[00:20] <brian___> hey everyone, having a problem installing ubuntu via wubi - can someone help?
[00:21] <brian___> when i go to run wubi on an older xp machine, i get the following error message: "this application has failed to start. reinstalling the application may fix this problem." any ideas how to get around this?
[12:22] <flower> hi, is it possible to ad d-i to an already finished ubuntu live-cd?
[12:25] <flower> it's an custom live-cd made by live-helper
[12:25] <flower> but live-helper doesn't support adding d-i to ubuntu live cd's atm
[12:25] <flower> so I'm searching for an other way to do it...
[12:26] <flower> would be better if it's was possible with live-helper, but that doesn't be the case right now
[12:45] <persia> flower, live-helper isn't really well supported in Ubuntu.
[12:45] <persia> The recommended way to handle live installation is through the use of ubiquity.
[12:47] <persia> And adding handling for new d-i components in ubiquity must be done before building ubiquity (it involves code changes), and so is a little complicated to add to an already-constructed live-cd.
[12:47] <flower> persia: I know, but I know how to work with live-helper so I thought let's use it...
[12:47] <flower> mmhhh
[12:47] <persia> flower, I can understand that viewpoint: as much as anything, I'm just warning you that you may not find much support for it here.
[12:48] <flower> persia: ok...
[12:48] <flower> persia: which tool do you recommend to build an ubuntu-live cd?
[12:49] <persia> I use debian-cd.
[12:49] <persia> (as does the Ubuntu CD image build server)
[12:49] <flower> persia: does it have good documentation?
[12:49] <flower> persia: easy to use?
[12:49] <persia> Well, that kinda depends on how well you read makefiles :)
[12:50] <persia> I think it's easy to develop against, but I'm not as convinced it's easy to use.
[12:50] <flower> are there other options?
[12:51] <persia> I don't know of any.
[12:51] <persia> What's your goal?
[12:52] <flower> build an distro based on hardy. for making music, easy to use...
[12:52] <flower> distribute it to people
[12:53] <persia> Are you familiar with the Ubuntu Studio project?
[12:54] <flower> yes
[12:55] <persia> I'm excessively biased, but I'd encourage you to join forces with them.
[12:55] <persia> The main argument against having a liveCD for that was that the performance for most audio generation applications in a liveCD environment was unacceptable.
[12:56] <flower> yeah a live-cd should have to goal to make a 'preview' able, not to use it as live cd for music production....
[12:57] <persia> Right.  But if you just want to do a liveCD based on hardy, and want to do something beyond that available through preseeding, I'd suggest you'd want to look at casper, ubiquity, livecd-rootfs, and debian-cd.
[12:58] <flower> ok
[13:01] <flower> 4 different tools?
[13:02] <flower> is there some documentation how to make such an cd?
[13:02] <flower> (btw I'm building packages for Debian Multimedia Team, so Ubuntu Studio will benefit from that too ;) )
[13:04] <persia> I don't know of any specific documentation on how to make such a CD.  I mostly gathered what I know about it from reading the code and examining existing CDs.
[13:05] <persia> (well, and making mistakes, and finding the related bugs)
[13:13] <flower> ok thanks... I'll check it out
[13:17] <flower> persia: is there an ubuntu list or irc which can give some support on the tools?
[13:21] <persia> Sure.  This is the right channel to ask about any of those, or ubuntu-installer@lists.ubuntu.com
[13:22] <persia> Or at least I think so.  I've gotten some support here, although people are busy, so sometimes it takes a while.
[13:24] <flower> ok thanks for your time then ;)
[13:27] <persia> No problem.  I'm happy to help, but I'm not much of an expert.
[15:39] <flower> persia: debian-cd seems to pretty much focused on debian right? How to use it for ubuntu in a good way?
[15:40] <flower> persia: btw I found this documentation https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch
[15:40] <flower> but that doesnt use debian-cd.
[15:41] <persia> That article is about customisation.
[15:41] <persia> The documentation for debian-cd is very debian-centric, but the version of debian-cd available in Ubuntu is used to build the live images for Ubuntu.
[15:42] <flower> but in /usr/share/debian-cd itś only debian...
[15:42] <flower> also on Ubuntu
[15:44] <flower> maybe there are some example debian-cd configuration for ubuntu cd's?
[15:46] <flower> btw do you use this documentation for debian-cd? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD
[16:03] <flower> persia: ? ^
[16:04] <persia> I just use the code as documentation (which is part of why I get it wrong sometimes).
[16:05] <persia> The ubuntu-cdimage package has some examples of building CDs, although I don't know how well they work.  Most of my experience comes from making patches and others actually doing the CD builds.
[16:05] <persia> Or just little changes, like the contents of a preseed file and the like.
[16:05] <persia> I don't mean to be unhelpful: it's just that I'm not the best person to answer your questions.
[16:07] <persia> From what I've heard from others, ubuntu-cdimage is too heavy to use for single image builds, but it may provide hints to tell you want to run to use debian-cd.
[16:07] <flower>  ubuntu-cdimage, can't find it on hardy? :/
[16:11] <persia> hrm?
[16:11] <persia> Oh, it's not a package, apparently.  bzr branch lp:ubuntu-cdimage
[16:12] <persia> Sorry for the confusion.
[16:13] <persia> Or hum.
[16:13] <persia> I am doing badly tonight (and should probably go to bed).  See https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage
[16:15] <flower> ah ok
[16:16] <flower> persia: can you use packages from other repos using debian-cd?
[16:17] <flower> persia: custom repo s
[17:11] <corecode> hey
[17:11] <corecode> i was wondering how i could use the guided_size preseed setting
[17:11] <corecode> didn't seem to work for me
[23:14] <cjwatson> corecode: can you give me an example of what you tried (ideally, a full preseed file)?
[23:14] <cjwatson> corecode: oh, also, try adding the DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer boot parameter, and then send me the resulting installer syslog
[23:19]  * cjwatson -> bed