little artifacts on the right side of the terminal windows but it seems to appear with a lot of themes
[13:28] <robsta> hiya
[15:22] <thorwil> hi!
[15:25] <robsta> hi thorwil
[15:31] <thorwil> robsta, hi. writing email
[15:34] <thorwil> kwwii, shall we keep you in CC for css-engine related mail?
[15:35] <thorwil> robsta, there are 2 cases of graphical patterns in pioneer.svg now
[15:36] <thorwil> robsta, for ToggleButton Inconsistent (striped) and for the VScale slider (2x checker)
[15:36] <thorwil> these shouldn't be stretched
[15:37] <thorwil> robsta, any idea how that can be handled?
[15:40] <robsta> thorwil: hmm
[15:41] <robsta> not sure i understand
[15:42] <robsta> thorwil: as long as librsvg can render it we should be able to use it
[15:43] <thorwil> robsta, take the togglebutton. the plain buttons have a simple gradient that can be stretched for any size. the striped togglebutton requires a pattern-fill. the 2 px broad stroke, followed by 2px gap should remain 2 and 2 px
[15:43] <robsta> oh, i see what you mean
[15:43] <robsta> we can use background-repeat
[15:44] <thorwil> robsta, do we need a new plate with a single pattern-element on it?
[15:44] <robsta> but i have to think how this works with the plates
[15:44] <thorwil> heh
[15:46] <thorwil> robsta, the assumption of light straight from above makes these things simpler. ideally, it should be possible to use a pattern with an angled fill. meaning that you can't just use one element, but have to handle geometry and fill separately
[15:47] <thorwil> well, simple case first :)
[15:47] <robsta> thorwil: i have no idea what you mean
[15:47] <robsta> what angle?
[15:48] <thorwil> robsta, rotation of the gradient. meaning a gradient that is anything but exactly horizontal or vertical
[15:49] <robsta> thorwil: unless we get support for css transforms we have to keep background tiles vertically/horizontally aligned
[15:51] <thorwil> robsta, if you look at the checker pattern on the slider, it can't be stretched, it must be repeated to fill an area. but at the same time, if it has a gradient fill, the fill does need to be stretched
[15:54] <robsta> thorwil: you mean compositing of the background?
[15:55] <robsta> e.g. a tiled checker pattern on top of a gradient?
[15:55] <thorwil> as mask on a gradient, you could say
[15:57] <robsta> thorwil: mask?
[15:57] <thorwil> robsta, alpha mask
[15:58] <robsta> thorwil: not sure anything but a plain "combine" can be done in css
[15:58] <robsta> anyway, currently only a single bg image is supported by the css library
[15:59] <thorwil> robsta, could you take geomtry from the file, duplicate it to fill an area and then give it a single gradient fill?
[16:01] <robsta> thorwil: what we could do (after substantial improvements) is drawing arbitrary background-images on top of each other
[16:02] <robsta> e.g. first the background gradient (vertical gradient) with "repeat-x"
[16:02] <robsta> then the checker pattern on top
[16:02] <robsta> tiled, so it repeats in x and y direction
[16:03] <robsta> would that work?
[16:03] <thorwil> the checker pattern would have to have a single color, then. better than nothing, but not good
[16:03] <robsta> why? it can be an arbitrary image
[16:04] <thorwil> because the geometry needs to be tiled, but the gradient fill (if one is involved) needs to be stretched
[16:05] <robsta> you would have 2 different background-images
[16:05] <robsta> on different plates
[16:05] <robsta> one is the gradient, the other the checker patter
[16:05] <robsta> n
[16:06] <thorwil> robsta, what i would want is a gradient fill as base, plus a pattern with its own gradient fill on top ...
[16:07] <robsta> yes, that is (theoretically, in the css3 spec) possible
[16:08] <robsta> thorwil: http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-background/#layering
[16:08] <thorwil> robsta, shall we make that a wishlist item and go with tiling in one direction, fill and geometry at once for now?
[16:08] <robsta> thorwil: yes
[16:09] <SiDi> May I ask what you guys are preparing ? :)
[16:09] <robsta> SiDi: we want to prove people who say gtk theming sucks wrong
[16:10] <thorwil> using css and svg
[16:10] <SiDi> writing a new engine ? :D
[16:10] <robsta> css svg and our awesomeness of course
[16:10] <SiDi> Well, i'll morally support you then :)
[16:11] <robsta> a new engine is part of what we are doing
[16:11] <robsta> thorwil: the problem is that the css parsing library doesn't support those css3 constructs
[16:12] <robsta> thorwil: but i want to write my own css parser anyway, inside libccss
[16:13] <robsta> just that days only have 24h in my timezone :/
[16:13] <thorwil> yeah
[16:15] <thorwil> need more hours and/or more people (well aware of overhead)
[16:15]  * SiDi doesn't have spare time. Neither awesomeness
[16:15]  * thorwil wonders how SiDi manages to hang out here with no spare time
[16:16] <SiDi> IRC is my distraction, thorwil :)
[16:16] <SiDi> currently working on my next exam + writing a project report
[16:16] <SiDi> but i need frequent breaks
[16:22] <robsta> thorwil: maybe we can keep the current plates and use "-moz-image-region" to specify the tile
[16:22] <robsta> for the striped buttons at least
[16:49] <kwwii> thorwil: yes, please, if it is not too much trouble
[20:40]  * thorwil throws wildcards at kwwii for still not being subscribed to all of Artwork on the wiki
[21:56] <dashua> SiDi: Another hack pushed to bzr ;)
[21:56] <SiDi> :)
[21:56] <SiDi> btw, got the xfwm ?
[21:57] <dashua> That pixel bug you're talking about?
[21:57] <dashua> I didn't get a chance to look at it.
[21:57] <SiDi> no thats anyways a xfce bug heh
[21:57] <SiDi> not specific to your theme
[21:58] <SiDi> http://www.2nt.free.fr/host/tmp/HansoXfwm.tar.gz
[21:58] <SiDi> that :p
[21:59] <dashua> Oh nice
[22:06] <SiDi> done with photoshop though :X
[22:06] <SiDi> i needed to do it quick to get a dark xfwm :p
[22:06] <dashua> Moving to opensource tools?
[22:07] <dashua> I don't have photoshop
[22:07] <ryanprior> If anybody is interested in helping the ubuntu game development team create artwork for games, holla.
[22:10] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/13501/screenshot_025_O77Wht.png
[22:10] <dashua> Needs a little love.  I prefer dark, but it seems most people do not.
[22:11] <SiDi> damn i disabled images in firefox due to bandwidth
[22:11] <SiDi> and mibbit puts mini images instead of URIs to images T_T
[22:11] <SiDi> can you write it with a space in the name please dashua ? :P
[22:11] <SiDi> dashua: i'm using inkscape, learning little by little. I use it for graphics in my reports atm
[22:12] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/13501/ screenshot_025_O77Wht.png
[22:12] <SiDi> thanks
[22:13] <dashua> Np
[22:13] <dashua> brb
[22:13] <SiDi> sweet
[23:05] <knome> Daviey, the problem with dark themes is also that if there is lots of quite similar dark tones, many people can't see the difference their monitor or eyes
[23:05] <knome> dashua, ^
[23:07] <SiDi> dashua: btw, which color is used for the toolbars (the ones with file / edit / display) ? I can't get them to the same colour than the window borders
[23:13] <dashua> SiDi: The menubar?
[23:13] <dashua> On which theme?
[23:14] <dashua> #202020
[23:14] <SiDi> Hanso
[23:14] <dashua> oh
[23:14] <SiDi> It seems its a mix of the primary colors
[23:14] <SiDi> cause i changed them and it didnt have much effect
[23:14] <SiDi> (or i did something wrong :p)
[23:14] <dashua> #231D13
[23:15] <SiDi> wee :D
[23:15] <dashua> File > Edit > Search > View, etc.  That's the menubar
[23:15] <dashua> Cool
[23:16] <dashua> Hanso is still my favorite out of the Karmic-Themes
[23:17] <dashua> 4 weeks and I'm still using it.  Record here.
[23:17] <SiDi> Its a fork of Rust, right ?
[23:17] <dashua> Yeah, sort of
[23:17] <SiDi> yah they usually move fast here too, but i feel this one'll stay
[23:17] <knome> SiDi, wait for the official xubuntu theme ;)
[23:18] <dashua> Xubuntu is blue, right?
[23:18] <knome> ...maybe.
[23:18] <knome> we/i don't know yet.
[23:19] <SiDi> dashua: though the scrollbar is quite tiny, and thus the arrow part doesnt look great here
[23:19] <SiDi> i'd love to see a fork of dust 0.3's scrollbars, in a darker color
[23:20] <SiDi> well, dark bar and light bar background, cause it also breaks the layout of GUIs with a scrollbar in the middle
[23:20] <SiDi> due to the color contrast
[23:20] <dashua> I'm working on new scrollbars for Dust.  Kido wanted a lighter version of the Hanso scrollbars.
[23:20] <dashua> He reverted back to .3's
[23:20] <SiDi> these were awesome though :)
[23:21] <SiDi> really one of my favourite things on dust
[23:21] <dashua> The new series is all murrine based
[23:21] <dashua> .4
[23:32] <savvas> now make an dedust-ubuntu map for counter strike and that's it! :P
[23:33] <SiDi> and terrorists work at MS ?
[23:33] <SiDi> and counter are the guys of the MOTU Team ?
[23:34] <savvas> now that would be a nice game haha
[23:34] <savvas> imagine the players to be ninjas throwing "ubuntu" stars :P
[23:35] <savvas> I mean those 3-bladed knives, or whatever they're called
[23:35] <SiDi> shurikens
[23:35] <SiDi> ninja stars are the 8 side ones afair
[23:36] <savvas> well we'll have our own ubuntu ones :P
[23:36] <dashua> SiDi: http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/13502/ screenshot_026_GaR40N.png
[23:36] <dashua> ?
[23:37] <SiDi> dashua: sorry but i dont think it fits the theme :)
[23:37] <dashua> Too light?
[23:38] <SiDi> Hanso is a smooth theme, this is a "metallic" scrollbar. I'd more see this in the theme which pic you saw me earlier
[23:38] <SiDi> too "squared"
[23:38] <SiDi> it doesnt fit with the roundness of the theme and the smoothness of the colors
[23:39] <dashua> Lighter scrollbar and darker through you think?
[23:39] <SiDi> yeh
[23:39] <SiDi> not thiner though :p
[23:39] <SiDi> more discrete
[23:40] <dashua> Ok
[23:42] <dashua> I'm wondering if I should stay with the pixmap engine for the scrollbars? It's just so much faster when scrolling.
[23:43] <dashua> Than the engines scrollbars itself.
[23:44] <SiDi> dunno ^^
[23:45] <dashua> I can make a round scrollbar with murrine, its just slow.
[23:47] <SiDi> what if you do it with the pixmap engine then ?
[23:47] <SiDi> i really don't know much about engines
[23:55] <dashua> Yeah, I will probably stay with the pixma engine for the scrollbars.
[23:55] <dashua> Murrine is for everything else.