| tormod | (I love that Firefox tells me it is an OLD file.) | 00:01 |
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| tormod | virtuald: would you mind reporting it on bugs.freedesktop.org ? | 00:04 |
| tormod | virtuald: you should try to get a "full backtrace", see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Backtracing | 00:05 |
| virtuald | i really should sleep | 00:10 |
| virtuald | lets try something | 01:01 |
| virtuald | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21535 | 02:30 |
| ubottu | Freedesktop bug 21535 in Driver/Radeon "X crashes with SIGSEGV in xf86_reload_cursors() with SWcursor" [Normal,New] | 02:30 |
| mnemo | bryce: ping? | 14:13 |
| mnemo | is this supposed to work or am I doing something wrong? --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/371774 | 19:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 371774 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[G45] i915.modeset=1 causes black screen instead of gdm (UXA)" [Undecided,New] | 19:11 |
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| Duke` | I have the same issue | 19:22 |
| Duke` | but I read somewhere that there was some things to setup with kernel modules before it could work | 19:23 |
| mnemo | ah, can you try to find the url again? | 19:23 |
| mnemo | i really would like to try out kms | 19:23 |
| Sarvatt | debian fixed that in initramfs-tools | 19:26 |
| Sarvatt | if you're building your own kernel, just enable KMS by default and boot with nomodeset when you dont want to use it | 19:26 |
| Duke` | mnemo: I searched about it few days ago, and I don't really remember, but it has to do with initramfs yes | 19:27 |
| Sarvatt | it works fine on the ubuntu 2.6.30-2-3-generic just by adding options i915 modeset=1 to /etc/modprobe.d/whatever.conf | 19:27 |
| Duke` | Sarvatt: or by adding i915.modeset=1 to kernel parameter line, in grub/menu.lst? | 19:27 |
| Sarvatt | no that doesnt work until initramfs-tools gets updated.. | 19:28 |
| Sarvatt | at least for me | 19:28 |
| mnemo | Sarvatt: so how can I try it today on ubuntu? | 19:28 |
| Sarvatt | install 2.6.30-2-3, sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/i915.conf | 19:30 |
| Sarvatt | options i915 modeset=1 | 19:30 |
| Sarvatt | put that in it, and reboot | 19:30 |
| mnemo | Sarvatt: thanks man | 19:31 |
| Sarvatt | or you can just build KMS by default in your own kernel | 19:31 |
| Sarvatt | and if you dont want to use it for some reason boot with nomodeset on the grub command line | 19:31 |
| mnemo | i also found this --> http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting | 19:32 |
| mnemo | would it be sufficient to run this: | 19:32 |
| mnemo | update-initramfs -k `uname -r` -u | 19:32 |
| mnemo | or do I need a new kernel for sure? | 19:32 |
| Sarvatt | that just rebuilds an initramfs.. | 19:32 |
| mnemo | ok | 19:32 |
| Sarvatt | ah sorry just opened it up | 19:33 |
| Sarvatt | I'm pretty sure that requires the updated initramfs-tools | 19:33 |
| mnemo | ok, well I guess they have that in debian then | 19:34 |
| Sarvatt | http://git.debian.org/?p=kernel/initramfs-tools.git;a=summary | 19:34 |
| Sarvatt | we're on 0.92 | 19:34 |
| mnemo | right and we need this commit? --> http://git.debian.org/?p=kernel/initramfs-tools.git;a=commit;h=652423c6f5b636f95899254aba213d417caff158 | 19:35 |
| Sarvatt | dont think thats it, have you tried whats on that wiki? that might end up working without any updates | 19:38 |
| mnemo | i'll try it | 19:39 |
| Sarvatt | it didnt work for me last i tried it but that was in jaunary, i've been enabling KMS by default every kernel since | 19:39 |
| mnemo | well it sort of worked actually | 19:43 |
| mnemo | it brings up gdm and X in 4:3 on my widescreen | 19:43 |
| mnemo | if I vt switch to F1 then I get graphics corruption | 19:44 |
| mnemo | then if I go back to CTRL-ALT-F7 it goes back to normal again | 19:44 |
| Sarvatt | ah nice, sorry about that, i saw the update in initramfs-tools but didnt actually read what it did lol | 19:47 |
| Sarvatt | well not nice you get VT corruption | 19:47 |
| Sarvatt | what intel packages are you using? | 19:48 |
| mnemo | x-updates | 19:48 |
| Sarvatt | try xorg-edgers, there were a bunch of fixes for that since 2.7.0 | 19:48 |
| mnemo | ah good idea | 19:48 |
| Sarvatt | get the drm too if you arent adding the repo, one of the post 2.4.9 libdrm updates was related to VT corruption | 19:53 |
| mnemo | ok | 19:53 |
| Sarvatt | the latest libdrm/mesa/-intel stack on edgers is a real winner for me, i havent been able to use UXA stable since december until 3 days ago | 19:56 |
| mnemo | in jaunty final UXA is better than EXA for me (on G45)... in EXA glxgears leaves repaint dirt when you move the window and also EXA is slower etc | 19:59 |
| mnemo | Sarvatt: whats the difference between drm-snapshot "2.4.9+git20090502.68103b27-0ubuntu0sarvatt" and the one with "r1" in the version number? | 20:00 |
| mnemo | wait, one of them is for karmic... | 20:01 |
| mnemo | is that the only difference then? | 20:01 |
| Sarvatt | get the karmic one if you're on karmic, the jaunty one replaces linux-libc-dev drm headers because jaunty has old ones | 20:01 |
| mnemo | ok | 20:02 |
| Sarvatt | exa is 2x faster than UXA for me on a 945GME, theres no more EXA though now in intel drivers :( UXA used to crash whenever I used firefox or ran glxgears in the background of another app | 20:05 |
| Sarvatt | thats just glxgears speed though, actual 3d benchmarks arent that much different at all | 20:05 |
| Duke` | Sarvatt: but you fixed your problem with glxgears/firefox/UXA, right? | 20:06 |
| Sarvatt | yup! | 20:06 |
| Sarvatt | plus mesa 7.6 gets me 120fps more in glxgears in uxa vs 7.4.1, 7.4.x really was a dud lol | 20:08 |
| mnemo | nice | 20:09 |
| bryce | Sarvatt: glxgears? | 20:14 |
| Sarvatt | yeah I know, just swap buffer performance :D openarena went up 7 FPS too | 20:16 |
| bryce | ah, good | 20:19 |
| Sarvatt | the 120fps glxgears increase is a more than 50% increase for me is why I was saying its good | 20:20 |
| bryce | yeah, but even increases in glxgears numbers does not always correlate with better performance | 20:34 |
| bryce | and decreases don't always correlate with reduced performance | 20:34 |
| bryce | I should just disable the fps output of that command | 20:34 |
| mnemo | we should give people a real benchmarking tool which is as easy to use as glxgears | 20:34 |
| * bryce nods | 20:35 | |
| bryce | I would think games would be easy enough... | 20:35 |
| mnemo | different commands to enable FPS printing in different games... also different levels have different complexity etc so its less comparable... | 20:38 |
| bryce | true | 20:38 |
| mnemo | it should be super repeatable... and it should have windows version so we can benchmark against that later on | 20:38 |
| bryce | phoronix? | 20:38 |
| bryce | what's 'windows'? | 20:38 |
| mnemo | I mean we should benchmark our progress compared to Windows 7 drivers etc | 20:39 |
| mnemo | the target needs to be to beat them of course | 20:39 |
| mnemo | phoronix is a good step forward, but I'd like something simpler, more repeatable still.. | 20:40 |
| mnemo | Sarvatt: vt switch gives me corruption on 2.6.99 as well :( and I did the full xorg-egers so I got the libdrm fix as well I guess | 20:41 |
| Sarvatt | dang, was worth a shot at least. | 20:46 |
| albert23 | mnemo: do you have the fbcon module loaded? | 20:46 |
| mnemo | albert23: no why do you wonder? I got these loaded --> http://pastebin.com/f6c4707c7 | 20:47 |
| albert23 | mnemo: then make sure to load fbcon | 20:47 |
| mnemo | ok thanks I will try it | 20:48 |
| bryce | uff, heh, just ran into another report of performance change evidenced only by glxgears numbers | 20:52 |
| bryce | k, that's gotta go. | 20:53 |
| bryce | gone | 20:59 |
| bryce | heya michaellarabel | 21:01 |
| michaellarabel | Hi bryce | 21:01 |
| mnemo | i threw in fbcon in /etc/modules now and it works... I get a KMS vt on CTRL-ALT-F1 ... however, a few seconds after that xorg SEGV'd --> http://pastebin.com/m72073d94 | 21:10 |
| bryce | mnemo: dunno, a full backtrace would be more interesting | 21:11 |
| bryce | not sure what aperture space is, but sounds like it doesn't have enough of it or something | 21:12 |
| mnemo | aperture is the memory that intel shares with the CPU i think | 21:12 |
| mnemo | anyway, I will see if I can repro this and file a good bug on it | 21:13 |
| bryce | thanks | 21:13 |
| mnemo | bryce: it would be neat with an official guide on how to test KMS on ubuntu... right now I felt like I did some stuff without really understanding what I was doing... so im not entirely sure its "supposed" to work on this config | 21:13 |
| bryce | mnemo: btw, I notice a lot of people use ppracer as a second choice for fps measurements... think that's more sane? | 21:13 |
| bryce | maybe we could just recommend that to everyone, to get more consistent measurements | 21:14 |
| mnemo | bryce: oh, i've never tried that.. sounds better than glxgears though | 21:14 |
| mnemo | yea | 21:14 |
| bryce | mnemo: yes, that's a really good idea, would you be willing to help me draft it? | 21:14 |
| tormod | yey -ati finally has exa by default upstream! | 21:14 |
| mnemo | bryce: sure.. I will post it mailing list later | 21:14 |
| bryce | ok cool, I'll figure out a good spot in the wiki to put it | 21:15 |
| tormod | ppracer? I tried etracer and it was much slower - I guess it uses more features | 21:16 |
| bryce | what's etracer? | 21:18 |
| bryce | ultimately I suspect we may really need multiple tools that exercise different aspects of performance | 21:19 |
| bryce | but coding such a thing is well beyond my time availability | 21:19 |
| jcristau | "when you're bored with ppracer, use OA" | 21:19 |
| mnemo | "[note: this is an automated message] dear bug reporter, please collect 10 fish in tuxracer and then attach your xorg.log to this bug report. thank you." | 21:21 |
| bryce | :-) | 21:22 |
| tormod | etracer = extreme tux racer, next generation of planet penguin racer | 21:23 |
| tormod | I think ppracer has stalled, and only etracer is worked on | 21:23 |
| bryce | wonder if it'd be feasible to automate the 10 fish collection | 21:23 |
| mnemo | :) | 21:23 |
| bryce | does ppracer have a benchmark mode? I know some games have that, and it'd make results more comparable | 21:23 |
| bryce | tormod: actually that's good... if we're going to use it for benchmarking we don't want the fps to improve just because of game code changes | 21:24 |
| tormod | bryce: true. just that etracer makes the driver/card work harder (I think) | 21:25 |
| michaellarabel | bryce: ppracer isn't much of a good test since it will not build on x86_64 and has other problems | 21:36 |
| jcristau | not build on x86_64? | 21:38 |
| michaellarabel | IIRC, the last released version of ppracer will not build on x86_64 or had other x86_64 issues. | 21:38 |
| jcristau | sounds fixable.. | 21:39 |
| michaellarabel | true, though etracer seems to replace ppracer and that has proper x86_64 support. | 21:39 |
| bryce | hmm, I was able to install and launch it on amd64 | 21:50 |
| bryce | although I wouldn't say it worked. also messed up dual-head. but it played music and stuff | 21:50 |
| jcristau | libsdl probably talks xf86vidmode, which doesn't quite like randr. | 21:51 |
| bryce | someone really ought to fix that ;-) | 21:52 |
| michaellarabel | World of Padman is one of my favorite tests that uses ioquake3 and works with the current Mesa stack. | 21:53 |
| bryce | michaellarabel: short of phoronix, do you know of a simple glxgears-class tool/game/test people could run? | 21:53 |
| pwnguin | bryce: what are you looking to indicate? | 21:54 |
| pwnguin | relative 3d performance? | 21:54 |
| pwnguin | or just the presence of accelleration at all? | 21:54 |
| michaellarabel | There's lots of good ones... On Jaunty you can just do: sudo apt-get install phoronix-test-suite and experiment :) say then, phoronix-test-suite benchmark ioquake3-games to see how well all of the different ioquake3 games run | 21:54 |
| bryce | pwnguin: relative 3d perf | 21:55 |
| pwnguin | ioquake3 is at least a close approximation of modern games usage | 21:55 |
| pwnguin | ie, has textures | 21:55 |
| pwnguin | and geometry | 21:55 |
| Sarvatt | something short would probably be good, darn openarena benchmark takes a good 10 minutes per run | 21:55 |
| bryce | yeah, I imagine the users we need to convert have an attention span of maybe 30 sec | 21:56 |
| pwnguin | you'd be surprised | 21:56 |
| pwnguin | windows gamers slave over framerates | 21:57 |
| Sarvatt | well it runs 3 times by default in phoronix so it adds up :D | 21:57 |
| bryce | ok, certainly they're obsessive... | 21:57 |
| michaellarabel | Sarvatt: It runs multiple times in PTS for accuracy | 21:57 |
| pwnguin | 3dmark takes easily 10 minutes | 21:57 |
| michaellarabel | Unigine Tropics is beautiful, but good luck getting that to work with Mesa. | 22:01 |
| virtuald | note to self: monitors didn't wake standby, gdm showed flying donuts after reboot | 23:14 |
| wgrant | jcristau: Did you notice that the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics source was auto-decrufted from unstable a week after you uploaded it? | 23:31 |
| jcristau | wgrant: i didn't, but dato did. there's an ftp.d.o bug about that. | 23:31 |
| jcristau | bugs.debian.org/526078 | 23:32 |
| wgrant | jcristau: Thanks. That had me very confused for a while. | 23:32 |
| * jcristau just pinged that bug | 23:33 | |
| jcristau | thanks for the reminder :) | 23:33 |
| wgrant | jcristau: I'm glad you finally did the rename. | 23:33 |
| jcristau | we just got xf86-video-omapfb to compensate for taht | 23:35 |
| jcristau | that, even | 23:35 |
| wgrant | Heh. | 23:36 |
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