=== JoeliousCeasar is now known as mac94161 === UdontKnow is now known as \0 === \0 is now known as root === root is now known as KnightWhoSaysNi [01:25] I have 2 NICs that are bother on seperate LANS with 2 different ip ranges (wlan0=192.x.x.x & eth0=10.x.x.x). Is it possible to route traffic by program? [01:36] marksman: what do you mean "by program"? what precisely do you want to achieve? [01:36] Why can't I upgrade to jaunty from Intrepid 64-bit server? [01:37] I've tried with both update-manager and do-release upgrade, and both tell me "No new release found" [01:39] MighMoS: look in the file /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades [01:39] pmatulis: its set to normal [01:40] MighMoS: system fully updated i presume? [01:40] pmatulis: Yes. [01:41] I tried upgrading one machine by just running sed s/intrepid/jaunty on /etc/apt/sources.list/ but that causes 7 hours worth of headaches once the network went down in the middle. [01:42] MighMoS: have you had *any* trouble of a package management nature with this machine? [01:43] No. I hadn't with the other one either, so I figured I'd try to brute force it, but as I stated that didn't work out as well as I would have liked. I've disable all 3rd party repos as well [01:44] MighMoS: both systems were 64-bit servers? [01:44] One was 32 (desktop) [01:45] MighMoS: hmmm, something smells there [01:45] MighMoS: are you using a proxy or apt-cacher on your network? [01:45] Indeed, but there doesn't seem to be much I can find to pinpoint the problem [01:46] I do use apt-cacher, but the server is the apt-cache server as well [01:46] Hmm. [01:46] Thanks. [01:47] MighMoS: try removing that part [01:47] Should I open a bug about that? [01:47] MighMoS: no [01:47] Because I really would like to not DL the whole thing again [01:47] MighMoS: you might have a misconfiguration [01:47] And just use the cached debs [01:48] MighMoS: need to first determine whether that is actually the problem [01:48] MighMoS: remove that aspect and just try. you should be able to abort [01:48] pmatulis: Thanks for your help. I've put it back and it still sees there's an update [01:49] MighMoS: so you good then? apt-cacher was the problem? [01:49] pmatulis: Apparently [01:49] pmatulis: I moved the proxy file away, ran update and moved it back [01:49] pmatulis: and everything's fine now. [01:51] pmatulis: what would I check to see if apt-cacher-ng is preventing the download of those files? [01:51] MighMoS: logs === fenris_ is now known as OpenBuntu [01:53] pmatulis: meh. Too much work. I'll figure it out in October ;-) [01:53] MighMoS: take your time, and take care [02:22] im having difficulty setting up htdigest auth on a ubuntu 9.04 server nagios 3.06 install. i have verified permissions on the htdigest file, owned by www-data:nagios. i get the following error logged configuration error: couldn't check user. No user file?: /nagios [02:22] i have used the htdigest command to explicitly add a user and passwd for him. [02:23] and restarted apache [02:27] slestak: Check permissions on the directory where the htdigest file is, and diectories above that -- can Apache really read that file? [02:28] let me check [02:32] jmarsden: htdigest.users is 640 www-data:nagios, /usr/local/nagios/etc is 775 www-data:nagios (appears to be suid nagios), /usr/local/nagios is 755 root:www-data [02:33] relevant apache nagios conf is at: http://pastebin.com/f69fc4224 [02:34] pastie is wrong, need to append to that [02:34] slestak: Looks OK. Alright, I'm running Jaunty here, I can download nagios3 and test it ... um, you pastebinned the filename, not the contents of the file? [02:34] yeah, echo's instead of cat [02:35] could selinux maybe interfere? I do not have dns setup, i am reaching this by ip address [02:35] http://pastebin.com/f6b90a63a [02:37] i see one problem, in troubleshooting this, i renamed my htdigest file to htdigest.users, but only touched up one of the locations inthat conf file. [02:38] Yesm edit lines 40 and 53 and see if that fixes it. [02:38] what about the Auth Name directive, when i made my htdigest, i specified the realm in lowercase, nagios, but Auth User is Nagios [02:39] it was already not working when i renamed my htdigest [02:39] so i dont think tht is the total problem. i have searched for extra .htaccess and other files [02:39] I'd make the case match; I'm not sure if it needs to, but it would be good. However if that is the problem you should see a different error msg in your logs, the "no user file?" should go away [02:40] OK, one step at a time: fix the config file, restart Apache and retest. [02:41] same: [crit] [client 172.17.1.78] configuration error: couldn't check user. No user file?: /nagios [02:43] the place i am working is about to close, so i need to drive abt 10 minutes. i'll brb [02:43] OK :) [02:43] hard to find wifi out here in teh midwest on Sun night. resorted to Micky D's === slestak is now known as slestak|afk [03:21] jmarsden: hiya, back [03:21] Having problem installing wordpress. Apache seems to be blocking it, getting not found erros. apache2.conf = http://pastebin.com/m5248f103 [03:22] slestak: OK. Did you already do sudo a2enmod auth_digest [03:23] oh, i think you hit it [03:23] That worked for me, then I checked and the realm *is* case-sensitive. [03:26] jmarsden: tytyty, its working. have you seen eznag? pretty well kitted nagios install. somewhat turnkey [03:26] slestak: No problem. I tend to edit the nagios configs myself, but I'll take a look at eznag. [03:28] and http://www.trickytools.com/php/ezcac.php [03:28] jmarsden: http://www.trickytools.com/php/metanag.php [03:28] sorry, netbook keyboard gets me sometimes [03:40] how to remote view desktop using terminal ? [03:43] AdiePutera: You can't display a graphical desktop on a text terminal... ? Are you looking for software such as rdesktop of vncviewer ?? [03:44] yes [03:44] so i can connect from my pc [03:44] to my server [03:45] Your server has no graphical desktop (if it is a Ubuntu server). To ssh into your server from a PC running Windows, try software such as Putty. [03:47] !putty [03:47] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ [03:50] how about setting up nameserver [03:50] a little bit confuse [03:52] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [03:53] What did you do to get that? For basic DNS setup see https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/dns.html [03:53] jmarsden: Damn, beat me to it [03:53] :) [03:54] why this happen when im trying to install new app [03:54] always got errors [03:55] dpkg: error while cleaning up: [03:55] subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 127 [03:55] AdiePutera: we need more info to help answer that... which application are you trying to install on your Ubuntu server [03:56] this is what im trying to do ->root@zetro:~# sudo apt-get install dnsutils [03:57] AdiePutera: That should work fine... Something is broken on your system. Try sudo apt-get -f install [03:57] same problem [03:59] Please pastebin the full output after doing sudo apt-get -f install [04:02] root@zetro:~# sudo apt-get -f install [04:02] 127 is file-not-found [04:03] AdiePutera: Don't put all the output here in the channel... use pastebin [04:03] !pastebin [04:03] pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [04:03] Once you have Putty working you can cut and paste the whole thing... [04:04] As a note... your prompt shows # which is root. So sudo is not neccesary. [04:04] * genii doesn't feel up to giving a sudo/root lecture just now [04:06] genii: I'd be surprised if there isn't a !rootlecture or similar shortcut :) [04:06] jmarsden: In #ubuntu it's !root [04:06] !root [04:06] Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo [04:06] There we go. However since root already seems attained, somewhat moot [04:09] !msg ubottu sudo [04:09] Sorry, I don't know anything about msg ubottu sudo [04:11] jmarsden: Oh yeah that one too [04:12] Hi all. I've got a question about using ufw on an server with multiple NICs. I trust this is a good place to ask? [04:13] rfsalder: sure [04:15] Awesome. Can I configure different rules on a per interface basis? Each one of the NICs is on a different subnet and I want rules applied on a per interface basis. [04:15] I've used Shorewall for this in the past, but I'm playing with ufw and starting to like it. [04:15] Dunno. [04:16] I got to the point of working out that if I wanted to write normal rules, I had to grovel through the dirful of iptables-save files. [04:17] Yup - I'd prefer to have as much of a layer of abstraction as possible, as it seems the nitty-gritty is a bit complex. [04:17] Because I'm lazy, what I'm currently doing is just running "iptables-restore /etc/iptab and adding comments [04:17] Have you played with Shorewall? [04:18] No, but I've seen some of its rules. [04:18] I've found it to be a nice tool for my setups. I'm wondering if I can do the same kind of stuff with ufw though, since it seems nicely integrated in Ubuntu. [04:18] Essentially how ufw works internally is to cat together all the files in (wherever it is), then dump them into iptables-restore. [04:19] The ufw(8) tool just reads/writes a specific one of those files, the rest are maintained by upstream or by the senior sysadmin. [04:19] Ah... okay. [04:19] So you have the full power of iptables, and ufw is a way to do simple rules that most people want. [04:19] I don't know if the ufw(8) wrapper will let you do what you want, but if it doesn't, you can dive into the raw stuff in that dir. [04:20] I figure if I set a rule in ufw to allow traffic to a particular port on a particular IP, it will simply allow traffic to that IP:port from any of the interfaces. [04:21] Instead of a particular one that I can specify. [04:22] I haven't been able to find any articles or posts on the web discussing multiple interface ufw setups. That may very well mean that it's not a designed use scenario. [04:24] rfsalder: In general that is likely to be true. ufw show raw or /sbin/iptables -nvL will show you what the current state of things is, but I don't think ufw has any way to say "allow traffic from IP X to port Y on interface Z. [04:27] Thanks for your help, twb and jmarsden. [04:41] jmarsden: as for me, I find it easier to read iptables-save than iptables -v -n -L [08:11] New bug: #371530 in samba (main) "samba does not start since upgrade to 9.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371530 [08:31] Hi all; does anyone know if there is a #networking room? I don't think asking network (general, not server specific) questions in here is appropriate. [08:35] I've got a studio that has asked me to build their server, site and network. They've got Cat5 outlets in all the rooms, a central box from the ISP in the main office and they want seperate N/G wifi as well as copper connecting all the workstations through the wall drops. I'm thinking the ISP to a Switch and that will hand out to separate G/N routers, a plain router to the wall outlets. [08:53] Hello, I've got a mail server up and running, uhmm... I think, I'm pretty much a newbie when it comes to this, can I access it with thunderbird and if yes, how? [08:54] When I send send a mail to my server computer it receives it in /home//mbox [08:56] I use dovecot as an imap server... I'm not sure what it does, but I'd love to see my received mails in my thunderbird mailbox [09:02] <_ruben> if dovecot is configured properly, then you can just configure an imap account in your thunderbird with the details of your server [09:03] <_ruben> and mbox storage kinda sucks [09:05] Ah, what is the proper configuration then? [09:06] <_ruben> maildir for storage, and as for dovecot itself, it kinda depends on the total picture of your install .. the defaults oughta work fairly well (they did for me) [09:08] I have a directory called Mail and Maildir [09:08] in my home directory [09:09] <_ruben> Mail is probably used by one or more mail clients, Maildir is a common place for mailservers to use as storage [09:11] okay, how do I know it's working? [09:11] <_ruben> when you can properly fetch your email from the server? ;) [09:12] all Maildir has are 5 files and three empty directory [09:12] lol [09:12] <_ruben> which is to be expected for an empty mailbox [09:12] <_ruben> you'll have to instruct postfix and/or procmail and/or dovecot to store the mails in those Maildir folders [09:13] ah, I see [09:13] so... is the Mail folder at the wrong place? [09:13] it should be in the Maildir folder? [09:13] <_ruben> no, its fine where it is [09:14] <_ruben> its where (most) mail clients store they're local copies of email [09:14] <_ruben> s/they're/their/ [09:14] oh, so the Mai folder has nothing to do with dovecot? [09:14] Mail [09:15] could be that Mail is in mailbox format nad Maildir is is mailfir format.. [09:19] <_ruben> sluimers: most likely so, yes [09:19] <_ruben> sluimers: one could however instruct any MTA/LDA to use Mail/ as storage dir, but that's not very common [09:21] ah, hmmm, so my dovecot isn't properly configured then... [09:23] <_ruben> sluimers: i think you should approach this from another angle .. determine what you want to accomplish, then work towards that goal from (nearly) scratch .. not try to coerce an existing setup into doing what you might want [09:31] Are you telling me to reinstall the whole thing? [09:41] <_ruben> nah, just configuration wise (postfix+dovecot, assuming you use postfix as your mta) [09:42] yes, I use postfix [10:26] New bug: #368504 in samba (main) "openoffice and other aplications can't print on a HP Laserjet 3380 via samba (the printer crashes). Maybe is a cups problem?" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/368504 [10:29] Does anyone know if it's normal for the builder servers to have over 5000 packages queued for building? [10:30] Or is it just the addition of Karmic that's taking its toll?.. [10:46] <_ruben> likely [10:49] Omahn: 5000? [10:49] Omahn: Oh, total across all archs? [10:49] Omahn: Yeah, that's probably just autosynced packages being built. [10:56] soren: Yeah, that seems to be the case. I was just waiting on an SRU package to be build that's been waiting for several days now. I wonder if Canonical would take offers of server horsepower to speed things up.. [11:02] Omahn: I doubt it. We keep the buildd's under strict control for security reasons. [11:03] soren: I can fully appreciate that. It's just a shame as we have seriously meaty hardware just sitting idle. [11:04] Omahn: I would have thought, though, that SRU's got a higher build score than regular builds. [11:05] Omahn: Which package is it? [11:05] soren: compizconfig-backend-gconf [11:06] Not an important one, but if the same delay was experienced for one of our server packages it would be a little concerning. [11:07] Scores 1005. [11:07] Yeah. [11:07] Not sure if that's high or low priority in comparison to the influx of karmic. [11:07] For critical updates, we can always poke a buildd admin to rescore it. [11:08] Good stuff :-) [11:09] Omahn: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds?build_text=&build_state=pending [11:09] Omahn: You can see how far down the list it is now. [11:09] It's on the penultimate page :) [11:10] Aha. [11:11] In the end I just build the package locally with pbuilder although that doesn't really validate the SRU build. [11:11] *built [11:14] Still, might be worth Canonical having a chat with us. We have several Sparc T2000 boxes and 16 way Opteron machines doing very little and I'm sure it would speed things up a bit :-) === gaveen_ is now known as gaveen [13:33] hi all [13:33] is there a single command to change a server's hostname ? [13:34] I don't believe there is, no. [13:35] meh.. so I guess I should rewrite /etc/hosts and /etc/hostsname... that's it ? [13:36] echo NEWHOSTNAME >> /etc/hostname [13:36] what about `hostname`? [13:36] > /etc/hostname sorry [13:37] (also must be done as root and not through sudo) [13:39] it can be done through sudo, just not how you described above [13:39] what way? [13:39] echo "foobar" | sudo tee /etc/hostname [13:40] Ahh yes! Good thinking [13:40] MagicFab: Depends. Certain packages might embed the hostname in its configuration files. [13:41] MagicFab: But /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts is a good start. [13:41] <_ruben> on a relatively fresh system, grepping for the current hostname in /etc and replacing it, suffices [13:44] Kamping_Kaiser: why not just 'sudo hostname new_hostname' ? [13:46] pmatulis, hostname was my first suggestion [13:46] Kamping_Kaiser: k, still need to change the hostname file [13:55] pmatulis: hostname only changes the machine's name as known by the kernel. It doesn't persist across reboots. Sort of like running iptables from the command line without updating ufw or whatever firewall script you're using. [13:57] soren: yes, hence my 2nd comment [14:04] pmatulis: *nod* [14:28] New bug: #371023 in openldap (main) "ldap server restore failed during upgrade to jaunty" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371023 [14:40] hello people [14:41] how to disable su in server? [14:43] wizardslovak: What are you trying to achieve. Disabling su wholesale will likely have undesired side effects. [14:44] Thinking about it more closely, I'm going to guess that it'll not only have undesired side effects, it will also not have the effect that you're probably looking for :) [14:47] what is the command for update system?? [14:48] apt-get upgrade? [14:55] Hi all, I want to setup a login via ttyS0 serial console i created the /etc/event.d/ttyS0 file and added the information. When i do a telinit q and then look into the log and i get this "" http://pastebin.com/d6c81e83e "" and then it stop and cant get the tty working. Thanks in advance for the time and help [14:58] hello, i'm running several kubuntu workstations but it's all currently peer to peer. is ubuntu-server the way i should go for a centralized directory services / policy / update managment solution? [15:03] jimmy51_: I would venture to say yes [15:04] genii: is it a fairly straightforward process for someone who has set up active directory based domains many times/ [15:04] ? [15:05] jimmy51_: I have not worked much with LDAP, myself. [15:06] jimmy51_: The server guide here: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html has a fairly comprehensive tutorial, however [15:08] thanks [15:10] jimmy51_: You're welcome. At other times of the day, there may also be some people in this channel more knowledgable on the LDAP subject === ssd7 is now known as Guest2933 === Guest2933 is now known as ssd7 [15:46] New bug: #371687 in kvm (main) "smb option doesn't appear to work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371687 [15:49] hi [15:49] someone could help me please? [15:50] i have to configure a lan with 2 pc ethernet and a router ethernet [15:50] what have i to do to configure network? === MohammadBoozary is now known as Mohammad[B] [15:58] Hi all, I just setted up a serial console via ttyS0 and if i do a ps axf |grep tty i see the new getty on ttyS0. On the client side i configure minicom to access it through my usb adapter ttyUSB0. But i dont get any login or anything [16:06] heya ll [16:06] hey all* [16:07] I am trying to restore my installed applications on my ubuntu machine and this is what i get: http://pastebin.com/m257ea5fa. does anyone know what would cause this? Thanks. [16:08] Tereza: Know some TCPIP and know if you want to use static ip or DHCP. Maybe.. http://linux.about.com/od/ubusrv_doc/a/ubusg17t03.htm http://www.debianadmin.com/ubuntu-networking-for-basic-and-advanced-users.html [16:10] unr3a1: Have not set the same /etc/apt/sources.list files as the computer you got the packagelist from.. [16:11] TeLLuS, ok... so what do I do? I dont have that sources.list file anymore [16:14] unr3a1: For packages it's not currently finding which are in regular ubuntu maintained repos, you could look up by package-name at http://packages.ubuntu.com/ to see whic repository needs enabling. For the others which came from non-standard repos, you may need to google. [16:14] .... alright... from now on I will back up my sources.list file too.... [16:14] thanks for the info [16:25] No one can help with serial console login ?! [16:29] Nokio: Tried with something else then with the usbserialadapter.. Any second comport on same computer.. [16:35] TeLLuS_ localy on the computer i have 2 serial port ttyS0 is the one that i set a a getty on. ttyS1 if the serial port u just tried instead of the ttyUSB0 [16:35] and it does not work either using minicom [16:38] TeLLuS_ so ttyS1 and ttyUSB0 doesnt seems to work and i dont understand because i did that setup quite a few time on other linux and it just worked [16:38] I loaded and configured samba, but how do I get it to announce the service.. I still don't see a workgroup on the lan? [16:40] fbc-mx: It uses whatever the default broadcast address is. So if that's not defined, or the default gateway is for a different adapter than the one samba is configured to run on, the broadcasts don't get picked up by other boxes. [16:51] genii, k, thanks, I'll try to get that configured. === ssd7 is now known as Guest82180 [17:05] genii, It is still not announcing is there anything else I could check for?? My ubuntu machine is connected to the same switch. I and I can see other windows workgroups from it. I keep refreshing the screen to see if the new one comes up but it does not. [17:07] genii, there is WIndows ADC on the same lan. I don't know if that might be a problem. I'm using a completely different workgroup name from any others. [17:10] i have a server running gutsy. what do i need to do to bring it up to date? [17:13] anyone know a page detailing what exactly the difference in supported packages are for LTS releases in regards to "desktop" vs "server"? and by "supported" I mean the extended 3yr/5yr updates [17:16] fbc-mx: The domain controller may have something to do with it. What values are given in smb.conf for settings "domain master" and "os level" ? [17:18] ivoks, morning master :) [17:19] RoAkSoAx: hi :) [17:19] ivoks, how's it going? === Guest82180 is now known as ssd7 [17:21] fbc-mx: Apologies on lag, my workplace is fairly busy. [17:21] RoAkSoAx: lots of work to do [17:22] ivoks, packaging related or job? [17:23] RoAkSoAx: job :) [17:23] ivoks, where do you live? I though it was night for you [17:24] RoAkSoAx: it's 6PM [17:24] ivoks, Oh i see... it's 11.30 for me.. anyways.. when can we start with the mentorship process? [17:37] genii, I understand please standby as I've noticed an issue between gadmin-samba and samba itself.. Apparently gadmin-samba is using depreciated values. I may have to configure this by hand... [18:25] i only have lo and vnet0 when i do ifconfig, is that my ethernet card? [18:27] nope [18:28] oh poo :( [18:28] ethernet is ethX [18:29] vnet is from some kind of virtualization stack [18:29] vmware, libvirt, etc... [18:29] yeah, but it appears that my ethernet card isn't installed then [18:29] ivoks, btw... when can we start with the mentorship process? [18:30] RoAkSoAx: whenever you want :) [18:30] ivoks, i'm ready for action... [18:30] oh, i have to tell you to do something? :) [18:30] i have to check how the mentoring goes... [18:31] ivoks, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring Junior Mentirong [18:31] hehe thanks [18:32] ivoks, btw I've created #ubuntu-ha so we can work from there [18:32] n0ah: -a ? [18:32] oh... [18:33] RoAkSoAx: so, you would like to start on packaging? [18:34] ivoks, yes, though i have done merges and updates before [18:34] oh, great [18:34] phone [18:34] i do have little knowledge [18:34] k [18:34] anyone know a page detailing what exactly the difference in supported packages are for LTS releases in regards to "desktop" vs "server"? and by "supported" I mean the extended 3yr/5yr updates [18:35] RoAkSoAx: are there any merges you would like to do? [18:38] i have just updated a server, and it seemed to finish sucessfully, but lsb_release -a still says "Release: 8.04" [18:39] do-release-upgrade says "no release found" [18:39] rxMokka, I should do ifconfig -a? [18:39] what version am i running? [18:45] BCMM: how exactly did you update the server? [18:46] sudo do-release-upgrade [18:46] i was ssh'ed in; i know this is not advised but the machine has no screen [18:47] it prompted for reboot, and i said yes [18:47] (after editing menu.lst because it got the boot drive wrong) [18:48] Hey all [18:48] BCMM: and it started out as 8.04? [18:48] pmatulis, no i think it started out as gutsy [18:49] BCMM: so what's the problem? [18:49] isn't the current version 9.something? [18:50] BCMM: you upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04 [18:50] I thought I should try installing Xorg myself, starting with a new jaunty installation [18:50] it actually went quite OK [18:51] pmatulis, why doesn't it offer me 9.04? [18:51] BCMM: re current version, sure, but you can't leap over mulitple releases except for LTS-to-LTS === KnightWhoSaysNi is now known as BlackKnight [18:51] BCMM: you need to upgrade again, to 8.10 [18:51] but Now I'm having a problem with cwiid... or wminput. It crashes my X session when I push a button on the controller. Don't know how to approach this... Anyone care to help ? [18:51] pmatulis, ah, how is that done? [18:52] BCMM: and then again to 9.04 [18:52] BCMM: just like a frog jumping from one rock to another [18:52] although actually i may well decide to stick with the LTS as i'm not terribly keen on breaking this server [18:52] now that i understand that things haven't gone wrong [18:53] if i did decide to upgrade, how would i do it? [18:53] BCMM: that's a decent choice (LTS) [18:54] BCMM: what does the following command give you: [18:54] BCMM: $ grep Prompt /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades [18:54] that fits what i want, right? keep serving files, and get security updates as it has SSH open to the world [18:55] Anyone?? [18:55] http://pastebin.com/f320cd5d0 [18:55] pmatulis, Prompt=lts [18:55] BCMM: see? it's stuck on lts [18:55] BCMM: and that's by design [18:55] BCMM: edit the file so Prompt=normal (when you're ready to upgrade to 8.10) [18:56] pmatulis, i'll probably stick to lts [18:56] thanks though [18:56] BCMM: np [18:56] * pmatulis goes away === RoAk is now known as RoAkSoAx === TeLLuS_ is now known as TeLLuS [19:49] what is the command to restart network interface? [19:50] wizardslovak: $ sudo service networking restart [19:52] not trolling: for my small business (10 users) what is the advantage of going with ubuntu-server rather than debian? I'm torn here, and looking at a big time investment [19:53] jimcooncat: For me the switch from debian to ubuntu was the predictable LTS release cycles [19:54] jimcooncat: predictable release cycles, long term support, etc etc etc [19:55] during the time when debian was stalled for so long, that did make sense. But now? It seems the rise of ubuntu has jolted Debian into a more responsive mode, or maybe that's temporary? [19:55] maybe temporary you never know [19:56] are security updates quicker with ubuntu? only for main? [19:57] i would say no, both distro's are on the ball when it comes to critical security updates [19:58] what about technology differences? I'm interested in pxe, drbd, ha-linux, and kvm [19:58] with regards to release cycle and security, http://www.debian.org/security/faq#lifespan [19:58] basically there is no absolute defined timeline of support. [19:59] jimcooncat: all those things are available with Ubuntu [20:00] jimcooncat: although PXE is a hardware technology [20:01] thanks pmatulis, I meant userland tools for it. I remember long ago trying to netboot several flavors of ubuntu and debian, only to have one version of ubuntu actually install without glitches. [20:02] or maybe it was debootstrap, I could be disremembering [20:03] jimcooncat: best is to set up a Ubuntu system and test, that's the only way to really know [20:03] * pmatulis moves on [20:04] so being slow to upgrade (I get busy with other projects), perhaps LTS is safer for me [20:04] New bug: #371816 in postfix (main) "bug fixes,security updates fail to install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371816 [20:04] hello [20:05] how to add static ip > [20:07] wizardslovak: Thats a fairly vague question. Can you elaborate? [20:07] ok so i want for my new server to have static ip [20:08] wizardslovak: Will this static IP for inside the local area network, or for the internet? [20:08] New bug: #305030 in evince "Failed to print document - can't prompt for authorization (dup-of: 283811)" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/305030 [20:08] wizardslovak: are you getting ready to install now, or do you have a server set up on DHCP at the moment === ssd7 is now known as Guest37533 [20:08] jimcooncat: I wouldn't use anything other than LTS on a server unless there where absolute reasons to do so. Most of my servers are 6.06 and I'm happy knowing I wont have to bother upgrading them for another couple years. [20:08] i have /etc/network/interfaces open and i know netmask,network and gateway ip , but i cant find broadcast ip [20:08] this will be for LAN only [20:09] i am newbie and love to learn ubuntu server so this one is for study purposes [20:09] and they where 6.06 from the begining. I was in the same place as you deciding between debian and ubuntu a few years ago. [20:09] wizardslovak: If netmask is 255.255.255.0 then broadcast will be x.x.x.255 (where the x.x parts is the IP) [20:10] wizardslovak: If you have some other netmask, there is a formula to find which should be broadcast [20:10] anyone know a page detailing what exactly the difference in supported packages are for LTS releases in regards to "desktop" vs "server"? and by "supported" I mean the extended 3yr/5yr updates [20:11] stickystyle: that would be good for me. I guess I could try my original idea with hardy, unless there's tech that's not available. I'll be loading them up with preseed anyway, so if I have to switch to lenny it shouldn't be too hard to modify [20:11] New bug: #371765 in krb5 (main) "Please merge krb5 1.6.dfsg.4~beta1-13 (main) from Debian testing (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371765 [20:11] stickystyle: you mention knowing about upgrades... what do you know about when you'll be forced to upgrade? [20:13] rxMokka: my guess from what I've read is that anything based on x.org (about everything GUI) falls into the desktop category -- perhaps the CFS kernel as well [20:13] rxMokka: I know in 2010 I will begin to start migrating my infrastructure to the 10.X LTS release as in 2011 is when 6.06 will be EoL. [20:14] stickystyle: is that server EOL or desktop EOL? [20:14] rxMokka: server. [20:14] desktop 6.06 is eol this year if im not mistaken. [20:15] do we know yet, a packagelist of what will not recieve updates? [20:15] That came up on the server mailing list a little while back, let me see if I still have that thread. [20:15] I mean, is there a published list of what packages will become unsupported after destop-eol [20:16] rxMokka: If you get stuck for time, they just switch the url for the update. I've got a Edgy system at home, and just had to update sources.list. Of course, we shouldn't be so lazy... [20:16] rxMokka: but I doubt I'll ever see any security updates, so it's not good to get behind [20:17] jimcooncat: edgy and gutsy both are recieving no updates after EoL, updated files that were already made are still avail in the renamed repo urls, but nothing new [20:25] thanks all. I'll be back next week when I get stuck! Oh yeah, I do thing community spirit here is +++ [20:43] stickystyle: any luck with that ML thread? [20:48] rxMokka: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/ubuntu-server.dapper/server [20:48] from https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2007-July/000541.html [20:50] ah lovely! [20:50] thanks stickystyle [20:50] np [20:50] does the ==from desktop== section in the server seed, mean that those also will recieve the 5yr update terms? [20:50] *= From desktop = [20:50] That is what I understand. [20:51] perfect [20:51] Although I'm not a dev or anyone with commit privileges, so don't take my word as absolute. [20:52] damn shame that my sshd and httpd are going to lose support so early though :( [20:52] ssh and apache2 are on there. [20:53] yea [20:53] I use dropbear and lighttpd though [20:53] ah. [20:54] LTS should reduce the workload of patching enough though, that I can maintain my own updates to those two [20:55] Very true. It's not that hard to backport things anyways, I backport bacula-fd from jaunty to my 6.06 boxes. Then just rebuild when an update comes out. [20:56] easier to backport an upstream release, than it is to backport an update to an upstream release heh [20:57] my intent is to backport only code patches that fix security issues, inorder to guarantee functional compatibility [20:58] hi guys. so i wanted to find out when mysqld_safe is running, what might be triggering a SIGHUP to it that's getting trapped and forcing the restart? (wrg to bug 326768) [20:58] Launchpad bug 326768 in mythbuntu "mysqld_safe thinks mysqld has crashed when it hasn't" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/326768 [20:58] Keeping with the debian/ubuntu way is the best way. unfortunality I *need* the newer version of bacula :( [20:59] at least from my test on a system constantly reproducing it, dropping that trap fixes the problem, but i'm not sure it has a useful purpose. and if it does - why hasn't that patch from debian landed upstream? [21:01] thanks again for the links stickystyle, just what I was looking for [21:07] How do you install the "wget" on Ubuntu-Server? I'm more familiar with Red Hat distros...:( [21:08] kirkland: you're here? [21:12] Speedy059: "sudo aptitude install wget" [21:17] kirkland, is bochsbios-qemu still in the archives? [21:24] RoAkSoAx: doesn't appear to be, looks like it may have been superseded by bochsbios package [21:25] jbernard, that's what i also think, but qemu in jaunty still has it as build depends... anyways I was about to remove it from there [21:26] New bug: #371876 in samba (main) "package samba 2:3.3.2-1ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371876 [21:27] blizzkid: howdy [21:27] RoAkSoAx: i would suspect the bochsbios-qemu could safely removed from qemu's builddeps [21:28] jbernard, thanks :) [21:28]