[04:45] <YokoZar> So, it seems like the -virtual kernel is actually the -server kernel in disguise  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/307924  -- my friend has linux-image-virtual and uname -a gives: 2.6.28-11-server #42-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 17 02:48:10 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:46] <ubot3> YokoZar: Error: Could not parse data returned by Malone: The read operation timed out
[04:48] <cooloney> YokoZar, do you mean bug 307924
[04:48] <ubot3> Malone bug 307924 in linux-meta "linux-image-2.6.27(-7)-virtual contains server kernel ..." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/307924
[04:49] <YokoZar> Yes, it appears it's still live in the released Jaunty
[04:49] <YokoZar> He upgraded his 8.10 virtual server to 9.04 and now it has the server kernel
[04:50] <YokoZar> http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/linux-image-virtual --- if you follow that into the current numbered linux-kernel package and do list files you'll see how they're all misnamed
[04:53] <YokoZar> http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/amd64/linux-image-2.6.28-11-virtual/filelist
[05:30] <cooloney> YokoZar, actually, -virtual flavor was removed since Intrepid 810
[05:31] <cooloney> YokoZar, so since Intrepid 810, we use server image for virtual usage
[05:31] <YokoZar> cooloney: shouldn't the -virtual metapackage have been dropped then?
[05:31] <YokoZar> and automatically shifted to -server?
[05:32] <YokoZar> Or is there another reason for keeping the metapackage around? (LTS to LTS update?)
[05:32] <cooloney> YokoZar, i am not sure, but I will ping other guys in kernel team who know this issue
[05:33] <cooloney> YokoZar, linux-meta contains lots of packages which will be discussed in this Karmic UDS
[05:33] <cooloney> some of them might be dropped in the Karmic
[05:34] <YokoZar> ok that makes sense
[05:34] <YokoZar> The bigger problem is that the package description for the -virtual doesn't show that it doesn't exist anymore
[05:34] <YokoZar> eg apt-cache show linux-image-2.6.28-11-virtual
[05:39] <cooloney> YokoZar, i agree, that is very confusing
[06:50] <soren> cooloney, YokoZar: The virtual and server kernels were always almost identical. The only difference was the selection of included modules. In Intrepid we took the natural consequence of that and made the -virtual kernel package use the exact same kernel image, with a stack of modules filtered out.
[06:50] <YokoZar> soren: that makes sense, although my friend got scared by possible breakages when he googled the issue and found that bug report
[06:51] <YokoZar> if it were clear that -virtual was basically nothing special he might not have worried
[06:51] <soren> I'll make a note on the bug.
[06:51] <cooloney> soren, thanks, i understand that
[06:53] <cooloney> soren, so for user space application such as xen-hypervisor-3.3, it is same as -server and -virtual?
[06:59] <soren> cooloney: I'm not completely sure I understand the question, but I think the answer is "yes".
[07:01] <cooloney> soren, since the kernel image is the same for both -server and -virtual, i guess user space application has no difference for this two flavors.
[07:02] <soren> Usually, yes.
[07:02] <cooloney> actually, IIRC, there is a bug for such application xen-hypervisor-3.3, they think we dropped -virtual flavor, which means ubuntu does not support virtual
[07:03] <cooloney> with your help, i can answer that question now, i think
[07:03] <soren> "they"?
[07:03] <cooloney> the bug reporter 
[07:09] <cooloney> sorry, i fail to find the LP bug URL
[07:27] <Z3ro3X> Is there a repo that will allow me to always have the latest stable kernel?
[07:44] <YokoZar> Z3ro3X: define "stable"
[09:58] <mnemo> FYI: this bug report indicates that jaunty probably carries a sauce patch that accidently forces swrast powerbook G4's machines... see discussion here --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/370200 and also this upstream bug --> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21367
[09:58] <ubot3> Malone bug 370200 in mesa "r300 on "PowerBook G4" mac: only swrast after booting and backgrounds render blue instead of black" [Undecided,New] 
[17:19] <G__81> hi everyone 
[18:39] <manjo> ogasawara, ping
[20:28] <shadowland> I'm trying to run "make pdfdocs" on linux kernel directory, but it complains about not having passivetex, which doesn't seem to exist in repositories
[20:28] <shadowland> Anyone know how to build the pdfdocs?