[00:00] <LjL> PROject-Emerald, i suspect the op who banned you is currently away, they will likely be around in an hour or a couple, so perhaps best to come back then
[00:01] <genii> Was elky
[00:05] <PROject-Emerald> ccccombobreaker.
[00:05] <genii> !idle | PROject-Emerald
[00:06] <LjL> *weed* out the idlers, uh genii?
[00:07] <genii> Hehe
[00:08] <genii> Why the hell he started with the factoids beats me. Probably the same substances he's trying to feed his computer is my best guess though
[00:09] <Seeker`> staff are weeeeeeeeeeeeird
[00:25] <genii> Hm. Frooty Loop curnels
[00:33] <genii> That gent_first guy is extremely annoying!
[00:34] <genii> LjL: "excess flood" ?
[00:38] <LjL> genii: it means i spent too much time fiddling with the floodbots according to the freenode useless bot detector
[00:39] <genii> Heh!
[01:39] <genii> Well, some good hockey is on, so I'm out for now. Night.
[01:40] <LjL> good idea
[07:03] <DBO> hey, is anyone in here going to UDS?
[07:47] <Myrtti> hello
[07:48] <popey> morning
[08:21] <bolt_> ikonia:  are you there
[08:23] <BOLT___> is ikonia here???
[08:31] <elky> BOLT___, ikonia is not the one who banned you.
[08:31] <BOLT___> elky: oh was it you then
[08:32] <elky> i banned you because you are unable to follow instructions, including but not limited to 'do not spam our channels with invitations to your channel'
[08:32] <BOLT___> elky: you said a week didn't you 
[08:33] <elky> that was before you spammed #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:34] <BOLT___> elky; which  was an accident 
[08:34] <elky> no it was not.
[08:36] <BOLT___> elky: oh yeah, so when am i unband 
[08:37] <elky> BOLT___, two weeks from now providing you do not do anything else stupid.
[08:38] <BOLT___> elky: your just trying to make me udnerstand what i did 
[08:39] <elky> @mark #ubuntu-ops BOLT___ bolt is not to be unbanned for two weeks. even then it must be with a full two weeks of exemplary behaviour. any more misbehaviour will result in an extention of the ban.
[08:40] <elky> BOLT___, no, i'm trying to reinforce to you that when you do Wrong Things, you lose privileges such as channel participation.
[08:41] <BOLT___> elky like when your stuipid on youtube comments the user bans you
[08:41] <elky> yes.
[08:41] <elky> BOLT___, how old are you?
[08:41] <BOLT___> elky12
[08:42] <BOLT___> elky: 12
[08:42] <elky> i would like it if you asked your mum and dad tonight to explain the differences between rights and responsibilities are, and why people get punished for doing the wrong thing.
[08:43] <elky> because it seems to me that you've missed those vital pieces of social education.
[08:44] <BOLT___> elky: they've told me that over 100 times allready , i'm alwas online, playing videogames, at school. thats all i ever do
[08:45] <elky> BOLT___, do your parents know that it's all you ever do?
[08:46] <BOLT___> elky: yeah
[08:46] <elky> BOLT___, and they dont mind that you're not learning maths or spelling or science?
[08:47] <BOLT___> elky: i only do that at school 
[08:47] <elky> that's not what you said. you said you're always playing computer games. if you're always playing computer games, you cannot also be learning maths or spelling or science.
[08:48] <BOLT___> elky: i ment wen i'm at home
[08:50] <elky> well, it's quite clear that you need to do more spelling homework. consider this ban an opportunity to get your grades up.
[08:51] <BOLT___> elky: i get own work , whitch i only do at school , yes i'm rubbish at spelling
[08:52] <elky> you need to do more studying. this conversation is over
[08:53] <BOLT___> elky: indeed it is
[08:55] <elky> this means it's time for you to leave here until your two weeks is up.
[08:56] <BOLT___> elky: ok see you then , bye
[10:00] <elky> the real owner of the bolt nicks has been informed of bolt's nick squatting, and has battened down his hatches. bolt will likely reappear under a new nick next time he comes on
[11:08] <elky> someone want to remind me how i see the creation date for factoids?
[11:31] <elky> nevermind
[11:32] <gnomefreak> it seems bot doesnt know bugs
[11:33] <gnomefreak> bug 368497
[11:33] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 368497 in acpid "/etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh does not check for KDE 4" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/368497
[11:33] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 368497 in acpid "/etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh does not check for KDE 4" [Undecided,Fix released] 
[11:33] <gnomefreak> what the hell
[11:34] <gnomefreak> it doesnt work in #kubuntu-offtopic
[11:36] <elky> it needs to be enabled for channels
[11:36] <elky> otherwise it goes nuts and chokes on load, or something
[11:36] <elky> !botmasters
[11:36] <elky> hrm, we need that trigger
[11:39] <gnomefreak> what is the @ to login? i knew it yesterday but not today :(
[11:39] <gnomefreak> @login
[11:52] <elky> logging in to which the bot or the bantracker?
[11:58] <gnomefreak> elky: the bot i already did with @login
[11:59] <elky> btlogin is for the bantracker
[12:41] <Pici> Good morning
[14:35] <ikonia> afternoon
[14:47] <elky> seems project_emerald isnt coming back in my non-work waking hours. you'll have to deal with him yourselves. if he decides to acknowledge the guidelines, then let him back in
[14:47] <ikonia> what did he do ?
[14:47] <ikonia> was this the pot in the motherboard guy ?
[14:47] <LjL> yeah i think so :)
[14:48] <ikonia> looks like you had a few crazies in last night
[14:48] <LjL> sorry, i meant, yes, i believe unfortunately it is.
[14:50] <elky> yeah, crazies all round last night
[14:50] <ikonia> had a chuckle at some of the backlog
[14:50] <elky> including the fde stuff?
[14:50] <ikonia> yes, wow, 
[14:52] <elky> also, keep an eye out for bolt with a guest1224344333114145551 nick or another altogether. his speling is the idenfying feeture
[14:53] <Pici> ;)
[14:53] <ikonia> bolt_'s done as far as I'm concerned
[14:54] <ikonia> hopefully he'll find somewhere else to play, it's too much effort to feed his attention craving
[14:55] <elky> sure, but you gotta keep him out somehow
[14:55] <elky> bolt_* is not going to work for guest347380108148103013
[14:55] <ikonia> I've not seen him back in #ubuntu or #kubuntu since the ban
[14:56] <ikonia> una momento 
[14:56] <elky> not for lack of trying
[14:56] <Pici> He was in -ot yesterday.
[14:56] <ikonia> yes, I requested the ban be put in place on that also 
[14:56] <ikonia> due to his behaviour following into -ot
[14:56] <ikonia> "I'm a robot"
[14:56] <ikonia> "I speak dog language" etc etc
[14:57] <ikonia> elky: I updated the bans beyind bolt_ so I was hopeful it would keep him out
[14:57] <elky> i dont think he's actually banned from -ot
[14:57] <ikonia> beyond even
[14:57] <ikonia> he's not banned from -ot - I request it be applied
[14:57] <elky> ikonia, that's fine, except it's a nick that actually belongs to an active person in the debian channels
[14:58] <LjL> so don't ban by nickname?
[14:58] <ikonia> elky: ban not nickbased anymore
[14:58] <elky> LjL, bb.sky.net give a different hash each time
[14:58]  * genii wanders in and brews a fresh pot of coffee
[14:59] <LjL> elky: so ban by nickname as bolt?*!*@*
[15:00] <elky> LjL, he'll be nick-enforced off bolt* now though
[15:00] <LjL> elky: err, i guess he'll be enforced off bolt and bolt_, but not bolt__ etc, which i do think i've seen him using
[15:00] <LjL> what about the ident?
[15:01] <Pici> ikonia suggested *!?=bolt*@*.sky.com
[15:01] <LjL> wfm
[15:01] <ikonia> I've got that in place on the other channels, but I didn't post it in here due to him reading the logs the other day
[15:01]  * Pici shrugs
[15:01] <LjL> Pici: although, i don't believe ikonia could actually suggest a banmask with proper syntax like that. i think you massaged it :P
[15:02] <ikonia> LjL: thanks for the vote of confidence
[15:02] <LjL> yw
[15:03] <ikonia> that was some of my best work ;)
[15:03] <LjL> uh oh
[15:03] <LjL>  /whois bolt-work
[15:03] <elky> LjL, actually, Real Bolt went up to "bolt_____"
[15:03] <ikonia> thats the other guy
[15:04] <LjL> yeah, but he's got a bolt ident, contrary to what he usually has (r00t)
[15:04] <ikonia> the cloaked guy is the debian chap
[15:04] <ikonia> oh yes
[15:04] <ikonia> but he's not on sky - so should be fine
[15:04] <LjL> true
[15:04]  * ikonia swells with pirde
[15:04] <ikonia> pride
[15:04]  * Pici pops ikonia 
[15:04]  * ikonia deflates
[15:05]  * LjL makes it a mission to find something wrong with that banmask
[15:05] <ikonia> hey lunatic has just become active in ##linux 
[15:05] <ikonia> LjL: you will fail !
[15:06] <LjL> lunitik you mean?
[15:06] <ikonia> yes
[15:06] <ikonia> when last we met, I was but the learner, now I am the master </vader> 
[15:06] <LjL> well he's a good chap, it was very nice of him to confirm that fde was him
[15:06] <ikonia> bit silly really
[15:06] <LjL> well not that i had many doubts about it anyway
[15:08] <elky> wow, the year-long hiatus has ended?
[15:08] <LjL> yep elky, very shortly after leaving here yesterday
[15:09] <LjL> he had said here he'd go to fedora
[15:09] <LjL> and he did that
[15:09] <LjL> and resurrected the old nickname in the process
[15:10] <elky> what a terrible loss.
[15:10] <LjL> i'd leave the fedora ops a note but i suppose it's more fair to let them find out
[15:12] <elky> yeah, wouldnt want to ruin their fun
[15:14] <tomaw> what has this user done?
[15:17] <elky> well, this user has been banned in #u and #u-ot at least as long as I can remember because of harassment kind of stuff against seveas.
[15:17] <LjL> tomaw: probably the longest permban ever, also part of the ultimate reason why seveas left the boat. now he was back with another account
[15:18] <LjL> unaffiliated/fde, which he stopped using shortly after we found out
[15:18] <Pici> That was the same person?
[15:18] <LjL> Pici: as lunitik? yes, he is
[15:18] <elky> Pici, how many people with that real name do you know?
[15:18] <Pici> :[
[15:18] <LjL> elky: there's more than the real name to prove it
[15:19] <elky> LjL, i was just summarising
[15:19] <tomaw> then fyi: http://rafb.net/p/g1WT3u98.html
[15:20] <elky> tomaw, we're not asking for a kline per se. we just want to know definitively we're right
[15:20] <tomaw> he confirms it in that log
[15:20] <tomaw> and he confirms that I can share that log with you :)
[15:21] <elky> then may he be happy patronising fedora's users.
[15:22] <ikonia> surley there is ramications on that
[15:22] <ikonia> why would either of them be allowed to have a cloak as he is admiting to ban dodging and telling lies
[15:23] <LjL> tomaw: well, to be completely fair i wasn't around when seveas originally banned him, so i don't know what the reason for that was, and if it was too valid
[15:23] <LjL> tomaw: on the other hand, i didn't investigate him (fde) yesterday out of idle curiosity, but because he was annoying, so there has to be something in it
[15:24] <elky> the whole 'i've been coding for debian longer than you've been alive' kind of attitude was quite toxic. if fedora wants him, they can have him.
[15:24] <ikonia> tomaw: what's freenodes stance on that ?
[15:24] <ikonia> a user bandodging - tellinging lies about it and miss-leading channel staff on purpose ?
[15:25] <tomaw> that it's handled case by case.
[15:25] <ikonia> ok - why is lunatki allowed to have a cloak ?
[15:25] <ikonia> based on the conversations you've just pasted?
[15:26] <LjL> ikonia, you know i'm not particularly fond of the way staff sometimes do things, but then again with people like this, i suspect they know how to ban evade and stuff well enough that just using the hammer would just result in their giving the GNAA a ping or something.
[15:26] <tomaw> it's an ongoing issue, I am still looking
[15:26] <ikonia> LjL: I'm just asking
[15:26] <ikonia> tomaw: thanks, that wasn't a prod, that was a genuine question
[15:26] <LjL> and i'm answering with my own opinion :)
[15:27] <elky> ikonia, he didnt really use the cloak to evade, since my discussions with tomaw last night had no actual link between the accounts until he decided to blow his own cover in terms of host.
[15:27] <tomaw> It's sometimes also worth considering that remove a cloak of a slightly troublesome user can unban them from channels
[15:27] <LjL> tomaw: not that they couldn't join those without the cloak to begin with
[15:27] <tomaw> true
[15:28] <LjL> now my *other* opinion is that a user misusing cloaks like this would deserve having their IPs given out for channels to ban properly
[15:29] <LjL> elky: he didn't? he was in the ubuntu channels to begin with
[15:30] <elky> LjL, under a different nick from a different host, just conveniently also cloaked.
[15:31] <elky> the only link aside from the real name was the creation and idle times.
[15:33] <LjL> elky: look at some more likely lies
[15:33] <genii> Bleh. Allergies this morning here making my head feel like a football. Waiting for Allegra to kick in
[15:34] <elky> LjL, he lied to us and tomaw because he was cornered. It wasnt an ongoing campaign or malicious beyond selfishness.
[15:34] <LjL> elky: http://pastebin.ca/1412150
[15:34] <LjL> i meant these lies
[15:34] <LjL> i'm slow to do stuff because i'm using the mouse with the wrong hand =)
[15:36] <elky> oh, i had not seen those lies. those are irrelevent to our particular issue though. he could just as easily have registered another and achieved the same.
[15:37] <LjL> oh yeah, just making a point he seems to be a pathologic liar
[15:37] <LjL> not that saying "someone has stolen my password" changes anything as far as #freenode goes to begin with, you know
[15:38] <elky> i understand where you're coming from, but if we were to get rid of all the pathological liars on freenode, half of -ot would g.... hmm... now that's an idea :P
[15:40] <LjL> you imply things i'm not saying
[15:40] <LjL> i'm giving information indication he's a pathologic liar because i believe this channel should have information about the trolls on our channels
[15:40] <LjL> not because i want to get rid of anything - especially someone who is already banned in the first place
[16:27] <Arkenklo> uh
[16:27] <ikonia> hello
[16:27] <LjL> hi
[16:27] <Pici> Aloha
[16:28] <LjL> bonjour
[16:28] <Arkenklo> why does #ubuntu forwards here?
[16:28] <LjL> it doesn't for everyone
[16:28] <LjL> it does for you, probably because you upset me somehow
[16:29] <Arkenklo> or perhaps because someone on my domain did
[16:29] <LjL> no, no
[16:30] <LjL> the good news is that since it was a forward and not a ban, you probably didn't upset me *so* much
[16:30] <Arkenklo> I've never even been to #ubuntu
[16:31] <LjL> i would dispute that fact
[16:31] <Arkenklo> oh hang on, yeah right
[16:31] <Arkenklo> I posted some links I think
[16:31] <Arkenklo> With a huge disclaimer
[16:31] <LjL> err... yes
[16:31] <genii> @btlogin
[16:31] <LjL> then after you were warned not to, you did it again
[16:32] <LjL> is that not right?
[16:32] <Arkenklo> I must have missed that
[16:32] <LjL> no, no you haven't
[16:32] <Arkenklo> Oh well then crap, I'll have to change my nick to something else
[16:33] <LjL> i see, but you know that is called "ban evading" and is not considered appropriate on this network
[16:33] <Arkenklo> uh-huh
[16:50] <ikonia> is this done now ?
[16:54]  * jussi01 prods ikonia
[16:56] <ikonia> hello
[17:07] <ikonia> Arkenklo: is there anything else you want to discuss with us ?
[17:11] <Arkenklo> ikonia: huh ?
[17:12] <ikonia> Arkenklo: do you need anything from us at this time 
[17:15] <Arkenklo> Why would'nt I let you know if I did?
[17:15] <ikonia> Arkenklo: I don't know, I'm just asking to see if you need anything from us at this time, if not I request you leave the channel and come back when you do want something
[17:17] <Arkenklo> why are you 41 people if you don't want anyone in the channel?
[17:18] <ikonia> Arkenklo: these are the people who administrate the ubuntu channels, so that is why they are here
[17:20] <Arkenklo> what about the rest
[17:20] <ikonia> Arkenklo: I've told you why the people are in this channel, I'm asking you directly, do you want anything from us ? if not, could you please leave the channel and come back when you do have something you want from us
[17:21] <Arkenklo> I want to join #ubuntu
[17:21] <ikonia> Arkenklo: ok, then do you want to explain why you where banned ?
[17:21] <Arkenklo> I did'nt ban myself
[17:22] <Arkenklo> ask LjL 
[17:22] <ikonia> Arkenklo: you don't know why you where banned ?
[17:22] <ikonia> one moment please
[17:22] <Arkenklo> ikonia: Enlighten me
[17:23] <ikonia> I believe you where calling some one a faggot
[17:24] <ikonia> and from what I've read in the logs above you where also posting links
[17:25] <Arkenklo> give me a link to a dump of the log
[17:25] <ikonia> no
[17:25] <Arkenklo> why not
[17:26] <ikonia> because I'm just discussing this with you at the moment, is any of that true ?
[17:26] <ikonia> !logs 
[17:26] <Arkenklo> ikonia: I'll have to check the logs
[17:26] <ikonia> Arkenklo: ok, so you don't recall any of that 
[17:26] <Arkenklo> you got a date and time?
[17:27] <Arkenklo> ikonia: I call a lot of people faggots
[17:27] <Arkenklo> But I don't think I have on ubuntu
[17:28] <ikonia> Arkenklo: I can see you doing it the ubuntu channel
[17:28] <Arkenklo> *when*
[17:28] <ikonia> 06-04-2009
 nejni faggots, tänkardags nu
[17:29] <Arkenklo> jesus 
[17:29] <ikonia> but as I understand it reading this channel logs above from your conversation with ljl you where also pasting links
[17:30] <Arkenklo> That is possible
[17:31] <ikonia> ok, what where the links ?
[17:32] <Arkenklo> one sec
[17:32] <ikonia> ok
[17:33] <Arkenklo> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/04/13/ is missing some logs
[17:33] <ikonia> why are you looking on the 13 ?
[17:34] <Arkenklo> I'm looking through them all
[17:34] <ikonia> why - this has nothing to do with it
[17:34] <ikonia> you where banned for your conduct on 06/04/2009
[17:35] <Arkenklo> I was banned with the only reason of saying the word "faggot"?
[17:35] <ikonia> no
[17:35] <ikonia> you where not
[17:35] <Pici> I suspect that was the straw that broke the camel's back.
[17:35] <ikonia> you where banned for posting links 
[17:35] <ikonia> as I'm reading now you've done it before, the final comment as Pici said was the last straw
[17:38] <ikonia> so if you could explain why you feel the need to post these links, and make comments like faggot - that would be a good start to helping resolve this
[17:39] <Arkenklo> I can't find any links posted by me in the logs
[17:41] <ikonia> Arkenklo: http://10chan.org
[17:41] <ikonia> Arkenklo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p9RlJMqHyo
[17:41] <ikonia> for example
[17:41] <Arkenklo> a youtube-link?
[17:42] <ikonia> no - two links
[17:42] <ikonia> and you posted the top one multiple times across the evening
[17:43] <Arkenklo> I don't think youtube is inappropriet
[17:43] <Arkenklo> yes, multiple times, two
[17:43] <Arkenklo> that is indeed more then one
[17:43] <ikonia> youtuve is inappropriet as it is offtopic for a support channel, and the other links are not appropriate, but as I said you where asked to stop and continued
[17:44] <ikonia> you then came up with rude phrases such as the faggot one that finally got your removed
[17:44] <Arkenklo> "phrase" is incorrect
[17:45] <ikonia> I'm not arguing grammar with you - 
[17:45] <ikonia> if you'd like to explain your behaviour we can move on 
[17:45] <Arkenklo> the only offensive in that meaning is the word "faggot", it is'nt offensive in the context
[17:45] <ikonia> that may well be, hence why I'm asking you to exaplin 
[17:45] <ikonia> explain even
[17:46] <Arkenklo> translate?
[17:46] <ikonia> well if you could explain why you feel the need to post these links after being asked not to, and then the faggot comment, yes that would be helpful 
[17:55] <Arkenklo> regarding "the faggot comment", it was a announcement to all channels I was in that I was going to sleep
[17:55] <ikonia> really ? how does faggot translate to sleep ?
[17:55] <Arkenklo> well hidden sarkasm
[17:55] <Arkenklo> sarcasm
[17:55] <ikonia> could you explain it ?
[17:56] <Pici> banlist full again :/
[17:56] <genii> So #k ops know ... I'm /away for about an hour
[17:56] <ikonia> on it
[18:03] <ikonia> Arkenklo: anything ?
[18:08] <Pici> ikonia: Please fix your latest bolt ban. *|?=bold@*.sky.*!#ubuntu-o*@*
[18:08] <Myrtti> Arkenklo: hello, how can we help you?
[18:08] <Pici> I removed it (it was messing up the floodbots)
[18:09] <Myrtti> Arkenklo: if you can't produce an answer, I'll remove you from the channel and you may join when you've got something to say
[18:09] <ikonia> Pici: no sweat, thanks
[18:10] <ikonia> I think I replaced the wrong one
[18:11] <Myrtti> blinkenshell... lol.
[18:12] <ikonia> Pici: thank you 
[18:37] <Pici> ikonia: all he said was 'boo', once.
[18:37] <ikonia> Pici: yeah, I thought he was also "seth" 
[18:37] <ikonia> reading the scroll back now
[18:38] <ikonia> seith sorry 
[18:41] <Pici> To be honest discussing this in #ubuntu is causing a lot of noise too.
[18:41] <ikonia> I'm pm'ing him to explain, but he keeps taling in the channel
[18:41] <Pici> I think it should be brouight to a pm or to here.
[18:42] <ikonia> I am doing
[18:42] <ikonia> I have been doing
[18:42]  * LjL never saw anything wrong with taking people here even without trying PM first
[18:43] <ikonia> he just won't shut up
[18:43] <LjL> you have the means to make him :)
[18:43] <ikonia> no the mistake was mine
[18:43]  * Pici sighs
[18:44] <LjL> so mute yourself *and* him
[18:44] <LjL> or shall i highlight all of you and tell you to stop?
[18:44] <ikonia> he's not reading his pm's, he seems happy to be quiet now he's had the last word
[18:44] <ikonia> I'll leave it ther
[18:44] <ikonia> there
[18:44] <Myrtti> pr0nstradamus: can we help you?
[18:45] <pr0nstradamus> oh, not really, I was just checking it out
[18:45] <Myrtti> KB1JWQ: can we help you?
[18:45] <Pici> Myrtti: thanks for helping out
[18:45] <Myrtti> pr0nstradamus, KB1JWQ: see topic
[18:45] <pr0nstradamus> Yeah, thats what I was reading ;)
[18:45] <KB1JWQ> Myrtti: I was hoping someone could point me to the list of "acceptible behavior" for #ubuntu.
[18:45] <LjL> !etiquette
[18:46] <Myrtti> Pici: I'm shorttempered tonight, so I'm not tolarating that there
[18:46] <Pici> Myrtti: Its fine with me
[18:46] <ikonia> he'd have got it sooner if auto_bleh hadn't unloaded it'sself
[18:47] <LjL> ha
[18:47] <Seeker`> lo Myrtti 
[18:49] <Myrtti> Seeker`: ohai
[18:51] <Seeker`> howbe?
[18:52] <Myrtti> Seeker`: surprised how little I know of Tampere, need to find places to see and visit
[18:53] <Seeker`> fair enogh
[18:57] <Pici> LjL is funny. he makes me laugh.
[18:58] <LjL> only because i tickle you.
[18:58] <ikonia> he is good
[19:06] <Mez> LjL is a bad boy
[19:11] <Myrtti> no u
[19:11] <Myrtti> ICE HOCKEY!
[19:11] <LjL> hohohohohockeyfrillor
[19:15]  * Pici awaits the factoids 
[19:16]  * LjL feels Pici's homicidal look
[19:17] <Pici> heh
[19:18] <LjL> don't hate me because i teach the ignorant masses!
[19:18] <LjL> although their factoid creations show they've remained ignorant
[19:19] <Pici> ext4 is great, but don't use it.
[19:20] <ikonia> ha ha
[19:20] <LjL> it's more reliable too, sure
[19:20] <Pici> Except when it breaks
[19:21] <ikonia> what is the context for somewhat more reliable ?
[19:21] <LjL> it's somewhat more reliable than most of my C64 tapes
[19:21] <LjL> especially the ones i wrote over dozens of times various versions of the same silly BASIC program
[19:22] <LjL> how come i get the feeling axod has killed the mibbit server
[19:23] <LjL> uhm
[19:24] <LjL> i should have specified to him *which* wiki i meant.
[19:24]  * LjL makes a note
[19:24] <Pici> LjL: He got all the wikis except for the one that counted
[19:24] <ikonia> !ext4
[19:24] <ikonia> oh, there isn't anything already, that's surprising
[19:25] <LjL> Pici: well admittedly the only page on *that* wiki that really mentions ext4 does the same thing... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailingListFAQs/fileSystemLinks
[19:27] <Pici> LjL: Perhaps shadeslayer should write a new ext4 page on the wiki for us
[19:28] <ikonia> please don't
[19:30] <Pici> ikonia: He actually seems to have gotten better.. although I haven't watched for that long.
[19:30] <ikonia> oh yes, no question, but he still just makes stuff up
[19:50] <Pici> Ugh. I need a break.
[19:50] <Pici> back to real work.
[19:55]  * genii wanders in and heads for the coffeepot
[20:22] <genii> Bleh some Quassel weirdnesses again today. Back in a bit
[20:22] <Pici> k
[20:24] <genii> Restarting the client seems to have fixed it (hopefully)
[20:33] <Seeker`> is discussion of 4chan allowed in -offtopic?
[20:34] <Pici> I've asked myself that question many times
[20:35] <genii> If 4chan isn't illegal and they aren't posting to pornographic links on it, what could the issue be?
[20:35] <Pici> Its a troll hotbed
[20:36] <Seeker`> genii: it certainly isn't a site i would describe as "family friendly" in any way
[20:39] <genii> I think if it's just being mentioned in passing...bleh. It's when someone starts in with linking to it or so on. Anyhow, thats my take. If policy is we don't put up with it, of course I'll enforce that.
[20:42] <Seeker`> I'm questing whether the current policy is the correct one
[20:43] <Pici> I'd like to hear some other opinions on it
[20:49] <genii> Me too, would be nice to have a definite policy one way or the other
[20:53] <jussi01> *wave*
[20:54] <Seeker`> hi jussi01 
[20:54] <jussi01> hi
[20:54] <Seeker`> do you have an opinion?
[20:54] <Seeker`> it would be eve more useful if you had an opinion on what we were just discussing
[20:54]  * genii makes another pot of coffee
[20:55]  * jussi01 is not certain of what 4chan is, but IMHO its simple - if a link posted has inappropriate content then the poster needs to be spoken to. 
[20:56] <jussi01> If the link itself is ok, then we move on.
[20:57] <Seeker`> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4chan
[20:58] <Seeker`> half of it is pictures of anime
[20:58] <Seeker`> the rest is porn, or worse
[21:02] <jussi01> I still dont believe we should be censoring stuff that in itself is fine, again, if the linked content page is ok, then move on. (unless someone can come up with a good reason otherwise). 
[21:03] <Pici> Its akin to discussing Playboy for the articles.
[21:04] <jussi01> hrm, I actually just changed my mind as I started to browse it - simply because anything I click I get the following warning:
[21:04] <jussi01> # The content of this website is for mature viewers only and may not be suitable for minors. If you are a minor or it is illegal for you to view nudity or mature images and language, do not proceed.
[21:05] <jussi01> so that, makes it a different kettle of fish...
[21:07] <Seeker`> jussi01: not a suitable topic for discussion then?
[21:07] <genii> When aubade and ikanobori were discussing something like: they're ddossing img.4chan       ... orz.4chan.org is up and so is zip .... etc    It verged on giving an inappropriate link.
[21:08] <jussi01> Seeker`: imho, no
[21:08] <jussi01> genii: if they are talking about ddos'ing then thats inappropriate IMHO anyway
[21:08] <genii> Hehe, good point
[21:09] <Seeker`> it was "they are ddosing it" rather than discussing doing it themselves
[21:09] <genii> Although I think it was more like some other entity was doing the ddos and they were merely suffering from porn-lack
[21:10] <Seeker`> genii: I think thats what the situation was
[21:12] <genii> Work requires me... /away maybe 15 minutes
[21:27] <Jack_Sparrow> HEy genii.. what is the best cr ripper we have
[21:40] <Seeker`> @bansearch hermpie
[21:43] <tsimpson> should !ghost mention the RELEASE command?
[21:43] <Seeker`> !ghost
[21:44] <Seeker`> probably
[21:44] <Seeker`> !release3
[21:44] <Seeker`> !release
[21:49] <tsimpson> !no ghost is <reply> If you own an IRC nick that is currently being used, you can make it change nicks by typing: /msg nickserv RELEASE <nick> <password> | If you have a dead (ghost) connection, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <password>
[21:49] <tsimpson> !no ghost is <reply> If you own an IRC nick that is currently being used, you can make it change nicks by typing: /msg nickserv release <nick> <password> | If you have a dead (ghost) connection, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <password>
[21:49] <tsimpson> !ghost
[21:50] <tsimpson> not nice for someone's connection to be killed because someone owns the nick
[21:54]  * genii ponders "cr ripper"
[21:54] <jussi01> r is above d....
[21:54] <jussi01> maybe?
[21:54] <genii> jussi01: Thats my best guess too
[21:55] <jussi01> ok, Im off to bed...
[21:55] <genii> jussi01: Night :)
[21:56] <jussi01> nini
[22:06] <genii> Work is over. See you later from home.
[22:09] <Seeker`> seeya
[22:18] <LjL> Pici and genii: are you going mad? 4chan links are generally to innocuous pictures. then if someone wants to go up the hierarchy to the top site, it's their issue. i had actually whitelisted 4chan in WatchBot (which i've ditched anyway since everyone hates it, meh) because people complained about the warnings
[22:18] <LjL> let's stop them from giving links to google because you can find all sort of awful things on google?
[22:19] <LjL> or let's make another, "better" bot, like the #ubuntu-it ops have done, and everybody "loves"
[22:19] <LjL> it warns you shouldn't post *any* link aside from official ones. nice eh?
[22:20] <Seeker`> they weren't posting innocuous pictures
[22:20] <Seeker`> they were just talking about "4chan.org
[22:20] <Seeker`> "
[22:20] <nickrud> hi all
[22:21] <Seeker`> which if someone decided to visit, would automagically take them to the top level of the site
[22:22] <LjL> Seeker`: really? oh damn, how deplorable, talking about one of the most popular sites on the internet
[22:22] <Seeker`> yeah, because discussion about Windows, one of the most popular operating systems in the world is allowed in -ot?
[22:22] <LjL> next they'll be discussing foxnews.com
[22:22] <LjL> Seeker`: it ought to be, yes, i complained pretty loudly when Apple and ##mac was added to that
[22:23] <LjL> and it usually is, HOPEFULLY that part of o4o is only really used for pretty bad trolls, ever
[22:46] <LjL> i think esmeralda is still typing random stuff in #u...
[22:46] <nickrud> do the bot's permanently ban flooders now?
[22:46] <LjL> only if they don't stop flooding, nickrud
[22:46] <LjL> which is what is making me think that.
[22:47] <LjL> op up and see?
[22:47] <LjL> or not, as she left
[22:47] <nickrud> yeah, that's what I thought. Hell, I've been gone so long op is an honorific right now
[22:48] <LjL> nickrud: you were gone the whole 2007, we're used to that. now shut up and back to answer questions.
[22:49]  * LjL jokes, you know that
[22:50] <bazhang> heh
[22:50] <nickrud> yeah, you put a smile on my face
[23:12] <topyli> got to go to bed, but -ot is going to get political and flamy soon
[23:13] <topyli> if someone has time for the entertainment, feel free to check it out :)
[23:13] <bazhang> nice to see there are some new operators to back you up now
[23:14] <topyli> bazhang: we have new ops? good! who has joined?
[23:15] <bazhang> genii and Seeker` I thought topyli 
[23:15] <topyli> ah yes
[23:15] <topyli> i thought even more fresh :)
[23:15] <bazhang> well deserved and long overdue imo
[23:17] <topyli> good people both, they don't deserve the penance of opping -ot really :(
[23:17] <topyli> anyway, nini now
[23:17] <bazhang> and they are now #u as well :)
[23:17] <bazhang> night
[23:41] <bazhang> yuck
[23:41] <Seeker`> yuck?
[23:42] <Seeker`> at what point do you autoban people instead of kicking them?
[23:45] <LjL> you'll find out by yourself what works for you
[23:45] <bazhang> congrats btw Seeker` , long overdue
[23:45] <Seeker`> I know what works for me; I want to know what fits in with the rest of the team? 
[23:45] <Seeker`> bazhang: thanks :)
[23:46] <LjL> Seeker`: everyone has their opinion.
[23:47] <Seeker`> LjL: fair enough
[23:48] <LjL> Seeker`: my opinion is if it's clear enough to me they don't want to contribute anything to the channel or ask for any actual help, they go for good. no reason to play around.
[23:51] <mneptok> greetings from New Mexico, USA. home of tritium's NEW BABY GIRL!
[23:53] <elky> so you get to announce it's conception and birth?
[23:54] <mneptok> "its" >:P
[23:54] <mneptok> and yeah, i guess so, since no one else has.
[23:55] <mneptok> i don't think we'll be seeing much of tritium on IRC the next few weeks. at least not if he values his marriage. ;)
[23:55] <Seeker`> hehe
[23:55] <Seeker`> irc > *
[23:55] <mneptok> (and sorry for Pedant Mode(tm). i'm in full Bastard Mode(r) today. don't ask.)
[23:56] <Seeker`> anyone seen a stdin around recently? I understand he is writing a new ubottu in ruby and I want to pick his brain
[23:57] <elky> Seeker`, the same stdin as tsimpson?
[23:57] <Seeker`> they are the same person?
[23:58] <Seeker`> slow Seeker` is slow
[23:58] <elky> Seeker`, unless tsimpson stole stdin's cloak.
[23:58] <Seeker`> :O
[23:58] <Seeker`> hmm, true
[23:58] <Seeker`> gah, marked away as "sleep"